assassination

[lusty kraken]

I did an m+ run to test out assa and whenever I had to use the darkest night proc, I had to use 3 fucking mutilates

672

[humble verge]

well

mutilate is only guaranteed 2 cp

so 3 for proc is normal?

[subtle tundra]

it is very

[humble verge]

getting 2 is lucky

[lusty kraken]

no way

[subtle tundra]

2 mutilate is high rolling

[humble verge]

a 1 3cp mut and then also a 4cp mut

is insane

[subtle tundra]

it requires getting 3 out 4 possible crits

if my math is right...

[royal lantern]

just crit

[golden loom]

🐱

[rotund oak]

all these matter so less compared to your primary

its kinda funny

[humble verge]

not even 672,69

[golden loom]

had to take a socket this week

[humble verge]

same

[rotund oak]

sockets also good

[humble verge]

we started extending this week so

or well last week i guess or

i cant rememrbenwrhbewbrhweew

[subtle tundra]

why do you see your ratings

what the fuck

average delver

[rotund oak]

reasons

[golden loom]

I enabled it just for that screenshot

[humble verge]

cause we goated

[subtle tundra]

forgiven

send a ss with normal %

[golden loom]

already closed wow..

[rotund oak]

never forgive anything

[subtle tundra]

ok based

[rotund oak]

we are here to punish

🗡️

[subtle tundra]

live and let live

[rotund oak]

not without youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

uuuuuwwwwwuuuuu

[subtle tundra]

dang yo

your stats are shite

[golden loom]

dont care

[humble verge]

varas

ur mum

is a nice person

is what you think id say

[balmy condor]

um

accktually

[subtle tundra]

youre so cool

[balmy condor]

rating is way better of an indicator than %

[subtle tundra]

ignored

[balmy condor]

you wouldn't ignore me if I was in your bed you whore

[subtle tundra]

ofc not im so downbad id fondle your ass for the whole night

[humble verge]

i would

youre too hot for me

[subtle tundra]

erghm what

[balmy condor]

[proud pelican]

Zomg

[normal mist]

I don't want to give it PTSD so soon

[balmy condor]

buying plane ticket to romania brb

[hearty reef]

almost as if

[hexed frost]

I see lots of top assa players playing void elf

It sims shit

So any other reason?

[humble verge]

mugzee

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaurs-dinosaurs-series-earl-sinclair-earl-sinclair-dinosaurs-drop-gif-1492582228444929642

[rotund oak]

just making ur smol version stronger

[subtle tundra]

wow player discovers race doesnt matter outside of niches

[hexed frost]

Are we back to legion goblin tier shenanigans again

Gg Blizzard

[golden loom]

guess i gotta swap to warrior or outlaw for mugzee!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gg!!!!!!!!

[humble verge]

"samiramain"

[rotund oak]

Your human is so cute :3

[golden loom]

u like the delve campsite btw? @subtle tundra

[humble verge]

ok league player

get out

GET OUT

RIGHT NOW

[royal lantern]

did you miss last tier where HoF guys where kinda forced into playing gnomes?

[subtle tundra]

delve what

[hexed frost]

I've spend close to $600 on race swaps in the last decade or so

[subtle tundra]

bro dont fuck with me what is a delve campsite

[humble verge]

[golden loom]

u get that background for warband when u complete the delve pass

[subtle tundra]

you can change the background?

[hexed frost]

Wtf I didn't know that.

Gnome in nerubar palace?

[golden loom]

yeah

[royal lantern]

queen roots

gnome has root break

[subtle tundra]

woah

give me player housing

[hexed frost]

Imagining an army of gnomes beating the crap out of an oversized spider queen

[royal lantern]

wait until you find out what we get in like 1year

[hexed frost]

[royal lantern]

no freywold spring or gallagio??

[grim jay]

Thats because you have us

[golden loom]

need to do it at some point, think I did all quests but u have to do some cringe shit to get gallagio right?

like find boxes or whatever

[quartz snow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8as3Ht4LKpe3MGddSB63TL not bad for a 48h char

[royal lantern]

not really? i had all achievments except 2 done without even checking for them

most is just "do the story line and sidequests"

[golden loom]

idk I did all quests on release but the rest I haven't done I guess

[normal mist]

You're really enjoying putting emphasis on the part that the character is recent, and not in the part that you're probably no life'ing it xD

[midnight mist]

How do you earn that many gilded in 48h

That sounds impossible

[quartz snow]

that's the neat part , Stuff s ok , gameplay is bad or okeish

[quartz snow]

Got a lot of help from guildmates , after 1 year break so they wanted to rush me to join them in the MM progress

[midnight mist]

Ye but

How many keys is that

Too many

[quartz snow]

around 30

[golden loom]

well its probably 48 hours time played and not over 2 days

[next dust]

+12 drops 20 so its doable

[midnight mist]

he is spamming 10s

[quartz snow]

it's in french but you got it 😄

[midnight mist]

im french

[next dust]

ah lol

[rotund oak]

🥖

[quartz snow]

Ahah

[midnight mist]

But ye idk impressive I guess

I could never do that many 10s

In that little time

My brain can't handle it

I guess that's what I did at the start of the season

I played 8 h straight on release day

[next dust]

chasing for 1 item is the worst tho imo

[quartz snow]

day off in france = 4 days , but yeah

[rotund oak]

why

i work 6 days a week

[quartz snow]

not it's time to learn the rotation

[midnight mist]

nvm it was 16 h

hm

thats a lot of keys

I have been slacking my alt

He is 630 after 2 weeks

But I did barely anything so mb I guess

[normal mist]

You can just do the new event and get a bit higher than that

[midnight mist]

I hate gearing up

[next dust]

what kind of alt

[midnight mist]

ww

its just for raid

splits

etc

they wont let me play 3 rogues

[next dust]

gearing solo is giga boring

at least u prolly get perma invited if they see main rio and stuff

[subtle tundra]

you cant play ww

why? cause I said so

[midnight mist]

isnt yout alt ww varo

i played ww in sl when it was meta in m+

i remember how to play

!

press buttons but never the same 2 times in a row !

gg

i win !

