assassination

[normal mist]

I'm like 2 expansions away from that D:

[dreamy rover]

blizz then goes on to add blade flurry to all rogue specs

[grim jay]

I like the correction that didnt correct anything, happens to me aswell sometimes

[dreamy rover]

cool

[subtle tundra]

but this season you just play oracle priest and you can never get 1 shot

[grim jay]

On a different note, I dont understand why they did that on sub at all

Its fine on sin tho

[earnest remnant]

nope

get it gone

[dreamy rover]

my god priest friend was playing oracle and carrying my under-geared druid in 10s. i got 1 shot a total of 0 times

shield insanely op

[radiant raven]

more SecTec damage. Less flurry!

[inner citrus]

ah i see its in the variations tab

[dreamy rover]

pov me being at 160% HP during the whole dungeon

[balmy condor]

blizzard really just designed themselves into a corner idk. They wanted specs to have differences in aoe and single target, but then like 2 specs could do the same aoe but also do single target for some reason, so then everyone bitched that they wanna be like those people, and then instead of telling those people to fuck off blizzard decided to cave in and make a bunch of other specs have aoe and single target at the same time, which means then stuff like assa/sub were outliers and the easiest way to make specs do aoe and single target at the same time is just to make them do aoe when they do single target and now here we are and every spec in the game has a blade flurry mechanic

and they can't get rid of the blade flurry mechanic anymore because it would just be a direct nerf

[earnest remnant]

ngl they shouldve just kept sub AoE less

and give it back a % of its former funnel

like they dont even design bosses like zul anymore

[balmy condor]

my hot take is that assassination should have the insane funnel and sub aoe should go bananas

assa cds are raw single target

[dreamy rover]

brah that was our whole identity, now every rogue spec doing more ST than us

crazy

[subtle tundra]

and they decided aoe caps arent that cool so they removed them from some specs and then some cry

[earnest remnant]

well sub "used" to be that

[balmy condor]

[earnest remnant]

0 AoE in the kit at all

[radiant raven]

🙏

[balmy condor]

yeah ik, I played sub on zul

but idk

[golden loom]

Assassination should be great at assassinating a single target

[radiant raven]

High ST with good funnel would be nice.

[balmy condor]

in my head, sub and assa competing for funnel and single target just doesn't make sense, what's the niche

[earnest remnant]

It also fits more into the theme of the big finisher spec being able to just spam big finishers into a single mob on AoE

[subtle tundra]

assa should have prio damage, sub should have funnel damage

[dreamy rover]

this also ruined pvp btw, today's meta is DKs pulling you and just cleaving the whole team down with insane burst

[balmy condor]

so imo, assa has the single target cds, destroy its aoe, energy go up in aoe, give it the funnel/prio

[dreamy rover]

very very cringe

[balmy condor]

and then sub can have the aoe

and then you get assa big burst prio/funnel/st, sub big aoe burst, outlaw no burst but giga cleave all the time

and each spec sorta has its thing

[dreamy rover]

this

makes sense

to me

[earnest remnant]

like it makes sense but i wont agree cuz i want sub to be the funnel spec xD

[dreamy rover]

yhea same lul

im a sub at heart sadly

or happily idk

[grim jay]

Never understood why it wasnt made that way for sin by name of the spec alone

[dreamy rover]

idk doesnt feel too bad w/ sin and sub competing also

they're different in their own ways

and i think they have their own appeal

assa is more dotty

[grim jay]

Niches in the same class are kinda important

[dreamy rover]

and sub is brutal raw damage

the dmg profile will still make it so you play them in diff situations as we have them now

[earnest remnant]

think they should just fully lean assa into the DoT's fantasy

[dreamy rover]

this would make me like assas more

[ebon olive]

What Talent is the one that give me the FOK Proc so i use it ST ?

[grim jay]

So a dot-based caustic?

[earnest remnant]

Clear the witnesses

[balmy condor]

okay here's my insane cook right, change some fuckoff sub talent like veiltouched or silent storm or warning signs or whatever

make it turn your evisc into a crimson tempest style thing. Does full damage in single target, but then increased damage with more targets, split damage. Add an animation where you summon some shadow clone guy to go raw meat and cheese into the target, delete black powder idk maybe not delete black powder but make it a 30s cd or something that just does huge fuckoff aoe I didn't think far enough to fit black powder into any of this

[ebon olive]

I hate it 😄

[dreamy rover]

good take

idc

[grim jay]

Literally the best thing deathstalker has to offer

Name aside

[dreamy rover]

remove black powder would be HUGE

[ebon olive]

IDK FOK in Generall feels super whack for me and then pressing it on ST ... Mehh Spell

[dreamy rover]

make evisc cleave in some way

and boom

we're shadow outlaw

[earnest remnant]

nimble flurry

worst mistake

[balmy condor]

[earnest remnant]

they couldve made

[subtle tundra]

erm ugh emrmmm

[dreamy rover]

now im starting to realise this class design and balancing stuff ends up being preeetty hard

[subtle tundra]

delete 7th cp, make deeper stratagem not an instant take

[earnest remnant]

sub just isnt designed for AoE

and its fine

[grim jay]

Idk I unironically like the tools sub has available currently, just kinda whacky balance between stuff

Also dance doesnt seem to be at its sweetspot

Imo

[ebon olive]

I dont like that you become AFK Class after burst XD

[frosty nebula]

whacky is killing spree haha , why dont they fix that

[grim jay]

Thats what burst classes do tho

Else you cant really be a big burst class

[ebon olive]

Yeah but give me something in between then just backstab 😄

[grim jay]

Something inbetween cant be good

[earnest remnant]

thats literally all heavy burst focused classes

they do jackshit out of cds

[subtle tundra]

well ive disliked sub recently cause it is a CD management spec, not a rotation spec

[midnight mist]

is it really tho, fixed sin in m+ and fixed sub in m+

[earnest remnant]

its not about them being good for it zac

thats not the point

[grim jay]

Sub in m+ was strong with bad gameplay some seasons ago aswell

[earnest remnant]

its from a design standpoint

[grim jay]

So his point stands

[arctic shale]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[earnest remnant]

thats what happens when dance cdr is wack af

[royal lantern]

apperantely its "90sec cd burst VS 2min Burst+execute" and thats it lol

[midnight mist]

Ok but I mean before these effects sub and sin were hard to ever be playable in m+ and when sub was playable in m+ it was in this weird state where you either aoe pad or st

[grim jay]

