assassination

[winged sun]

Im at 8%

[golden loom]

I love Jerry in your profile pic zeros but it also makes it hard to take anything you say seriously

[haughty flicker]

just have 18% avoidance

[royal lantern]

crit is a bait stat

just crit bozo, why increase the %

like ??????

[lean plover]

If u get 200% vers u will never die btw

[winged sun]

Ye i had 1% crit once and i was giga lucky out of 1 from 1000 quintillion runs that all my abilities crit for the entire run

[acoustic roost]

Isn’t everybody at 50% crit anyways? You either crit or you don’t

[winged sun]

50% crit is diabolical

[golden loom]

Based Runescape math

[haughty flicker]

every crit % is 50%

[winged sun]

Oh true

[haughty flicker]

not for me though i crit 100%

[royal lantern]

real

[lean plover]

i crit 100% if the times i crit

just l2p

[haughty flicker]

27% of the time it works 100% of the time

[humble verge]

i get this reference

[winged sun]

I go for like 5% crit, cuz its 50% chance for it to either crit or not, haste is useless because u have lust lol? And mastery is not needed just press 2 times more bleeds and thats already 100% more mastery.. vers is fake when i change it nothing happens with my dps

[barren yarrow]

I’m like 68% mastery 31% crit. What are you building for 5% crit?

[haughty flicker]

[barren yarrow]

maybe I don’t understand lol

[winged sun]

Im just memeing maybe i should delete it

[barren yarrow]

Oh!

lmao

[haughty flicker]

"whispyr i saw zeross say he only has 5% crit why are you telling me its good"

[royal lantern]

you ascended

https://tenor.com/view/ascending-energy-galaxy-gif-17739196

[winged sun]

Deep thinking

[gusty mirage]

Unironically, true. You either crit or you don’t

[humble verge]

we need to pin this

[gusty mirage]

@royal lantern is it possible for me to get 3 shitty vaults in a row?

[humble verge]

i did

well

not last week but

[lavish wing]

Next week dinars, fuck yeah

[humble verge]

wdym

its 2 weeks

[lavish wing]

Jastor hc come

[humble verge]

??

am i wrong

[winged sun]

2 cocks yep

[lavish wing]

Holup

[humble verge]

100% sure it was 13th

[lavish wing]

Oh shit yea

Damn

I knew it was 13/14. but in my mind that was somehow next week

[royal lantern]

yes

[winged sun]

U know what would be cool

If we could pick a dinar coin from vault, need 3 weekly vaults to buy 1 item

[lavish wing]

I dont mind this way, one instant and the other 3 weeks later

Since i got my hoc hc last night, im in no rush 🤣

[winged sun]

But no i mean like

3 weekly vaults worth of coins

To buy 1 item, but thats a bonus on top of the dinar system

Would be rly cool

[royal lantern]

the idea works, the problem is the playerbase itself tbh

[humble verge]

idk if i should go for jastor or myth shoulders with first dinar

we probably wont kill gally on myth before dinars so

[winged sun]

Same

[lavish wing]

So wait, do we rly need to time 12 to get mythic item from that key for dinar?

[royal lantern]

like, the typical wow player is dumb as rocks and would just refuse his first 6vaults for 2tokens, and then complains about gearing being slow

[winged sun]

Idk i might buy signet priory not sure yet

[humble verge]

https://vxtiwtter.com/bethesda/status/1918015736011755762 what the fuck bethesda

oh

i messed up the link

https://vxtwitter.com/bethesda/status/1918015736011755762

Bethesda (@[e-mail])

Khajiit has sounds if you have ears. 😺

▶ Play video

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[royal lantern]

im not clicking twitter

[humble verge]

AI asmr

what the fuck is this

[lavish wing]

Fckin furries

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[humble verge]

romanian

[sudden brook]

uh

[humble verge]

YEAH

I GOT YOU NOW

WHAT YOU GONNA SAY

[winged sun]

Perma ban inc

[humble verge]

this is all of twitter;

[timber meadow]

started the thread 10 minutes ago

[dapper cradle]

true and real

funny af bro

[primal mural]

In raid do you also use your vanish on pull to apply mark? Cause I'm not able to keep my stealth until I reach the boss

[royal lantern]

huh?

are you rightclicking the boss...?

[fluid dust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty flicker]

dont be out in narnia

[primal mural]

I have right click disabled. Don't know why that would matter

[lavish wing]

Which boss

[primal mural]

Only just did my 3 two bosses as assa and at pull stealth would disappear

[primal mural]

First 3

[lavish wing]

Strange

I sometimes use shroud to help others come closer

But without it no issues

Using some trinket on pull that does dmg?

[primal mural]

Are there any known addons/weakauras that remove your stealth? Cause I'm constantly having this problem in open world also

[coral ibex]

i can't think of anything that would remove you from stealth on pull for the first 3 bosses

[primal mural]

Priory and the azerok one

[coral ibex]

maybe you're just getting parried

or you're face pulling the boss and getting hit first

[lavish wing]

He would feel that 🤣

[shy creek]

@primal mural let me see your gear

[coral ibex]

[primal mural]

I'm a good boy, I wait

[shy creek]

And your buffs bar

[lavish wing]

Maybe someone misdirects u for troll 🤣

Dunno if that would remove stealth

[humble verge]

1 billion lions vs all the pokemon

[primal mural]

is that how I should do it?

[lavish wing]

Maybe u can see it in the logs

Like "what happened to me" etc

I should be either smth that interacts with boss or with ppl who are already in combat

Is that jastor ring, maybe its jastor

[primal mural]

nah, it's some s1 ring

So I'm in Undermine right now and my stealth keeps disappearing every 2-3 seconds just walking. Am I cooked?

[swift bluff]

What was the play to avoid KUJO leap? Evasion? Before leap or before he casts it?

[lavish wing]

Vanish?

I think u gota vanish when he os about to jump to u or even half way, but i might be wrong

[fluid frost]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/rocket-you-got-it-issues-problems-gif-18109301

[sonic pagoda]

how many 640 ilvl rogues you know doing mythic raiding lmao that was from tuesday hahaha

[humble verge]

goat material

[primal mural]

I'm dumb. It was an intellect dagger I equipped by mistake that has some special effect that removed me out of stealth

[lavish wing]

There u go

[sonic pagoda]

just out here grinding havent played rogue since DF and im happy to be back lmao

[lavish wing]

Pls tell me its not crafted 🤣

[sonic pagoda]

that was at 647 ilvl they take me for the buff lmao im up to like 656 now so hopefully i can keep smackin

[primal mural]

it's from the new event :))

[lavish wing]

Oh

Well

[spice spire]

Welcome home king

[quasi hill]

Hey guys, tinkered around with bleed build. Feels awesome on trash, but weaker at bosses compared to hybrid. Is this right or just feelcraft?

Talking 11ish m+

[fossil falcon]

Guys, what s the main difference in gameplay between hybrid and bleed build? apart ofr KB

[runic hinge]

bleed is the top one

[quasi hill]

So just be about the same

[runic hinge]

yeah

[quasi hill]

Okay then just a feeling

With bleed build we still forget that tea exist and ignore it ?

