#assassination

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worthy rose
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the power of jed compels u

winged sun
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ok i cooked it abit harder

worthy rose
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what in the diabolical fuck is this

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i dont pay attention to talents and even i know thats cooked

winged sun
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wait

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i'll make a true bleed build

balmy condor
winged sun
balmy condor
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yeh yeh

winged sun
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real true bleed build, no deathmark so u dont have to worry about not having deathmark for bosses

magic thorn
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Windows license not even activated in gif lmao

balmy condor
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that's almost believable

worthy rose
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based ttb enjoyer

balmy condor
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if you squint it's just bleed build

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very good

wise plume
balmy condor
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murlok will gobble it up

winged sun
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wait i gotta add tea

wise plume
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will post results

winged sun
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cuz mulok io likees tea

worthy rose
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whenever zeross logs out in subtlety

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his listing disappears in assassination

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and appears in sub again

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it makes me sad when i dont see zeross in the sin murlok tab

winged sun
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absolutely no poison build just focuses on bleed dmg and no need to worry about deathmark on cd anymore !

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very big big bleed dmg!

worthy rose
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do yall think bleed build can work in top

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do i just gotta bleed the boss harder

winged sun
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it can work in ToP but not in very high keys

balmy condor
worthy rose
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hmm if im gonna be a sub 17 key enjoyer

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bleed should work everywhere right

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i can just full send it bleed build everywhere

winged sun
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exactly !

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no dps loss in removing slow poison too in that build

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just play numbing + instant poison

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deadly poison is bad because its dots

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u need instant for instant dmg

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people will check my mainhand dagger

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๐Ÿ’€

worthy rose
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3k extra shadow damage for a 658 dagger is diabolical

wise plume
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i have adopted the boomer circle cursor

spice spire
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?

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dog I'm like 675

buoyant herald
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๐Ÿ‘Œ

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Wait

spice surge
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If youre sub yes

worthy rose
buoyant herald
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Not thatโ€™s the sub one

worthy rose
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im at 676

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i need to recraft my offhand cape and boots tho

spice spire
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I have done 5 keys this week after uncapping

worthy rose
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il be at 680 or 679 if my maths was right

spice spire
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๐Ÿ’€

worthy rose
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i think ive done no less than 20

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๐Ÿ’€

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fk farming

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the children yearn for the mines

coral ibex
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i think i did 28 12's since tuesday

coral ibex
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the potatos are the randoms in lfg

worthy rose
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helping potatos one dungeon at a time

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this was my friend malding yesterday about some sub rogue that was in the group greifing

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LOL

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think he was trying his best

coral ibex
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i mean its sub rogue in m+

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its not really cooking this season

glad ruin
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I am a rogue noob. What poisons should I be running in raid/m+

coral ibex
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!poisons

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!poison

prisma monolithBOT
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You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

  • Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
    Non-Lethals:
  • Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

worthy rose
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as assassination always deadly poison plus maybe atrophic or mind numbing

spice surge
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The ones you talent into Surebud

worthy rose
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if you got dragon tempered potions

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then amp/deadly/atro/crippling

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only combat and sub use instant poison

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you can just forget instant poison even exists as a sin main

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*outlaw

glad ruin
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Okay I was doing it right. I am just bad and my rotation is ass.

worthy rose
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whats your rotation

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wowhead has a good list on how to always open from stealth

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after that is just about maintaining dots

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if you get whispyrs weakaura display

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it tracks everything you need to know

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and his plater thing so u know whats ruptured and bleeding

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also depends what build exactly your eplaying

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if youre playing bleed build always maintain bleeds and dots on targets

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its always your #1 priority

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then you spam mutilate and envenom in the filler in between

glad ruin
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Ambush, mutilate to 5+, garrote, rupture, mutilate to 5+ envenom, (big 1.5min CD I forget the name ๐Ÿซฃ) shiv, kingsbane, envenom at max... repeat.

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Something like that

worthy rose
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mutilate OUT OF STEALTH?

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noooooo

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you want to be using your improved garotte and spread the bleed

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it will help to see what your tlaent page looks like first

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before we can start commenting

glad ruin
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I meant that

worthy rose
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can u post a screenshot

glad ruin
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Does improved garrote hit max stacks if only 1 combo point is available out of stealth?

glad ruin
worthy rose
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i dont know if youre talented into it but theres a talent that will refund you combo points once you rupture in the stealth opener window

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so you can foreseeably ambush out of stealth and if yorue near max

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rupture and then rupture again

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then you use the improved garrote

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until max

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then ruptreu once again

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then crimson tempest

glad ruin
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Double rupture

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Okay, I haven't been doing that

worthy rose
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and then after that ensure bleeds are always on the upkeep and that they dont fall off

coral ibex
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the opener in aoe is (ambush if no DN) garrote garrote rupture rupture garrote garrote mutilate envenom > CD's

balmy condor
worthy rose
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this is heresy

glad ruin
balmy condor
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oh

worthy rose
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surely crimson tempest before any envenoms

balmy condor
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yeh no, it's just 3cp from stealth

coral ibex
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yea true CT first

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idk you can answer this by referencing the wowhead ability priority list

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and the opener graphic

glad ruin
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So stealth, ambush, garrote x2, rupture x2, CT, envenom rotation until DN, then CD rotation with Shiv/Kingsbane? Keeping bleeds up?

worthy rose
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yeah

coral ibex
worthy rose
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i mean you can either use the wowhead opener guide

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or if youre too lazy to do that

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download hekili and watch it as youre in gameplay

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BUT the downside

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you WILL be tunnelvisioned on hekili as a bad habit

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so its better to actually learn the rotation

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and why youre doing it

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youre doing the garrotes to spread the bleed

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and youre doing the double rupture as priority to spread bleed as soon as you can

glad ruin
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Hekili likes to throw up thistle tea and other things that auto go off.

