assassination

[spice surge]

Get whatevers the highest ilvl

[distant heart]

same ilvl im M+ player

[near lark]

probablky signet peacemaker but like kinda no wrong answer

[royal lantern]

there are not really any "set rules" and more like, helpfull tips you can give

like, you want ofc frequent used stuff always easy avaible, like your generic rotational abilitys on 1-5, having interupts/aoe cc/deffensive abilitys also easy reachable from your standart WASD hand etc....

1 big thing that helps is making a "this keybind is for X thing on everything i play" rule for yourself

like, i always put interupts on all classes and specs on F, my aoe filler ability is always R, my mobility skills are always on my mouse buttons (only a mouse with 3 buttons), stff like that

[golden loom]

Can also take stuff inspiration from other games you play, like personally I was a league player before I started wow so I just went with main builders on Q/E -> spender on R, defensives or mobility on F/G and then cds on 123

[strange tundra]

@near lark 50 minutes looking for a +14 PSF

[golden loom]

(my cds are on shift 1/2/3 but still )

[strange tundra]

anything that isnt F1 through F12 is a good keybind

actaully i only use F1 for mount

nvm

[strange tundra]

other than tricks seems fine

[golden loom]

tricks is useless

[strange tundra]

i use it on M+ to pull faster than tank if i feel like we need it

[golden loom]

I just press it before pull in raid and then never during combat anyways

[strange tundra]

i dont play raids

[golden loom]

well I play blackjack in M+

[strange tundra]

what do u mean

[golden loom]

?

[strange tundra]

oh the talent i though t it was some meme sentence

seems like i dont play M+ at all

i started lkooking for PSF at 3:47 and its 4:32 rn

[near lark]

I'm free, please don't derag me back ion

[sudden brook]

What

U play blackjack..? Over tricks?

[cunning needle]

aint no way you're hating on my f3 for rupture bind

and f4 for healthstone and f5 for healthpot

[strange tundra]

😭

why

[cunning needle]

free realestate

[strange tundra]

u need to be locked up

[cunning needle]

i used to have f2 for eviscerate

(it's now 2)

[strange tundra]

progress!

[cunning needle]

since shiv used to be 2 for some reason

[strange tundra]

my shiv is 5

[cunning needle]

i dunno though f1-5 are kinda easy to hit

okay maybe not f5

[strange tundra]

u see those pro pvp players

with like f1 to f12

and shift f1 to f12

alt f1 to f12

😭

[cunning needle]

yeah thats too cooked for me

acutally i really struggle with ctrl binds

[strange tundra]

shift + middle click + f12

[cunning needle]

probably weak pinky or something

[strange tundra]

i only have 2 ctrl keybinds, ctrl+R and ctrl+g

[cunning needle]

bro i had someone who had alt+p bound to barkskin for some crazy reason

they were acutally cooked

[strange tundra]

lol

how tf thjey press that

in high pressure moments

robots

[cunning needle]

nfi

it was back in wrath though

so high pressure moments probably didnt exist

[cunning needle]

i have c and y bound off screen

my flag is shift V as well

fuck my binds are so cursed

[strange tundra]

u bound S for no backpeddal?

[cunning needle]

nah gotta backpeddle in arena

[strange tundra]

i only use backpeddal in last boss workshop 1st phase

when he chases u

ur keybinds look normal except the rupture shiv 😭

how tf u multi dot with f3

[cunning needle]

f2 and f3 arent that much further away

than 2 and 3

[strange tundra]

i have long fingers and i cant press that with comfort

[cunning needle]

f5 is a struggle sometimes

probably why i forget about lock rocks so much

[strange tundra]

i just put the healthstone on shift+middleclick

took me a bit to get used to it

i kept forgeting of that bind

[cunning needle]

mhmm thats a good free bind i should use

[scarlet orbit]

had a feral in my old guild wo used alt + f3 for his bite finisher however thats called again

[cunning needle]

lmao

thats kinda cursed

[strange tundra]

ferociosu bite?

[cunning needle]

alt binds are wack

how do you press alt

thumb or pinky

[strange tundra]

why is it druids that have the fucked binds

[cunning needle]

dunno

druids are just fucked in general

@shrewd night

[strange tundra]

[cunning needle]

[scarlet orbit]

yes that one

and sometimes he fat fingered alt f4 was a good time

[cunning needle]

[strange tundra]

i think the only time i had problem with binds was when i was playing fwarr in wotlk

and u had to switch between all 3 stances

and have shit ton of macros

[scarlet orbit]

i play with alt and i press it like i press controll with the palm of my hand just dont ask...

[strange tundra]

is your alt huge or what

[cunning needle]

see ctrl is just a cursed keybind

wait

alt

okay

yeah

thats fucked

[strange tundra]

im trying to picture that

[cunning needle]

what if you hit your windows key

[strange tundra]

he can disable it but still

[scarlet orbit]

its like i shift my hand to the left to press controll and to the right to press alt

[strange tundra]

when u shift ur hand to the right u just move all fingers away from WASD or just twist it/ lol

[scarlet orbit]

twist

[strange tundra]

[scarlet orbit]

Also the reason i need to carry my keybord everywere i go because im not able to play with a keyboard which has not high keys dont know how to say that

[strange tundra]

i think i know what u mean

why is the most used neck in m+ a vers mastery crafted one

[cunning needle]

because of all the sub players using it

and not having another neck

[strange tundra]

the can just recraft it?

to crit mast or haste mast

[cunning needle]

but then they cant play sub in raid

[strange tundra]

oh u are right

[cunning needle]

also archon says crit/mast

[strange tundra]

i checked murlok didnt check archon yet

[cunning needle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shrewd night]

Real

[cunning needle]

[viral linden]

Us nasty sub raiders switching over to assa for keys 😘

[jaunty salmon]

hey guys, i think i dont understand english correctly, what is " Rupture spinnig "?

