assassination

[nova kelp]

it's not our game

lol

the alternative option is to start gearing an unh dk and laugh your way to 3k with 2 buttons

[worn geyser]

and occasionally u get a boss like momma in floodgate where u fuck on

[clever sparrow]

ok what to do when packs live longer than garrote + rupture duration?

should i vanish and re buff?

or auto attak until they die?

[nova kelp]

you can just keep playing on, you don't HAVE to rely on IC

there's nothing bad about reapplying bleeds in prolonged combat

[worn geyser]

depends if pack will live longer, can reapply ruptures without vanishing np

[nova kelp]

vanish is essentially an offensive cd, don't sit on it, but also have it where you need it

[clever sparrow]

what about garrotes?

[nova kelp]

a fight like big momma is a good example, you'll probably want a vanish each time new adds appear

[worn geyser]

can be tough to lose vanish greeding dam only to find out tank starts chaining to next pack, and you cant get a easy IC on high health new mobs

[clever sparrow]

as i know assa isnt like outlaw you dont have restless blade thing

how to have vanish there 😄

[nova kelp]

good timing and experience

that's about it

[worn geyser]

garrotes on prio target always, but if theres hella mobs u dont gotta respread it around like that

[clever sparrow]

how do you splash on a big pull?

should i keep spamming tab?

(when in Subt window)

actually IC window

[nova kelp]

you don't really need to switch, and arguably shouldn't because of dsmark
aside from cc/kick

[worn geyser]

im not sure what ur referring to by splash, but i use mouseover personally

[clever sparrow]

HMMMM

i have to make the macros then

[nova kelp]

even using a mouseover is pretty minimal gain really

optimal though

[worn geyser]

yeah nothing really that bad about just gar gar rup rup

just personally got used to mouseover cause its a personal irk to lose even small free dam just bc i cant take a day to learn something

wasnt so bad learning to use it without clunk

[clever sparrow]

on the same target?

i mean even with IC?

does it even spread?

[nova kelp]

it smart spreads

[clever sparrow]

the bleeds

[clever sparrow]

OHHH

[nova kelp]

what's the ! command for the bleed thing

[clever sparrow]

so it doesnt waste on the same 3 target?

[worn geyser]

!ic

fuck

[clever sparrow]

!bleed

!ic

hmm

[worn geyser]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[clever sparrow]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[clever sparrow]

?

ahh

[worn geyser]

yes

[nova kelp]

there we go

[clever sparrow]

the main reason

i hates playing assa

was tab targeting

too lazy to do it

and now it doesnt need it

😄

[nova kelp]

TL:DR you don't need to target switch at all, mouse over IS optimal but even then is a small gain

pick your poison

errr... wow... I've never really considered how confusing the term "pick your poison" is when you're referring to rogues...

don't PICK your poison, use deadly

lol

[worn geyser]

yeah i mean i wouldnt feel bad about not using mouseover , its way easier and can be looking at ur feet instead of where tf ur mouse is mid pack

[nova kelp]

I think the only weird bit is
if the mobs live through a full bleed rotation and you're going to pop a vanish for more IC time
the REAPPLICATION is GIGA random

like just fucking

does it's thing

[drifting cedar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nova kelp]

the smart targetting only really works well when things have NO bleed on them

[worn geyser]

yeah it really doesnt do what u want , that and also being able to pick and choose which packs to apply new ic spreads to when chaining is why i mouseover too

like sometimes u can mouseover the farthest new mob before it gets close to the old mobs to force it spread on the new high health mobs that just got pulled

[clever sparrow]

one more thing Should I deathmark

in aoe?

its kinda useless

whats the point of killing one faster

[scarlet orbit]

Killing a high hp mob faster is a pretty big deal. On of the reasons arcane is so good rn is that they can funnel dmg into the biggest health mob/boss. Also you would hold your cd and trinket for nearly half of the dungeons time which is a HUGE loss in dmg

[worn geyser]

depends pack size and how long they will live and if one target is much higher prio or health

[clever sparrow]

like thos lutenant in piory

got it

[worn geyser]

ye

[clever sparrow]

so my main target should be him

to apply DM + deathstalker

[worn geyser]

ye prolly in that pack

[clever sparrow]

what about the potions? should i go with mastery? (already mastery capped tho )

or alchemical chaos?

[scarlet orbit]

In m+ the go to rule for using cds is it just to use them on cd. Its not so important if your mob dies to fast happens in low keys you still do more dmg then if you hold it for to long

[clever sparrow]

make sense

[iron vapor]

I use flask if alchemical chaos and tempered potion

Assassination likes all stats so alchemical chaos is always a win

[snow hamlet]

Is imp gar+master better than VV in myth Mug'zee?

[golden loom]

VV is better for execute and thats all that matters on that fight

[iron vapor]

Probably not? You should have near 100% uptime on mugzee

[dull pulsar]

guys just switched to night elf, what's the best use of racial in m+ ?

[snow hamlet]

@golden loom
Sorry, I didn't make it clear, it corresponds to the new 4 healers gameplay

[dull pulsar]

shadowmeld doesn't reset your improved garrote and subterfuge ?

[snow hamlet]

need more P1 damage

no

[golden loom]

u have to meld -> stealth but its a big funky mess 🙂

[snow hamlet]

need shadowmeld to cast stealth

[golden loom]

sounds like it would still be so marginal that to not matter

you still lust at 40% right?

[dull pulsar]

i tried meld then stealth but the option is "blocked", should i move then instant stealth ?

[quasi hill]

Is there a generell advice if I found my self energy starved what I did wrong ?

[golden loom]

idk I am not nelf but all I know is that its janky

[golden loom]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[hard perch]

How does deathmark work ? Do I need to reapply the bleeds after i use it or does it duplicate any pre applied bleed ?

[golden loom]

its dynamic

so any rupture/garotte is duplicated while deathmark is active, doesnt matter if they are cast before or during

[hard perch]

Thanks!

[subtle tundra]

it gives you a massive damage boost after.
single target damage is still damage
it boosts kb -> more spatter

its very far from useless

[snow hamlet]

When you have ds mark on the target, it will stop you go in stealth

It is best to try meld->stealth when you have DN

[subtle tundra]

i dont play night elf but i have never heard of that

[golden loom]

when are u swapping to pandaren on all chars varas

[subtle tundra]

my shaman is a panda

[golden loom]

broken!

[dull pulsar]

ooooh let me try one sec

[subtle tundra]

now with hearty feasts its op

[dull pulsar]

It doesn't work haha

like i don't have the option to stealth

after meld

[snow hamlet]

what?

you still need to move away or turn your back on the target.

