darkest night
#assassination
hearty seal
runic hinge
I’m gonna use the gif
normal mist
Use it
runic hinge
royal lantern
that has nothing to do with haste, i literally explained it to you
your energy will no "surge" because you get 2more energy a second and your bleeds tick 0,2seconds faster
rocky flicker
How much haste are you running on bleed build?
normal mist
Whatever the sim says
royal lantern
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
rocky flicker
Sims says weird things. It says, that items with haste are not an upgrade, but crafted same ilvl with haste is and upgrade.
normal mist
Sims are reliable most of the time
gritty laurel
crafted items are always 50/50 split on the stats too, drops are usually tilted toward one stat
rocky flicker
well, there is a 2nd stat on your items aswell
Crit on both cases
lucid silo
Sims are run by birds which are not real. therefore sims are not real
normal mist
Are we talking 0.00001% better / worse?
haughty flicker
but birds are robots and sims are robots therefore birds have good sims
rocky flicker
0.1 - 0.3%
lucid silo
muh parse
gritty laurel
that 0.3% is all that's keeping me from pink parsing, trust
runic hinge
Just remembering to dry shiv is more than your gear swap
normal mist
I thrust
rocky flicker
that 0.3% is all that's keeping me from pink parsing, trust
PREACH!
gritty laurel
but yeah, what royal said. it's margin of error territory so don't over rotate on it
haughty flicker
just crit more
warm lantern
man they gotta remove parry from this game, or bring back dodge for ranged, cuz i'm going crazy
rocky flicker
Thanks.
haughty flicker
remove all crit from your gear and just git gud
haughty flicker
crit is a bait stat
royal lantern
if you resim, it could not even be there again
royal lantern
crit is a bait stat
REAL
hearty seal
your energy will no "surge" because you get 2more energy a second and your bleed...
yeah looked at the log, I gaslit myself apparently
royal lantern
just crit
runic hinge
man they gotta remove parry from this game, or bring back dodge for ranged, cuz ...
Get a sub rogue in your raid group
warm lantern
?
i'm just malding when i cant be behind boss and they parry my big DN
i'd love to be the sub rogue but the cards arent destined to be mine
normal mist
Oh that ... Thematic
hearty seal
i'm just malding when i cant be behind boss and they parry my big DN
wait
do you lose DN if they parry the applying envenom?
royal lantern
i'd love to be the sub rogue but the cards arent destined to be mine
if you can play assa, you can play sub
warm lantern
yep
royal lantern
the specs are nearly the same at this point 
hearty seal
FUCK THAT'S WHAT IT IS I GUESS
warm lantern
if you can play assa, you can play sub
well yes, but i cba playing sub with a 2min trinket
BRING BACK SHADOWDUST
runic hinge
Nty
dapper cradle
shadow dust being gone is based
runic hinge
They need to make sub have less cds not more cd tracking lol
warm lantern
its not more tracking with sd
dapper cradle
playstyle wise sub is in a good spot imo
runic hinge
Okay the spreadsheet they had says otherwise
warm lantern
double vanish shadowdust was peak fun
royal lantern
They need to make sub have less cds not more cd tracking lol
i would agree
but im on my hater arc, so no, sub should get more cds
warm lantern
it feels like a classic spec since
royal lantern
double vanish shadowdust was peak fun
it was also fundamentally broken and was removed cus of that
haughty flicker
current sin is infinitely closer to a classic spec than sub is
runic hinge
So true
warm lantern
if they stopped thinking they have a chance to tune 50 point talent trees when they struggled tuning 5 point talent trees
fallow canopy
wait
do you lose DN if they parry the applying envenom?
no
warm lantern
they could make it worse
rotund oak
it feels like a classic spec since
Sub is the most broken spec by default.There is no other spec in the game that can tap into so much power by pressing dance.Its crazy how extreme sub can be
royal lantern
build build spend
you talking about assa or abot 99% of specs in wow?
hearty seal
it still applies mark
in that case I'm not sure where my mark goes sometimes (like, 1% of the time)
haughty flicker
you talking about assa or abot 99% of specs in wow?
warm lantern
Sub is the most broken spec by default.There is no other spec in the game that c...
oh a spec is hard to tune because we overcomplicate things, lets just make it bland af
fallow canopy
in that case I'm not sure where my mark goes sometimes (like, 1% of the time)
do you have a specific example?
warm lantern
it wasnt really that broken though
rotund oak
oh a spec is hard to tune because we overcomplicate things, lets just make it bl...
also true,we kinda try to milk everything so that complicates stuff alot
but by default
as a spec
pressing dance
is extreme
runic hinge
if they stopped thinking they have a chance to tune 50 point talent trees when t...
Having more points to tune makes it easier. Not harder.
hearty seal
do you have a specific example?
nah, it just happens sometimes, I even made a DN tracker WA to make sure I'm not just running out of time on it
haughty flicker
royal lantern
it wasnt really that broken though
it was
get the League of Legends brainlet thought out of your head that "broken" means "its overly strong"
it was broken because they made a CD burst spec and then gave it 100% customisable CD windows, which translates into "no matter the situaton, you will always be bursting perfectly"
which is like
holy shit
you cant desing around that at all
literally everything would slowly become "allright and what are we doing with sub rogue here?"
dapper cradle
tryan throwing knuckles sheeeeesh
warm lantern
i miss DF S1 sub
yeah man
royal lantern
tryan throwing knuckles sheeeeesh
rotund oak
that was fun
SL Sub
obsidian plank
Hey sorry to ask this if it’s been asked before, I’ve tried searching everywhere and can’t find a clear answer
Are we spamming envenom or only refreshing it? I’m guessing we pool energy when we are under 50? But I can’t find anything to back that up.