[dawn seal]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[sour void]

Sniping?

[red schooner]

Putting a rupture on adds just before they die for the energy regen

[viscid spear]

Sniping spinning sipping

[sour void]

Singing

[jaunty salmon]

oh sniiiiping ! fckn hell, thanks 😂

[sour void]

What discomb said above

You said low cp raptures on very low health mobs

For that energ

[dawn seal]

is anyone good with wclogs

out of how many people I am 530 how can I check this info

[vale marten]

guess in statistics you can check how many assa rogues there are

[hidden bay]

Rank 530 out of all assa rogues

[strange tundra]

i just check in rio

[limber lion]

There isn't really a thing in WCL that shows you that

Because it's not really relevant information

The purple color refers to the top 25%

So you can safely at least assume you're in the top 25%, so 530 out of 2k+ at least.

[limber lion]

Statistics shows you how many parses there are, not how many assa rogues.

One player can kill a boss 1000 times but their asp rank would only show up based on the best parse out of those 1000 kills.

[vale marten]

yeah true

there are 3150 assa rogues who have kiled atleast 1 boss

thats dont private log that is

[eternal drift]

Do you send one envenom in AOE (and ST) before deathstalker and shiv? Or just mutilate for the caustic spatter and then DS -> shiv -> envenom?

Not accounting for kingsbane (bleed build)

[hardy rapids]

Nothing crazy but im a lefty so the 1-4 with shift and alts are really easy, F1-F4 are on mouse

[desert cove]

so I have a question for cinderbrew, when the totem gets summoned should I target swap to it, or just let others take care of it

[strange tundra]

depends on key level, i always swap to it and full bleed with CT as well

also depends on group comp

do they ahve big dmg

[jaunty salmon]

at least send a CT

[desert cove]

gotcha, I was doing a 14 cinderbrew for the first time and I didn't really know how to approach that pull

[strange tundra]

just put full bleeds take 2 seconds

[desert cove]

I'm not a key pusher and my friend dragged me into a 14

[strange tundra]

garrote rupture and ct

[fluid timber]

did u find anything? was looking for the same thing and about to ask here

[late niche]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[strong flame]

Yeah I took the afenar weakaura pack, deleted all but the energy/combo point bit. Then added a "tick at 200 energy" via the display options of the energy bar.

[fluid timber]

thanks man, this is rly helpful

[rotund jungle]

do we use Clear the witness with Current ST build ? i mean with VV vuild

or do we ignore it

[normal mist]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[rotund jungle]

ty

[hot flicker]

Yeah I mean in m+ you don’t really starve energy or cp in pulls just garrote fok rupture fok ct and it’ll be fine

[sly ocean]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[shy axle]

any tips for first time sprocket myth progress i might not get from the guide?

[coral ibex]

hit boss

dont stand in beams

[fluid timber]

on m? be aware of shadowstepping

[shy axle]

[coral ibex]

dont greed the intermission

[spice surge]

Just dont shadowstep

[coral ibex]

shadowstep is banned

that's it

[shy axle]

why?

[coral ibex]

you will polarity the raid

[fluid timber]

u have 2 camps, u cant touch ppl from the other color

[coral ibex]

100%

[winged sun]

darkflame +17, almost beating 3.6k rio udk, was stunned for 6 sec on candle king and still did 1.91m st, and top dps on last boss too by a good gap

averaging around 1.8-2m pure st

double shiv + dashing build goes crazy in some keys

[coral ibex]

and since polarity gets randomly reassigned many times you can't even always step to a certain person

just dont shadowstep unless a wipe is called

then step to the opposite color

for max fun

[winged sun]

ngl this build is rly crazy in real gameplay

[fluid timber]

its only fun until u shadowstep into death advanced dk

[winged sun]

does insane overall and aoe and does raid st

[fluid timber]

which build u playing?

[winged sun]

and this build is the most funnel heavy build

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMjZmZmxM2mBAAAAAgZB2mBAAAAAg2WmZGMzYMzMLz2MzMYGzYwMzsZZMDwmZZgBsEsMMBGWA

[fluid timber]

ah this a hybrid build ?

[winged sun]

no garrotes, just rupture and blast aoe

ye

spam envenoms

it is a high key build ofc but ye

builds on +10 dont matter anyway

[fluid timber]

since i mainly play sub and dont rly like dots on melee speccs, u had me with no garrotes

[winged sun]

u only garrote on st

[shy axle]

just shadowstep the camp everytime, i get it

thanks guys

[fluid timber]

well on 1 target i dont mind

[shy axle]

@winged sun plays just like hybrid minues aoe gar? so 5 ruptures and spam env?

[fluid timber]

i just did the same but this one doesnt have like an indicator for the 150 energy thingy, or do u have another one ?

[winged sun]

@covert patrol

[winged sun]

yea 5 ruptures and envenoms, same crimson tempest refresh but no garrotes in aoe

since it has a cd in aoe

[shy axle]

ok ty for explaining it

[winged sun]

np

shiv is same as raid ofc

before kingsbane and last 8 sec

[golden loom]

anyone know if multiple atrophic poisons still stack in raid or did it get fixed?

[winged sun]

ye stacks

idk if it got fixed

we havent checked recently

idk if anyone has

but last time we checked it stacks still

[golden loom]

yeah I know at start of patch it was stacking

just thinkin if I should go numbing poison on bandit since we are 2 rogues

[silk sundial]

I was using that a good bit in season 1. Drop MA and picked up supercharger. In m+ do you supercharger your CT or Enevenom?