[dull pulsar]

So you never use meld mid pack but at the end of a pack to be able to chain ?

[snow hamlet]

wdym

[vernal snow]

Is there a good guide, especially for m+ somewhere out for that bleed build?

[dull pulsar]

Like i am trying to shadowmeld on training dummy, to be able to apply improved garrote afterwards but it doesn't work, I meld, than it's normal garrote again

[deep gyro]

I am benched for oab prog cause iwas switching guilds. But the other rogue was running bleed build on it? Is that troll or ok if adds need to die.

[golden loom]

if u are running bleed build in raid

u need to be banned

[subtle tundra]

holy shit

these people cant be real

i refuse to believe

[snow hamlet]

Wait, are you talking about the raid??

[golden loom]

like if the only thing that needs to die is the adds, PLAY SUB

[snow hamlet]

As I just said, you need meld->stealth

[subtle tundra]

AHHAHAHHAHAHAH

[tough hare]

You need to move out or add a /stopattack in a macro so that you dont instantly get out of stealth because of weapon swing

[subtle tundra]

HE IS NOT JOKING

AHAHAHHAHAHA

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[golden loom]

Follow the blood bleed in raid

[tough hare]

With follow the blood too, damn

[golden loom]

That guy needs to double vanish onto the bench

[tough hare]

Insane CT value

[subtle tundra]

carnage follow the blood

whats next

IRON WIRE?

[lethal heart]

[golden loom]

Ironwire to kick the reel assistants

[subtle tundra]

world 600 be like
im gonna play full m+ build

[plucky canopy]

Not that this would be any good, but could you in Theorie kill the reel assistant through shield with a fat demise?

Or would that just not do anything and stop at 25% anyway?

[golden loom]

wait Ablazeolive is in that guild tho, thats cool

@subtle tundra btw this guy played SOMETHING CRAZY ON STIX

[subtle tundra]

MANNNNNNNNNNN

STOP LETTING THEM IN THE KITCHEN

people really think they slick or something

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-homer-simpson-microwave-microwaves-fail-gif-26487089

[red schooner]

Nah bleed build is great on stix.

You can sudden demise mind controlled allies

To teach them not to get fucking mind controlled

[golden loom]

rik is the mindcontrol fight

[red schooner]

Shit

[dapper cradle]

[red schooner]

I'm tired and uncaffeinated I'm going back to bed

Cat decided at 4am, yes, now is the time to demand attention

Fuck

[plucky canopy]

Noted
Next week going to play big demise build for rik

[red schooner]

Only way to train your raid team

Murder

[plucky canopy]

Let em feel

Let em bleeeed

[deep gyro]

I just saw all the messages. Damn

[golden loom]

I do respect the cooking to be fair tho

it just looks pretty funny

[deep gyro]

Idk how their prog was going before that point but ig he just plays assa. ig they needed help with adds.

[kind forge]

That’s not the way to get help with adds on that fight imho

[golden loom]

yeah the regular build just does the job better

[plucky canopy]

His add dmg is prob still worse than most classes
Sin should pump boss dam so others can focus more on adds, or swap to sub and hold dances for adds

We progress Bandit currently aswell and I do almost no add dmg (at least not to reel assistant) but pump boss very good

[subtle tundra]

i can understand his thought process

but maybe dont copy paste an m+ build

and actually think about it

[golden loom]

thats whats confusing with the stix build

its a home-cook

[deep gyro]

I just hope i can get in on thsi boss not raiding feels crappy >.>.

[scarlet wyvern]

does bleed build love haste or crit more?

[warm vortex]

Sim

Stat prio don’t matter

Just sim your gear and it will give you the answer

[scarlet wyvern]

ty

[warm vortex]

Yeye np

Very hard, or rather, impossible, to tell what stats would be best without feeding it into sim.

[lethal heart]

this is the same people that will tell you 3k score in m+ is as difficult as cutting edge

[warm vortex]

Nobody says that

At least

I hope

[lethal heart]

people do sadly

[viscid spear]

I'm at 2600 and AotC

[lethal heart]

you're great tho @viscid spear

[spice surge]

I would like to play bleed in raid, throwing ruptures and CT for big demises on adds sounds way more engaging and fun than just hitting boss 100% of the time

But ye the numbers just aint there atm

[viscid spear]

I'm not sure if I want to push higher though.
Feeling content in just gooning 10s for the season

[lethal heart]

i might just do 3000 for the moont

(that i will never ever use)

[viscid spear]

What's the average key level across the board you would need for that?

[lethal heart]

think all 13s should be safe

bunch of 12s/13s?

[viscid spear]

Because I have only 10s across and it put me just over 2600

[spice surge]

Its all 12s and 1 or 2 13s

[strange python]

is this junkmaster shit something anyone actually wants to use

[viscid spear]

I'm afraid to ask how much harder going from 10 to 12 is

[subtle tundra]

huge difficulty

[nova aspen]

it can vary based on how well u time them, i got it at half 12s half 13s

[spice surge]

Iirc it should be 17%

[subtle tundra]

you know how big of a joke CE will be? 18% dmg buff and 685 ilvl

the amount of mechanics you will have to do on mythic mugzee at the end of the tier will be like half

[indigo sphinx]

As with anything it is all conditional on timing. 3k io week 1 would have been pretty good etc.

Its all sort of meaningless in that way

[subtle tundra]

well im talking comparatively to other tiers

[spice surge]

if you push p2 before his second goals do you only get 3 goals in p2

Since its +1 per cast

Thats still pretty far away in terms of dps, but who knows

[indigo sphinx]

Yaa but like, there are always tiers people say are easier or harder or xyz. Some tiers are easier for higher end guilds but not that many guilds clear it etc etc

There is so much variance always

[subtle tundra]

not that far, we get to like 47-49%

without bl

so like in 3-4 weeks we will push before that

[viscid spear]

He adds Goon Tombs each cast on Mythic?

[lethal heart]

[subtle tundra]

well yeah thats why it had such strict comp requirements

[viscid spear]

That explains the Void Elf thing

[subtle tundra]

its weird how early raid gets harder and late raid gets easier all the time

[lethal heart]

not a big fan of that tbh

[proud pelican]

How important is comp on bosses like oab and mugzee? My guild doesn’t ask ppl to reroll and we have like 3 rets wondering how much harder it’s going to be vs having a better comp

[subtle tundra]

3 rets isnt the end of the world if you have the required specs

"required"

[proud pelican]

What is required? I see a lot of spriests and affs

[subtle tundra]

yes those are required

[proud pelican]

We aren’t there yet so haven’t looked into it super hard

[lethal heart]

spriest is by far best spec for this boss

[proud pelican]

Ye we have one spriest one destro and one aff

[subtle tundra]

you cant kill the boss if you cant kill the adds

[viscid spear]

We have two Prot Paladins.