I’m following rotations but my parses are shit and this is the only thing I can think of
royal lantern
i miss DF S1 sub
DF S2 sub
gloomblade 
dapper cradle
wow classic rogue peak
lucid silo
i hated sub after the rework
sonic schooner
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
royal lantern
Hey sorry to ask this if it’s been asked before, I’ve tried searching everywhere...
just spamm, its not really something you minmax for
next compass
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
royal lantern
smh replied to myself
the shizo hitting hard
lucid silo
it wasnt a very complex spec but it was a vibe as fuck
warm lantern
it wasnt a very complex spec but it was a vibe as fuck
never had more fun
hearty seal
ss ss ss ss ss SND ss ss ss ss ss
p sure you also get evis in there, SND lasts long enough
warm lantern
but they showed us the least amount of fun ever with the launch state of 1x shadowdust at launch haha
royal lantern
Gloomblade 
hearty seal
personally I think shadowdust was interesting because it actually made Sub use Vanish in combat, which makes sense
sacred grove
after my initial garrote and rupture falls should i vanish to reapply them?
lucid silo
did we even use gloomblade before the rework
warm lantern
personally I think shadowdust was interesting because it actually made _Sub_ use...
always fun when muscle memory applied fighting mobs in open world
hearty seal
design issues aside, I don't think sub needs Vanish like at all right now
rotund oak
did we even use gloomblade before the rework
pvp only iirc
hearty seal
which is weird esp with how other specs do use it
rotund oak
was niche
chilly nimbus
yo, what sniping rupture means?
royal lantern
god i hate concentration cost sometimes
"5skill? thats 30% of your concentration bozo"
rotund oak
yo, what sniping rupture means?
when a mob is about to die u press rup on it
to get energy back
rotund oak
too much outlaw in you fam
hearty seal
god i hate concentration cost sometimes
"5skill? thats 30% of your concentratio...
just pop that stupid paper in, I have tons lying around somehow
rotund oak
we need to perform the dagger ritual on you
golden loom
average
golden loom
I am so sorry for your friend
rotund oak
never feel sorry,the man made a choice
true nexus
they are on stix pull #300 now
My guild is deff heading in this direction
we're like 120ish or something with no signs of life
lost wharf
Why is there a dps difference in the order of trinkets?
royal lantern
margin of error
there is no difference
mate, that "difference" is not even in the 0,1% range 
lost wharf
I was just wondering why it considers the order at all
Like why are those 2 seperate sims
hardy rapids
They’re doing it on purpose to hurt you
vestal cliff
its not a big thing but i got my first 100 Log ever today on normal Vexie! Im a bit proud of myself :3
Playing my Rogue since i started with wow in DF, last season 7/8 Mythic, i really feel my improvment over the time!
Thanks to this awesome Community and the best (and cutest) Guidewriter/Youtube Creator / Twitch Streamer / Assa Rogue Whispy ❤️
love you guys so much
royal lantern
its not a big thing but i got my first 100 Log ever today on normal Vexie! Im a ...
gz man \o/
proud pelican
Grats bro massive
vestal cliff
Thanks!!! <3
nimble tartan
congrats max!!!! i am 670 ilevel and i will queue normal for the first time in weeks just to take that spot from you out of respect for your commitment to the game to make sure u keep striving for greatness
vestal cliff
do that ! i will take the throne back when we clear normal again :D
balmy condor
Like why are those 2 seperate sims
The fallback conditions for trinkets is that it will use the top slot first
balmy condor
its not a big thing but i got my first 100 Log ever today on normal Vexie! Im a ...
Gratz!
vestal cliff
ty ❤️❤️
red schooner
watching the raid do stix, boss is on 1%, last two balls run into each other instead of the boss and time out
rip
warm vortex
Well if all my things lock in
5/8 bosses have 99s this tier
warm vortex
its not a big thing but i got my first 100 Log ever today on normal Vexie! Im a ...
Also gratz !!!!
vestal cliff
ty ❤️❤️❤️❤️
lavish wing
is there a reason ppl who delay burst on Stix for 38 sec dont do dry shiv after, is it just bad timing oor smth else
coral ibex
it comes up as he's landing after air phase
lavish wing
i mean i made this conclusion using a few top parses on lorrgs, might be wrong
lucid silo
i try to avoid going in dry
coral ibex
and sometimes it doesnt align
vestal cliff
how do you guys get a bleed build role?
gusty mirage
how do you guys get a bleed build role?
If that doesn’t work lmk
I’ll manually add it
gusty mirage
red schooner
with every pull i watch, the more happy i am that i ain't on stix prog
sometimes
life is okay
vestal cliff
stix is not a fun rogue boss no no
warm vortex
with every pull i watch, the more happy i am that i ain't on stix prog
Me with mythic
red schooner
Me with mythic
Mythic is fun, stix, pain
warm vortex
Im just gonna keep my goal of getting 8 99s on hero
haughty flicker
stix is not a fun rogue boss no no
stix is not a fun rogue boss no no
warm vortex
Mythic is fun, stix, pain
Depends on who you play with
wanton nest
I like stix as sub to be honest.
warm vortex
Cause w the guild im in
Most likely we will get 4/8M or smth
warm vortex
Like we spent a whole night and couldn’t reclear
But we have done reclear before, lots of people were just off speccing
vestal cliff
I like stix as sub to be honest.
if i had HoC instead of Transmitter i would say the same
balmy condor
Collect buff
warm vortex
I do kinda wanna push but idk how to find a group
Plus
BM might be the worst hunter spec atm from what I’ve seen?
