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what in the diabolical fuck is this
i dont pay attention to talents and even i know thats cooked
based
yeh yeh
real true bleed build, no deathmark so u dont have to worry about not having deathmark for bosses
Windows license not even activated in gif lmao
that's almost believable
based ttb enjoyer
lemme run this in a 14
murlok will gobble it up
wait i gotta add tea
will post results
whenever zeross logs out in subtlety
his listing disappears in assassination
and appears in sub again
it makes me sad when i dont see zeross in the sin murlok tab
absolutely no poison build just focuses on bleed dmg and no need to worry about deathmark on cd anymore !
very big big bleed dmg!
it can work in ToP but not in very high keys
deathmark doesn't caustic and no aoe so you don't need deathmark

hmm if im gonna be a sub 17 key enjoyer
bleed should work everywhere right
i can just full send it bleed build everywhere
yeah
exactly !
no dps loss in removing slow poison too in that build
just play numbing + instant poison
deadly poison is bad because its dots
u need instant for instant dmg
people will check my mainhand dagger
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3k extra shadow damage for a 658 dagger is diabolical
i have adopted the boomer circle cursor
Should be increased by lingering darkness though
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Wait
If youre sub yes
hah im beating u all
Not thatโs the sub one
I have done 5 keys this week after uncapping
il be at 680 or 679 if my maths was right
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i think ive done no less than 20
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fk farming
the children yearn for the mines
truly a based farmer
footage of nooj in his 12's
the potatos are the randoms in lfg
helping potatos one dungeon at a time
this was my friend malding yesterday about some sub rogue that was in the group greifing
LOL
think he was trying his best
I am a rogue noob. What poisons should I be running in raid/m+
You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:
Lethals:
- Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
Non-Lethals: - Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB
Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used
depends on your build
as assassination always deadly poison plus maybe atrophic or mind numbing
The ones you talent into 
if you got dragon tempered potions
then amp/deadly/atro/crippling
only combat and sub use instant poison
you can just forget instant poison even exists as a sin main
*outlaw
Okay I was doing it right. I am just bad and my rotation is ass.
whats your rotation
wowhead has a good list on how to always open from stealth
after that is just about maintaining dots
if you get whispyrs weakaura display
it tracks everything you need to know
and his plater thing so u know whats ruptured and bleeding
also depends what build exactly your eplaying
if youre playing bleed build always maintain bleeds and dots on targets
its always your #1 priority
then you spam mutilate and envenom in the filler in between
Ambush, mutilate to 5+, garrote, rupture, mutilate to 5+ envenom, (big 1.5min CD I forget the name ๐ซฃ) shiv, kingsbane, envenom at max... repeat.
Something like that
mutilate OUT OF STEALTH?
noooooo
you want to be using your improved garotte and spread the bleed
it will help to see what your tlaent page looks like first
before we can start commenting
I meant that
can u post a screenshot
Does improved garrote hit max stacks if only 1 combo point is available out of stealth?
Can't atm, at work.
i dont know if youre talented into it but theres a talent that will refund you combo points once you rupture in the stealth opener window
so you can foreseeably ambush out of stealth and if yorue near max
rupture and then rupture again
then you use the improved garrote
until max
then ruptreu once again
then crimson tempest
and then after that ensure bleeds are always on the upkeep and that they dont fall off
the opener in aoe is (ambush if no DN) garrote garrote rupture rupture garrote garrote mutilate envenom > CD's
max stacks of what exactly?
no crimson tempest?
this is heresy
Combo points is what I meant.
oh
surely crimson tempest before any envenoms
yeh no, it's just 3cp from stealth
yea true CT first
idk you can answer this by referencing the wowhead ability priority list
and the opener graphic
So stealth, ambush, garrote x2, rupture x2, CT, envenom rotation until DN, then CD rotation with Shiv/Kingsbane? Keeping bleeds up?
yeah
i mean you can either use the wowhead opener guide
or if youre too lazy to do that
download hekili and watch it as youre in gameplay
BUT the downside
you WILL be tunnelvisioned on hekili as a bad habit
so its better to actually learn the rotation
and why youre doing it
youre doing the garrotes to spread the bleed
and youre doing the double rupture as priority to spread bleed as soon as you can
Hekili likes to throw up thistle tea and other things that auto go off.
I don't like it.
you just have to remember as a bleed build your #1 priority is to keep spreading bleeds and have maximum bleed upkeep on targets
theres some nuances where you do want to manually pop thistle tea
which is what i think hekili would be trying to calculate for
but thats very minmaxy
I need to practice on a target dummy
So bleed isn't used in high keys? Too bad it's so easy to play.
I have to learn another rotation/spec for higher keys ๐ซ ?
Whew
When should I be using vanish? With death mark?
id thinkt hats context dependent
on a boss fight or raid boss i think yes vanish for deathmark
but in a mythic dungeon overall you will want to use vanish to reapply bleeds if necessary
when tank is doing efficient method of chainpulling
Okay. Vanish and remembering the 2nd shiv during Deathmark are my biggest issues
!up
Does ilvl correlate to the M+ dungeon you should be capable of doing?
Vaguely
no cause if you don't know any mechanics or how to play your spec ilvl means nothing, ilvl allows you to make more mistakes