I still like the idea of dance being fixed 45s

With how sub is a 1.5min spec now, tho I liked the 1min dance times

[earnest remnant]

they were both meta in BFA before they both got nuked from orbit by blizzard

[midnight mist]

Ok tbf Idk anything about bfa

[spice spire]

Old

[midnight mist]

But

Idk game changed since then

[runic hinge]

Quake go back to sleep

[midnight mist]

So idk if that's valid either

[spice spire]

Make me bitch

[runic hinge]

[spice spire]

Oh ok

[earnest remnant]

And sub was meta 1 season SL and 1 season in DF until aug came

without flurry

so

like

[midnight mist]

yes i know

[earnest remnant]

[royal lantern]

spatter EXISTING is fine, its biggest problem is imo just that spatter instantly turned from "some neat cleave so you can do some AoE" into "this is all your AoE now"

[midnight mist]

but i said it above

when sub was meta it was a weird spec to have in your grp still

[spice spire]

It was s2 SL.
Which like splitting hairs

[midnight mist]

you either mega aoe "pad" or do st

[spice spire]

But it had a very specific reason for existing

[earnest remnant]

anyway the point was not it being good or not, purely from a design standpoint

[midnight mist]

Which isn't what specs do nowadays

[subtle tundra]

man i cant believe in shadowlands i played all 3 specs

lol...

[earnest remnant]

its makes the classes all do the same shit

[midnight mist]

Every spec in the game does AOE while doing prio now

[earnest remnant]

and then at that point why even have specs if they all do the same, just with a diff name

shits boring af

[midnight mist]

I mean they still play differently idk if I can agree with you on that point

[golden loom]

I mean yeah specs dont have any real identity

[royal lantern]

the ff14 approach

[midnight mist]

I think it's good that all specs kinda have the same damage profile or at least or all kinda good In all damage scenarios

Cause then they are playable in m+

[earnest remnant]

yeh i do not

[midnight mist]

When your spec can't AOE you just can't play it in m+

[earnest remnant]

couldnt disagree more

[royal lantern]

5roles

melee dps, magic dps, phys ranged dps, green dps and blue dps, insane variety

[dreamy rover]

btw this ruined pvp

[earnest remnant]

well sub was meta in Legion because of it

and BFA

[dreamy rover]

they gave natural cleave to everyone in the game

[earnest remnant]

0 AoE

[dreamy rover]

you can go ahead and say "fuck pvp"

[midnight mist]

Couldn't care less about pvp

[earnest remnant]

just nuked big mobs

[dreamy rover]

but it ruined a big part of the game

[midnight mist]

Pvp is already ruining my game

Bet they removed acro cause of pvp

[dreamy rover]

i also dont give a fuck and dont even play it

but its a interesting point

[midnight mist]

They probably fixed trickster bug cause of pvp

[runic hinge]

They removed acro cause they hate you specifically

[midnight mist]

Hell killing spree is probably still here not reworked cause of pvp

Fuck pvp

[golden loom]

think it would be more interesting if the dungeons were more interestingly designed and specs had different strenghts/weaknessses and it was just all bombardillo crocodillo AoE

[dreamy rover]

brah i fucking miss DF acro

ranged melees

just stabbing the fucking air

dgaf

[midnight mist]

ok and again

game changed

every spec does prio now

while doing aoe

[runic hinge]

I don’t even really miss it lol. It’s whatever

[midnight mist]

this wont ahppen anymore

i dont think so anyway

[earnest remnant]

and thats what im saying is a mistake

from a design standpoint

everything

becomes

[dreamy rover]

yhea now your kit and capabilities are irrelevant and you just pick what is simming the most

ggs

[earnest remnant]

homogenize and its fucking boring and dull

[dreamy rover]

cool meta slave game

[midnight mist]

Ye that's why we play outlaw every tier

[dreamy rover]

where you need to reroll every season to get io if your class isnt the chosen one

[earnest remnant]

its a game with 36+ specs

why do they all have to do the same?

[subtle tundra]

nice outlaw on mugzee

[red schooner]

I just pick classes for the class fantasy, fuck the meta

[earnest remnant]

its a fantasy game with 0 fantasy left in it 10/10

[golden loom]

What if you brought a rogue to your m+ group for utility/boss damage

[subtle tundra]

bro...

that was shadowlands...

[golden loom]

its classic wow

[midnight mist]

No one cares about boss damage in 2025

[subtle tundra]

i was playing assa and saying big boss dam...

[midnight mist]

Why do you think assa is the best spec

[grim jay]

Idk, the times pvp was a big part of the game are long gone brother

[subtle tundra]

buddy nobody ever cared, you wanted most overall

[dreamy rover]

yhea because they gradually ruined it with PvE-centric balancing and design

btw i have no bias in pvp, never played it, never will, dont care about it

but am sad seeing a whole part of the game vanishing

[grim jay]

They are literally balancing it separately, the people that actually pvp are just way less by default even

[dreamy rover]

because theyre focusing on m+ and giving everyone cleave

[royal lantern]

"unholy dk does BIG dmg on big pulls but is not great for the rest, outlaw is consitent good cleave, sub can prio 1 target down, destro lock is the best 2 target cleaver in the game, spriest is a ST ramp monster, frost mage is good at 3target pulls"

remember that stuff?

or like, when tanks actually had DIFFERENCES? when "blood dk has high sustain and doesnt really need helaer attention but mitigates stuff worse then the others, but other tanks needs healer attention" was a thing? and now all tanks have infinite self sustain lol

[dreamy rover]

thank good lucid post

[royal lantern]

now its, yeha, just passive cleave everywhere

[subtle tundra]

i blame talent trees

[bronze pike]

[grim jay]

The tank part is especially true and sad

[earnest remnant]

they made the game fcking boring

[subtle tundra]

they have to fill the trees with stuff, meaningful stuff

[bronze pike]

I do want to point out

[royal lantern]

nah, it allready happend before that

[subtle tundra]

so everyone ends up with everything

[dreamy rover]

yhea I meant more of the design part, the numbers are being looked at separately as they should and have been for a while

[bronze pike]

That brew needs healer attention still

[earnest remnant]

SL ruined wow

[golden loom]

I think its kinda crazy design wise how to get all our AoE in raid we just swap 1 talent, and then that talent point is insane

[earnest remnant]

ong

[bronze pike]

But no ya

Sl started the downfall

[spice spire]

Brother prot war has 0 sustain

[grim jay]

Brew needs jesus

[spice spire]

You IP and pray it’s enough

[bronze pike]

Df reintroduction of talent trees which resulting I. Utility and defensive bloat

Finished it

Granted it did make vdh a actual spec

So I’m somewhat happy

[subtle tundra]

ill be here #classic-discussion when bfa classic comes

[dreamy rover]

bfa classic

[grim jay]

Nah, it has some healing atleast

[dreamy rover]

dude is thinking 6y ahead

[bronze pike]

Zac never played peak outlaw

[grim jay]

Its not 0

[spice spire]

What healing

[bronze pike]

Bfa outlaw

[grim jay]

Victory strike or whatever its called!

