assassination

[lyric gate]

why not

not always have to min max everything

when you having fun

[fast phoenix]

cause m+ system is dumb

io score is dumb

raiding is like walkign outside and the birds chirping and the sun shining on your face with a cool brisk breeze

[runic hinge]

I just like playing wow with my friends

Either way it’s fun

[lyric gate]

[fast phoenix]

Thats what i do, theyre just RL friends who are barely getting into mythic raiding, so helping out, less stressful than maxing everything out

was getting burned out

[dawn seal]

[fast phoenix]

thats probably more RNG from your flask than anything tho

[dawn seal]

I think blind side is just rng

not related to crit

isnt it

[fast phoenix]

yeah its just random 15%

[arctic socket]

[fast phoenix]

but haste = moreeee gcds

[arctic socket]

If you stack enough haste

[runic hinge]

Yeah like 2

[arctic socket]

And like get pi by like

9 priests

Infinite energy

[fast phoenix]

there ya go

use that noodle

[arctic socket]

I
Don’t have a noodle

[fast phoenix]

if you dont have a noodle, youll need to do the noodle dance

[arctic socket]

If I had a noodle I would spin it around like a helicopter

Ngl

[lyric gate]

@winged sun you there ?

you play double shiv in top also

or straight sub

[frozen glacier]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[worldly dock]

Hey
Is the bleed build still ok for m+?
or we switch back to Kingsbane one?

[worn geyser]

bleed build good

[worldly dock]

ok nice
Im struggling only a bit on Single Target

[fast phoenix]

extremely normal

hybrid build is only viable in like 17-18+

[worldly dock]

Hybrid is the Kingsbane one?

[fast phoenix]

yeah

[balmy condor]

hybrid is viable always, it's just not better and the single target is kinda the same

the zeross build with FI and shit is more in the spirit of the old cleave builds

and cleave is the one that's not viable until hella high

[fast phoenix]

yeah that ^ he lied through his teeth

[balmy condor]

too many assa builds

it's allg

[royal lantern]

finally

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/omkBQYMiSuDSUGmNMNHgyt

circlet sims lower

its over

fuck that ring

[fast phoenix]

its a great feeling to get rid of it

[solar wyvern]

Imagine. Battleshout

[humble verge]

hmmmm

idk about bleed in a 17 mecha

i feel like it but maybe we need more prio

[fast phoenix]

What bar texture/font are you using?! if ya dont mind

[normal mist]

Assassination rogues be like

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

[humble verge]

crazy high quality gif

[thin portal]

Sin is squishy or is it just me

Squishy splat squishy

I dont die on outlaw but then I'm target capped and ks sucks so its hard choices here

I mean

Sin die from squishyness or outlaw and die from ks

Hello police

I'd like to file a complaint

[runic hinge]

Sorry I filed all complaints allowed for the day

You’ll have to wait for tomorrow

[thin portal]

Ok what time does the complaint office open?

[runic hinge]

Ask Zac. He usually fills the box first thing every day

[median root]

Buy bombsuit with your dinars

[thin portal]

Not a bad idea

Both spec can use haste

[median root]

[thin portal]

Just pop bomb before ks

And pop bomb if taking lots of dmg as sin

I could replace pacemaker with it

[median root]

also you can use it when you get arena in TOP to grief your team

[thin portal]

Umm

No griefing

Use it like we talked for defensive

[median root]

La di da no griefing

Get a load of this guy

[thin portal]

You must also be a key leaver if your not happy too I bet

[balmy condor]

@worthy rose dude I forgot to set my render scale down after flexing my fps and I was wondering why my fans were spinning up so hard

I've been playing 200% render scale

for like 2 weeks

[haughty flicker]

[pastel roost]

bruh

[balmy condor]

[spice surge]

Relative to outlaw and sub ye assa is quite squishy. Its still alright as long as feint works

But when feint doesnt work on a dangerous mechanic its

[balmy condor]

my PC is quiet again

do not do this

life hacks with whispyr

[humble verge]

man

i love mecha

depleted 17 and 16

[balmy condor]

I did notice that I forgot to put some case fans back in though after my rebuild

[humble verge]

i died 7 total times on 3rd boss in those keys

lmao

:3

[balmy condor]

but uhhhhhhhhh

[humble verge]

did you upgrade

[balmy condor]

I don't wanna fucking do that rn

[humble verge]

?

[balmy condor]

not recently

but my mobo exploded a while ago and when I rebuilt I guess I didn't add fans on the top

so I got like 3 fans in the front, 1 out the back

idk it's been fine I'll put in the 3 fans on the top later maybe at some point surely

I'll remember

[pastel roost]

It sounds fine tbh unless you bring in vastly more air than you get out

[balmy condor]

connecting fan headers is aids I wish on not even my biggest opp

I tried to connect to a fan header when I built this pc

my finger slipped

I impaled my index finger on a pin

and then also bent the pin

and had to bend the pin back into shape

AIDS I say

[restive glade]

man ... that would bother me smh my head

[pastel roost]

You gotta pay a little more but a fan hub would mak things easier for you

[pastel roost]

depends of volume of air the back fan get out , sometime it's 3x120 front and 1x140 back so air pressure is positive but not too much :p

[jaunty kayak]

just read that the bug on raidbots is "hopefully" fixed .. so I ran a sim and and my upgraded offhand simmed -5k dps

[balmy condor]

yah kinda except it's 3x 120's on the front panel and a 160 I think on the back

something like that

and then I have space for 3x 120's on the top

but I haven't put them in

not 160

140

idfk

[pastel roost]

Yeah it's most likely fine 😄

[restive glade]

no its not, panic!!! ur pc on fire!!! plug in fans!!!!!!!

