#assassination

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quiet oar
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It is the wrong spec

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if you have a castbar

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frfr

strange tundra
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idk i heard like ww monk etc idk

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i just dont know the other classes very well

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to see what an imba comp would be with rogue

lyric gate
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play druid tank

rotund oak
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which pumps like a mfker

quiet oar
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Fire literally a non caster

spice spire
lyric gate
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never seen a mage that pumps outside of youtube

rotund oak
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like cmon this is boring

quiet oar
spice spire
strange tundra
rotund oak
pseudo siren
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No mythic kills so I’m ineligible for jastor and house of cards. Timed 12s in m+. I’m looking mostly for best performance in m+.

grim jay
rotund oak
quiet oar
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WO MEINE BRATWURST

strange tundra
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2 tries ML both tanks died to tank buster 1st boss (both tanks were different)

grim jay
quiet oar
grim jay
strange tundra
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FL* not ML

spice spire
# strange tundra FL* not ML

Fwiw big momma hits like a truck. And you already have to passively cycle defensives. It also depends on what tank

strange tundra
spice spire
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But even in like a 12 that domes me for 60% without a defensive

strange tundra
spice spire
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That boss literally does nothing to the tank

strange tundra
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idk how they died on it

spice spire
indigo sphinx
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Idk I swear I have seen more tanks fall over randomly this tier than ever before

spice spire
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That’s because tanks actually have to do shit now

indigo sphinx
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That's why I have to cuck Mr Ronkley into tanking my keys

spice spire
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Like first boss on priory

strange tundra
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both were DH

spice spire
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I’m praying to god

spice spire
indigo sphinx
spice spire
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Yeah we’re both warriors

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But it’s uh

indigo sphinx
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You know its tight when he gasps

spice spire
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You run out of defensives at a certain point

indigo sphinx
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Yeee

spice spire
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And then you just pray your healer has an external

strange tundra
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just play prot pala

spice spire
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Then by next you have wall again and can cycle back

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But that boss is my 9/11 four eels

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Then I try to do the next pull forget all defensives are exhausted and wipe

royal lantern
spice spire
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If you can hit 2 ur chuckling

royal lantern
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use ranged ability to pull the 3rd pack->"wait a sec, it still says 23sec"

spice spire
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2 tolls come out and absolutely rip my ass

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GG

strange tundra
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take aderal

royal lantern
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btw quake, if you wanna know tank fun

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wanna know what happens when the +10 pug in floodgates kills the small guy on the 2nd boss

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while the big guy is at 70%

strange tundra
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70%? LOL

spice spire
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You just get tank bustered over and over again

quiet oar
royal lantern
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the tankbusters speed up, at some point he does them every 0,5 sec OMEGAKEKW

quiet oar
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wait

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what

spice spire
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Which as a warrior isn’t a huge deal

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It’s not great

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But I’ve had a 50% bront

spice spire
royal lantern
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so i was spamming frenzied regen every gcd to stay alive

quiet oar
spice spire
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I’ve enjoyed tanking this season. There’s a few skill checks and I’ve failed most but smiledoge

quiet oar
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Absolutely getting blasted by the Braunpike dude

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before last boss in Priory

grim jay
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Bdk in shambles

spice spire
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Also first cinderbrew pull

quiet oar
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True

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Just press more Ignore Pain

spice spire
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Every time I am below 30% on ignore pain my weak aura auto opens up a feed of Val’s instagram and the only way to make it go away is to keep pressing IP

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I gotta ignore it one way or another

quiet oar
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Stop being a damage goon

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more ignore pain and shield block

haughty flicker
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counterpoint

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execute

quiet oar
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You dont use execute as Prot warrior outside of raid dont you?

lyric gate
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warrior discord or what

indigo sphinx
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Idk I just hear cries of "demolish" in Irish during my keys

spice spire
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You 100% execute

quiet oar
spice spire
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Ye

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It’s not often

quiet oar
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i was lied to

spice spire
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But it’s definitely a thing you do

quiet oar
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i sometime did, when having spare rage

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But prot warrior is so chill

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Blood DK is like a struggle

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and DH is also chillin

spice spire
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Prot warrior is chill until priory

quiet oar
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Healer Problem

spice spire
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I wish I trusted dps enough to go right

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But

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There’s also a very cringe overlap with the mage

quiet oar
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Never trust DPS

spice spire
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But the mage makes that fight a joke

spice spire
quiet oar
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Funny

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in my last Floodgate on my DK

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i was DPS #2

median pine
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!poison

frank trench
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Oooo I finally feel like I am doing it. kinda understanding class well enough 80% average parse in heroic. Still doing meh on fights with a lot of adds but feels good. 1 more 13 and I’m 3k. Thanks for all the help this season with new class fam.

spice spire
fluid dust
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!fuu

spice spire
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I pugged a mage for a rat 10 and I beat them in dps when we were the same ilvl

quiet oar
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that were behind me

quiet oar
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in a Floodgate 10

spice spire
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Chungus pumps tho fwiw

quiet oar
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I mean i had 11 Million DPS in the first pull

