#assassination

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grim jay
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Absolutely agree

hardy crypt
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if i have resilient 14s and reduce it to a 13, is the 13 resilient as well?

clever sparrow
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one question! do i need other gears for raiding?

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is the raid stat different?

coral ibex
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
fluid timber
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on bandit mythic, do i wanna get rupture on every add or just on boss and the add next to it ?

sudden brook
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just the one ur next to

fluid timber
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thanks šŸ™‚

quiet oriole
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With the bleed build in M+ does haste surpass mastery at some point?

spice spire
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No set point

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ABS

balmy condor
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Never

polar rampart
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haste just has more value than typical builds, nothing will ever surpass mastery

grand trail
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guys im comming here for help

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how do you play second KB and second DM on gallawix

warm vortex
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Dinar news

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Pog

maiden sierra
grand trail
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yeah many ppl play it diffrently

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some ppl send before and some after movment

maiden sierra
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depends on your group

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use head

royal lantern
quasi portal
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Has anyone actually been using the mega magnet and think its worth? sims higher than mythic seaforium for me but don't know if in actuality if it is more damage or not.

feral drift
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whats the best Embellishment for a crafted dagger?

royal lantern
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wowhead guide has all the information you need peepoguns

feral drift
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still trying to sort out my dps at a 666 ilvl not seeing the issues with my rotation still seems low

humble cradle
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What key lvl do you need for ā€œtitleā€ right now?

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If that’s the correct term

weary spear
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Try to time it so you get a death mark at beginning of boss fight and it comes back during execute imo

balmy condor
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So that’s like all 16’s and some 17’s

humble cradle
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Damn ok

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Ty

balmy condor
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By season end it’s probably all 18’s

feral drift
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i feel like my dps should be around 2.6mil on average or maybe im just wrong

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single target

balmy condor
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That would be unheard of

feral drift
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lol

balmy condor
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But I believe in you

feral drift
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ive seen a few rogues with thos numbers on a few boss fights

balmy condor
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Sure, it’s POSSIBLE

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But you have to high roll quite hard

clever sparrow
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HOW TO FIX THIS!

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Gally 668 assa

balmy condor
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And be juiced out of your mind

clever sparrow
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and im absolute sht

balmy condor
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Do more damage

clever sparrow
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HC btw

balmy condor
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wtf are your shivs

clever sparrow
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!shiv

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

clever sparrow
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PLS TELL ME THE PROBLEM!

neat smelt
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you re just randomly sending them

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you re also doing kingsbane into deathmark

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should be the other way around

ebon olive
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How do i get more Envenoms out ? I see i have 52 on Bandit compared to top log 84 and i have good gear i think

balmy condor
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All of these shivs

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Are completely fucked

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I think in the entire fight there’s maybe 2 that are correct

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You’re not lining any of them up with your cooldowns

normal mist
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just press envenom more

balmy condor
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They’re just getting sent randomly between cooldowns

clever sparrow
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i used KB + Death mark tho

balmy condor
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Yeah, in the wrong order

clever sparrow
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...

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fk

balmy condor
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But if you’re not pressing shiv

clever sparrow
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does the order matter

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..

balmy condor
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I mean deathmark is 16 seconds and kb is 14

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so kb into dm is a bit silly

clever sparrow
balmy condor
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Dm into shiv into kb

runic hinge
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dm shiv kb

balmy condor
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Like the guide says

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Main problem are the shivs though

clever sparrow
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and how to use them

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when i have no cd?

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throw them randomly?

balmy condor
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You don’t.

clever sparrow
balmy condor
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Yes, and then the second when the first finishes

clever sparrow
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i will try it now

balmy condor
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Gz in advance on doing 30% more damage during your cooldowns

clever sparrow
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i thought its about 5 6% 😭

balmy condor
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Have you read what shiv does

clever sparrow
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in the wrong order*

balmy condor
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No you’re not

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There is no shiv

clever sparrow
balmy condor
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Youre completely avoiding your CDs

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Idk how you managed it

clever sparrow
balmy condor
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But you’re shiv’ing between cooldowns

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And buffing absolutely nothing

quasi hill
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hey guys, quick sanity check, dslice sim says remove cyre circlet, can that be?

balmy condor
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Sure

clever sparrow
balmy condor
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But yeah it’s possible

clever sparrow
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like 1:10 sec away from cds

balmy condor
clever sparrow
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OH

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NO CD NO SHIV

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got it

balmy condor
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Shiv is your main cooldown

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You want to be pressing it with other cooldowns

clever sparrow
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something like this?