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I don't like it.

worthy rose
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you just have to remember as a bleed build your #1 priority is to keep spreading bleeds and have maximum bleed upkeep on targets

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theres some nuances where you do want to manually pop thistle tea

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which is what i think hekili would be trying to calculate for

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but thats very minmaxy

glad ruin
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I need to practice on a target dummy

quartz relic
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So bleed isn't used in high keys? Too bad it's so easy to play.

glad ruin
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I have to learn another rotation/spec for higher keys ๐Ÿซ ?

coral ibex
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maybe if you push 17/18+

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otherwise no

glad ruin
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Whew

shadow lark
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When should I be using vanish? With death mark?

worthy rose
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id thinkt hats context dependent

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on a boss fight or raid boss i think yes vanish for deathmark

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but in a mythic dungeon overall you will want to use vanish to reapply bleeds if necessary

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when tank is doing efficient method of chainpulling

shadow lark
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Okay. Vanish and remembering the 2nd shiv during Deathmark are my biggest issues

brittle quail
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!up

glad ruin
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Does ilvl correlate to the M+ dungeon you should be capable of doing?

buoyant herald
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Vaguely

sage basin
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no cause if you don't know any mechanics or how to play your spec ilvl means nothing, ilvl allows you to make more mistakes

buoyant herald
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Did some 12s with a 635 ilvl healer last night

coral ibex
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people were doings 10s week 1 with like 645 ilvl

glad ruin
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So I am really bad ๐Ÿ’ฉ

sage basin
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first step is understanding you need to make improvements lol

buoyant herald
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Are you playing with four clones of yourself though

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The only time ilvl really matters is when there are one shot mechanics that your low ilvl hp canโ€™t survive

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I donโ€™t think any thereโ€™s really a situation where you can live but not do enough damage to time

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Unless all 3 dps are very very bad

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Or your tank does some crazy one pack at a time route

glad ruin
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Well I appreciate the tips, I will try and practice in lower m+ dungeons

worthy rose
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i can confirm

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you are able to rat and roach +13's while at 640 ilvl as a shadow priest

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if your mage friend and hunter friend are pumping

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your sole purpose is to dispel wings off the paladins in priory

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and give PI to the hunter that desperately needs haste

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downside is a sacred toll will 100% oneshot you

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do people still do nerub-ar for content

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or ttransmogs

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the k'areshi set looke dpretty nice

haughty flicker
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idk probably

worthy rose
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curse me and not playing rogue last season to get the ful mythic outfit

haughty flicker
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dw you only have to wait 2 expansions to have a good chance of getting it

worthy rose
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shame rogues dont have many good transmogs that re easily gettable

wise plume
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mythic tomb rogue set is easily the best

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or mythic nighthold

worthy rose
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tomb of sargeras?

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yeah ive been trying to farm that set like mad

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fanged slayer

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im short shoulders and gloves i think

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which are the most important pieces

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well shoulders

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not so much gloves

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but also the sargeras sets are all just lazy rehashes of everything in burning crusade

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fanged slayer after 20 years STILL HAS THE HAIR CLIPPING ISSUE on the helm

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blizzard small indie company

wise plume
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i just love the aesthetic of it when playing hybrid, poison bomb go brrr

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lotta green

worthy rose
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true

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ive also been tring to farm the black temple for hte og slayer set

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but i keep getting mad unlucky

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i think of all the visual updates

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warlock had the best

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the malefic stuff

stone gust
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Okay doing a key on assassination, I understand why you guys enjoy it lol

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Lots of bleeds everywhere

sacred summit
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can someone help me with a m+ talents and raid talents ? having hard time figuring out some parts?

worthy rose
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bleed enjoyer

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mythic just copy wowheads bleed build

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and spread bleeds

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for raids im not sure

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just copypasta the wowhead raid build too and send it

sacred summit
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m+ i have done that, but raids i have been lacking cause idk if i should still get arterial percision for example even on more single target fights

balmy condor
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should get arterial precision on every fight except sprocketmonger

worthy rose
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it probably matters less in raids coz you can blame your raidmates for not doing their job

balmy condor
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there's adds on every fight

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if adds, you play arterial

sacred summit
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im simming like 1.8mil dmg but i see some sim 4 mil i dont know if its a taalent issue or gear cause my gear is 652 with stats mostly correct ยจ7

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sorry for ''being noob'' appreciate the help ๐Ÿ™‚

balmy condor
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max single target sim is 2.6

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4 mil sims are dungeon sims

sacred summit
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oooh

broken lion
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If jastor diamond and myth priory signet sim the same, which should I take?

balmy condor
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the one you think is shinier I guess

broken lion
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Im assuming diamond bc priory sig could be house of cards

balmy condor
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sure

broken lion
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so its like 2 potential vault hits rather than 1