[subtle tundra]

my alt?

[midnight mist]

your main mb

[strange tundra]

Do all delves with key 🔑

Easy 650

[midnight mist]

Not entering a delve ty

[winged sun]

@midnight mist assa > outlaw

Now dont @ me zac i’ll go back to bed

[midnight mist]

Wait till triple outlaw keys

Assa can't do. That bozo

[grim jay]

It can

Tho

[midnight mist]

Ye

Sure

Bro all gonna dm the same target and one shot it into doing 0 damage

[rose wyvern]

triple assa best for 3 hired muscles pull in meadery

[strange tundra]

2 assa 2 outlaw and pala tank

No healer

[midnight mist]

That's exactly what I thought about when he said triple assa lol

The singular pull where it would work

[rose wyvern]

is like only pull

xd

ye

then go out and spec real rogue spec

[burnt juniper]

you get 1 lucky guy to not send DM on 1st pull to desync

there

[candid jasper]

Any hints for last boss rookery? my damage is beyond awful on boss fights but it seems that one really does matter. I'm using deathmark/vanish + 2x shiv for the 100% extra damage but the fight just goes on for so long and my damage really does feel low

[royal lantern]

assa in m+ moment

[royal lantern]

yellow names playing the unloved stepchild nobody wants and say stuff like that

[olive harbor]

my caustic spatter is not triggering, its a common bug?

[balmy condor]

no, it's user error

make sure you have deadly poison and rupture on the target and are using mutilate

[olive harbor]

i am applying both conditions

yeah

i am sure

[balmy condor]

I do not believe you

get some screenshots up in this

[balmy condor]

that is instant poison

[royal lantern]

[rose wyvern]

typical red name

nwm hes yellow

fml

[olive harbor]

DEADLY my bad

[lean plover]

KEK

[royal lantern]

instant is for sub/outlaw

deadly is literally better in every single way and half of your talents need deadly

[olive harbor]

i has been playing 3 spec to pick one, and started to confuse

sorry, and thanks

[royal lantern]

tbh, it doesnt help that instant is a option at all for assa

[olive harbor]

yeah that explains a lot

i has been like 12 minutes checking the weak aura, relogging

and there was always in front of my nose

Ty guys

[balmy condor]

np

[shy creek]

Not much to do, just feels terrible

I see a few rogues literally swap from assa to sub after 2nd boss to deal the issue but thats the best I got for you

If uoure in a coordinated group and deathmark is coming up <10s you can ask slow dps and then send DM but very hard to ask to play around

[candid jasper]

I've not really found much difference between bleed and hybrid either for that boss, it just all feels pretty awful. Sub does do a lot more on that boss for me, but yeah, I as hoping to do it on assa

it's only a 14 key so I'm wondering how the hell I'd even be useful in higher keys if I'm struggling on that one

got the rest of the keys done at 14

[balmy condor]

you play sub or play a giga st build

assa just bad ST in keys

be like that

[shy creek]

In a 14, you should still be okay to play assa

[lean plover]

i did on assa on 16 and it was alright

[candid jasper]

Thoughts about whether something like twist the knife with supercharger could be slightly higher ST whilst holding decent enough Aoe?

[shy creek]

Def isnt the worst idea

[lean plover]

bleed build insane aoe is going to save you a lot more time than FI on bosses will

on a 14

[little tulip]

it really helps to have deathmark at the start of that last fight on rookery

you probably get two casts in regardless of other events

[candid jasper]

at the start? you don't save for the 100% phase?

[little tulip]

it's up for the second damage phase

only done it on a 12 tho so ymmv etc

[balmy condor]

FI is playable

it's just aids

[lean plover]

usually using it on 1st phase with bo for big burst

[balmy condor]

and you don't really get a lot out of it unless you fully commit

and if you do fully commit

[lean plover]

then you get to use another the 3rd time

[balmy condor]

it's double aids

and worse in aoe

and you need to have targets in trash packs live forever

so it's triple aids

and triple aids as we all know, very deadly

[little tulip]

peacekeepers in ml being worth 1.5% is also several factors of aids

[lean plover]

if it was quad aids it would cancel bc of pemdas

so swap demise for ttb for even more st

and its a net positive

[balmy condor]

definitely do not do that

[lean plover]

well ofc not

[subtle tundra]

hi where can i get AIDS from?

please?

[lyric vale]

What is AIDS?

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

this channel on a patch day

[lyric vale]

Oh

[normal mist]

True and real

Especially if we become meta

[lyric vale]

Hehehehe

Start playing assa for raid and now having fun in m+ best experience ever

[subtle tundra]

thats great

hope it lasts

or it doesnt, so you can enjoy life

[royal lantern]

so outside of patch day its not bad?

[red schooner]

considering he put the channel on slowmode on patchday

yes

[runic hinge]

Which patch day

[normal mist]

I haven't seen a slow mode in a while

[red schooner]

It definitely happened around 11.1 time

[normal mist]

It just didn't affect me :3

[subtle tundra]

im so hungry...

i could eat a large quadrupedal mammal

[runic hinge]

Giraffe

[subtle tundra]

close!

[normal mist]

Yo mama

[subtle tundra]

hippopotamus!

