assassination

[rotund oak]

melees are bottom of the food chain

why not play a hunter or a lock for raids

or a mage

idk

[runic hinge]

okay i got 4 set and a signet

[rotund oak]

whats better on the rogue

[haughty flicker]

wtf

fix your transmog pls

[runic hinge]

do i have to?

[haughty flicker]

no but i would appreciate it

[runic hinge]

im just using dark ranger mog anyways

basic af

[gloomy heart]

its actually good?

[rotund oak]

its bis

[gloomy heart]

OH SHIT

HUGE

i dont have to do much raid then

[rotund oak]

house of cards legit one of the two bis trinkets

yup,u just need high delves for trinket

and keys

[gloomy heart]

i get this trinket but no tier pieces

L

[grim jay]

Hu

[rotund oak]

u can get like 1 from keys and catalyze rest

[grim jay]

Why not just farm pacemaker

[rotund oak]

and that

[gloomy heart]

Pog

i just came back to pve so

we take those

[grim jay]

What did you want him to get out of delves tho

[sick garnet]

can we sim dungeonslice as assa? 🙂

[grim jay]

We should

[rotund oak]

the delve trinket

is very big

[grim jay]

Which one

[rotund oak]

hold on

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

They are all worse than pacemaker last time I checked

[gloomy heart]

the mechanocore

[haughty flicker]

at hero track some can be better than pacemaker

but only one chance a week

[runic hinge]

energy drink also pretty good

[rotund oak]

yup mechanocore

[grim jay]

Mechanocore is so trash

Uptime gambling

[rotund oak]

[haughty flicker]

sussy baka drink was the best i had until i got pacemaker myth track

[rotund oak]

true

[red schooner]

I have a hero track mechanocore and a myth track pacemaker, I'm fucking set

Still champ track house of cards though

That I'm going to be fucking stuck with all season

[grim jay]

Myth Signet

But no myth 2nd trinket

[red schooner]

"hey we're giving you house of cards night one we were nice to you", fucker this is champ track why are you like this

[haughty flicker]

imagine not getting myth track signet and pacemaker in your first and third vaults

[grim jay]

I barely played last week, only raided

So today will be my 2nd socket

[red schooner]

Id like a signet, signet would be good, but maybe the vault shows mercy to me

[rotund oak]

raiding this season though

[red schooner]

Just maybe

[rotund oak]

is sus

[haughty flicker]

i did end up taking a socket this vault

[rotund oak]

just keys and pvp

[haughty flicker]

because crafted neck was better than the myth track glowtorc

and boots were from first boss

[red schooner]

Though I get an upgrade this week anyhow, got myth track gloves in my bags so I can catalyse

So it's fine

[haughty flicker]

so didnt feel worth to take

[grim jay]

The day we have insane burst on one of the specs will be the day I pvp again

Or if there is a sick looking illusion

[haughty flicker]

yeah this seasons enchant looks like shit

[rotund oak]

im compeling mfk@rs with light

[grim jay]

I still have myth track items to upgrade with crests

So I get upgrades aswell

[grim jay]

I mean we are pretty close to most offpieces being crafted again

So theres that

[red schooner]

Hell yeah

I need crests again, perpetually out of gilded

[worthy rose]

Apparently 2700+ mythic rating is top 10% of players

[red schooner]

Back to the m+ mines we go

[worthy rose]

That’s crazy

[grim jay]

Ye, need a few more for mythic dagger and then back to finishing the waist

[grim jay]

Of people playing m+

Its way higher on overall pop

[red schooner]

I slammed all my crests on Monday when I got the Richard dagger

[worthy rose]

That seems crazy

[red schooner]

I regret nothing

[grim jay]

Got that aswell, but didnt have enough left as I was working on the waist

[grim jay]

Having curve is pretty high up aswell on overall pop

[worthy rose]

Don’t think I’m gonna bother with the raid this time around

Seems like nothing good comes for rogue in raid that I can’t get from dinar

[red schooner]

Raid is kinda fun on HC

And it's decent on mythic as well purely because I'm on bench on stix prog

If I was on stix prog I'd have taken to drinking excessively

[grim jay]

Well considering you can get everything with dinars

Its just about when you get the stuff mostly

[gloomy heart]

read dm

[worthy rose]

How many items can we dinar?

3 was it

[balmy condor]

who knows

blizzard keeps changing it

[worthy rose]

House of cards and jastor diamond and probably the magnet if it’s 3

[grim jay]

Potentially anything between 1 and all of them

[balmy condor]

potentially not at all

who knows!

dinars can only be used on transmog and warbound gear

[grim jay]

Depends on when the patch drops, how the system works and everything

[grim jay]

That would be insane

[gloomy heart]

this?

[balmy condor]

it's good but not dinar worthy

[gloomy heart]

i dont think i should play on uses

[balmy condor]

like if you have a myth track version of magnet

[gloomy heart]

two* on uses*

[balmy condor]

it's very difficult to replace

why would you not play two on use?

[gloomy heart]

i have cards and magnet

should i play both?

[worthy rose]

Think so

[red schooner]

Ye

Card on deathmark, magnet in lingering

[balmy condor]

if it sims good for you then yeh

[red schooner]

It works out

[gloomy heart]

i mean im 643

anything finna sim well

LOL

[night cipher]

!stix

[worthy rose]

If I have a mythic 678 signet is there even a point for house of cards

[balmy condor]

well if you're 643, then you're probably not replacing that 655 magnet for a long, long, LONG time

[worthy rose]

Other than the outlaw and sub specs could use it

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/mozzarella-sticks-food-dip-mozza-sticks-gif-8283811154631537470

[red schooner]

To flex on the people without it

[grim jay]

Oh, wrong sticks

[worthy rose]

Fuck that looks delicious

[night cipher]

yooo I forgot to take stix build, can someone link it pls ?

[worthy rose]

But everyone will have it with dinars

[gloomy heart]

well, i have heroic house of cards in bag

[worthy rose]

I have a champion house of cards

[balmy condor]

[gloomy heart]

i could get pacemaker

[worthy rose]

Griefed my raid

[gloomy heart]

BIIG JUICE

[balmy condor]

could be better in m+ I guess depending on your crit chance

[worthy rose]

Relatively farmable for the hero

[worthy rose]

I have 31% crit

70% mastery

I think I’m too heavily into mastery

[balmy condor]

okay when I said depends on your crit chance

I didn't mean to hit me with random numbers

idk what the fuck that means

[gloomy heart]

im out dpsing ppl who are 665 wtf is happening

[worthy rose]

Gotta min max yo

This is the rogues discord

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[worthy rose]

You’re trying too hard while others are playing with one hand

[balmy condor]

read first bullet point

[south fulcrum]

i just simmed my assa - same talents / items etc - as i wanted to check bis item to pick - overall sim is 40k down from sunday - anybody else or i still fail to spot the difference ?