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KB (2 shiv) DM (2 shiv)

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it can be paired always since KB have 1 min

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OOOOO

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I GOT IT

balmy condor
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There’s a very small min-max where you can send a shiv outside of kingsbane but let’s not worry about that for now, you need to get the basics first

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But yes, 2 shivs for every kingsbane

clever sparrow
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i will start practicing it

humble verge
restive glade
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!fok

prisma monolithBOT
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Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

  • Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
    Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
  • Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
    Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
  • Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

ebon olive
normal mist
ebon olive
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No

balmy condor
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What does improving envenom casts mean

ebon olive
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Sometimes its only 4 even i think

normal mist
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4 is bad

balmy condor
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4 is very bad yeh

ebon olive
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I have only 54 on bandig compared to max logs i am missing like 30 casts

balmy condor
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Eye of kezan hurts the soul

humble verge
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under 5 youre not proccing your deathstalker

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basically

humble verge
runic hinge
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It’s good on like two fights where it has time to ramp

balmy condor
humble verge
restive glade
balmy condor
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Correct

humble verge
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just get heroic pace

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then tbh

ebon olive
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Yeah ok but even if i would change that to 5 cp or more every time it does not change my outcome of envenom cast in total ?

balmy condor
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Correct

balmy condor
hidden bay
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Just stack crit to generate additional combo points when critting with mutilate

runic hinge
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Just high roll and always crit with 20%

balmy condor
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100% crit you always land on 4

ebon olive
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i got 26% is that not enough :D?

balmy condor
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It’s a joke

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We don’t care about secondaries

ebon olive
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Ok then how TF do i get to 30 More envenoms in a Bossfight šŸ˜„ and dont tell me now just make the fight longer šŸ˜„

balmy condor
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Why do you need to get 30 more envenoms?

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You got 52 casts in 4:40

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Is that not enough

ebon olive
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Well i look at the dmg compared to a good log and they do so much more envenom dmg which i would say having 30 more cast is a part of it

coral ibex
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less generators

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just crit more

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just get more blindside procs

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idk

restive glade
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so you’re calc rate of envenoms for your run vs someone else’s but time isn’t same, I think you’re comparing pears to apples

balmy condor
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You’re not getting 30 more casts of envenom lmao

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You’re already above average

ebon olive
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hmm ok

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Then i am focusing on the wrong thing

balmy condor
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You’re legit on pace for like 56 envenoms for 5min

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Which is already very high

restive glade
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if u want a better comparison Holden

take slice of person ur comparing to, 2min and get rate

their rate at 2 vs yours, total is bad num to look at imo

ebon olive
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thanks

balmy condor
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I mean the total is fine as long as the total is a similar length

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But 80 envenoms in 4 minutes is just not possible lmao

spice spire
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Envenom every 3 globals

balmy condor
spice spire
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Mut mut envenom only

balmy condor
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Yeah with infinite energy

spice spire
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Our energy is flowing trust

balmy condor
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Surely yes

spice spire
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That’s insane work ngl

restive glade
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fellas I feel like I’m middle percentile monkey but bottom/high in meme is right thinking (I’m pretty sure). Something with swapping to ads and me holding cds just fucky in brain, y’all ever get over it outside of ā€œjust getting betterā€

balmy condor
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Just is what it is

restive glade
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like rik reverb mythic I have aneurism when I bust on pull then bomb ads spawn I have 5sec left mark - greed rat 5sec deathmark n wipe raid or swap bomb n lose dps šŸ˜”

can’t win

coral ibex
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hold cds until 16s on rik

balmy condor
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Not the rik barrels again

spice spire
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!richard

humble verge
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im fucked

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ive forgot meds today

spice spire
coral ibex
restive glade
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Sorry I didn’t know common barrel convo kinda new here

humble verge
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im cooked

spice spire
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All good king

balmy condor
spice spire
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Common enough to have a meme command

winged sun
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hi i had a random question about funnel dmg, was wondering if ambushing while darkest night is up just to have a really big envenom funneled into the mob will do anything?

balmy condor
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Zeross what

humble verge
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ignore barrels

humble verge
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damage boss

winged sun
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while darkest night is up you can ambush and mark the mob

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for singular focus

balmy condor
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Okay

winged sun
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like it still is gonna make it take singular focus dmg right Zerossthinking

balmy condor
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Sure I guess

spice spire
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But where does darkest night come into play here. You just apply three marks with that

balmy condor
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He wants to do the s1 vanish

humble verge
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im still sitting on this question, but what the fuck are we using vanish for now since we dont have MA

spice spire
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Oh it’s already up you vanish and then

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Oh

humble verge
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in raid

spice spire
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Brother

balmy condor
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And get +1 envenom

spice spire
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Sure

balmy condor
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For purely the singular focus

winged sun
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well idk like from the amount of priory's i did i find that i do so much more funnel if i have low uptime on darkest night

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and doing that might make that window much shorter

