assassination

[native turret]

i like vanish

being forced to push vanish? 😠

[hearty reef]

there are no wolves insime me bwo both starved due to climate change

[worthy fable]

ah thought i missed some new tech

[golden loom]

I hate vanishing for damage if there is any chance of ever losing mark

otherwise I like it

[worthy fable]

thats true but when would that even be other than maybe Rik?

[golden loom]

cauldron

[balmy condor]

I love vanish so cool, improved garrote is so cool and epic!!!!!!!!!

3 minutes later: FUCK VANISHING FOR MASTER ASSASSIN THAT SHIT IS ASS I SPIT ON VANISH DISGUSTING

3 minutes later: Oh a build that can hold vanish to move the mark? That's pretty sick, I can hold vanish and not worry about it, cool cool yeah I'm down

3 minutes later: Wait VV makes my mutilate cost more and the spec is slower because of it? GIVE ME MY VANISH BACK YOU FUCKING COWARD

3 minutes later: Oh a bug that makes VV worse? Nah I'm good I'm just gonna play VV anyway so I don't need to vanish

[golden loom]

but vanish is a defensive!

[native turret]

sprocket sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nEBC16DyLSLgUzuj5UNh8k (my gear is ass dont @ me)

[hidden bay]

fatebound

[balmy condor]

now that's what I'm talking about

40% envenom damage

god fucking bless

[golden loom]

one thing I dont undestand btw, why does the sim always pot insta

[native turret]

i dont like it but the computer says its best

[golden loom]

also I thought you would still ambush on opener even with fatebound

[peak lake]

back to MA u_U

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ufoJ7CMHUXnBEeFh5EhPDx

[golden loom]

but yeah back to vanishing for damage, I actually really like it with fatebound when u vanish for the 2nd coldblooded envenom

[dense willow]

Hey guys how do I parse better

[golden loom]

play better, have better gear, kill boss fast

[native turret]

yeah MA is better for me too. 2.192

[dense willow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yW6jRDgQwZJCMX8F

[balmy condor]

excellent question, so the thing is right, you potion with bloodlust, or deathmark, or the fight has <30 seconds remaining, and none of that is relevant or matters cause it overlaps all your cooldowns and doesn't make a difference and I can't be fucked going in and doing work to move an offgcd cast around for 0.0% difference

[golden loom]

if u want the highest parses possible, also proc hard and often

[native turret]

does sim account for magnet cheese?

[balmy condor]

yes

[golden loom]

hm yeah I guess, its not only the fatebound build that does it right? DS also does it

[native turret]

i need a magnet in my life

[balmy condor]

correct

[strange sleet]

yo guys, I had in mind that energy classes didn't get their globals reduced by haste. Is that not true?

[golden loom]

was thinking like 5 seconds of pot during lingering would be worth something to the old simmerino

but its all macrod in reality so who cares

[golden loom]

for sprocketmonger, run internal bleeding instead of caustic

[balmy condor]

yeah so here's the problem, if I just make it cast on deathmark and then we do custom fight styles with different lust timing, gg

I'd have to just revert the change back every time I do a sim for RWF

[stone eagle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rp38p1zCagzkDtX9XfqKzR
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aAXDquSZ4dtWRwM3vKgKxS

[golden loom]

fair

[stone eagle]

not a big dif for me

on builds

[balmy condor]

and my sanity is worth more than a visual difference in sequencing

[golden loom]

yeah for sure, I also very seldom have looked at what rotation the robot does but that was one thing that always stuck out

[golden loom]

also u want to envenom before going into cooldowns

[warm vortex]

Guys my sim is kinda bugging

It's not showing envenom

[balmy condor]

that's cause you're simming bm hunter

[warm vortex]

Lemmie get it rq

Shut up

don't ruin the joke

[golden loom]

simming pre lvl 20 gameplay?

[warm vortex]

Fuck you whispyr

D:

[balmy condor]

get better material

[warm vortex]

No

Actually i wonder how good BM sims compared to assa in patchwek
I mean i don't think patchwerk was made for that purpose at all

And doesn't do that purpose well

But fuck it

[golden loom]

is there something wrong with my macro? I dont apply mark when im ambushing!!

[low kernel]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[warm vortex]

I was expecting some stupid bs like

/cast deathstalker's mark

[peak lake]

do you just macro cold blood on random spell ?

like env

[balmy condor]

for fatebound?

[peak lake]

ye

[balmy condor]

no

[golden loom]

Kingsbane pretty sure

[balmy condor]

you macro to kingsbane

[peak lake]

loosing a use is worth ?