[runic hinge]

not a lot of difference, you're spreading bleeds

then you still have caustic envenoms

you can also send shivs kinda whenever, with DM of course but then the non-dm shivs can be whenever you get bleeds running or save for execute if you want

[golden loom]

In Single target on bleed you prio maintaining CT over regular envenoms and try to stay at 150+ energy for sanguine blades

[fossil falcon]

Oh ok thx

[grave osprey]

is the hybrid build dead?

[fossil falcon]

And maybe bleed focus more in swapping targets than hybrid?

[balmy condor]

Wait that’s goated

[thick brook]

but now i need Mythic Mug Jug even more so gl with that

[lethal arrow]

Didn't kill oab this week so now I can't get HoC in my vault before we extend

[lethal arrow]

[humble verge]

wait

why didnt my message pop

[warm vortex]

Idk how this is even a debate

All pokemon win with ease

If it was non-legendaries it would be more interesting

[haughty flicker]

People who think any amount of lions stand a chance never actually played Pokémon

[warm vortex]

or only played gen 1

or smth

[haughty flicker]

One magcargo solos literally every lion that has ever existed and ever will exist

[warm vortex]

Also nintendo just write things

and don't think about it

[lethal arrow]

It's a lot of lions

[warm vortex]

They are litearlly pokemon that can control time and space
But it is a lot of lions

[haughty flicker]

Yeah funny lava snail being almost twice as hot as the surface of the sun

[warm vortex]

No not that one

Or well

That is an example e

but not the one im thinking of rn]

[haughty flicker]

Earth Pokémon using earthquake in the middle of town and not destroyed the city block

[warm vortex]

Yea lanturns one

Hold on

[oak tangle]

anyone done a video pressing one button on PTR?

[lethal arrow]

Ultra necrozma is like 10k farenheit

[warm vortex]

??????????

How much fucking energy do you need for this

[nova aspen]

the same amount of energy it takes to envenom

[lethal arrow]

But the lions

[oak tangle]

where can you see lions?

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dance-lions-gif-5155564

[warm vortex]

Omg haha

[lethal arrow]

100 men vs 1 lion

[warm vortex]

100 lions vs 1 man

[lethal arrow]

100 lions vs 1 lion

[warm vortex]

100 men vs 1 man

[haughty flicker]

But the one lion is Mike Tyson

[warm vortex]

100 men vs 100 men

[grave osprey]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lethal arrow]

100 US senators vs 1 gorilla

[glad tusk]

Hey guys, gearing my assa rogue alt atm. We dont play kingsbane in m plus anymore? I played it S1 a bit

^ just checked archon.gg most played talents

[lethal arrow]

You don't have to

But u can

Bleed build very popular in keys atm

Especially higher ones

[glad tusk]

just looking for the " easiest one with the most dmg " kind of thing

[lethal arrow]

Yeah bleed is extremely low effort and high dmg

[glad tusk]

exactly what im looking for then

[lethal arrow]

And the execute is nice

[oak tangle]

dafuuuuuuqqqq not even using dtb

[lethal arrow]

There's a pin about it if u need to learn the rotation

[glad tusk]

is it the pin with " whispyr's " video?

this

[oak tangle]

is there a non kingsbane ST build?

[limber lion]

No

[oak tangle]

good

[limber lion]

lol

[ebon steppe]

7min st, my character got roughly 2.3mdps in sim but in real fight it could be like 2.5
What is the key factor that causing this difference or is it just how sims should be

[spice surge]

You probably could cook one up thats not horrible if you really wanted to

[ebon steppe]

Is blindside influencing assa sims badly？

[limber lion]

What does that mean?

[oak tangle]

i do like that there is more of a seperate gameplay loop between aoe and ST then

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limber lion]

Maybe you got PI, crit, lucky with procs, externals

Could be whatever

Fight design

[oak tangle]

was one of the reasons i chose not to play sin this patch

[spice surge]

Also 9% buff in the raid

[ebon steppe]

Oh right

[warm vortex]

Also

[lethal arrow]

Sin is great this patch

Having a good time

[warm vortex]

Sims do not equal damage in raid

They are mainly for seeing what gear you should use and what telents are better

[ebon steppe]

Yeah i get that

[lethal arrow]

Yeah just compare urself to others on Warcraft logs

Unhealthily

[ebon steppe]

Just wondering cuz the difference seems to be huge

9%buff it is i think

[keen spruce]

[spice surge]

And to answer the followup "but why does other classes sim so much more?" i cant really tell because i havent done anything on their modules, but i (and whispyr) can assure you that weve looked very hard at trying to find out why "assa sims so low"

No really finding much that seems to be wrong either, so idk

[oak tangle]

other specs are unethical

[coral ibex]

have you guys considered just making envenom do 1.5x damage in the sim

[solar eagle]

I expected this auto rotation to be bad. But that's literally misleading AND awful

[keen spruce]

It’s cuz Whispyr is a

[coral ibex]

[ebon steppe]

Yeah I've wondered that but I don't compare sims or wcl overall dmg between different specs tbh

[keen spruce]

[solar eagle]

People who will be dumb enough to use aauto rotation will shoot themselves in the foot for anything higher than th last heroic half of the raid

[oak tangle]

i don't agree, doing 50% of your sim is well more than enough to do content

[solar eagle]

To finish the campaign and normal mode perhaps

A couple of low delves

[oak tangle]

what did you think it's for?

[spice surge]

Ye which is the entire point

I have no idea why this upsets people

[coral ibex]

that's literally exactly what its for

[solar eagle]

I'm sure I do more dps smaashing my bar than auto rotation

[coral ibex]

doing low level/low stakes content

[coral ibex]

i would certainly hope so, but why does it matter to you

[solar eagle]

The point is, it's misleading, because unlike brainless smashing, a wrong rotation actually gets you used to it

[oak tangle]

where is it leading you?

[ebon steppe]

The reason why i asked that question is
In lockenstock, a heavy movement fight, i could do 2.4-2.5mdps but it's much more higher than my own sim so

[solar eagle]

Well if you keep using it until mythic content and figure something is off

[coral ibex]

you won't tho

you'd never get close to mythic content

[solar eagle]

Yeah, msot ppl going that far will just stick to what they always have

[coral ibex]

the people who are going to use it will be busy in LFR and heroic dungeons

[solar eagle]

But Idk this auto rotation is just dum

[oak tangle]

the problem that you have is, that DPS is not the win loss condition of high m+ / raid, it's movement and doing mechanics

[spice surge]

thats the point

[hollow river]

They aren’t done with it

You realize that, right?

[spice surge]

Like its not supposed to be the best

[coral ibex]

it is supposed to be an accessibility feature

[spice surge]

Its literally designed to be bad

[coral ibex]

not a replacement for raiders to do their rotation

[spice surge]

Because it has an extra long gcd

[solar eagle]

How about something directly taken from dedicated theorycrafters ?