[broken lion]

how do u shroud skip past the 2nd last pack of operation mechagon? Every time iv tried to do it, someone picks up an ad

[turbid gust]

make sure no one has the dot on them still from the pack earlier

[normal mist]

And probably would help if you used distract to drag the attention away from the entrance

[runic hinge]

Also don’t be the first one through cause shroud will drop if you get meleed

[broken lion]

Thanks for the help guys

just lost a 14 bc of it V.V

[rotund jungle]

After the item lvl Upgrade on the 13/14 of May the cyrce circlet will still be BIS? i know it need to be simmed but what u guys think

[balmy condor]

depends on the character,

maybe

maybe not

[snow hamlet]

[normal mist]

Aka it's something only the sim will tell

As predicted

[rotund jungle]

i knew that would be the answer xD

[normal mist]

Atleast you called it out before you asked

[rotund jungle]

😄

i thought, maybe its already close now and after the ilvl buff its clear there will be a better option

but yeah ok i will just sim as always

[balmy condor]

it's typically only close for people with fucked stats

[normal mist]

It's the type of question where if the answer is anything but "sims", it's feelscraft

[shy sinew]

Which dungeons this season are specifically good or specifically bad for Assa rogue? I have +10/+11 on every dungeon this season but can’t seem to finish a Rookery above a +9

[balmy condor]

I mean rookery is technically a bad dungeon for assassination

but not at +10/+11

there's no such thing as a bad dungeon at that level

[spice surge]

Its pretty much only the last boss thats not great for assa in there though, like all other pulls have 1 big dude you can easily cleave of and be useful for killing it earlier

And you can very feasibly pull mobs ontop of the bosses, which is always good for assa.

Obviously most of this is whatever in a +10, but still

[hexed frost]

Cinderbrew and Priory is really bad when the tank keeps chaining pulls

I raged and left a +15 priory because the tank wasn't listening

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-madge-angry-angy-gif-12433487470922084221

Like bro just wait 1 second and let me restealth

It's not that hard

[shy sinew]

Shouldn’t that depend on ilvl and class knowledge lol

[willow hill]

are the new trinkets any good

the nightfall stuff

[balmy condor]

that's the point yes, failing a 10 is not a spec issue it's a skill issue

at that level it's not "bad assa dungeon"

it's "bad assa player"

[runic hinge]

Aka me

[balmy condor]

press button better, key shouldn't be an issue

[shy sinew]

Would you say that if my ilvl was 620 trying +10s

[balmy condor]

they're all champ track aren't they? think some of them would've been good if they were available at high ilvl but they're all pisslow ilvl so they're bad

[balmy condor]

I mean if your ilvl was 620 I'd just tell you to play the war within and not dragonflight

[dapper cradle]

That sucks. I always tell tanks that sin rogues lose around a gorillion dps by not restealthing

True and real btw

[hexed frost]

I told him I do tank damage if he doesn't let me restealth

[balmy condor]

like if you're doing 7's you're already able to just grind your way out of runed crests

do a delve or two man idk

[runic hinge]

I can get a fresh character to 640 something in less than a day without keys so idk what we’re doing to be 620 in 10’s

[balmy condor]

play the game

[hexed frost]

But most tanks have an attention span of a tik tok reel and a tunnel vision of a deer

Once a tank was like "oh you're assa. I'll let you restealth between packs"

Absolutely goated tank and I did like 4.3M overall

[dapper cradle]

[balmy condor]

so you're the one that's setting us back 5 years

noted noted

[runic hinge]

[hexed frost]

How

[balmy condor]

cause we want chain pulls

[hexed frost]

[balmy condor]

literally just gaslighting the tanks into playing worse and making more tanks hate assa rogues

and then the tanks hate assa rogues and the assa rogues hate tanks

and then I gotta fucking tell everyone that we want chain pulls for the gorillionth time

[nova aspen]

[worn marsh]

Just press vanish 🙂

[hexed frost]

I just ask them to track my vanish, if I don't have one, then don't chain. It's that simple

[balmy condor]

I see you down-thumbing objective truth you fucking lurking donkey

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[indigo epoch]

Ok fine but when tanks are shit and trail 1 mob at 1% into next pack fuck them. Either chain pull for real or let it die.

[balmy condor]

read the fuckin sign

[pliant remnant]

The chain pulling in question is always a single mob at sub-5% health

[hexed frost]

@balmy condor and inspite of me saying this, most tanks still play as if they're running with a frost dk running breath

[pliant remnant]

[red schooner]

Just use the energy from bleeds on the previous pack to get bleeds on the next pack

[wild plume]

Apparently they dont need dps on a 15

[nova aspen]

🫏

[hexed frost]

This lol.

A single paladin at 5% and then tank pulls another mob

[red schooner]

Then he isn't chain pulling

[balmy condor]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[red schooner]

He's being a bad tank

[balmy condor]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[balmy condor]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[balmy condor]

READ

READ

[nova aspen]

[red schooner]

jokes on you i'm illiterate i just get my cat to send my incoherent ramblings to this chat

[balmy condor]

USTEDES NECESITAN LEER

BITTE LESEN SIE

[indigo epoch]

Imagine a world where we don't have shitty tanks, must be nice to be in whispyr world

[worn marsh]

8/10 times you can still get a restealth by just killing the 1% mobs before you get in combat with the next pack anyway, they walk slow enough with crippling

[drifting cloud]

its eepy time whispyr

[balmy condor]

no it's crash out time

[red schooner]

demise remaining mob, restealth

[balmy condor]

this stupid fucking conversation

[red schooner]

all is well

[balmy condor]

for nearly a decade

[runic hinge]

Wake up! !!!!