[balmy condor]

Idk what % anything means

[worthy rose]

Ok bet

I’m doing gucci

[grim jay]

Bugfix or caustic instead of IB

[gloomy heart]

ig i got insanely lucky doay

[balmy condor]

there was a slight reduction because of a bugfix to the sim but not 40k worth, probably caustic

[gloomy heart]

two bis trinkets

[blazing pumice]

just wanted to point this out

whispyr yelled at me

[worthy rose]

Heroic house of cards is crazy

Congrats

[grim jay]

Understandable

[balmy condor]

did you know it was bugged and not tell anyone

[south fulcrum]

i'm down from 2258 to 2218 😄 - and i do play IB actually in the sim - but thanks - thought the bug fix was on outlaw not assa - thanks

[balmy condor]

or

[gloomy heart]

ngl i didnt know if house was good, didnt read it or anything, just press roll and got a 100

[blazing pumice]

i have secret streamer knowledge

same reason i know bleed build is secretly shit and that's why streamers aren't playing it

[grim jay]

But Whispyr is streaming aswell

[balmy condor]

true

[grim jay]

Flaw spotted

Unless Whispyr is gaslighting

Withholding the truth

[balmy condor]

I'm hording all the io for myself

[fresh coyote]

Seeing as we take SBs instead of MA for M+ now, we keep energy under 50% for bosses, right?

No pooling (might be late to the party on this, but only just looked that SB is the go to, not MA). Haha.

[runic hinge]

Have you read the pins today

[grim jay]

Imagine io was actually a pool that has a fixed number of points and people would be ranked relative to eachother, sharing the total score points among them

[gloomy heart]

i hope i can hit a 30M envenom one day!

[grim jay]

Actually hording

[ebon olive]

So confused right now. How can a 6k Mastery Neck not be and Uprage if i wear Crit Haste and im currently only at 45% Mastery ??

[runic hinge]

Imagine you lost io for bricking keys

[gloomy heart]

should

[grim jay]

That would be hilarious

[haughty flicker]

because the robot says so

[blazing pumice]

they should replace io with a mvp system

[ebon olive]

That doesnt make sense to me 😄 Seems like Robot wrong

[haughty flicker]

you might regret saying that in the future

[grim jay]

Unlikely.

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[fresh coyote]

^^ Talking about Hybrid build, btw.

[balmy condor]

under 50% hybrid, over 50% bleed

[fresh coyote]

Thank you!

[ebon olive]

Where can i find Hybrid build ?

[blazing pumice]

in the bin

[ebon olive]

XD

[grim jay]

Wowhead as always

[ebon olive]

Ty

[grim jay]

No reason to play it tho

[ebon olive]

Well i have under 50%

[grim jay]

They were talking about energy brother

Not mastery

[ebon olive]

Ah ok

Thanks

[fresh coyote]

How so?

Always thought Hybrid was the best for higher keys tbf.

[grim jay]

Its worse in most dungeons

If not all

[fresh coyote]

Oh. Guessing that changed since the bleed build got buffed?

[grim jay]

It changed since sin got buffed, ye

[fresh coyote]

Okay! I'll look into it; thank you!

[grim jay]

It has better ST and roughly same aoe, while demise execute isnt simable

[fresh coyote]

Yeah. tbf Hybrids ST is lackluster, so it makes sense

[karmic breach]

is it possible to ss (boss) when you have to soak gaol on mugzee? so you can leave cage

[haughty flicker]

dont worry bleeds st is still lackluster

[karmic breach]

tried some timings but couldnt figure it out

[subtle tundra]

io check

[haughty flicker]

17000000000

io

at least

surely

[balmy condor]

I got all my 12's done need to do my 14's now that my internet is saved

[haughty flicker]

did you ever end up finding the quest for resilient keys

[balmy condor]

nop

[haughty flicker]

huge

[red schooner]

I'm gonna get 3k this season I'm just waiting til I get 678 ilvl

[subtle tundra]

your pushning

[red schooner]

I hate pushing but also, mount

[subtle tundra]

i think ive told my guild im quitting 15 times so far

they still dont believe me

[balmy condor]

myth signet

larg

[bronze pike]

big

[red schooner]

Quick, analyse his secondary stats to see what's optimal

[bronze pike]

im lowkey regaining motivation to do keys

[red schooner]

Is 68.83% mastery the play here?

[balmy condor]

need crest to finish chest and boots and then suck off the rest of the loot council for a fucking ring and hands

[red schooner]

Is this the secret sauce?

[balmy condor]

and then we done

[haughty flicker]

very lorg

[hidden bay]

theres noone. but its ok, i didnt want one anyway 👍

[balmy condor]

👍

[haughty flicker]

jastors isnt good trust

besides dinar soon trust

[balmy condor]

that's what you get for having insano trinket funnel mr herp

[hidden bay]

its true

[balmy condor]

your luck has turned aroudn

[subtle tundra]

yes... theres dinners....

im just hungry

[hidden bay]

atleast my DH gets good stuff 👍

[bronze pike]

..

im not motivated for keys anymore

im gonna rip aggro all the time..

[subtle tundra]

then dont!!!!!!!!!

[modest apex]

got heroic hoc in vault but for some reason its simming worse than hero signet of the priory?

[red schooner]

The robot works in mysterious ways

But we trust the robot

Praise be

[haughty flicker]

both are normally pretty close

if you already have one hero track no point going for the other

[subtle tundra]

worse as in 20k less dps or 2k

[haughty flicker]

200k less probably

[hidden bay]

Atleast 500k

[royal hazel]

Which rogue spec channel is most lively and largest

[hidden bay]

Obv this one

The rest is poop

[haughty flicker]

outlaw has a lot of yappers

but its kind of a quality vs quantity thing right

[royal hazel]

Ass is the real rogue spec ay

[fallen orbit]

this cant be worse

[royal lantern]

he said channel, not people with the biggest butts

[haughty flicker]

#assassination is the actual general channel

plus its the only channel with a cat thread

[steel ridge]

this

[royal hazel]

We are spoilt here

[hidden bay]

Ok????? Show butt then

[modest apex]

3k

[royal lantern]

and it created #1080572530554835072

the most important channel

[red schooner]

Cat and Stuart thread

Don't forget Stuart

[subtle tundra]

so basically equal

nothing new

[dawn seal]

hello

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-booty-shake-glorp-throwing-it-back-glorp-twerk-gif-15728514058189514652

[balmy condor]

they all have kinda up and downs, outlaw tends to have more messages/day on average cause half of them say 2 words before hitting enter

[hidden bay]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-noted-glorp-noted-glorp-noting-this-down-alien-cat-gif-11958671377507601335

[balmy condor]

but like in terms of actual talks, they're sorta similar

[red schooner]

Outlaw mains get twitchy when they've not hit a button in the last half a second, it be how it be

Perma ADR

[midnight mist]

not true !