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Blood beast went brrr

spice spire
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Love Chungus

ember mural
real pike
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nah I'm not in the prio list for my guild

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we're also extending lockout so not reclearing OAB

lean plover
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Oh if you csn buy myth hoc

lyric gate
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sims 2k dps more then myth priory

lean plover
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then go myth hoc

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guaranteed mastery too, dont have to think about seaforium/pot fucking your signet

real pike
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yeah truee that is big

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I also expect other signet users will be moving to other trinkets with dinars

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although I actually have no idea how impactful that part of the effect is

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I don't even have a mythic signet it's only hc

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so looks like an easy first dinar choice

royal lantern
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guardian almost never uses Maul outside of raids

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which is like

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imagine assa without using envenom lol

quiet oar
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Assa without Envenom is just Ass

royal lantern
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tbf, looking at guardians spec tree makes you depressed

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lmao

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those poor bears should be at blizz hq throwing shit at the wall

red schooner
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Become the laserbear

royal lantern
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"yeha, that 1 hero tree needs Lunar Beam"->Lunar beam is a fucking capstone behind multiple mediocre talents

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30% difference bettwen Elunes Chosen and Druid of the Claw in raids btw

red schooner
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I tried bear on my feral for some rat keys, moonfire was my top damage which was wild

royal lantern
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i mean ye, if youu play elunes chosen it is, cus everything there buffs moonfire

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and it spreads by itself etc....

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its kinda the point, its just incredible how ass lunar beams posioning is in the spec tree for a talent that is literally a hard requirment for he entire hero tree

royal lantern
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like, it has good talents in front of it

golden loom
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Yeah just feels bad that such a mid feeling talent is mandatory

royal lantern
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like, cooldblood for fatebound is atleast a "choice" (just that the other option sucks)

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lunar beam is literally a hard requirment cus the entire tree is based around lunar beam and buffing moonfire lol

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its sooooo fucking weird lol

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that entire tree is such a trainwreck

sharp viper
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I feel for you, furry rogue

royal lantern
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After the Wildfire gated by 3 bad points

Pulverize/Raze not really any options

Tooth and Claw cant be picked in m+

man it sucks lol

royal lantern
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and i didnt even bring up how janky the tierset and druid of the claw is btw

sharp viper
vital cradle
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I'm simming, looking at upgrades with this new ilevel bump. it feels like assassination scaling is not too great this tier. Is this accurate, or are all the classes just not scaling that much?

red schooner
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Don't mention the scaling word we're still recovering from earlier

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Also, sin sims lower it just be that way

fallow canopy
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just go dracthyr for more scales lmao even xla

vital cradle
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I noticed this too. I sim higher as outlaw on single target, even in my assassination gear, just swapping out the weapon. Is there a bug? or APL is a little off?

red schooner
vital cradle
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or just some sim artifact?

red schooner
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Not sure if that's the whole reason but that's part of it

vital cradle
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yeah, on the dummy, my outlaw dps isn't as good as assassination

red schooner
vital cradle
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This could be the case as well

grim jay
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And sims are no indicator for actual performance

sharp viper
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gonna play demo lock now

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cause it sims like 500k above my assa sims

grim jay
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Demo could sim 5m higher and I wouldnt touch that spec

sharp viper
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Oh I love demo, it just sims so much higher than would ever be possible in a realistic scenario

red schooner
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Don't believe the lies

scarlet orbit
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Sims should only be compared in the same spec for what gear to equip and not to compare specs or even classes.

vital cradle
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I'm only considering outlaw because assassination feels a little slow in raid fights. I feel energy starved any time there are no adds. But outlaw is a vers spec, and they don't usually scale that well, so I'm concerned that they look reasonably close now, but after the ilevel bump, outlaw is going to fall behind.

royal lantern
# sharp viper i get tilted whenever I see assa tier set, it's like that for 90% of specs I ass...

so the thing is

the guardian 2set is "when you take dmg, you can get your big deff cd for 4seconds"

the 4set is "when you got that proc, your next 9 abilitys trigger a random other druid ability at 125% strenght"

aka you sometimes get a deff proc, and when that happens you do some passive bonus dmg

now comes the "funny" part

if you play druid of the cringe, you must play fluid form (you instantly shapeshift when using cat/moonkin/guardian abilitys into their forms instead of having to manualy shift) because that shity hero tree has you shifting bettwen bear and cat sometimes

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BUT when you play fluid form, sometimes the 4set effect can just turn you into cat form when it triggers a feral ability

royal lantern
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and like, randomly turning into cat form while actively tanking is.....lets say NOT great

vital cradle
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who doesn't like being a cat

red schooner
red schooner
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Cos that ain't a cat it's a flat

royal lantern
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like, yeha you want to swap as druid of the claw sometimes

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but like

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controlled

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when it works

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not randomly

quiet oar
limpid flume
jade abyss
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!build

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what was the command for that bleed buidl explanation x) ?

rose inlet
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!builds

prisma monolithBOT
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Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

  1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
  2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

  • Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
  • Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
  • Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
  • Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
subtle tundra
midnight mist
strange tundra
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@midnight mist im almost there

midnight mist
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where

strange tundra
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your work

spice spire
midnight mist
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This isn't scary at all