[proud pelican]

We have 3 rets and a prot pala lol

[plucky canopy]

I don't like the progress of sprocket and Bandit back to back, idk but both of those bosses feel like target dummies.
Both are on the list of most boring bosses to progress

At least for me

[viscid spear]

Our melee are tunneling pieces of shit

[plucky canopy]

I hope mugzee is more fun

[lethal heart]

think if your comp on bandit is real bad aka low amount of sps/boomkjins/warlocks then its maybe justifiable to have a melee or two be in the hit ranged add team

especially with 9% buff coming in next week i think

[midnight scroll]

what poisons to use in bleed build?

[subtle tundra]

it isnt cause you will bait coins

badly

[spice surge]

Idk the comp requirements are less strict the more gear/raidbuffs you get

[spice surge]

The one youve talented into, aka deadly

[lethal heart]

idk honestly what would you rather have shit coin or not kill add

shit coin doest insta wipe you

not killing add wipes you

but ye rough you're right

forgot some baits are mega shit

[proud pelican]

I’ll probably play sub for adds but I’m worried we’re going to take longer than we need to bc no one will reroll

[subtle tundra]

putting the disc priest on shadow and him doing bad damage but still better than a random melee cause its useful damage

[spice surge]

Idk probably not since that spriest will likely die a lot with fires and big hit

[viscid spear]

We have one Boomkin and one SPriest.
Sometimes we have a Warlock but usually not.
Most of our damage comes from us melee.

[subtle tundra]

its mythic idk i have some expectations

SOME

everyone dies

anyways

[viscid spear]

I wonder how hard pugging Mythic is

[lethal heart]

i think past 3 would be rather difficult

[spice surge]

First 2 very doable, rik kinda sketch, stix almost surely not

[spice spire]

First couple is not.

[lethal heart]

stix/sprocket sound unkillable in pug

[spice spire]

Find a group that does carnage first

[viscid spear]

I suppose Rik would be nice for the dagger, but the other gear would be middling.

Doubt using a dinar on the dagger would be feasible

[lethal heart]

also mandatory give 3.26 @subtle tundra

[tall atlas]

Anyone else’s guilds crying about the dinars

[viscid spear]

Mostly about the kill requirements

[tall atlas]

yeah same

its really not that big an issue

the difference is so minor its like 6ilvl

[red schooner]

Raid leader is a bit stressed about potential fallout if people are on the bench on different bosses, especially if we don't do reclears

But it be how it be

[scarlet wyvern]

brew 15 i shroud G20, group is standing afk back then run late , DK pulls with pet and we wipe
Result: "tank give me back lead , kick this dogshit mf rogue" xDDDD

[strange python]

does junkmasters trinket work with shiv or just the herotalent thing?

[red schooner]

Just the hero talent

Not shiv

[viscid spear]

We're not good enough to have that problem

[strange python]

how often do u want to use it

i guess i should add it to plater filters or something so that i see the stacks

[plucky canopy]

Max stacks or end of lingering

But it is always end of lingering in my experience

At least in raid

[red schooner]

Not played about with it myself but I think just once towards the end of each lingering

[plucky canopy]

Never stacked to 30 before next lingering is about to fall off

[red schooner]

Neither are we probably

[native heron]

so with the bleed build. I'm finding myself energy starved. should i not be spamming envenoms between keeping bleeds up?

[red schooner]

Sin in ST is always gonna be energy starved

There's like some tiny ST boost you can get by keeping energy over 150 for sanguine

But like, it's a very small benefit

[native heron]

how about in m+

feel like im doing something wrong.

[viscid spear]

We only just got AotC last week and this week half the group was out for various reasons. I don't know about next week. We're usually content with just getting AotC

[red schooner]

Yeah ST in any build, like on m+ bosses

[spice surge]

In aoe you should have infinite energy

[red schooner]

AoE you shouldn't ever run out of energy

[spice surge]

In st no

[red schooner]

At all

Just keep bleeds up

[red schooner]

Nah you'll be smashing mythic bosses, I believe in you

[native heron]

so just limit the envenoms pretty much?

sorry im a slow learner and just really trying to understand what im doing wrong

[red schooner]

Just make sure you have enough bleeds up to keep your energy going as a priority

[native heron]

okay okay. Tysm!

[dim pendant]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[royal lantern]

keep dots running, use remaining energy and cp on envenom

never let rupture/garrote drop

thats assa

[arctic dust]

just switched from the hybrid build to the bleed build in m+, when coming into boss fights: should CDs (DM, Shiv) be used when ready or is it worth to wait a few seconds to drag them fully into the execute phase below 35% health?

[shy axle]

i mostly wait if the boss is like 40% but thats just feeling from my side

12/13

[spice surge]

90% of the time you should be using cds on cd

[indigo sphinx]

It kind of depends. What comes after the boss? How long is the fight? Are you losing casts to do so?

If its just a few seconds then sure wait till 35%, but generally holding CDs much at all harms your damage more that it helps it.

[arctic dust]

alright, helps - thanks

[viscid spear]

Not with this group I don't think.
I'm not even on the server, it's a very low-class one.

[red schooner]

Nah you got this

[cedar lichen]

I remember there being a program that analyzed your rotation on a specific boss and then told you what you did wrong and where does anyone know what that is?

Im doing way less dps than my actual sim says on raidbots so i feel like there has to be issues im just not sure what they are

[red schooner]

Might be wowanalyser

I think

Unless there's some other tool I'm missing

[limpid lava]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grand trail]

0.7% on mugze

Unluckz

I hate p1 of that boss so much

[red schooner]

Next pull fr fr

[grand trail]

Especially when you suppose to hold dmg for like minute

[scarlet orbit]

Holding dmg is never fun

[spice surge]

Probably not the time to swap right now, but theres a different strat where you dont hold damage now

[coral ibex]

just dont hold 4head

[grand trail]

Yeah

I mean couple of our dps don't hold for sure 😄

We won't change strat since we are this close

We just struggle with that mechanic sequence after last goons

I'm excited for galliwix, yeah easy but look like fun

[coral ibex]

i'd love to kill bandit

getting really sick of the fucking ddos attacks

[jaunty sparrow]

thanks #assassination channel for the advice you gave me, ran my first raid with it last night and know what I've gotta work on thanks to reading this channel and comparing against top parses

[coral ibex]

we've lost multiple raid nights to it this tier

and its always me thats the first person to dc

[grand trail]

I have some random latency issue on Blizzard side, have to turn on vpn to fix it

[plucky canopy]

Is p2 of mugzee at least some kind of fun?