[balmy condor]

you don't lose a use

[peak lake]

the 15 sec dif dont make u loose a use on a 5m + fight ?

[balmy condor]

you have to line up your cold blood to deathmarks or else you can just untalent fatebound to begin with, that's literally the whole point of cold blood and fatebounds burst and coin flipping for the capstone

so if you need cold blood every 2 min

you can't get a second cast between deathmarks

[peak lake]

right i understand

was looking on the wowhead guide

sayin on cooldown

[balmy condor]

oh

I see

I deleted the fatebound toggle cause no one plays this dogshit ass hero talent

and then didn't delete the cold blood toggle

that's ugly

[peak lake]

:p

[balmy condor]

eh whatever

rotation page is getting a rewrite for 11.1.5 anyway

guide doesn't need to support fatebound regardless

[dense willow]

whispyr why do some guides put mast > crit but you go crit > mast

[peak lake]

and ofc for fatebound, peacemaker is absolute bis

[balmy condor]

cause none of that matters

the only reason wowhead even mentions secondary stats is because I wasn't allowed to say the stat priority is Item Level > everything

I fought for it, trust me

but apparently we value giving people useless info about secondaries and feeding the SEO demons rather than giving actual info dunno

is what it is

next time I get drunk I might consider shuffling the secondaries around again

stay tuned for that

[proud pelican]

Wowhead trying to suppress whispyr when he’s just trying to spit str8 fax

[balmy condor]

idk if it's suppression as much as it's just we have templates and structures we need to adhere to in order to appease google search

I can't delete bis lists even though they're pointless cause they're far too valuable for google search terms

too many people hammering "ASSA ROGUE BIS" into search engines

it's only gotten worse in fact, that's why we have THREE fucking bis lists

most of the people opening the guide don't make it past the cheat sheet on the overview page

world sucks man

[proud pelican]

Tru

[warm vortex]

But mah bis leasts-

[balmy condor]

I'm dead serious, over the last like year or so

I've been writing the guide for google's algorithm more than actual humans

I'd say a good 75% of the guide is just fodder for the algorithm

and like the info is good but the way its presented and regurgitated and structured is all just bait for google

[lusty kraken]

VV is worse, fuck yeah

fuck not having energy

just press vanish you crybabies

[balmy condor]

rob how does it feel to be a type 4 rogue

[proud pelican]

I just swapped from outlaw and thought I needed to giga re gear but I was surprised how little of a diffy it made after I ran the sim

[golden loom]

this is what comes up when I type O on my searchbar

[lusty kraken]

I don't think vanish is cool, but I don't mind it as a dps cooldown

but I do mind being energy starved

[balmy condor]

people don't seem to realize how much work and effort blizzard has put into the game the last 2 expansions to make sure that nothing matters

like the talent pages are more complicated than ever, but the specs themselves have never been more straightforward and easier

item level has never been stronger

[onyx coyote]

Is clear the witnesses still not used in ST if we go back to imp gar/ma?

[proud pelican]

The only thing it really wanted was high mastery for my signet but ye

[balmy condor]

secondaries across the game are more balanced for more specs

[proud pelican]

Pretty ez re gear

[balmy condor]

like the amount of specs that have a "dead" stat these days

is quite low

I mean even just for outlaw the haste changes and mastery buffs

they didn't really hit the mark obviously

but an attempt was made to make all the secondaries closer together

[lusty kraken]

good question

[balmy condor]

and they've been doing the same shit for every spec for years

[sonic schooner]

We love Haste tax

[balmy condor]

also yes we use ctw in ST without VV

it's been 2 weeks how have we already forgotten

[lusty kraken]

as God intended

[balmy condor]

the whole thing of VV was "this changes fok rules, don't use CTW anymore on ST anymore, fok on 5 blah blah blah"

goldfish memory

[lusty kraken]

for fatebound are there any special rules I should be aware of? do I just macro cold blood to envenom?

[balmy condor]

you vanish during cold blood in deathmark

otherwise it plays itself

[lusty kraken]

why?

[balmy condor]

why to which

the vanish?

[lusty kraken]

why do you vanish during cold blood?

[balmy condor]

double coin flip

[lusty kraken]

if only I bothered to understand what fatebound does

I will take your word for it

[balmy condor]

you don't need to understand

just know that when you hit deathmark->shiv->kingsbane

you have 2 stacks of cold blood

you envenom once

then you vanish

[lusty kraken]

I see

[balmy condor]

explaining it honestly makes it sound more giga brain than it is

just know that double flip during start of deathmark is good

and the macro will do the rest

[lusty kraken]

I'm trying to figure out if I can macro cold blood to something

[balmy condor]

kingsbane

you macro it to kingsbane

[lusty kraken]

but it's 45 sec cd, don't I lose casts over time?