Did some 12s with a 635 ilvl healer last night
people were doings 10s week 1 with like 645 ilvl
So I am really bad ๐ฉ
first step is understanding you need to make improvements lol
Are you playing with four clones of yourself though
The only time ilvl really matters is when there are one shot mechanics that your low ilvl hp canโt survive
I donโt think any thereโs really a situation where you can live but not do enough damage to time
Unless all 3 dps are very very bad
Or your tank does some crazy one pack at a time route
Well I appreciate the tips, I will try and practice in lower m+ dungeons
i can confirm
you are able to rat and roach +13's while at 640 ilvl as a shadow priest
if your mage friend and hunter friend are pumping
your sole purpose is to dispel wings off the paladins in priory
and give PI to the hunter that desperately needs haste
downside is a sacred toll will 100% oneshot you
do people still do nerub-ar for content
or ttransmogs
the k'areshi set looke dpretty nice
idk probably
curse me and not playing rogue last season to get the ful mythic outfit
dw you only have to wait 2 expansions to have a good chance of getting it
tomb of sargeras?
yeah ive been trying to farm that set like mad
fanged slayer
im short shoulders and gloves i think
which are the most important pieces
well shoulders
not so much gloves
but also the sargeras sets are all just lazy rehashes of everything in burning crusade
fanged slayer after 20 years STILL HAS THE HAIR CLIPPING ISSUE on the helm
blizzard small indie company
true
ive also been tring to farm the black temple for hte og slayer set
but i keep getting mad unlucky
i think of all the visual updates
warlock had the best
the malefic stuff
Okay doing a key on assassination, I understand why you guys enjoy it lol
Lots of bleeds everywhere
can someone help me with a m+ talents and raid talents ? having hard time figuring out some parts?
bleed enjoyer
mythic just copy wowheads bleed build
and spread bleeds
for raids im not sure
just copypasta the wowhead raid build too and send it
m+ i have done that, but raids i have been lacking cause idk if i should still get arterial percision for example even on more single target fights
should get arterial precision on every fight except sprocketmonger
it probably matters less in raids coz you can blame your raidmates for not doing their job
im simming like 1.8mil dmg but i see some sim 4 mil i dont know if its a taalent issue or gear cause my gear is 652 with stats mostly correct ยจ7
sorry for ''being noob'' appreciate the help ๐
oooh
If jastor diamond and myth priory signet sim the same, which should I take?
the one you think is shinier I guess
Im assuming diamond bc priory sig could be house of cards
sure
so its like 2 potential vault hits rather than 1
Although Im not sure if myth rings outpace heroic jastor?
they do not
does the dungeon slice sim have you drop combat at any point?
frequently yes
is 7% haste way to low?
if it sims the best for you then no
we don't have any breakpoints or stat values to hit
secondaries are a wash
im at 8% and i dont have any issues
what if i start stacking versatility and mastery
sounds like pvp gear.
or just go sub
When do i replace cyrces? is it just a never angle cause its perma beating every ring i sim
Hey, I only do m+. Trying to decide between brew neck (from vault) or just upgrading my crafting one. I've simmed it. Crafted one is bigger upgrade for dungeon slice (raidbots) while cinderbrew neck is bigger for patchwerk. Basically question is, is it ever good to prioritise single target? Or if I am only an m+ player, should I just focus on whatever sims higher for dungeon slice
for mythics aoe is almost always superior
sim 5 target patchwerk dungeon slice is ass
its why bleed build is the best until you get to like 17
??????????
you fell for the bait
just sim dungeonslice
whispyr i thought my training arc with u taught u not to get jebaited
ok thanks ๐
U know what else is ass
or are you talking about a heroic neckpiece
cooked
bro out here all cheeked up
also generally it can be replaced with jastor + myth track ring
some people can replace it with jastor + crafted
!chainpull
Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:
- For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
- Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
- Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
- Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
- Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
- You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
Now that i'm basically capped on gear in raid, I will now focus on making a secondary set for m+
why'd you need a different set for M+ as Assa?
less haste I guess
@balmy condor can u tell me what gear i should get or craft next
i can either recraft cape boots and offhand tonight with my 100 crests
or i could craft a 681 ring from scratch
or bracers from scratch i guess
yeah
i mean
realistically in the end il have recrafted my offpieces and also have the ring
otherwise it's just ilvl on your bracer/belt/cloak I guess
but i guess whats mor eimportant right now is the question
probably the ring
im prayging my vault is either going to be a bracer belt or shoulder
or even pants
othewrise im prob gonna have to SAD my helm
what should my details spread look like at end of dungeon
depends on the build
then it should be ct/rup/sang top 3
followed by gar/caustic/envenom
sudden demise in there somewhere maybe
but you can't really control that
okay im ct/rup/gar/env/sang/sud/caus... so way off lol
if youre pugging groups in mythics
if pulls are huge you might want to prio caustic more
your gameplay is going to be super dependent on tank and healer
i dont think you really have much agency over it
like if tank lets u stealth or does really racist pulls
okay so i need to get a mouseover macro for gar then because fuck tab targeting or clicking
its completly out of your control
yea i need to go nelf to get extra stealth at this point lol