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Although Im not sure if myth rings outpace heroic jastor?

balmy condor
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they do not

broken lion
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Im assuming not just for the jastors effect

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right

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Thanks.

misty holly
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does the dungeon slice sim have you drop combat at any point?

balmy condor
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frequently yes

lavish swan
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is 7% haste way to low?

balmy condor
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if it sims the best for you then no

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we don't have any breakpoints or stat values to hit

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secondaries are a wash

wise plume
worthy rose
misty holly
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sounds like pvp gear.

wise plume
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or just go sub

true lintel
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When do i replace cyrces? is it just a never angle cause its perma beating every ring i sim

idle vine
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Hey, I only do m+. Trying to decide between brew neck (from vault) or just upgrading my crafting one. I've simmed it. Crafted one is bigger upgrade for dungeon slice (raidbots) while cinderbrew neck is bigger for patchwerk. Basically question is, is it ever good to prioritise single target? Or if I am only an m+ player, should I just focus on whatever sims higher for dungeon slice

worthy rose
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for mythics aoe is almost always superior

true lintel
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sim 5 target patchwerk dungeon slice is ass

worthy rose
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its why bleed build is the best until you get to like 17

balmy condor
worthy rose
worthy rose
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whispyr i thought my training arc with u taught u not to get jebaited

idle vine
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ok thanks ๐Ÿ™‚

worthy rose
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also when you say brew neck

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did you get a mythic track brew neck in vault

winged sun
worthy rose
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or are you talking about a heroic neckpiece

winged sun
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Ur ass

wise plume
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cooked

worthy rose
balmy condor
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bro just out here suggesting unsupported fight styles

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for fun

worthy rose
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unsupported?

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or pioneering

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depends on perspective pepelol

balmy condor
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pioneering new ways to spike my blood pressure

balmy condor
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some people can replace it with jastor + crafted

hearty seal
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!chainpull

prisma monolithBOT
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Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

  • For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
  • Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
  • Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
  • Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
  • Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
  • You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
autumn frost
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Now that i'm basically capped on gear in raid, I will now focus on making a secondary set for m+

hearty seal
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why'd you need a different set for M+ as Assa?

balmy condor
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less haste I guess

worthy rose
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@balmy condor can u tell me what gear i should get or craft next

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i can either recraft cape boots and offhand tonight with my 100 crests

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or i could craft a 681 ring from scratch

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or bracers from scratch i guess

balmy condor
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I'd sim ring

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p sure you can replace circlet with a crafted ring

worthy rose
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yeah

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i mean

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realistically in the end il have recrafted my offpieces and also have the ring

balmy condor
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otherwise it's just ilvl on your bracer/belt/cloak I guess

worthy rose
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but i guess whats mor eimportant right now is the question

balmy condor
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probably the ring

worthy rose
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im prayging my vault is either going to be a bracer belt or shoulder

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or even pants

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othewrise im prob gonna have to SAD my helm

worthy rose
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alrighty

stone gust
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what should my details spread look like at end of dungeon

balmy condor
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depends on the build

stone gust
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nvm im dumb, just going to sim and compare off that

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als im bleed build

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9 ml

balmy condor
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then it should be ct/rup/sang top 3

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followed by gar/caustic/envenom

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sudden demise in there somewhere maybe

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but you can't really control that

stone gust
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okay im ct/rup/gar/env/sang/sud/caus... so way off lol

balmy condor
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I mean

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that seems kinda okay

stone gust
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i was garroting alot because pulls were huge

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did like 2 5 pulls lol rest were huge

worthy rose
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if youre pugging groups in mythics

balmy condor
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if pulls are huge you might want to prio caustic more

worthy rose
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your gameplay is going to be super dependent on tank and healer

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i dont think you really have much agency over it

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like if tank lets u stealth or does really racist pulls

stone gust
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okay so i need to get a mouseover macro for gar then because fuck tab targeting or clicking

worthy rose
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its completly out of your control

stone gust
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yea i need to go nelf to get extra stealth at this point lol

balmy condor
worthy rose
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what level dungeons are you doing atm

balmy condor
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he said he did a 9

stone gust
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caustic is one is fine or spread them like bleeds

worthy rose
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i dont think shadowmeld realy solves the issue of tanks not pulling right

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oh

balmy condor
stone gust
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okay so just keep that going always then

worthy rose
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i dont think you need a mouseover garrote macro

balmy condor
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you always have it on your prio target

worthy rose
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i just use the garote smart spread in game alreayd

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seems to do the job

wise plume
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is ret pally dmg kinda fuckin bonkers or is it just me

balmy condor
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and you just slam envenoms into it

worthy rose
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are you manually applying the normal garote on mouseover?