[coral ibex]

nah NA servers have been getting ddos'd legit

[plucky canopy]

Cannot stand a third shit boss in row

[somber sparrow]

still attacks after the race to world first??

[grand trail]

P2 is blast

[coral ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172832306793287730/1365169428764823682/Wow_2w11BUfqR3.jpg?ex=680c549b&is=680b031b&hm=8c0156fe99249c01d3771ce6dfc4be3a8d1cc785b73ca1fa8084e335286b9034&format=webp&width=1037&height=583

this was at 11:30pm last night

[plucky canopy]

Sprocket and Bandit progress just made me wanna go sleep

[coral ibex]

some people were speculating about onlyfangs

[grand trail]

I had fun on every boss so far

[somber sparrow]

oh that's right on hardcore

[grand trail]

Eleem did you kill mugyze

[plucky canopy]

Idk, maybe we are just slow this Tier, dropped like 200wr I think atm

Not sure why, but we are like giga slow

[coral ibex]

i dont really care about wr i just want to kill the bosses in a timely fashion

[grand trail]

Same

[coral ibex]

nothing tilts me more than spending an hour wasting time and then calling the raid bc of dc's

[royal lantern]

0 melee mechanics fights are always weird

[plucky canopy]

Idc either, but I don't like if it feels like an enternity to wait

[coral ibex]

stix prog went too long but idk how you get people to do the ball rolling correctly without threatening to bench them

and my guild can't bench people, we dont have the roster for it

[plucky canopy]

Idk sprocket and Bandit are like so easy to learn (at least as meele)

Was on vacation for first three bosses, so I just have sprocket and Bandit, and both are not on my top list of fun bosses for sure

[royal lantern]

bandit as melee:

hit boss

stand on the add to bait the coins on top of it

OPTIONAL: if you are the gu, that puts the coins in, wait until the last 0,5seconds, get a WA for that timer

[plucky canopy]

Prob a big reason why

[royal lantern]

you just hit boss

nothing else

[shy axle]

do you hard switch on the shells on stix? I guess it is not worth it except sniping rupture and you cleave from the boss (?)

[royal lantern]

hit boss, stand on add, dint get hit by rolling coins

[cedar lichen]

Thank you

[coral ibex]

never swap as assa except to rupture snipe

[royal lantern]

i mean, thats a very heavy "depeends on the Situation" thing

like, we had moments where 3 important ranged dps for shells got Balls

[shy axle]

makes sense, yeah

[royal lantern]

so i did send a DN envenom on one that was far outside

[shy axle]

thank you

[royal lantern]

but normaly you should be fine being afk hitting the boss and cleaving stuff near it

[shy axle]

just got benched after like 8 trys because too much boss dmg, too little shell swaps, because "boss dmg is irelevant, trashballs do the most of it"

sadge

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha

but also

why tell that a melee dps

• you want some melee that cleave from the boss that kill all the small stuff that runs to the boss

[shy axle]

idk tbh

[coral ibex]

i think thats cooked

you can't kill the boss without doing the balls correctly

[indigo sphinx]

Average WR2k raid leader

[coral ibex]

swapping people out on stix is griefing

people need practice on balls

[royal lantern]

tbf, if its day1, you still try to figure out the comp

[shy axle]

true, i just said chill guys, lets learn and practice

its day 3 now, just wanted to hear an opinion because i got blasted with negative comments that its deserved

[royal lantern]

nah, hes cooked

like

if you struggle with shell dmg

you dont look at the rogue lol

[coral ibex]

this is what our add damage breakdown looks like btw

on stix

where is your boomie

[shy axle]

all adds or shells?

[royal lantern]

tbf

the important dmg is shells above 80%

[coral ibex]

just bombshells

what are boomie and spriest doing

[royal lantern]

giga based warrior chad

#3

nothing beats our ret paladin having the rare moment where a ret paladin played good

"oh shit both boomkins on bombs"->the guy fucking sprints across the arena with wings and does shells almost solo

[coral ibex]

this is from our reclear this week, just bombshell damage

[grand trail]

We spent like half raid on 3rd stix recleqr so we are extending since:D

[coral ibex]

if ur boomie isn't mogging the raid on add damage meters then ur getting griefed

[grand trail]

It's fucked boss

[coral ibex]

literally

stix adds are just a boomkin check

ours is literally competing with the tanks for boss damage bc it doesnt matter

[royal lantern]

its a Boss where everyone has responsability

which are always the hardest fights, cus now you cant offload mechanics on your good guys, and instead wait for the worse players to actually figure stuff out for once

[golden loom]

atleast I was 2nd on boss dam

[coral ibex]

erm you mean 3rd

[grand trail]

I mean rolling after nerf is fine

Before nerf it was sometimes bad, when you get sector full of fire:D

[coral ibex]

i give stix the long cocking every week

[golden loom]

I've only killed it twice, first prog kill and then I died on reclear 🙂

[spice surge]

Another fun thing is that the timer for that stops working when all the adds are dead

The buff dissapears that is, so you need a WA that starts a timer instead of one that tracks the buff

[coral ibex]

hm that might explain some of our feeding issues

[golden loom]

meow meow meow

[coral ibex]

i wont get to kill the bosses again until after CE

we're 100% extending next week

[royal lantern]

we extend now

[golden loom]

we already extended this week

[royal lantern]

im Happy

fuck reclears

reclears on 2day raiding sucks

[coral ibex]

fuck that man im here to kill bosses not spend 12 hours a week progging 1

[royal lantern]

no prog

[coral ibex]

i hate extending

[grand trail]

We extend for couple weeks now

It's fine

Not so fine if you are bench

[golden loom]

only thing I care about in reclear is parsing anyways and as 2 day guild its not worth spending 1 of the days just re-clearing

[coral ibex]

the amount of raiders who only like to prog and dont like to kill bosses more than once really astounds me

[grand trail]

@spice surge did you kill mugzee

[coral ibex]

i could not be more the opposite

[spice surge]

Yes, we killed gally on the 14th

[golden loom]

yeah I do wanna reclear stuff also but its also not time efficient to wipe on stix 20 times to reclear it

[royal lantern]

yep

[grand trail]

Nice flex

[coral ibex]

i guess i just dont get how we waste so much time on reclear every week

[grand trail]

Do you think I send on 40% now or hold after charge for execute?