Rotations in this discord are piss easy

[coral ibex]

you dont get it man

[solar eagle]

You can use them even below max level

[coral ibex]

the players for whom this is being built

are not interested in going to a class discord

and learning how to play a spec

they want to enjoy the lore and story and dont give a fuck about performance

[oak tangle]

to be blunt.. this is a feature largely for people with mental / physical impairments

[solar eagle]

Yeha but it doesnt cost much to just, Idk try to aat least mimic what we do here

[hollow river]

If talking about just using the hekilli version of it, he has a point

[oak tangle]

not for world first raiding

[coral ibex]

THEY. DONT. CARE.

they do not care

[solar eagle]

Silently copying what we do lmao

[coral ibex]

it doesnt matter to them

[solar eagle]

Yeah figured

[coral ibex]

nothing about it matters

[solar eagle]

Would have been too good

[coral ibex]

none of the content they do requires even remotely expending that much effort

[solar eagle]

doesnt matter for ret, auto or not, you do damage, but rogue, another story

[coral ibex]

and you'll literally never interact with them unless you go do legacy content

[keen spruce]

It’s not supposed to do damage

It’s supposed to let impaired people play the game

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[hollow river]

The one button mode is whatever, but he has a point if talking about the rotation helper

[solar eagle]

I feel like it's marketed for new player feature

[ebon steppe]

That Auto rotation feature and auto tea are designed for same kind of players imo

[hollow river]

Teaching people incorrect muscle memory not good

[solar eagle]

Just that

[spice surge]

Its just mimicking what heiklii already does

Which is exactly the same sort of missleading most of the time

So

[solar eagle]

I'd rather get used to whatever wowhead or this discord spits out

[keen spruce]

If I started a new mmo and it isn’t had me hit one button for all of my abilities I’d uninstall so fast my hard drive would crash

[hollow river]

But they aren’t finished with the rotation helper, so just hope they fix it up

[ebon steppe]

But tbh
If i created a monk but only for unlocking transmogs for my rogue

[coral ibex]

well you're either the kind of player who cares about improving and you'll seek out external resources and figure it out, or you dont care about improving, in which case there's no problem

[keen spruce]

Ain’t no way that’s a marketing feature for new players

[ebon steppe]

I will need that auto rotation

[oak tangle]

we're also comparing a fresh released system, that got announced a day ago

[haughty flicker]

Can’t wait to phone in reclears by putting some coins to hold down my one button rotation while I do something else

[spice surge]

Idk its wild to me that people get upset over an accessability feature that doesnt impact them at all

[solar eagle]

They don't care apparently, but had they just take all the work from wowhead or another reliable source this feature would have been goated

[hollow river]

I don’t think anyone is upset Eleem

[coral ibex]

the game also gives you "starter" talents that are turbo garbage

[solar eagle]

Blizz is NEVER gonna help us achieve 99 logs

[spice surge]

Theres definitely people that are online

[coral ibex]

if you care enough to change talents you'll just find external resources

[haughty flicker]

I’ve seen more people upset about people being upset than I’ve seen upset people

[hollow river]

Not in this conversation I mean

[ebon steppe]

Yeah I will expect like 50% of normal dps

[keen spruce]

No I mean it existing is fine, I just dont see a world where any labor or effort would be put into to the system to make it more current rotation accurate

[polar rampart]

1 button rotation will make my parses go up

[haughty flicker]

But I also avoid forums and wowhead comments

[solar eagle]

We need a Ravenholdt auto rotation addon taking its API from the source

[hollow river]

I know there’s a lot of people that are upset about it online, which is weird but in part I get where it comes from

[oak tangle]

differening gcd's mean that's just fundamentally not possible

[hollow river]

It’s just them taking it out of context mostly

[ebon steppe]

True

[solar eagle]

As a bot, I am glad this came out

[ebon steppe]

And with that , will blz just delete that fking auto tea mechanic？

Shit just dumb

[hollow river]

Like obviously it’s a great accessibility addition to the game, which will also make it easy for console players to play wow too

[polar rampart]

will really reduce the scripting you have to do

[solar eagle]

Wowhead new guides : Use auto rotation

[fallow canopy]

some people just live to get mad

[hollow river]

People online just view it as more “dumbing down the game” as if it were a thing everyone is going to use, which it isn’t

[solar eagle]

Honestly.. a that point, who cares

Let's just be it

[low thicket]

I fully expect half my raid to use auto rotation. I swear they go full bot mode sometimes >.<

[polar rampart]

i mean when they had the 20th even and showed ppl with bad health situations who could escape in wow, it did kinda make me feel that they can't even enjoy it like we do, it's good for that

[fallow canopy]

I just live to @thorn thorn

[haughty flicker]

I’m 100% using it as a meme

[ebon steppe]

If smashing only 1 button will do 50% of normal dps， i know some people will be just happy to use it ngl

Better than themselves

but if it could do70%

[solar eagle]

I mean I don't expect anyone to use it in weekly level keys.. right ? right ??

[hollow river]

Same I want to see how high rated I can get with it in pvp

[ebon steppe]

That's too much imo

[solar eagle]

I don't expect any toxicity like "another idiot using auto rotation" then kicking him out of the key

[lethal arrow]

If u catch someone using it in high end content, ur legally allowed to kill them

[haughty flicker]

Ok but spamming one button for your weekly 10s while watching Netflix goes hard

[oak tangle]

i don't mean this as a joke, but just think of how much more enjoyment someone who has a birth defect which gives them use of 2 or 3 fingers only.

[polar rampart]

they should just have autoplay feature for weekly 10s

[lapis spindle]

Blizz should let Whispyr access the auto rotation source code for sin rogues so we are saved

[normal mist]

• in game

[lapis spindle]

I think they should let us custom the thing

[lethal arrow]

The auto rotation helper told a guy to reapply poisons in the opener

[lapis spindle]

But even then, shoving the proper rotation wouldnt do much I reckon

[polar rampart]

they should let us make tool assisted M+ routes

[hollow river]

[lapis spindle]

There are no gcd stuff, muscle memory is extremely important with rogue, etc

[royal lantern]

you know what irks me a bit there

they do it while yelling "its for people with disabilitys" while colorblind stuff breaks every single patch and half of the new things dont work for months

[royal lantern]

im a tool that assists people

[ebon steppe]

they should delete autotea

[normal mist]

auto tea is fine

no one cares

0.3% optimization

[royal lantern]

i honestly think they should remove it with the auto rotation again tbh

[lapis spindle]

Like do you guys think if they let us put anything in this feature, so that we put say the last proper ST rotation in, it would be actually viable ?