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that would be too minmaxy shit

stone gust
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feel like WA packages track so much and not the actual useful stuff like i really only need to keep an eye on 3 things, rest is out of my control

worthy rose
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just garote the target ur punching

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the priority is having rupture uptime

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as a 9key enjoyer myself

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just tell ur tank to stop fuckin around

stone gust
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garrote punch the main target isnt bad but yea i thought min max was to get the 3 new ones every cast

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hey im working my way up the ladder lol 9 for now

balmy condor
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it's VERY min max

worthy rose
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the imrpoved garote spreader is only for when ur out of stealth window

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you only need the normal garote on your punching target

balmy condor
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you don't even get more garrotes outside of very specific target counts

worthy rose
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just keep ruptures up and youll be fine

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i promise

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rupture and crimson tempest way more important than spreading the shitter garrote

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*rupture

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fuck

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i cant type

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i need my afternoon coffee

wise plume
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stroke

stone gust
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okay so garrote just to get the initial then rupture spread

balmy condor
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like if you have 7 targets, it doesn't matter if you swap or not, you're always gonna double tap something

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rupture you just hit 2-3 times

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you want 5 for scent

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rest is whatever

worthy rose
stone gust
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okay yea i was seeing that explained in shindig vid about scent

worthy rose
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and not really need to minmax anything

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i dont even think about my gameplay and i get through content

balmy condor
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shindig good

stone gust
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well i just like doing it for fun lol

balmy condor
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good lad

worthy rose
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whispyr hates me

stone gust
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like why not learn the ins and outs of class

worthy rose
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too much reading i just want to unga bunga

stone gust
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is kick always focus or you guys have 2

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sep binds?

worthy rose
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mouseover kick

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my kick macro does both mouseover or on target

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thats all you really need

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last season ther ewas that one train boss where the miniboss would fly away

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and you had to kick it

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that one i specifically made a focus shadowstep+kick macro

balmy condor
worthy rose
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but other than that i dont think it really matters

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and that shadowstep kick was only coz my friends were trolling hard and not kicking

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so its not even really needed as a rogue

stone gust
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lmao thank you for knocking me down, so just stab and spread the bleeds and let the blades do the work

worthy rose
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think less

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just do

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unga bunga

worthy rose
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the best way to succeed is an empty mind

stone gust
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okay so i need a new spotify playlist then

wise plume
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legit just keep dots on as many targets as you can and stay above 50% energy

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= big dam

stone gust
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okay thats easy

worthy rose
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bleed build has questionable single target damage tho

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im finding it difficult to do over 1.6m single

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granted im not using potions or flasks

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coz thats too expensive

stone gust
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yea single target is a roller coaster it seems

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like woot we got deathmark and vanish

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then sad days

worthy rose
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big sadge

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but it is what it is

spice spire
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Idk man proc blindside more

worthy rose
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its fine tho

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i got a hunter and mage to pick up my st damage

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works out

subtle tundra
median root
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Help your tank avoid breaking the law with tricks

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They will thank you

worthy rose
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like a single target pure boss like rookery

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im eating shit all 3 bosses

median root
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Never zone into rookery

worthy rose
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but in the aoe pulls i nuke my friends in dps

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i need to 15 all my keys

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i still got a long way to go

median root
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I mean rookery its easy to have trash on boss 1 and boss 2

wise plume
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yeah but who actually wants to do rookery

subtle tundra
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ITS JUST A FILTHY GRIND

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PUTTING YOURSELF THROUGH THE GUTTER

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WITH HUMANS AND NON-HUMANS ALIKE

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AND YOU WILL FEEL BAD WHILE DOING IT, MISERABLE EVEN
BUT THE SATISFACTION IN THE END

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WILL not be worth it

runic hinge
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Shoulda capitalized not

spare kayak
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somebody mentioned non-humans and here I am. How can I ruin your key?

rotund oak
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bro's into ruin tech srsly

brittle quail
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!up

safe patrol
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on a bus and kinda bored, how do you execute the switch to sub in rookery after 2nd (?) boss the most effectively? you just like port to dornogal/rookery tp whatever and then back in after swapping and you have to run all the way back to the jump from the start of 2nd area into potential parasol skip? is that the best way or surely its done an other way or.

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not doing higher than 16 on rogue next so can just stay assa all the way but just curious

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sub does feel lovely on that last boss doe.

subtle tundra
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the only other way to do it is to have a warlock and get summoned

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after tp-ing

safe patrol
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yeah safe I see

austere radish
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which classes & specs have the best synergies with assa?

subtle tundra
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monk,shaman,warrior,dh,druid

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whoever does most ST so assa can do more aoe

granite sentinel
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
wispy iris
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is there a sudden demise highscore weakaura of some sort

balmy condor
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not that I've heard of

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people just post screenshots every now and then

wispy iris
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i want one like the outlaw crackshot highscore wa lol maybe ill try making it

red schooner
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I need to up my demisemaxxing game, only hit 33mil so far

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It feels weak

runic hinge
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I had a 39 yesterday in a rookery on the first big dude

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coulda maybe gotten higher

red schooner
runic hinge
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yeah hes a good target for a demisemaxxx

red schooner
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It was my first key after the ilvl upgrade so I didn't think he'd melt that fast

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Dude fucking popped

amber brook
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i'm new to assasination came from aff lock lol, but do i need to press mutilate if ambush is available or if blindside procs?

balmy condor
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mutilate automatically turns into ambush if blindside procs

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you need to press ambush from stealth

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which you can just put on your stealth bar in the same place mutilate is

amber brook
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oh so in stealth or while stealth abilities remain i shouldnt ever press mutilate?

balmy condor
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should just press ambush instead yes

amber brook
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omg

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thank you

subtle tundra
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oh god ๐Ÿ’ฆ

hardy dawn
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xz

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765 0.

loud hawk
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from which point and after we need augments for mythic+ what key level

jade abyss
runic hinge
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play sub optimally lol

real pike
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I had demise pop on the last boss on rookery the other day after his shield had come up

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That felt nice

opaque hawk
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kind of new to sin- how does deathstalkers mark work if you need to apply it to a new target and don't have vanish?

real pike
balmy condor
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yeh, typically have to move it with darkest night

opaque hawk
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you can't apply it mid fight without darkest night or stealth is what i'm understanding?

balmy condor
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correct

opaque hawk
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ty

runic hinge
# jade abyss How you get such high demise numbers?