[spice surge]

I mean the 40-35% should go down very very quick with BL anyway

If you hold until after the charge you'll lose the second use most likely

[grand trail]

Yeah i thouh so

Depends how clear we are:D

[spice surge]

Not really no

Because the boss explodes and kills you

[grand trail]

I usually get second cds around when we do last soaks

Before move with mines

[spice surge]

Ye so you couldnt delay the previous DM 30+ seconds

[grand trail]

I mean boss is like 5% at that point

That's where we wipe every time almost

Did you play assa on galliwix

[wet roost]

hello guys does anyone have any tips for raiding as an assasination rogue? recently switched from sub to assa in M+ but havent really raided with it yet

In raid we dont send dry shivs right?

but always 2 with kingsbane

[royal lantern]

keep bleeds up, dump cp into envenom, use cds on cd

[wet roost]

Do you try to stack up on energy before going into kingsbane and deathmark window?

or is it just how the spec plays out in single target - kinda energy deprived

[royal lantern]

can wait a couple seconds for kingsbane

[royal lantern]

yeha

in dungeons its more extreme, but you run out at points in raid aswell

[runic terrace]

We do send dry shives - every other is a normal one with 2 shives while in KB-Window

[fresh kelp]

is the execute timing different with the 4m push strat?

[runic terrace]

Or you play Fatebound (only sprocket), then no dry shives

[fresh kelp]

i waited for 35% to send dm (he was mid charges) and still got my 2nd dm + lingering darkness DN off before hard enrage

[wet roost]

oh really? i thought its like this: Deathmark 2x shiv with kingsbane - then 1 minute later u got 2 shivs again for kingsbane - 1 minute later u got 2 shivs again for deathmark and kingsbane

[royal lantern]

dry shiv is good

[wet roost]

atleast i do more dmg now than playing sub both in m+ and raid

[royal lantern]

cus the kingsbane without deathmark is kinda meh in dmg

[wet roost]

AHhhhh oke i never played kingsbane so didnt know.

[royal lantern]

sub commited the worst crime in raiding

being good on raid opening

[runic terrace]

It's 2, then 1, then 2 again etc.

[golden loom]

fury warrior s1 mistake

[wet roost]

haahaha yep

Oke got it thanks guys

appreciate the help

[shadow lark]

So i'm new to rogue and am working on creating WA for myself. What buffs are worth tracking?

[spice surge]

Bleeds, shiv, kb, deathmark

[coral ibex]

new like leveling or new like max level alt

[vague raft]

Envenom buff and DSM wouldn’t be bad as well

[shadow lark]

New like leveling. going to hit 80 today

Never played a rogue before. The only melee I haven't played

[sudden brook]

Garrote, rupture, envenom, shiv, KB, vanish, deathstalkers mark/darkest night, deathmark

and then for M+ u'll want a carnage tracker if u end up playing that build

[shadow lark]

I do have carnage. I assume its beneficial to track Subterfuge as well?

[sudden brook]

slice and dice technically

Improved garrote and carnage have the same timer

So no need to track both

[shadow lark]

Plater is taking care of bleeds/poisons

[spice surge]

Snd kinda unnecessary imo, ye subterfuge is not really needed as carnage covers it

Clean your plater to not have everything

No need to have duplicated ruptures, deadly poison or amplifying

[fresh kelp]

do you need to track envenom nowadays?

its mostly just spam at this point right

[sudden brook]

Not at this moment in time

[shadow lark]

yeah thats on my to do list lol. I noticed the amount of debuffs I put on was absurd

[sudden brook]

But its mattered in the past before

[spice surge]

Not really, but its not unfeasible that we would in the future

[spice spire]

Idk ttk feels like it kind of covers it

By itself

[fresh kelp]

I usually modify mine as things change but that could just be preference

[sudden brook]

well what if we end up dropping TTK because of some tier set blah blah blah

[shadow lark]

Sounds like a future rogue problem

[sudden brook]

Oh wait

No it matters rn

[spice spire]

Ttk+DS so strong idk if that’ll ever be the case unless we go back to full corruption levels of haste

[sudden brook]

U guys are noobs

U need envenom buffed before u press KB

[spice spire]

Brother

[shadow lark]

I thought retail doesn't have snapshotting?

[vague raft]

Kinda matters to make sure you have it up before pressing KB

[spice spire]

That’s akin to spamming atm

[spice spire]

It does on very few things

CT is one of them

[fresh kelp]

ya but are you really letting it fall

[spice surge]

I mean we could end up needing to make sure we always have 2 stacks, but who knows

[golden loom]

all u need 😎

[sudden brook]

When you have to pool 5+ seconds for KB to have 150 energy, yes

[vague raft]

Absolutely.

[coral ibex]

envenom drops all the time rn bc you dont play around the uptime

[shadow lark]

Yeah i'm doing soemthing like that, except cleaner for myself lol

[sudden brook]

But u need envenom up for KB

so yeah

track envenom

[golden loom]

tbh if u dont have it up its a rotational error

[spice spire]

Sorry king I’m a warrior main that tier

[sudden brook]

no?

[vague raft]

That’s just not true lmao

[sudden brook]

It's not a rotational error to pool before KB

[spice spire]

You are supposed to pool into kb

[sudden brook]

and when u pool, u aren't pressing envenom

when u arent pressing envenom u dont have buff

its shrimple

[hidden bay]

pool

[coral ibex]

but that pooling sequence results in having the buff before you press kb

[spice surge]

Hope your colussus smash gets parried

[golden loom]

just pool on coombo points?

and press envenom

idk

[sudden brook]

what

[spice spire]

Dog why would you ever say that

[spice surge]

My bad, too far

[shadow lark]

That is pretty low

[spice spire]

Hit max combo, pool, envenom, kb

[coral ibex]

when you pool aren't you supposed to pool at 5+cp

[fresh kelp]

I thought you were only pooling for 2-3 seconds

[sudden brook]

5 seconds

[coral ibex]

so you send envenom -> shiv -> kb

[sudden brook]

But sometimes you are overflowing in energy and u dont need to actually pool

Like, tracking envenom is only upside

cuz u dont NEED to go Envenom > KB

[shadow lark]

I didn't even know i was supposed to pool until now lol

[sudden brook]