[spice spire]

Victory rush every 30s?

[red schooner]

Hit victory rush or whatever they changed it to, and pray

[spice spire]

Big heal

[red schooner]

Hopes and prayers can fill in the gap

[grim jay]

Insane even

[midnight mist]

i mean look, im all for removing cleave again, maybe then outlaw gets its niche back in raid and stop being unplayable garbage

[subtle tundra]

wait zac didnt play outlaw bfa

[royal lantern]

like, brewmasters niche was literally "it needs healer attention more then the Others, but is REALLY sturdy and cant die quickly" which was supposed to be the opposite of Blood DK

Prot warrior needed healer attention sometimes but had a steady dmg taken curve without bigger suprises

prot paladin was more self sufficent then prot warrior but took overall more dmg

there where differences

now its all just "full heal by yourself 24/7"

[dreamy rover]

my bad adhd

[midnight mist]

i didnt

[runic hinge]

Even I played bfa outlaw lol

[bronze pike]

Cause shitters

[earnest remnant]

[royal lantern]

zac started in SL, he didnt saw Outlaw in BfA ye

[spice spire]

It’s not. And the niche for each seems to be in utility now instead of class fundamentals

[subtle tundra]

what would you think of the gameplay loop of rerolling for a minute straight sometimes

[midnight mist]

we do that rn

its trash

[spice spire]

Big heals

[earnest remnant]

but zac

[dreamy rover]

yhea i feel like @royal lantern has a amazing point here

[earnest remnant]

when you did hit the roll

[subtle tundra]

no buddy

[spice spire]

Love impending victory

[subtle tundra]

it was combo points

[earnest remnant]

you went super saiyan

[runic hinge]

What if rtb cost combo points

[nova kelp]

time for some fatebound sprocket prog 🤮

[grim jay]

I usually play bdk as an alt, you still are somewhat more self sufficient, but ye, the lines blurred and I cant even enjoy any other tank spec

[midnight mist]

yes well now it gives cps instead

still trash

[royal lantern]

RtB was a FINISHER back then man

[earnest remnant]

Hitting a good roll

before going into a pack

[midnight mist]

steatlhi you know what

rn

i go into a pack

[nova kelp]

finisher RTB > cd RTB

[midnight mist]

i dont roll my 5 buff

i do 6 mil dps

[dreamy rover]

wtf is this emoji LOL

[midnight mist]

i roll my 5 buff

i do 12

[earnest remnant]

and you lose to a brew monk

[midnight mist]

i think in term of dogshit rng

we are good rn

[bronze pike]

Tank players being super shit in the past demanding homogenization to make their tank specs not punished by misplay

[midnight mist]

was bfa worse

[runic hinge]

He loses to quake on spriest

[earnest remnant]

trust me zac

BFA was worse

[bronze pike]

Only lead to more shitters in general

[earnest remnant]

xD

[dreamy rover]

thats why i dont play outlaw, insane to depend on LUCK to deal damage

[bronze pike]

@royal lantern

[midnight mist]

oh well

[dreamy rover]

like purely luck

[midnight mist]

yes purely luck

[static glacier]

Just be lucky

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-dog-traumatized-gif-10801559770686219962

[static glacier]

4head

[midnight mist]

if we do a key together i probably dont do double your damage every pack

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m the shitter

[royal lantern]

you know the people that say "outlaw dmg is pure rng based cus of RtB rng!!!"

it was more true during BfA

[spice spire]

My tank’s niche?

Damage

[bronze pike]

Bfa only good outlaw thing

Was bte

Doing huge damage per press

[dreamy rover]

the key to key variation is crazy

[bronze pike]

Instead of being spammed

[dreamy rover]

and pack

[bronze pike]

To do good dam

[sharp viper]

true gambling addicts play fatebound outlaw

[bronze pike]

Get gud

[midnight mist]

meh, with similar route i will end up doing similar damage at the end of the dungeon

[static glacier]

I still maintain they need to offer a non crackshot playstyle

[midnight mist]

pack to pack sure

[bronze pike]

I mean

[spice spire]

Trying. Finding spectacular ways to brick keys

[bronze pike]

It’s unpopular among casual base

So I don’t think crackshot is here to stay next expansion

[dreamy rover]

yhea being fair here i dont know nearly enough about outlaw as i should to be talking about it

[bronze pike]

Or atleast it’s gonna be gutted

[earnest remnant]

this is the diff between a 5 roll with crit and a person rolling buried treasure (dont mind the tank he procced Twilight devs out of his ass)

[static glacier]

Really? I’ve not seen a single non crackshot rogue

[sharp viper]

I remember our brewmaster needing a lot of externals on rashanan while our dh was just laughing

[static glacier]

Since the rework

[midnight mist]

nice

[royal lantern]

bfa outlaw moment

[earnest remnant]

thats on a boss

as well

[dreamy rover]

DF?

oh ok

[earnest remnant]

BFA

[static glacier]

Issue is it’s like a gazzilion dps loss

[midnight mist]

not for the right reasons tho

so

[subtle tundra]

oof back when the resto druid could bing chill in cat form

[earnest remnant]

like rolls used be such a HUGE part of your dmg it was nuts

[bronze pike]

Doesn’t matter

[midnight mist]

if they just fix the reasons why its unpopular instead of destroying a spec

you know

[bronze pike]

They killed er for less

[sharp viper]

give outlaw uncapped aoe and it would be my favourite spec atm

[earnest remnant]

Grand melee used to be your best AoE roll

was funny

[bronze pike]

Old grand melee

[earnest remnant]

all it did was give you leech and attack speed

[midnight mist]

Well you couldn't fix why er was unpopular

[bronze pike]

[earnest remnant]

xD

[midnight mist]

You can fix why crackshot is "unpopular"

Takes about 5 min aswell

[sharp viper]

I don't even know why crackshot would be unpopular, that shit is fun

[bronze pike]

Enlighten us?