what level dungeons are you doing atm
he said he did a 9
caustic is one is fine or spread them like bleeds
"limit 1"
okay so just keep that going always then
i dont think you need a mouseover garrote macro
you always have it on your prio target
is ret pally dmg kinda fuckin bonkers or is it just me
and you just slam envenoms into it
are you manually applying the normal garote on mouseover?
that would be too minmaxy shit
feel like WA packages track so much and not the actual useful stuff like i really only need to keep an eye on 3 things, rest is out of my control
just garote the target ur punching
the priority is having rupture uptime
as a 9key enjoyer myself
just tell ur tank to stop fuckin around
garrote punch the main target isnt bad but yea i thought min max was to get the 3 new ones every cast
hey im working my way up the ladder lol 9 for now
it's VERY min max
the imrpoved garote spreader is only for when ur out of stealth window
you only need the normal garote on your punching target
you don't even get more garrotes outside of very specific target counts
just keep ruptures up and youll be fine
i promise
rupture and crimson tempest way more important than spreading the shitter garrote
*rupture
fuck
i cant type
i need my afternoon coffee
stroke
okay so garrote just to get the initial then rupture spread
like if you have 7 targets, it doesn't matter if you swap or not, you're always gonna double tap something
rupture you just hit 2-3 times
you want 5 for scent
rest is whatever
you can realistically unga bunga your way to +15 keys
okay yea i was seeing that explained in shindig vid about scent
and not really need to minmax anything
i dont even think about my gameplay and i get through content
shindig good
well i just like doing it for fun lol
good lad
whispyr hates me
like why not learn the ins and outs of class
too much reading i just want to unga bunga
mouseover kick
my kick macro does both mouseover or on target
thats all you really need
last season ther ewas that one train boss where the miniboss would fly away
and you had to kick it
that one i specifically made a focus shadowstep+kick macro
most mistakes on assa are people overthinking things and either hesitating or inventing their own reality where they come up with min-maxes that don't exist
but other than that i dont think it really matters
and that shadowstep kick was only coz my friends were trolling hard and not kicking
so its not even really needed as a rogue
lmao thank you for knocking me down, so just stab and spread the bleeds and let the blades do the work
precisely
think less
just do
unga bunga
yup
the best way to succeed is an empty mind
okay so i need a new spotify playlist then
legit just keep dots on as many targets as you can and stay above 50% energy
= big dam
okay thats easy
bleed build has questionable single target damage tho
im finding it difficult to do over 1.6m single
granted im not using potions or flasks
coz thats too expensive
yea single target is a roller coaster it seems
like woot we got deathmark and vanish
then sad days
Idk man proc blindside more
ok ill make sure
Just never be in a ST situation. If the take won't pull packs onto the boss its a direct attack on your person and illegal.
Help your tank avoid breaking the law with tricks
They will thank you
boss fights you cant really help it tho
like a single target pure boss like rookery
im eating shit all 3 bosses
Never zone into rookery
but in the aoe pulls i nuke my friends in dps