Basically you want to refresh all your bleeds when the mob gets low and hit a 5 man ct on it while your dm is also running. But youโ€™re probably gonna have to burn vanish for that and itโ€™s not always optimal

iron vapor
#

And bosh a shiv in too for good measure

royal lantern
runic hinge
red schooner
#

It's fine I run 12s, I can afford a bit of unethical play in a 12

runic hinge
#

Same

nova kelp
#

on the group of 4 gaols on myth mugzee, do we just go in and do our best? or should we not be in there either?

loud hearth
iron vapor
royal lantern
nova kelp
#

I believe so

royal lantern
#

....then yes??

cedar iron
#

If you're assigned, go in and hit the add. Kicks are probably assigned aswell. If not, you're most likely assigned to the immune soak

golden loom
#

we atleast have everyone assigned to gaols on the last set so just gotta bite the bullet and go in and do some stuff

nova kelp
#

aye aye, just send what I can

drifting cloud
#

well you can also be assigned to go in and then if youre not a void elf and are immune soaking you just have to be highest assigned prio on the 2 around the boss

#

they all work, just depends on your comp

nova kelp
#

scratch that, I'm on immune soak / out

loud hearth
#

Don't the immune people still go in?

That's what we did at least.

#

Like one of the gaols is just guaranteed getting hit by the rocket

nova kelp
#

I'm being told to bail at the end yeah, so take the hit and fuck off

#

or getting tugged by a holy man

#

like my childhood

lime musk
#

Hi guys, switched to assassi for the last few bosses of mythic after playing sub most of the season due to it being stronger on important parts of the fights.

Just downed bandit and moving on to mugzee, are there any fight specific tips for assassi on the final two bosses?

wary light
cedar iron
cedar iron
distant plinth
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
subtle tundra
#

and like

#

the spec.. is that shrimple.. you have automatic aoe

#

youre gonna spatter adds

#

do rupture sniping

#

!rup

#

!snipe

#

idk

#

check pin

#

idk those 2 bosses are quite literally follow boss do button presses

#

get 1-2 mechanic maybe

rotund oak
nova kelp
#

shrimple

rotund oak
#

im here coz mage discord looks like a graveyard

#

or worse

#

idk

#

vacuum of space

subtle tundra
#

im here even though i quit

red schooner
#

I'm here for the cat thread

rotund oak
#

u didnt quit,u are a monk

subtle tundra
nova kelp
#

catbois*

rotund oak
#

im happy for u btw

#

im gonna try mage for a bit or hpally pvp

#

if that fails im unsubbing

subtle tundra
rotund oak
#

can say for mage though

#

Mfking OP AF

midnight mist
#

rava !

rotund oak
#

u exist,they deepthroat u coz u do

subtle tundra
#

monsieur

midnight mist
#

hi bro

#

hope you are doing well bro

subtle tundra
#

c'est incroyable!

midnight mist
#

my favorite assa player

#

after that quake guy

subtle tundra
#

we all love quak

midnight mist
#

yurh

subtle tundra
#

i know you listen to french music

#

what are some french rappers i might like
i like foreign music that unintelligible

nova kelp
#

oh baguettes in the chat

midnight mist
subtle tundra
gray hazel
#

!tricks

prisma monolithBOT
#

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
royal lantern
midnight mist
# subtle tundra musik

freeze corleone, vald, bu$hi, laylow, hamza, sch, these are my fav french guys i think

subtle tundra
midnight mist
subtle tundra
#

very opinionated

midnight mist
#

its objectively correct

subtle tundra
humble verge
#

anyone here who uses scrub daddy

#

๐Ÿคจ

storm forum
#

Sometimes

#

I prefer the normal sponge most of the time tbh

worthy rose
#

if theres a scrub daddy

#

wheres scrub mommy

final star
#

Yeah they quite good

past marten
#

I'm using scrub mommy

final star
#

there is a scrub mommy too

humble verge
#

was about to say

#

theres is one

final star
#

it has a cute bow

humble verge
#

they have also made a scrub for bbqs too i think

past marten
#

Yeah, it has two sides

final star
humble verge
storm forum
past marten
#

I'm using the bbq daddy under the shower

humble verge
#

wait wtf, theres a kit

storm forum
glad ruin
#

I'm using hekili to help learn my rotation but why does it keep telling me to use FOK? I almost never used that before. What am I missing about that ability?

hasty viper
#

You mean in AOE or ST?

glad ruin
#

AOE

hasty viper
#

It's your CP generator for AOE, when it crits it gives you more combo points

glad ruin
#

so you use it over multiate

hasty viper
#

Also gets poisons on multiple targets

glad ruin
#

which is your ST

#

AHHH

#

no fucking wonder

hasty viper
#

Yes, there is a Mutilate vs Fan of Knives section on the Wowhead guide where you have comparison on how many targets u use it depending on talents