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I'm off in 1 h

midnight mist
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She looked goofy like this guy

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Fun gal no cap

strange tundra
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if u see black 1997 toyota prius

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thats me

midnight mist
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okok

arctic socket
spice spire
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Real

strange tundra
spice spire
strange tundra
spring stream
spice spire
arctic socket
spice spire
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What a goofball

spring stream
midnight mist
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i see

arctic socket
hidden bay
strange tundra
subtle tundra
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he is small fragile and hawt

royal lantern
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🧀

brazen sluice
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is bfa enchants today?

spice spire
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Next week

lethal arrow
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and uncapped crests

red schooner
lean plover
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u will not

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its why i hate valorstone, either u sre capped and cant spend, or u need upgrades and cant get them fast enough

nova aspen
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defnitely not

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valorstones the new bottleneck

lean plover
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2 currencies for upgrades is so stupid

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i already need crests

coral ibex
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but if ur farming crests you will also get valorstones no?

nova aspen
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yea its like 150 per timed key?

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i think

red schooner
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And I'm capped

nova aspen
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actually it might be ok

red schooner
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So, we pray

winged quail
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valorstones are horrid on fresh alts when world activities give crests but no stones

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once you start raiding/doing dungeons they stop existsing

red schooner
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But yeah I have enough lower crests to log in on Wednesday and get 413 gilded kekdog

lean plover
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how many crests will i need to fully upgrade my gear

nova aspen
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30 per item

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times 14 slots?

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or w/e

lean plover
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assuming its 678 ye

nova aspen
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does the discount kick in at 675 ilvl for the main?

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or only alts?

lean plover
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ill need around 500 then

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so around 25 +12s

winged quail
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worth doing the crafts first since they don't get a discount, will save you a few crests probably

lean plover
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Oh then i will need a lot less 😄

red schooner
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Or close enough to it

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Then the rest I just slam and watch as the valorstone balance rapidly dwindles

royal lantern
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fuck valorstones

lean plover
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is achievement 675 ilvl avg, or 675 on every slot?

royal lantern
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such a ussules currency

red schooner
lean plover
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oh

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im a lot closer then

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just need to recraft braces and ring

red schooner
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It was every slot last season so I ain't sure why they swapped it this season

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But, I'll take it

lean plover
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rng purposes i guess

royal lantern
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i need a mythic chest at some point lmao

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heroic chest holding me back so hard for weeks now

lethal arrow
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praying for heroic jastors in vault

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or mythic pacemaker

viscid spear
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Hoping for a good piece in Vault then

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!up

viscid spear
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Does this need to be updated?

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And could I still do the full set of 12s before I buy something?

coral ibex
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what do you mean

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it checks if you have unlocked resilient keystones afaik

viscid spear
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So I could hammer out 12s this week and then buy something? There wasn't a time restraint?

coral ibex
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yes

pliant remnant
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Of course there's no time restraint lmao

coral ibex
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you will still have to complete 4 keys

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to do the chip quest

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after reset

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prob dont have to be 12's if you already have them timed tho

pliant remnant
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Pretty sure you can just do LFR for the quest if you want

viscid spear
pliant remnant
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I don't think even Blizzard would be that malicious

hoary mist
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See general I had a similar question, I think it's same day if you complete the requirements

pliant remnant
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You think what's same day

viscid spear
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I only have 10s across the board, was wondering if I could hammer out all 12s and then buy a Myth track item in the same week

pliant remnant
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Yes

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You can get the chips no matter what keys or raid you've done, I'm pretty sure

coral ibex
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NA up

pliant remnant
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You just do the weekly and get the chips

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and then if you do your 12s after it, the M+ Myth track items unlock

viscid spear
pliant remnant
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I am aware

viscid spear
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No, you are Peter

coral ibex
pliant remnant
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Hoooly

humble verge
pliant remnant
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BIS cloak Pog?????

humble verge
coral ibex
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no

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i need less crit

humble verge
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also those boots arent that bad

coral ibex
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and more mastery

pliant remnant
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You still use Chips to buy below Myth track items so dunno what we're replying to

humble verge
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im using them myself

coral ibex
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or my signet and circlet wont work properly

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i have too much crit

humble verge
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me when im over DR

pliant remnant
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How do people end up with that much crit

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Mine's like 7k behind my Mastery, I think

coral ibex
humble verge
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and/or bad rings

pliant remnant
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Crit comes from Crit gear?

humble verge
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nah

pliant remnant
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waow

humble verge
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i wish

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i just wanna kill gally

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so i can steal a hero jastor

pliant remnant
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I'mma just snag a House of Cards, 'cause it's my best upgrade at the mo

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and hope we kill Gally in 3 weeks' time

humble verge
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i got champ hoc first week

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was nice

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but then everyone got hero :(

coral ibex
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yup another socket

humble verge
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but then i got signet myth :)

pliant remnant
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I've got Myth track Signet on two alts

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because it's always the main

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that wants it the most

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that doesn't get the chase item

humble verge
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you guys play alts?