i need to 15 all my keys
i still got a long way to go
I mean rookery its easy to have trash on boss 1 and boss 2
yeah but who actually wants to do rookery
YOU CAN DO IT MAN
ITS JUST A FILTHY GRIND
PUTTING YOURSELF THROUGH THE GUTTER
WITH HUMANS AND NON-HUMANS ALIKE
AND YOU WILL FEEL BAD WHILE DOING IT, MISERABLE EVEN
BUT THE SATISFACTION IN THE END
WILL not be worth it
Shoulda capitalized not
somebody mentioned non-humans and here I am. How can I ruin your key?
bro's into ruin tech srsly
!up
on a bus and kinda bored, how do you execute the switch to sub in rookery after 2nd (?) boss the most effectively? you just like port to dornogal/rookery tp whatever and then back in after swapping and you have to run all the way back to the jump from the start of 2nd area into potential parasol skip? is that the best way or surely its done an other way or.
not doing higher than 16 on rogue next so can just stay assa all the way but just curious
sub does feel lovely on that last boss doe.
yeah safe I see
which classes & specs have the best synergies with assa?
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is there a sudden demise highscore weakaura of some sort
i want one like the outlaw crackshot highscore wa lol maybe ill try making it
My 33 was on the first big dude there as well, I wasn't even fishing for it it just kind of happened
yeah hes a good target for a demisemaxxx
It was my first key after the ilvl upgrade so I didn't think he'd melt that fast
Dude fucking popped
i'm new to assasination came from aff lock lol, but do i need to press mutilate if ambush is available or if blindside procs?
mutilate automatically turns into ambush if blindside procs
you need to press ambush from stealth
which you can just put on your stealth bar in the same place mutilate is
oh so in stealth or while stealth abilities remain i shouldnt ever press mutilate?
should just press ambush instead yes
oh god ๐ฆ
from which point and after we need augments for mythic+ what key level
How you get such high demise numbers?
play sub optimally lol
I had demise pop on the last boss on rookery the other day after his shield had come up
That felt nice
kind of new to sin- how does deathstalkers mark work if you need to apply it to a new target and don't have vanish?
You have to run it down on the current target (or have the current target die) or restealth
yeh, typically have to move it with darkest night
you can't apply it mid fight without darkest night or stealth is what i'm understanding?
correct
ty
Basically you want to refresh all your bleeds when the mob gets low and hit a 5 man ct on it while your dm is also running. But youโre probably gonna have to burn vanish for that and itโs not always optimal
And bosh a shiv in too for good measure
wdym forcing the 150% overkill protection to appear sooner by throwing out CDs is not optimal 
It isnโt. But it is super fun lol
It's fine I run 12s, I can afford a bit of unethical play in a 12
Same
on the group of 4 gaols on myth mugzee, do we just go in and do our best? or should we not be in there either?
Who else is gonna go in if you're not?
My job for that is kicking, and doing as much damage as I can (knowing it's not a lot)
are you assinged to go into one
I believe so
If you're assigned, go in and hit the add. Kicks are probably assigned aswell. If not, you're most likely assigned to the immune soak
we atleast have everyone assigned to gaols on the last set so just gotta bite the bullet and go in and do some stuff
aye aye, just send what I can
well you can also be assigned to go in and then if youre not a void elf and are immune soaking you just have to be highest assigned prio on the 2 around the boss
they all work, just depends on your comp
immune this

scratch that, I'm on immune soak / out
Don't the immune people still go in?
That's what we did at least.
Like one of the gaols is just guaranteed getting hit by the rocket
I'm being told to bail at the end yeah, so take the hit and fuck off
or getting tugged by a holy man
like my childhood
Hi guys, switched to assassi for the last few bosses of mythic after playing sub most of the season due to it being stronger on important parts of the fights.
Just downed bandit and moving on to mugzee, are there any fight specific tips for assassi on the final two bosses?
Honestly just get rupture snipes on adds throughout the fight and you'll have a LOT of energy, other than that just enjoy splattering on the gooners
I'd never immune that 
Idk we rescued/ gripped people that we didn't need in the cages. Most people don't bother now
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ok so, believe it or not, assa is quite shrimple
you hit boss
and like
the spec.. is that shrimple.. you have automatic aoe
youre gonna spatter adds
do rupture sniping
!rup
!snipe
idk
check pin
idk those 2 bosses are quite literally follow boss do button presses
get 1-2 mechanic maybe

