If youre not playing 17s
#assassination
quartz snow
Play the one on wowhead <:Surebud:1083827360815665235>
got it , KB is more sqeeshy but more damage i guess ?
coral ibex
neither build is more or less squishy than the other afaik
they have the same defensives
quartz snow
what's the pro cons then ?
coral ibex
damage profile
quartz snow
damage profile
That build ; right ?
spice surge
quartz snow
yep , that's what i'm running , thanks !
lunar sonnet
if im barely able to get the supercharged DN in the last second of lingering, is it still a gain? wasnt sure how much the value of having shiv + lingering together as long as possible would be.
sullen hollow
If you cant make it save the shiv for kb
strange tundra
prot pala is embedded in my brain and that 92 feels like 2
sullen hollow
But most cases you should get the super charged dn in lingering
I litterally almost always get it
lunar sonnet
no thats not what i mean, if i am only getting it in the last second, is that still a gain?
lunar sonnet
like the last global in lingering is envenom
lunar sonnet
of course, but are you sure? because shiv + lingering together is some sort of dps increase
sullen hollow
Its big
You wanna shiv 7 last seconds of Lingering
You can do it earlier also
At the latest last 7 seconds
lunar sonnet
okay, now do you see what i mean?
sullen hollow
So tb and lingering go together
lunar sonnet
like i dont think thats the case either, unless something changed in the guide
marble hemlock
its a complete non issue. 3 extra seconds of tb overlapping with lingering or not overlapping every 2 minutes is gonna be less than 0.1% of your DPS. if you get DN during lingering, send the shiv with it. it aint rocket science
lunar sonnet
i mean yeah, but what is the value of that, where does the <0.1% come from? has that been ran in a sim?
sullen hollow
And it doesnt matter
marble hemlock
would it, theoretically, be optiomal to use the shiv 7sec before lingering ends to get a few more poison procs boosted by it? sure. is it worth it when you can't guarantee youll get the DN envenom during those 7 seconds? no. so just hold shiv until you KNOW you get the DN during lingering, else do double shiv during KB
marble hemlock
i mean yeah, but what is the value of that, where does the <0.1% come from? has ...
no, we're just making shit up here
sullen hollow
😂
lunar sonnet
that was an actual question though, im not trying to be rude if that came off that way
sullen hollow
Its been simmed Zach
sullen hollow
I am sure 1000s of different instances have been simmed and are being simmed constantly
lunar sonnet
okay, but you didnt do them so how are you equipped to answer this really specific question
sullen hollow
Maybe I am not but I read whispyrs posts
So I can raid and kill mythic bosses
Do big damage
haughty flicker
lmao nerd
lunar sonnet
okay, and i appreciate the help
sullen hollow
Like seli said its not rocket science
spice surge
imagine reading
some nerd type shit
sudden brook
no thats not what i mean, if i am only getting it in the last second, is that st...
Lingering doesn't gain more value at the end vs at the start, so yeah
lunar sonnet
well i know, but i do like this stuff
marble hemlock
it literally does not matter. like, its such a hyper optimization that focusing any kind of brainpower to try and play around it is completely pointless.
thats not a "has that been simmed" thing, but a "common sense" thing. our damage profile is incredibly burst-heavy, so any kind of teeny tiny optimization (were talking 25% more dmg on like 10% of our damage for 3 seconds every 2 minutes) during one of the phases where we do the lowest amount of sustained DPS, is completely and utterly negiligible.
lunar sonnet
Lingering doesn't gain more value at the end vs at the start, so yeah
yes, but shiv + lingering is what im refering to
sullen hollow
25mil envenom
sudden brook
yes, but shiv + lingering is what im refering to
As am I
lunar sonnet
if im losing enough of the overlap, im wondering if its worth it over using for kingsbane
sudden brook
The only value really is dn and shiv and lingering
sullen hollow
It is for dn
sudden brook
Not shiv + lingering
marble hemlock
the power of shiv during lingering is from the DN envenom, because that one hits for 15-20mil damage, not from 300k deadly poison ticks.
marble hemlock
yerp
lunar sonnet
well i appreciate the help guys, thank you for the answers
marble hemlock
no worries. apologies if i came across as needlessly combative, its just a very simple question and not at all indepth. shiv for DN envenom during lingering, nothing more.
lunar sonnet
yeah of course! i think you were fine, and i apologize if i came off rude questioning you, i just enjoy overthinking my rotation haha
marble hemlock
yeah its something we consistently try to combat 
a lot of people overfocus on things that make very little to no difference, and then they end up missing other much more important things, whether that is other rotational priorities, or simply focusing on dps rotation more than boss mechanics
lunar sonnet
LOL yeah i agree, i see that a lot from people that cant even follow a boss around the room
spice spire
so many greens and yellows in my red chat
honest oxide
are the raidbots APLs bugged rn?
stuck leaf
is assa easier to learn than outlaw?
spice surge
are the raidbots APLs bugged rn?