[winged sun]

nah

numbing is useless tho

[golden loom]

cause cast time extension on the adds kinda nice

[winged sun]

idk

maybe

but

6% dr is quite alot

[golden loom]

like u wanna kick the late adds anyways

[winged sun]

cant miss that

[golden loom]

ye

[winged sun]

u still need to apply the numbing too

so

its useless

warlock has a curse to lower cast if anything, it does stack with numbing but its w.e

imo DR is incredible

[golden loom]

yeah we have our lock CoT the far add

like the one ranges are on

[winged sun]

ye

idk feels like numbing is mega rare case where it'd help

rather than atrophic is guaranteed good value

[royal lantern]

atrophic and "guranteed"

[golden loom]

ye deffo if it stacks

[royal lantern]

lol

[winged sun]

it for sure does stack

last time it got fixed it was on tww start

alpha

[golden loom]

but in the case where only 1 works then going numbing would be the play for sure

[winged sun]

then it worked again start of tww s2 (after rwf i think)

idk if it worked for rwf

i believe it was the patch we had after rwf ended that fucked it again

not sure

[red schooner]

this is my plan for keeping sane on sprocket prog. When a wipe is called, see how many people I can send to the shadowrealm without dying myself.

[loud hearth]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[south token]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rotund oak]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[loud hawk]

do we max Mastery ? even if we get penalty

Sims are changing my enchants and gems every sim and i cant change them all the time

[rotund oak]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[loud hawk]

ty

[rotund oak]

yw

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[loud hawk]

do we have any Simulation guide

[vivid lodge]

Can anyone tell me what this garrote rapture ct counter is / how i get it?

[royal lantern]

i honestly dont know?

what is that supposed to be lol

4??? what 4?

[vivid lodge]

it tracks how many targets you have and how many got the bleeds

[royal lantern]

why would you track that

[vivid lodge]

but where is it from

[royal lantern]

and why frking 4

[loud hawk]

true why 4

[vivid lodge]

he got 4 targets atm i guess or 4 trash mobs

[loud hawk]

ohh

[vivid lodge]

if there 6 it would say 0/6

[tropic jewel]

maaaaaaaaaaaan

i cant

this boss gives me rage

[rotund oak]

its the most disorienting feature ive ever seen on a wa

totally useless

the onyl thing u ought to track is scent stacks

[coral ibex]

well dont you want more bleeds out with bleed build

[vivid lodge]

but why? you got x trash mobs you can easily see how many got it. looks nice. dunno sometimes espically when they stack you lose easily track

[rotund oak]

imagine having a platter

[coral ibex]

yea but having a weakaura to count them is easier to keep track of in a pull with 20 nameplates

[vivid lodge]

ofc i use platter and do it like that, but this seemded like a lil funny extra

[rotund oak]

its totally useless

[coral ibex]

and its called plater, if you're gonna mock me do it right

[deep hemlock]

well its whatever that suits for play style lol

why so angsty

[rotund oak]

thats not playstyle though

[vivid lodge]

bro maybe some people like it, whats the prob 😄 i hate when they stack on each other and it was easy to track like that.

but nvm i will continue to get bad eyes by looking at every plate

[sudden brook]

Idk track whatever u want lol

[deep hemlock]

exactly

[rotund oak]

yeah im tracking my rooms temperature

i like it

xd

[loud hawk]

Whats the best sim option for M+

[rotund oak]

dungeon slice

[loud hawk]

is Patchwerk 5 bosses 1:30M lenght any good

[rotund oak]

no unless u wanna sim combustion

[loud hawk]

ok ty

[rotund oak]

yw

[steel sable]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[ebon glen]

Was only a 10, and first dungeon ive done in a couple days. But does my breakdown look normal?

[slim copper]

are we stuck with this circes all season?>

[west crown]

Sudden demise could be a bit low but looks fine otherwise

[sudden brook]

Probs not with the added ilvl bump

[snow cypress]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

[slim copper]

any ring youd suggest or just sim?

really eyeing up a jaspers with the dinar

[sudden brook]

Just Sim

[golden loom]

have we innovated any cd timings on OAB

[sudden brook]

Well duh that's the best ring in the game lol

[golden loom]

[sudden brook]

Have you tried using Cd's on cd?

[golden loom]

ye thats what ive been doin

🐱

[clever sparrow]

how was the build?

have anyone tried?

[royal lantern]

can wait a cople seconds after pull if you need some more add dmg i gues

[winged sun]

@clever sparrow

[clever sparrow]

damn trying in TOP RN

[winged sun]

i am outdpsing dk in some keys

ToP ur better off playing with garrote i think

so u dont rly need double shiv + dashing there

since there are adds

on almost every boss

you'll be always healthy on energy with that build so

you'll do good st

[solar wyvern]

Yeah this build cranks ill post some stuff when im home

[spice spire]

Still might be. Some will hit weird points where circlet is bad because they have 30k mastery and like 6k everything else. But GIGA mast is gonna be king.
Could see maybe oab myth + jastor myth with bump knocking it off tho

[solar wyvern]

Played it all day yesterday

1.9m dps candleking sheee

[loud hawk]

Is the stats good?

[hexed frost]

Envenom:The Game

[sudden brook]

I already have circlet losing to other rings

With current gear

[spice spire]

Are you the scenario listed

Some already had circlet losing with 678+ heroic jastor

[winged sun]

ye i got stunned for 6 sec too

had to leave to range and shadowstep last moment because the mirror was in a cum

[sudden brook]

Nah stats are fairly even spread

[winged sun]

and i shadowstepped into another image

so i lost alot of dmg ig

[spice spire]

Are they spread to the point of circlet not giving mastery then?

Because that’s like

The two scenarios

[sudden brook]

No circlet is still giving mastery

[spice spire]

Need this sim rn

[rotund oak]

@balmy condor yo man,what is the difference if we drop tea for FI in ST?Is it actually more or we lose a significant amount

[spice spire]

Can’t get rid of it atm

[sudden brook]

Well I'm at work so gg

[spice spire]

GG

[winged sun]

sheeeeeeeesh

[royal lantern]

work on sunday? ouch

[rotund oak]

u doin' 7/7?