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean my CPU and GPU temps are giga low (if I don't have 200% render scale on)

don't think they ever creep over 70-75

big whatever

like even with the insane render scale my gpu was at like 83-84

[restive glade]

fellas ... gf wants me to comment on her ig posts but I aint got shit to say rlly, am i rlly about to ask chatgpt

[pastel roost]

Fortunately wow is not using much of the gpu usualy , so the 200% render scale just made your GPU work like a beast :p

[balmy condor]

yah

my lazy ass 3080ti

GPU is a muscle, train until failure or something

[cerulean walrus]

My lazy ass 4070ti man

[pastel roost]

Dang that's still a beasty card imo

[balmy condor]

upscale my game to 10k you fuckass gpu

[balmy condor]

you could go with a classic and just comment like "nice tits" or somethin

[cerulean walrus]

Whispyr have you considered that maybe it’s not Comcast fucking you it’s that you keep rendering games in 24k?

[pastel roost]

Holy shit your pc must have been toasty

[novel star]

Why do u not have anything to say about the endless beauty of your one and only !!

[balmy condor]

"firm tits, springy ass, makeup is caked asf tho, love you but you're kinda chopped shyt"

will work every time trust me

[novel star]

if someone said this to me i’d kms

[worthy rose]

LOL

[novel star]

not kidding

[cerulean walrus]

Titties? Supple. Booty? Bouncy.

[worthy rose]

youve been putting your gpu in overdrive thats crackup

but at least you know your computer can handle 4k if you ever move up

[balmy condor]

yeah 4k + small prop airplane taking off under my desk

[cerulean walrus]

PC achieving lift

[balmy condor]

try being a content creator

[novel star]

No❤️

i could prolly cook something up with ur mom tho

but i won’t make a career out of it

[restive glade]

being put on the spot - head empty
shitposting/normally - head full

[balmy condor]

I get told to write editorial on state of barbarian

so I write editorial on state of barbarian

what the fuck am I supposed to do with this

[worthy rose]

did u just describe my ideal e-girl

[cerulean walrus]

Just a bloke

[balmy condor]

fucking wowhead commentors

[cerulean walrus]

Get bloked idiot

[novel star]

honey it’s 4pm it’s time to write about d4

[balmy condor]

half these comments are "wtf is the writer talking about, having 4/6 of your buttons auto-picked for you is totally fine and running every shout in the game as a baseline for a barb build is fine, shut up"

and the other half is like "yeah that's shit, agree"

[restive glade]

so i made the decision maybe i should dip guilds after mine has had some attendance/cancelling issues

other mythic prog guilds talk about rotating out dps per bosses sometimes and that sounds fuckin stupid to me bc i want to play but is this normal thing that I just have to accept or find another guild that doesn't do subbing like this

[novel star]

this is normal

[balmy condor]

that's basically required for a mythic raid roster

you can't have a mythic guild with 20 people on roster

just doesn't work

and if you have more than 20 people, someone has to sit

[novel star]

• if you never sit available people then the perma benched never get geared etc

it’s just part of the game

[balmy condor]

ye

[novel star]

tab out and do something else until they get to your boss

[worthy rose]

is it just me having a skill issue

or is playing a rogue fucking diabolical in pugs

[novel star]

yep

[balmy condor]

if the guild is competent you'll be sat for vault slots and stuff as well

[worthy rose]

like assassination has 0 vers in most ideal setups

i get wasted by alot of mechanics

[balmy condor]

like getting everyone a 4 boss vault

[sly spoke]

sup gents sorry for the dumb question but is cyrces still worth it or should i just craft better rings

[worthy rose]

and if healer cant keep up

i just die

[restive glade]

so what is guaranteed? it seems like i have to accept reality that I won't raid every week and 3hrs i dedicate to playing on raid day might just b 1hr

[novel star]

Yeah 100%

[balmy condor]

it is for some, you just have to sim it

[worthy rose]

cyrces circlet will be your ring to use unless you can craft a 681 ring

but you shouldnt craft a 681 ring until you have your other gear all up to spec iirc

[balmy condor]

no it just means you'll be out for a boss here or there

[worthy rose]

sim yourself tho

[balmy condor]

hold on a sec let me show you what our roster looked like earlier this season

[amber brook]

I did the sim and it gave me a 0.0% change

[worthy rose]

yeah dont do anything then in that case

[novel star]

simply be good and you’ll be there on the prog bosses

[worthy rose]

circlet is pretty pog

[worn geyser]

this is not directly rogue related, but I could not find an answer after googling, do any of you guys know a way to bind the 'interact key' on the same keybind as 'extra action button' and 'zone ability button' : for example i want the same keybind to interact with an object to pick it up, but then use the same key to cast whatever ability the interactable object i picked up has

[worthy rose]

no need to rush to replace it

[sly spoke]

my sims gave me small gains with crafted rings but ever since the boost update im kinda struggling with damage somehow

part of me thinks that im playing the double shiv build very wrong or something

[novel star]

press feint no?

rogue has such fucked up defensives man

lock in

[balmy condor]

like this right, we were reclearing up to sprocket, I'm out on vexie to get someone else in for vault, and we get rotated around

we have a fairly small roster

but same concept

[worthy rose]

yeah but feint doenst always help

[balmy condor]

or like on a prog fight it's like okay ahool sits on bandit

[worthy rose]

coz like if you have a pulsing aoe and your healer cant get you

[balmy condor]

and then he's back in to prog mug'zee

[worthy rose]

we have basically nothing outside of cloak of skil

[balmy condor]

and someone else sits on mug

[worthy rose]

i get so fuckin triggered when i run pugs with shitass healers

[restive glade]

so it doesn't suck as much as I thought it seems, I take it this is for reclears, not for prog. or does it include prog as well?

[fast phoenix]

not necessarily true... 671 ring simmed higher for me over cyrce, but its the +1 luck ring

[worthy rose]

i think jastor diamond is in a similar situation

[haughty flicker]

Just be the only rogue and you’re almost always in for prog

[worthy rose]

but outside of those exceptions the circlet generally is one of the best rings

[balmy condor]

well you still only have 20 people progging a fight, so generally there's people that will sit on a fight, and then they're in on the next

[fast phoenix]

yeah i believe youre right for jastor too

[balmy condor]

so like if you aren't in for prog on bandit, you would usually be in for prog on mug'zee

[novel star]

i mean yeah but that’s just a bad healer it’s not a rogue thing or an assassination thing

[restive glade]

other rogue in group is sub and my dps nums higher than him so fck that guy (not actually u get my point tho)

[fast phoenix]

we barely have enough for 20, we had to find a random thursday lol

[worthy rose]

i think assassination feels it more no?