pliant remnant
golden loom
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I have not played my warrior at all this season, kinda just raid logging cause there are so many games to play

restive glade
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poopoo

humble verge
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waiting for d3 season start

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😴

pliant remnant
humble verge
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wait wtf

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i have 1 week of free nitro

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when did this happen

golden loom
humble verge
humble verge
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drinking bebsi

restive glade
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are we even able to get horrific vision head enchants yet

golden loom
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No

coral ibex
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soon...

hidden bay
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@balmy condor where vault

clever sparrow
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!chain

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!chainpull

prisma monolithBOT
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Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

  • For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
  • Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
  • Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
  • Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
  • Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
  • You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
loud hawk
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what keys are considered as high

humble verge
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16/17s i guess

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since at that point bleed becomes mostly useless

restive glade
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whats ur highest key @humble verge

humble verge
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if ure playing bleed

humble verge
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not bothered to push keys this season

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got invited on a whim by friend

cursive slate
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guys, need suggestions: heroic house of cards, or mythic tier set?

coral ibex
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you can buy a heroic house of cards today

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so

golden loom
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Myth tier

humble verge
loud hawk
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myth

cursive slate
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cool, thank you!

cursive slate
true rapids
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when do the horrific visions come out?

past bobcat
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Is circlet still bis?

restive glade
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idk, someone said not this week so onto the next

loud hawk
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but remember tier set you get it 1 time and stays ,trinkets especially hero can be replaced with a mythic priory for example

golden loom
coral ibex
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i need 375 crests today

restive glade
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raidlead said to hold off on spending dinars ... can anythone think of a reason NOT to monke buy jastor/house of cards?

restive glade
golden loom
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Myth track jastor is a insta buy probably

restive glade
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buddy im not that guy we're 2/8m

royal lantern
hidden bay
royal lantern
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and do you have mythic priory, cus then you dont need HoC

worn geyser
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the reason to not monke buy is if ur gonna kill it in ur lockout this week and might get it

restive glade
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yes myth signet, haven't simmed hoc vs jastor. I didn't know HoC + Signet bad?
I thought
optimal raid trink: seaforium pacemaker + hoc
optimal dung trink: pacemaker + signet

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!trinket

blazing kayak
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bis belt but i need tier helm for last myth track tier piece. pain

golden loom
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U would not replace myth signet with heroic house of cards

restive glade
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replace hero seafor with hero hoc?

slim zinc
golden loom
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No

normal mist
golden loom
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You just dont use hoc

normal mist
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it all depends on your gear ._.

restive glade
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why does archon + bis list say hoc bis and ur contradicting it

normal mist
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Because bis only applies to trinkets AND special items

coral ibex
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data scraping

restive glade
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(non independent thinker q)

coral ibex
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archon doesn't know anything

golden loom
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Signet and HoC are the same trinkets

normal mist
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anything else is just SIM

golden loom
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You use 1 or ther other

golden loom
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So if you have 1 on myth track and 1 on hero track

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You use the myth track one

thin portal
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Yo guys today I was thinking of doing triple rogue key. Im not outlaw anymore so going to mix specs now. Last tuesday i did a triple outlaw key. Tonight since im still learning sin, i would like to get another sin to compare myself with. Ive asked for one outlaw in their channel. Now I'm asking for one sin rogue to come as well. Tonight at 830pm PST. (NA region)

normal mist
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Guess what...

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that goes under the "Don't use the Discord server for LFG stuff" 😛

thin portal
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Outlaw mods let me do it

normal mist
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Who

humble verge
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"outlaw mods"

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🤨

thin portal
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Its an event

royal lantern
thin portal
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So triple same spec is okay but not multiple rogue spec?

restive glade
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yea well i am stupid and dont know my shit so gotta start somewhere @royal lantern (im smart to admit im dumb)

spice spire
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So it’s always going to be skewed

restive glade
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i dont like wowhead ui garf

thin portal
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Well its just a triple rogue fun key

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Not super serious

royal lantern
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if you have heroic priory, you dont need heroic HoC, if you have Mythic Priory you dont need mythic HoC

spice spire
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Dinars actually GIGA useless for my rogue

wise gull
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Anyone else unable to pick up the dinar quest?

wise gull
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It says previously completed by warband for me

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(i dont have an alt)

royal lantern
burnt star
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Where is the quest?

spice spire
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Already have both myth trinkets I want

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I’m just missing rando pieces

burnt star
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For us.. dinar is probly. Jastor/hoc/pacemaker

thin portal
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You guys need to stop calling it a dinar. It's a new nerfed item. Dinars are dead with shadowlands.

bleak sun
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U can purchase hoc myth only if you killed bandit mm right ?

gloomy heart
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pvp toons pay off ig

thin portal
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Do u play all day everyday damn

gloomy heart
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no u get alot of valorstones per arena

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or some shit

restive glade
blazing kayak
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so can i use this twice or only once

frigid thunder
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Happy Turbo boost, has anyone simmed w/ the updated +2 tracks if Circlet is worth replacing? I tried simming replacing with 8/8 heroic jastor even and it seemed like an increase but don't know how accurate that is.

