#assassination

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static glacier
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For m+ the dm sequence isn’t make or break either tbh with bleed build

royal lantern
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if they ran it in a bad way, they cant complain about it lol

static glacier
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But ye like 95% of the time you sent with kb

subtle tundra
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very rarely and even when it was worth, it was debateable

static glacier
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Say you wanted to dance before kb by like 4-5 globals

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Macro didn’t let you do that

subtle tundra
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well it wouldnt prevent you pressing shadow dance would it

static glacier
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Ye, and that’s what I meant by separate usage

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I still had kb + dance macro on another bind

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Talking about past gameplay

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I swear I’m going to be cooked for like a week if they remove dn

subtle tundra
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they better remove it

static glacier
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I think the cadence of having stronger finishers is good

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the way that its mark binding and demands 7 could be looked at

runic hinge
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Maybe they should bring back dance

golden loom
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outlaw and assa having an iconic sub ability seems weird

amber brook
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does this 'dance' work like the sub one?

golden loom
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just like arcane and fire mage having ice block is weird

static glacier
amber brook
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Thats interesting

static glacier
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we had a comfier time getting access to ic

runic hinge
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With snapshotting!

static glacier
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yeah

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nightstalker buffed rup / kb by 15%

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can't remember if it worked on gar

balmy condor
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worked on everything

static glacier
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im happy with sin as it is, if I could get one request it would be to bake in iron wire / look at our defensives again

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we're notably squishier than sub and OL

runic hinge
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Think about all our leech!

static glacier
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😔

amber brook
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we had baked in IW?

balmy condor
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used to be baked into subterfuge

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which is what improved garrote used to be

amber brook
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Thats sounds hella overloaded

balmy condor
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basically subterfuge split into improved garrote and iron wire

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used to be 3 seconds

amber brook
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dam

static glacier
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it's a choice vs significant dps nodes

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a feelsbad choice tbh

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blizz themselves admitted long ago that they'd pit utility vs utility and dps vs dps when it came to mutually exclusive choices

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putting a utility node vs dps doesn't sit right with that line of thinking

buoyant herald
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it's not like they're a choice node, it's choice in pathing

static glacier
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it mightaswell be a choice node

buoyant herald
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i think it's actually one of the better choices between dps and powerful utility

static glacier
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real talk

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the players never wanted meaningful choice

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atleast not like this

buoyant herald
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lol i won't disagree with you there

static glacier
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and this is the most meaningful of choices tbh

buoyant herald
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thats what i mean

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like

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weak or super niche utility ehhh who cares

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dps nodes even for 0.1

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%

static glacier
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issue is this is normally a trade off between sanguine blades or ma

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etc

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these aren't weak nodes in m+

buoyant herald
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its either MA or bonespike

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sanguine blades isn't really an option

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i think too strong

static glacier
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we used to drop it last season

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for iw

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that was with hybrid build before they started juicing bleeds

buoyant herald
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bleed build wasn't super popular last season though so

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mmm

golden loom
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idk I just drop MA for IW if I want it

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and just crit anyways

buoyant herald
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idk i think the whole "dps nodes vs utility nodes" convo is good to have but this example is like

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one of the better utility options

static glacier
buoyant herald
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that increased SB strenth tho so last season more of a drop candidate than now

static glacier
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ye

buoyant herald
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but you also don't need IW as much this season so it's weaker seeming

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"need"

static glacier
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it was never needed

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the issue is

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I still maintain for timing keys it matters more than dps

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atleast for the majority of us

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I cant imagine failing a 14 or 15 on a tiny bit of dps

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its usually missed kicks or tank death etc

golden loom
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isnt that interesting tho

buoyant herald
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yeah but like...someone missing kicks isn't your fault for not taking IW

static glacier
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and the silence gathering mobs easily leads to a dps increase

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just not neccesarily your own

royal lantern
golden loom
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like the issue I think is that other specs dont have this

buoyant herald
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are you always gonna have a vanish charge to save the day?

static glacier
static glacier
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OL still has perma sprint

buoyant herald
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most ethical sin rogue here

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if it's pull-enabling then yeah sure it's a no brainer

static glacier
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oh also taking a utility node over dps when we're approaching tank damage levels of boss st

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idk what to say

indigo sphinx
buoyant herald
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gotta make up the damage somewhere

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but like...you're not taking imp wound poison just in case IPA has an ooze hit him

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but if your group is monkeys then it's big value

static glacier
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admittedly I've dropped iw this season too bc no one expects you to have it + I played bleed build from day 1

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and it pays a lot more to take iw than hybrid

golden loom
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what

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bleed can take IW at a smaller loss

static glacier
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Im fairly sure it's the reverse

indigo sphinx
static glacier
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that's true

golden loom
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I mean what does MA really do for bleed

lethal python
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do we have a mastery cap?

static glacier
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bro what?