[haughty flicker]

I mean it should probably be a choice

[royal lantern]

well, yeha

[haughty flicker]

But yeah it’s not something I spend time caring about

[royal lantern]

same

as long as it doesnt matter, its w/e

[low thicket]

I let the tea sip itself

[lapis spindle]

They should do that in classic, with frost mages

[low thicket]

yum yum

[oak tangle]

with the added gcd's i don't think you'd prefer it, as you'd likely have to edit the opener from optimal

[lapis spindle]

Not to mention sometimes you need to spam it, or reset the rotation, or hit a different button etc etc etc

MAYBE as an opener it would be okay

[royal lantern]

no

mate, 0,3sec gcd penalty is absolutely massive lol

after 5 abilitys, you are 1 ability behind allready

[oak tangle]

maybe, but there is already specific timings for dm and shiv in opener that allows them to line up correctly inside key KB timings

[hollow river]

It sips the tea on its shiv.. or else it gets the hose again

[royal lantern]

like, its such a gigantic gap

[lapis spindle]

Yeah xD

[royal lantern]

the gcd penalty makes it unusable for anything that is not LFR and world content

[haughty flicker]

I’m going to train my cat to play wow with it

[royal lantern]

as it should be and is supposed to be

[lapis spindle]

it's basically just an official big macro really

[hollow river]

It’s 0.2s right

[lapis spindle]

It'd work on demonos probably

[hollow river]

Pretty gnarly loss

[low thicket]

0.2145236723

[royal lantern]

they changed it to 0,3 sec allready

[lapis spindle]

I remember in MoP 1 button macro = 1 full demonology rotation

[haughty flicker]

.3s

[royal lantern]

even 0,2 is massive

[haughty flicker]

So even bigger

[royal lantern]

tbh

[oak tangle]

to be fair, it's still useable for normal raid

[polar rampart]

there will be an addon that goes around the gcd penalty

[hollow river]

From what I saw it casts off GCDs properly

[royal lantern]

like, for most specs thats literally "every 5 abilitys you are 1 ability behind"

[hollow river]

Without delay I think

[royal lantern]

in a 5min fight you are like, 20-30 missing ability casts lol

[lapis spindle]

Best is to shove off this auto rotation from your action bar and forget about it

[royal lantern]

well yeha, its not supposed to be used by us

[hollow river]

Highly doubt it

It’s kinda funny how polarizing this subject is

[royal lantern]

its literally for the 5year old that plays wow with his dad and thinks hunters are cool cus they can have a wolf

or the guy that broke his wrist and is out for 6months and still wants to do SOMETHING

[hollow river]

When GSE macros have always existed

[royal lantern]

not for raiding/m+ lol

[hollow river]

[ebon steppe]

Idk man if it depends on the content they are playing or how bad they are at this game

[coral ibex]

lemme find the video

https://youtu.be/a9iZ-80xMz0

this guy makes a living off one button macro videos

[hollow river]

[coral ibex]

there's a massive audience for this feature

[hollow river]

It’s been around forever

[ebon steppe]

Let me guess

[hollow river]

Now blizzard just making it in their own way

[haughty flicker]

I’m 100% using this feature on reclears

[oak tangle]

back to my comment about physical ailments, if you have only the use of 1 or 2 fingers, a one button rotation potentially gives you ~50% of the dps of optimal but allows you to press your movement buttons to not die

[solar eagle]

I think this is an inherently bad thing for the game, for new players or current ones. It removes the essence of gameplay, makes new ppl takes terrible habits. The better approach would have been to glow all skills that need to be used instead of a 1 button feature

[coral ibex]

one of our warlocks is missing the tips of 2 fingers on his left hand and just ordered a fucking powerglove or some shit

[ebon steppe]

zoldyck

[coral ibex]

maybe he will use the one button

[ebon steppe]

Yeah i think that's reasonable

[coral ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1172832306793287730/1366517984415449159/image.png?ex=6815d9cc&is=6814884c&hm=548434662c236b98f4f8f2ca43ef6283194bd4c631bd2d829fa77a16c155a948&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=738&height=742

[solar eagle]

Blizzard being Blizzard, awful exeecutions, good ideas

[ebon steppe]

Really, thats exactly what I'm expecting of this feature

[solar eagle]

A feature that not only hinders any newcomer from learning remotely anything, but literally prevents them from delving properly into any class

[ebon steppe]

Let noobs have an easy way to enjoy this game, without hurting good players

[haughty flicker]

It doesn’t prevent anything lmao

[ebon steppe]

Mechanic wise

[solar eagle]

Make them put the skills in their action bar and glow them up

[coral ibex]

the wild assumptions required for this line of logic fall apart when faced with real player behavior

[solar eagle]

How about when it's time to actually hit more buttons >?

[oak tangle]

also, people acting like it's a use the one button or not, but there is a use case where it helps out with RSI and you still cast some of your other abilities. i.e cd's normally, and then use one button for spammable style stuff

[coral ibex]

not all newcomers are the same

some players dont give a shit about performance or raid and never will

[ebon steppe]

Yeah that's a problem

but in my opinion

[haughty flicker]

The new player that never stops using this feature is the same player that would never have looked into learning the class anyway

The ones that want to learn can still learn

[sonic pagoda]

Why does it matter?

WHy do you care if they implement a 1 button rotation?

[haughty flicker]

This is not a bad thing to add

[solar eagle]

How is this feature any helpful, at all ?

[ebon steppe]

you should enjoy this game first, and put a work into it to get better at it in future

not the other way around

[solar eagle]

There is not a single thing good about it

[sonic pagoda]

Yes there is lol

[oak tangle]

the argument i have seen is that the gameplay should be simpler / more intuitive to begin with, and that a one button helper is a bandaid fix for that

[coral ibex]

i mean i've said multiple times what the good things are

[sonic pagoda]

There is litterally a paralyzed guy that plays with his breath

[haughty flicker]

Immensely useful to people with hand impairments

[coral ibex]

you're just choosing to ignore them

[sonic pagoda]

Youve seen wow grandma

[haughty flicker]

That otherwise couldn’t play

[ebon steppe]

in today's wow, you need to learn like 30 hrs to get in ur first key

[sonic pagoda]

you think all wow players are desolate incel high school kids?

[ebon steppe]

2+

[solar eagle]

People with impairement have figured a million solutions to play the game

As they have with countless MMOs

[polar rampart]

all the good ones

[hoary lake]

Is there a github for the rogue sims backend?

[sonic pagoda]

ANd now blizzard is making itmore accessiable great business decision that will grow the community

[haughty flicker]

Lmao

Accessibility is bad because players can figure out how to work around not having it

What a take

[hollow river]

These things look so interesting. I always wonder if I’d like them.

[solar eagle]

It's not accessibility

[coral ibex]

it literally is

[solar eagle]

No other online game does that

[solar wyvern]

Wait I'm just catching up are we really complaining about the single rotation helper that will NOT*** have negative impact on 99.999% of the player and positive impact for 5+%?

[solar eagle]

Quote me ONE

[ebon steppe]

The real thing is

[sonic pagoda]

I mean hekili exists and it will parse you at 90% in heroic raids lol what?

[solar eagle]

ONE game that does that

[marble hemlock]

Yeah. But they should, just like WoW is doing now.

Making games more accessible is not a bad thing.

[coral ibex]

final fantasy 14 has multiple specs that have ability sequences condensed into one button

[acoustic roost]

FFXIV does it with their combos

[solar eagle]

There are better ways to do so

[coral ibex]

and you are able to separate them if you choose

[polar rampart]

i donno, i feel they need to go back to more mmo gameplay to attract a more broad audience, general public doesn't want a lobby mmr game

[coral ibex]

what do i win with my 1 eeexample

[solar eagle]

You still have to put theem into your action bar and hit them

[coral ibex]

you also have to hit the 1 button button

[blazing tulip]

Imagine having an option that allows you to play and enjoy content without spending 100s of extra dollars in specialized equipment.