[novel star]

no

[worthy rose]

coz both outlaw and sub stack vers like no tomorrow

[balmy condor]

what double shiv build

bleed?

[worthy rose]

whereas assassination has like 5% vers or less outlaw and sub have like 20+%

thats a 15% damage reduction alone difference

that in itself is like a permanent feint

[spice surge]

Evasion

[novel star]

like i guess maybe but if you’re dying on assassination to unavoidable damage not getting healed you’re probably also dying to the same damage on the other specs

vers is kinda fake news a lot of the time

[worthy rose]

hmm

[spice surge]

Well the damage reduction of vers is only half of the damage increase, so its more like 5%

[novel star]

^

[spice surge]

Its moreso due to them just having 2 extra defensive talents in their tree

[runic hinge]

Just gem for verse you coward

[spice surge]

The vers thing is secondary

[runic hinge]

Straight verse gems and then go PvP

[cerulean walrus]

Just vers flask like a maniac

[runic hinge]

Real based and true

[sly spoke]

nah the spatter one, im tryna move away from bleeds since its not played in higher keys

but either i have wrong gear or im incredibly bad at the build

[spice surge]

Assa gets +3.6% leech, sub gets soul leech and a 10% dr thats up more than half the time (and on demand)

[balmy condor]

oh cleave, sure

what key level are you doing

[sly spoke]

yeah

[runic hinge]

Yeah let’s call it cleave

Good name

[sly spoke]

16-17s im sure bleeds would do the job but i need to learn the build thats been played the most

[runic hinge]

New Chinese tech

Cleave build

[balmy condor]

okay well played "the most" and "the best" are two very different world

but I get it

[restive glade]

what is this chinese tech u speak of (link build)

[balmy condor]

it is a bit difficult to play though

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps#cleave

[fresh kelp]

outlaw plays like 40% vers this tier

it's def a big factor

[runic hinge]

I’m memeing because when bleed build was getting popular people called it new Chinese tech but Whispyr had it in the guild for many seasons already. Cleave in some form which sacrifices aoe in favor of single target and doing your aoe with spatter has also been in the guide for years too.

So basically I’m just telling jokes

[plush gorge]

we still same on latest?

[runic hinge]

Sorry they aren’t funny I’m gonna keep at it

[restive glade]

if u have to explain joke misses the mark 😦

[runic hinge]

Yeah well it’s not my fault you don’t know the context. Try being permanently online more

[west crown]

Is it weird that hybrid is simming higher than bleed for me in ST and Dungeon Slice?

[cerulean walrus]

I got it

[balmy condor]

not necessarily, how much is "higher"

[clever drift]

Hello just hit 80, should i go bleed or hybrid for m+

[humble verge]

just go bleed

[clever drift]

is it because its better or easier?

[humble verge]

probably easier yes

you dont need to care about caustic spatter

[balmy condor]

easier and better for low keys

[humble verge]

the setup for hybrid just does less damage in lower keys

[clever drift]

got it thanks

[west crown]

like 1%, was just under the impression bleed was much better

[balmy condor]

nah they sim basically equal

[humble verge]

im kinda surprised you guys are behind us on prog @balmy condor since you guys did 4 days first 3 weeks

[balmy condor]

sudden demise damage doesn't sim

[balmy condor]

yeah but we did 200 sprocket pulls into 300 bandit pulls

[acoustic kite]

Have you guys tried the forced induction build that’s been floating around? I used to play bleed until I found it, does way more st and pretty equal aoe with no need to target swap

[west crown]

its been doing well in my 14s

[humble verge]

oh yeah forgot about those

funny thing

you guys were infront of us in easter

[balmy condor]

it's in the wowhead guide and we have a command for it in here yes

it's much harder to play and sucks in lower keys

[humble verge]

since we had like 2 raid days instead of 3

and we BARELY killed stix on that wednesday

dont think we even killed sprocket on that monday after

[west crown]

what makes it that much harder? I don't really feel a difference

[humble verge]

ok nvm we did

[balmy condor]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[acoustic kite]

I found it much easier than bleed, same opener every pull with no swap then spam envenom

[balmy condor]

then you're doing something wrong lmao there is no way it's easier

[west crown]

Yeah but "hard" doesn't come to mind with it

[humble verge]

bleed and hybrid literally have the same opener rota on packs

almost

[haughty flicker]

[west crown]

bleed feels faster big burst aoe once CT and ruptures are up

[balmy condor]

you literally just press garrote + rup + ct on bleed

and then phone it in

you have subterfuge to move mark around on stuff

like

it's half the opener but also way harder to fuck up

[west crown]

yeah you do not need to move mark that much lol

[acoustic kite]

Idk it just feels smoother to me, maybe I just sucked at bleed as well

[spice surge]

Idk pretty much regardless of what build i play i feel like the overall is the same or extremely similar

[west crown]

ambush -> fok -> ruptures x2 -> fok envenom spam

[spice surge]

Sure forced induction stuff does more ST

[west crown]

its still the same

[spice surge]

But it does less aoe

[haughty flicker]

i suck equally at everything so it doesnt matter what i play

[west crown]

Idk about less aoe

once mobs live there's no way

[spice surge]

Wdym

[thorn sorrel]

Interesting. Ty

[spice surge]

You have to refresh your ruptures either way

[west crown]

Well first lust pull of the dungeon for example, I'd hit 16 mil vs like 12-13 on bleed. And unless I have deathmark I'm not keeping up with FI in aoe

[thorn sorrel]

Can I see the build? I’m curious

[west crown]

guide

[humble verge]

wait

[thorn sorrel]

Ty!

[humble verge]

whisp, you added zeross' build to the guide?