golden loom
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compared to hybrid

static glacier
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bro

golden loom
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compared to hybrid

static glacier
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ffs man

buoyant herald
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not sure that's the right way of thinking but

static glacier
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HYBRIDS DMG COMES FROM GUARANTEED CRIT ENV CRITTING

indigo sphinx
static glacier
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ma does nothing

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for that

golden loom
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what

static glacier
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smh

balmy condor
static glacier
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the more of ur dmg that comes from dn

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the less value crit has

buoyant herald
static glacier
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bc its guaranteed to crit

balmy condor
static glacier
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while more of bleed's dmg comes from non guaranteed crit sources

buoyant herald
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silly question

golden loom
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okay but you also have KB spattering during MA

static glacier
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I hope that makes sense

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and bleed's bleeds be bleedin

golden loom
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fine ill jump into the simulator

static glacier
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bless your soul

buoyant herald
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i don't think the outcome of any of these sims is gonna make me consider taking IW for my next key

fringe musk
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Guys, I've been thinking about the playstyle I should be doing on 3rd boss on myth, namely on riki rik and caustic splatter, no clue how should I operate with it and if I should position myself better or smth, do I need to send wow analyzer from a fight? Asking cause I perform poorly and I want to do better

static glacier
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the debate isnt to take or not take iw

prisma monolithBOT
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Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

  • Not your problem.
  • Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
  • If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
  • Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
    With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
  • Swap to Subtletly.
static glacier
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it's which build pays more to take it

buoyant herald
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maybe if i was playing with 3 priests in my group

balmy condor
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idk what they're yapping about really I tuned it out but I assume it's just dick measuring about who's correct regarding some shit that doesn't matter

buoyant herald
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im just trying to get us back on track me you guys are out here going up the garden path like crazy

static glacier
fringe musk
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So this fight is purely dependable on luck and pos of barrels?

static glacier
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THERE WE GO

tight condor
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Do we still care about the envenom buff? Or was that only there because of last tier set?

buoyant herald
static glacier
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@golden loom got the sim tc nerd to answer you

balmy condor
golden loom
golden loom
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wat

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am I having a stroke

static glacier
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were we

tight condor
static glacier
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saying the same thing

golden loom
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???????????????????????

static glacier
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aghahahaha

balmy condor
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y'all some freaks for that

static glacier
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ngl this was special behaviour

buoyant herald
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yeah one of you were like "NUH UH HYBRID LOSES MORE" and the other "NUH UH BLEED LOSES LESS"

static glacier
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ahahahha

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im dying irl laughing

buoyant herald
golden loom
static glacier
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then what I proceed to say was

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supporting that

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ngl

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I blame you at phrasing it like that, english second lang and all for me :^) (this is an excuse)

balmy condor
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also reading back why are we talking about MA

static glacier
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its just one of the things that coulda been dropped or was last season anyway

balmy condor
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you drop lightweight shiv or bone spike on bleed, not MA

static glacier
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before the subt

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changes

balmy condor
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I mean sure

golden loom
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dropping bonespike feels bad

balmy condor
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you'd never drop ma though

static glacier
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ye

buoyant herald
static glacier
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thing I don't get is why @golden loom was making arguments about ma helping kb and asking what it does for bleed

wispy epoch
static glacier
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after saying bleed loses less

wispy epoch
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And you lose nothing single target for it

static glacier
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genuinely sent me

golden loom
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but isnt that just true tho??

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that MA does more for hybrid

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than bleed

static glacier
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wait

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yknow what

static glacier
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I suspect its better for bleed but im unsure

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sims come back yet?

golden loom
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I paused to crash out, sec

static glacier
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respect

fringe musk
static glacier
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but ye kinda

amber brook
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Thats how you do reverb

gray pecan
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Still build bleed is better ?:)

static glacier
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just pray ur tank moves em

amber brook
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but my pug raid leader didnt want to let me cleave

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solo barrel life

gray pecan
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Mm hunter will be better than assa rogue on aoe or st ?

static glacier
amber brook
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i was the only melee doing solo barrels as well

static glacier
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generally mm is better on st

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both in raid and m+

red schooner
amber brook
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Dagger dropped

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pain gone

buoyant herald
clever steeple
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
static glacier
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we have better uncapped aoe, they have strong aoe around burst cds in trueshot andd volley while our aoe is more consistent generally

royal lantern
amber brook
static glacier
golden loom
amber brook
buoyant herald
# royal lantern !richard

bro don't you hit me with the !richard when i give a throwaway comment at the end of 5 mins of back and forth from others 😭

static glacier
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in gain

golden loom
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wait btw is dropping MA -9.5% or wtf is going on in this sim

static glacier
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I suspect in st sims hybrid would gain more from ma while in a sustained aoe sim bleed might

static glacier
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MA is cranked

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btw whats going on with ur weapons

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why aint ur myth track dagger 6/6

golden loom
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cause other stuff was better to upgrade

static glacier
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fr?