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while striking a strong envenom too

humble verge
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ye

balmy condor
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You don’t vanish

humble verge
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i guess what i could do is use vanish to get mark on goons

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if i get jailed

balmy condor
humble verge
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since i feel i get jail every other wipe

balmy condor
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You can’t consume a mark charge while dn is up, so it doesn’t really shorten any window

winged sun
balmy condor
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You just have the mark up for those 2 extra seconds lmao

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+1 envenom

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For a 2 min cd

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Sounds kinda cooked

winged sun
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yea true

balmy condor
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Like with your not stealth build or whatever you can do it cause what else are you vanishing

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But it’s not going to matter for shit

winged sun
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yeah, i guess the best time to vanish envenom darkest night is when you need to refresh ruptures

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envenom into fok and rupture spreads

balmy condor
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Ye

winged sun
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ty ty Zerossthinking

royal lantern
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first raid cancle of the tier

clever sparrow
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i hate my self for not doing it sooner

balmy condor
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Yeah stacking your cooldowns

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Is a good thing NODDERS

restive glade
clever sparrow
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i just decided to shiv during cooldown

red schooner
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If you pair that + shiv + darkest night for a giga envenom

clever sparrow
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and not using it as a generator

red schooner
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Its a dps increase instead of saving 2 shivs for your kingsbane

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It doesn't always line up

restive glade
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yea that’s what I figured u were talking about just double checking

balmy condor
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He just wasn’t casting shivs during kingsbane

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At all

red schooner
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Oh. Yeah, no, don't do that. Stack your cooldowns.

balmy condor
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Don’t confuse him now with min max dry shivs

restive glade
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my wa doesn’t show lingering šŸ˜” but shows kb NEW RECORD 😼

balmy condor
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Based

red schooner
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I wasn't paying attention to chat okay

restive glade
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dial in goat

clever sparrow
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šŸ˜„

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one question

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should i save CD for a mechanic?

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or no just throw them

humble verge
clever sparrow
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for example vexie should i always throw cds?

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or some times hold for the damage buff phase

humble verge
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hold for logs

red schooner
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Vexie I normally just hold, though thankfully it normally lines up fairly well

humble verge
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but also, i would still hold for 2nd ramp on mythic

red schooner
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At least on mythic. CD on pull, damage amp comes like 1 minute 50 seconds in cos we're slack as fuck on oils

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And then off we go

clever sparrow
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14 😭

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still a improve

red schooner
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Gotta start from somewhere!

clever sparrow
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i want my FDK back 😦

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press breath and pump dmg

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for a good log 😦

charred summit
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Hi there people just hopping you're good

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ā¤ļø

chrome mirage
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What is the raidbots default weapon buff, stones or oil?

balmy condor
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Stones

humble verge
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@balmy condor did you try d4 rogue yet

balmy condor
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I don’t write for rogue

humble verge
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might wanna try out the game, since its trial now apparently

bronze pike
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whipsyr your here

humble verge
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oh

bronze pike
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so imma ask again

humble verge
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wait you write guides for d4 too?

balmy condor
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I do

humble verge
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cool

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what class

balmy condor
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Barb

bronze pike
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now that the 1 button rotation helper is out, whats the average parse should i expect to do when using it?

humble verge
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thats my goat

balmy condor
humble verge
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wtf does the spiritborn do tho

balmy condor
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Everything

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They jump around like insane freaks

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It’s d3 monk but on steroids

humble verge
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average dh gameplay

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oh

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i feel dh d3 is giga jumpy tho

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esp 1 of the builds

balmy condor
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Yeah it’s like a mix between the two

humble verge
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pogga

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hmmm 48 bucks for the bundle

tall atlas
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a nice thing happened today

runic hinge
clever sparrow
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šŸ˜„

coral ibex
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its rank 34

humble verge
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was about to say

balmy condor
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Yeh

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Rank 34 not parse 34

brave stump
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Yellow name

tall atlas
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whis can you say the fancy thing about upgrading a shoulderslot vs a trinket

dreamy tree
tall atlas
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not mega mega but its an optimisation

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here too you did it

dreamy tree
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oh okay got it so just refresh them b4 a kb window?

restive glade
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there’s a talent that increases dmg on rupture/garrote target

short sequoia
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is there any prekey stuff that sin does?