What makes you think that
strange tundra
is assa easier to learn than outlaw?
no u just need to play piano with ol
stuck leaf
kk ty
lean plover
is assa easier to learn than outlaw?
well ol is one of the hardest specs to play to its fullest
honest oxide
im simming really low it seems, and before you ask yes i am in correct build with correct hero talents
humble verge
https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-shut-up-bitch-gif-24566267
he just made you into a goldfish
spice surge
im simming really low it seems, and before you ask yes i am in correct build wit...
Its fine, you likely have something else setup wrong, like a trinket or something 
stuck leaf
well ol is one of the hardest specs to play to its fullest
i heard it has high apm, is it mechanically hard like movement havoc DH or is it one of those specs you gotta have brains to play?
vivid mulch
Its shiv during lingering and darkest night for big envenom right?
stuck leaf
im tryna play whichever one requires least amt of brain and presses most buttons, would outlaw be better choice than assa?
for raid mainly btw^
lean plover
i heard it has high apm, is it mechanically hard like movement havoc DH or is it...
It requieres very fast reactions to procs as well as some brain with rtb rules
stuck leaf
aight aight, ty for the help
honest oxide
Its fine, you likely have something else setup wrong, like a trinket or somethin...
Im doing more than the sim, which is why im assuming something is messed up
spice surge
What
honest oxide
on logs im doing more than what i am simming at
spice surge
Ye
honest oxide
on a 5 min st fight
spice surge
Thats expected seeing as you do 9% more damage in raid
west crown
im tryna play whichever one requires least amt of brain and presses most buttons...
Sounds like you actually want sub
bronze pike
spice spire
GM remby
strange tundra
lyric vale
!sheet
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
runic hinge
Hell yeah
sonic zinc
ok sim question
is this quick sim USING flask mid pul instead of having it up at the beginning?https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s2hq7DdctC4gWSA96thHZF
or am i misreading the ability log
spice surge
Nope its fine
lyric vale
im getting 2.07m sim while im blasting 2.2m on single
spice surge
or am i misreading the ability log
Its probably just changing the stats for it
runic hinge
im getting 2.07m sim while im blasting 2.2m on single
You have 9% damage buff in raid
lyric vale
You have 9% damage buff in raid
on dummy
runic hinge
Or if you’re on a target dummy you’re in execute
lyric vale
Or if you’re on a target dummy you’re in execute
hm
oh shit
forgot about execute
oki oki
sonic zinc
Its probably just changing the stats for it
i guess bc pot gives u every stat if u have no active flask
spice surge
Its just a visual thing
sonic zinc
aight
spice surge
In the log its fine
keen tundra
Does anyone have a wa or addo for kujo when he puts the tank dot out so u can feint? Kind of hard to tell wo an addon
sonic zinc
i forget, does deathstalkers mark fail to apply if ur darkest night finisher gets parried
fathom wind
how can rogue not get touch again do we not even have a dev for rogue
quasi ingot
i legit just sent a buddy a snapchat bitching about this same thing
hearty reef
i forget, does deathstalkers mark fail to apply if ur darkest night finisher get...
nope
coral arrow
how much % are we buffed guys? 
burnt star
i forget, does deathstalkers mark fail to apply if ur darkest night finisher get...
That thing is a nice slap on the face for how blizz ignore rogue
Getting kingbane parried is also fkn cringe
sonic zinc
yea
hearty reef
no sin buffs
sonic zinc
kingsbane getting parried
hearty reef
violet hemlock
Getting kingbane parried is also fkn cringe
They just fixed that...
burnt star
The usual... rogue is ignored from most blizz tuning pass
balmy condor
Kingsbane doesn’t get parried though
royal lantern
Tf are we mad about now
why are you confused, you know how it is
changes? mad
no changes? mad
sonic zinc
they fixed that? huge
violet hemlock
ye read pins
burnt star
Kingsbane doesn’t get parried though
Since when
balmy condor
The usual... rogue is ignored from most blizz tuning pass
Assa is one of the best specs in the game right now are you high
worn marsh
why are you confused, you know how it is
changes? mad
no changes? mad
where buffs 😡
balmy condor
Since they hotfixed it lmao
violet hemlock
it was in the last notes
burnt star
Assa is one of the best specs in the game right now are you high
Wherr did i say sin
balmy condor
why cant they put this shit in notes
It fucking was
balmy condor
Wherr did i say sin
You’re here ain’t ya
sonic zinc
procing blind side over here
spice surge
Guess my crafted items are staying haste/mastery 
balmy condor
Why would I assume that someone in assassination isn’t talking about assassination
royal lantern
Assa is one of the best specs in the game right now are you high
you say that, but on Weekly WoWhead DMG overall posts there is no funny yellow bar on top??
lean plover
you say that, but on Weekly WoWhead DMG overall posts there is no funny yellow b...