[clever sparrow]

WTF is 26 mil crit

[hexed frost]

Envenom maxxing

Darkest night with dry shiv

Inside lingering darkness

[nova aspen]

which keys u recommend for ur build

gonna try it

besides cleft

[strong flame]

you can make it yourself, just edit afenars energy bar like so (the tick component needs to be added to display)

[fluid timber]

thx, i give it a look

[nova aspen]

rook i bet

rook cleft mechagon

[brave comet]

should i just accept that my ad damage is gonna be low as assassination on oab?

[royal lantern]

yes

[sudden brook]

Put a rupture on that's all u can do

(it's why sub is still better as a prog spec if u know how to play it)

[royal lantern]

if you want add dmg on OAB, you play sub

[brave comet]

a rupture on the ad on the boss?

[frosty nebula]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XwT34B1CMgmqfKFJ?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=5 why does he has shadow blades in hes dmg done? like wtf

[inland dirge]

looks like they swapped to sub mid-dungeon

[pure moth]

Switches to sub mid dungeon

[frosty nebula]

interesting

[stable pasture]

you just swap from dashing and shiv to improved garotte and shrouded suff?

[tall atlas]

how bad if signet lands on crit?

[viscid spear]

The Resto Shaman in the WS 10 I just finished

[stable pasture]

swap mastery flask?

[tall atlas]

i tried thatbut im maghar

so

that messes with it a bit

maybe i could macro it to kb instead

[drifting cloud]

just change the order in the macro or

[coral ibex]

did you use evasion

[viscid spear]

Didn't think I needed to that often, I used it to soften magic damage occasionally.
Maybe if the other two dps actually did damage it wouldn't have felt tight.

[tall atlas]

will that happen in this order

or are they all at once

[solar wyvern]

Yes in that order but also all at once

[tall atlas]

nice

ill mod it about now

this seem better you think?

maybe swap pot and use

[coral ibex]

you won't experience any change

[tall atlas]

why

[solar wyvern]

For deathmark it doesn't matter since its a 16 sec cast but you'd want your pot and onuse before something like secret technique or an instant ability

[astral current]

/cast Deathmark is better to be last one

imo

[tall atlas]

so my crit and mastery value are close im just trying to stop the pacemaker overtake mastery when i hit signet as much as possible

[strong flame]

ya, put stuff thats off gcd first, like pot/trinkets/racial, deathmark probably triggers a gcd before

[astral current]

yep, exactly so

[astral current]

you can use this one and just replace blood fury with your racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use item:212970
/use item:212971
/use item:212265
/use item:212264
/use 13
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Deathmark

[tall atlas]

i just need HoC tbh pacemaker is annoying me

[astral current]

IDs are for potions, fleeting/default

[strong flame]

you dont want two onuse trinkets

[tall atlas]

sorry signet

[strong flame]

HoC would replace signet

[tall atlas]

is annoying me

[strong flame]

:d

ah yeh

[tall atlas]

ty guys ❤️

mast food and flask

[strong flame]

signet is kinda neat, in that it always fits with deathmark, where house of cards will be slightly off

[tall atlas]

idm but it keeps giving me crit thats the problem

because i have so much base crit

when pace procs it makes crit my highest stat and then i dont get a sxc mastery proc on pull

[royal lantern]

craft a neck/ring with mastery/haste or smth like that

[coral ibex]

it would matter if deathmark did alpha damage but this is how they execute

[real pike]

holy god damn I am seriously starting to enjoy Bandit

[royal lantern]

melee dps moment

hit boss and dont get hit by coins

[tall atlas]

its not about dm dam

its about cignet

[real pike]

it's wonderful

just follow boss around like a puppy

cleave when you can

get some cheeky extra energy from the adds

CDs on CD

my ape brain enjoy greatly

the only part I'm not enjoying is how hard I'm getting gapped by our lock lmao

[tall atlas]

its just signet that is annoying me

[feral wasp]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[royal lantern]

going from 45% to 13% in 1 pull

[modern fiber]

what is rupture sniping?

[real pike]

rupturing an add that's about to die for energy

or that dies

[winged sun]

yeah, im not sure where i'd swap off to garrote maybe only in ToP

[viscid spear]

[winged sun]

probably for all keys except cinderbrew, you can play master assassin in floodgates and cinder (hybrid)

[humble verge]

finally killed bandity

not even purple log

[winged sun]

you can also play the same build but swap off to improved garrote and the other talent

for floodgates

it is better overall for speed of the dungeon

but

master assassin is only super op if ur swapping off to sub for 3rd boss

i have to try the build more i need to see how it feels in floodgates first

might be rly good

might be just op everywhere

[real pike]

gratss

[winged sun]

the double shiv with dashing does give a quite insane boost to st

which makes bosses go alot faster

i truly believe sin has better st than unholy with this build or about the same

it is definitely a must play for workshop/darkflame and priory tho

[humble verge]

shouldve killed it 100 wipes ago

icl

[winged sun]

master assassin is mega troll in rookery aswell

so you'll just go back to this build

[modern fiber]

thank you!

[real pike]

!bandit

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[nova aspen]

hmm ok

[humble verge]

wheres the image

[viscid spear]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[worn marsh]

do you still press the 1 garrote you still have cd for in opener or not bother

[winged sun]

you could

unless its just 1 important mob being garroted

prob just better to pad on the big pack then garrote once they're dead

[clever sparrow]

Hybrid VS Bleed in ToP?

[timid cosmos]

Any clue why my Venomous Wounds might not be working?

energy gain is giga low

[stable pasture]

im just enjoying the build because my aoe i feel like is more or less same as bleed

but my st is much better

so we take it

[coral ibex]

check ur poisons

last time someone said this they had instant poison on

[humble verge]

omegelol

[timid cosmos]

lmao

you were right

my mate is super embarassed

thanks for that!