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f#

buoyant herald
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the number of people who rip their 2 best trinkets from vault within a couple of weeks never ceases to amaze me

fringe musk
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ALso, one more thing, is my position anyhow important for caustic splatter? Or it's just full aoe from boss area and i can just stand still

golden loom
buoyant herald
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check the second pin

fringe musk
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And how big it is?

buoyant herald
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all downhill from there though tbh

fringe musk
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Oh, thank you, I will read it immediatly

static glacier
fringe musk
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Wait, so it does matter, it says 12 yards circle from me as well?

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Unless I am misunderstanding it

balmy condor
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you are misunderstanding it

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the first check is 12 yards from the boss

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the second check is 12 yards from you, as long as it's also within the melee range of the boss

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so for basically every regular boss, the second check is just inside of the first check already

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it's only relevant on insanely large hitbox bosses where the adds are far away

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like gallywix

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rashanan

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etc

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bloodbound horror even

fringe musk
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It's so confusing... But I think i get it?

balmy condor
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you don't really need to understand the intricacies of it

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just know that gigantic melee range = stand on adds

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normal melee range = doesn't matter where you stand

limpid ember
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hello my friends, can someone help me mby 😦 my DMG in M+ sucks hard on Bosses -.- and i dont get why.

balmy condor
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what is the definition of "sucks hard on bosses"

fringe musk
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Because M+ build sucks at single

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Even simps will tell you that

balmy condor
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like are we talking 700k

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or 1.4mil

fringe musk
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sims*

limpid ember
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ehm like 1,4-2 mil

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per boss

balmy condor
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yeah

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that's pretty good

limpid ember
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solo like 1,4 and with some adds 2-3 mil 😄

balmy condor
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yep

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that's the spec

limpid ember
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sometimes i drop to 1 mil oder smt lkike this

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i think sometimes i play my cd´s wron g

balmy condor
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sure

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also reasonable

regal cloud
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I got taunt every st boss by my brew master flaming my st garf

hollow dirge
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tbh, spec is really slow at boss dmg, but I usually do around 1.6-1.8m on full st bosses, with bleed build, and I don't find a lot of specs really blasting boss dmg in m+, so it's not like you're super behind

regal cloud
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And then on pack he can't Tod cuz demise OMEGAKEKW

limpid ember
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can u guys tell me how u go into a boss fight rota wise? and how u use ur cd´s ?

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i play like this

balmy condor
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perfect

buoyant herald
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pretty much the same as that but without KB

subtle tundra
flint tusk
regal cloud
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Btw did we just wait energy for sanguine blade on st over envenom? (with bleed build full st encounter)

balmy condor
balmy condor
regal cloud
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Eh sorry mby the only part I skipped then kekdog ty tho 🫡

flint tusk
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Dirty filthy skipper

full shard
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Is there a certain amount of haste needed in st

balmy condor
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more than 0, less than 20,000

plucky canopy
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
limpid ember
balmy condor
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of course

indigo sphinx
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we love asking rogue daddy for permission yepp

limpid ember
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is this also fine ?

balmy condor
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incredible

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immaculate even

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I have a gif for this

limpid ember
indigo sphinx
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bad rng

limpid ember
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Witch Flask did u guys use for M+?

balmy condor
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alchemical chaos everywhere

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it's just better than any alternative

limpid ember
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okay

shy axle
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how does that "stay above 50% for sanguine" play out in reality? Do you just stop generating cps until 200e to never drop below 150, never env when under 185? or do you just float at around 150, sometimes being below, mostly above and pool a little bit ?

balmy condor
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sims do the float thing

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being around 80%

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they obviously slam energy out if it's a darkest night proc or during shiv

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so it's more of a "just sit around until something important happens"

midnight mist
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whispyr

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can you unblock me 5 min

subtle tundra
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you can ask me

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i will protect whispyr

midnight mist
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taht wont work

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its a whispar question

subtle tundra
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well go fuck yourself

midnight mist
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no cap

midnight mist
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I only ever been nice to you vorace

balmy condor
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thinking there's shit going down

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what do you desire most in the world zac

midnight mist
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ok whisp

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this time no troll i opened wowhead

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you know these right

balmy condor
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yepper

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I do

midnight mist
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can you ask them to put buttons to either the talent builder or to the bottom of the page to the talents viewevers

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i swear i hate getting there

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and not being able to see the talent pages

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!