We have zeross for that
no need for wlogs
quasi ingot
i hope DH/priest/boomie/mage/UH dk all get buffed by 50% more dmg to all abilities
quasi ingot
hahahahaha
wintry trout
you say that, but on Weekly WoWhead DMG overall posts there is no funny yellow b...
Its litteraly highest median in mythic to boss damage
royal lantern
ill ask for normal, open another channel and are greeted with this
i love you guys
balmy condor
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923898501529600/1367990839862...
Whack
royal lantern
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923898501529600/1367990839862...
dae rogue patchnotes are in stealth xddddddddddddd
you know it man
tacit hedge
You guys have any tips I can take away for achieving 80%+ parse in Mythic raid consitently?
balmy condor
Be better than 80% of players
wintry trout
^
quasi ingot
press your keys better than others
tacit hedge
Be better than 80% of players
wintry trout
Also get lucky at stix
balmy condor
Press button good, high roll rng, pad adds, get good kill time
quasi ingot
and kiss the homies goodnight
balmy condor
Be 900 ilvl
tacit hedge
Press button good, high roll rng, pad adds, get good kill time
Sounds easy enough
worn marsh
manifest better vaults
buoyant herald
Beg your other dps to NOT pad adds
balmy condor
Pilot guy’s character
tacit hedge
manifest better vaults
winged sun
udk nerfs 5% sin bleed build best dps spec in +10 keys time to pump dps infinite weeklies spatter not too op?? crimson tempest infinite dps?? sudden demise broken?!
@midnight mist
spice surge
<a:alert:1350140970968158370> udk nerfs 5% <a:alert:1350140970968158370> sin ble...
Time to swap to sub after the buffs!
quasi ingot
whos stream title did you copy pasta?
spice surge
Oh wait
winged sun
Time to swap to sub after the buffs!
YEAH I CANT WAIT
oh wait
ngl with current routes
even if they buff sub by 5%
sin will still be better in way higher keys
balmy condor
whos stream title did you copy pasta?
couldn't be zac's, it doesn't ping realz
midnight mist
<a:alert:1350140970968158370> udk nerfs 5% <a:alert:1350140970968158370> sin ble...
Back to bleed build ?
winged sun
!!!
midnight mist
couldn't be zac's, it doesn't ping realz
For the longest time I was pinging the wrong dude
I'm glad someone corrected me
balmy condor
midnight mist
Real
balmy condor
quasi ingot
bug blade flurry again..keep outlaw dedge
quasi ingot
lmfao
winged sun
Will be waiting for you around the corner
he will ask u how to play outlaw
too
care
quasi ingot
uninstalls RIP BOZO
past bobcat
cuz its bad with bleed build
The ST build you run is actually pretty good
balmy condor
I remember when outlaw was m+ spec
past bobcat
For higher keys 15+
balmy condor
past bobcat
ty bro
midnight mist
I remember when outlaw was m+ spec
I don't
runic hinge
I remember when outlaw was m+ spec
BFA classic when
quasi ingot
he will ask u how to play outlaw
i never asked zac how to play sin tho
winged sun
its harder to nail the same aoe dmg tho
royal lantern
I remember when outlaw was m+ spec
outlaw m+
assa raid
sub nerfed into oblivion because blizz hated them being broken on zul
winged sun
complex rotation ish
royal lantern
blessed time
past bobcat
its harder to nail the same aoe dmg tho
just have to use vanish aggressive
midnight mist
Bro imagine you are an outlaw one trick but you started after outlaw was good
past bobcat
but do roughly same aoe
midnight mist
That would be crazy
winged sun
just have to use vanish aggressive
i think thats bad
midnight mist
Can't imagine
winged sun
what will you even use it for
past bobcat
aoe rup spread?
runic hinge
Bro imagine you are an outlaw one trick but you started after outlaw was good
Worst fate imaginable
royal lantern
Bro imagine you are an outlaw one trick but you started after outlaw was good
its really sad that you missed the blessed/cursed double/tripple outlaw m+ comps in bfa man
winged sun
chain pull
i mean ofc
idk what u meant by aggressive
because using it for chain pulls isnt aggressive
past bobcat
oh thats all i meant
midnight mist
its really sad that you missed the blessed/cursed double/tripple outlaw m+ comps...