Cause I think it and surv are p close
vestal cliff
i tanked a +12 ToP with my VDH today and i only saw MM Hunter apply
alot of MM Hunters
warm vortex
Well MM is better and also ToP is the best dungeon for MM
west crown
"rupture sniping is bad" "rupture sniping is trolling" feelscraft wins once again
vestal cliff
ah well
haughty flicker
mm is hype in top
vestal cliff
oi
haughty flicker
soemthing liek that
vestal cliff
dont know
haughty flicker
except for volley and explosive shot but neither of those are big damage
digital stirrup
craft OH dagger or continue to wait for one from keys and craft a cloak or boots or somethin
warm vortex
I’m p sure
Aimed shot + rapid fire can only hit up to 6
warm vortex
except for volley and explosive shot but neither of those are big damage
What
Brother
haughty flicker
yeah trick shots is like 6 hard cap
red schooner
craft OH dagger or continue to wait for one from keys and craft a cloak or boots...
do not double craft dagger
haughty flicker
have they giga buffed it or something
red schooner
bad plan
haughty flicker
bc i remember it barely being worth pressing
warm vortex
It’s one of the reasons they are so varied
digital stirrup
do not double craft dagger
figured, just sitting on a 629 cuz not a single one has dropped for me lmao
jaunty kayak
hey, with VV talented, we do not FoK for last CP for DN on ST correct?
warm vortex
4pc says smth like
“Lock and load (auto attacks have an 8% chance to make your next aimed free and instant) also fires an explosive shot at 300% damage”
And if there is already an explosive shot on the target both get the 300% buff
haughty flicker
oh well thats cheating
warm vortex
How so
haughty flicker
no cheaters allowed
warm vortex
How is it cheating big man
warm vortex
Sure buddy
haughty flicker
back in my day we had ethical non explosive shot tier
warm vortex
Bro why tf did I swap off Ass
It’s good like every tier ffs
haughty flicker
and explosive shot sucked
but you had nothing better to take so you took it anyway
warm vortex
Lmao
haughty flicker
Bro why tf did I swap off Ass
It’s good like every tier ffs
assa learned its lesson from the pi debacle
warm vortex
Lmao
runic hinge
craft OH dagger or continue to wait for one from keys and craft a cloak or boots...
Offhand is your least valuable slot stat wise
grand trail
did they change anything in sims i feel like simming less than week before 😄
lavish geyser
for stealth build do I vanish at 6 sec left of my cds and refresh garrotes and ct?
keen spruce
grand trail
ah missed that thanks
runic hinge
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I want to get 3k io
haughty flicker
coral ibex
runic hinge
ok so go do that
I need my job to change
austere willow
thistle tea
red schooner
figured, just sitting on a 629 cuz not a single one has dropped for me lmao
Ye, offhand is just a weak slot, better sending gilded elsewhere normally
runic hinge
whats your job got to do with 3k
A 45 minute commute each way means I don’t get much time on weekdays to play and I have wack hours so I can’t play with guild. And now it’s spring so I gotta golf on the weekends
red schooner
A 45 minute commute each way means I don’t get much time on weekdays to play and...
Train Stuart to play rogue
We trust in Stuart
keen spruce
A 45 minute commute each way means I don’t get much time on weekdays to play and...
but just like
do one key and don't fail
then u get some io
austere willow
can somebody help me i have the thistle tea/shiv macro and its not working for me
i hit shiv and thistle tea does not go up
runic hinge
Do you have any thistle tea in your bags or bank?
runic hinge
do one key and don't fail
Yeah I’m working on it
austere willow
i just got rid of them at first it was using the extras i had but now its not hitting any of the 3 charges it comes with
@runic hinge
runic hinge
desert spire
Question for yall: Ive been doing some sims and its showing the old vanish build is ahead for me. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p2iApz8kS84R1vdidM1UBX
balmy condor
yep
desert spire
Is there something, I am missing?
keen spruce
wot in tarnation is cleave add
desert spire
Yeah I seen it, I just want sure if I messed up my sim some how.
runic hinge
VV better when there’s adds cause it’s tiny bit more caustic ?
balmy condor
I mean not on cleave add im ngl
runic hinge
Oh
desert spire
I mean you're also simming cleave add
Only reason I did with adds is because my guild will be on bandit.
dapper cradle
Whispyr is here 
keen spruce
I've probably spent more hours on raidbots than in raid and idk wtf cleave add is
dapper cradle
keen spruce
desert spire
okay, but can you explain to me what cleave add is
One arm bandit has more adds on mythic or am I just looking at it wrong.
desert spire
Ohhh
balmy condor
yes but you don't know what you're simming is the issue
cleave add very specifically is 1 add with around 60% uptime throughout the fight
it doesn't model bandit at all
dapper cradle
Simming a fight > actually doing it
fiery salmon
this might be a weird question but how much do optimal substats matter? should i even bother flexing to assassination with primarily verse/mastery gear from sub?
desert spire
Ah, I get what you mena,
dapper cradle
this might be a weird question but how much do optimal substats matter? should i...
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
balmy condor
this might be a weird question but how much do optimal substats matter? should i...
not much
fiery salmon
gotcha, thanks y'all!
balmy condor
Ah, I get what you mena,
so the thing is, with how assassination plays, we just sim 1 target patchwerk for all the fights, and then infer our way from there depending on the fight since we can't directly (and probably shouldn't) try to sim fights
VV is better in execute for example because of blindside
so playing it on bandit/mug'zee which have non-trivial execute phases
is probably better
desert spire
Thank you for the information.
spice surge
VV does more spatter damage too
loud hawk
guys when i am on Vanish in Single Target, do i spam Ambush or Improved Garrote ?
balmy condor
garrote is a dot
blazing pumice
you don't use ambush outside of blindside or applying dm
balmy condor
overwriting it would be an issue
blazing pumice
has that changed?
balmy condor
ambush during subterfuge?
blazing pumice
ye
balmy condor
ye, what's the issue with that?
blazing pumice
nothing, didn't realise it was better than mutilate now
balmy condor
when was that not the case
oh I guess mutilate was better than ambush in amirdrassil
loud hawk
so it be good with: Imp Garrote -> Ambush -> (Last second Subterfuge) Again Imp Garrote ?
balmy condor
so it be good with: Imp Garrote -> Ambush -> (Last second Subterfuge) Again Imp ...
sure that's fine
fleet pagoda
broken logs, broken augs 
loud hawk
ty
fleet pagoda
good times
worthy rose
whenever i check my dps parses im like solidly 50% of rogues
mad average
but im like bottom 30 of my ilvl
what is this tragedy
fleet pagoda
don't worry about ilvl parse
worthy rose
im ok with being mad average but damn bottom 30% is right to the e-peen
silk sundial
Ignore all the of the enchant and gem combinations. But I finally got to the point where 2 fully upgraded myth track rings is the same as a cyrces. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oaTkLSQv48cnYkScTCuCEU
timber meadow
haven't played in like a week. bleed build still good? my st just feels bad in M+ and idk what to do
wicked valve
Hero house of cards simmed lower than my current trinket setup, and I'm very confused.