[balmy condor]

I cannot understand

how we're still doing this

[nova aspen]

days since last chain pull conversation:

[indigo epoch]

Mainly to watch you crash out i think

[nova aspen]

[hexed frost]

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

I mean if we're gonna just have the conversation to see me crash out then I'll just start fucking banning the trolls

idc

[pliant remnant]

I support all chainpulling complainers, just 'cause it's amusing to watch Whispyr crash out

[drifting cloud]

because random shitters that are now upto like 15 keys because of rescaling think theyre mdi players and can do no wrong

[hexed frost]

Not again.
I just off ban last month

[balmy condor]

that was a mute you illerate ape

I can't even type

I'm so pissed

fuck you

[pliant remnant]

illerate

[dapper cradle]

[red schooner]

Well, brace yourselves for slowmode

[balmy condor]

I just don't fucking get it

[royal lantern]

should be called Poolingmode

[balmy condor]

we've had mythic+ for how many fucking expansions now

and we still don't get that more mob uptime = more damage

like the fundamental of doing more damage

is having more uptime

[hexed frost]

Whispyr gonna drive by my apartment

[balmy condor]

on more mobs

and we can't get it

[dapper cradle]

iirc the chain pull thing has only been a gain for sin this season

[balmy condor]

somnius I hope your house burns to the ground

[royal lantern]

with cloak on cd

[hexed frost]

[dapper cradle]

Shadowstep the firefighter outside?

[runic hinge]

IC is the only way I can apply dots wah wah wah

[dapper cradle]

[balmy condor]

why isn't IC passive, I say, an absolute dumbfuck

[grim jay]

Im amazed by your self control after snaping

[drifting cloud]

Zeross +20 no ic build when

[grim jay]

Wouldve just banned quite some people.

[red schooner]

[grim jay]

Lord no

[royal lantern]

LoS

[dapper cradle]

Whisp knows I like to do a bit of trolling

[balmy condor]

he could do it and then people would complain they aren't doing damage in their +7 with the shiny new murlok.io build

literally pointless

I can't fix the community

rank1 m+ runners can't fix the community

it's literally just dumbfucks

[dapper cradle]

Remove the log from your own eye type shit

[balmy condor]

endless dumbfucks

as far as the eye can see

just absolute idiots

[red schooner]

You okay there?

[grim jay]

10/10 would still ban depending on how annoying it gets.

[dapper cradle]

Well I’m glad whisp has a better sense of humor than u

[bright tartan]

I am a dumbfuck

[royal lantern]

you laugh

playing my bear drood rn a bit

both assa rogues i had (main with2,6k score) where using it

god cant save us

[nova aspen]

[red schooner]

thats one step away from being a chicken

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/choccy-chocolate-fine-dining-to-fine-dining-choccy-milk-gif-22173271

@balmy condor have some chocomilk

[grim jay]

He certainly tolerates annoyances better

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/chocolate-milk-chocolate-milk-jug-chocolate-milk-gallon-chocolate-milk-cut-in-half-gif-25063151

[grim jay]

Classic

[royal lantern]

didnt even talent into moonkin form for the magetower

which makes it 2x more aids btw

[nova aspen]

im using the build in 16s and sometimes the prio target still dies too fast

[hexed frost]

Me when I find Xalatath
(It's blueberry milk not choccy milk)

[brave stump]

While there be a Say Macro in the one button rotation from blizzard where you tell the tank stop chaining?

probably not since its not optimal right?

Whispyr is typing hella long, get ready for impact

[red schooner]

the yap to end all yaps

[balmy condor]

do you know how fucking awful it is to put in a bunch of work for a guide, see the metrics, and realize that 95% of clicks die before reading the rotation page

and then to just chill in assa and try to help people and have a good time, but the people you're helping haven't read the guide either

and then the same shit conversations you had back in legion are still happening cause the whole of the community still hasn't moved on from chain pulls and restealths

and then people baiting you on purpose and trying to get you to get angry for their own entertainment just because I can't tell what's a bait and what's not and thats funny to just see I guess

and it's just the same shit, every, fucking, day

yeah dude I'm fine

totally

[gusty mirage]

Unless @spice spire is chaining

Mfer out here chaining when mobs are at 4% health

Coward

[royal lantern]

good

teaching them to learn their class and manual dotting

[dapper cradle]

🥀

[royal lantern]

based af

[brave stump]

I love and appreciate the work you do for the community always remember all the people you help who aren't participating in this fiesta and rage baiting without ravenholdt discord advice i would've quit wow a long time ago

[nova aspen]

what happened to that guy that came here just to say he loved cock

[balmy condor]

!mute @dapper cradle 3d

fucking prick

[brave stump]

[red schooner]

idk, maybe the community isn't fixable, but you did the guide so like, what more can you do? You can lead a horse to water, if the horses want to die of dehydration then thats on them at that point. The guides are appreciated though, carried my arse to some reasonable level of competence when i got dragged kicking and screaming into mythic raiding

[nova aspen]

damn 3 months ago

[balmy condor]

I mean I'm literally just asking to not get fucking baited

is that too much

[red schooner]

Nah, seems reasonable

[brave stump]

People on the internet

being antisocial

and edgy

can't help it

[royal lantern]

its sadly a mixture of people in general being kinda dumb without thinking about stuff and also wanting easy answers

like, they could remove literally all stealth baded talents and it would still take years before people would stop saying "omg i need stealth or i do literally 0dmg!!!!"

[gusty mirage]

He’s doing it to ME bro

[royal lantern]

read the sing

[gusty mirage]

Idc what he does to other people

Like pull faster idk

[runic hinge]

Quake is a terrorist when it comes to keys

[gusty mirage]

He really is man

[red schooner]

ye i don't get that. like, for me i know i'm not that great at the game, so i'll just read the guides and go 'oh okay these people know whats going on so i'll just do that'

and life is okay

[royal lantern]

all the anger getting unleashed

[nova aspen]

didnt sin not even have IC at one point?