[balmy condor]

yes

[humble verge]

and just called it

"cleave"

[balmy condor]

I've been supporting a cleave build in the guide since dragonflight

[humble verge]

ah

[balmy condor]

it's in the same spirit

does no one read this fucking thing

man

[humble verge]

nah

i dont

im a dog

[acoustic kite]

This is what I’m using

[spice surge]

Ive been trying to old school cleave build too

And again, pretty much the same shit all around

[balmy condor]

ya

[spice surge]

Not much discernable difference in overalls

[thorn sorrel]

It’s been super helpful bro… super appreciative. Much have missed that FI build. I’ll check it out when I’m back home.

[loud hawk]

but on bleed build on ST you have to stay 150+ energy right

[west crown]

no shiv, no DN, no deathmark, yes

[humble verge]

so i guess, zeross is just basically playing cleave then

[balmy condor]

np, watch this

[balmy condor]

read guide

[normal mist]

"here's a build that is pretty straightforward, deals really good AoE, excellent execute damage and you don't have to worry about kb anymore! You can safely use this up until 17+!!"
Guys doing between 7-12s:
"Yeah but-"

[spice surge]

The best thing about bleed is that you get to pretty much use deathmark on cooldown always

No kingsbane screwing up your timer and even if the boss is slightly too low so it wont live the entire 16 seconds, its kinda fine if it dies after 12-4 because of demise anyway

[worthy rose]

if in doubt

just bleed build it

[normal mist]

"but guys doing +19+20 don't use it!!!"

https://tenor.com/view/straight-face-serious-gif-19589739

[lean plover]

Minor thing but on cleave build it says you lose priority dmg from dropping scent, which in zeross build isnt the case

[worthy rose]

just yolo zeross's recommended build for dummies

[balmy condor]

ruh oh

did the page fucking back-update again

[lean plover]

I mean

[balmy condor]

un-update?

[worthy rose]

@winged sun 's build for dummies

[balmy condor]

de-update?

[lean plover]

people dont read the summary

they wont read that section

hey will ping zeros here and ask

[balmy condor]

I mean I rewrote that section when I updated the build so it shouldn't say that, I took that out

[lean plover]

or ping you

[worthy rose]

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

but sometimes the guide just like

randomly doesn't take changes

idk its been weird this expac

something something versioning something

[worthy rose]

is it the wowhead hosting

whatever server issue there is

[balmy condor]

no we have versioning

[balmy condor]

these buttons

for ptr and live

and when a patch goes live, the PTR database rolls into the live site

and sometimes when that happens my guides explode idk

bit annoying

[lean plover]

Annoying af

[balmy condor]

yeah this entire blurb is the season 1 blurb for the build

[lean plover]

ye i know

[balmy condor]

that's so fucked

[lean plover]

its from the old cleave build

with zoldyck

before ttk changes

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

sigh

let me go fish out the blurb from some random fuck ass changelog

[lean plover]

I wonder how many people actualy read that sectio

[balmy condor]

near no one

2/3rds of guide clicks are on the overview page, scroll to the cheat sheet, and then close the tab

1/3rds of all guide clicks end up going to a different page

[gilded oasis]

i read every word

[haughty flicker]

why would i read the guide when i can just ping you here and ask anyway

[balmy condor]

so like out of 100% of clicks, 30% of them open a different page, which may or may not be the talent page or rotation page

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

and then from there the number of people that actually will scroll down enough is even more diluted

and then you have to think that out of that diluted diluted dilution of players, people would need to do the 3rd build, the least common build

and then read the thing in it

[digital venture]

Hey, can anyone check this results real quick?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tB9rNvpLCzkXm5nGSASuim

So I went in top gear and added Gally hc ring, priory trinket myth and Floodgate myth trinket.
As far as I can see it's suggesting to pick Signet > Pacemaker and only then Ring, is this right or am I doing something wrong / siming it wrong?

[balmy condor]

yeah that's reasonable

[digital venture]

it's also telling me to trash my circlet for the galy ring which makes me sad, I liked it :p

I thought we'd only replace it for 700ilvl rings

[west crown]

turns out 684 is good enough

[tall atlas]

I only have 2 upgrades in the game now, the rik reverb neck but mine is myth track cinder at 4/8 now that I think about it so that’s probs what happened there. And myth jastor

[winged sun]

?

[worthy rose]

just talking about ur recommended build

works gud

[winged sun]

thats not even what i play

[haughty flicker]

[spice surge]

Just play the old school cleave

No complaining about ST here

[quiet junco]

what flask yall use for m+? my stat weights with no flask are crit 47. vers 47. mast45.

[past bobcat]

the no scent of blood

feels bad

[coral ibex]

stat weights have nothing to do with it

[spice surge]

Feels way better to play

Because you dont need 5 ruptures

[lean plover]

dont you lose a shit ton of aoe dmg?

[spice surge]

Depends

[past bobcat]

The ST with the build zeros plays is pre good and you get scent still

you just lose a giga ton of prio without scent

[spice surge]

Sure you dont get +20% agi, but you get execute, which is like 10% on average, and AP makes mobs take +30% damage

[spice surge]

No you dont

[past bobcat]

o

[clever drift]

@balmy condor why use crit enchant on ring instead of mastery one

[past bobcat]

Really?

20% agi isnt that big?

[balmy condor]

sims higher idk

[worthy rose]

this was the build you recommended a while back

[winged sun]

u mean season 1 or

[past bobcat]

@winged sun what are you cooking dawg

lol

[balmy condor]

that's a raid build

[winged sun]

?

[balmy condor]

are we fully high now

[winged sun]

u guys are cooked today

ngl

[past bobcat]

You played this in ToP?

[winged sun]

i only play this in M+ on all keys

the only thing i change are those talents

i literally never touch anything else

[balmy condor]

murlok.io moment

[lethal arrow]

Bro just didn't check what he was using that build for?