Is it cause it's 1.5 cd and DM is 2 min?
fleet pagoda
haven't played in like a week. bleed build still good? my st just feels bad in M...
bleed still good. if boss is dying before you can press DM a second time with execute it'll feel extra bad but your key won't be in danger
timber meadow
well, to be fair, you have no idea if my key will be in danger
worthy rose
just curious whats everyones mythic rating here
fleet pagoda
if bosses are dying in under 2 minutes then boss damage won't be the barrier to a timed 
worthy rose
im assuming everyone here is really high just due to the server being biased to people seeking to do better
nimble tartan
im 3k in chess and in m+
worldly sail
you can only speak here if you are high rated in m+ (1k+)
timber meadow
bro out here higher rated than magnus carleson
worthy rose
its crazy how magnus cant climb to 3k himself because everyone else is too shit compared to him
he gains nothing when he wins and tanks mad point losses when he loses
nimble tartan
thats my little brother lol
timber meadow
its crazy how magnus cant climb to 3k himself because everyone else is too shit ...
hes not 3k
haughty flicker
magnus omarsson
timber meadow
ye 2837 I think
timber meadow
thats what google ai told me so thats my story and im stickin to it
worthy rose
and in a mad losing position
and magnus was drunk af
and he took one look and was like "dafuq let me take over"
balmy condor
im assuming everyone here is really high just due to the server being biased to ...
many people here aren't as good as you think they might be
runic hinge
many people here aren't as good as you think they might be
Yeah like me
worthy rose
many people here aren't as good as you think they might be
i know how bad i am surely people cant be worse
timber meadow
many people here aren't as good as you think they might be
cerulean socket
Would it be bad if I just stacked as much master as I can?
balmy condor
wouldn't really be good
haughty flicker
it would be hype though
timber meadow
ye kinda based tbh
cerulean socket
are there certain breakpoints I bneeda meet or somethin?
timber meadow
nah
timber meadow
are there certain breakpoints I bneeda meet or somethin?
do you know how to sim?
thats prob the best way to figure out what gear to put on
balmy condor
Hero house of cards simmed lower than my current trinket setup, and I'm very con...
how much lower
balmy condor
are there certain breakpoints I bneeda meet or somethin?
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
fallow canopy
wouldn't really be good
Am I tweaking or did you add a target condition to ctw when using VV to your wa pack?
balmy condor
I did
fallow canopy
Goat
uneven widget
How should dmg breakdown for M+ look like with bleed build?
timber meadow
just a psa, the temp control in my apartment is still broken so its 78 degrees in here and im fried
fallow canopy
same logic is present on CT
Nice good shit
runic hinge
Is CT pandemic in?
balmy condor
yes
runic hinge
Okay I update
fallow canopy
Tbh I thought the WA was imploding since I kept changing between MA/imp gar and VV like 10 times in 20 min
timber meadow
anyone peep dh sims btw? they're def smokin'some good shit over there
timber meadow
its actually wild lmao
balmy condor
like completely unreadable to a human idk how they maintain it
they're doing like gcd math and shit in there shit is crazy
you can't convince me anyone plays like that
unironically havoc sims might be the least human
balmy condor
Ignore all the of the enchant and gem combinations. But I finally got to the poi...
also
no no no
fallow canopy
Bro thought he was out
cerulean nest
how's elusiveness on one armed bandit?
haughty flicker
hardy creek
guys am i macroing house of cards to deathmark
fleet pagoda
good
haughty flicker
wtf did whispyr run a whole ass top gear sim to make this guy stay in circlet prison
fleet pagoda
guys am i macroing house of cards to deathmark
yes
lavish geyser
How does this make sense? would this suggest I have just hit a dr on mastery? im talking about the crit mast + dawnthread being worse then vers haste, duskthrread
buoyant herald
How does this make sense? would this suggest I have just hit a dr on mastery? im...
you'll almost always hit a DR on your "best" stat, it's how much value it retains into 1st, 2nd, 3rd DR levels etc
little relic
i know how bad i am surely people cant be worse
Hold my beers
buoyant herald
looks like it's enough to make other secondaries more appealing
my sims want me to enchant rings with cursed vers for example 🙃
lavish geyser
lol. yeah i actually havent simed enchants for assa. but im able to gear both outlaw and assa at the same time, very well
which is awesome
buoyant herald
as you can probably tell i also play a bit of both
buoyant herald
but im into myth prog stage where i can't play HO trick anymore so
here we are, chasing the mastery dragon i'd previously been dodging like the plague
but now i have too much 😂
lavish geyser
I just play KiR tbh. might swap to ho as well. had one pull on stix where I got 2nd, but sadly we a guildie just ran into a bomb -.-
buoyant herald
im not a HUGE KiR fan tbh
lavish geyser
rly?+??? damn. I cant picture myself playing HO tbh
buoyant herald
and assass is more brain off for mechanic heavy fights
dapper cradle
is having secondary stats good for assassination?
buoyant herald
no
loud hawk
in the bleed build for M+ , which i have both <blindside> and <Thrown Precision>,do i use Fan of Knives on 2+ or 3+ targets ?
runic hinge
is having secondary stats good for assassination?
No. Reject secondaries embrace agility
runic hinge
in the bleed build for M+ , which i have both <blindside> and <Thrown Precision>...