[coral ibex]

?????????????

[acoustic roost]

No it’s one button

[ebon steppe]

Good players and bad players and noob players and Stephen Hawking players

[sonic pagoda]

I guess its a shame you are not an advisor that works for blizzard huh? just some nobody on discord complaining

[marble hemlock]

Nah, fuck them.

[ebon steppe]

they all pay

[coral ibex]

i swear this guy is baiting

this can't be real

[solar eagle]

1 button. For about a dozen skills

[ebon steppe]

That's what blz cares

[radiant raven]

It's not a dozen skills, though.

Because it dosn't include cooldowns, defensives, interrupts, etc.

[sonic pagoda]

WHich wow class has a dozen skills in rotation?

THis tokarev guy is an incel clearly

[solar eagle]

Great, then keep telling yourself this is good, and this is actually leveraging the game high, when it absolutely doesn't. Not gonna argue with people who'd rather stay in a closed bubble, thinking it's no big deal

[solar eagle]

moron

[solar wyvern]

I dont even get it why complain in assa channel? Oh no people can press 1 button to do their rotation instead of 2

:^)

[hollow river]

There’s no need to start insulting each other

Chill out

[sonic pagoda]

You are clearly ignorant and havent went outside to touch grass in a while

[solar eagle]

Done arguing with toddlers

[ebon steppe]

Hey.

[solar wyvern]

Okay guys chill

[coral ibex]

ok cya later

[lean plover]

But how does it affect you?

[proud pelican]

Oh fk yeah I love when they start telling each other to touch grass 🍿

[sonic pagoda]

Bro go touch grass and complain somewhere else like redit lmao

[acoustic roost]

Like you said people have been doing one button cast sequence gameplay for years and it hasn’t affected you

Not sure how it’s affecting you now

[ebon steppe]

If ur good

[sonic pagoda]

Someone link the shiv tea cast sequence for tokarev

[ebon steppe]

in this game

just don't fucking use it

that's all

[lean plover]

If you are not trash at the game you will never play with people that use it as well

[sonic pagoda]

Or someone link him a cast sequence macro for poisons

[solar wyvern]

Wait this is insane tech

[sonic pagoda]

i mean I mythic raid and then raid normal raids on my alt with a 50+ old man raid and its chill af

[oak tangle]

i'm not so sure on this one, but at least they will be doing ~50% of what is optimal

[blazing tulip]

It will make my grey parses look bad.

[ebon steppe]

It's not like autotea, its punishing good or just okay ish players
Auto rotation does 0% harm to good players

[lean plover]

Ye

[lapis spindle]

The one button macro for demono locks in MoP was genuinely working for high content, albeit it made you a worse player

[sonic pagoda]

Do you honestly think the 1 button rotation will harm ret pala or bm hunter?

[coral ibex]

wait maybe people are just mad because the one button rotation will artificially inflate the floor for parses and that means they will have to work harder for the same parse

[ebon steppe]

if it has any impact to good players

[marble hemlock]

who gives a flying fuck how optimal or not it is. it allows people to play the game who otherwise may not be able to without either third-party support that they have to find first, or specialized equipment that lets them play the game.

people who will be using this feature do not give the slightest fuck about whether itll get them 50, 70 or 90% of the "optimal DPS".

[tall atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iogMlulers

[ebon steppe]

This feature will bring us a larger community

[tall atlas]

anyway to make my plater behave like this? the way it moves

[sonic pagoda]

This guy gets it

[oak tangle]

i've seen the negative viewpoint that it will push trolls and not so great players up into higher content. But i inherently disagree with that philosphy and think that those people will be there anyway, this just brings up the floor

[marble hemlock]

itll let more people have fun enjoying the story, do some worldquests, maybe some story mode raid or low m+. it aint rocket science

[ebon steppe]

10+ yes

[sonic pagoda]

Blizzard optimising its interface and user mechanics for all players is just good business

[ebon steppe]

15+ i doubt

[marble hemlock]

do i think the game has a great story or those content pieces are good? nah. but it doesnt affect me negatively, so my opinion on this matters jackshit.

[blazing tulip]

Seems like people never heard of GSE. Addons already do that, Blizz only did a bad version of it.

[sonic pagoda]

Do you think they complained when they added edit mode for the game ui instead of using bartender and move anything????

[coral ibex]

yes

bro linked the imgur front page

[fallow canopy]

nah we need to get mad about things that don't affect us at all didnt you get the memo?

[sonic pagoda]

I love when blizzards adds stuff that allows me to use less cpu through addons lmao like what is the issue?

[ebon steppe]

Enjoy first, learn later

[radiant raven]

Replace all raiding with pet battles and they'll fix all the toxicity overnight.

[coral ibex]

EVERYONE must play the game like i do and if yoU DONT THEN U are WRONg

[sonic pagoda]

Maybe i want to crank the hawg with the boys and 1 button some delves and quests like what?

[ebon steppe]

That's what im expecting

for newbees

[sonic pagoda]

Every one must be stinky not bathe but once a week and push for 90% parses in mythic lmao

[coral ibex]

new bees

[radiant raven]

Pet battles

[coral ibex]

not to be confused with old bees

[ebon steppe]

Old bees learned first

Painfully

[solar eagle]

You're ok with this ?

[keen tundra]

dude i stg did they remove the frontal indicator off the car in mechagon first boss

[hollow river]

not the same

[tall atlas]

this is like final fantasy

[ebon steppe]

Thought you've done arguing

[solar eagle]

Well it doesn't affect anyone but the guy so it's good

[radiant raven]

Damn, they added a mission impossible lazer dance room fight?

[ebon steppe]

[solar eagle]

Addon helping you dodge

[marble hemlock]

did you get bullied by the disabled kid in school or why are you so upset about people who struggle to even be able to play the game getting some additional support to do so?

[sonic pagoda]

Ami oka with a new player clicking abilities because no one has been decent enough to teach them? or they are impaired, Disabled, elderly, or playing the game how they want to play it as they pay for it just like everyone else?

[solar eagle]

No I'm fine with it so as long as people are fine with that above

[oak tangle]

idk about you, but those lines look a hell of a lot like the blue ones that are infront of coins on one-armed, or the web blades on ansurek

[marble hemlock]

its not even remotely in the same scope

[solar eagle]

Impaired needs that addon too fyi

[solar eagle]

It is

[ebon steppe]

The question is
Is letting Stephen Hawking players enjoy this game hurts you that much？
Man i just don't get ur angle tbh

[solar eagle]

DOdging actually requires reflexes and movement

[marble hemlock]

one helps people press rotational buttons, the other helps people deal with boss mechanics. if you cant even separate the two, then you really are just trolling and ragebaiting at this point

[proud pelican]

The ppl complaining about the 1 button thing are the ones who are scared that a player using it will be able to out damage them while they play natty 😂

[lean plover]

No bro thats not the same

wtf

[sonic pagoda]

Tokarev please post your logs or raider io

[radiant raven]

Honestly that fight sucked and adding more visual clarity on where the orbs went would've been a good thing, so yeah that's actually an improvement to the fight.