[royal hazel]

I noticed rogues overall are the smallest percentage of all classes in m+. We must be a special breed.

[steel ridge]

#outlaw is leaking again

[balmy condor]

in the game*

[red schooner]

We're special but not in that way

[balmy condor]

rogue has been the lowest playrate class for a long time

[steel ridge]

try getting an invite into 12+ keys as a rogue, its hard

[balmy condor]

(basically since like wrath)

[neon lava]

i'd be trolling not the take signet even though i have hc house of cards riiight 😄

[red schooner]

What does the sim say?

[golden loom]

Take signet on god

[royal lantern]

kinda, yeha

still sim

[haughty flicker]

i only continue to play rogue because i did a bunch of quests on it and i feel obligated to stay on this character now

[neon lava]

signet 8k, hands 20k

but in the long run signet should be better no

[golden loom]

U can get hands from 10 billion places

[red schooner]

My rogue was my first character and doing content as other characters feels weird. NPC's calling an alt champion when the alt has done fuck all is weird

[golden loom]

There is only 1 of signet

[royal lantern]

ye

[royal lantern]

REAL

[haughty flicker]

me getting off a boat after being drafted into a war vs some random fucking ogres

[royal hazel]

I Legit only have a rogue

[haughty flicker]

getting onto another boat to a mythical island home of dragons and being treated as a close friend by some of the strongest beings on azeroth

that ive never met

[royal hazel]

M+ is kinda screwy with meta dedicating class picks.

[bronze pike]

instructions unclear, i gave tank 5 seconsds to gather aggro and i still die after my wake of ashes

[haughty flicker]

instructions unclear, tank body pulled everything so the instant i pressed starfall i died

[bronze pike]

next

im gonna be told, to give tanks 10 seconds to gather aggro

[royal hazel]

And those poor people not able to get groups becoz 3k. Albeit i am 3k

[bronze pike]

and im wondering, when can i play?

[royal hazel]

I digress. Rogues stay united.

[subtle tundra]

theres your issue

ret

[royal lantern]

you wait until the fotmdh casts fel devestation

[haughty flicker]

pulling aggro as ret is a dps increase

just press shield of vengeance

[royal lantern]

then you can go wild

[hearty seal]

rip
warned you tho

eh got a choice between myth belt and myth ring (thirs slot useless boots as always)

[bronze pike]

[bronze pike]

i still rip away

i think our healer "dc", one mob away from final boss

[royal hazel]

True true.

[bronze pike]

this vdh is doing 700k consistent damage tryan. i cna breath on the target and ill still pull away

no brand talents, last resort that procs on cd if he doesnt explode

using his rfirst 3 globals on a chains silence nova combo

man fuck purples

[balmy condor]

tf did I ever do

[haughty flicker]

down with purples

[ancient rain]

1/2 VV + Imp Poisons fk imp garrote/ma

[prime hull]

this all kinda sucks right

is that delve trinket useful if i have seaforium/priory hero track

[red schooner]

Does the sim say it sucks? Though on the face of it, doesn't look great

[red schooner]

Hero track mechanocore is pretty good, definitely worth a sim

[hidden bay]

looks like a socket week for you

Or you sim with max upgrade

[red schooner]

Yeah did you send them with max upgrade?

[prime hull]

The trinket was max upgrade because my existing trinkets are 665, the cloak wasnt. Probably better than a socket if i upgrade mythic track all the way i guess.

I'm still considering the delve trinket for keys though hmm.

[red schooner]

I'd say always sim vault options at max upgrade, because normally you're going to be maxxing out items you get from the vault anyhow

[sharp viper]

I agree, no point in simming them on 662

[peak lake]

Hey guys, actually simming for mug & galli (8/10 mn), and I'm having some rather strange results with trinkets.

Overall, I sim with Kezan 65 / Peacemaker 65 / Priory 65 and Junkmaestro 78.

For 5 minutes, I play Priory / Junkmaestro (makes sense).
It's during 8/10 minutes that things get strange, Kezan becomes Priory, which doesn't surprise me, but would Junkmaestro be better than Priory?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/64zuPiYf6XJjGxGE4foRWZ

[snow hamlet]

the same to me

[brisk forge]

is it worth to replace pacemaker 665 against a Suspicious Energy Drink 665 for 11k on sim? :S

[blazing pumice]

I suspect the sim doesn't take into account the bonus mastery on suspicious energy drink

I would also look at dslice

crit doesn't fair too well in bleed builds

[grim jay]

I wish I wouldve finally gotten the back by now

So dont shame it

Would catalyze it

[shy axle]

anyone having VV still simming higher than MA+imp gar?

[balmy condor]

ye

[shy axle]

whats the difference for you?

[balmy condor]

0.2

[balmy condor]

so this happens sometimes, especially cause you have a myth junkmaestro

I think the more concerning thing

what is this

[indigo mulch]

secret tech.

[grim jay]

No thats sub

And the icon looks different

[hearty reef]

how was the vault whuspyt

[peak lake]

haha nice one, i missclicked here

[balmy condor]

myth signet

[hearty reef]

[indigo mulch]

Double crafting for me this week unless i get a myth weapon from rik 😦

[grim jay]

Dang, are we brothers?

Like even more than usual

[balmy condor]

please god do not craft a second dagger

[indigo mulch]

I'm not that stupid. :p

Either ring+neck or ring+dagger upgrade

[grim jay]

Im upgrading dagger and waist

Vault is prolly socket

[warm vortex]

Don’t have a rogue vault

But got this lit hunter one

[peak lake]

So for you it's normal that the sim tells me to play without one use trink for the burst on long fights?