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!prekey

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guess not haha coming from outlaw where you always had some prekey fuckery

runic hinge
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No just make sure your poisons are on

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šŸ™‚

coral ibex
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yea i made a wa that has MAKE SURE YOU'RE IN M+ TALENTS DUMMY bouncing in huge text in the middle of my screen

short sequoia
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i have a weakaura for poison reminders and it's easy to tell if i'm in raid or m+ talents based on number of poisons haha

runic hinge
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You’re on top of it then

polar rampart
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we have M+ options tho

coral ibex
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you always run deadly + atrophic, raid just adds amplifying + crippling with DTB

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opening your poison menu will make this obvious

short sequoia
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yea that's what I've been doing

west smelt
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!mistakes

balmy condor
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me too man... me too....

visual hemlock
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can someone link macro to not spam click tea with shiv, please?

balmy condor
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

visual hemlock
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thank you

west smelt
coral ibex
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so do you think the one macro a day guy is gonna go out of business with the rotation assistant?

humble verge
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people use macros?

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me when i dont use macros

humble verge
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keeps the devs at bay

quasi ingot
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garage door opener rotation

novel swallow
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whats the best way to sim for m+? dungeon slice? is it different depending on talents?

balmy condor
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dungeonslice

proud pelican
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Should we all use the rotation assistant?

balmy condor
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and take a 20% gcd increase?

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no lmao

proud pelican
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Ya

balmy condor
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easiest way to nerf yourself like 10-20% though

proud pelican
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What if you had to pick between using the rotation assistant or not kissing your homies?

balmy condor
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I'd rather die than not kiss the homies

polar rampart
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bro gotta kiss da homies

earnest remnant
polar rampart
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homies over hos

earnest remnant
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them just 1 button away outside

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cuz you are at like 40apm anyway

balmy condor
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sure I guess

indigo sphinx
keen radish
proud pelican
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Wait imagine how much more we could kiss with only having to push one button

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Sounds insanely op imo

clever sparrow
dapper cradle
clever sparrow
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when do i need to use shiv on aoe fights?

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(hybrid build for example)

balmy condor
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in raids? same logic

clever sparrow
balmy condor
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hybrid in m+? same logic

clever sparrow
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what about bleed then?

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we dont have KB

balmy condor
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bleed you shiv to buff your bleeds after you apply CT

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and you still double shiv deathmarks

spice spire
clever sparrow
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got it

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wait should i use KB even on aoe fights??

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fk

indigo sphinx
stuck knoll
clever sparrow
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ive never used that cause i never found a worthy target

balmy condor
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using your cooldowns is good yes

spice spire
keen radish
keen radish
spice spire
keen radish
clever sparrow
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what are you talking about

indigo sphinx
clever sparrow
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Step dad!

keen radish
stuck knoll
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!mute @keen radish okay we don't need to hear the rest

clever sparrow
dapper cradle
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oh shit holy

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bro got gulaged for horny posting too hard

spice spire
stuck knoll
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He's in discord with me

clever sparrow
spice spire
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I’m gonna need some sauce here

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I see

stuck knoll
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saying what he's going to type

clever sparrow
spice spire
indigo sphinx
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He has problems

spice spire
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Who doesn’t tho

indigo sphinx
lucid silo
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can you make an APL for the one button rotation please whisp

indigo sphinx
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In heat

spice spire
balmy condor
lucid silo
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does it include the .2

spice spire
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Based on what

lucid silo
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i want to know how bad i could play

balmy condor
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idk probably could overwrite it I assume

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or just add a 0.2 to every line

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hmmmmmm

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okay hold on

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I have an idea

rotund oak
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wait ronkles broke his elbow?hope u get better man @stuck knoll

earnest remnant
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he broke his back

indigo sphinx
stuck knoll
lucid silo
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we need to know the science of the floor for dps. if you dps lower than the 1 button sim we put you in a cannon and shoot you to a different video game

indigo sphinx
rotund oak
spice spire
rotund oak
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cant change my mind

humble verge
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jesus

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half the d4 download is for high textures

indigo sphinx
indigo sphinx
lucid silo
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whats a ronk and how do i experience them

indigo sphinx
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Stop spreading lies

viscid spear
indigo sphinx
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He's all shadowy yk

spice spire
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Ik he’s close to British (derogatory) but the only propaganda that Ronkles should be having is a propa Ganda at these nuts

spice spire
viscid spear
spice spire
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Dog

stuck knoll
viscid spear
indigo sphinx
spice spire
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To the primordial American land

keen radish
low thicket
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You guys ready for blueberry t2?

humble verge
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what

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looks ok tho

vital haven
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@stuck knoll wasnt your pfp a cool dog with glasses?

stuck knoll
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Ye

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Quake gave me this assassination one

vital haven
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cats are cool too

spice spire
stuck knoll
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although i'm not playing my rogue anymore so maybe I go back

humble verge
indigo sphinx
balmy condor
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it seems I have made an error

stuck knoll
rotund oak
humble verge
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sorry that was rude of me

stuck knoll
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I assure you he is not

keen radish
humble verge
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he says yes

stuck knoll
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Nah that boy is gay as fuck

spice spire
humble verge
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when is he sending cock pic