#

Worth a read

low kernel
#

!fok

prisma monolithBOT
#

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

  • Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
    Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
  • Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
    Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
  • Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

glad ruin
#

Thank you. I guess I glossed over that section

#

no wonder i've been so shit in M+

waxen copper
#

what would be the best sim config for m+ with the bleed build ? dungeon slice or some other setting (patchwerk x targets)

balmy condor
#

The damage is whatever, poisons are worthless

#

But combo points? Very valuable

rain coral
#

guys you still runing the cyrces ring ? or does 681 or 684 rings surpass it

iron carbon
#

Yep

#

No MM ring from vault upgrade me for exemple

rain coral
#

ive seen a lot pro rogues going 681 and jastor diamond

iron carbon
#

Stamina?

rain coral
#

what you mean

red schooner
#

Just run a sim of it

rain coral
#

oke

iron carbon
#

684 rings gives more stamin

#

And they need it for high rank keys

#

To no getting OS

red schooner
#

Some people are finding that they can replace circlet with 684 rings, some can't

#

Varies character to character so just sim it

iron carbon
#

It just depends gear

rain coral
#

y true

iron carbon
#

Or combination of gear

#

I mean, maybe no ring is an upgrade by replacing just the circe

#

But taking 2 heavy mastery ring could be betetr than your current ring + circe

normal mist
keen tundra
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
final star
normal mist
#

It actually works really well

#

That and "the pink stuff"

#

My gf loves those

brisk lily
#

Yoo guys

normal mist
#

Yo

brisk lily
#

I got question for m+ assa roguue biiiiiiig pull

brisk lily
#

You open like classic way until your 12 second of carnage is done.
At this moment on big pull (10+ mob), do you vanish do put more garrot/rupture or do you engage your rotation knife/evenom

#

I feel im doing more dps do not vanish and knife/evenom

normal mist
#

Define big pulls

#

10-15 mobs?

brisk lily
#

Idk, like first pull on rookery

normal mist
#

I've never done rookery

brisk lily
#

Hmm first pull on new dungeon, idk how it call in english

#

Open somethibg

iron carbon
#

11

#

target

normal mist
#

But if you have 10+ mobs you can easily garrote/rupture by tabing to new targets so you always spread 3 and not 2

brisk lily
#

Thats not my question royal

normal mist
#

If your dots haven't expired yet, I wouldn't vanish to reapply

iron carbon
#

As bleed build I just Amb - Gar - Rupt - rupt - gar -gar - ct - mut - md - shiv - vanish -and refreesh dot

#

So I have crit buff for DM + Refreshing pandemic garrote

pearl dust
#

Guys just to know how much u sim on ST 6 min raid build? i sim just 2.4m but i see some other class sim 2.8-3m wtf

normal mist
#

Actually I'm not even a good person to explain this kind of stuff, I'm washed up, my bad homies

iron carbon
#

And i don't sit on 2 vanish stack too long

pearl dust
#

u think are some sort of rotation problem on raidbots or we just do less damage than other class?

iron carbon
#

No, we just do less damages

pearl dust
#

Ah nice ๐Ÿ˜„

iron carbon
#

But we are less reliant on downtime that other specs

normal mist
#

Mythic 95 percentile

#

We doing fine

#

Trust

pearl dust
#

mmm ok

#

probably the raidbot dont work well with our class

kind forge
#

Based

spice surge
#

If you look at ST its pretty close

iron carbon
#

We doing a lot of little cleave

#

So we doing great in raid

normal mist
#

Amen

iron carbon
#

But ST, we low average

kind forge
#

Nice ST support spec

#

Aug is

iron carbon
#

Our TC are really doing a great job

iron carbon
royal lantern
#

assa is literally one of the best boss dmg specs in raids rn lol

worthy rose
#

gyaddamn i just did a priory 13

#

and i got a top 94% parse

#

things are lookin up bois

royal lantern
#

but like

nobody logs m+ really kekdog

worthy rose
#

Just pad more damage

#

Ez

golden loom
#

he linked the only pure ST fight Mr Lockenstock

#

which we are average on

worthy rose
nova aspen
#

lockenstock sprockmonger

near valley
#

locken on my sprocket till I monger my stock

lyric gate
#

sprocklock mongerstock ?

#

to get a giga parse on that boss

#

you have to play full egoistic

#

after the knock xed

golden loom
#

what does that mean

#

you have 100% uptime on him anyways

lyric gate
#

y but you have the movementphase there

#

and have to care you dont knock anybody 3else form other camp

#

and its your second deathmark window

golden loom
#

yeah I mean its fine

lyric gate
#

when we killed it the other circles came bit close

#

so i rather took a step back then greeding full uptime

#

thats what i mean

golden loom
#

can also cloak and just stand in the electricity

#

or just play it correctly kekdog

loud hearth
lyric gate
#

3 keys open

#

i need a team

worthy rose
#

I love it when people try to parse raid parses

#

Means I can just sit back and let them do their thing

#

How hard is it to pug a 4/8 mythic

lyric gate
#

with regular pugs ?