[warm vortex]

Took blood oath

Cause already have pacemaker

And blood has my bis stats

[balmy condor]

not unheard of, yes

[indigo mulch]

[warm vortex]

[peak lake]

👍 thanks

[warm vortex]

Idk how I’m so lucky with my vaults

Must be the rats

[indigo mulch]

So when you energy snipe barrels is it worth like going to china to rupture a barrel on rik?

[red schooner]

Rats stealing things from other people's vaults

[deft dome]

Currently for Delves / low M+ runs are we running bleed or spatter build?

[red schooner]

Bleed

[warm vortex]

Rats

Get him

[red schooner]

Shit

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-attack-rat-attack-have-at-thee-gif-11648161592664583090

[red schooner]

I've not opened my vault yet pls

[grim jay]

You rupture the close ones

[deft dome]

wowhead or there's a different one? (srry, boomer without too much time in hands)

[red schooner]

Wowhead one should be accurate

[deft dome]

thanks

[grim jay]

Wowhead always is accurate

Unless Whispyrs internet breaks further

[deft dome]

this is valuable, thank you

[neon lava]

Sims never sim multiple great vault options together?

[grim jay]

It sims what you put in there

So if you select them all

[neon lava]

Ye but what I mean it won't show 2 vault options as a final best upgrade, i'td always be just one no?

[sage spade]

should I play MA/Imp garrote instead of VV if it sims 16k higher?

[wispy apex]

Don't know what to chose. Myth track chest/legs and jastor sims about the same in ST while jastor is 20k ahead in aoe. I need opinions!

[balmy condor]

if they're marked as GV it'll only ever pick one

[balmy condor]

if you're comfortable vanishing then yeh, go for it

[cunning needle]

i'd pick jastor

[balmy condor]

VV is just easier to play tbh

[cunning needle]

since you can acquire myth track armor from raid

[balmy condor]

I think even if it sims slightly higher playing VV is just comfy

[cunning needle]

but gl rolling against 29 other people for jastor

[grim jay]

Jastor is rarer ig

But also dinars

[cunning needle]

dinner is going to be late

[grim jay]

Idk, what they said doesnt really clarify anything

[cunning needle]

you know the saying

bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush?

jastors on the finger is worth 3 in dinner

[grim jay]

Thats like

Kinda weird

No I dont know it

[cunning needle]

wait you really hvanet heard the bird saying before?

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bird-in-the-hand-is-worth-two-in-the-bush

[grim jay]

Its different around here

Ein Spatz in der Hand ist besser als eine Taube auf dem Dach

[cunning needle]

[grim jay]

A sparrow in the hand is better than a pigeon on the roof

Basically

[cunning needle]

good ol german industrialisation

cleared up all the bushes

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[ocean fable]

I had myth Pacemaker. Obvious choice

[vast shuttle]

just got the spark of fortunes have already crafted dagger neck boots. what is worth crafting?

[blazing pumice]

belt

back

ring

[grim jay]

Lowest ilvl offpiece

[blazing pumice]

it's all rng

depending on what you get from vault

[golden loom]

I have crafted weapon belt and helm

[vast shuttle]

have 678 ring so

[cinder steppe]

Does the FB ST build prefer any stat at all like the bleed build liking haste or it should be the same as Deathstalker? My FB sims +40k in ST but i dont know if its sim bait or not, and im wondering if playing it on sprocketmonger myth or not

[balmy condor]

fatebound wants crit

[cinder steppe]

And its normal that our damage is shit on that boss? Like im doing purple parses on some tries and classes like devoker or monk parsing grey are just ahead of me for like 400k kekw

[short tangle]

@balmy condor
Nothing much, but unchecked MA & IG still got this line on wowhead.

[safe patrol]

is kezan simbait in dslice?

[subtle tundra]

we are a execute class

[balmy condor]

hmmmm

[subtle tundra]

execute classes want a full boss fight to get to their real dps

[safe patrol]

if am not basing it on dslice sim, what would you guys run along priory here for m+

[balmy condor]

this is on the single target rotation?

[short tangle]

y

[subtle tundra]

dev is also frontloaded spec i believe, does more at the start

[balmy condor]

okay I'll take a look

[subtle tundra]

seaforium

[safe patrol]

cheers

[neon lava]

Are we still using double shiv for kingsbane or are we using 1 dry shiv for big envenom to reapply deathstalkers mark? I was under the impression dry shiv is the way to go now, but checking through some top logs and seems like all the rogues are double shiving kingsbane instead

[blazing pumice]

check cuz suspicious energy drink might be better

[balmy condor]

okay should be fixed

[blazing pumice]

if you upgrade it

[balmy condor]

can you link some of those logs?

I'm not seeing the same thing you are I think

like just a quick check of lorrgs most people are doing it

those shivs at 40-48 are all dry shivs, same with the dry shivs at 2:45ish

same thing on lockenstock

[golden loom]

Outside of stix bunkjerker I dont see a reason to not dry shiv

Big dam

[balmy condor]

I mean stix in general is a mess cause stix logs are "how hard can I pad"

same thing with rik

[red schooner]

Stix when the dry shiv hits when the boss is surrounded by hyenas though

[balmy condor]

like the trick to parsing on rik is being lolae and doing 160mil caustic damage to barrels

[golden loom]

Not only that but timings are just weird

[grand trail]

Stix is all about when you get to roll

[royal lantern]

it is, yeha

[neon lava]

I was checking the logs manually of gallywix, but now that I checked lorrgs I am seeing the same thing as u. What are the chances that I handpicked the ones that were not doing it for the most part lol

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean sometimes it just doesn't line up

[golden loom]

Our giga ret pumper is on 3rd tank duty on rik today so maybe I get to padd on melee barrels

[balmy condor]

seal fate rng can cause you to be out of sync for a dry shiv

and then you just hold it

[royal lantern]

nah, you jinxed it, the barrels will spawn giga spread now

[golden loom]

A man can dream

[royal lantern]

no

[brazen sluice]

if u raid and m+ , is the dmg diff between weapon enchant worth considering? ik radiant better for aoe and depth better for st and since we lack st is it good to run x2 depths?

[blazing pumice]

it makes fuck all difference and there's one st boss in raid

[vivid lodge]

in bleed build when do we use the shivs?