gloomy heart
golden loom
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They have to include BiS lists in wowhead guides for google search engine optimization

restive glade
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i haven't seen that before so thx for clarity, ok done going back n forth im wrong its known info thx

coral ibex
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buy the gilded one?

gloomy heart
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is the delve belt out

restive glade
pliant remnant
restive glade
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i see bis, i equip i turn off considering any other item for that slot - bad way to think im noticing now

royal lantern
#

im not saying im a smart guy, im dumber then a rock

but i can somewhat remember the information represented here

worn geyser
#

mythic pacemaker showed up on time to twin it out with the mythic signet im boutta yoink with my dinar

worn geyser
#

im hype af trinkets no longer in poverty tier

gloomy heart
#

do keys give more crests now?

rotund oak
#

u would get them anyway

gloomy heart
#

or same amount

rotund oak
#

it doesnt matter

#

badluck vendor exists now

#

game is better

hidden bay
#

rest is trash

pliant remnant
#

I am happy people will do 50% more damage now that they can upgrade their trinkets from Hero track to Myth track

rotund oak
hidden bay
#

if i dont get pacemaker tomorrow in vault ill delete rogue

royal lantern
#

i hate my frking chest

#

wanna be 675+ aswell

#

but noooooooooooo

wise plume
#

i dont even wanna open my vault

royal lantern
#

heroic chest

wise plume
#

i know im going to be disappointed

hidden bay
#

every reset i open DH first where i get the good stuff

#

maybe i should open rogue this time first

wise plume
#

nvm im gooning

hidden bay
gloomy heart
#

Waiting for raidbots to be updated

hidden bay
#

ping whispyr and tell him to update

gloomy heart
#

@balmy condor update

pliant remnant
#

Make sure to keep pinging him until he replies

normal mist
#

Like me, you're missing Tabard of the Void

gloomy heart
hidden bay
#

both from random container tho

normal mist
hidden bay
#

i only bought 2 containers and got both

normal mist
hidden bay
#

thats crazy

restive glade
#

hoc + signet kinda blows balls and sim proves it (top gear for me at least is jastor)

gloomy heart
restive glade
golden loom
pliant remnant
gloomy heart
#

Whats make ilvl for myth now?

fallow canopy
#

684

gloomy heart
#

ty

normal mist
restive glade
#

i needed to sim it to satisfy my monke brain

royal lantern
normal mist
#

Fair, are you like 25-27?

royal lantern
#

27 ez

near valley
#

fucking vintage u are

restive glade
#

25 ez \ez\

near valley
#

24 ez\

royal lantern
normal mist
#

Y'all younger than my YOUNGEST sister

#

y'all smell like milk

restive glade
#

holy fuck discord encoding lifehack if u want to use emote add '' after w emote kekw

#

:Clappers: \Clappers
nvm im tism

gloomy heart
#

i’m 54

#

D.I.L.F INC

normal mist
#

thats honestly poggers

gloomy heart
#

sike i’m 23

spring stream
#

9 here

restive glade
#

a/s/l?

coral ibex
#

32/yes/your mom

keen spruce
spice spire
pliant remnant
spice spire
#

Also old

coral ibex
#

she prefers my wizened staff

still remnant
#

Is there anywhere that discusses the best dinar's pick?

pliant remnant
pliant remnant
halcyon saddle
#

lol

pliant remnant
#

There's a section for it in the Assa rogue best gear article on Wowhead though

#

Myth Jastor if Gally selected*

winged sun
still remnant
heavy jolt
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
heavy jolt
#

!macro

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

ember mural
spice spire
humble verge
#

man i need valorstone for tomorrow

lyric gate
#

you can transfer

#

from alt

humble verge
#

i dont play alts

ebon vine
#

Can anyone confirm for me the req to do the chips quest and get a heroic item. Do we have to do anything specific to get a specific item?

humble verge
#

is it not 4 raid bosses or 4 m+

inland idol
#

Guys, like Assa, what item should I spend the new currency on??

humble verge
#

this is wowhead suggestion

inland idol
#

ty

cloud fox
#

Anyone know what spells atrophic poison works for on Sprocket? Feels like it's mostly environmental damage

spice surge
#

Just because the boss isnt casting it doesnt mean its environmental damage

#

You pretty much have to go into logs and look

cloud fox
#

Right, my question is has anyone done that research already and made it available

ebon vine
restive glade
#

simming raid spec full upgrade myth daggers
why would - haste+vers > vers + mastery

golden loom
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
humble verge
#

because you lack haste vers

#

:3

normal mist
spice surge
normal mist
#

And you're probably lacking haste and vers as uber said

spice surge
#

Aka the vast majority of it

gloomy heart
mossy sundial
#

No gally kill. No good dinar buy. gatodespair

#

Praying yall get juiced vaults

spiral basalt
#

So for us no myth raid Andy’s, we go signet and pacemaker at myth track if we have done the keys?

coral ibex
#

sounds logical

spiral basalt
#

Wanted that jastors, I’ll aim but have a myth ring already so I’m thinking I don’t replace that, and instead will replace my hero pacemaker and hero Cards

nova aspen
#

even if he beat u in overall id still say sin is better

#

cuz of the damage profile

#

also not biased

proud pelican
#

Stop zeross before you get us nerfed

winged sun
#

oh

#

true

#

sec i fix

proud pelican
winged sun
#

ayo sin is bottom dps

#

can we get a buff

#

??