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so bad !

subtle tundra
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lol you use wowhead

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stay bad

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ig

midnight mist
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I do once a year

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And always get tilted at the same thing

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Which is that thing

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(other than like the fact there is 50 pages per spec but that is how it is)

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anyway you can block me again i have nothing else of value to say

balmy condor
midnight mist
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not that what i said was of much value

balmy condor
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you want this?

midnight mist
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ye something like that

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i jsut wanna be able to see the talents quickly

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wtihout manually importing them

balmy condor
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and the selector here isn't good enough

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yeh okay

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I can do that

midnight mist
midnight mist
balmy condor
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it is

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it's templated technically, we used to have a link

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but that doesn't mess up SEO or anything so should be okay for me to just add

midnight mist
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ok i see

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big guy

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block me again now

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this isnt good for the lore

shy axle
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@balmy condor thank you. Floating is like build cp and wait, like the oldschool pooling? i have trouble imagining it without just standing still

proud pelican
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Holy shit a whispyr and Zac crossover episode

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I was here

shy axle
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thanks again

winged quail
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Wait Zac is actually talking sense for once wtf HOLY

midnight mist
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I'm like that

subtle tundra
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yeah no

winged quail
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Let’s not go too far

midnight mist
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varas

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you playing this tier or

subtle tundra
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nope

midnight mist
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wtf why !

subtle tundra
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play what

midnight mist
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uh

subtle tundra
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i have raid logged a bit

midnight mist
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the video game we all love

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no ye i meant m+

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the real part of the game you know

subtle tundra
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no i havent done any in a month or close to

midnight mist
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gg

red schooner
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Varas mains fishing now, not m+

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He's free

balmy condor
midnight mist
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Huge

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I'm reformed

subtle tundra
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i remembered why i hated m+ back in SL, ate all my time.

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even with playing a lot less, it was too much

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last season

balmy condor
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reformed until outlaw gets another bugfix and then we'll go back to it

midnight mist
subtle tundra
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im glad i got to play m+ when assa was meta but fucking hated that assa was so god awful at st

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felt like i was actually holding my group back

midnight mist
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you were

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i have seen you

subtle tundra
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sure you were

balmy condor
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okay zac, this work?

midnight mist
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big huge

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love you cuh

balmy condor
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should already be up go ahead and refresh

subtle tundra
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also meta is playing fucking udk. i heard what the gameplay loop is in aoe

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no fucking thanks

proud pelican
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Whispyr did you fix my typo?

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I need to tell people im a wowhead writer

balmy condor
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idk probably, I fixed a bunch of stuff all over the place over the last couple days

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were you the adds spawn vs adds die guy

viscid spear
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Doing Mythic Vexie prog tonight, any tips?
peeposcared

proud pelican
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Ye

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You don’t remember? I thought we were close feelscryman

balmy condor
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yeh that's fixed and I added another section

static glacier
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or 4 if vv

balmy condor
midnight mist
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hardest part of the fight

proud pelican
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Gonna have my guild start calling me adds spawn vs adds die guy

red schooner
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Don't do what my group does on reclear, go full parse mode and wipe 3 times because only 1/3 of the team is actually trying to grab oils and send bikes into boss

midnight mist
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1/3 ?

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on prog litteraly only our raid leader was sending the bikes

red schooner
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It was the oils that were the issue

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Can't send bikes if most of the team are dodging oils

midnight mist
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ye

royal lantern
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ez 100% uptime

red schooner
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Good plan

red schooner
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Or a swapblaster

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When the last add dies I just fucking sprint inside the hotel for safety

viscid spear
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I just swapblast people onto the road to get run over by the bikers while we go to Stix or Locken

vapid sierra
midnight mist
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ye thats normal

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even in mythic you only have one guy doing coins in oab

golden loom
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BM hunter job

viscid spear
coral walrus
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in hybrid build, what is the minimum of targets necessary to be worth keeping crimson tempest up?

static glacier
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but ye bike duty is bleak

lost wharf
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How much rio should I get approximatly, if I upgrade from +12 intime to +13 intime?

cobalt flint
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Anyone had the 1st boss on priory randomly change target at the end and snipe people? Happened to me twice, looking back at the shadowplay clip can't tell at all why its happening. Couldnt find anything on the web about it

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This is with the spear ability

red schooner
lost wharf
cobalt flint
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It doesn't 'update' the visual either, the boss just faces someone else suddenly and bodies them

vapid sierra
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Test it out

lost wharf
jaunty sky
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depends on how fast the 12 you're upgrading was

lost wharf
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Since I'm queing a couple, I can't say for sure, but they were all +1

jaunty sky
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12 to 13 is a base upgrade of 25 points if you did both keys in exactly the same time

indigo mulch
lost wharf
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I see, thanks! I hope it's gonna be enough then 😄

jaunty sky
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if it's not enough you can just try for a quicker 12 as well

lost wharf
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It's more of an issue to get into groups

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I don't really wanna push. I just hope that with 3k I get invites to 10s for my vault, which sadly is an issue...

cedar flicker
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indigo mulch
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2.8kish is generally enough.

jaunty sky
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ive been getting really ez invites for things below 12 and i was 2750 for a long time

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esp since i stopped playing outlaw KEKW

lost wharf
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Idk, I'm stuck in que for 10min between each key. I even specifically look that they already have BL and a CR, but still they don't want me