[balmy condor]

I'm living in groundhog day

[golden loom]

macro it to KB and forget about it

[lusty kraken]

that's what you get for not putting this stuff in a FAQ

[balmy condor]

bro it's not like anyone is actually going to play this shit be so fr right now

[golden loom]

it deffo isnt frequently asked (outside of this hour)

[solid hinge]

what does the bleed build change in the rotation ?

[lusty kraken]

I will try it on sprocket

[balmy condor]

yeah, you'll try it, pog out cause the burst is high, then realize the rng is crazy, not notice a difference in your overall dps, and swap back

we've had this song and dance during ky'veza last tier

[balmy condor]

shiv in aoe

[lusty kraken]

but you see mr whispyr, the raidbot shows bigger number, therefore it's better

[golden loom]

tbh sprocket is much more of a target dummy for melee, so u have time to look at details more which will lead you to swapping away from FB faster

[solid hinge]

vanish still last 6 sec of deathmark?

[balmy condor]

people didn't fucking care when I said that about fatebound last tier

[balmy condor]

no?

[solid hinge]

still learning

[sonic schooner]

But whispyr do i lose à cast

[balmy condor]

we vanish for dm but mainly for chainpulls and aoe

[golden loom]

Censi can u test out Fatebound Bleed build with supercharger and no coldblood and report back?

[lusty kraken]

I got disappointed about no rogue tuning, but not having to play VV is good news enough

[balmy condor]

why would rogue need tuning

[sonic schooner]

I aint speccing fatebound unless outlaw cuz the other option aka ks is even more dogshit

[lusty kraken]

because they keep buffing every other spec in the game and rogue is left behind

[sonic schooner]

Fb is à bug nest and the rng is just depressing

So no im not testing that

[onyx coyote]

We just got a buff though to mutilate

[lusty kraken]

also I was expecting some sort of outlaw buff for the coup fix

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[onyx coyote]

Least we aren't disc priests they got pissed and nerf batted them.

[balmy condor]

if I give an opinion on outlaw and/or m+ they will hunt me down john wick style to tell me I'm a shitter

big trouble

[royal lantern]

then why do you play assa/sub, where thats part of the gameplay for ages now lol

i legit dont get that part

its not a new thing

[sonic schooner]

The weirdest nerf is vdh. Making vdh still the best and boomie beam even better. And u Know what. Boomie got buffed accross the board

[lusty kraken]

I started playing rogue in shadowlands and the energy starvation wasn't really a thing

[royal lantern]

it was

[onyx coyote]

you missed the good days of energy starved

when one backstab took you to nothing in classic/tbc

[lusty kraken]

to be fair I played assa only on sanctum of domination

[sonic schooner]

Go all in whispyr. Tell us your thoughts and meet me at the incontinental hotel afterward

[lusty kraken]

and I didn't feel the starvation that much

[royal lantern]

sub is literally the same

[balmy condor]

you think that was the weirdest nerf and not the random guardian druid nerf because they couldn't be fucked to nerf a hero talent for boomkin only?

[sonic schooner]

Do you guys remember when we had to cast snd to get energy regen ? 9.0 was wild lmao

[royal lantern]

if not worse cus sub has 0 gameplay outside of dance

[lusty kraken]

also I am fine with sub because I am cranking every dance window and having a period of rest between dances is not a big deal

[balmy condor]

sacntum of domination was the only tier since wod where I didn't play assassination at all

[onyx coyote]

Never could get sub it had so many rules. I like assassination much better

[balmy condor]

awful fucking assa patch

[royal lantern]

just crit the frost set bozo

[balmy condor]

whispyr try assa, whispyr try assa

[lusty kraken]

assa is different because you are out of energy almost all the time except for deathmark windows

[onyx coyote]

I had to stop playing assassination in castle nathria when we were WAY WAY too undertuned

[balmy condor]

walk up to nerzul, go 0/14 on frost crits

swap back to sub

[sonic schooner]

Tbf 80% of the patch note looks weird to me as à m+ pusher. But whatever let s call it à raid Tuning patch and hope for more blue lines later

[royal lantern]

again, thats a thing for frking 10years now mate, why act as if its something new lol

[onyx coyote]

That and in HFC had to go outlaw fora bit for fights since we didn't have the cleave we hve now

[sonic schooner]