[bronze pike]

Casuals hate vanish

[midnight mist]

Gives outlaw back infinite energy

[bronze pike]

And rng aces

[midnight mist]

Ok well that's just false

[bronze pike]

Make ar back to a lower uptime and sure

[midnight mist]

Why

[bronze pike]

Cause it being 90+% uptime is the reason why outlaw energy is shit

[midnight mist]

Why

[bronze pike]

Like every other “cd” maintence spec

Like old havoc

And old frost

Old fury

[midnight mist]

You remember when ADR wasn't your main source of energy

[sharp viper]

yeah I can see that not being great but supercharger makes it way more consistent

[bronze pike]

Etc etc

[midnight mist]

I. Remember

ADR was never energy

It just became energy for no reason

[runic hinge]

You don’t remember bfa how can we trust your memory

[dreamy rover]

YO i need to sleep good nithgt

sleep tight boyzer

[bronze pike]

I’m just saying

[midnight mist]

Ye I wasn't born in bfa

[red schooner]

Nn sleep well

[runic hinge]

I know my son

[bronze pike]

That’s usually how blizzard does this type of tuning

[midnight mist]

Ok except ADR isn't energy

[dreamy rover]

you too dude

[midnight mist]

Wasn't energy

For like forever

So you are just wrong

[red schooner]

[bronze pike]

And now it is

[midnight mist]

Ye why

Cause they made a bad decision

[bronze pike]

Blizzard wanted it that way

[subtle tundra]

is adr 100% uptime?

[midnight mist]

Revert bad decision

[bronze pike]

[golden loom]

peak version of the spell #staymad

[midnight mist]

It's like 95 with full uptime

[subtle tundra]

holy shit your spec sucks

[midnight mist]

If you say so

[bronze pike]

Either revert bad decisions or tune it healthy

[midnight mist]

ADR has always been high uptime

Since I started the game

If you want a spec with a cool down varas

It's probably not outlaw

[subtle tundra]

yes but it has gotten outrageous

[bronze pike]

Ya they turn outlaw into a cringe uptime spec like they did in the past with various specs instead of keeping it as a cool consistent damage spec

[royal lantern]

you should have a 1% chance to get a heart attack every 2 seconds adrenaline rush is active

having a long duration adrenaline rush like that is not healthy

[sharp viper]

true

[bronze pike]

Outlaw adr wasn’t super high uptime

[midnight mist]

I mean is there really a difference between 60% uptime and 90 lol

[bronze pike]

Now it’s insane

Cause ya know

[midnight mist]

Ye it wasn't

[bronze pike]

Underhanded upper hand

[midnight mist]

Right

[royal lantern]

yes?

30%

[sharp viper]

I miss old UHUH

[bronze pike]

A huge difference Zac

30% uptime

Is big

[earnest remnant]

AKSHUALLY

[midnight mist]

Ye the difference is you randomly drop it and do less damage instead of doing always the same damage

[midnight mist]

If you say so

[earnest remnant]

Its an increase of 50%

[midnight mist]

If you told me there is a difference between sub cd uptime

And outlaw

I would have agreed

That you are telling me

Conceptually there is a huge difference between having 60% uptime and 90% uptime on your cd

[bronze pike]

I’m just saying

[midnight mist]

Idk man

Litteraly same shit, your cd is still not a cd

And it's an uptime thing

[bronze pike]

They change adr in a cringe way

[midnight mist]

Doesn't change anything

[bronze pike]

Increased its uptime to nearly 100%

And nerfed energy cause your supposed to have adr up 24/7

[earnest remnant]

wonder what AR uptime was in bfa

imma go look

[bronze pike]

Probably

[midnight mist]

i wish i could open sl logs

but you need to pay

[bronze pike]

60ish % of if I remember

Give or take

[midnight mist]

ok why

[bronze pike]

Cause corruptions was a thing

[midnight mist]

no but tell me why you think this should go hand in hand

because adr was never the main source of energy before

[bronze pike]

Cause blizzard is cringe

And they have done this historically

With multiple specs

[midnight mist]

Why would you change that while giving more ADR uptime

[sharp viper]

wait did outlaw play with the CDR corruption?

[midnight mist]

Ok and they made a mistake

Why not just revert the mistake

Instead of wanting to rework the whole spec

[bronze pike]

Ye that’s why I’m saying give or take

[earnest remnant]

expected about this much yeh

[bronze pike]

Ye I remember

Brain still workge

[midnight mist]

And in SL we played like

[bronze pike]

[midnight mist]

Dust

[sharp viper]

I quit bfa during corruptions

[midnight mist]

Which was cdr on everything

[earnest remnant]

his top dmg wasent him tho xDDDDDDDDDD

[sharp viper]

absolute shitshow

[midnight mist]

We also played the ADR leggo

That was giving more ADR uptime

[dawn seal]

Lego

[earnest remnant]

[dawn seal]

I like legos

[midnight mist]

It's snog like outlaw has never been a high ADR uptime spec

Steslthi you pay for wcl?

[bronze pike]

It took blizzard all of bfa sl and half of df to revert all the frost mage shit

[midnight mist]

Can you check S3 dust logs

[earnest remnant]

yeh

SL?

[midnight mist]

And uh I think it was S2 of 1 that we played the ADR leggo

Ye sl

Shadow dust kyrian

[bronze pike]

It was like

[midnight mist]

With double leggo

[bronze pike]

Idk

70ish%

[midnight mist]

It was sepulcher early logs

Not too early tho i think

I probably have some

[bronze pike]

Cracklaw

[midnight mist]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mwMqytNbRg8D2PxQ?fight=22&type=damage-done

here stealthi

this is dust

[earnest remnant]

yeh i found em

[midnight mist]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XrcVJzRm8vgy1Wnk?fight=43&type=damage-done this celerity

[bronze pike]

Still not as outrageous as now

[earnest remnant]

uptime i posted was from Halondrus

from

[midnight mist]

ok

[midnight mist]

Ok but

[earnest remnant]

so i trusted it

[midnight mist]

Conceptually what does this change

[bronze pike]

but

[midnight mist]

Appart from making you more rng

[subtle tundra]

half the uptime?