[red schooner]

Twice in deathmark, other shivs normally in zoldyck range

[humble verge]

FML

tier head, cape(crafted) and the ring

[deft dome]

is it just me or on assa nobody invites me to their raid? On sub no problem, but on assa it's hard

[humble verge]

im already overburdened by mastery

sadge

[subtle tundra]

i doubt anyone checks your spec

[royal lantern]

^

[blazing pumice]

idk how that new wlog addon works

maybe you have dogshit sin logs

[humble verge]

i remember when people invited based off ilvl, now people check logs, your rio, your credit score, if you have any outstanding warrants, are you married or divorced - and so forth

[red schooner]

Last pug asked me for a sample of blood, shits wild

[proud pelican]

Got denied from a 10 because my cars inspection sticker was overdue

[humble verge]

this is why i quit pugs

but then again, my guild makes me donate my plasma to pay for cauldrons every week so theres that

[red schooner]

They asked me for proof that my mattress still had the label on once

[humble verge]

you tear the label off your mattress??

[red schooner]

Gotta rebel against the system sometimes

[sick snow]

Wowhead has our Stats as Crit>Mastery>Haste but Archon has them as Mastery>Crit>Haste, should i be stacking Crit or Mastery higher?

[jaunty sky]

[balmy condor]

you should be simming yourself

[red schooner]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[jaunty sky]

curve yesterday by laying on floor for 5mins

[humble verge]

fuck you (i love you)

[red schooner]

Ty moroes

[jaunty sky]

does that extra effect work now btw?

[golden loom]

I will get a speed+leech+avoidance+1 luck jastor from dinar

[red schooner]

This is the best way

[proud pelican]

I convinced my guild that the +1 luck adds 1 to your rolls every time you roll

[royal lantern]

you are just efficent

killing the boss while taking a nap

[jaunty sky]

first night i progged it on assa too

that swap from boss outside to adds spawn while boss moves inside again is so weird

that's when i died too

[viscid spear]

On our curve kill last night we pushed him to last phase before he did the second set of Fused Containers so I had to book it out of the Cratering.

Most of the group had moved out in anticipation of the Fused Containers since that second set happens right as he moves to another spot

[humble verge]

hehe, nice.

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[balmy condor]

what's it feel like getting gear

[humble verge]

with 2 socket vaults in a row, yes

[balmy condor]

yeah yeah

2 sockets in a row and full myth raid funnel

[humble verge]

idk about funnel

[brazen sluice]

i got all my gear at mythic except x2 trinkets and leg . if they open the guilded cap ill be atleast 675

[humble verge]

my first myth tier piece

[balmy condor]

just taking sockets cause you're already swimming in full myth gear

[humble verge]

i was literally INTERROGATED

"ARE YOU GONNA GET 4P WITH THIS YOU FUCKWIT?"

[viscid spear]

Taking sockets because your full vault has zero upgrades

[humble verge]

no, cause myth tier trinkets and other pieces wouldnt even give an upgrade to champ/heroic pieces

[balmy condor]

[humble verge]

me when the

[balmy condor]

bro I had to just bank 45 gildeds last week

cause i DIDNT HAVE MYTH GEAR TO UPGRADE

[humble verge]

i used 30 crests on my trinket

which is heroic

[red schooner]

I almost banked 60 but then Rik gave me his dagger and life is okay

[humble verge]

im still using champ hoc

[viscid spear]

I'm using champ eye

[humble verge]

honestly

hero pacemaker would probably be better than champ eye

atleast in m+

[inland escarp]

Such great loot design this tier 🥰

[viscid spear]

I'M TRYING

[humble verge]

wait

are you farming pacemaker

😭

[subtle tundra]

ok buddy

[viscid spear]

[limber lion]

Hold up, didn't I see a picture of you getting a Myth Priory from the vault?

[humble verge]

PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER PACEMAKER

[limber lion]

[viscid spear]

Only saw it once and the person was after it too

[subtle tundra]

you know you can be inefficient with crests, right? youll be max ilvl a week later who cares

[humble verge]

funny like

the first one i saw

dh tank > "50k?"

i told him to talon E

[hollow river]

[viscid spear]

Was in LFR on my Druid and a Rogue won HoC. He had double 665s so he started auctioning it off.

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-what-it-is-it-is-eet-eet-iz-iz-gif-17896182

[quartz hearth]

My friend plays Arms Warrior. Why is he less cool than you?

[normal mist]

He isn't

[humble verge]

inferior class

he has a tank spec

[normal mist]

He tanks as arms

[humble verge]

NOW THATS WHAT I CALL TANKING

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-boi-yeah-boy-aw-yeah-gif-18429021784265950345

[balmy condor]

this isn't about me

[humble verge]

KEK

[balmy condor]

ooh ooh I got this, because he plays arms and arms is a lame as fuck cobbled together uninspiring spec with no design direction

[humble verge]

damn, u on a streak today whisp

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/toji-fushiguro-megumi-fushiguro-megumi-toji-fushiguro-gif-214994245321834964

Arms are Chad

[balmy condor]

arms is an awful fucking spec

[normal mist]

In YOUR HANDS

YOU FILTHY ROGUE

[royal lantern]

wdym, its about doing big mortal strike hits in collosal smash windows

but most of your dmg is actually Dots ofc

oh and sweaping strikes is on the gcd ofc

🙂

[red schooner]

The opposite of us, shit

Meant to be all about the dots, instead we envenom

[balmy condor]

yeah yeah it's about doing big mortal strike hits in collosal smash but you're doing dot damage and also you have 3 fillers and mortal strike isn't really doing anything and also collosal smash has like 70% uptime and you can't aoe and there's a bleed speed up mechanic for god knows what reason and even though you're supposed to be the ME SWING BIG WEAPON guy, fury wears double 2h weapons and legit every animation on fury bodies the best animation on arms

you hit 35 buttons, none of them look cool, none of them feel cool, and none of them do damage

incredible spec

[spice surge]

Tfw arms has a good version of exsanguinate and assa does the big mortal strikes

[royal lantern]

[royal lantern]

warbreaker looks kinda cool

but then blizz decided to do a random "visual update" and now its shit aswell

[balmy condor]

isn't warbreaker just like

blue swords fall on the ground

idk

[spice surge]

Beats assa animations though

Or rogue in general

[royal lantern]

the new one yes

before that it was you jumping up and smahing the ground, making a crater under you for a couple seconds

which like, kinda fits

[balmy condor]

as much as we love numbers and whatever, specs that look cool and have a fun aesthetic are the ones that get played, that's part of why legion was so successful apart from world content and m+

[royal lantern]

but no, we need anime ghost weapon summoning for wow warrior

[balmy condor]

artifact flavor, class hall, spec rework for their own cool design

[red schooner]

Ret looks cool and feels good, so explains the popularity I guess

[balmy condor]

and somewhere along the way blizzard just kinda idk

[red schooner]

Though I'm not about the holy life

[balmy condor]

forgot that specs have identities

[spice surge]

Ive been saying for a while that if Secret Technique had a cool animation subs playrate would atleast triple

[balmy condor]

and we get like, grey echoing reprimand or something

[royal lantern]

paladin was ALWAYS popular, thats not a new thing

[red schooner]

Rogues had the best order hall though in Legion

[balmy condor]

yeh, or if the hero talents had like a sick design

[royal lantern]

you mean spending time doing that, and then removing echoing 2 months later from the game?