shrimple
im here even though i quit
I'm here for the cat thread
u didnt quit,u are a monk
ive quite literally quit the game !
catbois*
yeah thats what uld expect from monks doing ascetic life

im happy for u btw
im gonna try mage for a bit or hpally pvp
if that fails im unsubbing
monk is fun asf though
cant tell,never played
can say for mage though
Mfking OP AF
rava !
u exist,they deepthroat u coz u do
c'est incroyable!
we all love quak
yurh
i know you listen to french music
what are some french rappers i might like
i like foreign music that unintelligible
oh baguettes in the chat
it depends what type of rap you listen to
musik
!tricks
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
monk is fun until you press SEF and blizz tells you to go fuck yourself

freeze corleone, vald, bu$hi, laylow, hamza, sch, these are my fav french guys i think
i can tell you that myself
First 2 damso album, rest is trash he is washed up
very opinionated
its objectively correct

Yeah they quite good
I'm using scrub mommy
there is a scrub mommy too
it has a cute bow
they have also made a scrub for bbqs too i think
Yeah, it has two sides
lol
I saw these at my Costco last month, didn't get them cause I don't rly bbq/grill.
I'm using the bbq daddy under the shower
wait wtf, theres a kit
Yeah, a big multi-piece bundle at Costco too
I'm using hekili to help learn my rotation but why does it keep telling me to use FOK? I almost never used that before. What am I missing about that ability?
You mean in AOE or ST?
AOE
It's your CP generator for AOE, when it crits it gives you more combo points
so you use it over multiate
Also gets poisons on multiple targets
Yes, there is a Mutilate vs Fan of Knives section on the Wowhead guide where you have comparison on how many targets u use it depending on talents
Worth a read
!fok
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
what would be the best sim config for m+ with the bleed build ? dungeon slice or some other setting (patchwerk x targets)
Dungeon slice
The big thing is seal fate procs per crit, so the more targets you have, the more you crit, the more combo points you get with every fan of knives
The damage is whatever, poisons are worthless
But combo points? Very valuable
guys you still runing the cyrces ring ? or does 681 or 684 rings surpass it
ive seen a lot pro rogues going 681 and jastor diamond
Stamina?
what you mean
Just run a sim of it
oke
Some people are finding that they can replace circlet with 684 rings, some can't
Varies character to character so just sim it
It just depends gear
y true
Or combination of gear
I mean, maybe no ring is an upgrade by replacing just the circe
But taking 2 heavy mastery ring could be betetr than your current ring + circe
I actually have this at home
!wa
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Yo
I got question for m+ assa roguue biiiiiiig pull
You open like classic way until your 12 second of carnage is done.
At this moment on big pull (10+ mob), do you vanish do put more garrot/rupture or do you engage your rotation knife/evenom
I feel im doing more dps do not vanish and knife/evenom
Idk, like first pull on rookery
I've never done rookery
But if you have 10+ mobs you can easily garrote/rupture by tabing to new targets so you always spread 3 and not 2
Thats not my question royal
If your dots haven't expired yet, I wouldn't vanish to reapply
As bleed build I just Amb - Gar - Rupt - rupt - gar -gar - ct - mut - md - shiv - vanish -and refreesh dot
So I have crit buff for DM + Refreshing pandemic garrote
Guys just to know how much u sim on ST 6 min raid build? i sim just 2.4m but i see some other class sim 2.8-3m wtf
Actually I'm not even a good person to explain this kind of stuff, I'm washed up, my bad homies
And i don't sit on 2 vanish stack too long
Welcome to sin
is that sim fine? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hTiviNFhcSrGyUff66X291
Yes
Mine for exemple
u think are some sort of rotation problem on raidbots or we just do less damage than other class?
No, we just do less damages
Ah nice ๐
But we are less reliant on downtime that other specs
Based
If you look at ST its pretty close
It's not ST
We doing a lot of little cleave
So we doing great in raid
Amen
But ST, we low average
We got the most up to date apl for raidbot
Our TC are really doing a great job
Look, all of these are similar dps. But 684/681 gives more stamina so I would prolly take one if I got in vault.
what
assa is literally one of the best boss dmg specs in raids rn lol
gyaddamn i just did a priory 13
and i got a top 94% parse
things are lookin up bois
dont wanna crush your dreams
but like
nobody logs m+ really 
I mean what he said is correct tho
he linked the only pure ST fight Mr Lockenstock
which we are average on
Sprocketstock lockenmonger
lockenstock sprockmonger
locken on my sprocket till I monger my stock
sprocklock mongerstock ?
to get a giga parse on that boss
you have to play full egoistic
after the knock xed
y but you have the movementphase there
and have to care you dont knock anybody 3else form other camp
and its your second deathmark window
yeah I mean its fine
when we killed it the other circles came bit close
so i rather took a step back then greeding full uptime
thats what i mean
That's not a thing
I love it when people try to parse raid parses
Means I can just sit back and let them do their thing
How hard is it to pug a 4/8 mythic
no clue
bro knows the loottable freestyle
You can get tier items from vault even if you havent killed the corresponding bosses 
you want to host one ?
Wait no its only one slot
No Iโm trying to rat my way into one
Well not even rat coz I know I can do decent dps
I just need a group
But I could just wait and catalysts if Iโm lucky
Easier to wait
playing decline simulator
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Read again bro
Pure ST is average but we doing good in raid cuz of cleave
Like plz