If envenom has like 4 seconds on buff u can just go and ull get another

[hidden bay]

pool

[spice surge]

Idk sin has a bunch of shit that feels like its a minmax thing to do but sims think it doesnt matter

[sudden brook]

wdym

[vague raft]

Just get lucky gg

Proc Blindside is your min/max honestly

[coral ibex]

uncentered bottom row is tilting me off the planet

please fix

[spice surge]

Anything related to tea and stuff, pooling a few seconds for kb is an exception

[hidden bay]

why do you track kingsbane twice

giga gay

[golden loom]

I look at bar

and wa for CD

[sudden brook]

Yeah KB and sanguine blades is the only actual strict pooling condition

Only other one I pool for is setting up for DSM

Like if DSM is 1 stack, rupture is 13 seconds and I'm at 30 energy, I'm not sending envenom here, I'm pooling to rupture instead

But these scenarios are so niche and so minor that I doubt they even appear on sims

[coral ibex]

its these tiny scenarios that keep me interested playing sin in raid

[spice surge]

Ye

[coral ibex]

its so minor but it feels good to know you avoiding dropping a dot with proper foresight

[sudden brook]

thats why I updated my weakaura package

[coral ibex]

oh does it call that out for you?

ive just been relying on my attention

[sudden brook]

It just highlights 1 stack of DSM

[fresh kelp]

holding DN for 2-3s for shiv since lingering is only 15s left

[spice surge]

Can always vanish to apply dsm if youre not playing ma

But ye stuff like this feels like big brain moves but theyre so rare that it doesnt change much in sims

[golden loom]

Would be cool if vanish ambush consumed a stack

[fresh kelp]

also sometimes DN would be last global of dm

been wondering if holding it for 1s to get it in lingering instead is a gain

[spice surge]

You mean if the mark bug was fixed?

[golden loom]

[fresh kelp]

I assume no if you're playing hoc/maghar since the stat boosts will run out but

[spice surge]

Well no because during dm you have double amplifying

[coral ibex]

oh neat, no logic just a glow

[sudden brook]

yer

[fresh kelp]

makes sense

[sudden brook]

The only thing to really check mentally is rupture and garrote so

I can do that in my head

[coral ibex]

right

[spice surge]

Freakozoid frfr

[spice spire]

Multi spec freakazoid

[coral ibex]

man i was all excited to test out the vanish weakaura for the bootys on bandit and then raid got chached by the ddos attacks

[golden loom]

can u send that

[coral ibex]

[spice surge]

Unluigi

[golden loom]

I had some pulls were I vanished just to get fixated anyways

[coral ibex]

yea i got it from eleem

if thats cool for me to share

[spice surge]

Ye that can happen

[coral ibex]

there are 2 sets of fixate casts

early and late

[spice surge]

Ye you can share, i just copied and modified another WA

[golden loom]

yeah I guess thats true also

[coral ibex]

so you can vanish the early set and then just get selected again

welcome back to rng first balls on stix

[golden loom]

what if we just stay in stealth

[coral ibex]

hmmm maybe

sounds kinda cooked tho

[golden loom]

very cooked yes

[coral ibex]

since you lose uptime on the adds

minor

[golden loom]

if you are fixated tho, u gotta run right

or is there some counterplay where you can still hit boss

[coral ibex]

i guess you could be cleaving off the boss depending on the positioning

[digital void]

those any info exists on the new item from the events are for starting rogues, like the trinket or the dagger

[coral ibex]

depends on how the boss is dragged

if the boss is kept ahead of the adds in theory you dont have to run

[golden loom]

yeah im just thinking that boss is moving kinda weirdly during the drag, the adds are kinda fast, and if you get touched kabooom

so its probably never worth the risk

[coral ibex]

yea i'm not risking it in prog

ill vanish it but if i get the 2nd set

ill just eat it

the downtime, that is

not the fixate

[golden loom]

Eat the nuclear bomb based

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/chewing-gif-24677337

[royal lantern]

based and Godzilla pilled

[dull pulsar]

what's the best macro to shadowmeld stealth guys ?

[clever sparrow]

guys i got a weird question on opening

when to eat tea?

i mean

[dull pulsar]

bind it to shiv easiest way

[clever sparrow]

should i ambush -> mutilate -> tea

then

when to shiv?

doesnt mastery increase my bleed dmg?

[spice spire]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[spice spire]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[spice spire]

Okay thanks moroes

[clever sparrow]

so if i use the tea before i put my bleeds

doesnt my bleeds gets impowered?

[red schooner]

Ambush -> Muti to 5cp -> Rupture -> Muti to 5 -> envenom -> Deathmark -> Shiv/tea -> Kingsbane -> Normal muti envenom rotation -> Shiv when it runs out

[red schooner]

nah, we don't snapshot

[clever sparrow]

what about aoe?

[dull pulsar]

!shadowmeld

[red schooner]

In AoE m+ build, ambush garrotte rupture rupture garrotte

Then go from there

[clever sparrow]

ambus -> gar -> gar -> rupture -> rupture -> muti to 5 -> envenom?

after envenom tea?

[red schooner]

You're overthinking the tea thing.

Just use at least one tea in your initial window, it'll be back up for your next window.

Better yet, macro tea to shiv

forget tea exists.

Don't play around it

[clever sparrow]

its 12% DMG!

😦

also one more thing

[red schooner]

Its legitimately better to not play around tea, bind it to shiv

[clever sparrow]

should envenom when i still have the buff?

[red schooner]

Yeah

[clever sparrow]

or wait until it reach 1 sec

[red schooner]

We have no real conditions for pooling, with the double stack talent we shouldn't really run out of envenom uptime

Just send it

Well, there's one condition to pool before kingsbane but even then that's minor

[clever sparrow]

dont have talent

playing hybrid

no kingsbane thing

[red schooner]

Hybrid is the one with kingsbane, do you mean bleed build?

[wet roost]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[red schooner]

But yeah, just keep bleeds up, hit envenom whenever it'll be fine.

This spec is fairly simple, don't overthink it

[viscid spear]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[true nexus]

if my stats weights are pretty much perfect ish what flask do i go for keys

alchemical?

[red schooner]

Go alchemical, ignore stat weights

Don't go by stat weights and sim yourself

[true nexus]

what i meant like was stat distribution

[red schooner]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[true nexus]

what abt weightstone or oil

[red schooner]

But yes alchemical outside of maybe some niche situation where alchemical has a chance to maybe throw a signet trinket off balance, and even then... probably alchemical

[red schooner]

Ironclaw whetstone

[vague raft]

Bro, this scenario happens every now and then with bad RNG on Mug’zee. What do you do when you have same conditions and KB comes up in 8s and you have to send insta because of fight timer?