#

gl

#

3/8 mayxbe

#

bnut not stix

worthy rose
#

Fair

#

What boss drops shoulder and pants token?

lyric gate
#

no clue

worthy rose
#

Sadge

#

I need those two pieces and then I can craft the rest

golden loom
#

stix drops pants

#

first boss drops shoulders u can catalyze

lyric gate
#

bro knows the loottable freestyle

spice surge
#

You can get tier items from vault even if you havent killed the corresponding bosses Surebud

worthy rose
#

Hmm

#

So I can just try pug a 3/8

#

Sweet

#

Only two slots tho

lyric gate
#

you want to host one ?

worthy rose
#

Wait no its only one slot

worthy rose
#

Well not even rat coz I know I can do decent dps

#

I just need a group

#

But I could just wait and catalysts if Iโ€™m lucky

#

Easier to wait

lyric gate
#

playing decline simulator

distant plinth
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
iron carbon
#

Pure ST is average but we doing good in raid cuz of cleave

#

Like plz

nova aspen
royal mauve
#

Is it possible to use meld as an extra vanish? Seems my dots tend to keep me in combat so i can't restealth after using it

next dust
royal mauve
golden loom
#

you gotta Meld -> stealth tho

royal mauve
next dust
#

Try turning around from the pack and do it

royal lantern
spice surge
#

Its janky and only works sometimes

red schooner
#

Saw a Reddit thread about rogues, about 50 comments about 'muh restealth'

#

Why did I check it

earnest remnant
red schooner
#

I knew what would be in there

iron carbon
earnest remnant
#

mug'zee

#

so assa do be good on the boss where some of the biggest ST pumpers dont play single target talents

iron carbon
#

Maybe up ST damages by sniping rupture?

#

Thanks Stealthi

red schooner
iron carbon
#

Didn't think it was so hard to understand

royal lantern
earnest remnant
red schooner
#

Wouldn't know, legit never seen them anywhere kekdog

royal mauve
#

People play surv still?

royal lantern
#

survival just does big boss dmg if you have one, its so weird lol

royal lantern
red schooner
earnest remnant
spice surge
#

Who couldve foreseen this

earnest remnant
#

but sample size do be more tiny than sub's attention this patch

earnest remnant
#

dogshit design

#

flurry like mechanics is not good for the game

royal lantern
royal lantern
#

like, how many specs dont have high uptime/perma cleave at this point lol

ashen totem
#

and if things turn around, you dont wanna be the one to not have them first

#

kinda f up place

royal lantern
#

every single reddit rogue post ever

royal lantern
#

oh and ofc dont forget

I HATE USING VANISH OFFENSIVELY

red schooner
#

Sin rogue is pretty easy idk what they're smoking

near valley
#

you forgot has no visuals/identity

royal lantern
#

when vanish was used offensive for like 17years now

young frost
#

Does assa feel good in m+ atm?

royal lantern
red schooner
#

So can't comment on them. Bleed fun though

spice surge
#

The others feel fine too, but its mostly just slamming envenoms

brisk lily
#

Tomelvis doing some rly great job as outlaw

royal lantern
#

ye

you decide bettwen tunneling 1 guy and cleave from it

or spread bleeds and let CT do all the work

brisk lily
#

Iv seen some 9m/overall

earnest remnant
iron carbon
brisk lily
#

How do you call him

iron carbon
#

Zac

earnest remnant
#

zac

iron carbon
#

@midnight mist โค๏ธ

humble verge
grim jay
#

Hey guys, no outlaw talk on holy ground

royal lantern
#

and when your warrior swaps to fury on mugzee prog WITHOUT SAYING A WORD TO ANYONE for the last 30min of the raidday and then you wipe at 0,3%

#

yes im still salty

#

fucking warriors

#

braindead apes all of them

near valley
midnight mist
midnight mist
#

I didnt watch it yet

#

The witch person

brisk lily
#

You should tom

midnight mist
#

Why you calling me tom

grim jay
#

Not a witch

brisk lily
#

Tomelvis isnt your pseudo ?

midnight mist
#

No one calls me tom

#

Ye it is

#

But Im zac

#

Hi

iron carbon
#

"Tom"

#

Ahahaha

#

I can't

pliant remnant
#

Call him Mel

grim jay
#

Friends call him Ballzac

royal lantern
iron carbon
#

KS_Enjoyer

hidden bay
#

@balmy condor today stream or?

midnight mist
#

No

fossil falcon
#

Hi guys, is there any macro or something that let you target mobs that are not affected by your bleeds when you press TAB?

earnest remnant
#

no

fossil falcon
#

Nice, ty i guess xD

somber sparrow
#

actually had raidbots finally tell me that a certain hero 8/8 ring beat out cyrce's. by about 3k, so it's sort of a side grade, but i'll probably make the switch

analog field
#

Guys i tried a droptimizer for mythic raid and it says some trinkets like mister lock n stalk , mega magnet etc, show like 1.5 % better while i have seaforium and signet. Am i doing something wrong ? I think i haven't changed talents coz i am not on pc now, rather on laptop.

somber sparrow
#

if you pasted your /simc data you should be able to switch what spec you are using

#

or what talents

#

to another saved tree

main plover
#

the on use raid trinkets are generally pretty solid

flat pier
#

What Helm enchant we taking lads naruto_shy ?