It's fine we just did it again in s3
past bobcat
aggressive probs wasnt best term
midnight mist
And I'm about to do it again nown
@winged sun prepare your outlaw gear
We are going back
runic hinge
I hope you really roll them bones
winged sun
only time you can have aggressive vanishes is in priory
no where else
in that key you really need to becareful about ur vanishes
otherwise u can easily deplete a key
due to that button
but on 15 doesnt matter
winged sun
<@1172550924519080006> prepare your outlaw gear
why would i
royal lantern
wait, zac did you ever saw RtB as a finisher
runic hinge
Zeross assa one trick now
midnight mist
No
winged sun
i'll only play it if it becomes good again
midnight mist
I swear
winged sun
midnight mist
Ok zeross you are starting to piss me off now
winged sun
like
runic hinge
Sub gets buffs? Zeross sub one trick
midnight mist
Telle me when you have time
midnight mist
We play keys together
winged sun
oh that new sin guy
midnight mist
And I smash your ass
midnight mist
On your stupid lil assa
winged sun
midnight mist
Shit spec
runic hinge
One trick fotm
humble verge
the folder is expanding @balmy condor
royal lantern
plays all spec, but outlaw brain at heart 
winged sun
We play keys together
last time we played i did like 2m more overall than you and we depleted
rook
balmy condor
oh zeross only plays sub
did you know that I played more sub than assa until dragonflight
midnight mist
last time we played i did like 2m more overall than you and we depleted
Sounds sake
Fake
We run it. Back
winged sun
did you know that I played more sub than assa until dragonflight
i thought you only played sin
balmy condor
royal lantern
DF is also where i went legit fulltime assa lol
runic hinge
<:xddBusiness:1102976569900806144>
Holy I need this
royal lantern
idk, DF reworks made me not enjoy sub/outlaw anymore
humble verge
i used to be a meta chaser
royal lantern
like 80% of my playtime in SL was Outlaw lol
humble verge
but then i figured out, outlaw gives carpal tunnel, sub isent fun anymore - and assa just works
balmy condor
I did not touch sin once in wod, played sub for 2/3 in legion, bfa sub xdd, and then I played it 2/3 in shadowlands
I have like over double the play time on sub than assa pre-df
royal lantern
I did not touch sin once in wod, played sub for 2/3 in legion, bfa sub xdd, and ...
tbf, that just sounds like a normal "i kinda played the spec that was good for that time"
humble verge
whispyr standin on bidnis
runic hinge
Balancing is too good these days
balmy condor
assa was VERY good for many patches in there
runic hinge
To not play what you like
humble verge
Balancing is too good these days
past bobcat
last time we played i did like 2m more overall than you and we depleted
bro has the receipts get owned zac
spice surge
BFA nostalgia with corruptions and not being able to play sub 
royal lantern
Legion sub just FELT good
yes i know Secret tech is technically the same
yes i know its general gameplay is not that different
but man
DfA in legion just felt great
winged sun
@midnight mist did u know
if they uncap outlaw
i'd still not play it?
because
its bad
sin has the best dmg profile in the entire game rn
infinite funnel
balmy condor
what if they fixed killing spree
midnight mist
Don't talk to me
winged sun
very good st
past bobcat
what was that talent they removed
winged sun
what if they fixed killing spree
its hard to miss on sin atm
past bobcat
and zac lost it
winged sun
highest st in M+ on average
midnight mist
Acro
royal lantern
i legit somewhat think that they will probably go away a bit from outlaws "all cds always up and CDR on everything" loop tbh
balmy condor
and zac lost it
WHICH ONE 
midnight mist
Lol ye
past bobcat
balmy condor
ER removal
winged sun
and zac lost it
ah ye when i told realz to delete marked for death and dreadblades and he said yes, zac got pissed off at me for few weeks
unlucky zac
time to uninstall
midnight mist
Realz probably had you blocked before he even joined the discord zeross
winged sun
balmy condor
surely
winged sun
im the one who convinced him to remove db im 100% sure
midnight mist
balmy condor
midnight mist
I legit think that would be me
Cause I shit talked db
For like
1 month straight
Saying how bad it was and it needed fixes
humble verge
maybe i should level up my original rogue to play sub
balmy condor
yes you guys clearly influence everything
humble verge
midnight mist
Yes ty whisp
royal lantern
yes you guys clearly influence everything
protagonists, silence you NPC
midnight mist
I feel heard
winged sun
I legit think that would be me
no u didnt
i literally talked to him about it
i remember it
midnight mist
Zeross I told you to not ping me
runic hinge
Damn
winged sun
no color guy
runic hinge
Right in his face
earnest remnant
runic hinge
I think you’d have to use a comma to be a green.
midnight mist
That's more likely
thorny lion
highest st in M+ on average
Sb enh gonna do more st and same aoe i guess
winged sun
That's more likely
midnight mist
@balmy condor thoughts ?