Lol

[worthy rose]

when zeross recommended it a while back for this build

not saying you play it right now

[winged sun]

that was before the double shiv cook

wtf cheat death too

that was a long ass time ago

[lean plover]

thats old af

[worthy rose]

think that was last month or something

[lean plover]

might as well go back to beta with zerocool playing cb+follow the blood

[worthy rose]

i cant remember man

[winged sun]

thats more than 1 month ago

[worthy rose]

i dont remember what i had for lunch yesterday

i cant remember these details

[winged sun]

by 2 days

[worthy rose]

can i get another recommended build by based zeross

[winged sun]

this is the final one

[lean plover]

kinda want to try that now on my resi keys

[winged sun]

i tried everything else

nothing works

[worthy rose]

can i get that in a pastable

[winged sun]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmZmxM2mBAAAAAgZB2mBAAAAAg2WGzgZGjZmZZ2mZmBzYGDmZmNLzMDwmZZgBsFsMMDYYB

yea just remove the long shroud talent

[worthy rose]

love u bro

[winged sun]

swap to shadowstep cdr

dont press garrote unless 3-7 mobs in IC

1-7*

u can prob do higher target counts if ur in deathmark

[worthy rose]

sweet

and this build works in mythics up to 15 right

[coral ibex]

dont dm me to ask questions answered in the guide please

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[winged sun]

Rupture is worth using a third time during Indiscriminate Carnage (IC) to spread it to up to 9 targets, especially if mobs are high HP.
→ Spread to new mobs—not ones that already have Rupture.

Garrote is worth using inside IC if:

You can’t fit another Rupture within IC at higher target counts 7-8 targets so at lower target counts you want to garrote as the energy it generates is good to maintain sanguine blades

only shiv at 5 targets or below, unless lingering darkness is up then you can use it at higher target counts
you dont want to press rupture on low hp mobs, rupture does way more dmg than envenom even with this "envenom heavy" build

heres some detailed info

on the build

always remember that u should always like to press garrote at 5-6 combo points in aoe

u kinda dont want to waste combo points that shit only generates 1

[wise plover]

zeross are you using garote for DM targets on packs?

[winged sun]

yea i kinda do

its mainly for prio dmg tho

i wouldn't press it out of deathmark in aoe, its kinda worthless

some of the info could be wrong it was just few sims we did for that build a bit ago

[spice surge]

Or you could read the wowhead guide that says the same things

[winged sun]

[harsh harbor]

can anyone clarify this line a bit

Cast Vanish near the start of Deathmark for Master Assassin and Improved Garrote

so vanish BEFORE deathmark?

or just after casting it

[balmy condor]

during it

but you don't wanna wait until like half your deathmark is gone obviously

so just anywhere at the start of it is fine

[harsh harbor]

awesome, thanks again

[balmy condor]

np

[fast phoenix]

hey zeross what bar texture and font do you have for your details?! looks really clean

[runic hinge]

Source?

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[runic hinge]

Based and true

[winged sun]

[runic hinge]

I wish I had more time to play wow. Maybe I could get to play keys that actually use your build

[silent drift]

what is command

for spreadsheet

[royal lantern]

isnt every guide made up in some way

[winged sun]

i'll prob be the same soon anyway

will quit soon i think

[plush gorge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fast phoenix]

my details will not let me copy paste in lol, very weird

[exotic hearth]

Anyone know why my Kezan is simming higher than Seaforium Pacemaker (same ilvl) for dungeon slice when Kezan is supposedly bad for M+?

[humble verge]

because its simming you for 5 minutes conintunes chain

instead of you being out of combat

[haughty flicker]

if you stay in combat perma is very good

[humble verge]

youre in combat for the whole 5 minutes

but kezan is a raid trinket

people saying otherwise are braindead icl

[haughty flicker]

i mean 20s are being done with full kezans

its a coordinated group trinket

[humble verge]

yeah but, we dont get good value from kezan

thats what i mean

we're the worst choice for kezan imo

[harsh harbor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

Your fans need you

[humble verge]

it just gets boring depletoooooo

ive been there last season

[loud hawk]

how much minutes is a pack in +15 in average so i can adjust my cooldowns

[frank trench]

if you have two rogues with bleed build does the bleed execute work the same

[coral ibex]

no

[frank trench]

does it stack?

[coral ibex]

no

one rogue gets the proc per mob

[frank trench]

okcool

[sullen mural]

2 rouges in 1 group sounds aids enough

[harsh tartan]

at what key lvl do you suggest to switch from bleed build to prio if ever?

[buoyant herald]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[buoyant herald]

the command says 17s but some people have anecdotally had success a bit lower

[harsh tartan]

idk the bleed damage is too tempting to ever drop =))

[buoyant herald]

there's a couple of things the cleave build does well and it's kinda because those things ONLY line up / are required in those higher keys

so like yeah, go play it in your 13s for fun

you'll probably lose a tonne of trash damage but not feel like a dead weight on bosses

[sullen mural]

I love when my kingsbane dm target just dies before kingsbane finished ticking because its just a 13

[buoyant herald]

actually the reason why i jumped on bleed build asap when it got a bit more popularised, man that feeling sucks

[harsh tartan]

but is it really have lower st? sims dont show much dif

[sullen mural]

Yup as soon as bleed got more popular i insta swapped i couldnt be asked to kingsbane a target anymore and it dying halfway through

[buoyant herald]

the zeross build does decent boss damage, the "old" hybrid build does about the same as bleed

[harsh tartan]

if you get to some bosse's that you can snapshot a 2 target CT it will surely be better on st isnt that true? and even with pure st its not that much of a dif !

[buoyant herald]

mayyybe but what boss are you thinking off? remember zeross build still takes CT

kinda depends what you mean by not that much difference as well

[keen spruce]

you can have success with anything lower because it's lower

[sullen mural]

He's right

[buoyant herald]

yeah of course

but some people may read a command and contiue to live in a contextless world

[keen spruce]

I mean the context is that bleed is better

unless you're at a key level that you wouldn't be asking

[serene solar]

If I wanted to swap to sub for final boss of rookery, when do you tele out?