[spice spire]

Healer was learning so I was fighting the urge to just

Ape

[nova aspen]

and then blizz gives it to us and people find a new way to complain

[royal lantern]

IC was made in DF lol

and DF IC was a active ability with 45sec cd first

[nova aspen]

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I was learning too

[red schooner]

i didn't play in DF but that seems pretty great

give me that option

[gusty mirage]

Learned why I quit wow lmao

[red schooner]

i like that

[gusty mirage]

The first time

[royal lantern]

like, the last time "i need stealth for good aoe dmg" was true, was BfA S1 cus all our AoE dmg was stealth Garrotes lol

outside of that? nah, same as always, dont wait and pull

[gusty mirage]

Shout out azerite traits

Clown ass borrowed power

[red schooner]

BFA with the shrouded suffocation azerite thing. Went absolutely ham straight out of the gate on boss pull

fun times

[royal lantern]

echoing blades supremacy

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I loved pressing one button in aoe at a certain target count

Super fun

Very engaging gameplay

[worn marsh]

Was there something else that spread before IC then or were you just manually garroting everything

[balmy condor]

manual

[royal lantern]

wbats your aoe roation?

FoK->FoK->Fok->FoK->FoK->Fok->FoK->FoK->Fok->FoK->FoK->Fok->FoK->FoK->Fok->FoK->FoK->Fok

echoing blades man

[balmy condor]

subterfuge + iron wire + imp gar used to be one talent

and it was 3 seconds

so you would gar gar gar on pull

and then just go

[gusty mirage]

And people will come in here and tell you that was peak assa m+ gameplay

[royal lantern]

dmg high = gameplay good, you know the rules

[gusty mirage]

Spread your 5 bleeds and spam fok until pack dead

POG

[midnight mist]

he about to miss some gooning sessions gg

[gusty mirage]

shout out legion poison bomb where you rolled dice to whether you’d do a billion damage or none

[royal lantern]

ofc manual dotting

and like

game was different back then anyway

Outlaw was special for having passive cleave

like, really fucking special

not this "everyone has passive cleave always" it is rn

[gusty mirage]

Helped that the azerite trait was bugged

So they just did obscene damage

[red schooner]

I kinda liked that compared to the sit on one target thing we have going now

Like I picked up an alt for the first time in a while, legit couldn't get myself used to target swapping again

[gusty mirage]

There was a certain sense of accomplishment to being able to balance all the plates properly

Unpopular opinion I preferred the old IC that was on a 1min CD

[balmy condor]

I preferred no IC

[gusty mirage]

Because it was up often enough where you had the QoL but you still had to balance keeping up bleeds in between the CD

[gusty mirage]

I did too, but that gate was opened so it’s hard for them to claw it back

[balmy condor]

just remove the cd on garrote why does garrote still have a cd

[runic hinge]

Real

[gusty mirage]

Remnant from when garrote actually did damage where casting it out of stealth was still strong

ig

Instead of now where it’s there for energy

[spice surge]

I genuinely think a "classic dot spec" playstyle could work in the current game for assa thanks to demise, we dont need the spatter/flurry type effect really

[red schooner]

I didn't play DF so I never played with it, but it sounds neat.

[spice surge]

Like the issue with pure dot specs is that targets die before you get value out of your dots

But demise fixes that

[runic hinge]

I played a ton of assa that season

You used ic and then just spammed your choice of CT or envenom

[lean plover]

dot specs use dots as generators more than dmg now

[spice surge]

yes

Thats why im saying pure/classic dot specs

And not just dot specs

[gusty mirage]

Blizzard’s always had a terrible time balancing dots as a primary source of damage

[fierce oracle]

As an aff main it’s what I dislike the most about the spec at the moment

[gusty mirage]

Every time they tweak them to be strong in ST, they just go bananas in aoe

See every time spriest has been giga strong

[spice surge]

Bleed assa is the closest thing to a classic dot spec atm

Where the dot actually do damage

And arent just a vehicle for cleave or resource generation

[gusty mirage]

So dots being the primary source of damage for a spec is pretty much dead outside of a new cases

[hexed frost]

They fixed shadow priest mostly tbh.

AoE dot on a short cooldown so you don't need to bother manually dotting most of the time

[gusty mirage]

Blizzard’s gone on a crusade against multidotting the last 5-6 expac

[spice surge]

"Fixed"

Because its so easy to apply all the dots

They dont do any damage

[hexed frost]

The spriest before the shadow crash aoe changes sucked

[hexed frost]

But poopoo st

(Nevamind hybrid st is also poopoo)

[lean plover]

dots in aoe problem is what eleem said, if u need time to manually apply them then pack is dead before you do any dmg

except on very high keys

[spice surge]

But for assa that wouldnt be much of a problem

Because we have demise

[lean plover]

Yep

And sb to an extent

could a pure manual dot spec survive in current dungeon design?

Well i guess it would depend on tuning

[gusty mirage]

Probably not tbh

[wide ferry]

just tried outlaw after the fixes....idk how....people play this lol.

[gusty mirage]

Without stuff like sudden demise it’s cursed

[normal mist]

Pressing really quickly

[wide ferry]

im staring ata weak aura the entire dungeon lol

[gusty mirage]

Until you get to giga high key levels

[spice surge]

I prefer the bleed dot focused type of gameplay on assa. Poison stuff just feels like green sub to me

[gusty mirage]

Because it is just green sub

Except finally kingsbane can’t be parried anymore

[normal mist]

How many dots do aff locks have to deal with?