Also if aug ever Côme back i yeet myself out. That is said

[lusty kraken]

because I didn't play for 10 years

[balmy condor]

yeah unironically I played assa in nathria, played assa on smolderon prog

I have only hated assassination in two patches

sanctum of domination, and nyalotha

[sonic schooner]

Sod frost gems assa

Big crits

[high walrus]

is there any logic to when you're allowed to restealth with shadowmeld in dungeons

[sonic schooner]

Big vendettas

[high walrus]

sometimes I sprint away, look away, meld-stealth macro and it still doesn't work

and sometimes I can be literally hitting something and it works

[balmy condor]

frost gems and corruptions were simply the two worst systems to ever happen to assassination and it's not close

[onyx coyote]

some dungeons just dont let you drop combat no matter how far away operation floodgate is that way

[lusty kraken]

also I am still trying to chain envenoms and when I am out of energy and close to losing it I start crying inside

[balmy condor]

isn't meld great

[royal lantern]

well, then dont say "i hate having no energy cus of VV!" when VV is no even a bigger part of that, and its just the overall desing (+the fact that sub is also a spec where energy runs out and is imo even more noticable)

rogue is just a class where a resource bar exists that CAN run out on 2 specs, thats not a new development

[onyx coyote]

still say try rogue on classic anniversary in mutilate spec will never complain bout energy regen here again 😄

[golden loom]

isnt mutilate rogue on there literally infinite energy? atleast thats what it feels like watching simonize videos

[lusty kraken]

VV is making the energy issue worse though

[royal lantern]

0,4% diff, vanish exists again

[golden loom]

wait I am thinking of SoD cause theres no mutilate in vanilla

[high walrus]

is there any logic or just

lmao blizzard angle

[onyx coyote]

yea its backstab in vanilla

[balmy condor]

it's just meld sucks

[lusty kraken]

I remember assa rogue during DF beta, back then you had infinite energy

[royal lantern]

no logic, meld is just janky af

based from blizz tbh, fuck elves

[lusty kraken]

that was sick gameplay

[royal lantern]

it was dogshit

lol

[golden loom]

yeah I only ever played swords so I had like 3 more APM 😎

[high walrus]

m-muh vanish charge

[lusty kraken]

but I understand why they changed it

[royal lantern]

oh look, i press mut mu envenom more often

[onyx coyote]

Been playing assassination since SSC first came out was not stopping now 😄

[lusty kraken]

as long as the numbers are there even with the energy starvation, I don't mind

also I will not push the devs to change the spec that has been historically a slow spec

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor wait, what does the "mut didnt consume the mark correctly" part mean?

it just didnt consume the buff sometimes and benefited from it multiple times?

[lusty kraken]

I can always just play outlaw/sub

[royal lantern]

curious now

[balmy condor]

didn't consume

[royal lantern]

at all?

[balmy condor]

correct

[royal lantern]

lmao, yeha ofc that pushed VV ahead a good chunk then

casual 50% more dmg

[balmy condor]

I mean not really

the mark buffing mut already happens a ton

and it didn't affect ambush

[royal lantern]

wait the ambush part was bugged aswell?

[balmy condor]

no

[winged quail]

Whispyr is cooking the sims to make Assa look stronger, he's the reason for no buffs. Get him boys

[balmy condor]

that's the fucking point

[balmy condor]

it literally just got nerfed???

[winged quail]

You make us look stronger before on purpose don't lie to me

[warm vortex]

Huh?
Wuh happen

[royal lantern]

Whispyr is cooking the sims to make assa look weaer, hes a sandbagger. get him boys

[balmy condor]

can you read a god damn pin man how are you lost for the 3rd time in an hour when we haven't changed the convo

y'all are gonna make me lose my mind

[golden loom]

WHY IS REMOVE ENERGY TYPING

[cedar iron]

rogue appeared in patch notes too much, were done with changes until 11.2

[lusty kraken]

guys you are making Whispyr sanity starved

[winged quail]

He's trying to plead insanity, not gonna fly

[lusty kraken]

quick, give him a can of white monster

[brazen sluice]

for bleed build and in m+ do we still macro shiv to tea?