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like david did

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ok maybe too far

balmy condor
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okay well

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I'm only ever getting NAN

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so

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I guess this will have to be done a different way

humble verge
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is what you meant

balmy condor
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I have more ideas

coral ibex
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i was quoting star wars

indigo sphinx
keen radish
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????

coral ibex
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badly, granted

humble verge
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i love having 500 up, 500 down

coral ibex
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yea well i got fiiiiiiiiiiiiive on it

rotund oak
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btw dont be afraid for textures and sht

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game runs smooth

sinful fern
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Is the 2nd most recent pin a reflection of the tiny toxic blade in that it may sim 1-2 dps more but in reality no one uses it and its shit?

balmy condor
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okay ts pmo fr

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šŸ„€

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can I just sim things 20% slower why is it always NAN

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fucking bullshit

indigo sphinx
balmy condor
sinful fern
#

and killing bosses

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at pivotal moments

rotund oak
#

relative^^

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but ye

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execute dmg

balmy condor
#

ok

sinful fern
#

well go play it then, i see like 1% worth of logs for it

indigo sphinx
dawn heath
# balmy condor

kinda funny i was thinking about this the GCD penalty barely matters on assa OMEGAKEKW

#

except for your opener

outer plinth
#

guys when you run your sin sims what build do you use? i ran 3 different droptimizer sims, first one with full st raid build, 2nd one with m+ build (bleed) and the 3rd one m+ build ( but not bleed). all 3 of them showed me different results. i know that bleed build wants more haste than the other 2 but why do the other 2 show different items and not similar/exact? did i do something wrong?

humble verge
balmy condor
#

well what are you simming for

sinful fern
#

this new patch will come with a change to rogues GCD system fyi

outer plinth
#

all sims are for 1 target, 5min

balmy condor
#

obviously if you're simming single target and m+ you're gonna get different results

#

well yeah

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that makes sense then

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you're simming 3 completely different builds

outer plinth
#

ok but what should i be doing? like should have 2 different sets of gear for raid and m+? (ofc its only for min maxing but just curious )

balmy condor
#

yeh I mean if you super duper care about that 0.2% dps

outer plinth
#

would it be bad to lets say play with my "raid" gear in keys

balmy condor
#

then you would have multiple gear sets

#

but for the most part you don't need to swap

#

secondaries don't matter for shit

#

you can just play sub gear on assa for example and it's totally fine

sinful fern
#

i like to sprinkle a little haste onto my raid gear

outer plinth
#

he has crit vers crafted neck with crit vers gems

balmy condor
#

yeah

humble verge
#

forever

#

do you sim worse with VV?

balmy condor
#

typically everyone does

humble verge
#

hmmm

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im pretty sure i simmed better

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but its been a long time since i did

#

so i relogged to resim just now

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hmmm

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top vv bot MA

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tho i run VV with AP

sinful fern
#

maybe ma was better this whole time and no one botherted to sim

#

it was just a halucination from the wowhead rogue dev

humble verge
#

nah, they are both up there

balmy condor
humble verge
#

VV works

balmy condor
#

VV does more aoe, does more execute

quasi ingot
#

Uber can i get a rabbit gif plz

balmy condor
#

what do you want from me

humble verge
quasi ingot
#

go get that Berserk gear bb gurl!

dry copper
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
loud hawk
#

guys i am getting one shot in M+ should i put more versa ?

lean plover
#

fress feint

#

stonks

loud hawk
#

bro i spam

dry copper
#

Maybe you are spamming it in wrong time

weary spear
#

What key level

loud hawk
#

13

lean plover
#

Then you are eating a lot of avoidsble damage

swift bluff
#

1 shot from what kind damage?! That’s wild

lean plover
#

for you to get 1shot with feint

loud hawk
#

i mean not one shot one shot but like dropping down on 2 secs

#

could be a healer thing ?

swift bluff
#

I mean as long as you’re using feint on management abilities, unavoidable damage, prior to being hit, you should live.

#

If healer is behind, that definitely contributes

lean plover
#

Healer cant do anything if you eat a frontal

swift bluff
#

This scenario is tough to judge though. Like what abilities, when, etc

loud hawk
#

not frontal bro xd

weary spear
#

Play elusiveness instead of cheat death, press feint for damage events, don’t get double casted on. That’s it

balmy condor
loud hawk
#

Elusiveness i play

#

i remember dying from Swampface Aoe

swift bluff
#

Feint before it starts, use a crimson vial with

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Or a second or two into it

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So it’s up for most of the duration

#

You really have to be self sufficient during heavy damage events for whole group. Good timing of Crimson Vial and Feitn to help healer out.

lucid silo
swift bluff
#

But to circle back to original question, just plunging versatility isn’t like the answer