[keen spruce]

which is the spirit of what the bot is saying

[buoyant herald]

i don't know if you're trying to add to or vaguely argue with what i said lol

can't win

say 17 and someone will pipe up saying well ackchaully i used it on a 15 and i was top dps so...

say use it anywhere and someone will say what you did lol

[keen spruce]

idk i'm just yappin

[buoyant herald]

me too

[keen spruce]

[buoyant herald]

i need to say less and let the bot have it's time in the sun

[keen spruce]

simp

[buoyant herald]

i do simp the robots

so when they eventually take over im the last to die

[rotund oak]

[haughty flicker]

exactly

pascals wager but with ai takeover

[runic hinge]

[wise plume]

about to do my first +15 and hopefully not cremate it

aaaand the tank fucked it

[buoyant herald]

hey congrats you achieved your goal

[wise plume]

i was worried i was going to cremate it

but the tank took a backshot and crumbled

[keen spruce]

[visual jolt]

How about ST for bleed build? 👀

[balmy condor]

What about it

[haughty flicker]

what about love

[visual jolt]

Any way to improve it? Shit puts me off playing unless I'm doing something wrong

[balmy condor]

Play not bleed

But that’s literally the point

Assa ST sucks unless you go heavy into ST

And ST doesn’t matter for shit until higher keys

[buoyant herald]

you make peace with the fact that theres nothing you can do

or reroll idk

[balmy condor]

I mean you can just trade the aoe for st I guess

[buoyant herald]

if you can't handle me when im bleeding, you don't deserve me when im spattering

[balmy condor]

But it all does roughly the same dps overall

[haughty flicker]

i just use boss fights as time to talk shit

[buoyant herald]

like...to yourself?

[haughty flicker]

also i still somehow beat pugs in st so

[buoyant herald]

lol

[visual jolt]

Hahha

[haughty flicker]

nah because i only have overall details open

so i cant see the st damage

[junior fjord]

Is simc bug fixed ? or still there's problem in augmentation

[haughty flicker]

banner is gone so i assume so

[balmy condor]

Banner gone and pin updated

[junior fjord]

Thx a lot

[haughty flicker]

yeah but i dont read pins

whispyr make cube sale start

[sharp viper]

time to do a lot of sims again

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-gif-15190379

[gentle belfry]

Can crafted pieces be converted to tier?

[haughty flicker]

nope

[gentle belfry]

tyty

[river ginkgo]

there any way to make the details breakdown group damage like raidbots does? for example: sanguine blades is its own line in details breakdown

[copper flare]

so is is just forced induction now ? or just a high tier thing

[left pine]

Guys are this simmed gear stats ok? Started playing outlaw and now "have to" play sin. Simming 2.4

This is the sim, anything I can improve? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/afCMg1sZEZzdsEV3BFMxSu

Ofc spent bullion on M stix trinket and then RL told me to please go sin

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[sharp viper]

why do you "have to" play assa?

[red moat]

why do i do such low caustic spatter damage in rik reverb? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/cfC4HgAYm72hqBtZ/8dzPwv1bAxQ9C6p2?fight=26&type=casts&source=548%2C449&view=timeline heres the comparisons https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/cfC4HgAYm72hqBtZ/8dzPwv1bAxQ9C6p2?fight=26&type=damage-done&source=548%2C449&target=650%2C554

[sharp viper]

#assassination message check this pin, positioning might be a factor

[left pine]

Low dmg on Sprocketmonger as outlaw need to play fatebound and maybe they are scared of KSpree on Last 2 bosses

[balmy condor]

@red moat do not check that pin, the positioning is not a factor, it’s literally just barrels being giga rng and if the boss is on them you get big cleave and if it’s not then you don’t

[sharp viper]

[balmy condor]

Rik is not even remotely large enough for that pin to matter

Idk why people keep thinking that

[red moat]

wait so im really confused because my guild wants me to do more damage to barrels in mythic

im just trying to figure out how to do that

[sharp viper]

I honestly have no clue how big his hitbox is in terms of yards/meters/whatever the ingame measurement is

[balmy condor]

Lucky for you

We have a pin

No

We don’t

We have a command

[amber brook]

Its called not your problem

[sharp viper]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[amber brook]

can we have one for stix as well

[sharp viper]

wouldn't be that almost exactly the same

holy I can't words

[amber brook]

it is

[balmy condor]

Regardless, caustic is just 12 yards from what you’re hitting and assa wont do barrel damage and it’s literally so late in the season and we just got an extra gajillion ilvl if your guild is having issues with barrels tell your ranged dps to get their head out of their ass and hit their buttons

[amber brook]

but someone will ask

[sharp viper]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[red moat]

ok tyvm appreciate the help

[balmy condor]

G

L

Ranged suck

[left pine]

You are speaking holy words!

[sharp viper]

very fun on sprocketmonger/OAB if they do

[red moat]

i got sent this

[balmy condor]

yeah

[red moat]

:/

[balmy condor]

you are hitting barrels

with caustic

:)

alternatively

swap barrels for a pull or two

and then loudly queue your mic and go

WAS THAT BETTER

DID I DO IT DAD

[amber brook]

swap to far ones when ranged exists

[balmy condor]

AM I GOOD NOW

DID I DO BIG DAMAGE

and then your raid lead will open the logs

see that you still don't do shit to the barrels

[red moat]

ok clarification they dont want me to not prio boss but they wanna know why my caustic spatter is so low

[balmy condor]

and maybe stop being a dumbfuck

[red moat]

compared to other rogues

[balmy condor]

barrel rng

it's just

barrel rng

it's 12 yards from the boss

if boss not on barrel, no do barrel dam

have good spawn

[inland dirge]

tell the rest of your guild to stop hitting barrels and watch your caustic go way up

[balmy condor]

move boss on barrel

[inland dirge]

crazy tech

[balmy condor]

gg

[sharp viper]

sounds like that raid lead will call out for him to save CDs for barrels

[runic hinge]

yeah it can be a tank thing

[balmy condor]

like it's literally just not in your control

[red moat]

so i could suggest moving the boss to barrels more?