[hidden bay]

You can but don’t have to

[balmy condor]

there's no reason not to

[hidden bay]

Sorry bro, zeross said he doesn’t

[warm vortex]

Is zeross the new casual addict

[hollow river]

Worse

[balmy condor]

no because casualaddict can rub his braincells together

[royal lantern]

zeross thinks he is casual

[lusty kraken]

casualaddict betrayed us

to play uhdk

[balmy condor]

he didn't betray us, he escaped

he broke free

[hidden bay]

He’s gonna return with nerfs

[lusty kraken]

idk about that, unholy does more aoe damage than other specs even without blood beast procs

[cedar iron]

the nerf is 2-3%, nothing changes

[brazen sluice]

never plaied as fatebound and we r progging sprocket mythic , do i need to track the hero talent ? or how does it work

[golden loom]

dont swap

[warm vortex]

Coin flip

[golden loom]

to fatebound

just play DS

[royal lantern]

shitbound lmao

[brazen sluice]

its simming like 3% more than DT

for me

[royal lantern]

unless fatebound is on average like 6% ahead, i will not touch that shit

[warm vortex]

Name a better song to play while progging as bm

[royal lantern]

@warm vortex wtf you are in the game

[gusty mirage]

https://imgur.com/1nUZrGo

[warm vortex]

Bro how did you get this picture of me

[golden loom]

holy hell!

[hidden bay]

Nobound

[rotund oak]

Troubled tiiiiiiiiiiimes 🎶 🎶
Caught between confusion and pain,paaaaaaaaaaaaaain,paaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiin 🎶 🎶 🎶

lul

[runic hinge]

[rotund oak]

if you must gooooooooooooooo 🎶 🎶 🎶
i wish you luuuuck 🎶

(yes its journey separate ways)

[dapper cradle]

[dawn seal]

which build do I play on gally

guys

[high walrus]

outlaw

[golden loom]

normal raid build, spatter

[high walrus]

[radiant raven]

Can we macro Tea to Shiv still, out of interest?

[golden loom]

yes

[radiant raven]

hell yes

Thanks!

[dawn seal]

like the

one on the pins

that sayts ds vv spatter

[golden loom]

yeah just play the same as u did yesterday

[brazen sluice]

i hate that moment when adds spawns and ur out of energy and u cant envenom :c gotta rapture one of em for energy

[strange sleet]

I personally rupture 2

most of the time

So guys, wasn't GCD of energy classes capped to 1sec? What is this 0.8gcd cap for Outlaw?

[golden loom]

adrenaline rush

[lusty kraken]

during Adrenaline Rush your gcd is reduced

[forest mountain]

is offhand ilvl worth much or is it just a stat stick

[golden loom]

worst slot in the game

[strange sleet]

but what does that have to do with haste?

[forest mountain]

roger that

[timber meadow]

oh that was cursed my bad

[balmy condor]

tf did I do

did I make mistake somwehere

do I need fix

[golden loom]

he tagged u to answer outlaw questions ofc

[timber meadow]

bro my life

[balmy condor]

owen

you stumbled into my trap card

[timber meadow]

[golden loom]

7 am kiss??

[balmy condor]

it's 7:48

puicker up

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

you're getting a smoocher

[spice spire]

Smoocher? I hardly know er!

[balmy condor]

quake I wish to shake your head violently like a maraca

[radiant raven]

Bleed is really fun and I love I don't have to change any gear

[spice spire]

Yeah and I wish to see you doing tricks on it

Can’t always get what we want

[balmy condor]

I know how to bark, wag tail, shake hand, and spin

[dawn seal]

I think I found my problems how bad is %89 envenom up time

[balmy condor]

I'm not potty trained though so I will be pissing in your sink I hope that's okay

[dawn seal]

[little tulip]

[dawn seal]

is that the up time

[balmy condor]

looks good to me

[dawn seal]

[timber meadow]

man my sim dps went down recently, i wonder if anything changed

should have a pin or something tbh

[golden loom]

hmmm yeah I wonder

[balmy condor]

you're not getting a second smooch buddy don't push your luck

[timber meadow]

one is fine 333333

oh sorry was doing my boomie rotation

[balmy condor]

real

[red schooner]

Okay tried first boss on Floodgate finally as bleed build. Fun boss 10/10

[tall atlas]

you never talk to me like this anymore

[normal mist]

gotta earn it

[sour elm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[young ferry]

setting up my bars to try out ass; do we press mutilation in stealth/ambush out of stealth or can i have them on the same button on stealth bars

[balmy condor]

other way around

ambush in stealth, mut out of stealth

and you can put them on the same button

[young ferry]

ty

[pulsar void]

@balmy condor this new billed build rocks! Thanks homie

[tall atlas]

mutton or chicken

[normal mist]

"new"

[pulsar void]

Beef

[tall atlas]

mashallah

[hidden bay]

Why do you guys always bully the new ones

[dapper cradle]

sink pissing is a certified pro gamer move

[hidden bay]

[hardy rapids]

hmmmmm

I LOVE DFC

[long bone]

Hey guys, will be trying Fatebound on Sprocket monday, can I just macro Coldblood to Kingsbane or should I slam it on CD ?