[sonic pagoda]

so i can judge what kind of content you go through please

[radiant raven]

Which is something they've been doing to the game overall.

[solar eagle]

So both are Ok you say ?

[lean plover]

whats the problem with turbitrash or impaired players not needing to think about their rotation while farming HFC

[fallow canopy]

Ok ragebaiting confirmed

[sonic pagoda]

Tokarev please post your characters stats so i can judge where your shit opinion is coming from

[solar eagle]

"impaired" player is the only argument ?

[ebon steppe]

Yeah trolling basically

[marble hemlock]

theyre not even remotely the same, so no, the latter is not okay. but i will say that improved visual clarity is smth blizzard should also keep striving for, and some fights are just fucking awful with it

[solar eagle]

Why is the latter not ok ?

[keen spruce]

Are we still talking about the rotation thingy?

[marble hemlock]

i literally just explaiend it

[solar eagle]

It helps doesnt it

[shy axle]

is there a secret strat on the bee boss that involves not using the vehicles to burst the barrels? I find myself the only one doing them back to back in 13 keys

[lean plover]

And turbotrash, as its in the message xd

[fallow canopy]

Sadly

[keen spruce]

[marble hemlock]

so unless youre interested in a good faith argument, kindly stop arguing altogether

[keen spruce]

Buh I’m almost done at the gym and this started when I was in the parking lot

[fallow canopy]

Keep working out until the discussion ends as a challenge

[solar eagle]

it's laughing howw genuinely flaw your argument is. But you just said this addon was okay and should even have been official so i'm good, I know now

[oak tangle]

way to flex on me like that, i've just been sitting in my chair

[keen spruce]

It’s leg day I’m gonna die

[hollow river]

too short, get back in there

[solar eagle]

let bad players use that

[lean plover]

you still havent explained hiw it negatively affects you tho

[marble hemlock]

if it makes you feel happy to think i said smth i didnt say, enjoy

[ebon steppe]

[solar eagle]

The game not me

[coral ibex]

aint no way this guy is still posting

[fallow canopy]

He won't

[solar eagle]

If i didnt give two cent about this game i wouldnt

[lean plover]

explain how pls

[sonic pagoda]

Tokarev you might be someone to use the auto rotation helper might help you parse better you wont kill big bosses but your parses will be better lol

[lean plover]

How will it negatively affect the gsme

[solar eagle]

I said it above

[lethal arrow]

This guy hates the disabled

[solar eagle]

Leveraging towards the bottom

[sonic pagoda]

It doesnt have an affect on the game

[solar eagle]

On new players taking awful habits yeah

And crap ideas coming out and being welcomed

[ebon steppe]

Azeroth Darwinism

[lethal arrow]

Ok but how does that impact anything

[lean plover]

No, its catering to the vast majority of this game

[sonic pagoda]

new players click spells like what until they are taught otherwise

[coral ibex]

do you have any idea the percent of active players that are casual, ie never engage in content beyond LFR or LFD

[radiant raven]

Does he know it's optional. Like, you can just not use it.

[ebon steppe]

only good players survive

[lethal arrow]

If they want to get good they'll eventually realize it, and if they don't care they'll keep using it

[coral ibex]

MOST wow players fit this mold

[sonic pagoda]

your view point is very scarce on not in a good bias

[solar eagle]

Thats not helping them

[lean plover]

do you rly think average wow player yellow parses on nythic oab or?

[solar eagle]

guides and glowing buttons are

[coral ibex]

why do you think they need help?

[solar eagle]

codex and all that stuff is helping

[coral ibex]

are they asking for help?

did they ask you?

[lean plover]

Why would a player that collects mounts care about rotstion

[solar eagle]

you are out of touch

[proud pelican]

Who cares if the players that it’s meant for build bad habits they’re just happy to log in dude

[lethal arrow]

If they want to improve they will do so on their own or ppl will help them

[hollow saddle]

Anyone tried this?

[lean plover]

or a player that just worldquests

[marble hemlock]

theres a massive difference between lowering the ceiling, or increasing the floor. the rotation tool will help increase the skill floor for people who, for one reason or another, couldnt get to that level before.

the other end of it, is lowering the skill ceiling through addon support that makes fights easier than they were intended, whether that is by solving mechanics automatically or improving visual clarity. none of those are okay, imo, but lack of visual clarity should NOT be the reason why a mechanic is difficult.

[coral ibex]

you're the one out of touch, you literally cannot conceive of a casual wow player

you think everyone who plays wow gets on the same treadmill

with the same end goal

of clearing end game content in any capacity

this simply isnt true

[lethal arrow]

The average wow player runs m+ 5 as a challenge and doesn't touch heroic raid

[solar eagle]

SO yes same argument "don't use it if you don't want to"
Then don't use this if you don't want to

[wooden star]

You wouldn't take imp ambush though

[wet spire]

lol why do we care about the casuals anyways just let them be casual and do what you do

[lethal arrow]

This isn't gunna hurt them

[solar eagle]

Who said anything about clearing anything ?

[lean plover]

Vast VAST majority of this gane doesnt care about endgane cintent

[coral ibex]

you are the one linking gifs of a raid fight

[lethal arrow]

Difference being this isn't in the game

[marble hemlock]

anyway

[coral ibex]

of some kind

[solar eagle]

Using 1 button is harmful because it completely destroys the gameplay

[lethal arrow]

Tf kind of argument is this

[coral ibex]

so clearly you care about it

[hollow saddle]

Yeah good shout, trying to find something new. Bleed build just too weak at my keys rn

[lean plover]

FOR WHO

[wooden star]

But otherwise yeah it's worth a try

[solar eagle]

Everyone using it

[marble hemlock]

youre clearly an expert in cognitive vacancy, so ill leave you to it, cba wasting time on dumb arguments like this

[sonic pagoda]

maybe it enhances the gameplay for some who just enjoy playing the game you are simply out of touch with reality and delusional

[solar eagle]

Same argument when it came to boosting

[lethal arrow]

Comparing an optional tool for casuals/the disabled to literal cheats is a garbage argument wtf

[solar eagle]

Who cares about boostee

[lean plover]

if people have it enabled and use it, they dont care about it

[thorn thorn]

[lean plover]

bc they want to wq

[fallow canopy]

Honestly you guys are saints for engaging so long with his nonsense

[lean plover]

or farm mounts

[solar eagle]

They deplete keys and wipe raids ? who cares

[lethal arrow]

Honestly it doesn't matter, tokarev link logs

[sonic pagoda]

Tokarev please go take a shower

[lean plover]

no bother with rotation

[ebon steppe]

[coral ibex]

so true

[lethal arrow]

Tokarev post warcraftlogs

[lean plover]

you are either rsgebating

[lethal arrow]

Rn

[lean plover]

or delusional

[coral ibex]

if his logs are worse than mine he's not allowed to have an opinion

[lean plover]

actualy i think both

[hidden bay]

[solar eagle]

forgot about the only thing that matters : dick contest

[ebon steppe]

if his logs are worse than mine he's not allowed to have an opinion

[lethal arrow]

Show 99s rn

[solar eagle]

same people who are okay with boosting

[sonic pagoda]

Ive asked tokarev to post logs and raider io so i can judge his viewpoint of gameplay lmao it seems hes not good enough to get into end game content and will somehow suffer from new players using an addon thats not even out now

[lean plover]

What has boosting to do with this

wtf

[solar eagle]

Leveraging the game towards lower bottom, absolut apes

keep it on

idiots

[fallow canopy]

Damn king of the 50/50s

[lethal arrow]

Hes terrified of being out parsed by a 40 year old dad hitting 1 button

[haughty flicker]

[lethal arrow]

He awoke in a cold sweat thinking about this

[haughty flicker]

im saving that one for later

[sonic pagoda]

Maybe tokarev needs a timout from discord???