[balmy condor]

I mean sure you could but that won't magically solve things

you don't wipe on rik because a 3-clump in melee isn't dying

you wipe on rik because the one barrel out in fucking africa isn't dying

[sharp viper]

that can help a bit but don't know if tanks are willing/capable of doing that

[balmy condor]

and that's like, not even an assa thing

[golden loom]

Feel like at this point in the patch the barrles would just go kaboom?

[balmy condor]

that's just bad ranged

that is the sub-text to this whole convo yes

[buoyant herald]

New strat, tank moves boss to Africa barrel

[balmy condor]

we're 25 ilvl higher than the first kills of rik

[buoyant herald]

Lazy ass ranged can continue cleaving triple stack

[balmy condor]

if barrels aren't dying

[haughty flicker]

My guild still wipes to rik if I don’t play sub

[balmy condor]

it's literally just shitters

idk

[haughty flicker]

[gusty mirage]

let me guess, they opened up wcl, clicked assa rogue logs and looked at the top parses

[inland dirge]

it's me i'm shitters btw

[gusty mirage]

and were like wow look at all this caustic damage these guys are doing!

not realizing that it's confirmation bias at it's finest

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[red moat]

ok i will relay my new found knowledge i appreciate everyones help

[gusty mirage]

tell your RL to make all the barrels spawn on the boss

ez fix

[haughty flicker]

Yeah like I don’t get the issue

[inland dirge]

bad barrel rng? wipe the raid and go next

[haughty flicker]

Just get giga spawns

[gusty mirage]

dw they're wiping anyway because their ranged don't know how to do their job

[jolly heath]

also remember to save shiv for barrels incase they are near boss

[balmy condor]

wait a second

[balmy condor]

these are heroic logs

no?

[red moat]

yeah i was testing

[balmy condor]

you're wiping to heroic?

[red moat]

in heroic

[balmy condor]

oh

[red moat]

but i understand

its completely different

they wanted me to test before next run

[balmy condor]

💀

dude what

[gusty mirage]

did they actually ask why you're not doing as much caustic damage as this other rogue?

[balmy condor]

it's the middle of may and your raid leader is giving you homework for rik?

that's fucking diabolical

[inland dirge]

insane work

[coral ibex]

getting griefed by ranged on rik

[gusty mirage]

like the answer is right there

in front of them

[coral ibex]

[red moat]

well they just compared my heroic logs because admittedly i was griefing and letting caustic drop off before

[gusty mirage]

1000 less hits "why aren't you doing as much damage?"

[red moat]

but i tried heroic and didnt let it drop off

[gusty mirage]

[red moat]

and they were wondering why it was still so low

[coral ibex]

could be anything really

[sharp viper]

[haughty flicker]

How was caustic dropping off

[inland dirge]

honestly it's impossible to know

[haughty flicker]

There’s a deeper issue here

[red moat]

was swapping to barrels

losing rupture probably

if i had to guess

[haughty flicker]

Oh well I mean

[balmy condor]

[haughty flicker]

If you’re not hitting boss caustic means fuck all

[red moat]

but for my heroic runs i didnt let it drop off once and my dmg ws still so low

[balmy condor]

my sides man

[gusty mirage]

yea it's all rng

if the barrels spawn on boss, you'll do great

if they spawn in narnia

[balmy condor]

the stories from "casual raid guilds" sometimes are so insane

[red moat]

i see

thanks a lot

[inland dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-shaquille-tnt-laugh-gif-19368605

[gusty mirage]

asking you to run to them is wild

this is up there with my raid leader making me play indiscriminate carnage and iron wire on dathea because our prot pally couldn't wait 2s to press divine toll

[inland dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/chunk-the-groundhog-chunk-groundhog-staring-staring-into-camera-gif-16517785

[sharp viper]

"just use your shadowstep "

[gusty mirage]

same guy made me pull anduin for an entire month before offering to bench me

[inland dirge]

sickening tbh

[sharp viper]

I hope you're in a witness protection program now

[gusty mirage]

after like 200 pulls he goes "hey man you don't sound very happy, do you want to be benched for anduin?"

I was like no fuck you

you made me suffer

[inland dirge]

perhaps even legally actionable idk

[gusty mirage]

I earned this fucking kill

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-mandalorian-laugh-cry-gif-21495683

[runic hinge]

SAME

[balmy condor]

my guild pulling one armed bandit for the 290th time

hey whispyr, you don't seem happy lately

no shit

[haughty flicker]

Aintnoway

No wonder you don’t play anymore

[inland dirge]

fwiw that one sub pull made me very happy at least ty4ys

[humble verge]

wait wtf

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/ohno-meme-monkey-ohno-ohno-monkey-ohno-emote-ohno-twitch-emote-gif-119989999548046247

[humble verge]

are you guys reclearing

[balmy condor]

I live to give content

[balmy condor]

HELL no

[humble verge]

had to be sure ffs

[gusty mirage]

I was actually in the world of warcraft equivalent of guantanamo bay

[humble verge]

mugzee jail

[balmy condor]

you'd think with 297 pulls of bandit that we've been reclearing since before christ

but no

that's one kill

[inland dirge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/381520882608373761/1119696478621929653/guy_in_jar.gif

[humble verge]

[buoyant herald]

What’s going on man that’s a lot of pulls

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr of the Destroyed Mental*

[sharp viper]

[humble verge]

whisp's guild is just straight ass

[gusty mirage]

WOAH

that's toxic

[inland dirge]

rude

[buoyant herald]

Like you killed sprocket so there’s some baseline level of ability tho

[haughty flicker]

We had someone quit over sprocket, I can’t wait for oab

[gusty mirage]

put me in coach

[humble verge]

im surprised compared to nerub

[gusty mirage]

(don't do this)

[sharp viper]

we didn't kill OAB yet but that fight just boils down to ranged doing their mechanics as far as I can tell, pretty boring for melee

[humble verge]

this tier is in theory

MUCH easier

[inland dirge]