You’re either dropping rupture or sending KB without Envenom up at start

Or sending a rupture with DN up

[sudden brook]

I would just rupture way earlier than pandemic tbqh

Might be troll but

Hurts to delay the KB past 1:12

You just miss the goon dmg

[vague raft]

Yeah but so hard to gauge if you’re going to be starved or not to send it at like 2 stacks of DSM

[keen spruce]

as soon as I see shit like that developing you just sack a rupture and get the timing sorted early

[runic hinge]

just proc blindside a bunch! it's easy!

[vague raft]

But yeah the play is definitely just say fuck it and send with like 18s left on rupture

[runic hinge]

Never starved

[sudden brook]

Or u can start pooling way earlier

Theres obviously no sim gain for a lot of pooling conditions

[keen spruce]

yeah pooling in hyper specific spots like that is basically sim neutral anyways

[sudden brook]

Because a lot of the scenarios are just so niche and minor and usually not that much

Its likely neutral because the scenarios are so niche that they don't pop up enough to even register a difference

[vague raft]

When would you start pooling though?

You gotta get an Envenom and rupture off before KB somehow

[sudden brook]

Idk how to even begin to articulate what the scenario specifically would be

U just gotta feel that shit out

yk

[vague raft]

Yeah

[sudden brook]

Dont overcap energy, don't drop rupture during DN

Just gotta hit the thug shaker, figure it out

[golden mango]

hey just a question, i see some people use kingsbane in mplus (zerocool) but icy veins build doesnt include kingsbane, is there different builds for specific dungeons or does he just use kingsbane for fun

new to assa

[sudden brook]

A lot of the high end sin players don't like the bleed build as it's ST is really shit

So they end up going for a less aoe, more st build with KB

[golden mango]

i see

and he uses cp on envenom instead of crimson whatever

just a diff build completely?

[sudden brook]

well you still CT

[true nexus]

deez nuts?

[late niche]

[sudden brook]

Unless you just don't like the bleed build because of how it plays, I wouldn't pay attention to the "pushing" build that they use

The bleed build is so insane in anything outside of the bleeding edge push keys

like even in 14s it's insanely strong

[golden mango]

true

thanks for the answer

is there anyone you recommend to watch to learn bleed build then

[golden loom]

the 1 group with a rogue in MDI also played bleed in +19 priory so

just play it

[sudden brook]

Yeah bleed build is also good in higher keys. It's just ppl like zeroes dont like it

[golden mango]

im still tryna learn how tf the garrotes and ruptures spread lol

[half tartan]

Is assassin going to indirectly get worse as people get Best in Slots and Jasters(the classes that scale crazy with those)

[golden mango]

so you have 12 seconds to spread as much ruptures and garrotes as you can

after breaking stealth

[runic hinge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[golden mango]

oh

[runic hinge]

you want 5 ruptures and basically imp garrote on every target

[golden mango]

wtf is imp

[runic hinge]

improved

[golden mango]

o lol

[winged sun]

yea

dk and mage are scaling like crazy rn

idk about boomie prob the same

[golden mango]

do you ever use envenom in aoe

just to activate slice and dice maybe

[inland escarp]

I’d read the guide a bit more

[cedar lichen]

Anyone know why this fight would be a green parse for me when the rotation analyzer looks pretty good?

[winged sun]

try reading a guide cuh

[golden mango]

fuck a guide man

[sudden brook]

Ya just read the wowhead guide

Goes in a lot of details

[golden mango]

i need human interaction

[sudden brook]

What on earth is that

[winged sun]

nobody's gonna teach u sin from scratch

[cedar lichen]

Everything for the fight looks fine my rotation seems good

Yet i green parse

[inland escarp]

“Fuck a guide, spoonfeed me”

[sudden brook]

Is that wow analyzer

[inland escarp]

[golden mango]

😛 😛 😛 😛

[pliant remnant]

No, you only use Poisoned Knife, in both ST and AoE

You don't press any other buttons

[sudden brook]

Is that the website that when you put a log in, sends you to a screen that says THE SPEC IS NOT SUPPORTED FOR THE CURRENT PATCH

[cedar lichen]

Yes it is

[winged sun]

this is definitely the worst patch we've ever had

[cedar lichen]

Yeah thats it but the basics of the rotation are still there like uptime on dots, cooldown usage, and energy use

[spice spire]

This is mostly old stuff

[coral ibex]

ok but how slow was the kill, did you have good crit luck, did you get max uptime

etc etc

[spice spire]

It’s also a new partition

[cedar lichen]

It was vexie mythic and 5:30 kill

[spice spire]

You’re not parsing against 630s anymore

[coral ibex]

i think 5:30 is a bit slow no?

if you are trying to parse

[spice spire]

Ye

[coral ibex]

that's missing the 2 phase iirc

you need to kill the boss during/at the end of an amp phase

ideally right after your cds finish

[cedar lichen]

So is 1.8m dps at 651 ilvl reasonable

[coral ibex]

you're 651?

[cedar lichen]

Yeah

[coral ibex]

you're not getting good parses period

literally 20 ilvl behind me

[golden mango]

cant you check i lvl parses

[coral ibex]

you can't really expect to get a good parse until you're at least in the 668+ range i think

[sudden brook]

extremely low sample size

[hearty reef]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[half tartan]

Assassin AND sub scalling like shit makes me not want to play this game, getting dusted on sprocketmonger is no fun

[lean plover]

I never really gave a thought to what makes classes scale so much better than others

[coral ibex]

why does poor single target performance mean the spec has "bad scaling"

[sudden brook]

I mean if rogue starts to u nderperform in raid it'll get buffed

That's how the game has worked for years

[coral ibex]

if we look at the extremely well respected measurement of "overall damage in raid"

assa is top third

and competing for #1 damage to bosses

[sudden brook]

Yeah I mean

Sin is good

It's valuable in raid past "Wcl stats"

If u only care about sprocket damage yeah, go ahead and reroll or something

This is the most cleave a raid has ever been

And sin is good at that

It's good at doing amazing boss damage, while also cleaving passively to shit

But idk, if your details/wcl number is too low to have fun, go ahead and reroll, it's so easy to gear this tier

[coral ibex]

now that stix is removed from asp, the ball damage should show up on details again

me want big bar

[runic hinge]

rerolling might be the easiest its ever been tbh

[jaunty sparrow]

Was surprised rerolling from sub, recrafting my secondaries was only like a 2% DPS boost

And I had practically no haste

[runic hinge]

assa just likes all stats

[golden mango]

any1 have this tracker

for bleeds

[vivid mulch]

ok lock buff insane?