[humble verge]

sewer rat

[balmy condor]

trickster is just bleh, fatebound isn't cool, and deathstalker plays like ass

dunno

[red schooner]

Listen back in wrath any time I went topside in dalaran I risked the game crashing

[humble verge]

just remove rogue

[red schooner]

I lived in those sewers that expansion

[spice surge]

Like sub plays very similar to how it did in legion with DFA, yet people loved the legion one and think the current one is mid

Mainly because no DFA animation

[humble verge]

man

DfA

[royal lantern]

i mean, lets be real, rogue hero trees are just the rogue covenants all over again

quickly done at last minute and thats kinda it

[humble verge]

my beloved

became a FUCKING pvp talent

[spice surge]

They even made absoluetly perfect animations for kyveza, just copy-paste those for sectech

📈

[golden loom]

Kyveza is so fucking cool

[humble verge]

they stole killing sprees sound for queen webs

100%

first time i heard the webs

[jaunty matrix]

one of the best bosses they ever made

[humble verge]

"is that killing spree?"

[jaunty matrix]

every boss should be like kyveza in mythic

no rng bs

no auras playing the game for you

just dance

[golden loom]

Im so sad I never got to fight mythic kyveza

[royal lantern]

i know that, and i literally still agree with them

DfA just felt like a BIG hit

you and everyone could see that the BIG hit from the sub rogue is comming

secret tech is ambush.jpg once again

[humble verge]

CN court

[royal lantern]

rogue uses the same 3 animations on repeat all the time, its insane

[spice surge]

Ye i wasnt saying i wasnt agreeing or the opinion was dumb

[jaunty matrix]

and yet sub is still the "coolest" spec with his animations

so much potential

it could have so many cool shadow effects

[royal lantern]

eh, i think it looks silly because it chains the ambush animation so often with shadowstrike, and that looks really goofy

[golden loom]

Shadowstrike sounds/feels sick tho

Big fan

[jaunty matrix]

better than outlul pew pew pew pew or sin mutilate mutilate mutilate effects

pew pew pew is funny

sin is boring

sub is cool

[solid hemlock]

they just need to add spell animations, if proccing darkest night had a cool animation . people would enjoy it more - but all we got is a purple X above our marked target

[jaunty matrix]

[golden loom]

Sub is very cool

Like evis also sounds nice

[willow eagle]

The purple x is pretty cool since all party members can see it

[royal lantern]

and the purple x is hidden behind the plater HP bar anyway

[golden loom]

And shuriken storm

[royal lantern]

[golden loom]

I wish FoK just copied the sound from shuriken storm

[royal lantern]

sound and visual are 2 different things

sounds are ki da good on rogue in general

[golden loom]

Sound is way more important imo

[royal lantern]

but that has nothing to do with visuals

[golden loom]

Like sound gives the feel

[royal lantern]

mate, a big chunk of people play with sound off lol

[golden loom]

You cant really see animations during combat anyways

[harsh ravine]

can someone explain me the point of ttk over MA ? it sims lower so I don't understand why some ppl pick it

[solid hemlock]

blizz was in a rush with hero talents, so they polish the most played specs - they know they can get away with poor animations for rogues since we have barely any to begin with

[willow eagle]

Sudden demise could use an animation when it consumes bleeds and mobs die.

Something flashy for assa

[golden loom]

People that play any game without gamesounds are freaks.

[blazing pumice]

@harsh ravine it's for more st

[harsh ravine]

more st only when you aren't playing double vanish then, right ?

[blazing pumice]

no

[indigo sphinx]

Elder dragon league animation but red😂 It would need to be client side I reckon but someone get making an addon

[golden loom]

Needs smolder execute sound

HOLY

[indigo sphinx]

SO TRUE hahaha

[solid hemlock]

less punished for tank chain pulling, might speed up the dungeon - especially with pug tanks, you p much always have a vanish for the chain

[indigo sphinx]

Would unironically get me to turn on game sounds

[golden loom]

Smolder execute sound might be top 3

Of any game

[willow eagle]

I couldn't imagine playing without game sounds off tbh

I watched a guildie stream on discord with 0 sound

Was about to go crazy

[indigo sphinx]

I'm ngl it is bliss, just music and BW/WAs screaming at me

[blazing pumice]

@harsh ravine hybrid build is pretty dead in m+

[indigo sphinx]

Then sometimes I realise I don't have music on and am deeply connected to the countdown voice

Bad vibes for sure

[golden loom]

I honestly dont get it either

[willow eagle]

Yeah I just couldn't play that way, i need those visceral sounds

[golden loom]

Also people playing league without game sounds never made sense

[indigo sphinx]

See @stuck knoll tells me this, but I don't understand how he can listen to his warrior screaming and do DPS

[willow eagle]

Well some warriors have great screams

Depends on race

[stuck knoll]

I’m Irish

[golden loom]

I need to hear "I need more rage"

[willow eagle]

Male Dark iron dwarf and male worgen screams are bis

[indigo sphinx]

Trust me you don't wanna listen to that all day

[harsh ravine]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6mWURd8mhADovQAoBDx4vc
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6LC7cz3KiXqSUukS1wkPg9

[willow eagle]

Also male worgen adrenaline rush sound is awesome

[harsh ravine]

hm yes, but usually even in pug with double vanish & NE race we get stealth

[viscid spear]

AWOOO

[stuck knoll]

Imagine listening to music cringe

[royal lantern]

if you play worgen, its for the darkflight+sprint stack

[solid hemlock]

if you play NE you obv have more chances to get a re yes

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/got-to-go-running-run-run-fast-bye-gif-16162030

[willow eagle]

I occasionally get worgen from recalibrator

[viscid spear]

If you play Worgen you are a wolf on every level except physical

[willow eagle]

Also fun toy from this patch is the regoblinator if you want to troll your raid a little

[indigo sphinx]

When Kingslayer by BMTH comes on shuffle in raid is it at least a 10% DPS increase in execute I am telling you

You are missing out on gains

[stuck knoll]

I legit don’t even hear music if it is playing

[viscid spear]

Kool-Aid is pretty great too, but can't go wrong with some Babymetal

[stuck knoll]

I am just full focus

[viscid spear]

I just blast some power metal and go to town

[indigo sphinx]

100%

[indigo sphinx]

See, I don't hear your calls if music is playing... we are not the same

[stuck knoll]

It’s fine it’s not like you’d do the mechanic anyway

[red schooner]

Raid going well? Power metal. Raid going bad? Death metal

This is the way

[indigo sphinx]

Blindside was proccing, Charli XCX was bratting, dont @ me

[stuck knoll]

That is why you missed the bikes on Vexie?