!fok
dapper cradle
based
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
loud hawk
ty
runic hinge
You’re welcome
haughty flicker
np
lavish geyser
and assass is more brain off for mechanic heavy fights
it really is. where outlaw is the COMPLETE opposite
buoyant herald
so im assass on sprocketmonger
royal hazel
Losing death mark on rik reverb is annoying
buoyant herald
then OAB and mugzee has meaningful execute
and spatter in the cages
so assass looking good for the next wee whjile
for me
lavish geyser
im just fatebound on sprocket
muted nebula
can someone tell me whats wrong with this
buoyant herald
are we being marked out of 10
worthy rose
oh
shiv before evenom and shiv before kingsbane
shiv before deathmark too id imagine
*after deathmark
i mean
cunning needle
can someone tell me whats wrong with this
if you want actual advice post a log in !log
seeing a random screenshot of details
muted nebula
how can i post my log sorry
cunning needle
doesnt help
coral ibex
@balmy condor did you hear about official old school maplestory
is that a thing you care about
cunning needle
!logging
prisma monolithBOT
Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage
Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/
cunning needle
nope not that
spice spire
if you want actual advice post a log in !log
I have to manually thread them here
buoyant herald
you should be using spatter over IB for that fight but otherwise there's not enough info to help, we can't see abilities below IB
spice spire
spice spire
you should be using spatter over IB for that fight but otherwise there's not eno...
Details tells nothing
Logs tell all
buoyant herald
i mean it would tell us if he'd forgotten to hit DM entirely
cunning needle
i know there's a command for how to post logs as well
spice spire
Not in this channel
cunning needle
!wclog
cunning needle
!wcl
prisma monolithBOT
Getting Started with Warcraftlogs https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341
Logging your combat is a very powerful tool, and the main way of finding mistakes and improving yourself. Logging your raid, mythic+, or even just when you hit a dummy can be great way to learn!
Here's some common things to look at for rogues:
Checking your resources/overcap: Table -> Resources -> Energy/Combo Points from the dropdown
Buff Uptime and trigger amount such as adr/envenom/symbols: Table -> Buffs
Checking casts: Timeline -> Casts (shows sequencing) or Table -> Casts (for cast overview)
spice spire
Ty
digital stirrup
should you spend cp into first boss flood or just spend envenom into the adds
grizzled mist
is there a macro for whetstone anywhere?
balmy condor
is that a thing you care about
It’s like classic wow I guess. Will bring in a ton of old heads craving a nostalgia hit, it’s a completely different experience so like cool I guess
I don’t really care for it
coral ibex
i see
one of my buddies has been playing old school maplestory private servers for years
balmy condor
Yeh
coral ibex
so he's pogging big time rn
balmy condor
There’s definitely a market for it
cunning needle
It’s like classic wow I guess. Will bring in a ton of old heads craving a nostal...
is it pre big bang?
balmy condor
I’m more hyped for the new class and all the QoL they announced
balmy condor
is it pre big bang?
Yes
cunning needle
coral ibex
i could never get into maplestory
harsh anchor
when whispyr maplestory guides
balmy condor
<:Hmm:981394219732181032>
Back to the days of 20 minute flights between regions just to get ganked by a balrog and die
God bless
balmy condor
when whispyr maplestory guides
I mean technically already did for my friends but they’re all spreadsheets
cunning needle
Back to the days of 20 minute flights between regions just to get ganked by a ba...
okay you dont need to call me out like that
timber meadow
they're doing like gcd math and shit in there shit is crazy
"actions.ar+=/soul_cleave,if=!buff.reavers_glaive.up&(variable.double_rm_remains<=(execute_time+(action.reavers_glaive.execute_time+action.fracture.execute_time+action.soul_cleave.execute_time+gcd.remains+(0.5*gcd.max))))&(soul_fragments<3&((buff.art_of_the_glaive.stack+soul_fragments)>=20))"
balmy condor
"actions.ar+=/soul_cleave,if=!buff.reavers_glaive.up&(variable.double_rm_remains...
So simple
lavish geyser
is the opener in the stealth build the same as in the no stealth build? i have just been doing, ambush, 2x garrote, 2x rupute, garrote. and so on.
harsh anchor
no stealth build, what's that
balmy condor
If you don’t have a buff and some variable that checks the duration of a buff is less than the time it takes for fracture and soul cleave to hit, plus the gcd remaining until you can cast, plus half of the gcd
And if that’s try and you have less than 3 fragments and your art of the glaive buff + your fragments (which is between 0 and 2) adds up to 20 or more
Then cast soil cleave
lavish geyser
that is just the induction one
haughty flicker
pulsar ice
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
heady elbow
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are boot/wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+
Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
timber meadow
If you don’t have a buff and some variable that checks the duration of a buff is...
oh i was on vengeance... this is a single line in the actual apl
talent.essence_break&(cooldown.essence_break.remains<gcd.max2+5talent.shattered_destiny|talent.shattered_destiny&cooldown.essence_break.remains>10)&(cooldown.blade_dance.remains<7|raid_event.adds.up)&(!talent.initiative|cooldown.vengeful_retreat.remains>10|!talent.inertia&!talent.momentum|raid_event.adds.up)&(active_enemies+3>=desired_targets+raid_event.adds.count|raid_event.adds.in>30-talent.cycle_of_hatred.rank6)&(!talent.inertia|buff.inertia_trigger.up|action.immolation_aura.charges=0&action.immolation_aura.recharge_time>5)&(!raid_event.adds.up|raid_event.adds.remains>8)&(!variable.trinket1_steroids&!variable.trinket2_steroids|variable.trinket1_steroids&(trinket.1.cooldown.remains<gcd.max3|trinket.1.cooldown.remains>20)|variable.trinket2_steroids&(trinket.2.cooldown.remains<gcd.max*3|trinket.2.cooldown.remains>20))|fight_remains<10
haughty flicker
vague raft
can you precloak rockets on gallywix to not get assigned?
coral ibex
why does the balrog one shot you on the ship @balmy condor
haughty flicker
why wouldnt it
coral ibex
bruh that's like if you're just on the airship to tirisfal from org and deathwing just shows up and puts you in the dirt
haughty flicker
it builds character
balmy condor
why does the balrog one shot you on the ship <@167090536602140682>
Idk can’t remember
But I think so
balmy condor
bruh that's like if you're just on the airship to tirisfal from org and deathwin...