inner swift
#

are these upgrades from turbo boost permanent?

plain moon
#

rsham op wtf

winged sun
#

true LOL wtf

#

he has to be bug abusing something

subtle tundra
#

is boomy bad or why is he doing so shit

gloomy heart
#

rsham broken! nerf

distant prairie
#

ASSA M+ Which one do you think is better?
678 Signet of the Priory vs 678 House of Cards

spice surge
#

It literally doesnt matter

#

Theyre the same for the most part

main monolith
#

signet i think , 2min cd

#

house 1.5m spoils the rotation

subtle tundra
#

????

spice surge
#

Well no, you just hold it for 2 min

normal mist
#

^

spice surge
#

And it gives more stats than signet anyway

#

(but for 15s, instead of 20s)

royal lantern
#

you macro it to dm

winged sun
royal lantern
#

lol

winged sun
#

hes just starsurging 24/7

#

because boomkin with mage comps he starfalls

#

with me i solo adds on ipa and he doesnt aoe half the start area of cinderbrew

#

so he basically never starfalls

dapper cradle
#

Boomy players literally filling their diapers with shit if they’re not omega giga top dps in keys

subtle tundra
#

aha so basically assa good if one of the dps plays support role

winged sun
#

well

#

is like arcane but way more aoe

#

we have same/better funnel

#

we only have worse funnel on gorechop

#

and

#

we have the same st dps

#

issue is we dont have lust or utility and we're squishy as hell

hollow talon
#

question if we have mythic track on all item slots, do we keep embellend on the offhand

gloomy heart
#

just realised you cant pick a roulette wheel form the dinar

ebon vine
#

I’m hearing some people say you can do the chip quest on LFR but the quest text says normal/hc/myth. Someone in my guild said he got credit from LFR lol

normal mist
#

Bugs, on a new event release day?

#

nah

#

i dont buy it

ebon vine
#

It was advertised as any difficulty lol

burnt star
#

Might be a typo error

dawn condor
#

does anyone know if they have liftet the crest cap in delves?

burnt star
#

Cause ya. I remember seeing qny difficulty

#

And it works on any difficulty. Sooo

ebon vine
scarlet cliff
#

You think if I still haven't managed to get a myth wep at this point in the season I hang my head in shame and craft a 2nd dagger at 681 or keep coping?

tawdry flume
#

Is today the day we finally move on from the Circlet?

scarlet cliff
#

circlet is like a 700 ilvl ring isnt it?

tawdry flume
#

658

#

Unless it upgrades again...

burnt star
humble verge
#

since most people will be pretty much still using it until next tier

#

maybe.

tawdry flume
#

Raidbots is sim'ing higher now without. But could just be wrong (for single target atleast).

strange tundra
burnt star
#

It was simming equaly with my crafted ring + 678 ring combo

#

So i hard doubt its 700

gray horizon
#

Finally got my HOC yay. Even though it's 1.5 min CD we just hold and send with Deathmark yeah?

proud pelican
#

Ya

lyric gate
#

i would use on cooldown

#

to get more of the stacking mastery effect

gray horizon
#

Looks like quicksim holds for deathmark

lyric gate
#

ofc you hold it

#

what is that qwuestion

strange tundra
#

Has it been 24 hours

lyric gate
#

i was nice earlier

strange tundra
#

Fair

lyric gate
#

gave some legit answers

strange tundra
#

😭

gray horizon
#

it's a question 🙂 there's always weird tech who knows dude

humble verge
#

just play sub amirite, more value from hoc

burnt star
#

Playoutlaw.. u dont need hoc

normal mist
lyric gate
#

i think priory is anyway better

#

if you dont have 1 ms and 0 input lag

#

you wont get that full 15 sec in your deathmark

#

from hoc

blazing kayak
#

wat r u guys buying with your dinars? i think ima just send it on the jastor diamond

jaunty sparrow
#

Simming heroic diamond versus mythic pacemaker

#

Whatever sims better

blazing kayak
#

so do we get another 3 next week? or how does that work

lyric gate
#

ill get cloak from locken

gray horizon
#

You get 1 each week now

blazing kayak
#

ooo

#

fk

#

hmmm

#

i lowkey might pick jastor, just so i dont have to go into the raid anymore

vestal cliff
#

are the corrupted visons live aswell ?

gray horizon
#

next week

vestal cliff
#

ah okay ty :3

lyric gate
#

fun fact i got heroic jastor week 3 on my rogue but it simmed worse then my current rings on sublety so i gave it to a friend warrior, and now im waiting 6 weeks for it on assa

#

but i doubt its better then 681 and 684 ring

restive glade
#

I'm trying to better understand caustic spatter for higher parse on m rik
so more dmg caustic by hitting more enemies with it, if my character is yellow triangle is and red circle r bombs this is optimal?

severe oyster
#

So if everyone is going to take Jastor, do we go the big brain play of taking something else and winning the roll when no one needs it off Gally...