[indigo sphinx]

Shhh that was a different issue

[royal lantern]

sorry, but i have no drivers liecense for bikes, so i wont touch them

[stuck knoll]

[indigo sphinx]

I will be using that one later thank you

[indigo sphinx]

I have multiple driving offenses yk

[quartz hearth]

When my raids are going well, I play bubblegum pop. When theyre going poorly, I play bubblegum pop.

[indigo sphinx]

Thats me in league tbf

[quartz hearth]

Its because of league

[jaunty matrix]

i turn the music off when things go poorly

[quartz hearth]

It mimics the toxicity.

sorry

minimizes.

[jaunty matrix]

even music is annoying when things go poorly

[quartz hearth]

My blood would one shot Gallywix. I'm toxic toxic.

[jaunty matrix]

[errant hawk]

can someone send me the macro for tricks of trades on tank?

pls

[earnest remnant]

no thats why she pressed SoD 3 times in a row

[stuck knoll]

[earnest remnant]

[spice surge]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[nova aspen]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[golden loom]

hahaha Signet last week now this

626 skardyns for a whole season paid off

[shy axle]

nice

[errant hawk]

tyy

[viscid spear]

[copper mural]

guys i need help on single target rotattion ( boss fight raid )
are you guys spend all of your energy ?
or stay above %50 ?
my tea macro with shiv ?

@balmy condor big bleed video btw ❤️

!Guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[royal lantern]

no you dont stay above 50% energy

yes you macro tea with shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[royal lantern]

all explained in the wowhead guide

[eager pond]

All bracers wth

[little tulip]

junkmasters magnet is kinda good i think?

no sorry mechano amp is the good one

lmao

[eager pond]

Got it on hero amp

[copper mural]

im out of energy too much is it normal ?

[shy axle]

do you take that keep above 50% energy in st with the m+ bleed specc very serious like, not mut when below 200e, no env/rup below 185 or is it just okaiy to sometimes dip a little bit below 150?

[little tulip]

all the fights have adds except sprocket, make sure you're rupturing dying adds for quick refills

[eager pond]

I guess back because mine is fk veteran yet, or sus drink on hero
But I have sus drink on champion

[upper wraith]

On mythic rik, are you popping CDs before adds come out? Seems like no matter what I do I can’t get my CS to do dmg

[small viper]

Just gearing my rogue, is it grief to craft 2 weapons if u dont mythic raid?

[agile wedge]

team any idea why i sim so low? comming from sub and yeah i simmed in cleave build cause its most likely what i play on most bosses. but it still seems very low

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fCrqD4Y8BJLUkv2mmmTU8y

[royal lantern]

yes

!Design

im stupid

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[shy axle]

for the rupture sniping, do you aim to get a as long as possible rupture on the mob or is it irelevant like the cp used, just have some rupture on it when it dies?

[agile wedge]

the tooltip says its relevant

like the more seconds the more energy

if i understood it correctly

[balmy condor]

more duration more energy, but it's not particularly important how you flip that

[nova aspen]

hi whisp

[balmy condor]

bye

[shy axle]

okay, so do you try to get a longer rupture on the add and let it sit or do you try to have him very low and put rupture on as one of the last gcds before it dies?

[balmy condor]

for the sake of this argument, doesn't matter

[shy axle]

ok thank you

[balmy condor]

for the sake of your rotation overall if the add is surviving for a long time that's not really sniping anymore is it

that's just like

being in aoe

[shy axle]

true

[small viper]

Just gearing my rogue, is it grief to craft 2 weapons if u dont mythic raid? dont see anyone on rio leaderboard who crafted 2 weapons xD

[balmy condor]

yes

offhand daggers are not only the least important slot for rogues, they are the least impact slot in the entire game across all classes

does absolutely nothing

[hollow river]

I would recommend simming it yourself but generally offhand weapon is low priority, depending on your current offhand’s ilvl

[balmy condor]

typically there's better upgrades to be had with 60 gilded crests before you would craft an offhand dagger, even if you have a champ track dagger or something

examples include: using them to wipe your ass, throwing them at a group of ducks like pieces of stale bread

and just literally anything else

[hollow river]

Ye for sure but you can also use other crests right

[crisp burrow]

So... when it comes to trinket, i just got my own hose of cards, I have a junkmaestro magnet and an eye of kezan, wowhead guide suggests mechano core amplifier and bloodmallet places signet on top spot, what are the best trinkets for raid content? house of cards+kezan?

[hollow river]

Still kind of a waste of a spark because you’ll replace it ig

[neat raptor]

What do you guys drop to get ironwire

[upper wraith]

@balmy condor hey pal, how do I make my caustic go brrr on mythic rik? Am I supposed to pop CDs as adds pop up or is there some weird timing I’m missing? Our add positioning sucks. Help!

[uneven ibex]

idk what the variance is of VV is compared to fatebound, but after some pulls on lockenstock the +40k sim dps seems nowherefuckingnear worth it when 3/4 pulls no capstone on opener

[spice spire]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[uneven ibex]

back to the bin

[balmy condor]

holy fuck you just spawncamped him man

refs do something

[upper wraith]

My legs!

[night moat]

vv is always better than imp garrote+ma in execute right?

asking for mugzee with 2x 2mins

[balmy condor]

technically yes

[golden loom]

vv = big ambushes in big execute sounds good to me

[balmy condor]

yeh

I don't think it's particularly impactful

but it's probably like 1-1.5% better

[crisp burrow]

best trinkets for raid is house of cards+Seaforium?