#

You’ll obv get to a point where versa starts to sim into the picture

loud hawk
#

ok

weary spear
#

For swampface AOE you should have feint for every one and then you also have evasion, cloak, health pot, at least one group defensive go out, then cloak or evasion should be back

loud hawk
#

2% i have

#

dmg reduction

balmy condor
#

it's not that smart

humble verge
#

i think im gonna try MA for next raid and see if its any better

#

since its just mugzee we're on

balmy condor
#

like the sim is PURELY "what if the gcd was 1.2 instead of 1"

humble verge
#

no "real" aoe

balmy condor
#

with no tool limitations

balmy condor
lucid silo
swift bluff
# loud hawk 2% i have

Sorry at whispyr for crossing convos…

Yea Sek, just make sure that you’re mentally prepared ahead of the run for crucial Cloak events. Cuz using Cloak to cheese mechanics is nice but using it to LIVE during a high damage event is just as important. And Evasion too since you’re using Elusivness will be a 2nd feint

balmy condor
#

closer to a cast sequence

#

it's basically smart enough to understand very basic resource/timers and not much else

lucid silo
#

i assume since they're adding their own hekili it will follow that logic

balmy condor
#

I'm not entirely sure it knows to finish on 7 for darkest night instead of 5 normally for example

loud hawk
#

ty

balmy condor
#

like you tell it the priority you want and it just goes

#

like you say "maintain rupture" and it goes okay when there's no rupture I will rupture

lucid silo
#

seems wonky

lean plover
#

Wonder if they will make it work only with 1 build

balmy condor
#

but if it's automatically set up

#

with no customizations

#

then it'll probably just be fully cooked

clever sparrow
#

dude

#

priory

#

is sooo hard 😦

#

i feel bad

balmy condor
#

like I don't see a world where this rotation tool knows to hold shivs for example

clever sparrow
#

i dont even know its my bad or not

balmy condor
#

it's 100% just going to slam them on cd

normal mist
#

Kingsbane --> throw knife --> apply poisons

balmy condor
#

which is fine for the target audience tbh

#

like you gotta remember that this thing is built for the 55 year old dads coming home from the coal mines to complete their timewalking dungeon weekly quest

clever sparrow
#

its way better than that

balmy condor
#

GSE KEKL

dusky cobalt
clever sparrow
balmy condor
#

like if you're just on an alt and don't care to learn it or just want to vibe and do your LFR

humble verge
#

how it is

clever sparrow
#

i dont even know why everyone mad with one button assistant thing

balmy condor
#

tool is great

prisma monolithBOT
#

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

west smelt
#

Oops I thought that would open a thread

balmy condor
balmy condor
balmy condor
clever sparrow
#

they just get mad?

hollow river
swift bluff
#

Scared of change probably

clever sparrow
#

i've never knew that ppl were mad about these

#

lol

balmy condor
hollow river
#

That’s hot

balmy condor
#

if you look hard enough people still bitch about it on forums and stuff

clever sparrow
lean plover
#

people will bitch about anything i in the internet

haughty flicker
#

there are definitely people that still bitch about lfr to this day

balmy condor
#

BACK IN MY DAY YOU HAD TO FIND REAL GAMERS TO DO DUNGEONS WITH BUT NOW I CANT GET INVITED TO MY +9 PRIORY CAUSE THESE FUCKING SHITHEADS JUST IO CHECK AND WONT TAKE A REAL GAMER LIKE ME THIS GAME FUCKING SUCKS

#

REEEEEEEEEE

clever sparrow
#

wait why it cast deadly poison mid rotation?

#

lool

#

šŸ˜‚

lean plover
#

if blizzard gave everyone that is currently subbed the next expansion for free, a lot of people currently subbed will cry on wowhead/reddit/forums

balmy condor
clever sparrow
old thistle
#

People cry for the sake of it

lean plover
#

clearly turbo optimization for kb

#

Whispyr didnt include that in the guide so he could parse better

balmy condor
#

there's also a massive disconnect a lot of the time from reddit warriors bitching about some change to mythic or resilient keys or whatever, not realizing that just getting to +12's or killing mythic vexie puts you at the top like 1.5% of the playerbase lmao

old thistle
#

Exactly

balmy condor
#

OH MY GOD THEY NERFED MYTHIC MUGZEE WHAT IS THIS HAND ME OUT NOW THE FIGHT IS JUST FREEEEEEEEEEEE

#

and then it's like

#

barely 0.2% kill it

normal mist
old thistle
#

I remember the day the lgf tool came

clever sparrow
#

the way asmongold reacts to it

#

makes me laugh

#

i love asmon

old thistle
#

I was there 3000 tears ago

clever sparrow
#

but its overreacting

normal mist
#

30 extra gilded to upgrade the crafted items to the new max ilvl

old thistle
#

Asmon is clickbaity

red schooner
balmy condor
#

asmon is a shithead

clever sparrow
clever sparrow
red schooner
#

To be sent into bigger crests

old thistle
#

Why do people watch that guy anymore

normal mist
#

I used to watch his videos a lot, especially gaming ones

#

then he turned into politics

#

._.