humble verge
timber meadow
#

https://www.wowhead.com/news/best-puzzling-cartel-chip-purchases-for-all-classes-in-the-war-within-season-2-376846?utm_source=discord-webhook here's a fool proof guide you can use for dinars without having to sim your char or think about anything.

humble verge
#

just get jastor if u dont already have hoc or signet

#

das it

scarlet cliff
waxen oyster
#

jastor autoupgrading was nice

#

oh wait

safe field
#

why are most top parses in high m+ bleed builds

tawdry flume
restive glade
#

its widely agreed on best build m+ rn, why wouldnt best build be highest parse?

night bison
waxen oyster
#

I mean what else are you gonna buy with dinar

#

jastor/hoc/eye

humble verge
#

shoulders

hidden bay
#

is one of you guys at the dinar vendor

#

and can check if the mage staff is actually in

#

Neural Synapse Enhancer

waxen oyster
#

The what

spice surge
#

Fairly sure its not

gusty mirage
#

!up

waxen oyster
#

They said weapons werent going to be on it didnt they

hidden bay
#

useless person who made the article then

waxen oyster
#

I mean wowhead articles are just clickbait

hidden bay
#

only idiots publish there

#

@ whispyr

restive glade
runic hinge
hidden bay
#

yea hes a barbarian himself

#

look at his feet

winged sun
#

no one can beat our dk tho

#

our main dk

#

my guy did 7m overall

#

malegus

latent grove
#

Should I just macro house of cards to death mark?

winged sun
#

but hey my dps is same as jpc with udk pre nerf

#

r1 has 9 pi's

#

so doesnt count

winged sun
#

i think if the 1 mob didnt bug out for 1 min

#

i would've ended way higher

waxen oyster
#

should write disclaimer

#

"do not play this build in your shitter 10-12 keys"

restive glade
autumn frost
#

Are we finally droipping Cyrce's circlet?

#

*dropping

winged sun
waxen oyster
#

You can run the sim

winged sun
#

r2 is pi and subterfuge build

waxen oyster
#

but 675 crafted ring was a 14k loss over cyrce

#

so likely close now if you have another 684 ring?

winged sun
#

my guy

#

this rogue

#

has crazy gear

#

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

#

678 cloak from sprocket

#

678 signet

autumn frost
#

zeross are you running bleed build in high keys?

winged sun
#

i would if i wanted to deplete the key

waxen oyster
#

The game changes at actual higher keys.

#

Not the sub 15 keys 99% of people do.

restive glade
# winged sun 678 signet

id check ur sim on crafted dagger mainhand w ascendance, I tried it a bit ago w 2 myth daggers vs craft + myth and craft+myth simmed higher

winged sun
#

dude idk what ur saying but i was using raid gear kinda

waxen oyster
#

Probably assumed you'd play ascendance in raid

#

+depths

winged sun
#

yea

#

idk this build is insanely undersimming it feels like

#

i cba work on apl abit atm busy with keys and sleep in downtime

static fable
#

guys

#

its right?

winged sun
#

i hope they buff envenom dmg

#

would be insanely nice

static fable
#

or its sims thing?

scarlet cliff
#

without any context no one is gonna be able to tell ya

static fable
#

the context is

scarlet cliff
#

link the sim

static fable
#

its the reflect the real game

#

or just the sim

restive glade
#

understanding caustic pissing me off can I get some help clarifying (raid specifically) (ad dies in 20sec)
in order to proc caustic - need mutilate + (deadly OR rupture)

to proc caustic as fast as possible - any rupture on ad + mutilate to 5+cp good

when darkest night available -> darkestnight > caustic?
what ad threshold is it -> caustic > darkestnight?

hidden bay
late gulch
#

is bleed build supposed to do rly low st? feels like i dont have any energy at all

restive glade
late gulch
#

i meant st 🙂

waxen oyster
#

Bleed does like 1.7 st?

#

Which i guess is not great in full gear but wcyd.

#

Something has to give to casually do like 4m with no cds on small packs

viscid spear
#

Question about the Dinar
Is it only "kill that raid boss on that difficulty" to gain access to their items on the vendor or do I need to full clear that difficulty?
Like say I want a Heroic HoC; would I just need to kill Bandit on Heroic or do I also need AotC?

waxen oyster
restive glade
lunar mica
#

is there anything simpler than raid bots to compare items?

waxen oyster
#

You need rupture going on it+hit it with either ambush or mut to apply caustic debuff.

restive glade
#

so gally bomb trash heroic, they die in like 25sec. worth or not worth swapping?

tropic jewel
#

Anybody knows how this dinar System works? I mean it I Buy Chester Diamond and I dont have myth. kill obvs. Its hc but if I Kill it do I Need to buy it again?

waxen oyster
#

you just hit them with caustic

waxen oyster
#

Your bomb trash lives 25sec? Mine lives like 5

tropic jewel
#

So ill just pass in this stupid System Unbill its Dead wo blizzard

loud hawk
#

on Patchwerk 5 targets 1 minutes do we check any RAID BUFFS ?