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Meanwhile my 660 mage with 2.2k score is insta invited

serene flicker
rotund oak
lost wharf
cobalt flint
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Those stairs bug a lot of stuff indeed, but it wasnt at the stairs. Checked also noone melded/vanish/invis etc. weird stuff

lost wharf
serene flicker
cobalt flint
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Randomly turns 120 degree and oneshots 2 pll completely in the opposite direction 😅

serene flicker
cobalt flint
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It was a prot pally yes

jaunty sky
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feel like there's some frontals that have twitchy aim

winged quail
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I’ve had that boss 360 noscope two people before, it’s bullshit

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I was one of the people

serene flicker
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Could have been a bad taunt/bop to drop the bleed, and bubbles taunt doesn’t work along the Z axis so he prolly inadvertently dropped aggro with an immune

red schooner
winged quail
#

The hitbox on the spear is silly tho, starts in the bosses ass and is like 3x as wide as the indicator

serene flicker
#

Fuckin paladins and their self righteous bs

cobalt flint
#

Hmm, ill check if he bubbled. But taunt should not cause that normally right? Because he has aggro anyway

plucky patio
#

Question about Fatebound: do you want to use Finishers always with 5+ CP or are you also sending 4CP finishers?

cobalt flint
serene flicker
dawn seal
#

Do u guys switch targets on stix

#

Or just tunnel boss all day everyday

cobalt flint
#

Ah maybe, I'll have a look, easy enough to see on omnicd if he used bop/bubble

#

Thx

merry marsh
red schooner
#

Well, 'help out', I try to help out

#

But, sin rogue limitations etc

serene flicker
#

Ass rogue*

dawn seal
#

Mm

royal lantern
warm vortex
#

Finaly boss rook

#

Pain

flat pier
#

Hey lads at what key level should i be switching my gems / gear to have Vers ?RHlove

royal lantern
#

whenever you start to cope that vers will totally make you stay alive

flat pier
#

omegalul sheeesh guess ill use it when my healer cant keep me up then

desert crest
#

No if u can still blame healer then u go for 0% vers

flat pier
#

😄

lost wharf
#

The only time I'd consider swapping is when both our boomies are playing the ball at the same time. Then I sometimes run around and Rupture the crabs.

balmy condor
blissful storm
#

quick question about rupture sniping we wanna do it on w/e CP we have or we for example prefer doing it on low CP so we dont waste too many points? And yes I have read it is linear to what cp we spent I just wonder if it is better to do it on low cp or high cp or doesnt matter

balmy condor
#

Doesn’t matter

grim jay
#

Can you back it up?

warm vortex
#

Tbh whispyr has a cock big enough to backup any claim

#

Btw

#

Friend forgot your name whispyr so he siad

#

"They guy that sounds like a twink and loves feet"

#

to describe you

#

XD

#

And i instantly knew

balmy condor
warm vortex
#

"Yea that's whispyr"

balmy condor
#

Based

grim jay
#

How does someone sound like a twink

warm vortex
#

Listen to whispyr

grim jay
viscid spear
grim jay
south prawn
#

Assassination is a spectrum

balmy condor
south prawn
#

U have zerocool at one end and Whispyr at the other

red schooner
#

So, I'm doing my part

grim jay
balmy condor
#

You probably are

grim jay
#

Mayhaps

#

Germans calling alts twinks also doesnt make it any better

warm vortex
#

Also

#

because pugs are inconsistant

#

did 2 13s today, timed 2

#

So far

#

XD

lost wharf
red schooner
#

Imagine doing above a 10, couldn't be me

warm vortex
#

Also

#

Had my first encounter with an assa on a high keyt

grim jay
#

And it being another word for alt is just weird

warm vortex
#

He did p goog

#

I think?

#

Top 13

#

Shaman fucked up miniboss skip

lost wharf
#

ToP is like the worst key for Assa

warm vortex
#

So our dps should be higher

lost wharf
#

So yea, it's good

warm vortex
#

I'm also playing bm

grim jay
warm vortex
#

instead of marks

#

And marks fucking obliterates in ToP

lost wharf
#

I have no idea about hunter

#

I usually play sub in ToP

grim jay
#

I think I had like 3.4m in my last top

warm vortex
#

It tells you what you need to know tbf lmao

#

Super good atm but target capped at 5

#

or 6 ig?

grim jay
#

MM is the only hunter spec I would play

south prawn
#

So why is sin “A tier” with 37 specs above it when i have yet to have someone outdps me (prob havent played with super good players tho)

warm vortex
#

No pet ai

grim jay
#

I hate pets

lost wharf
viscid spear
red schooner
warm vortex
#

MM is fucking insane

viral current
#

hey, i havent played since last season and wanna get back in.. just looked at wowhead m+ recommended talents.. is there a reason why kingsbane is no longer being taken and were down to 2 poisons from 4?