winged sun
the comcast sucks doesnt listen to outlaw rogues brotherman
its too late
i have the golden ass ticket now
me and whispyr are best friends
its over for you
midnight mist
Tf is bro yapping about
runic hinge
How can it be over when it never started
past bobcat
I do enjoy doing lots of ST in keys now with build
If only you could get the execute too
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> thoughts ?
on what
balmy condor
nein
midnight mist
As me getting green back
balmy condor
correct
humble verge
i couldve been doing weeklies all day or boost keys
winged sun
As me getting green back
thats not happening
midnight mist
thats not happening
Ye exactly
winged sun
you'd be dreaming to get green back zac
balmy condor
you'd be more likely to slap your hand on a table and have all the molecules in your hand perfectly dodge all the molecules in the table and have your hand go straight through
midnight mist
Sounds likely
midnight mist
I do
winged sun
zac zac
midnight mist
Anal?
royal lantern
zeross, you gotta remember
If you go green, there is a good chance you stop playing the game after some time
royal lantern
the curse of the green name is real
midnight mist
you forgot the achievement
Mb
winged sun
im not gonna take any mods in this discord
im already getting spammed in discord HOW DO WE PLAY UR BUILD
earnest remnant
well you cant have us anyway
humble verge
discord mods ☝️ 🤓
humble verge
im already getting spammed in discord HOW DO WE PLAY UR BUILD
are people actually spamming u in dms
humble verge
dang
humble verge
i used to ask casual some stuff
quasi ingot
ill make it 5
winged sun
well casual is liking the build for tournament realm
cant wait to see him try it out live
runic hinge
Zeross in mdi?
winged sun
no
past bobcat
im already getting spammed in discord HOW DO WE PLAY UR BUILD
bro its zacs build wdym
humble verge
oke
winged sun
how would i pug keys
winged sun
well
midnight mist
bro its zacs build wdym
He tries to steal all my shit Perma man idk
humble verge
stalking
winged sun
if u mean
midnight mist
It's annoying
winged sun
moony and chaddo
they are 2 tanks we always play with
anyone else is pretty much a pug
malegus is our main dk
humble verge
ah
winged sun
all other dk's are pug
humble verge
rabbit boi is back!
winged sun
helena is our only healer
keen spruce
why are the incognito yellow names arguing in our assas chat
keen spruce
winged sun
anyone else is pug
quasi ingot
@winged sun ..its not a rogue question...but....can i have your playlist?
humble verge
oke
keen spruce
this is a good one
humble verge
nah i just saw nnoggie and that russian uh you guys use
midnight mist
Drop names
vital haven
afraid to talk shit in the rogue disc of all places?
midnight mist
No no you do
vital haven
weak
midnight mist
Drop names
winged sun
there are no names to drop
vital haven
is nnogie one fo them
humble verge
intentionally plays outlaw in keys to hold himself back
kindred timber
he is coocking
humble verge
winged sun
i mean i dont think any dk is bad
i just think we carry everyone other than malegus
its crazy when ur a premade cuz
midnight mist
intentionally plays outlaw in keys to hold himself back
I have played outlaw in keys every season since I started the game, last season was an exception and I regret it
midnight mist
Deep regrets
winged sun
that always play with u
its so easy to time keys
but
3rd pug
is np
even if hes bad
we can time keys
humble verge
i feel every key im carrying, but then again - bleed just makes me look like i pad damage
but i havent tried this tier
dont think i will either
rather get CE, do some reclears and fuck off
keen spruce
topaz hare
high keys 15+ bleed still effective or people playing both
humble verge
humble verge
high keys 15+ bleed still effective or people playing both
yes, ive ran 15s with bleed
topaz hare
higher than that recommend bleed or nah
humble verge
what
oh you mean if going higher
eh idk
i havent tried yet
nor do i think ill prolly try
but id say
maybe 16-17 you'd have to go back to hybrid for more PURE ST dmg to bosses
though whips will tell me that bleed still is better st
scenic stratus
should I be running iron wire for cinderb rew
scenic stratus
would i just drop bonespike?
scenic stratus
im runnin the generic bleed tree
humble verge
need to go on wowhead for this
😴
2sec
idk removing zoldyck would be bad, but not as bad as removing other stuff
maybe 1 Lethal Dose stack
scenic stratus
ty!
humble verge
but idk, if you have a good enough group with competent people
balmy condor
I felt a disturbance
humble verge
you could still not run IW
balmy condor
someone mentioned dropping lethal dose
balmy condor
I am here
humble verge
post him
balmy condor
to beat the shit out of you
humble verge
i will spam post you
balmy condor
people say oh guide wrong oh its not updated oh its not for x key
and then suggest shit like dropping lethal dose
you fucking monkey
humble verge
oh
runic hinge
would i just drop bonespike?