plush gorge
#

pins

spice spire
midnight mist
#

sure buddy

subtle tundra
#

no

midnight mist
#

rava

#

no one asked you

spice spire
#

Ok Elvis

spice surge
#

The riddler

spice spire
iron carbon
#

I did some tries at more serious content with the Zeross build

#

Damn, it deals

loud hawk
#

can we play the zeross build at 15's ?

iron carbon
#

Was trying in 16/17

loud hawk
#

maybe in priory

winged sun
#

It does well on all key levels if u play it well

#

Even on 12s

loud hawk
#

is the garrote usage that changes right

indigo sphinx
#

You don't need to ask Dad for permission, just play whatever you have fun with ๐Ÿ˜‚

loud hawk
#

i like everything

indigo sphinx
#

Have fun then ๐Ÿ˜„

winged sun
#

Someone is mad rotating_skull

#

Garrote in deathmark in aoe

#

And in st

loud hawk
#

ty

flat pier
#

We build sharing ?

indigo sphinx
spice spire
#

Call me questions the way heโ€™s not taking me smoge

lusty kraken
#

Itโ€™s very enjoyable to play

winged sun
dapper cradle
#

Zeross purple name when?

winged sun
#

Zeross purple name when?

still remnant
#

Can someone tell me the best way to sim ass rogue? or is there a link somewhere please ๐Ÿ™‚

shy creek
#

Patchwerk and dungeon slice work

#

Patchwerk for ST

#

Dslice for AoE

still remnant
#

any specifics on the Dslice?

shy creek
#

Ni

hidden bay
#

na dude

shy creek
#

no

hidden bay
#

if he gets purple

#

ill leave again

still remnant
subtle tundra
#

@midnight mist wtf does freeze corleone talk about

#

ballon d'or

#

ancelloti?!?

#

real madrid?

#

fucking glazer

#

why is a song called bill clinton

winged sun
#

Varas the yap legend

spice spire
#

Heโ€™s not even a top 10 yapper here

#

Wdym

iron carbon
#

I tried in 12 farm on reset day, Time to setup DM, big mob is 50% hp

midnight mist
iron carbon
#

But yes, I press the big envenom gamplay than bleeds one

midnight mist
#

He doesn't talk french

#

He talks whatever the fuck

iron carbon
#

I do

#

Coucou Zac, j'espรจre que tu vas bien โค๏ธ

midnight mist
#

Yo cuh

iron carbon
#

Tu es ma petite colombe au sucre

midnight mist
#

Nice

iron carbon
#

Viens me faire des papouilles, stp

#

Okay, I'm cringing myself

proud pelican
#

Pls le stop

humble verge
iron carbon
#

:3

worthy blade
#

finish a +17 TOP as sub2ez

normal mist
#

good job

worthy blade
#

my name is "D-level class" in English lol

real pike
#

Wait what's the zeross build

proud pelican
#

Just some crazy zeross shit

iron carbon
silent compass
#

Is this dmg good for a 670 in a +10?

normal mist
winged sun
#

can do more but its aight

normal mist
#

If you timed it, its good enough. If you didnt time it because of overall lack of dps, you need to do better

real pike
sage basin
iron carbon
#

5 rupture ups, big envenomn on target, garrote on main target when u DM or in ST

#

Big ST/Prio damages

humble verge
iron carbon
#

And big AoE on big pulls

humble verge
#

just like

#

dont let your bleeds drop

sage basin
#

it's just harder to play in 12s for little reward, if you want to do it, go for it, no one is gonna stop you

humble verge
real pike
#

I do want to do it, that's why I'm asking how to ๐Ÿ™‚

sage basin
#

playing it well won't really pay off in low keys cause stuff is just gonna die too fast anyway

normal mist
# real pike

yeah it does well if you're zeross and know what you're actually doing with that build

iron carbon
sage basin
#

cause 99% of people aren't going to play it well

#

lol

real pike
silent compass
iron carbon
humble verge
#

@winged sun you need to make an opener rota guide for the cleave, well atleast the way youre doing it atleast

iron carbon
#

It's legit a Cleave build

real pike
#

All shivs in KB no dry?

iron carbon
#

I do a dry when I can

real pike
#

Or do you drop the cheeky one in lingering

real pike
iron carbon
#

It does

#

LEmem check my details

west crown
golden loom
#

the shiv damage doesnt add to spatter

iron carbon
#

Can't find juicy Envenom

silent compass
#

Lil adds died to quick

golden loom
#

so outside of it being a supercharged darkest night in lingering sure but shiv doesnt do anything

iron carbon
west crown
real pike
iron carbon
#

But depends the packs I guess

#

Some you wil lwant to do a dry shiv for more prio damages

#

Some, you will keep to put on KB next pack

west crown
#

It's hard to play in 12s because people are essentially near max gear now and everything evaporates

wise plume
#

yeah dont worry about your damage being low in 12's, everything gets atomized at this point

iron carbon
rugged sphinx
#

!macro

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

drifting cedar
#

!signet

#

what was the command for priory trink

normal mist
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
desert pasture
#

which spell do you guys bind hoc to

#

!macro

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

desert pasture
#

i assume death mark?

normal mist
#

its literally written above you

#

๐Ÿ˜›

coral ibex
#

reading

desert pasture
#

doesnt hoc and dmark desync a bit?