[viscid spear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/1347570769441329202/watermark.gif?width=373&height=210

[solar wyvern]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4VYf87FQMCbx3JyK these are my runs with your build. Its definitely a boss muncher

[winged sun]

Nice

Good dmg

[iron carbon]

I can give a test for you a couple of keys. Do you think 15+ is relevant enough?

[winged sun]

Sure

Boss dmg is relevant on 15s

[iron carbon]

ToP, WK, DFC and PSF you said?

[winged sun]

You can play it on all keys except floodgates and cinderbrew

Those 2 u play either hybrid or bleed build

[iron carbon]

To have access to Iron wire?

[winged sun]

I never play Ironwire

[viscid spear]

[iron carbon]

You not pugging I bet?

[winged sun]

No

[tall atlas]

Priory 11

[winged sun]

Also they keys I do are too high for bleed build to be good

[winged sun]

Sheeesh cuh

What build is that ur playing on 11

[tall atlas]

bleed

[iron carbon]

Yeh, sure, but why you need bleeds or hybrid on flood/brew then?

If you do'nt play iw

[winged sun]

I play hybrid for mega funnel

[iron carbon]

Sub would'nt do the job?

[winged sun]

Sub has no funnel

Also it’s rly bad in cinderbrew

[solar wyvern]

Im lowkey not entirely convinced hybrid is better than bleed in floodgate

[tall atlas]

29m demise crit

[winged sun]

U can’t play hybrid for last 2 bosses imo

Bleed*

u legit do tank dps

[solar wyvern]

Idk bleed st is similar to hybrid in my experience

[winged sun]

I’d just play forced induction for floodgates

I still also want to try dashing in floodgates

I’m convinced it’ll be good there

[tall atlas]

agreed

[solar wyvern]

But i haven't played a lot of hybrid this season. Maybe i givr it a whirl

[tall atlas]

if you play it like youre meant to

above 50% energy, full send in dm/ dn

its goo

d

[winged sun]

Hybrid does more st

Like

[solar wyvern]

With FI for sure it does

[winged sun]

Bleed will do well if u pull the boss with all ur cds rdu

[tall atlas]

ye more but i would say the amount of aoe you lose isnt worth it

[winged sun]

Rdy+3 tea’s

But

If u don’t

It’s over

[solar wyvern]

Ehh kinda, there comes a key level where prio targets just dont die

Without a prio spec

[winged sun]

Subterfuge just feels worse in much higher keys anyway

[iron carbon]

I don't get it Zeross

[winged sun]

I’ll prob end up never playing subterfuge only in keys like cinderbrew

[solar wyvern]

That was my experience last season, i just played 2x lethality supercharger at the end

[iron carbon]

I don't like subterfuge tbh

[noble night]

!wa

[iron carbon]

Only on bleeds build

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[iron carbon]

I pref the big envenom way

[solar wyvern]

I think it may just be comp dependent. Like if I'm playing with a havoc dh, bleed value goes up

Since prio is covered

[winged sun]

From my experience bleed build doesn’t do higher aoe whatsoever

[solar wyvern]

How much haste were you playing with? I was consistently 1-1.5m higher on bleed vs hybrid

In giga pulls

[winged sun]

I don’t remember haven’t touched it recently

I could see bleed build being good in ToP only

[solar wyvern]

In top it kinda goes crazy

On kulthorak and gorechop

[iron carbon]

Just did one at the moment

[winged sun]

And skip x2 mini bosses

[solar wyvern]

But i wanna try dashing lightweight and compare

[iron carbon]

3,5m overall

As bleeds

[winged sun]

You must skip x2 mini bosses if ur playing bleed

[solar wyvern]

Just didnt have a single key roll into top last night

[winged sun]

Otherwise its gg

[solar wyvern]

Yeah for sure, but people do that anyways nowadays

[iron carbon]

Dunno how good/bad it is

[solar wyvern]

Its okay for top

[iron carbon]

I died a pack btw

Tank refused to use his kick to save me

[winged sun]

I go take a nap brb

[iron carbon]

gn angel

[solar wyvern]

Gl sweet prince

[modern fiber]

I noticed wowhead recommends the embellishments: DS Ascension w/ Writhing Armor banding. I am just switching to assasination after having mained Subtlety so my current embellishments are the Elemental focusing lens (X2). When I sim it as assasination, raidbots says that my current embellishments are better than switching. Am I doing something wrong or is Wowhead wrong?

[spice surge]

Embellishments are so weak that it practically doesnt matter

[rotund oak]

ok got a sniff of forced induction vs tea

i think FI is more of a pvp thing

it does feel nice to have those huge finishers though

[iron carbon]

Just realised I had no potions on the run

[solar wyvern]

Or u play it in very low keys for bleed build

Biiiig sudden demise

[iron carbon]

I guess I could reach 3m8 without dying + using pots

[rotund oak]

yup

i think ive managed to train my brain enough to forget IW

but that node is so stupid strong

holyfuk

[modern fiber]

well that's a bummer

[clever sparrow]

HOW YOU GUYS KILLS BANNERS IN ToP?

[runic hinge]

Dot them and pray

Could save darkest night for it

[wise plume]

i always try to save DN for them

[viscid spear]

Pugging raid to fill out vault, RL kicks someone before Rik, a Shaman gets pissed because it's a guildie and pulls boss after leaving group. Puts this out before he leaves

[old halo]

dats kind of funny tbh

[rotund oak]

actively swap on them,like a normal human being would do

[viscid spear]

Not as funny as the last amp being clear on the other side of the arena from the previous one, and it being right next to boss so 90% of the group doesn't make it in time.
(I did)

[old halo]

lololol

i have to put on neural silener every raid cuz guildes obsessed with swapblaster

[viscid spear]

Boss was on red circle, we were on Skull, last amp was on green circle

Got him on second try, filled the Vault and didn't feel like staying

[shut minnow]

Is there a simple way or weakaura to track uptime on rupture and Garrote? (New Rogue)

[west crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[viscid spear]

I'd fill out Delves too but there's nothing in there I would want and I'm capped on Gilded for the week

[buoyant herald]

You’re not doing delves for the love of it?