red schooner
warm vortex
#

that's why peopel don't run KB

grim jay
red schooner
#

But if you catch multiple oils in a row you die so

grim jay
#

When I could just play mage and be OP all the time

warm vortex
grim jay
warm vortex
#

Fair fair

viscid spear
grim jay
#

@balmy condor help, I'm listening to Westernhagen at work

balmy condor
#

But why

grim jay
#

Tired, no energy drink

#

Something happened in my brain

lost wharf
south prawn
#

Yo guys is there a splatter bug? I went into a key where it wouldnt apply no matter what (thank god the key was resilient) had to swap to outlaw next attempt

jaunty sky
red schooner
south prawn
lost wharf
balmy condor
#

Faster than me

royal lantern
grim jay
royal lantern
#

goated dungeon

red schooner
#

So no spatter

lost wharf
warm vortex
#

You litterally can BL without a pet now

#

as MM

south prawn
royal lantern
south prawn
lost wharf
grim jay
#

Idk

red schooner
warm vortex
#

Lemmie get the spell

balmy condor
#

You need to mutilate/ambush a poisoned + ruptured enemy

viscid spear
balmy condor
#

So instant poison won’t do (shouldnt be using instant anyways though)

red schooner
#

Think each bike drops two oils but don't quote me on this

warm vortex
#

@lost wharf

red schooner
#

I am just a simple melee DPS tunneling boss

south prawn
viscid spear
lost wharf
# warm vortex

Oh neat, I never knew that they added a skill like that.

jaunty sky
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grim jay
warm vortex
#

They gave you a pet in the best way they could
Making it completly offscreen and only appearing for a few seconds when you press something

#

Like you can now use intimidation as MM

grim jay
#

Still is

warm vortex
#

eagle swoops down for a few seconds before fuckin off

#

Also gives this

viscid spear
warm vortex
#

so you legit can't summon a pet as mm

lost wharf
#

Banger

#

I got an invite into a 13, les go! Hopefully it's enough for 3k

jaunty sky
red schooner
south prawn
warm vortex
#

It's that sorta "you can"

royal lantern
warm vortex
#

IMO at least

vapid sierra
royal lantern
vapid sierra
#

If it did it would be broken

balmy condor
#

Lethal poison

vapid sierra
#

Imagine straight up reducing cast time for everything around you

royal lantern
#

oh it says lethal

#

thought it was just poison

south prawn
#

Mr Whispyr regarding the “staying above 50% energy” for bleed build is that for both aoe and ST?

lost wharf
#

For me it says Deadly

balmy condor
balmy condor
alpine latch
#

I think I got my IO high enough to get into 7s no matter what.. Now I needd to swap over to Sin and learn it

royal lantern
#

but why...?

alpine latch
#

Why what?

#

Why swap? Why 7s?

balmy condor
#

Why life

alpine latch
#

true

balmy condor
#

Why is

grim jay
#

Why Westernhagen

balmy condor
#

Why am

warm vortex
#

y

balmy condor
#

Why spyr

alpine latch
#

Sub didn't really change since I played last, so when I came back, I just stayed Sub to gear up. Last time I played Sin was in Shadowlands

#

And it's changed a lot since then

balmy condor
#

But why

royal lantern
#

ah ok

alpine latch
#

I quit in S3 last expansion when we stopped pushing for CE

royal lantern
#

thought its some weird "assa is better, so i have ti play it now" thing

alpine latch
#

I ame back for 2 weeks at the beginning of TWW, got AotC/KSM on my warrior, then quit

royal lantern
south prawn
alpine latch
#

Well, I plan on raiding

normal mist
#

Sudden demise in low keys says what

alpine latch
#

And Sin seems better in raid

normal mist
alpine latch
#

Plus, I'd like to push to like 13-14 range, and agian Sin seems better there

south prawn
#

Have fun 🙂

alpine latch
#

It really comes down to if I can find a guild I enjoy or not

#

I can't raid with my old guild anymore

gusty mirage
#

@balmy condor I miss u(s)

stable cove
#

If you garrote main target from stealth will it apply deathstalkers?

warm vortex
#

Deathstalkers mark only comes from ambush

stable cove
#

Ty

warm vortex
#

However if you have darkest night from a previous pack, you can start with garrote

#

As your next 7 CP enven will apply the mark

stable cove
#

Was watching a 17 and the sin kept not opening with ambush

#

Without dn

warm vortex
#

Oh without darkest night?

#

Darkest night is gained when all marks are consumed or the target dies with mark

stable cove
#

I guess it was to get silences out idk

warm vortex
#

So that's most likely what was happening

#

Target dies with mark and you have DN for
I think 30 seconds?

warm vortex
#

So you could idk

#

Get up from your desk
make a sandwich
walk your dogs

#

and by the time you are back you still have darkest night

stable cove
#

It was first pull of the dung and he did it there too

coral ibex
#

with subterfuge you don’t have to ambush for 6s

stable cove
#

Ah maybe that’s why

warm vortex
#

oohhhhhhhhh
Thats what you mean

#

Ok i thought you meant he just didn't ambush at all

#

Was getting confused

south prawn
celest ruin
#

has anyone tried mastery flask in bleed build? just did a 13 floodgate and its the first time i got 5.4m+ overalls. is it worth gimping your on-use pot for those giga sudden demise bleeds?