restive glade
# balmy condor Rik isn’t big enough

do you mean: his range to hit is too small to be cleaved by 2? (yea that makes sense) essentially what I'm getting from picture though is you always want to be between caustic target and boss so that maybe you can get caustic on it - is that correct blanket thought to follow?

balmy condor
#

No

#

His hitbox isn’t big enough for where you stand to matter

#

It never gets to the second check

fluid timber
#

in raid, since i dont vanish for dps, are there any mechanics that can be vanished?

balmy condor
#

No

fluid timber
#

thx

restive glade
#

so just to rlly make sure I get it - attacking red fill white line w caustic **will caustic **to get green line red fill

merry tapir
#

if i already have myth azerokk heart should i get seaphorium or signet myth?

balmy condor
waxen oyster
#

azerokk kind of beans

balmy condor
merry tapir
#

ikr but as i can only take 1 trinket for now

balmy condor
#

Well azerokk is competing for pacemakers slot

#

Idk what you have in the other slot

merry tapir
#

hero signet

empty tide
#

!FUU

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
#

Yeh

#

So then sim it to make sure

restive glade
balmy condor
#

Probably pacemaker

balmy condor
#

It doesn’t check from your character

#

It checks from the add

#

The character check is only the secondary check

restive glade
#

fuck that makes so much more sense it was rlly bothering me
2nd range check you mentioned in your writeup is char position check

balmy condor
#

Yes

cinder geode
#

When are sims going to be updated for the extra ilvl?

balmy condor
#

This is the important part to read

balmy condor
cinder geode
#

good to know ty

balmy condor
#

As to when raidbots will have a feature update so you don’t have to do that

#

No clue

#

Should ask raidbots support

lyric gate
#

hi whispyr

#

i was nice today

#

gave some legit answers

balmy condor
#

Ok

fluid timber
#

what is this 2nd check about? tldr

#

some bonus aoe?

balmy condor
#

It’s a pin

#

Read the caustic pin

fluid timber
#

ah okay, thx

#

will do

thin portal
#

Guys will you be my frens?

#

Outlaw has exiled me

fluid timber
balmy condor
#

Np

restive glade
#

ty
2nd check is only done when range of boss is "large" so only one that matters to think about that in is gally
otherwise only rlly think about "is target going to maximize caustic hits"
ie - in pic mid is optimal over top/bottom

balmy condor
#

Yah but that would imply you’re target swapping to barrels

#

Which is already wrong

restive glade
#

guild raid lead says if dont swap to barrels we wipe so i swap barrels ..

inland dirge
#

it's finally over

hidden bay
#

double dagger Poggers

rotund oak
#

gz!

jolly heath
#

holy shit i never know sudden demise can finish 40m hp

inland dirge
#

game is definitely self-aware

#

trolling my ass

vivid bear
#

hey guys do we replace circes with jastor or our other ring? cause my sims are telling me that if I switch to diamond over circes I lose alot of dmg in both aoe and ST

normal mist
#

Sims might be right

balmy condor
balmy condor
maiden gust
#

only like 3k more though

inland dirge
waxen oyster
#

looks like a socket vault

inland dirge
#

me finally getting a mythic dagger after all of prog + reclears

waxen oyster
#

People don't just get one first 1-2 weeks?

rotund oak
#

not all

balmy condor
#

Not our ipsa

inland dirge
#

i would be upset but that's in the past baby

rotund oak
#

its the game raising the middle finger to raiders that way

#

well to everyone

fleet pagoda
#

!up

waxen oyster
#

week 2 vault pacemaker

#

week 3 dagger

#

i actually passed up a dagger week 1 too AA_Dog_Kek

inland dirge
#

only downside is now i can't blame the lack of dagger for my shit damage

#

i'll find something else, don't worry

#

bad kill timing, not enough pad, it's hot in my room

#

whispyr sent me feet pics and i was distracted

waxen oyster
#

Week 1 vault being dagger ngl felt real shit

#

if you made a weapon craft

rotund oak
#

my alt is broken idk whats wrong

#

it loots eveyrthing

waxen oyster
#

My main is broken from non vault items

#

I'm wearing 1 item i was given in raid

waxen oyster
#

Everything else i have equipped is either crafted or from vault

hidden bay
restive glade
# balmy condor Okay well I found your parse issue lmao

all top rogue parses have 400k dps parse on pyro with 86% coming from caustic and I have 351 dps on pyro with 21% coming from caustic - time to limit test saying not swapping i will do same dps xd
(I assume they are probably positioning boss better on bombs)

waxen oyster
#

I have a spare m rik dagger in my bags

hardy dawn
#

am i forgetting something or CoS doesnt work with pyre on 2nd boss of Priory?

waxen oyster
#

You cloak to remove stacks not preven

spice spire
#

I still haven’t gone back

#

I cloaked two stacks off and soaked a third

spice spire
#

But didn’t get dot

waxen oyster
#

I mean rik parsing is a meme

balmy condor
#

The other 14% from those high logs is poison bomb Kekl

waxen oyster
#

It requires your ranged to actually hit far barrels

waxen oyster
#

And less melee to cleave nearby ones

runic hinge