Is it possible to use meld as an extra vanish? Seems my dots tend to keep me in combat so i can't restealth after using it
You can but itโs not consistent
Gotcha. Might save it for when tanks decide to chain pull with mobs at 5% health instead of mid pulls then
you gotta Meld -> stealth tho
Yeah i know but bleeds are weird and keep me in combat sometimes so i can't stealth
Try turning around from the pack and do it
now look at boss dmg on mugzee/gally/OAB

Yep, thats how it is.
Its janky and only works sometimes
Saw a Reddit thread about rogues, about 50 comments about 'muh restealth'
Why did I check it
gally
I knew what would be in there
Average + cuz other loose to much st by taking cleave?
mug'zee
OAB
so assa do be good on the boss where some of the biggest ST pumpers dont play single target talents

The fuck did survival hunters do there, jesus
Didn't think it was so hard to understand
survivla ST dmg is giga overtuned
44 parses so its a bit weird
Wouldn't know, legit never seen them anywhere 
People play surv still?
survival just does big boss dmg if you have one, its so weird lol
we have a main survival
Ah, fair. Wasn't sure of the overall sample size
it does really really good ST
They gave us all blade flurry and now were suddenly like outlaw where we do insane cleave but poor ST
Who couldve foreseen this
but sample size do be more tiny than sub's attention this patch
SHOCKER
dogshit design
flurry like mechanics is not good for the game
another 20% buff to envenom
we just reached the point where everyone has them
which is so dumb
like, how many specs dont have high uptime/perma cleave at this point lol
and if things turn around, you dont wanna be the one to not have them first
kinda f up place
OMG SO HIGH APM
WTF BUTTON BLOAT BUTTON BLOAT BUTTON BLOAT
IT DOES NO DMG IS SO HIGH EFFORT FOR 0 PAYOFF
WHY IS IT NOT RET PALADIN????? EVERY SPEC SHOULD BE RET PALADIN!!!!!
every single reddit rogue post ever
Ye pretty accurate
oh and ofc dont forget
I HATE USING VANISH OFFENSIVELY
Sin rogue is pretty easy idk what they're smoking
you forgot has no visuals/identity
when vanish was used offensive for like 17years now
Does assa feel good in m+ atm?
i mean, atleast that is a valid point
With bleed build, ye, not really messed about with other builds this season
So can't comment on them. Bleed fun though

The others feel fine too, but its mostly just slamming envenoms
Tomelvis doing some rly great job as outlaw
ye
you decide bettwen tunneling 1 guy and cleave from it
or spread bleeds and let CT do all the work
Iv seen some 9m/overall