[balmy condor]

It’s like the is a hotdog a sandwich argument. The chaotic neutral is just “any porcelain bowl with a hole is viable for pissing”

[golden loom]

macro to kb

[long bone]

Thanks

[young ferry]

do we put poisoned knife on our bars at all?

[balmy condor]

No

[young ferry]

o7

[bronze horizon]

unless you wanna reset bosses for the group, then remove poisons, throw knife and vanish lmao

also

[dapper cradle]

haha that's crazy my mouth is a porcelain bowl haha

[balmy condor]

Dog what

[dapper cradle]

misstell

[hidden bay]

wtf

[dawn seal]

how hard it is to garrote wire someone

[mighty vine]

imma just pretend that imp gar/MA isnt better for me

[dawn seal]

irl

[balmy condor]

London alleyway speedrun

[spice spire]

Oi bruv

[dawn seal]

oi mate you got a loicense for that

a bit rude to put that knife in me chest innit bruv

[balmy condor]

Reckon you lot wanna see me talent into iron wire?

[past marten]

Make it slow and seductive

[dapper cradle]

you're trying to take a picture of scotland yard but a london youth hits you with the step cheapshot shadow blades sepsis kidney blind the healer kidney sectech shadowstrike evisc

[balmy condor]

I’m proud of this community of gooners god bless

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

Also stop playing fatebound or I’ll actually have to update the guide to make it work with fatebound

[bronze horizon]

Yo whispyr, while you're still around can you remove my new member role? It's been like 7 years.

[balmy condor]

I cannot

[bronze horizon]

damn.

[balmy condor]

The new member role is above me

[bronze horizon]

At least it doesn't affect role color.

[balmy condor]

I think it’s just discord onboarding or something

I was thinking maybe we could just get rid of the role entirely

But uhhhh

Spooky

[bronze horizon]

Probably can. Discord has the little green thing near peoples names when they're new members anyway. Though I'm not sure how long that lasts

I wonder how many of those are bugged members

[golden loom]

Nah need it see the influx of fatebound fanatics in the coming days

First it was bleed, now it is coin

[brazen sluice]

if u reapply any dot during the shiv uptime does it benifit from it?

[royal lantern]

you mentioned it without thinking about the consequenses

monster of your own creation

[bronze horizon]

I just pretend fatebound doesn't exist as sin. I had enough of playing fatebound when I was playing outlaw in season 1.

[balmy condor]

Yes

[bronze horizon]

I loved going entire bosses without getting my lucky coin.

[scarlet sequoia]

damn

can u update guide for fatebound whispyr

[golden loom]

my eyes when I open the pins

[short pine]

u just like me fr

[brazen sluice]

ty ❤️

[normal mist]

he likes you?!

[balmy condor]

I hate you

[sour elm]

quick question - I currently use Jundies plater; was wondering if anyone knows a good way to track deathstalkers and or splatter? Was trying to figure out how to change the bar color or highlight it so I can identify it in a big pack

[balmy condor]

Steal the mod from my plater

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sour elm]

bet tyvm

[storm summit]

just realisd that for wowhead and Icyveins, both of them have very different talent build for Mythic+ ? Any kind souls can share which one you guys are using and are better for which situations?

[tall atlas]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeYmZMzMmBAAAAAAYWMmlZAAAAAAw22MzgZGjZmZZWGMGzMzMzMzMsZZMDwmZZgBsA2GGghlB

[tall atlas]

👀

[viscid spear]

Is the Plater a standalone thing? I just need WA, right?

[balmy condor]

Icyveins updates slower than wowhead, bleed build is generally considered equal or better

[balmy condor]

Plater is an addon

[viscid spear]

Alright, so dl Plater and then that

[grand scarab]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor where’s your donation link to thank you for the hard work

[viscid spear]

Become a Patreon

[balmy condor]

There’s a link in my twitch for donations iirc

[balmy condor]

Do not do that

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[balmy condor]

!fb

[prisma monolith]

Only changes for fatebound are macroing cold blood to kingsbane and vanishing during the cold blood buff during deathmark in order to double flip coins. Otherwise regular rotation, finishers on 5+

[balmy condor]

Incredible

Making bot commands from my phone at 8:30am

I haven’t slept

I also updated the pin with fb reminders

[tall atlas]

ty whis

[hidden bay]

Patreon only with nsfw content

[balmy condor]

Hopefully channel will not explode

Right

Surely

[young ferry]

does the non-kingsbane build care about cd lineups at all? do you care about sending shiv and deathmark together or do you just hit them both on cd

[balmy condor]

Shiv during deathmark is very good yes

Arterial buffs bleeds, deathmark duplicates bleeds

Buffing twice as many bleeds is good

[young ferry]

do you want to have two shivs for each deathmark?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[tall atlas]

whats the interaction with KB buff and DM?