[midnight mist]

Cause sometimes you aren't in your cd so you do less damage

Which isn't even controllable

[bronze pike]

But we had energy

[midnight mist]

Ok and again

[bronze pike]

It’s so very clear that they balance outlaw energy around the new add uptime

[midnight mist]

You keep acting like we have less energy cause we have more adr uptime

When we never had energy linked to ADR till the rework

They fucked up

[bronze pike]

Yes

[midnight mist]

And you are still acting like that's the issue

Instead of just addressing the actual issue

Which is,

[bronze pike]

And now energy is balanced around adr uptime

[subtle tundra]

your spec just sucks man

hard

[midnight mist]

Why does outlaw have 0 energy

[bronze pike]

The spec needs Jesus

[normal kayak]

Mornin' all

[bronze pike]

And needs another rework from the ground up

[midnight mist]

The spec doesn't need Jesus

Bro

It's always people that don't play the spec

That Perma ask for a full rework

[bronze pike]

Ghostly strike is at a state

[midnight mist]

Legit combat enjoyers

[bronze pike]

Where you macro it and forget

You use snd to generate cdr which is cringe

You have a million rtb rules for silly reasons

[midnight mist]

gs has alwasy been a bad spell

[bronze pike]

Vanish barely works

[midnight mist]

you dont snd

vanish is all fixed

[bronze pike]

Now

[midnight mist]

you rtb on cd till 5 buff

there is one rtb rule

[bronze pike]

It took like

[midnight mist]

you jsut dont play outalw

[bronze pike]

How many patches

[midnight mist]

stop yapping

[bronze pike]

Oh okay

Again

Whatever

[midnight mist]

Litteraly every point you made here is wrong buddy

[subtle tundra]

i hope outlaw never sees being meta again ❤️

[bronze pike]

I don’t play outlaw cause I don’t agree with hivemind

[midnight mist]

No

[bronze pike]

[midnight mist]

You just listed a list of bad outlaw points

[normal kayak]

Zac's dropping knowledge this morning

[midnight mist]

That were all fixed

So what's your point

[bronze pike]

Ya vanish took a million years to fix and will be broken again at a drop of a dime like always

Ghostly has no place being a capstone

[midnight mist]

Ok and it's not broken rn

So why do you mention it

If anything

Stealth mechanics are less bugged on outlaw

Than assa rn

Did you know that

That's funny right

[bronze pike]

But these are bad points and I don’t play outlaw even tho I frequent this spec since legion

[midnight mist]

The funny bugged stealth spec

[midnight mist]

Why are you still clueless then

You aren't even up to date with half the current things

Stealth hasn't been bugged this entire patch and you still mention It like it's an issue

[bronze pike]

Cause it was a huge issue for a shit ton of time

[midnight mist]

you know assa cant restealth with ma up

or cant vanish with ma up

[bronze pike]

And not mentioning its history and the fragility of vanish is trolling

Yes

[midnight mist]

and that people perma cmoplain about restealth on assa

[midnight mist]

?

its fixed

rbo this guy

[bronze pike]

Again shows how vanish is unstable and can break at any instance

[midnight mist]

ye so maybe lets not rework outlaw to break it again and just fix the current issues instead

how bout that

[normal kayak]

I mean, it ain't bugged now so it's a bit of a what-aboutism

[bronze pike]

If outlaw ever gets another stealth thing, I bet vanish will break again

[midnight mist]

Ok

[golden loom]

I hate hard casting slice and dice! (not a current issue but historically)

[bronze pike]

Adr uptime 90% and thus we have energy deficit when out of adr

Or is that fixed ?

Hmm

[midnight mist]

" guys outlaw need a complete rework!!"
"Why ??"
"Vanish is broken !!"
"They fixed it"
"Ok but historically it could be broken again and "

[bronze pike]

If that’s all you took from this entire convo

[normal kayak]

when you got a proc and didnt want to sink 4 combo points into it on opener

[bronze pike]

Then okay

Again no point talking about this

[midnight mist]

Nah also the snd thing

• you refusing to address the actual energy issue

Just cause you dislike high ADR uptime

[bronze pike]

Using snd as cdr doing downtime only further this cringe unhealthy engine

Is also bad

[midnight mist]

You don't like outlaw just stop talking about it

[sharp lily]

ADR go burr what not to like

[midnight mist]

What are you even yapping about bro

[bronze pike]

I love outlaw

That’s insane

To say

I don’t like outlaw

If I didn’t like outlaw

I would not play outlaw

[midnight mist]

[bronze pike]

I wouldn’t even touch fucking rogue

[earnest remnant]

I hate outlaw and I will still yap about it

Can’t stop me

[steel ridge]

make outlaw a tankspec

[bronze pike]

Stop gate keeping the fucking spec cause someone has a different opinion from you

[steel ridge]

there, i said it

[bronze pike]

Holy shit

[golden loom]

I love outlaw cause its bis Rogue spec for transmog runs

[bronze pike]

Yes please

Do so

Worked in sod lmao

[steel ridge]

worked in wildstar

[midnight mist]

Stop saying that when it's not what I'm doing

[golden loom]

also from what incredibly little I played of outlaw it all feels very fluid except for pressing rtb, take that shit off the GCD!!

[midnight mist]

You litteraly listed a list of "bad" points about outlaw

That were all fixed

[bronze pike]

Nah I’m done

[midnight mist]

Ye you should have been a long time ago

[bronze pike]

There’s no point talking to you Zac

[golden loom]

zac what would u think of no GCD roll the bones?

[vital flicker]

uh oh outlaw talk has leaked into assassination chat

[steel ridge]

zac is just mad that his baguette isnt as crunchy as it used to be

[midnight mist]

It has issues cause we need to react to CTO procs etc

[steel ridge]

[red schooner]

Outlaw ranged gun spec when

Could be fun idk

[midnight mist]

So you would accidentally reroll CTO procs

[bronze pike]

Gunslinger

[midnight mist]

Which is probably not fun

[red schooner]

I mostly just miss spellslinger from Wildstar

My boy

[steel ridge]

outlaw can be anything really, but lately its just redundant

[subtle tundra]

outlaw can smd

(suck my dick)

[steel ridge]

i was playing stalker

[midnight mist]

what other spec is like outlaw tho

[bronze pike]

Cowboy outlaw is best outlaw

[midnight mist]

or wdym by that

[bronze pike]

Blunder bussy funge

[golden loom]

ah ok 👍 just as someone who doesnt play the spec it always felt like a weird pause when pressing it

[red schooner]

Spellslinger healer was the most fun healer I've played in any mmo it was great

[blissful pumice]

What is better with the bleed Build in a boss fight, to vanish at 35% to use imp Garrot and Shiv or to use it Later when the boss is like at 10% and we can make him bleed out with sudden demise? 😄

[midnight mist]

It does, would rather we just were not forced to presss it often, like it was in S3 were we basically only pressed it to maintain the buff

Now we press it on cd basically

[bronze pike]