static glacier
south prawn
#

I use mastery flask

south prawn
#

If u not min maxing for time

static glacier
#

the whole schitck with mastery flask is

viscid spear
#

Feel like that DH is underperforming

static glacier
#

your pot wont give you mastery

spice surge
#

Whatever flask youre using is gonna have an absolutely minimal impact on your damage

static glacier
#

^

spice surge
#

Do whatever you want

south prawn
viscid spear
spice surge
#

seeing as assa likes all stats i dont see why you wouldnt run the random flask since it has higher stats than the others, but shrugeg

lost wharf
#

My Workshop on +12 was too good 😦

serene flicker
#

How important is caustic spatter in keys?

spice surge
#

I mean its one of your main aoe tools

serene flicker
#

Do I just put it on a Prio target in a pack and forget about it? I can’t seem to make it do the damage I see from it when I play with rogues on main.

spice surge
#

You should always have spatter up when you envenom

royal lantern
#

god i hate that trinket

spice surge
#

Priory L

royal lantern
#

stop making me care about stats

royal lantern
south prawn
#

Bleed build as well where dm isnt as impactful as normal build

serene flicker
south prawn
#

Evenom no?

storm forum
spice surge
serene flicker
#

I get it now, thank you guys

stiff badger
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
frank trench
#

Man I can’t figure out why my first two parses in heroic raid are giga high and then single target is a dumpster fire the rotation isn’t hard could it just be getting like more single target orientated trinkets like swapping energy drink for magnet in raid single

royal lantern
royal lantern
#

if they kill a boss at 6:23 and you kill it at 7:13, you ofc will look bad in comparison

south prawn
#

I guess different stat allocation cause the change

sour elm
#

Looking for a point of clarity on the fatebound ST rotation. I know if the opener we vanish in the KB window; for the next deathmark cast, are we vanishing for the improved garrote before it or do we keep the vanish in the KB window?

royal lantern
#

priory is the trinket that allings

#

well, both do

frank trench
#

That’s a good idea I will do that tryan ty

sour elm
frank trench
#

Can I ask a stupid question why does almost everyone use focus lens isn’t that not as good for aoe

sour elm
#

lens for me sims within margin of signet; so its a decent trinket.

Though, in sims you have to be mindful of timing because it might be sending lens more often than signet due to CDs

edit im thinking of the trinket ignore me

golden loom
frank trench
#

Ahhh just thought it was weird like all top m+ use lense thought I should recraft

#

If I was missing some magical boat

royal lantern
#

embelishment are like

#

1% AT BEST in tww

warm vortex
#

The rats continue the pug journey

pliant remnant
vivid quartz
#

!macro

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

real pike
#

hello everybody, I have been doing some keys with bleed build and would welcome any criticism or general commentary on how I can suck less

supple girder
#

hi this was probably asked alot but is dungeon slice a good way to sim for m+?

gusty mirage
gray pecan
#

Hey, u Think rogue assa is better than mm hunter ?

keen spruce
spice spire
#

I should call her

manic quartz
#

how did you do log review again ?

dapper cradle
#

you hit !log

manic quartz
#

!log

prisma monolithBOT
#

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

sharp moss
#

whats the key to using the magnet trink?

keen spruce
#

u just post a log and wait for someone

#

to make a t hreade

#

thread

dapper cradle
#

wait what does that not start a new chat anymore

#

!log

prisma monolithBOT
#

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

dapper cradle
keen spruce
#

no in assas

#

not*

dapper cradle
#

wack

keen spruce
#

hasn't since like early DF

keen spruce
#

?

#

what do you mean wrong

#

for an 84

manic quartz
#

i mean it could be better?

muted nebula
#

Guys my thistle tea drinking is automatically

manic quartz
golden loom
coral ibex
#

yep

#

it does that

muted nebula
#

Is that the right thing?

coral ibex
#

read the talent

real pike
#

!tea

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

keen spruce
real pike
#

oh fuck

manic quartz
real pike
#

if they don't shit gets screwey real quick

golden loom
#

ye I just made a seperate DM bind for vexie / target dummies / whatever when I dont wanna use pot 8)

manic quartz
real pike
#

but if you hit all 3 in all sets and get the amp lined up

#

brrrrrr

manic quartz
#

y

coral ibex
#

bro did not press cds at 2m

#

wtf

keen spruce
#

it looks like you deathmark after all of the adds die?

real pike
#

Rup uptime seems a bit low

keen spruce
#

at 2m?