Drop lightweight shiv for iron wire with bleed
humble verge
i didnt even read the guide
runic hinge
It shows
candid abyss
guys, do i use finishers at 5cp or 6+ if i have 7 total?
balmy condor
5
runic hinge
5+ and 7 with darkest night
sullen mural
I only use spenders actually
keen spruce
sullen mural
If no cp i autohit
runic hinge
pure moth
I just spam throwing knife.. which is perfect for the rotation helper...
worthy rose
how funny is it that i use the bronze engineering b-rez for people
i was using the silver ones but those got too expenisve
humble verge
how funny is it that i use the bronze engineering b-rez for people
how is r2 expensive
whats the price on your realm
runic hinge
It’s the same everywhere
humble verge
forgot about that
worthy rose
it was a big enough price gap that i was like nahhhhh
humble verge
but also
ive got like 5 at a time
since i expect like 2 CR classes in a pug anyways
well atleast 1
if they die they die
worthy rose
what if its the brezzer that dies
runic hinge
Taunting
inland dirge
game actually hates me
took me like four months to get a mythic transmitter
now this
when will my suffering end
runic hinge
I got a myth dagger week 2 vault and I did not hesitate
rancid wind
I’ve been nervous to try it, has anyone tried to Shadowstep to Mugzee as the jail walls come out? I’m curious if the jails stay in place or follow you or if the LoS block is before visual finishes
runic hinge
Los is blocked. The only way to get out is a well timed grip or void elf
balmy condor
LoS block is before afaik
rancid wind
I assumed as much
inland dirge
I got a myth dagger week 2 vault and I did not hesitate
haven't seen a single dagger in my vault either
it's absolutely over
it's okay there's one in there right now, marinating
sly raft
hey guys,
was wondering until what key bleed build would be the non-better build.. im currently timing all my 15+ keys and on every 14 it felt super strong, but idk if i should actually start to look up for kingsbane with or w/o supercharger, or stay chill with the bleed. any advices ? :D
buoyant herald
just try both
safe field
is it normal im generally last on single target boss in M+
runic hinge
Yeah
buoyant herald
15-16 seems the range going back to KB comes online
runic hinge
Maybe not below the healers
hidden bay
it's okay there's one in there right now, marinating
its fine, you can waste your first chips on a dagger
keen spruce
15-16 seems the range going back to KB comes online
humble verge
you guys dont get first week rik dagger?
inland dirge
i will send a second dagger craft just to make it appear the next week (as it absolutely will)
humble verge
sly raft
15-16 seems the range going back to KB comes online
aight ill try to play with KB, thanks
humble verge
eksde
inland dirge
i don't think we've seen the vexie staff either
our ww is unhappy and went 1h after waiting for a while
strange python
humble verge
kinda sad i didnt pick up any of those pieces rn
since i do play orc
wait there are ones up im stupid
just shows how much i follow trading post
so much garbage lately icl
worthy rose
i just had a random shower thought
you know how BC timewalking has BT as the raid right
is there a nonzero chance that a warglavie can drop and be usable as a timewalked scaled up thing?
or has that been deleted from the loot table
worthy rose
oh so the warglavie doesnt get scaled up as a timewalked thing
worthy rose
that makes sense
how tf am i this unlucky ive been running ulduar for the past 4 weekjs and i get every token EXCEPT the rogue token
balmy condor
they're weighted against your class to buff playtime metrics
go in on a mage
you'll get everything except mage tokens
hidden bay
i usually make 1 key, reclear in 2h and log off for the reset 
worthy rose
just finished all keys on +12, i am clearly the best here
congrats
we're at the same level
worthy rose
they're weighted against your class to buff playtime metrics
cant tell if real or shotpost
balmy condor
shitpost
lucid silo
oh snap they translated the actual assisted rotation tool and not just the meme we came up with
wintry trout
also buff sin cuz im bottom dps
nah u just a bottom.
wintry trout
dont q with those m+ classes boom top dps
hidden bay
zeross showing off how hes bottom with his build
time to go back to +10 and nuke mobs
balmy condor
moon and male getting double digit score from that key
jesus get fucking carried
charity key
midnight mist
Zeross is getting carried ye look at details
Would do more as outlaw no cap
Straight up embarrassing
marble hemlock
saying "outlaw" and "no cap" in the same sentence 
keen spruce
worthy rose
nah u just a bottom.
Zeross power bottom confirmed
worthy rose
saying "outlaw" and "no cap" in the same sentence <a:hehehehe:922982350500007977...