[gusty mirage]

Only took an expac and a half boys but we’ve made it

[lean plover]

I love poisons

poison bomb specificaly

i love the spell

[spice surge]

A couple, but they dont really do any damage. Their "finisher" does damage to each target based on how many dots the target has on them

Thats the main value of the dots

[sonic schooner]

Not being parried feels sub tho

It s trickster

[nova aspen]

feral might be the last dot spec

and u need snapshotting

but rip actually good single target and aoe

[normal mist]

I like the idea where you can't do any upfront DMG but your dots adding up really quickly, and then a sudden demise effect to put everything together

That's peak to me

[spice surge]

[sonic schooner]

Sp is fully dot

[normal mist]

🙂

[sonic schooner]

Affli is mainly dot

Idk

[spice surge]

Their damage is not in dots

[normal mist]

Didn't we have a weapon talent in legion where we could proc a better rupture so we had to reapply?

[sonic schooner]

Sp?

[nova aspen]

they just rely on dots

[spice surge]

they just apply the dots so they can cleave on them

[sonic schooner]

Their damage is à dot that spread on dots for more dot damage

DP is à dot

Officially

[wind totem]

How does vanishing the slam on the overseers in DFC work?

[sonic schooner]

Vanish 0.3s before it happens

You ll be out of combat/ imp stealth

Idk what triggers it ecactly

[wind totem]

I assume you take 0 dmg

no need to feint

[sonic schooner]

Yes u just dodge the ability

Entierely

[royal lantern]

or you just walk out

[spice surge]

A lot of their damage is tied to having dots on the target, but the dots themselves aint doing much damage. Like i pulled up a random dungeon log and vt+dp+swp is around 20% of their damage

[rocky ruin]

it was the legion talent point ruputure can does more dmg or something like that

[royal lantern]

aka

"dot specs" in wow after BfA

[sonic schooner]

Vt is à dot. Dp is à dot

[spice surge]

The majority of their damage is "when you press your ST spells on a target all the targets with dots on them also take damage"

[sonic schooner]

What s swp already?

[spice surge]

Yes thats my point

[sonic schooner]

The best part is we re agreeing

But i m dumb and tenacious

DP is à 5s dot and it s their main st/aoe dam. So it s à dot

[royal lantern]

hello dumb and tenacious

[sonic schooner]

[nova aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sneeze-gif-11815276

[winged sun]

i think i slept too much

[nova aspen]

o/

[normal mist]

It's never too much

Unless you're late

[winged sun]

No work so its ok

[nova aspen]

no work means key time

login

[leaden garden]

Hi! Head is our worst itemized tier piece right? Atm i have 5/5 equipped and was looking to craft a 675 piece. I know I can just sim, guess I will

[lean plover]

cant do keys without 6 coffees 1st tho

[winged sun]

Dont wanna key on raid day

Only after raid

[lean plover]

thats just masochism

[normal mist]

Funny how you answered your own question

[leaden garden]

I know :((((

[winged sun]

Need to clear up my head beforehand

[leaden garden]

just cba loging on atm...but I will at some point

[normal mist]

Are you still r1?

[winged sun]

I use the head

[winged sun]

I think so i havent checked since i slept

[lean plover]

i could give you some head zeross

i mean

tier head

ofc

[leaden garden]

you use it, or use the slot for another?

[normal mist]

It's R2 too far below or is it been a tight race?

[winged sun]

Too far atm

50 points or something

[normal mist]

You just chilling then

[nova aspen]

who is 2nd

wox?

[normal mist]

Good job mate

[winged sun]

Ty

Idk its either wox or chinese

[nova aspen]

im still running 16s

3318 io

i suk

[rotund condor]

weird question, but how tight do the cd windows need to be hit with Sin? Can things be delayed based on feelings (or actual upcoming mechanics) without losing hard damage? Or is the spec played very strictly?

[lean plover]

same, need a couple more 16s

[winged sun]

We’ve been unlucky abit surely we get the 19s we need before reset

Then maybe all other 19s next week except priory because that shit is hard

[midnight mist]

dont you have resi 18

[nova aspen]

did u watch mdi yesterday

they got 3 WR's

[winged sun]

Yea

[nova aspen]

nuts

echo team that is

[winged sun]

I heard but its 678+20% avoidance

[nova aspen]

yeah

[lean plover]

20% avoidance goes a loooong way

[nova aspen]

idk if it counts being on TR

i hope not

[winged sun]

Well it isnt the same as live anyway

Like im sure we can do rookery 19 with our 673 grp atm

[lean plover]

with ilvl boost week r1 key will probably go up

[winged sun]

Im surprised some teams couldnt do it

Maybe they’re there just for fun idk

[rotund condor]

anyone? ._.

[winged sun]

Maybe 2 key levels

[normal mist]

If you know you gonna pop CDs before an intermission just don't pop them

[nova aspen]

• helm enchant

definitely at least 1 key level

[normal mist]

Unless you can use those CDs while they are up

[nova aspen]

maybe 2

[solar wyvern]

You can pretty much send dm/kingsbane on cd unless theres something preventing you from attacking during them, then you hold

[lean plover]

lot of teams end up unable to practice for whatever reason

[solar wyvern]

Assa is very press 3 buttons on repeat and maintain uptime spec rn

[winged sun]

I have to say tho sin is rly hard to live in high keys

Its so squishy its crazy

[solar wyvern]

:((((

Yea its insaneo squishy

[lean plover]

where your 20% avoidance zeross

[winged sun]

Charrend i’d run subterfuge in cinder honestly

The only key where u can play ot

It*

[winged sun]

8%

[solar wyvern]

I played bleed this key

[lean plover]

I got 7% leech

check mate

[solar wyvern]

Probably play hybrid ma next time

[midnight mist]

was timed as outlaw

[winged sun]

Bleed is a scam in cinderbrew

U need big envenoms

[solar wyvern]

Im going to make an outlaw set with turboboost watchout buster

[winged sun]

And u solo blobs on ipa with just ruptures

[midnight mist]

[winged sun]

Very big value

[solar wyvern]

Haha

Yeah i agree, my group was struggling with batches tho

And sudden demise clears those hard

[midnight mist]

fr tho i timed it as outlaw with the most scuffed run

[solar wyvern]

We just need to play better

[winged sun]

Bleed just doesnt offer anything imo

[nova aspen]

i heard batches spawn on the tank every time

[midnight mist]

we even forgot to kill 2 mobs on third boss so we had to go down after last boss

[winged sun]

Like what

U mean

Totems?