[balmy condor]

Dm duplicates poisons

Kb ramps with poisons

Double the poison double the ramp

[young ferry]

gotchya. so you press deathmark+both shivs then get two shivs between and then save two for your next deathmark

[tall atlas]

and CB sorry not KB

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

No interaction

[hidden bay]

I’m have sent you a generous amount

[balmy condor]

Ty I don’t see it but I trust it’s there probably idk I’m fried

[timber meadow]

is there a buttton to take money away

[red schooner]

sometimes life is good

[earnest remnant]

he doesent need that, the state he lives in takes it all anyway

[spice spire]

The state of horny or

[olive crater]

Someone has build for M+?

[balmy condor]

Nvm I see it thank you I will use this wisely (a 12 pack of white monsters for when I investigate rupture sniping)

[runic hinge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[red schooner]

Have you heard about our lord and saviour, Bleed Build?

[hidden bay]

surely you can grab 2 of those

[restive hawk]

Only reasonable investment tbh

[olive crater]

Nop, I want that build

[balmy condor]

Yeah surely

Idk actually

[red schooner]

Its in the Wowhead guide because I forget how to copy talent strings

And I'm too much of a dumbfuck to look it up

[olive crater]

Can you MD me?! 🙂

[balmy condor]

We call it tricks around here

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[tall atlas]

for cleave on FB would i just take caustic and everything else is chill?

[balmy condor]

Open the guide

[balmy condor]

For cleave on FB you would not play FB

[tall atlas]

just a little bit

[short pine]

facebook

[balmy condor]

Idc bout a little bit

[red schooner]

https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide Its in here somewhere probably.

[tall atlas]

like gally when the adds come up a wee bit

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Don’t do it

[tall atlas]

ok cool habibi

[balmy condor]

-26% in dungeonslice cause it’s so ass

Fatebound when any adds spawn

[red schooner]

Good hero talent design

[hidden bay]

i might play fatebound on sprocket in the future

[runic hinge]

#assassination message

[golden loom]

Honestly I HOPE everyone swaps over to fatebound, will make my parse hunting way easier!

[tall atlas]

So PUR E ST its good ye i was just thinking those adds are up for such a small amount of time a wee caustic splash will be alright

[short pine]

i feel like a complete idiot reading anything in this chat

[tall atlas]

but ill abide by your rules

[royal lantern]

it literally self nerfs when adds spawn

[tall atlas]

im glad you found your true self

[royal lantern]

your tails dmg goes down the drain

[tall atlas]

right cool that makes sense ty

[balmy condor]

I like the part where envenom is responsible for 40% of fatebounds damage and there’s a talent that duplicates envenoms crit damage, which sounds great for caustic except that when you have more than 1 target it doesnt hit your main target anymore

[golden loom]

spatter is also like atleast 10% of your damage on gally, that shit cranks

[balmy condor]

That’s pretty neat

[royal lantern]

hey, that means you fit in perfectly

[red schooner]

ngl i've never even looked at fatebound but that just sounds... dumb

why is it like this

lmao

[short pine]

how do i know who knows what they are talking about

[spice spire]

Gang I was so close to getting demise over CT last night but I’ve failed you

[short pine]

other then whispyr because obviously i will trust the person making the wowhead guide

[spice spire]

Purple oranges and green will generally know

[short pine]

cool

[spice spire]

Dice roll on the rest of us idiots

[tall atlas]

what a simp

[spice spire]

[red schooner]

as a rule of thumb, if they include a in the post, don't trust it.

[short pine]

i trust you.

[tall atlas]

u dont control my thumbs bro

[spice spire]

But you included it

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-really-what-seriously-gif-13633891

[spice spire]

So should I not trust you

[balmy condor]

Yeah yeah fate intertwined is hilarious. In single target it’s 20% to your target, and then with 2 targets right, it’s 20%, but to the target you’re not hitting, and then with 3 targets, it’s 40%, which is 20% to the two targets you’re not hitting, and as you add more targets, that doesn’t change

[spice spire]

I said generally know

And I got you bbgirl dw

[normal mist]

❤️

The curse is getting lifted btw sensei

soon

[red schooner]

but then that means you shouldn't trust me, so then garfs signify a trusted post, which means you can't trust garfs

enjoy being stuck in the loop buddy

[spice spire]