Real ogs still call it combat
I still remember back in the good old wotlk days killing spree would take me into narnia all the way to the wrong target sometimes
runic hinge
just finished all keys on +12, i am clearly the best here
I have a cinderbrew 13 done so yeah I’m a big deal
worthy rose
I have a cinderbrew 13 done so yeah I’m a big deal
The real key here is to wait for the ilvl boost
Then cream some 13’s for an easy 3k
Ezpz
If I can do a 12 at 669.69 I can for sure do 13’s as a 679.69
loud hawk
guys if i have reached MAX Combo points but Caustic spatter is not up,do i Mutilate/ambush to apply it and THEN spent the with a finisher ?
worthy rose
I would personally just envenom and mutilate after
visual sun
Fok generator maybe idk
visual sun
Its whatever
balmy condor
you would probably want to apply the caustic first
but like
just make that situation not happen lmao
hidden bay
keen spruce
worthy rose
you would probably want to apply the caustic first
Why not envenom first
worthy rose
You’re wasting two combo points or more
marble hemlock
then we can get back to og combat 
worthy rose
3 if it crit
keen spruce
Why not envenom first
cuz if you want to spatter the envenom 
runic hinge
Is it a DN envenom or regular
worthy rose
The next envenom can spatter
keen spruce
it was not specified
worthy rose
You’re wasting 2-3 cp
runic hinge
Might make a difference for me
balmy condor
Why not envenom first
like if you're in 5 target aoe, you'd be slamming an envenom for 100% of its damage, rather than using 1 gcd to do 300% of its damage?
well, 260%
but still
runic hinge
Also we waste a ton of combo points now
balmy condor
you're not doing shit for damage lmao
keen spruce
yeah the cp economy just not that important compared to actually doing AoE damage
visual sun
Call for a reset so it doesn’t happen
balmy condor
would you not trade in 1 gcd to do 160% increased damage on an envenom?
worthy rose
would you not trade in 1 gcd to do 160% increased damage on an envenom?
Coz you’re wasting a multilateral which is 2-3 cp
runic hinge
Yeah lots of things shouldn’t happen in my keys but they do
keen spruce
if this is a common scenario for you then that's it's own problem
worthy rose
Ok clarkson
runic hinge
Yeah every time I mutilate at 6 and double crit I waste 3 combo points and cry
worthy rose
Just mutilate
runic hinge
I know
visual sun
That scenario is avoided by 1 button macro
balmy condor
caustic spatter is very strong, you want caustic spatter, have caustic spatter up
worthy rose
That scenario is avoided by 1 button macro
I’m already ahead of blizzard I’m just knife tossing everything
runic hinge
It’s what makes me realize it’s fine to throw combo points into the wind. Darkness night my arch nemesis
worthy rose
Nonstop poison knife toss
keen spruce
you can look at CP wasted in logs
it very high
always
from seal fate n stuff
and DN
chasing
hidden bay
3cp alot wdym that’s where I finish in raid on with shiv up
keen spruce
hidden bay
Are you gonna stream today
runic hinge
Ask comcast
keen spruce
balmy condor
Are you gonna stream today
no
balmy condor
monday
keen spruce
He manually uncapitalizes it
hidden bay
You faking
keen spruce
to fit in
hidden bay
Yeah
dapper cradle
Is the tuning pass article bugged? I don’t see rogue mentioned
tall jay
my pc barely can take wow
Whispyr s internet can barely take wow lol
hidden bay
Is the tuning pass article bugged? I don’t see rogue mentioned
Next time you see rogue on it, it will be a nerf
tall jay
I think rogue needs to “vanish” from any tuning passes
worthy rose
wish i could stream my raids
Just stream from your phone and point it at your pc
Modern problems require modern solutions
hidden bay
Smart
humble verge
He manually uncapitalizes it
ive had that shit turned off for years
keen spruce
humble verge
Just stream from your phone and point it at your pc
holy shit, im not 3rd world country unlike whisp
hidden bay
Riiiight
worthy rose
I still don’t know how I have the same hardware as whispy and I get half or a quarter the performance
This is god awful
I don’t know what’s wrong with my wow
loud hawk
tyy
worthy rose
Are you in full screen or windowed? @balmy condor
loud hawk
btw how do i remove the outlaw dc role
keen spruce
if I could stream on a 1070
keen spruce
Im sure you guys can stream on w/e you're workin with
worthy rose
Yeah I’m on windowed borderless
keen spruce
dam
worthy rose
If I stream I’m gonna use the one button rotation so I can interact with chat
keen spruce
u got me by like -1 spec
spice surge
Is the tuning pass article bugged? I don’t see rogue mentioned
All the specs that have a + next to them got buffed
tacit hedge
So, do you all ignore the guild master when he tells you to focus Territorial Bombshell?
keen spruce
I think I had a 7700 kabylake
spice surge
Theres a pretty clear pattern except for one spec
humble verge
So, do you all ignore the guild master when he tells you to focus Territorial Bo...
wtf is that
hallow glade
Does sudden demise account for the remaining duration of deathmark?
dapper cradle
All the specs that have a + next to them got buffed
worthy rose
So, do you all ignore the guild master when he tells you to focus Territorial Bo...