balmy condor
#

he was semi-okay and then he went down an alt-right rabbit hole and just dogwhistled

clever sparrow
#

but with one button thing

#

they will kill outlaw

red schooner
#

Got like 1100 carved as well, gonna spend like half a fucking hour transferring crests

balmy condor
#

and I was like okay gramps back to the retirement home

clever sparrow
#

imagine playing highest APM spec

normal mist
#

they wont kill anything

clever sparrow
#

with 1 button + 0.2sec more GCD

#

šŸ˜„

balmy condor
#

I mean what is it killing though

red schooner
normal mist
#

a normal player won't use it

clever sparrow
normal mist
#

i dont even know what GSE is

balmy condor
normal mist
#

wait, we're the exceptions?!

balmy condor
#

a normal player is the guy doing his transmog runs in LFR on a tuesday night cause he's not raiding heroic

red schooner
#

I mean it might help my guilds drunk Friday social raid prog gally HC

rain coral
#

hey, someone has maybe a cool makro for rupture and garrot mouseover, which when no mouse over, than takes my target

red schooner
#

They're normally too drunk to play by the time we hit gally

balmy condor
#

like if you're in this discord, you're not going to be using it

clever sparrow
#

if i do some trash content

#

its fun

lean plover
#

Cant watch a guy with croackroaches crawling up his leg sorry

clever sparrow
#

you can back sit

balmy condor
#

you're above the level of gamer it's designed for

clever sparrow
#

and press 1

#

on old raids

#

enjoy your life

fervent crest
#

I'll use the button for those times I want to play on steam deck and cba to setup the complex gamepad bindings. One button and we go!

red schooner
#

Yeah I think it's easy to forget we're in a bubble

clever sparrow
#

you can farm the RDF too

normal mist
#

true

clever sparrow
#

easy gold

#

šŸ˜„

red schooner
#

Cos our circles don't really intersect with a lot of the player base

balmy condor
normal mist
#

i have 400 io

#

did 2 dungeons

red schooner
balmy condor
#

you have 400 io and green name? unreal

#

who let this guy in

red schooner
#

TBF I never push keys

normal mist
#

i also got curve the same day i raided this tier for the first time

clever sparrow
#

imagine everyone cries about (WOW IS SO HARD FOR NEW PLAYERS 😭) they solved the problem (THEY ARE KILLING THE GAME 😭 )

rain coral
#

guys anyone has a cool mouse over makro for rupture and garrot, that works on targets when no mouse over

clever sparrow
#

WTF

red schooner
#

I do my 8 10s, I then never touch m+

#

As god intended

humble verge
#

WHY THE FUCK

humble verge
#

IS THERE A NARRATOR

#

FOR DIABLO 4

#

WHAT THE FUCK

normal mist
#

My gf started playing d4 yesterday, she's having a blast

rain coral
#

šŸ˜„

humble verge
#

holy shit, im not listening to windows ms robot voice

rain coral
#

whisper i tried bro, but no luck

balmy condor
#

really now?

#

I'm gonna click

clever sparrow
balmy condor
#

on the first link

clever sparrow
#

pepole not inviting me

balmy condor
#

and if it answers the question

clever sparrow
#

cause i dont have BL

#

😦

balmy condor
#

I'm gonna slap you

humble verge
balmy condor
west smelt
balmy condor
#

that's crazy

#

you tried and couldn't get past the first search result

#

šŸ„€

#

even better though, you don't even need google

#

watch this

rain coral
#

nah i got that one

balmy condor
rain coral
#

but i am looking for some macro which when no mouse over goes to target

balmy condor
#

dude

#

you cannot be real

#

it's even bolded

clever sparrow
#

so i tab target

balmy condor
#

that's fine

clever sparrow
#

its harder but easier

rain coral
#

hehehe

red schooner
#

Ever

rain coral
#

btw. bleed build is one fire

runic hinge
#

Someone mouse over garrote me irl

clever sparrow
#

by spamming tab

#

šŸ˜„

balmy condor
#

forget googling a macro or a guide, bro can't even read the other half of his own conversation

#

unreal

clever sparrow
red schooner
#

Disgusting

normal mist
rain coral
#

nah its perfect

hidden bay
#

Last 30 minutes in this channel HOLY

balmy condor
#

gonna mix rat poison with 151 and laundry detergent

#

send me to god please

lavish portal
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
quasi ingot
#

make sure its lavender scented detergent. makes the corpse smell better

hidden bay
lean plover
balmy condor
#

I just wasted like 5 minutes of my life pointing at a google search result with huge red arrows and then having to repeat myself when I screenshotted the exact answer