I don’t mind pressing rtb on cd tbh

[steel ridge]

redundant as in the damage profile sucks and assassination and sub are just superior for raiding and sometimes even in m+ (just like last season or rn)

[bronze pike]

Very fun

Cool visual

[earnest remnant]

Sub 35

[bronze pike]

Supercharger

[balmy condor]

sudden demise doesn't do anything on bosses

just use vanish with deathmark like normal

[blissful pumice]

oh okay haha

[earnest remnant]

SD is not efficient dmg

[midnight mist]

ah well

[vital flicker]

sudden demise fundamentally loses you bleed damage since it only procs at 150% of the remaining health, so a full improved garrote is better

[balmy condor]

like sudden demise doing 15 mil damage on a mob with 150 mil health? pretty neat

sudden demise doing 15 mil damage on a boss with 1.5 bil health? kinda pointless

[steel ridge]

anything that steals damage from bloodbeasts is efficient in my book

[faint quarry]

Whats a good guide to follow for ass M+

[earnest remnant]

? It does proc on bosses tho

[earnest remnant]

Ah that way

[blissful pumice]

y i am new to the build and try to understand the dmg profil. Sometimes I totaly execute pacs and sometimes its mid

[earnest remnant]

Cuz I very much executed last boss rookery from 55m the other day

[blissful pumice]

i try to safe my vanish for the 35% phases and shiv and so on but sometimes it goes nuts and sometimes it dosent^^

[earnest remnant]

Got me confused af

[golden loom]

https://tenor.com/view/merry-christmas-happy-birthday-eden-basin-ido-bomboclat-bomboclat-gif-9138605067843489924

[balmy condor]

you can save 1 shiv charge for it, but vanish/deathmark should always be synced on boss fights

you don't just randomly slam cds because you're in zoldyck range

zoldyck is a good talent, but it's not THAT good lmao

[blissful pumice]

yy in bossfight i get that, i was talkin about aoe now

[balmy condor]

for the most part you can completely ignore that zoldyck exists

like just don't think about it

and it'll do its thing

[subtle tundra]

youre the 2nd guy saying this today

wheres this coming from

[vital flicker]

The need for GIGA Demise

[subtle tundra]

demise is a BONUS

treat it as such

[golden loom]

its the whole meal buddy

[balmy condor]

demise isn't even really a bonus

[blissful pumice]

In AOE M+ it just makes sense to me to reaply the dots with vanish into shiv and CT and the Demise totaly executes the pack and ofc its fun to watch^^

[balmy condor]

it's much easier to think about it as preventing damage you would have lost

it's damage recovery

like you would've lost all the remaining bleed damage on a target if it died

[golden loom]

its stealing back damage from the damage team mates otherwise would steal from you

[balmy condor]

sudden demise means you lose less

it's not that you're gaining more, it's that you're losing less

[bronze pike]

Probably streamer

[royal lantern]

people yelling DEMISEMAXXING 24/7 here i gues?

[midnight mist]

its me im spreading misinformation everywhere i can

[bronze pike]

Like how vdh new question is

[cunning needle]

Yeah but big number make me feel good

[subtle orbit]

hey guys how sanguine blades works? you need to cast it above 50%? or every tick it drains you 2 energy?

[bronze pike]

“Is immo aura threat bugged??”

[vital flicker]

classic outlaw behaviour

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/enojado-gif-6930705070173779193

[blissful pumice]

Y probably i got that wrong I thougt thats the way ur supposed to play around it

[balmy condor]

every tick

[bronze pike]

Cause noawh said it was bugged

When it’s not

[normal kayak]

Ass50%buffWHEN?

[subtle orbit]

so thats why im starving energy on ST with this build? its like energy never come back

[subtle tundra]

no

if youre starving on energy it means youre not above 50%, so sanguine blades is probably not even working

[normal kayak]

It's designed to pool at some points to be fair, kind of just got to ride it through

[subtle tundra]

no it isnt

with bleed build theres literally 0 pooling

[normal kayak]

You can't have 100% energy for 100% of the fight

Even in ST?

[blissful pumice]

But what am I supposed to do in AOE if the mobs are at like 15-25% hp and i still have like 10 Secs an my Dots out. Do i Reaply them to do Sudden Demise dmg or do I just funnel with Spatter and Envenom?

[normal kayak]

my bad

[balmy condor]

I mean it's also just like, a very strange build if you're a random assa andy that doesn't understand what the hell any of your talents do. There's so many people that look at it and go "no kingsbane? must be trolling" cause they can't think for more than 3 seconds, it's the same shit with "I didn't see bleed build on murlok.io". Like if you don't know what's going on, I think it's pretty reasonable to just read a capstone and go "big bleed demise big number big zold 35%, demise 35% gg hp go 35% I press button"

but in reality it's like.... nothing really changes, you just don't hit kingsbane anymore and you can be more aggressive with your bleeds cause envenom does less and you just move on with your life

[balmy condor]

you follow your standard logic

if bleeds are in pandemic, you bleed

if they aren't, you dont

[bronze pike]

Yep

Also Whipsyr

Your supposed to say

“You don’t play the spec, stop yapping”

[balmy condor]

my bad

[blissful pumice]

Sorry if I am stupid what do you mean by that? 😄

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[blissful pumice]

ah thank you

[static glacier]

pandemicphile

[sinful hatch]

hello! can someone tell me where can i find good guide for assa bleed build please?

[royal lantern]

you know how your WA glows when dots are at the last few seconds remaining? thats pandemic

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[sinful hatch]

TY!

[buoyant pumice]

I really enjoy sin rouge, But I cant decide If I like the bleed build, or the kingsbane bulild, Can someone just give a Quick pros and cons?