OAB was definitely a giga tilter for a bit

[runic hinge]

I remember watching whisps stream when their priest figured out he was going to the wrong platform after 200 pulls of queen

[humble verge]

ofcourse

there will always be a wall

[haughty flicker]

He whispered me complaining about ranged being terrorists with drills

[humble verge]

to be climbed

[haughty flicker]

And quit the next day

[balmy condor]

turns out when the guild officers do 0 raid prep for two tiers and then our roster explodes cause we're so dogshit awful, and the replacements are obviously worse, and then no one preps cause if the raid lead doesn't why should the raiders, and then you walk into a literal prep fight and decide to straight up wing the entire thing, YOU DO NOT KILL THINGS

[humble verge]

its true tho

[buoyant herald]

Ah yeah that’ll do it

[gusty mirage]

nah this is fake news

[humble verge]

ah no wonder 2 bosses 500 wipes

ok

understandable

[inland dirge]

idk blind prog kinda based

[buoyant herald]

We had to replace most of our healers this tier but otherwise been stable

[sharp viper]

my condolences

[humble verge]

your guild has the same way of doing stuff my former 2/8 guild is doing raid

[balmy condor]

I remember being in whispyrs raid when we had a warrior queue his mic after 115 pulls on jailer and go "OH THERES A THIRD ROW OF HOLES"

[sharp viper]

but if OAB was this much pain, how is mugzee progress going?

[balmy condor]

much better

[gusty mirage]

I remember that rant

[balmy condor]

cause I beat my raid leader senseless and told him to stop being a stupid jackass

(not really but kinda)

[humble verge]

mugzee is comparably easier

icl

oab is just pain

[buoyant herald]

I like mugzee, it’s cool

[humble verge]

we shouldve killed oab much earlier

[buoyant herald]

Shame I’m bench spec for it 😭

[humble verge]

same with sprocket

but were just ass

why are you benched for mugzee

[buoyant herald]

Because one of our officers rerolled rogue mid tier

[left pine]

Mugzee really easier the OAB?

[sharp viper]

doesn't do enough damage inside of the goon cages

[gusty mirage]

lmao

what the fuck

[balmy condor]

much

[gusty mirage]

you got benched for an officer reroll?

[humble verge]

you guys go into the cages?

smh

[inland dirge]

welfare check?

[buoyant herald]

I did

[gusty mirage]

[buoyant herald]

I even got one night of prog in to fill an absence

[sharp viper]

had to on heroic at the start of the season

[humble verge]

our officer benched himself so somebody else could get the mugzee kill, but then our monk had to go to work like 40 minutes before raid end, and he got the kill 2 pulls later 😭

[inland dirge]

i think rerolling rogue might be good cause for an involuntary hold in my state

[buoyant herald]

Did 200k dps more on average

Back to bench

[gusty mirage]

yeah imagine voluntarily signing up for this pain

[humble verge]

if u get benched by an officer

thats kinda cringe

[balmy condor]

are you an officer though?

[buoyant herald]

Only on details 😎

[balmy condor]

kek

[sharp viper]

are you?

[patent gust]

Pacemaker or eye

[gusty mirage]

change your details name to Officer Dingleberry

see if they catch on

[balmy condor]

no

if I was the discord would've gone up in flames already

[humble verge]

ok so tell me

[gusty mirage]

I'd come back for officer whispyr in DOMS

[sharp viper]

how would they see his details name if he is benched

[buoyant herald]

I say mid tier but I was more like after heroic before myth prog

[humble verge]

if rogue is the least played class in the game

[gusty mirage]

straight outta retirement

[inland dirge]

danger to self? check. grave disability? debatable

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chess-win-gif-17584376170894933930

[buoyant herald]

But still, bit rude imo

[humble verge]

why is assa 1 out of 7 specs that have more than 1k parses on mugzee mythic

🧐

[balmy condor]

the shit I say in public would be a church choir in comparison to the shit I'd be sayin in /o

[buoyant herald]

We also had another rogue who saw that happen and immediately rerolled LOL

He saw it coming

[sharp viper]

does this discord count as "public"?

[lyric bough]

hey guys, fairly new to assa. playin bleed build. do i spam crimson tempest an aoe or just use it once on every aoe pull?

[balmy condor]

yes

[gusty mirage]

once, refreshing as needed

[balmy condor]

it's a bleed, you maintain it and fill with envenom like normal

[runic hinge]

Rogue is the least played class but the highest representation ratio of players to high end content. Aka if you play rogue you probably do hard end game stuff

[lyric bough]

thx man

[humble verge]

i am hard

😎

[gusty mirage]

aka if you play rogue you like playing wow on hardmode*

fixed that for you

[runic hinge]

I do

[sharp viper]

I'd pay to watch that being streamed tbh

[balmy condor]

oxi what's the build for 3.26

[buoyant herald]

I just think it’s neat

[gusty mirage]

leveling a rogue is legit the shittiest experience ever in world of warcraft

[runic hinge]

I love playing rogue

[humble verge]

i am hardmode

😎

[gusty mirage]

idk hit me up in 2026 when it drops

[haughty flicker]

I swapped to rogue because I thought stealth was cool in wpvp

Then never did any wpvp

[gusty mirage]

trickster probably getting nuked tho

[haughty flicker]

But got stuck here

[humble verge]

thats why you do it 8 years ago, and just keep on playing the class

[buoyant herald]

Most other melee feels bad to me after rogue

[gusty mirage]

SURELY assassin rework

[buoyant herald]

WW ok

[balmy condor]

wait, 3.26..... 2026....

[inland dirge]

delete nimble flurry

[humble verge]

i was asked to play warrior in bfa

[balmy condor]

he's cookin

[runic hinge]

We need another spriest rework

[humble verge]

that didnt happen

[runic hinge]

It’s been too long

[haughty flicker]

Fury was meh when I played it

[buoyant herald]

Mind link buffed to 32%

[sharp viper]

still true to this day - probably more fun to buy a gold leveling boost and do chores

[haughty flicker]

I do unironically enjoy ret though