Yeah except the zep tirisfal from org has the same cadence
But the zep doesn’t take 20 min
:)
coral ibex
that's some good shit man
i love old games
they just kick you in the teeth for no reason
obtuse cosmos
alt rogue here - can craft 2 675 daggers and one 658 off piece or a 675 dagger, 658 offhand and 675 off piece - any suggestions?
unsure how important off hand damage is
obtuse cosmos
cool, thanks guys
long hawk
uhh question, when is the ideal time to pool for energy? just for yor cds?
prisma monolithBOT
- Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
- Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
- Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.
long hawk
bet ty
wraith burrow
Are yall swapping you CS to adds on mythic reverb?
spice surge
!rik
prisma monolithBOT
Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)
- Not your problem.
- Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
- If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
- Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels: - Swap to Subtletly.
native turret
gilded oasis
sonic schooner
he 2 gud
spice surge
slim copper
Hey its me ya boi back with another stupid question...
Is there any way I can tweak my talents to be able to ramp up quickly for add damage on Gally? They dont tank them up by Gally for whatever reason
I feel like i know the answer already but...
near valley
!richard
prisma monolithBOT
hidden bay
@balmy condor surely you can sim something for me cuz i am giga busy rn, right?
haughty flicker
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> surely you can sim something for me cuz i am giga busy rn,...
I’m bowling but uh
Sure maybe?
balmy condor
gilded oasis
I’m bowling but uh
surely you have nothing better to do than run sims for other peopple
keen spruce
cerulean walrus
pliant remnant
lean plover
Whispyr trying to get that water sponsorship with a bowling team
muted nebula
ok i got my logs for one armed bandit
can please someone check it
i am doing horrible dps for bosses
170M
what am i doing wrong ?
muted nebula
kingsbane only work depends on shiv ?
lean plover
Kingsbane depends on you applying poisons
muted nebula
you're not using spatter
which is ?
tawdry halo
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
lean plover
the choice node with internal bleeding
muted nebula
ah i see i got this build from icy veins
tawdry halo
Boss specific builds in the wowhead guide
keen spruce
but it's also hard to see what you're doing wrong without a link to the log
tawdry halo
But you should run caustic on every boss that isn’t lockenstock
keen spruce
that screenshot doesn't look like a kill?
muted nebula
but it's also hard to see what you're doing wrong without a link to the log
i tried to get a link but i didnt know how exactly
keen spruce
just copy paste the url
muted nebula
keen spruce
oh normal, that's why the casts look different
lean plover
then you should check opener and read your talents
hardy rapids
Practice on training dummies Im not kidding
keep doing that
and itll click somehow
lean plover
and i really followed
No you didnt, Kingbane was your 5th global, and you used desthmark 20 seconds after
runic hinge
Shmeeps has better gear than you and he hasn’t logged in since February
keen spruce
but idk how the rotation has changed this patch so someone else can sort you out
runic hinge
It hasn’t
keen spruce
but I know enough to know that opener ain't right
lean plover
Its your 2nd day as assa, watch/read guides, and go practice at training dummy
keen spruce
Shmeeps has better gear than you and he hasn’t logged in since February
oh I actually do 
muted nebula
do u have a good guide or vid ?
lean plover
cant expext to watch a video and suddenly play the class perfectly
keen spruce
do u have a good guide or vid ?
pretty much wowhead for everything
lean plover
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
keen spruce
will all of your needs
lean plover
Wowhead/icy veins guides should be good
runic hinge
Come back after you hit dummies for one hour
muted nebula
i wil check wowhead guide
muted nebula
Come back after you hit dummies for one hour
i will work on that tomrrow 4 am already
keen spruce
muted nebula
not the best time to study rogue xD
runic hinge
I stg I hit dummies for like one hour a patch during df and now I’m very average
So think you could be as good as me in like 4 hours
muted nebula
the idea is
runic hinge
lol gn
muted nebula
i played monk and warrior without guides and i was going top 5 dps in heroic
thats what scares me
i know those classes
way sooo ez
keen spruce
rogue is pretty easy, but it does require some conceptual knowledge
about how stuff interacts
it won't take long to get it down
muted nebula
tbh i used to play rogue on most mmo games but in wow it sacres me idk why
runic hinge
If you just keep dots up and dm>shiv>kb you’re like 80% of the way there
dapper cradle
what's the fattest dry shivs you goobers are hitting
runic hinge
On vexie or no amp?
dapper cradle
outside of damage amps
runic hinge
Hmm. I’d have to look
coral ibex
13m
muted nebula
but thanks guys i will read the guide very well and go f**k the dummies i will be back with the feedback tomorrow
runic hinge
Hell yeah
runic hinge
dapper cradle
I just went feral on a costco rotisserie chicken
costco 'tiss goes hard af
well done soldier
runic hinge
I’m tryna play feral Druid alt
keen spruce
feral just feels like
sharp hill
can someone take a look at my rik kill and give any pointers? the other rogue we got just gapped me by a lot, idk how. seemed like most of our casts were same number but it was just a huge difference in damage
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Q3H7FaGmTP4R2ydL?fight=33&type=damage-done&source=18
keen spruce
feels miserable to manage bleeds compared to ass
dapper cradle
you get a fat dopamine spike every 2 mins withconvoke
runic hinge
Gotta pool to build and pool to spend. It’s so sick
keen spruce
can someone take a look at my rik kill and give any pointers? the other rogue we...
u kinda stopped doing damage at the end of the fight for some reason
runic hinge
But wait! You take a talent so your bleeds are off every 3 seconds
sharp hill
u kinda stopped doing damage at the end of the fight for some reason
i died at the end thinking i had evasion to stand in the amp thing or w/e
runic hinge
That will do it
sharp hill
feels like he was gapping me through the whole fight tho
his caustic was higher i think, but feel like was doing things properly
sharp hill
was the death really it? i feel like i did so bad whole fight
buoyant herald
an entire round of CDs in execute is massive
keen spruce
you actually had better GCD management and got more casts off
of basically every ability
buoyant herald
yeah the breaking news that dying is bad for dps is a bit stale lol
keen spruce
they crit 48% of their envenoms though and you only crit 31%
so you kind of just got edged out by RNG for more of the fight
then lost like
all of your damage
in execute
cuz deadge
sharp hill
damn, i was thinking the whole i was doing it all wrong and griefing myself
keen spruce
i mean look at this execture burst from the other rogue
it's like 50% higher peaks than any other time in the fight including blood lust
accounts for an enormous amount of damage
sharp hill
fuck me then. i did grief myself with no evasion but i guess other than that i did alright
dark arrow
does anyone know which of whispyrs videos discuss sin in M+? been playing with it the last 2 days and find i'm struggling with it. Wowhead guide gives me the jist but I find things click with me better with video guides.