Hero energy drink goes pretty hard

[viscid spear]

My motivation to play waxes and wanes

[clever sparrow]

the dmg isnt enough

[buoyant herald]

Equip your bike trinket too maybe? God help you if you get two in a row tho

[nova shadow]

thats the new supercharged shiv and DashingScoundrel with 1 garrote build

really solid envenom numbers big st

credits to zeross

[west crown]

Put bleeds on it, 1 Envenom and sudden demise kills it by then. Not fast but that’s what you gotta do

[sonic schooner]

Credit to @winged sun

[buoyant herald]

You know I love this shit, great cooks, tweakable builds that work for different niches, very cool

Might have to add this one to the stable even though I don’t do high enough keys for it to be required

[sonic schooner]

it does great from my testings, losing a little bit of aoe to gain a lot of single target somehow. Very cool in keys where garrot has low value and prio / st damage are welcome (aka everykeys cuz other classes just do aoe but arcane)

[west crown]

Got a code?

/pic

[echo crystal]

anyone have a plater mod to track improved garrotes? Cant seem to find one

[sonic schooner]

#assassination message

@west crown

[tall atlas]

go to outlaw and do !wa

get zacs wa pack

its amazing

[balmy condor]

how would that fix his plater

[tall atlas]

aw ok fair

mb

[balmy condor]

idk how many people track improved garrote on plater though to be fair

[tall atlas]

was just being helpful guess ill go back to shuttin up

can we add zacs wa to the !wa command? its genuinely awesome

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tall atlas]

whis, the gear equipped on the ST DS Rogue in this spreadsheet. is that the real BiS list?

[echo crystal]

wouldnt it be useful though? Or am I too feral brained?

[balmy condor]

idk maybe, what does bis even mean

[tall atlas]

fair

[balmy condor]

usually for single target people track it on their weakaura, for aoe you don't really spread non-empowered garrotes so it doesn't particularly matter

[tall atlas]

392401 is imp garrote spell ID

[echo crystal]

thanks both of you!

[balmy condor]

imp garrote doesn't have a spell id

[balmy condor]

yes that's the buff on your character

[tall atlas]

garrote is 703

ah okay fair

so what would trigger a wa to know that its the improved version on a mob

[balmy condor]

a lot of lua code

[coarse summit]

feral players use an addon to track it i think, lemme try to find it

not sure if it interacts with plater or how it works

[balmy condor]

basically most weakauras that track imp gar

will check your buffs and then read the combat log

to see if you cast a garrote while the buff is active

[static glacier]

yo guys

[fallow sonnet]

Is Arterial Precision worse than kingsbane for every M+ dungeon or only some of them? I feel like arterial precision is insanely good in like priory and cinderbrew and big aoe pull ones but 4 of the top 5 best assass M+ rogues are running kingsbane poison build over it

[static glacier]

we're planning on sending all in 3rd cages to overload (break out giga quick) them, do we do more goon dmg inside or out

[tall atlas]

to check for indsc car or subter

?

[balmy condor]

people play hybrid, and especially FI hybrid, specifically for the single target damage

[fallow sonnet]

fl?

[balmy condor]

for overall, you'd probably never play hybrid tbh

forced induction

[coarse summit]

https://wago.io/bfgPasy27 there is this plater script for feral

[coral ibex]

with the right positioning you probably do more total damage outside but you'd probably do more damage to one goon in a gaol

[balmy condor]

for improved garrote

[static glacier]

thing is it worth making an argument for me and other rogue being exceptions?

this will be at like 5:25-6ish, solidly in execute

but no cds running

[coral ibex]

i'm not sure

[static glacier]

I don't mind following instructions if it gets the kill, Im just questioning if it's the play or not

if we'd do more goon dmg while outside we would stay out, but it'll be on the 4 cage set

[fallow sonnet]

so the only reason to take kinsbane instead of Arterial precision is for single target dmg on boss right

[balmy condor]

generally yes

[coral ibex]

i havent gotten to mugzee yet but i'd say probably just go in the gaol until you are lacking the boss damage to secure the kill

[static glacier]

it's not a thing this tier but if we were to see something like galakrond haste buff + shield dmg check again kingsbane would be good for that kinda situation

[teal patrol]

this is the hardest one i've hit loving this build thanks guys

[tall atlas]

OOOOOOOOOOOFF

thats the biggest one ive seen

[fallow sonnet]

so then .. . is arterial precision the move?

4 of the top 5 rogue in m+ were running kingsbane when i chekced yesterday

[static glacier]

they care a lot about pure st

[fallow sonnet]

ok true

[balmy condor]

unless you're doing like fucking 19's or whatever

[nova shadow]

From my experience you may have more overall but if you do 6:30 min fight on rookery last boss you ain’t timing that shit

[balmy condor]

no real reason to not play bleed build

[fallow sonnet]

yea for like 10-12s

ok cool

[balmy condor]

definitely not at that range

it's like title only

probably the top X% of title

[vivid mulch]

I only realized today people aren't using legendary skippers citrine anymore xd

[balmy condor]

yikes

[vivid mulch]

Like no wonder my mastery wasn't as high as other's even tho i was wearing high mastery gera

Like when did we swap?