[nova aspen]

and tank can plant them somewhere then los

[winged sun]

Idk whats batches am i stupid i just woke up

[nova aspen]

failed batches that need to die or they explode

from scientists

[winged sun]

Ah

Yea totem things

[nova aspen]

ye

[winged sun]

U need to play the dashing build honestly does great on them

[nova aspen]

do u swap to them or just spatter from hobgoblin?

[winged sun]

Spatter

Dk takes care of totems

[spice surge]

For that specifically bleed is by far the best but

[winged sun]

And warrior

Ofcourse but

[spice surge]

Not necessarily the best for everything else

[winged sun]

U dont need it for that

Atleast on a high key that is

[jaunty sparrow]

rly loving all the viable m+ builds. makes it a fun spec

[spice surge]

Idk maybe your group just has extra good damage on them with a warrior or something

Ive heard people struggling with them whenever theres 3 up

[winged sun]

Whenever theres 3 i ignore everything

I never refresh ruptures nothing

Just envenoms

[jolly heath]

What dungeons u need to swap spec mid key, rookery?

[winged sun]

You could yea

After the pack on 2nd boss

[jolly heath]

Do u still swap in flood

[winged sun]

U kill the 3 mobs send everything u have and tp out swap to sub press symbols for sc and fly there

[winged sun]

No

Sin is better st so why not stay sin

[spice surge]

If you dont have cds just swap right after second boss really

[winged sun]

Killing them is good

Because

U can come down, send ur flag and blades on the 2 casters then u have another usage afterwarda

On the last 2 guys

Then u send ur 3rd flag on boss

[worn marsh]

Aren't you late for 2 casters if you're swapping? Or do you just have team wait

[winged sun]

So no matter if u come down early or not

U have 2 usages of flag only

Before boss

So use them wisely

[winged sun]

I kill the 3 mobs after 2nd boss as sin and insta tp out

[worn marsh]

Yeah but they're the next pull aren't they? Or do you not do parasol

[winged sun]

Yea ofc u need to parasol

[nova aspen]

the gain on boss with sub is worth not being there for the first pull below

[spice surge]

The group is obviously not afking, they go ahead

[nova aspen]

supposedly

[winged sun]

Yea ofc

As i said

Sub has 2 cds

U wont do shit out of those

So it is kinda whatever i think

[worn marsh]

In my head that 2 caster pack is like half dead by the time you get back but I haven't done it so idk

[winged sun]

Yea they are and ur cd is enough to finish them off

On 18 we did it was good

Maybe on lower key they die

[nova aspen]

would u even swap on 16

[jolly heath]

I know i wont be able to kill last boss with sin in 17

16 is fine u dont need to swap

[nova aspen]

we trying 17 rook tonight

i dont have a 16 timed either so

i dont have gear for sub but i can play it well

not sure if worth

i mean i have hoc

[winged sun]

Well we can time it even if i dont swap on 18

We had more time than we needed

It just depends on ur grp

We did it with over 2 mins left iirc

[nova aspen]

hmm

we will have vdh, unh, sin, enh, disc

[solar wyvern]

yeah i meant totems, our group was having issues killing them if dk had no beast or procs and ret was out of wings

but maybe its just play better issue idk

i was experimenting with bleed that key and it definitely is fake imo

pump envenoms

speaking of, i hate how i cant take ttk, sd, and MA

you dropping SD or TTK in that key ?

oh jk with the power of wrcraft logs i cna just look

rip ttk my beloved 😦

[drifting cloud]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lean plover]

storm enh+pi on last boss is quite strong

[tame warren]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[nova aspen]

thats good to hear

i prob wont swap then

17 will be a challenge for us, but 16 should be doable

[rose inlet]

Is there some bug where envenom doesn't consume DN? Was hitting a dummy, hit DN and it gave me 3 DSM stacks and refreshed the DN buff to 30s

[balmy condor]

Haven’t heard of that one in particular, no

[hard river]

what is DN?

[rose inlet]

am i allowed to post clip here

[balmy condor]

I mean I believe you

I just don’t know what could cause it

Typically it’s “I envenomed and didn’t get a mark”

Not “I envenomed and got my marks and also a second dn”

[rose inlet]

Yeah, super weird ig

[swift bluff]

Bonus DN?!

Find the tech and report back lol

[rose inlet]

I mean it's pretty cool ig lol

[gusty mirage]

I’ve had that happen to me pretty often

It just kinda happens

[rose inlet]

such is life

[jaunty matrix]

what are those knife mogs

shiny

[rose inlet]

Gurubashi Poker with Light of the Earth Warder enchant

got the lightsabers

[jaunty matrix]

oh its gurubashi

i got those

thanks

[rose inlet]

if ur particle density is low itll look kinda beans tho

[nova aspen]

🐛

[merry tapir]

pretty small change but, i got the same piece with leech / avoidance / speed, which should i pick xD?

[jade carbon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate crown]

It’s preference though typically folks prefer speed.

As rogue at least

[strange oxide]

Good evening. I'd like to know why, at some point, I have big energy problems; I'm forced to type in white at times.

[nova aspen]

i'd say speed for vault keys or raiding

avoidance for high keys

[merry tapir]

ty!

[cosmic robin]

With higher key levels, versatility should become more value. how would i sim this or do i just change my stat prio from Mast > Crit to Mast > Vers?