Who the fck call him Tomelvis? xD
How do you call him
Zac
zac
@midnight mist โค๏ธ
we only lose on sprocket and cauldron, probably
Hey guys, no outlaw talk on holy ground
you always win when your raidteam sucks at hitting buttons

and when your warrior swaps to fury on mugzee prog WITHOUT SAYING A WORD TO ANYONE for the last 30min of the raidday and then you wipe at 0,3%
yes im still salty
fucking warriors
braindead apes all of them
my class fantasy is to shank someone from behind ๐ฅฐ
Hi
Are you that girl in the anime
I didnt watch it yet
The witch person
You should tom
Why you calling me tom
Tomelvis isnt your pseudo ?
Call him Mel
Friends call him Ballzac
no, you are zac_oihfdwrrtuinvbcp
KS_Enjoyer
@balmy condor today stream or?
No
Hi guys, is there any macro or something that let you target mobs that are not affected by your bleeds when you press TAB?
no
Nice, ty i guess xD
actually had raidbots finally tell me that a certain hero 8/8 ring beat out cyrce's. by about 3k, so it's sort of a side grade, but i'll probably make the switch
Guys i tried a droptimizer for mythic raid and it says some trinkets like mister lock n stalk , mega magnet etc, show like 1.5 % better while i have seaforium and signet. Am i doing something wrong ? I think i haven't changed talents coz i am not on pc now, rather on laptop.
if you pasted your /simc data you should be able to switch what spec you are using
or what talents
to another saved tree
mega magnet is pretty good for ST/prio because of an interaction with lingering darkness talent
the on use raid trinkets are generally pretty solid
What Helm enchant we taking lads
?
pins
Can I call you Elvis
sure buddy
no
Ok Elvis
The riddler

can we play the zeross build at 15's ?
Was trying in 16/17
maybe in priory
is the garrote usage that changes right
You don't need to ask Dad for permission, just play whatever you have fun with ๐
i like everything
Have fun then ๐
ty
Yeah but I have to ask Ronkles so
He is not taking questions at this time 
Call me questions the way heโs not taking me 
Your build saved assa for me
Itโs very enjoyable to play

Zeross purple name when?
Zeross purple name when?
Can someone tell me the best way to sim ass rogue? or is there a link somewhere please ๐
any specifics on the Dslice?
Ni
na dude
no
ty
@midnight mist wtf does freeze corleone talk about
ballon d'or
ancelloti?!?
real madrid?
fucking glazer
why is a song called bill clinton
Varas the yap legend
If you keep DM for boss only, prolly ahaha
I tried in 12 farm on reset day, Time to setup DM, big mob is 50% hp
I have 0 fucking clue my guy
But yes, I press the big envenom gamplay than bleeds one
Yo cuh
Tu es ma petite colombe au sucre
Nice
Pls le stop
:3
good job
my name is "D-level class" in English lol
Wait what's the zeross build
Just some crazy zeross shit
Is this dmg good for a 670 in a +10?
Did you time it?
If you timed it, its good enough. If you didnt time it because of overall lack of dps, you need to do better
Thank you sir how do I play it?
if you're not pushing 17s you just shouldn't play it
5 rupture ups, big envenomn on target, garrote on main target when u DM or in ST
Big ST/Prio damages
too good to post in #subtlety smh
And big AoE on big pulls
it's just harder to play in 12s for little reward, if you want to do it, go for it, no one is gonna stop you

I do want to do it, that's why I'm asking how to ๐
playing it well won't really pay off in low keys cause stuff is just gonna die too fast anyway
yeah it does well if you're zeross and know what you're actually doing with that build
So why are you telling him to not play it? ๐
Thanks man so it plays more like hybrid than bleed?
Still on it
Correct
@winged sun you need to make an opener rota guide for the cleave, well atleast the way youre doing it atleast

It's legit a Cleave build
All shivs in KB no dry?
I do a dry when I can
Or do you drop the cheeky one in lingering
If this lines up with a big pack I can see the caustic going mad
looks like the packs are just falling over from your other dps before you can ramp
well I mean no?
the shiv damage doesnt add to spatter
Can't find juicy Envenom
demise should be huge then
Lil adds died to quick
so outside of it being a supercharged darkest night in lingering sure but shiv doesnt do anything
Correct, i did read envenom, dunno why
still not going to make up for the lack of ability to get full cds in packs or spamming envenom
Yeah I meant this really love me a fat crit
But depends the packs I guess
Some you wil lwant to do a dry shiv for more prio damages
Some, you will keep to put on KB next pack
It's hard to play in 12s because people are essentially near max gear now and everything evaporates
yeah dont worry about your damage being low in 12's, everything gets atomized at this point
Biggest envenom do more spatter damages anyway
!macro
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
!stats
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
i assume death mark?
doesnt hoc and dmark desync a bit?