[static glacier]

when they nerfed legendary citrine

[balmy condor]

s2 launch

[static glacier]

right before launch

[balmy condor]

yeh

[vivid mulch]

ohhh they nerfed it?

oml

How

[balmy condor]

the nerfed it before the patch came out

[static glacier]

outlaw still running it 🙂

[vivid mulch]

Im boutta pump even more dmg now then

[balmy condor]

doesn't turn into war queens anymore

so it was like -1% or something, a large large portion of skippers was warqueens

[vivid mulch]

ahhhh

i see

[silk sundial]

On the topic of imp garrotes. In an aoe situation should we refresh the imp garrote during the last second or two of subt/ic window?

[tall atlas]

idk if its right to but ill chuck a couple out if theres nothing more important to do

[silk sundial]

That's what I've been doing. Idk if it's optimal, but imp garrote does a decent chunk w/bleed build

[tall atlas]

and rupture has no cd so you can just spam it

[slim copper]

Starting to get better 😄

[balmy condor]

yes that's fine

[silk sundial]

How about in ST? Worth refreshing at the last second outside of pandemic?

[balmy condor]

yeh also fine

[fallow sonnet]

is any good? droptimizer said it was a 12000 dps increase from my eye of kazan but in M+ it only does 1.2% of my dmg consistently, i feel like it sucks?

[coral ibex]

do you have like an LFR kezan or something

link sim

[acoustic roost]

In m+, eye drops constantly between packs

[buoyant herald]

The goons aren’t great for assass, even less so in aoe

[west crown]

Eye of Kazan is bad generally unless you are progging mythic and droptimizer in my experience is inaccurate for sin

[sudden brook]

Hotline is aight

It gives mainstat

Pops off with lust

It's a st trinket tho

But theres barely any aoe trinkets this tier

U take what, pacemaker, eye of kezan, house of cards

[buoyant herald]

Priory. Energy drink and that other delve trinket go pretty well at hero track

The geargrinder keys aren’t awful either

[winged sun]

@sonic schooner

5.12m overall with double shiv build

@solar wyvern

destroyed the shit out of the dk

[buoyant herald]

Is this your cook build?

[winged sun]

ye

legit craziest dps i've ever pulled off all season

[buoyant herald]

Nice, sending to my uhdk mate

[winged sun]

[buoyant herald]

Are you always/only double shivving during Kb

[winged sun]

just a matter of time till ppl play double shiv

on high keys

[winged sun]

ideally yeah

unless @balmy condor has something i dont know

[thorn thorn]

Its john assassination rogue

[winged sun]

do we have any situation where we dont shiv inside of kingsbane?

i sometimes dont double shiv because im using it for aoe

[lean plover]

Dont you shiv for DN on lingering darkness?

[winged sun]

supercharger and stuff

ye

its vry big

legit does insane dmg

[winged sun]

is that always a gain btw

over

1st part of kingsbane?

[lean plover]

Most likely

since 1st part of kingsbane is a wet noodle

[winged sun]

@spice spire is this a gain over first part of kingsbane?

need a TC to confirm

[winged sun]

that is true ye

[lean plover]

Can hit 10-15m envenoms

[winged sun]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/V4JzrLPZtRXT9d1p?fight=last&type=damage-done

heres the log for darkflame

incase anyone is interested

4.5m dps

same as a 676 dk with 9 pi's

LMAO

[hexed root]

double shiv build just bleed build yea? 5mil overall in dfc mega impressive. I'm just a vault filling andy but usually 3mil-4mil overall.

[sonic schooner]

u built diff zero

but also isnt log lower overalls cuz of the way logs works?

[winged sun]

Ye

[sonic schooner]

i wonder why the sim does 2 shivs back to back with this talents

[balmy condor]

I don't think zeross plays bleed, double shiv kinda sucsk in m+ unless you're taking arterial

[winged sun]

bleed better in low keys

[balmy condor]

what talents

[winged sun]

dont play my build in low keys

[sonic schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1366203434545577994/image.png?ex=68101799&is=680ec619&hm=c5c7fec57dd6518d586cc465725655269d186e8a8704b2d56ae0d866a67a1547&

[sonic schooner]

that whispyr

since u /ignored zero i guess

[balmy condor]

what the fuck is that

[winged sun]

it works rly well in high keys

[sonic schooner]

it s actually doing greater overall in high keys

[winged sun]

idk why

[sonic schooner]

dropping some little aoe for more st somehow

[winged sun]

and it does 2m pure st

[balmy condor]

taking double shiv over imp gar

[winged sun]

with bl

[balmy condor]

is actually demented

[winged sun]

issue is

garrote is useless in high keys

[sonic schooner]

and yea, even tho the sim disagree but the sim does really weird stuff

[winged sun]

some mobs ur garroting die insta

[balmy condor]

I'll take a look

[sonic schooner]

it s still even more single target

[winged sun]

just fyi

[hexed root]

i like bleed build more for ST in low keys

[winged sun]

this build is extremely hard to play

you have to FoK between ruptures

[sonic schooner]

but i think it really depens on key, like to me it felt bad in top / ML when i tried, but it felt definitly better and number were higher in dfc

[lean plover]

wdym, doesnt sbs give u full cp?

[balmy condor]

I mean I don't see the point in taking sudden demise with this build honestly

[sonic schooner]

well that what i was asking myself

but since they buffed it to 15%

it s a lot on rupture / ct and garr st

[balmy condor]

like if we're going to play a raid build, we already have build archetypes for that

the return of cleave

[sonic schooner]

but u dont get ct on the cleave m+ build

or do we?

[balmy condor]

ofc you do

what

[winged sun]

what else would i pick

[sonic schooner]

Yo zero

[balmy condor]

its this, but no one plays it so would change it to FI/ttk/dashing

[sonic schooner]

Check that

[balmy condor]

that's a raid build you knob

[winged sun]

i thought about dropping sudden demise but idk what alternative i can take

[balmy condor]

lemme fix this cleave build

hold on

[winged sun]

i dont think my build is undersimming, its just rly good on mobs that live

for abit

[sonic schooner]

i actually wonder how much scent is in reality zero. Do you think we can give up that unless high boss funnel (brew / floodgate) ?