I ignore guild leader until it’s time to ninja loot
spice surge
Does sudden demise account for the remaining duration of deathmark?
You mean the dot itself? It should
Or do you mean the "extra" bleeds, if so yes
tacit hedge
wtf is that
Stix Bunkjunker add
humble verge
oh sorry, i got benched for stix
tacit hedge
Unless your rustling my jimmies
humble verge
im in goonjail on mugzee
hallow glade
Like if you have 1s left on deathmark, and your bleeds are close to max duration, does sudden demise think that the damage of the "remaining bleeds" is effectively all doubled, as if deathmark lasted the entire time
spice surge
Yes
fleet pagoda
don't demisemax your deathmark
you're not my real dad
hallow glade
ok nice
spice surge
Same with stuff like BL, PI or pot
fleet pagoda
actually I don't know that for sure 
he could be my real dad
keen spruce
you're not my real dad
hallow glade
So it basically snapshots everything except for duration of the bleeds when finding it is >1.5xhp
humble verge
Apparently ur pc is
im gonna sit here knowing u did not say that
hallow glade
I mean that makes sense it would be difficult to calculate it dynamically
spice surge
Idk if snapshot is the correct word, it checks if your bleed can kill right now
hallow glade
snapshot in the sense that it assumes the current stats/buffs would persist for the duration of the bleeds
worthy rose
im gonna sit here knowing u did not say that
It’s ok I game on a laptop
balmy condor
Are you in full screen or windowed? <@167090536602140682>
Windowed borderless
worthy rose
https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-gif-19259515
That’s me
if yall know naything about laptop hardware
7945hx and 4090
thats the literal desktop 7950x amd ccpu chip
as a lapotp cpu
but the gpu is some borked version of a 4080ti or something desktop
performance of a laptop 4090 is a desktop 3090ti or some shit
keen spruce
I pulled my neck at the gym, then like... double pulled it at the golf course an hour later
worthy rose
not bad performance but costs a billion dollars
keen spruce
now I can't move
worthy rose
my cpu temps sit at 90degrees celsius on the regular tho
keen spruce
worthy rose
toasty]
humble verge
if yall know naything about laptop hardware
coral ibex
muh rog
hollow river
laptop
coral ibex
cooking your balls as it sets your lap on fire
worthy rose
i dont know what deranged individual actually uses a laptop on their lap
its always on a desk
hollow river
its always on a desk
do you have one of those laptop stands for better ventilation?
humble verge
i dont even think my puter is ventalating, atleast i put it on a 2x6 instead of on carpet
worthy rose
do you have one of those laptop stands for better ventilation?
doesnt need it
the laptop i have in particular lifts up a second screen to get max aiirflow for the fans
hollow river
the laptop i have in particular lifts up a second screen to get max aiirflow for...
i...c
worthy rose
Yes this laptop cost me like 5500 usd back in the day
hollow river
i dont even think my puter is ventalating, atleast i put it on a 2x6 instead of ...
i bought a small glass shelf/stand to put my tower on
to keep it off the carpet
hollow river
i love flashing my eyes
nice desk
gusty mirage
humble verge
nice desk
ye its one of those where i can raise and lower it
got it for free cuz someone in my uncles biz building were moving out and cba moving it
winged sun
Adds live longer cuh
pure bridge
how do people get so much spatter damage on Gally? its 6th on my damage profile
Outside of cds lining up and being at the right place at the right time. You would need to check the other raiders doing cleave damage.
winged sun
U wont parse if u have 100 dev evokers saving dmg to 1 shot the adds
hardy prairie
mmm, i mean they were living a decent enough time, and top logs have like 15%+ on caustic
winged sun
Logs are fake
strange python
Logs are perfect scenarios
quasi ingot
i am so much confusion on your build zeross..i just garrote in ST ? maybe ive been up to long
winged sun
i am so much confusion on your build zeross..i just garrote in ST ? maybe ive be...
Yea ofcourse
balmy condor
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LPtrYDMTjzZwHbRC?fight=31&type=damage-done
you got insano gapped on technician damage mate
winged sun
You always garrote idk why people think u never garrote with the build im playing
You only dont garrote if u dont need it for energy in aoe
balmy condor
rank 1 log has like well over 200mil technician damage
hardy prairie
do i need to swap to the group of them and caustic on top of them or is it just having too many other higher aoe people?
runic hinge
The triple garrote from IC is good
Triple garrote me irl
balmy condor
but if you aren't standing on them you definitely should
hardy prairie
that makes sense
winged sun
Triple garrote me irl
thorn thorn
@fallow canopy 
fallow canopy
ebon steppe