sharp hill
every week i did play a diff spec, first sub then outlaw and now back to sin
sharp hill
ty for the help tho, appreciate it a lot
keen spruce
ty for the help tho, appreciate it a lot
dark arrow
what kind of questions do you have?
i'm struggling with my energy management. I find i'm often low energy and my thistle teas are being auto used so when I get into cd's I don't have much energy and no teas. Also finding tanks are chain pulling a lot and I can't get back into stealth so spreading bleeds is difficult.
keen spruce
in single target, your energy is going to stink
that's just how the spec plays
restealths are a lot less important than you think, and you can often drop combat by staying away from the new pack until the old mobs die out
or, if more than one mob gets chained in, just use the energy refunds from the current ruptures to manually spread bleeds on the new targets
dark arrow
I was playing sub for a long while so maybe i'm also just hitting buttons too fast and blowing my energy quickly. Haven't touched sin since last patch and its not feeling like it was last patch. also just rusty. I just did a cinderbrew 10 at ilvl 668 and only did 2.76m dps overall.
keen spruce
the main thing is getting as many bleeds out as possible in AoE
dark arrow
or, if more than one mob gets chained in, just use the energy refunds from the c...
yeah thats what I was wondering. I was trying that but was having a hard time reacquiring my initial primary target.
keen spruce
that saturates your energy and you basically can't run out
idk the ins and outs of the bleed build now except that it doesn't have KB but I'd imagine the general concepts are the same
probably less strict because you're not managing that CD
in a +10 mobs are probably dying pretty fast
so just by the nature of assas being a dot class, you're going to do less damage
dark arrow
idk the ins and outs of the bleed build now except that it doesn't have KB but I...
it doesn't have KB? interesting. I am using the spec on wowhead.
keen spruce
until mobs can live long enough
WoWhead has been updated
idk when this all happened
but either way
concepts are the same
spread a bunch of bleeds then hit CDs on a big guy
shy heron
it doesn't have KB? interesting. I am using the spec on wowhead.
Pins are always a good peek too
low hare
so bleed is now better for like 10s?
keen spruce
i have no idea
dark arrow
until mobs can live long enough
fair enough. The DH in my group was doing 3.91m, druid 3.16m and like I said I was doing 2.76m The keys I was doing last night was generally similar. I couldn't finish about 3m while others were like 3.4-4m overall. I was usually able to keep myself just at or slightly below 3m on sub and was hoping by switching to sin I could keep up better. Sub just seems to be struggling to keep up damage as the key progresses, and archon is showing sin overall performing better damage (in raid at least).
keen spruce
i think it's just better period
keen spruce
fair enough. The DH in my group was doing 3.91m, druid 3.16m and like I said I w...
yeah in low keys dot classes just take a long time for their damage to ramp. Like even if crimson tempest is going to do 500m damage in a pull over 12 seconds, but your other dps kill the pack in 5s, there's really no way for you to squeeze any more damage out of there
I'm sure there's things you could be doing better as well, but without seeing a full dungeon log
balmy condor
That’s what bleed build is for
keen spruce
it's kind of hard to know
balmy condor
Sudden demise goes crazy
dark arrow
yeah in low keys dot classes just take a long time for their damage to ramp. Lik...
last night I was doing 12-13 and was still about 2.7-2.9m dps overall.
did a motherload, priory, and floodgate
keen spruce
last night I was doing 12-13 and was still about 2.7-2.9m dps overall.
if you can find a dungeon log or a clip it would be easier to tell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaZbhJGJQok here's casual doing a 15
he has a cast tracker thing it looks like
idk how helpful it would be
dark arrow
don't think anyone was logging but i'll run logs next time.
keen spruce
depends on how you like to learn stuff
dark arrow
i'll check it out. thanks! I definitely learn better from watching and listening to someone explain things. Reading a wall of text my ADHD brain is like "Whats this blur of stuff?" lol
keen spruce
oh he doesn't explain anything in this, it's just group comms
but there's probably some knowldge to be gained
keen spruce
stark plume
I am looking for some direction in M+, is there a number of mobs that I should break away from focusing caustic spatter damage and just spam crimson temp?
I am parsing around 3.4-3.7 overall, but I feel like I should be doing way more than that
that is with a tank pulling roughly 3-4 packs that have around 3-6 mobs per pack
I am 667 ilvl, 23k mast, 12.4k crit, 3.5k haste, 3.6k vers
runic hinge
Ct is a dot
balmy condor
buoyant herald
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1280746470815043646/45...
as soon as i read that last line i knew in my heart of hearts that i'd see this before long
hidden bay
time to unequip circlet
runic hinge
I got big haste mini wheel so I flip every time
buoyant herald
nice! unequipping circlet feels like you've finally grown up or something
stark plume
hmm... thanks for the help.
stark plume
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1280746470815043646/45...
Thank you.
turbid quail
does pressing ambush vs mutilate with a blindside proc do anything like the weird thing with outlaw or does it not matter
high mantle
general question, if i craft an item say wrist, and i get a drop for wrist. I should be able to upgrade to same level without crest righ?
runic hinge
Yea
balmy condor
as soon as i read that last line i knew in my heart of hearts that i'd see this ...
‘Tis tradition
I must post gif the same way a bird must fly south for the winter
keen spruce
little relic
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1280746470815043646/45...