[balmy condor]

would basically be this

[winged sun]

cannot drop scent

impossible

scent is the most broken talent in m+ atm

[sonic schooner]

yea i agree but i was just wondering

[winged sun]

nah

impossible

[balmy condor]

anyway lemme go take a look at the shiv thing

looks okay on first glance though

so probably some weird breaks only sometimes type shit

[sonic schooner]

do u still have the screenshot of the double shiv somewhere zero?

[winged sun]

i saw a double shiv before

double shiv back to back

let me see if i can find the sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xuzKN4z2NorozEzMDSywAP

[sonic schooner]

yea that was an aoe sim

[winged sun]

10 target sim, i was kinda trying to see what it does

it was rupturing alot?

which seems odd

[sonic schooner]

must value reapplying rupture

i can feel that aoe IC without subterfuge can be a bit broken

[balmy condor]

Oh

Patchwerk aoe sims

[winged sun]

yeah

[balmy condor]

Yeah those aren’t supported

Gl with that

[winged sun]

oh rip

hmm

[sonic schooner]

work on the apl zero now

[balmy condor]

Too many builds too many situations too many breakpoints

You sim one thing in 8 target it’s +2% for one specific build and then it’s -3% in dslice

[winged sun]

im down to try this with any sin rogue in a low key idk how its gonna play out on details

[sonic schooner]

that s why i felt odd about ds / aoe sims

[balmy condor]

Ds is good

[winged sun]

ye ds is good

[balmy condor]

We optimize for ds and that’s supported

I’m not going to spend like 50 hours optimizing 9 target 3 min no bloodlust with no tea double shiv dashing no imp gar

[sonic schooner]

yea my feeling is mostly due to the fact that you dont have giga pulls in DS

[balmy condor]

Just because one dude one time decides it’s better

[sonic schooner]

ohyea ofc

[nova aspen]

@winged sun u dont ct in st right

with ur build

[solar wyvern]

No

[winged sun]

ye its alot of work just high keys

[solar wyvern]

Amp poison means no ct in st

[nova aspen]

ye ok

[balmy condor]

Like as an example the other day shindig was asking about what target count you stop using shiv with hybrid

[nova aspen]

im about to try some 15-16s ill give it a whirl

[balmy condor]

And like there was easy 2-3% gains in sustained patchwerk but none of that shit works in dslice

Was -1.5% in dslice

So then the question is, is it worth adding that shit just to make 7 target patchwerk accurate?

[nova aspen]

do u drop ttk for MA for ur standard hybrid?

[balmy condor]

Obviously not

So then you gotta go in and figure out why it sucks in dungeonslice

Patchwerk aoe is just a terrible sim that doesn’t apply to anything

Is what it is

Also makes the sims just terrible to maintain

[winged sun]

could crit stat be potentially undersimming whispyr?

i feel like it does alot on pure st

and specifically on this build, having 30% crit baseline feels very good

[balmy condor]

Like just critv

The stat

[winged sun]

you always pump full cp every fok kinda

yeah

just the stat

[balmy condor]

No, that’s not possible

[wooden timber]

zeross why do u say ma is really important for cinderbrew specifically?

[winged sun]

we are starting key

cant talk sry

[wooden timber]

ok np

[gaunt quiver]

Im late to this party which build is being discussed?

[nova aspen]

this cook

[cunning needle]

kingsbane

🤮

[nova aspen]

garrote main target, 5-6 rups

blast spatter

[pastel ermine]

Was this time in combat checked in details? Cause that’s crazy if it is, on logs tho this would be around 4m cause it calculates time in combat only

[nova aspen]

big st

[gaunt quiver]

Oh I use that one sometimes.

Its great on damage amp bosses.

[nova kelp]

wouldn't you be better off taking the points out of the right side and chucking them into the left?

especially now with the ambush changes

[gaunt quiver]

Scent of Blood AGI boost is pretty dope.

[nova kelp]

I doubt that would be ENOUGH of an aoe diff

like if you wanted to shove some of your aoe into single target there's an easier option here

press n, spec sub

[lean plover]

Now you have st but no aoe

[gaunt quiver]

20% AGI in packs of at least 5. Which at high level keys is almost always happening.

[nova kelp]

that tree up there is a pretty massive loss in aoe though

compared to the more reg bleed build I'd imagine at least

I'd be surprised if it out paced the normal sub build for aoe by a collossal margin

although wouldn't be worried about lining shit up so much

[gaunt quiver]

I posted a 33M envenom against momma a few days ago using that spec.

[nova kelp]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh

random events are hard to go by

I once made people cheer at a karaoke bar

doesn't fmean I'm a sick singer

this just looks more like adjusting by a group preference, WHICH makes sense to do as you go higher depending on requirements

but once you're at that stage, it's like being a chef
you can break the rules so long as you know how and why they're there

[balmy condor]

33m doesn’t even seem that high tbh

People are getting 19mil with no damage amp in raids

Momma is 200% amp

Should realistically be able to get way higher than 33

[tall atlas]

In raid?

19m in raid

[balmy condor]

Yes

[tall atlas]

Don’t think I’m hitting anywhere near that

[balmy condor]

[nova kelp]

oh shit yeah, I thought that sounded high at first but apparently I did an 18m on cauldron last night

last raid*

[balmy condor]

I mean even if you’re only doing 15 mil, that would mean 45 mil on momma

[thorn thorn]

Just do more damage

Its that shrimple

[balmy condor]

True

[coral ibex]

do you mean to tell me a shrimp fried this rice?

[winged sun]

in logs 4.5m