[blissful pumice]

Jesus I played it totaly wrong then I always thougt i have to maximise the Demise dmg and always went for fresh dots

[midnight mist]

mb i should have said "stop spreading misinformation" cause thats hwat you are doing 24/7, maybe you play the spec, but you should probably do some research so you arent clueless

[bronze pike]

If I don’t share same opinion then I’m spreading misinfo

[royal lantern]

you forget to bring up r.io Score

[bronze pike]

Got it

[midnight mist]

Why are you saying that when you were actually spreading wrong info earlier

It's not an opinion to say that vanihs is broken and it's an issue when it litteraly was fixed

[royal lantern]

1 presses kingsbane every 1min, the other is using Crimson Tempest on single target, thats mostly it

[midnight mist]

That's not an opinion that's just you being wrong

[subtle tundra]

shiv in aoe

fuckwit

[bronze pike]

Talking about how vanish historically had issues and even tho it’s fixed now doesn’t mean the ability isnt fucking unstable and still has issues with sub and sin

Is totally misinfo

Got it

[golden loom]

now it kinda feels like ur trying to gaslight zac that he was an asshole for pointing out that current stuff just isnt broken

weird idk

[bronze pike]

I’ll drop it

Cause again whatever

[midnight mist]

totally what you were saying

[bronze pike]

The spec needs Jesus yes

[midnight mist]

Whatever

[vale lantern]

Spec is fine

[bronze pike]

And vanish barely worked for the longest time until recently, until another vanish thing gets added snd it inevitably bricks again

[balmy condor]

bleed build is easier, more fluid with your cooldowns cause you don't need to sync up your kingsbanes and deathmarks, easier to play generally, doesn't require you have an insanely big target that survives your full cooldowns to spatter off of for your damage, deathmark isn't as important in aoe, you get bigger sudden demise pops which can result in more prio damage and more aoe. better single target, generally equal or better aoe/prio, has good execute phase

hybrid is better in 2-4 target cleave, higher burst generally with kingsbane, more envenom focused, and uhhhhhh that's about it

[vale lantern]

If blizzard looks at us there’s a 50% chance it’ll be a bad look keep evading the patch notes

[midnight mist]

thank you i tought i was going crazy

[spark dirge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

zac and rem have been beefing for legit years at this point it's like joker and batman you learn to ignore it

[vale lantern]

I also like bleed build cause my kingsbane target can’t get killed early and make me sad

[balmy condor]

zac will point out something, rem will be cringe about it

rem will have a hot take, zac will crash out

[royal lantern]

who is who

[balmy condor]

it's just the cycle of life

[golden loom]

i am superman i can fix them

[bronze pike]

Next time I’ll be super duper specific so I don’t get misunderstood

[midnight mist]

Or just don't lie?

[balmy condor]

at the end of the day, they're both passionate about outlaw but for different reasons and both of em get heated and then get angry and it's fine

is what it is

as long as I don't have to mod either of them I couldn't care

[vale lantern]

Although I recently discovered I can’t play the bleed build with another bleed build rogue as one of us eats all the sudden demises and me playing the build build encouraged other to swap to it so I’m a warlock gamer in keys now

[balmy condor]

playing double assa in keys to begin with is just insane work

[vale lantern]

Well they were outlaw

And spriest

And then they saw the power of bleeds

[balmy condor]

well if they were outlaw then no issue

[vital flicker]

Is Vanish actually bugged for Sin or is it just MA that is bugged?

[balmy condor]

what

[vale lantern]

Yeah it was no issue till they swapped 😭😭

[balmy condor]

oh so you did run double assa then

[vital flicker]

sometime the MA timer doesn't reset if it is already counting down

[balmy condor]

yeah that's MA

[vale lantern]

We did for 1 key I had all the SD damage and I was like we can’t do this again

[vital flicker]

so are there actually any vanish bugs for sin?

[bronze pike]

Double stacking a spec

Is oof

[balmy condor]

no

[vale lantern]

And then went on my lock

[balmy condor]

vanish works fine for sin

[bronze pike]

Nope

[vale lantern]

Wait till you see us triple stack a spec we get wild out here in my guild

[bronze pike]

The things tied to vanish has issues most of time which I find silly

[midnight mist]

If you vanish with ma up it doesn't refresh ma

[bronze pike]

I can’t even say they need to focus on rogue

[balmy condor]

I mean it's literally just MA no?

[bronze pike]

Cause every spec has so many cringe bugs

[vital flicker]

but htat's a problem with MA

[midnight mist]

Unless they fixed that but I tested it when they fixed the outlaw bugs and it was still bugged so

[bronze pike]

For sin ya

[midnight mist]

Sure

[balmy condor]

yeah okay

so then it's exactly what I said

[bronze pike]

But outlaw had a lot of vanish bugs for years

[balmy condor]

oh

[midnight mist]

Had*

[balmy condor]

well that's outlaw fantasy

having a trillion bugs that don't get fixed

[bronze pike]

Positive bugs that don’t get reported :)

[subtle tundra]

well its a recent problem with MA+subterfuge

[midnight mist]

[balmy condor]

positive bugs do get reported though

well idk if they get reported

[subtle tundra]

it was working fine until the subterfuge rework

[midnight mist]

He back again with his positive bugs conspiracy

[balmy condor]

idk who on outlaw is reporting things these days

[midnight mist]

When it's literally the only bugs that get fixed

[balmy condor]

but they get fixed at least

[bronze pike]

I do what I can

[vital flicker]

the last thing blizzard did for rogue was fixing an outlaw bug

[midnight mist]

I cba with this guy

[bronze pike]

I know it’s asking a lot

[steel geyser]

Just finished catching up the outlaw debate still going at it

[bronze pike]

But like

Can the game be shipped

For one patch

Without so many fucking bugs spread out to every class

[midnight mist]

Kinda too late for that now

[bronze pike]

In the game

[midnight mist]

They have a backlog of like

[royal lantern]

why should the game be on a ship

[midnight mist]

10 k bugs per spec

So

[balmy condor]

yeh you can basically just search the discord for from:zac mentions:rem or the other way around and it'll be endless bickering

[midnight mist]

Would be cool if they didn't add new ones every patch tho but oh well

[bronze pike]

[bronze pike]

It’s in a embargo

[steel geyser]

I love it

[royal lantern]

real answer: unless they slow down their content release schedule OR dont try to add new things to specs all the time, no

[golden loom]

bring back flensing knives!!!

[bronze pike]

I still have cope

That the reason why .5 have 0 class changes

[subtle tundra]

meow meow meow meow

[bronze pike]

Is due to multiple class bug fixes

[royal lantern]

its a direct result of the increased content releases

less QA testing

[subtle tundra]

.7 will have class changes

[bronze pike]

[royal lantern]

you are so real for that

[spice surge]

Surely theyre gonna fix deathstalkers mark being unusable if darkest night is up and unbrick the hero talent for sub

[balmy condor]

when are we getting the full version of fatal intent

[steel geyser]

Is it that sad meow tiktok stuff cause that's how I read it

[sinful hatch]

still cant find info about bleed gameplay. can anyone link information about it?

[wide gorge]

wait sorry, in ST we should keep our energy above 50%? im like here smashing my button........