Just start asking for log ins and just play for them.
balmy condor
Just start asking for log ins and just play for them.
28.719% crit ooooooo no can do bud you’re gonna wanna recraft and get that back up to 29.3 AT LEAST
I see the problem, you didn’t crit
I would’ve crit there
shy heron
It's that easy
runic hinge
Fuck it. Boss dead
shy heron
It's fine next time you'll get it twice in a row
runic hinge
We ball
hollow talon
we use clear the witness in raid build with 2+ target right
earnest flume
true, next time is mine to shine, for sure
balmy condor
we use clear the witness in raid build with 2+ target right
Yes
keen spruce
viscid tide
so how do i work on my energy regen on single target i feel like i stay starved
keen spruce
!energy
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.
Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.
keen spruce
timber meadow
@balmy condor yo
timber meadow
oh ye, just wanted to say what's up
balmy condor
Oh
Not much
Bowling like absolute ass
First game was 227, second game I can punch out the back 6 for a 180
timber meadow
dude i thought bowling alleys were dead but that shit is so pakced its crazy
keen spruce
Covid really got all of the millenials out for the boomer sports
Golf courses and bowling alleys
goin crazy these days
timber meadow
golf is simaltaneously the most fun and most frustrating game ive ever played
keen spruce
It's cuz you can't blame anyone else
keen spruce
it a lot of sports u can just be like "damn they're really good, just got outplayed unlucky"
but golf is like, do the simplest thing imaginable
hit ball with stick
and your body is like "nah"
timber meadow
yeah its also that like one shot i hit perfectly, the next is a complete shank and im like whyyyyyyy
keen spruce
"imma throw it in the water"
timber meadow
just constantly chasing that feeling of the good shot
hidden bay
First game was 227, second game I can punch out the back 6 for a 180
washed
balmy condor
Update, I did not punch out for 180
timber meadow
keen spruce
runic hinge
balmy condor
166 new goal
slim copper
why alchemical chaos instead of mastery pot?
haughty flicker
because sim bigger
slim copper
ahhh
haughty flicker
👍
slim copper
so we just blindlessly listen to a robot? lol jkjk
balmy condor
why alchemical chaos instead of mastery pot?
Mastery flask nerfs your potion
You just remove your best stat from your potion for no reason
slim copper
ohhhhhhh that makes sense. Didnt think about that
silk sundial
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3SiMYLjzB4w3hNB2GbpQdb
Lol ty for fixing the sim. Not out of cyrces jail yet, but it is close
I made the vers/mast neck for sub and sin but i might as well recraft it to haste/mast now. Kinda gave up on sub, still no HoC 😦
dapper cradle
does pressing ambush vs mutilate with a blindside proc do anything like the weir...
nope there's no ambush bug with sin
just law
gray sleet
Wait why is my haste vers is simming so high
balmy condor
Probably because you have a lot of crit mast
gray sleet
aren't those our stats?
buoyant herald
here we go
gray sleet
Please
balmy condor
aren't those our stats?
Okay, if you do 1000 damage, and you can increase that by 60% and then multiply it by 10%
haughty flicker
im already lost
buoyant herald
ew maths
balmy condor
Is that better or worse than multiplying by 70% and 0%
turbid quail
nope there's no ambush bug with sin
ty friend
haughty flicker
just tell me what stat to use mr funny sim man
buoyant herald
Please
for a real answer, stats are never as simple as "stack x and y, avoid a and b" - the general rule is that the more you have of one stat, the more value the others gain in comparison to more of that same stat
balmy condor
Or you can think of a fence
buoyant herald
here we go
haughty flicker
lmfao
buoyant herald
you reckon he's gonna follow that up or just tell us to think of fences while he goes and does something else
lyric stirrup
is lfg broken? i cant list someone elses key or my key at a diff level
balmy condor
haughty flicker
am i multiplying the fence by 70%
haughty flicker
thats not a fence
balmy condor
Which more area
Bottom fence more area
Cause length and width are more balanced
Dps
Area
Which more dps
buoyant herald
speaking of balanced, check this shit out
balmy condor
Bottom stats
buoyant herald
balmy condor
Cause stat A and stat B more balanced
Or you can think of it like a burrito
Burrito is mostly rice
But no beans? Bad
buoyant herald
ok i like this analogy best
haughty flicker
beans make me gassy though
dapper cradle
beans make me gassy though
buoyant herald
apparenltly agility makes me gassy
haughty flicker
i hope you get banned soon
balmy condor
You can’t just make a burrito with rice and chicken and then close it up
hidden bay
i never had a burrito
low thicket
They fill it rice so they can put less meat in. Smh.
balmy condor
That’s a bad burrito
gray sleet
So just sim every single piece i have in my inventory to find the right balance between guac and beans and a little bit of rice
balmy condor
Ye
haughty flicker
just ask whispyr to sim it for you
gray sleet
Is there a special sim?
low thicket
sim the sin
haughty flicker
yeah he has the secret sauce
gray sleet
@balmy condor sim for me
buoyant herald
special guidewriter secrets they hide from the plebs, yes
sonic schooner
truth be told now
haughty flicker
speaking of sims ive been wanting to troll a bit on outlaw but holy fuck trying to get rid of mastery is hard
low thicket
buoyant herald
speaking of sims ive been wanting to troll a bit on outlaw but holy fuck trying ...
i think you're stuck on like 2k ish minimum just from tier bits
haughty flicker
ok i have like 30% though
sonic schooner
dont get rid of mastery, use it to play arcane, or sub, or monk, or idk anything
haughty flicker
after swapping gear
dapper cradle
what are the best burrito fillings
buoyant herald
pickled jalapenos
haughty flicker
toes
sonic schooner
outlaw just be bad with stats still and now have a haste tax on top of it
balmy condor
what are the best burrito fillings
The tongues of my enemies
gray sleet
Ok lets see
im currently siting at 1.8 with current combination with 660 item level lets see
How much the sims increases my dmg
balmy condor
1.8?
gray sleet
yes
balmy condor
haughty flicker
1.8
balmy condor
In… a raid build?