#

I'm already at rock bottom man, there's nothing I won't do

humble verge
#

ok

hidden bay
#

Nothing you won’t do, hm? HmmGiggle

humble verge
#

opening cinematic was goated

balmy condor
lean plover
#

At least it wasnt a question about how much haste to not get starved on st

hidden bay
#

whispyr the last 30 minutes

clever sparrow
#

how much haste to not get starved on st?

lean plover
#

!haste

clever sparrow
#

is 11% enough?

lean plover
#

!design

prisma monolithBOT
#

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

clever sparrow
balmy condor
runic hinge
#

You need like

#

300% haste

#

Probably

balmy condor
#

it's 80% without VV and 89% with

coral ibex
#

there is no level of haste that you can achieve that will change the fundamental design of the spec

balmy condor
#

don't ask

#

can't believe blizzard would add an 80% haste tax to the spec when outlaw only has a 20% tax šŸ„€

lean plover
#

So if i had 80% haste i could delete bosses on dungeons? got it

#

message received

runic hinge
lean plover
#

dont tell zeross he might cook some haste stuff

clever sparrow
#

i just switched cause my fingers couldnt press buttons on 0.8s

balmy condor
#

pmo fr

runic hinge
#

Hmm

#

I might be too boomer for that

balmy condor
#

ask stuart

#

he'll understand

scarlet sequoia
#

rly

#

u think he will?

balmy condor
#

birds are highly intelligent

#

I have faith

scarlet sequoia
#

u calling girls intelligent?

balmy condor
#

what

runic hinge
#

He’s also 19 so he’s pretty much peak zoomer

balmy condor
#

stuart is a bird

dapper halo
#

time to take a wow pause until new raid comes out

spice spire
viscid spear
balmy condor
spice spire
#

Can’t believe you hit babs with it. If only he’d cooperate šŸ„€

viscid spear
balmy condor
spice spire
#

Is that bars?

viscid spear
balmy condor
viscid spear
#

That's weird, it was on when I logged off last night

spice spire
#

Wish you did stutter ngl

balmy condor
#

hnnnghngnn.....

midnight mist
#

@balmy condor

#

did you help blizzard make the auto play button thing for assa

#

the rotation is surprisingly good

balmy condor
#

why would you think I did

#

I didn't obviously

#

I'm not a blizzard dev KEKL

#

it's not my fault this spec is piss easy

midnight mist
#

ah i tought you gave them the apl or smth idk

balmy condor
#

yeah the apl of "maintain rupture, otherwise envenom"

spice spire
#

Wait

spice spire
#

What if they dumbed it down to help with rotation

#

Dog

midnight mist
balmy condor
#

huge

coral ibex
#

ebic

midnight mist
#

they didnt even try bro

spice spire
#

I refuse to believe that’s real

dapper halo
#

plz make it onebutton ;3

midnight mist
#

it just spams the dagger thing

coral ibex
#

that has to be customized

midnight mist
#

im in melee btw

coral ibex
#

already

viscid spear
#

I'm trying

#

Half the time I apply to a FLoodgate I get a whisper "you gunning for Pace?"

#

declined

visual jolt
#

I got a myth pacemaker second week šŸ«¦šŸ˜‚

runic hinge
#

Say no and then take it and leave

steel sable
#

!plater

prisma monolithBOT
coral ibex
#

oh it actually does do exactly what it showed in the youtube video

runic hinge
#

Why does it love poison knife?

viscid spear
runic hinge
#

I wonder if it’s cause it’s guaranteed applications

vast shuttle
#

what is good dps in single target raid? with full bis?

coral ibex
#

well look up what a 50% parse is

#

above that is above average

vast shuttle
halcyon grail
#

Warcraft logs.

coral ibex
#

also you dont have full bis and its unlikely you ever will

#

so its not really a meaningful question to answer

vast shuttle
#

how can i get my single target to increase mine is bad only 1.7m dps

viscid spear
#

Raid or dungeon?

vast shuttle
#

raid

#

also do u use instant poison in raid?

runic hinge
#

No

#

!poisons

vast shuttle
#

!poisons

runic hinge
#

!poison

prisma monolithBOT
#

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

  • Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
    Non-Lethals:
  • Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

coral ibex
#

how much do you sim in single target

#

if you sim around 1.7m then you just need more ilvl

onyx gyro
#

I’m little confused with aoe/cleave on mythic stix. Should I be fok 5 plus and how many targets should I rupture/garrote? I will be using recommended build from wowhead

coral ibex
#

what is cleave add