[bronze pike]

Surely they will fix reavers glaive generating 0 threat

[subtle tundra]

no cause im cool

[golden loom]

That would not fit into the design philosophy of all rogue specs having 1 hero talent tree

[bronze pike]

Despite doing millions of damage

[balmy condor]

it's the same, you just swap talents

pins have some reminders but in general just import talents and play as you were, maintain CT in single target, press shiv in aoe

gg

[royal lantern]

@bronze pike we talk abozt the guys that changed the visual of echoing, made a big deal out of it, and then removed the ability 2months later

thats how much future proof thinking is happening at blizz sometimes

[balmy condor]

with a bleed build yes, anything else no

[bronze pike]

I know

I miss er

[spice surge]

Idk, i keep a magnifying glass near my computer so i can actually see its damage on my damage meter for now

[bronze pike]

Why did it have to go

Why does sub get to have flag

[balmy condor]

how the hell a hero talent doing less than the overhealing from a trinket

[midnight mist]

Actually crazy they did that lol

So funny

[bronze pike]

And we don’t

[wide gorge]

so we just avoid using envenom until we run dry energy? does it really compete??

[bronze pike]

[vital flicker]

the thing that really bothers me about the hero talent bugs and jank is that these are evergreen, they are aupposed to carry through forever and they haven't even made them work properly over all these months

[bronze pike]

Why don’t we have bonespike

[balmy condor]

idk what you mean by does it really compete, you're going to run out of energy regardless

[bronze pike]

Literally nothing flavorful

Or good visually

[royal lantern]

i got stacks of fatal intent on me when another rogue was hitting a rare

no warmode, same faction

[balmy condor]

it doesn't matter if you run out in 30 seconds or space it out and run out in 45

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

you're using the same amount of energy

[golden loom]

I mean fatal intent popped off in our 13% sprocket wipe yesterday

[spice surge]

Insane fatal intent rng

[golden loom]

ez crit

[balmy condor]

it's doing less boss damage than 9 clear the witnesses on a boss, and clear the witnesses does aoe

[grand trail]

any VELF fans?

[bronze pike]

Me

[grand trail]

some alfa male velf gigachad

[rocky zodiac]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[bronze pike]

Nvm

[royal lantern]

im gonna be honest there mate

they will ignore them after TWW and add nothing new, do some number changes and thats it

when Last Titan is over they delete the system and add some of the talents to the normal talent trees, and yeha, thats the entire "hero treenis evergreen" stuff done

[balmy condor]

fatal intent is so unimagineably bad, it's hard to believe that it wasn't buffed by mastery and shit

this is the "fixed" version

where it interacts with everything

and it's still so insanely ass

[golden loom]

just stack vers noob

[grand trail]

still not sure if im velfing mugzee or just cba

[balmy condor]

[bronze pike]

Rogue should have the next wave of hero tree fixes tbh

It’s insane

[balmy condor]

legendary 1 + vers scaling

[bronze pike]

That one is rng

One does nothing

[balmy condor]

that every damage effect in the game has

huge W

[bronze pike]

And the other uses killing spree

[golden loom]

W

[bronze pike]

All have lack luster visuals

[vital flicker]

but that is kinda my point, if they don't these things now so they will be ass forever. Bad hero talent trees are going to suck forever

[balmy condor]

they'll get rid of them in 3-4 years don't worry

[royal lantern]

gotta remember that "evergreen" is a pointless corpo hype word

[balmy condor]

"evergreen" is only evergreen until they decide its been long enough

[royal lantern]

^

[midnight mist]

It's only an issue in p3, need to make sure your priests are able to grip

So train them from p1

[balmy condor]

the shadowlands crafting system was "evergreen" and the immediately overhauled the entire thing for dragonflight

[royal lantern]

they repeat it all the time because the reddit/twitter crowd goes crazy over it

[subtle tundra]

what why need to grip in p3

[royal lantern]

its a meaningless buzzword

[vital flicker]

I'm not convinced they will last that long

[bronze pike]

I won’t lie

[golden loom]

but idk the powerlevels of talents in the hero talent trees just seem weird, at the same time as fatal intent exists theres stuff like hunt them down

[midnight mist]

Cause me no velf

[bronze pike]

I would love if specific hero talent stuff became baseline in the future

[balmy condor]

they're going to last until the end of the last titan

[bronze pike]

Blessing of anshe comes to mind

[grand trail]

we already forbidden griping

[bronze pike]

And frankly hammer of light and suns avatar

[subtle tundra]

but why need the grip? just get put in a cage next to the soak?

[bronze pike]

Heck coup for rogue would be nice baseline

[subtle tundra]

ah you want to... hit

but like

[balmy condor]

the whole worldsoul saga will basically be 3 expacs of the same things + some shiny upgrades and whatever

[subtle tundra]

who cares

[midnight mist]

Well if you have the AOE you kil the people in your cage no?

[balmy condor]

and then end of the worldsoul saga they're gonna destroy everything and rebuild from scratch

[royal lantern]

oh there will for some specs

same way some legion legendarys became talents

same way dome covenant abilitys became talents

but those things are apperantly not "evergreen" i gues

[balmy condor]

it's basically just legion all over again tbh

[bronze pike]

Lmao

[subtle tundra]

no? cause you move to the edge

[golden loom]

what if we rebuild the dark portal AGAIN

[balmy condor]

spend all expansion building up your weapon, then toss it into the fire

[midnight mist]

Ok nvm then

[bronze pike]

Artifact was neat

Essence was neat

[royal lantern]

ion literally said that talent trees themself will probably not stay forever

[subtle tundra]

sub 7 minute mugzee kill

[balmy condor]

well of course not

[royal lantern]

like, yeha ofc

[bronze pike]

Ya cause they can’t expand it indefinitely

[balmy condor]

nothing stays forever

[bronze pike]

Dead Ed of world soul saga

[balmy condor]

hell, I'm not even sure delves are gonna be around in 2 years

[midnight mist]

Is it bugged

Kill or not

[bronze pike]

I would like

[royal lantern]

CDU als Regierungs Mehrheit?

[bronze pike]

Nah nvm

[balmy condor]

guter witz

[royal lantern]

[subtle tundra]

no, its us yesterday

[balmy condor]

die ampel

[bronze pike]

It’s clear that the leveling process of retail is dead

[subtle tundra]

we just made a new strat

where you blast dps and push boss fast

[bronze pike]

Dead enough that the entire concept of talent trees is misunderstood

By the same people it was made for

.

I can’t wait for mists classic

[subtle tundra]

but its very tight. you play 4 healers and sometimes bl for dps to make the dps check