[radiant raven]

Why do you care so much about what other people do in the game. You will never have to interact with them. Let people just play the game the way they want to. it has no negative impact on you or the game as a whole.

[haughty flicker]

goes so hard

[lean plover]

this only affects people doing wqs or mounts xd

it doesnt affect gameplat ti anyone but those who dont care about it

[oak tangle]

Objectively, how does making the bottom level of the game do on average more dps, leveraging TOWARDS the bottom?

[sonic pagoda]

Nice lfr logs bro

[lethal arrow]

Mustve been hekili

[marble hemlock]

just stop feeding the troll and itll go away

[oak tangle]

i wanna feed him till he says something cooked to be gone away for good

[proud pelican]

Idk I’m kinda here for it

[sonic pagoda]

No this is hekili

[ebon steppe]

Mythic

[coral ibex]

post ur heroic logs bro if you can't mog me you gotta stop typing

[keen spruce]

One button gamers

[lethal arrow]

#wow-general message

He parses purple on ret paladin

Kill him

[marble hemlock]

only button i press in this game is the "exit" one on the menu

[coral ibex]

RET PALADIN

bro is feeling the pressure on his one button spec

[lethal arrow]

He's genuinely terrified of being out dpsed by 1 button 40 year old geriatric men

[ebon steppe]

He parses purple on ret paladin

[oak tangle]

low key i love how 3/4 screenshots have been from previous tier

[haughty flicker]

ok but lets see your lfr dausegne parses

[sonic pagoda]

Hey i resemble that remark lmao

[lethal arrow]

Post some current logs

[keen spruce]

[lethal arrow]

😤

[haughty flicker]

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/xWSlfOV.jpeg

get on my level

[hollow saddle]

only 100? I parse 1000

[coral ibex]

mog me daddy

[oak tangle]

I logged on week 1

[lethal arrow]

If we killed OAB yesterday I would've had a 100

[earnest remnant]

it would seem i skipped that one

[lethal arrow]

[haughty flicker]

[marble hemlock]

imagine having more than 1 boss kill this tier

[marble hemlock]

crinj

[sonic pagoda]

Gah dang hekili doing me right

[haughty flicker]

for some reason dausegne is literally the only lfr log i have from that tier

and idk why

[haughty flicker]

100 average ez

[ebon steppe]

Got that mythic thing in

[earnest remnant]

does this count instead sir?

[ebon steppe]

Wow damn

[haughty flicker]

sorry only lfr gaming here

[sonic pagoda]

idk i think hekili is cool

[lapis spindle]

Korean player

[ebon steppe]

Wow damn

Korean player

[wooden star]

I'm a 37 old washed looking to one button to 100s can't wait

[ebon steppe]

Idk man will korean players actually do lfr wcl scores farming？

[lethal arrow]

Liquids gunna lose world first to a raid of 1 button rotation helper abusers

[sonic pagoda]

Sam i here you brother

[ebon steppe]

If u guys didn't notice

[sonic pagoda]

The troll left XD

[ebon steppe]

he just got really silent

idk, since a while ago

[lethal arrow]

Wouldn't link logs

Real silent after being outed as a ret paladin player

[ebon steppe]

Idk why

God works in a mysterious way i suppose

[sonic pagoda]

It seems that people that 95th percentile heroic and do well in mythic do not care about 1 button rotation or hekili users hmm seems to be good for the game

[lapis spindle]

Oh, Asmongold made a video about it already

[lethal arrow]

Tbf I only care that they're not in my raid

[lapis spindle]

thought he quit

[sonic pagoda]

Idk about you guys I just want more people to play wow lol

[oak tangle]

the glory days

[sonic pagoda]

asmongold would use the 1 button helper though like what?

[normal mist]

Blizzard need to fix the game instead of creating 1button dps

[ebon steppe]

Wait, not god
Ret paladin actually

[sonic pagoda]

lfr gamer 07

[ebon steppe]

Cool

[earnest remnant]

this tier was the last time i cared about logs

multi spec freak

[lethal arrow]

Nice hekili bro

[oak tangle]

can you pelase link logs from some real content stealthi

[radiant raven]

I'm proud of my best log.

[lapis spindle]

The idea is okay, but I would have preferred some kind of a compendium with a basic rotation of my class as a new player or new to a class
Or some sort of a slider

[wooden star]

Those are kinda cracked though gj @earnest remnant

[ebon steppe]

Ur the champion my friend

[wooden star]

Credit where it's due

[sonic pagoda]

Floor pov is the best

[coral ibex]

what do you know about the abyssos tier of endwalker in ffxiv

[earnest remnant]

you can get my progress log on Rik from week 1 mythic

[radiant raven]

I got assassinated by a DH and then they killed the boss.

[oak tangle]

I SAID REAL you know LFR

[marble hemlock]

only relevant logs are healing logs as a DPS, dont @ me

[polar rampart]

i mean, this is also kind of a side effect of return of talent trees

[earnest remnant]

i dont do lfr MAN

[coral ibex]

leech enchants are meta for this right

vs avoidance

[ebon steppe]

I got lfr kezan on me rn bro

😭

[radiant raven]

My heal logs this season are so bad.

I gotta stand in more fire.

[marble hemlock]

ye

[earnest remnant]

Wrong its Boss dps

[haughty flicker]

[earnest remnant]

colour speed strats

the glory days

[lethal arrow]

Nice xiv helper bro

Or was it xivcombo

Idk

[radiant raven]

Damn, that's some big dam.

[haughty flicker]

xivcombo hype

[sonic pagoda]

some healing logs woot leech op

[oak tangle]

Jadefire Masters

[fallow canopy]

True and based ethical parsing

[runic hinge]

1:15 eranog is insane

[keen spruce]

So the one button convo is over

Can I go home now

[radiant raven]

Way better convo started though

Comedy logs (and cool logs)

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/the-green-mile-gif-17328904180409510666

[lapis spindle]

I always found FFXIV end tier raid to be harder than Mythic in wow perhaps because of the DBM stuff ?

[sonic pagoda]

Guys am i doing something wrong by using hekili to grasp a spec then utilizing cd trackers and optimizing my rotation????