[balmy condor]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[coral ibex]

forced to type in white

[balmy condor]

You can’t sim defensives

[coral ibex]

you could use notevenclose.gg to test different vers levels

or whatever that website is

https://not-even-close.com

(i assume you mean vers for survivability)

[balmy condor]

I don’t think people are stacking vers really tbh

[nova aspen]

probably not ye

[merry tapir]

should i try to stay over 150 energy for ST?

[nova aspen]

zeross might have cooked with his crit vers neck

[spice surge]

Outside of cds when youre playing bleed yes

But it doesnt matter that much

[cosmic robin]

Was just scrolling trough raider.io and saw an assa on a 19 ML. He played lots of vers. Zeross his IGN

[balmy condor]

Are you doing 19’s?

[hollow saddle]

wdym, vers is highest stat weight kind of early if u been stacking crit mastery. I made vers mastery neck and put on trashmaster.

[balmy condor]

Huh

[nova aspen]

wot

[runic hinge]

What year is it

Stat weights

[nova aspen]

the year is 1997

[bronze rock]

Is there a good way to have some folks look at my rotation and what I'm doing wrong/how to improve? I'm struggling to hit 1mil dps in single target and cannot figure out why. I feel like I know what's wrong with my aoe but am unsure in ST

[nova aspen]

[balmy condor]

God bless, my mom can still abort me

[nova aspen]

that escalated quickly

[strange tundra]

💀

[winged sun]

i literally cannot live without the vers thats why im playing it

who made murlok io man

im mainly going crit vers, crit for the st, and vers to live for 18/19s

crit's been simming well for me thats why i've been running it mainly

[nova aspen]

outlaw stats

[winged sun]

yeah

[wicked valve]

19?! Jesus. I feel like if I get hit in a 13 without feint or a full defensive I'm toast. Forget about lasting ticking debuffs.

[nova aspen]

zac showing some nice outlaw numbers in #1184888068264689756

might be time

[winged sun]

what numbers

outlaw cant do 6-7m overall

lol

and my st is higher than him

[nova aspen]

he beat u on workshop

idk about top

[winged sun]

1 pack and i nuke st

[winged sun]

wdym beat me on workshop

[nova aspen]

idk if he cooked his overall

i also dunno what keylevel that was

[midnight mist]

I can do 6 wdym

[winged sun]

does outlaw double everyone's boss dmg on 3rd boss and do 2m on 2nd boss?

didnt think so

and i can do 2m on last aswell

[nova aspen]

here he is to defend his honor

[winged sun]

zac knows outlaw is way worse hes just delusional sometimes

[nova aspen]

i think its viable in top tho

[winged sun]

or just spreads memes

[midnight mist]

I can do 6 tho

[nova aspen]

but thats it

[midnight mist]

Soo

[winged sun]

i feel like your missing the point

[midnight mist]

Nope

You said I cant do 6

I can do 6

No point missed

[winged sun]

im not talking about that

u dont realize that sin has better dmg profile than arcane

and outlaw cant do near that

[midnight mist]

I can do 6

[winged sun]

thats the only dmg profile you need this season

very high prio dmg

[nova aspen]

true funnel big

[winged sun]

you either take arcane or sin rogue

anything else is absolute dog

[nova aspen]

outlaw pad spec

[midnight mist]

Take 3 outlaw and you have enough prio

[winged sun]

i wanna see u time 18 priory without a prio spec

especially with an outlaw in the grp

good luck doing that

[midnight mist]

I will lol

[winged sun]

ye maybe after 1-2 weeks

when u get way more ilvl

[midnight mist]

This week if I play enough

[winged sun]

priory 18 this week is impossible without a prio spec

[midnight mist]

I mean this coming reset

[winged sun]

unless u have chinese gear

otherwise

[runic hinge]

I believe in Zac

[winged sun]

u cannot time priory

[midnight mist]

I'm full gear next week cause I'm getting capo in vault

I have seen it

[midnight mist]

Wait till I do

As outlaw

With randoms in lfg

You absolute noob

[winged sun]

ur not playing with randoms

ur playing with a bad premade

thats what it is

you absolute noob

[midnight mist]

I have changed tank about every dungeon

[winged sun]

its not like we havent

i literally only play with a healer

everyone else is random

[midnight mist]

Only guys I stuck is the healer and the hunt

For like 5 keys in a row

[analog field]

Is there a way to sim for example every belt that's meaningful for assa rogue in top gear? Like check which belt is the best? Do I have to input manually every item or is there a bulk way?

[midnight mist]

You are depleting keys with a full meta comp, I'm pressing w as outlaw we are not the same ross

[coral ibex]

daaaaaad there are fake yellows having a piss contest in #assassination

[bronze rock]

Would someone be able to tell me where I'm doing wrong with my rotation in this DFC 10?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ypF891LcRgbzdjPr?fight=last

[winged sun]

meta comp

does this look like a meta comp to you

or are you color blind

[midnight mist]

Gingi doesn't know how to play assa otherwise he would be playing assa

I mean he barely knows how to play arcane

[nova aspen]

unholy no longer meta, big nerfs tomorrow

[runic hinge]

Assa is too complicated to learn

I heard that

[midnight mist]

Also you have a dk

[coral ibex]

shitting on gingi, zac gets points

[midnight mist]

I timed my 18 ws with a feral

[winged sun]

theres like

[midnight mist]

We are not the same

[winged sun]

only 5 dk's in europe

[uneven plume]

whats wrong with feral]

[winged sun]

that can do dk dmg

[uneven plume]

feral is really good

[runic hinge]

Feral is very good

[winged sun]

the rest all do outlaw dps

[runic hinge]

And getting buffed!

[midnight mist]

Feral is very good

[nova aspen]

feral buffs tomorrow