[lean plover]

can ask zerocool for his wa in his stream, if thats him

[vivid mulch]

peeps doing 50 - 55m dps in brew first pull

btw anyone has a good KB WA tracker?

[royal lantern]

welcome to assa

when we say "stats dont matter" we mean it

you can be fully build for outlaw or sub and play assa 100% fine, the only thing you need is trinkets really

[distant fog]

is there a WA for lingering darkness?

[sudden brook]

Of course

[wary light]

It's in most of these WA packs here yeah

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[wary light]

Or at least, it's certainly in Whispyr's

[distant fog]

not pack separate wa for it

[wary light]

Sure, yoink the WA specific to lingering from one of those packs

[tall atlas]

if you go to outlaw and do !wa you can get zacs pack and its popega

[silver wharf]

Does anyone know how to add more debuffs? I only see 4 debuffs in the plater.

[distant fog]

well luxthos didnt had lingering darkness

[hollow river]

Buff settings

Can add or remove things from the tracked/blacklist sections

There’s also settings for how many buffs show in total and their positions etc

[silver wharf]

I want you to show me 6 debuffs

I've already removed some things I don't want tracked. But where do I increase them so I get 6 debuffs?

[coral ibex]

click the tab for buffs

and not buff tracking

[silver wharf]

I already put 6 but I can only see 4

[hollow river]

might need to reload or something

[dapper cradle]

bro wtf

that's the most hi def holy skull I've ever seen

fuck idk where you got it

[silver wharf]

y

It only tracks 4 things. I want it to track 6 things.

[gloomy heart]

cartoon numbers

[silver wharf]

haha y

[coral ibex]

isnt it the same skull

[hollow river]

dunno what to tell you

[silver wharf]

that's what I want

[small cairn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[silver wharf]

How can I have it like this?

[coral ibex]

what are the 4th and 5th debuffs you are expecting to see there

[fleet pagoda]

do you have, like, everything blacklisted or not added to the debuffs to Track list?

[coral ibex]

are you sure you just haven't filtered everything else off

it would be easier if you told us that you expected x or y debuff to appear

[humble cradle]

Does rogue bring any group buff or unique debuff in m+ setting?

[coral ibex]

sap, shroud, atrophic poison

[humble cradle]

But nothing akin to mark of wild or sky fury?

[coral ibex]

no

[runic hinge]

where do i get cartoon numbers text

pls

i need it

[jaunty sparrow]

couple of dumb questions. supercharged points. make sure these are spent on envenoms, or is it okay to drop one on rupture?

[coral ibex]

dont think about supercharger combo points

literally ignore them

[jaunty sparrow]

easy enough then

[coral ibex]

just follow normal cp finisher rules

[silver wharf]

haha blizard

[jaunty sparrow]

second dumb question, and I promise this one is really dumb. spreading ruptures in m+. do I want to rupture the deathstalker's mark target always so it consumes the mark, and let them spread to other targets that way (basically wasting one of the targets), or do I ignore the mark and rupture on a non-ruptured target

[coral ibex]

i'm not sure that matters, since spreading ruptures with carnage (what i assume you mean) off the main target will get to to DN faster and you either have to consume it or ignore it while you spread more bleeds

or you mouseover spread bleeds not using the main target

and your next DN is delayed

[jaunty sparrow]

yeah carnage is what I meant. okay. thanks.

[coral ibex]

so i think it depends on how many bleeds you have out vs cycling DN more times

[jaunty sparrow]

makes sense that it's probably situational

[coral ibex]

i think bleed build cares more about spreading bleeds in this scenario

like usually slowing your mark/dn cycle is bad but rupture is one of your largest damage contributors

[golden mango]

can i make a mouseover and targetted macro for rupture and garrote or do i have to use 2 seperate keybinds

[coral ibex]

i just have all of my keybinds set to mouseover automatically if a valid target

and keep track of my mouse in combat

[golden mango]

so you just always mouseover

[woeful lantern]

Hi! New rogue player looking to become efficient at assassination. I am looking for guides that will help me go from a beginner to advanced and maybe do some light mythic raiding without being a total noob, any suggestions?

Also how accurate is wowhead for builds, i noticed the builds there differ from things I see in logs and on archon

[coral ibex]

i have regular binds and if i mouseover a valid target in range it sends the ability on that target instead

[golden mango]

oh

do u mind sharing that macro

[coral ibex]

its just a default ui setting

set your mouseover key to "none"

[runic hinge]

cant be

[clever sparrow]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[winged sun]

cinder +17

abit of a messy run could've been easily above 6m

[clever sparrow]

weird part is its not working for me

should i hover on hp bar

or the target it self

[coral ibex]

uhhh idk i usually go for the nameplate

[earnest marsh]

do you use bleed build?

[clever sparrow]

kk ty

[jaunty sparrow]

it's pretty simple, just /cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] [] Rupture

[shadow lark]

the WAs are coming along:

[clever sparrow]

may i ask whats the bar in their hp bar?

the white bar

on 30% i guess

[coral ibex]

execute marker

[jaunty sparrow]

execute

[clever sparrow]

never understand it

it doesnt do anything

[coral ibex]

well its a plater profile for all specs

[clever sparrow]

i have it already

i just dont know what it does

[jaunty sparrow]

it's a little questionable to have it, but it doesn't really hurt because it's not blocking any information so

[coral ibex]

[jaunty sparrow]

it tells you when their hp is > 30% or not

[clever sparrow]

should i even care about iT?

[shadow lark]

Classes like warrior have Execute

[clever sparrow]

dude im a fking rogue

[jaunty sparrow]

then move it to wherever assassination's execute is

[shadow lark]

You asked what it was

[jaunty sparrow]

or remove it

[balmy condor]

Rogue has execute too

?

[jaunty sparrow]

but that's what it is

[clever sparrow]

YEES!

[buoyant herald]

Classes like rogue have an execute

[golden mango]

works perfectly ty

[clever sparrow]

what talent for top?

[royal lantern]

what is a rogue

[clever sparrow]

we dont have big pulls there

[balmy condor]

Same shit

[clever sparrow]

the girl in cyberpunk i guess

[jaunty sparrow]

np. I like using mouseover macros over changing the settings universally myself but your tastes may vary!