[lapis spindle]

Also FFXIV players kinda hate addon users

[keen spruce]

I do calves then go home

[sonic pagoda]

or is it a game i pay for and ima play this shit how i want to lmao

[coral ibex]

idk it depends on how hard you depend on the dbm timer list

[keen spruce]

No split squats today

[ebon steppe]

Most Toxic community I've ever seen

[coral ibex]

if you never look at it (like me) you basically dont notice not having dbm or bw in ffxiv

[haughty flicker]

nah

[ebon steppe]

Well maybe not in ur english world

[haughty flicker]

its large so it has a lot of toxic people just like wow

but ive seen a lot more toxic places

ive played league

[coral ibex]

both games have equally toxic players

[oak tangle]

is there a way to see all logs you appear in, not just ones where you kill something?

[lapis spindle]

No but I know many players wants you not to use any addon to do raids. cacpot and stuff are really seen as bad

[ebon steppe]

In some region, things are a lot worse

[lapis spindle]

sometimes I even feel guilty using it

[haughty flicker]

there are people who take hard stance against addons in that game yeah

[earnest remnant]

NO, if you dont play the game the exact way i do, then you are just playing it wrong and deserve the ban hammer

[haughty flicker]

but most of the time its just dont ask dont tell

[coral ibex]

i mean it completely trivializes any content that it is updated for

that's why you feel guilty

[normal mist]

why do you keep trolling

[sonic pagoda]

Have mercy thor and his ban hammer lmao

[normal mist]

its cringy at this point

[coral ibex]

i think its fine for raids you already progged

[lapis spindle]

Wouldn't go as far but many wow WA does trivialize many many mechanics too

[coral ibex]

but if you use cactbot to prog you're robbing yourself of the whole ffxiv experience

[sonic pagoda]

What does cringy mean? ima look up the spelling and definition lmao

[haughty flicker]

i always avoided gameplay addons in ffxiv just because its nice to not need them

[lapis spindle]

probably. very different approach than wow

[haughty flicker]

i use the uh

wtf was it called

one that lets me actually double weave bc my ping is shit

not alexander, the ethical one

[coral ibex]

mechanic telegraphs are very clear in ffxiv, why would i want something that reads the network packets to tell me 5 seconds early what the mech is gonna do

[lapis spindle]

wow has become so much addon dependant than dbm should be embeddeed

[haughty flicker]

but thats because the game is built around you being able to double weave

[ebon steppe]

Real troll will be like this

[coral ibex]

noclippy

[lapis spindle]

In higher content there are no longer telegraphs, iirc you have to figure regarding the boss movement, and other stuff

[oak tangle]

ima be real with you, I got aotc without paying a single attention to my DBM addon

[ebon steppe]

add lust to rogue

[lapis spindle]

But I think raid callers are good for prog

[coral ibex]

no, just the ground based telegraphs are eliminated in savage and ultimate

[weary spear]

Bro give rogue anything

Lust combat rez or good raid buff

[coral ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU2JW8UhZKw

here's my pov of clearing the current final savage boss

[lapis spindle]

Not doing as much favour as in wow truly, because of the nature of mechanics probably

[ebon steppe]

“lust poison”

[coral ibex]

i use addons to change my ui

[oak tangle]

let us use kidney shot on boss for ^up damage

[lapis spindle]

there is the zoom hack

[ebon steppe]

Inject some wild shit in ur group mates

[sonic pagoda]

Just call it chemical reactions like phent and making methlol

[ebon steppe]

[lapis spindle]

I'm not a big fan of FFXIV mechanics, it's just weird, especially after being used to wow
It doesnt feel natural

The boss swings around but it doesn't matter because the damage is done, wow on the other hand, is more "real time"

[ebon steppe]

I dare you

[lapis spindle]

Turn baseed legacy system

[ebon steppe]

I double dare you

to say that in Japanese

[oak tangle]

omaewa mu

[ebon steppe]

[midnight mist]

low parses

i litteraly do 20x your dps rn

absolute noob

[ebon steppe]

Don't worry, Auto rotation will fix that

[subtle salmon]

rogue looking good S2?

[ebon steppe]

In raid, yes

[sonic pagoda]

Rogue is good yeah

[ebon steppe]

assa is absolutely dominating the last 3 bosses in this raid

[subtle salmon]

for mythic+ is gud?

im trying to decide warr or rogue

[ebon steppe]

Decent enough

[sonic pagoda]

ROgue is better than war

[ebon steppe]

Much better than dps warr

[subtle salmon]

i need to do multi-multilate?

sin is the spec to go?

[sonic pagoda]

legit just pick a spec and go

[sonic pagoda]

play what you enjoy

[ebon steppe]

Sin sub outlaw

[oak tangle]

To be honest if whispyr tells me to CT on single target, and one button helper doesn’t, ima go with one button helper

It’s a principle thing

[ebon steppe]

all good now

except killing spree

[subtle salmon]

sin ez to play?

[ebon steppe]

That's just cancer, if i may say so

[midnight mist]

you can say so

[runic hinge]

so

[ebon steppe]

[ebon steppe]

Well....

Roughly, yes and no

[sonic pagoda]

um i mean whats ez to you? tracking bleeds pooling energy? low actions per minute? Outlaw is way more actions per minute and more conditions with Roll the bones

[ebon steppe]

Its easy to get it going but hard to do min/max shit

[subtle salmon]

wow sin has low APM?

[ebon steppe]

Yeah

[subtle salmon]

sub?

[ebon steppe]

A little higher than sin

[sonic pagoda]

I can't speak for sub

[haughty flicker]

around the same, sub is faster during cds but slower outside

[subtle salmon]

oh ok

[ebon steppe]

Around the same yeah

[subtle salmon]

oh ok

[midnight mist]

90 !

wtf

nerf outlaw

its so high on that chart

[sonic pagoda]

Outlaw feels nice though outside of Killing spree. Assa feels good for chilling just a bunch of target swapping to apply bleeds its all just a preference really

[hidden bay]

wheres dh on that chart

[ebon steppe]

Blinded

[sonic pagoda]

They hunted opener before pull timer they are on the ground

[keen spruce]

I got stuck on the hack squat

And no one was around to save me

So I had to just sit there being squished until I could get another rep

[vale marten]

is any1 getting hit on rik while evasion is up?

[summer cave]

I did too

[vale marten]

the pilon dropping i mean

[summer cave]

Prob fixed?

[vale marten]

thats sucks

[proud pelican]

Yeah it was hotfixed

Can’t do it anymore gg

[indigo epoch]

Ne1 know what team casual addict is on for mdi?

[solar wyvern]

The only solution i see is for killing spree to have half its current cd, we must lower the apm

[midnight mist]

real !

[runic hinge]

[proud pelican]

Give killing spree a 200% dmg buff and make it last 400% longer

[quartz snow]

Hello everyone , back on game after 1 year, i wanna go back to assa again 🙂

I'm doing mainly M+ and i've seen the M+ build on wow head , but it's not running King's bane and seen a lot using it in top M+ ranking in Warcraft logs.

Which build should i use ?