[golden loom]

and u can always just crit without MA

[balmy condor]

sure

[night moat]

i only care about sub 40% hp dmg so 1-1.5% sounds good

[fresh mica]

how much worse is signet crit proc than mastery proc, cuz i have the chance when the alchemical choas potion is crit with pacemaker proc i get crit from signet

[balmy condor]

pretty bad, but sims will account for that

[fresh mica]

in a big pull with prepot there is no issue

[balmy condor]

why are we prepotting in 2025

[dusky magnet]

This is just great...

[shy axle]

is the change from aertial to tiny blade in the wowhead st build with ds new or did i just oversee it all the time

[jaunty sky]

Just have enough mastery to make sure that can't happen

[fresh mica]

hmm makes sense

i can use kezan hc and just forget about that but is that worth in m+ kezan is kinda sketchy

[balmy condor]

dawg you gotta be insanely cooked

surely there's a better solution

[fresh mica]

i can recraft a bit

[jaunty sky]

no chance to ever get something that isnt mastery with signet

[royal lantern]

i dont even know what that is

[jaunty sky]

the stat numbers

[feral veldt]

just got blessed with a house of cards where does it fit into the opener?

after deathmark before kingsbane i'd imagine?

[jaunty sky]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[jaunty sky]

deathmark macro i assume

[agile wedge]

whats the max crit pacemaker can give you? and does it affect what signet gives you?

[feral veldt]

sweet ty i'll manufacture a macro with that

[jaunty sky]

3478 and yes

[agile wedge]

oh iam dumdum

[jaunty sky]

same for ascension and flask

[agile wedge]

i read like not the duration

but the number stacks crazy high

nvm sorry

[prime hull]

The pin about ambush/mutilate vs fan of knives target counts was removed, anyone know what the target count is when you start using fan of knives (and the proc from deathstalker) in bleed build/VV raid build?

[solar wyvern]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[solar wyvern]

this here good sir

[prime hull]

Thank you!

[balmy condor]

the wowhead rotation page dynamically updates the count with talent choices as well

I even separated it into a section

[prime hull]

Nice

[molten galleon]

Would you guys take the 0,8% Crit/mastery or 0,7% Mastery/haste but in the BIS list ? 🙂

[spice surge]

Speaking of, this tier with trinkets being so bland it was roughly equal for me to upgrade my belt and to upgrade my house of cards last week

[thick juniper]

Thank you!

[ionic pumice]

why droptimizer showing me that i should craft Siphoning Stiletto but i already got 2emblishs

[balmy condor]

My top gear earlier today thought I should take a hero track crit ring over a myth track signet, and it then suggested I put crests into boots and chest over my signet

Eventually I got it to give more sensible answers

But good god

[balmy condor]

Droptimizer doesn’t take embellishment limit into account

[ancient pendant]

Meow

[royal lantern]

both dungeon trinkets on mythic, why not

[iron vapor]

Hero track eye of kezan vs myth track legs was the quandary for me today, went kezan in the end on the basis that I'm unlikely to win the roll if it drops and we ain't killing mythic gally for some time anyway!

[iron vapor]

Vault of nightmares there, too many good choices!

[royal lantern]

?

its literally only the trinket

[balmy condor]

But imagine a hero house of cards

The possibilities are endless

[iron vapor]

HOC or seaforium

Oh shit, didn't see the ilvl for HOC

[balmy condor]

These epaulets are extravagant

[raven merlin]

the beg dps

[royal lantern]

dropping my mythic signet for heroic HoC in case i play sub

(lol sub)

[balmy condor]

Cooking

[quartz hearth]

I have a smol smooth brain. What is dryshivving, and why do we do it.

[gusty mirage]

You shiv outside of cooldowns when lingering darkness is up

[peak lake]

Was dreaming about a mythic HoC before the expend but the game said nop 😦

[gusty mirage]

Big envenom damooj

[quartz hearth]

Logs in to check which of my 90 passives is lingering darkness

[gusty mirage]

[rotund oak]

gz babe

[gusty mirage]

[quartz hearth]

So when I consume the debuffs last stack, but after my dps cd has expired. Got it.

[rotund oak]

🫶

[gusty mirage]

Pretty much yeah, or you could do what I do and pretend dry shivving doesn’t exist so you can just unga bunga smooth brain push buttons

[sonic schooner]

indiscriminate carnag

[gusty mirage]

The e is hiding from you guys

Only real assassination rogues can see it

TLDR: You have to be above 75 to see it

Sorry boys

[midnight mist]

btw, since you talk to the wowhead guys, i alwasy wondered, why are these even a thing, why cant you just select a build directly, its always kinda weird when you are new to a class and have to open a talent page and read every talent to figure out which i should activate or not

[gusty mirage]

You’ll be able to see it in 50 years

[midnight mist]

instead of you know, just selecting the build you are playing

[sonic schooner]

even devs cant see rogu

why would they see carnag

real

[quartz hearth]

So I guess the other question then is. Why not just shiv-Kingsbane-Envenom?

[gusty mirage]

[quartz hearth]

Kingsbane isnt a spender.

[neat raptor]

What is rupture sniping?

[quartz hearth]

Toss a middish cp rupture on a mob thats dying for energy.

[gusty mirage]

You want the envenom buff rolling to maximize poison applications

[neat raptor]

ok ty

[sonic schooner]

you take a rupture and u put it in your L118 do a 360 tomhawak headshot accros the map out of bound

[gusty mirage]

That’s the dumbed down explanation

[sonic schooner]

joke besides

[gusty mirage]

Because I’m dumb

[sonic schooner]

rupture a mob before it dies

[little tulip]

when u rupture snipe the bomb tonk for stonks

[quartz hearth]

So its Shiv-Envenom-Kingsbane?

Or are we using kingsbane during deathmark

[trim ledge]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[little tulip]

i always envenom before doing deathmark > shiv > kingsbane

the end goal is more up time at 50 stacks afair

[mighty vine]

Anyone have the talent code for Imp Gar/MA ST?

[grim jay]

There is an explanation in the guide

For everything like that

[grim jay]

Its kinda the same just swapped with VV

[grim jay]

Envenom DM shiv kingsbane

Same just without DM, unless you got the envenom rolling, on the small KBs

Its in the guide tho, with pictures even

[balmy condor]

Hi quick unblock but 1. We didn’t have the button technology for that because the tool can’t just magically do everything, and 2. What do you think this does you fucking donkey

[midnight mist]

this new

[subtle tundra]

wrong mistake of your life to unblock zaq

[balmy condor]

Please do not try and contact me again thank you

[midnight mist]

alright will do