manic quartz
warm vortex
#

MM hunter and assa acomplish diffrent things

#

Like MM hunter won't be better than assa if your comp already has a hunter in it

coral ibex
#

this is only a 95 and you can see the diff

warm vortex
#

Assassin is better in priory and workshop 100%

#

Mm is better in top

keen spruce
#

but something is fucky with that 2nd deathmark

warm vortex
#

There's too many variables for it to be is x better than y

keen spruce
#

you're doing like 0 dmg

coral ibex
#

i feel like you had to have DM'd one of the adds

#

accidentally

manic quartz
#

first DM was at 7.5sercs and second at 2:09

coral ibex
#

it just makes no sense

keen spruce
#

yeah you're kinda just getting dicked a little too

golden loom
#

when did u proc the damage amp

real pike
#

he doesn't maintain spatter

manic quartz
#

no idea how to check that

real pike
#

through CDs

short pine
#

how do i view what my parse is again?

keen spruce
#

top 50 damage to pit mechanic

short pine
#

does wowanalyzer show me it

keen spruce
#

your teams damage to pit mechanic

real pike
keen spruce
#

all of your adds are kinda getting murdered before your CDs come up?

golden loom
coral ibex
#

maybe ur raid is griefing the adds somehow

#

idk

keen spruce
coral ibex
#

got some unethical padders

#

for sure

short pine
real pike
#

or does it flatline if it's doing no damage

#

but spatter was doing no damage while he was in DM window

#

I can tell you that much

coral ibex
#

spatter shows 0 if its doing nothing

keen spruce
#

yeah because all of the adds were dead

real pike
#

ok cool

coral ibex
#

my log

real pike
#

don't mind me

keen spruce
#

pit mechanic health

#

all deadge before 2m

#

just got griefed by starfall

coral ibex
#

yea thats tough

#

here's a tip

#

pay your raid to fuck up the bikes

#

so the intermission starts later

keen spruce
#

yeah kind of a bum answer but sometimes you have less control over your parse than people like to think

golden loom
#

deffo in aoe fights

coral ibex
#

is it ever correct here to just hold DM

golden loom
#

lockenstock I am 100 parsing every wipe

coral ibex
#

for the intermission

golden loom
coral ibex
real pike
#

if bikes get missed

#

surely it's better to hold

golden loom
#

we wanna miss a cast?

coral ibex
#

oh no way if bikes get missed

#

you dont want to have held

real pike
#

especially towards the end of the fight

coral ibex
#

if you think ur raid will miss bikes then you should expect intermission around 2m

#

and not 1:40

real pike
#

I thought it was around 2m if bikes are done perfectly

coral ibex
#

no

real pike
#

shows how good we are in my guild lmfao

golden loom
#

wait so if they are done good u think its 2min

#

but u would still hold

#

wat

coral ibex
#

this is when intermission can be

#

it can be omega early

manic quartz
#

Thanks for all the comments 🙂

real pike
#

by 2min

keen spruce
#

to be fair

real pike
#

I would probably hold until it hits

keen spruce
#

rank 8 held

coral ibex
#

rank 8 held for an extremely early and perfect timing

#

which was my point!!!

golden loom
coral ibex
#

i was thinking you just rip kb on pull and then hold dm for the intermish

real pike
#

oh I did not realise I thought you just meant hold in general

#

I am regarded

golden loom
#

I mean what u really want is a slowish kill

#

so u get full cds in the 2nd intermission

coral ibex
#

rank 8 got literally perfect intermission timing btw

golden loom
#

full cds in execute damage amp mamma mia!

keen spruce
#

ye very early

coral ibex
#

holy shit the r1 log got a 42m envenom on vexie

short pine
#

ignore me.. i was looking at the wrong build

golden loom
#

like look at my 2nd damage amp damage kekdog

keen spruce
golden loom
#

I wouldnt say its that late

#

think there was a call to hold the bikes for a few seconds tho but it wasnt even a full 2min

#

like we lust at 1:47 and I deathmark at 2:06

keen spruce
#

I'm learning these fights by reading your logs

manic quartz
#

how do i check again when our intermission started?

golden loom
#

I am a vexie hater tho

#

every week its getting worse

keen spruce
#

every week more chinese parse runs

golden loom
#

I realized that with stix

#

if you dont have (CN) after ur server

#

just quit

coral ibex
#

more stix tonight!!!

#

surely i can get a good log tn before the OAB mines

golden loom
coral ibex
#

BATTLE

golden loom
coral ibex
#

im a variety gamer i raid in ffxiv on my off days

keen spruce
#

i just play sudoku

graceful wren
#

i like to fuck

tired wagon
#

Whats the closest class to rogue in ffxiv

alpine falcon
#

rly rly weird overall

real pike
#

that name lmao

graceful wren
#

how good is bleed over

alpine falcon
#

i like no kb

manic quartz
#

ah our intermission started at 1:30 so pretty early i guess?

alpine falcon
#

plays way nicer on st

graceful wren
#

how good is bleed build over lichbane?

alpine falcon
#

this was 13brew btw for test

golden loom
real pike
coral ibex
alpine falcon
coral ibex
#

its hard to compare tho, the gcd is a lot slower in ffxiv

tired wagon
#

I do like big numbers

coral ibex
#

there's more emphasis on weaving off-globals between globals

#

rather than many fast global inputs

graceful wren