[normal mist]

i got trolled by blizzard yesterday

[balmy condor]

Withdraw

[normal mist]

can't

TRIAL ACC

[balmy condor]

Withdraw

[spice spire]

Man has played himself

[normal mist]

THEY WONT ALLOW ME

[balmy condor]

Withdraw

[normal mist]

AAAAAAAAAH

[sharp viper]

pink is safe :

[spice spire]

For transmog

Pink generally fine too tho

[runic hinge]

Fashion is the ultimate endgame

[normal mist]

Pink is always safe

[onyx coyote]

I like the classic red and black rogue look

[normal mist]

same

[golden loom]

honestly the biggest crime in all of wow, is that they cannot make good looking daggers

[balmy condor]

The other fun one is that tails coins spatter, but delivered doom reduces the damage of the tails coin for each nearby enemy, so you get into a situation where you’re spattering less with more targets

[spice spire]

Looking at pfp that tracks

[balmy condor]

That makes sense

[golden loom]

every sword mace and axe, one and two handed are just way better

[runic hinge]

One day blizz will un-nerf fatebound in aoe

[royal lantern]

BfA S1 Alliance PvP Daggers are still the best ones

[runic hinge]

tuesday is not that day tho

[spice spire]

And that will be the day quakewar is my main

[royal lantern]

hell no

just nuke it and make a new one from scratch

[runic hinge]

Always has been

[balmy condor]

Unironically if they removed all the self-nerfing from fatebound

[spice spire]

Do not show up to cinderbrew that day

[balmy condor]

It would still be behind in m+

[red schooner]

thank fuck i saw the hero talent concept and went 'nah imma pick deathstalker'

[balmy condor]

Like you still couldn’t play it

[spice spire]

Deathstalker concept infinitely worse (it has no cohesive concept)

It’s just a mini game with random talents attached

[tall atlas]

and ds mark sucks

[red schooner]

i didn't wanna flip coins okay

[spice spire]

That happens to be good

[runic hinge]

yes but have you considered

[golden loom]

this?

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-fucking-get-you-neko-atsume-me-when-me-when-i-get-you-mrtheyes-gif-4157721420697656658

[red schooner]

not flipping coins sounded more appealing than flipping coins

[royal lantern]

MAN ALMOST AS IF ROGUE HERO TREES SUCK

[red schooner]

i picked the least worst option

[royal lantern]

ye

actually looks like a dagger

Not 3meters wide

[red schooner]

shit he got me

[tall atlas]

Nah shadowlands challenge mode daggers

[spice spire]

I’d never doom in assa Chan

[tall atlas]

best daggers

[balmy condor]

Deathstalker is basically equal dps in single target to fatebound, but it has a dps talent that doesn’t do dps, two just raw aoe talents, and talent with crazy funnel

How exactly does fatebound ever dream of being reasonable

[red schooner]

Assa, good, hero talents, bad.

No dooming

[balmy condor]

Deathstalker literally playing a 4v5 and winning

[runic hinge]

more tails damage!

[red schooner]

Deathstalkers does let me dry shiv however and big number, good.

[balmy condor]

Shit is silly

[onyx coyote]

I've found the skinner ones that look like athames work better in transmogs

[onyx coyote]

I use omen of ruin

[normal mist]

the fact that weapons is unavailable makes it shit

because i don't have it

[golden loom]

I swapped over to 7th Legionnaires dagger after using kingslayers for a while and Edge of night before that

[spice spire]

Big edger

[golden loom]

and warblades of the hakkari cause those are swords and swords are cooler!

[balmy condor]

I always edge at night

[spice spire]

Damn that makes one of us

[golden loom]

9 am is not night

[onyx coyote]

I really hate taht timewalking our legendary daggers are non-functional. Would be cool to use them again.

[balmy condor]

You break your goon?

[spice spire]

Yes boss

[short pine]

is there a more detailed guide or video on how exactly to play in raid

[balmy condor]

The scriptures say you must goon from sunrise to sunset brother, such is allowed

[past bobcat]

damn i knew we were getting more energy back for sniping ads with rupture lmao

[short pine]

i feel like i have mythic down pretty good but raid i always feel like im not doing smt right

[past bobcat]

on mugzee ill snipe some and legit refund all my energy

[normal mist]

iirc there are tricks and tips on wowhead + Whispyr videos overall

[balmy condor]

Get bleeds up, envenom->deathmark->shiv->kingsbane, spam envenom, repeat

[hidden bay]

almost

[normal mist]

10 more

[golden loom]

can also always send a log if u have one and get some feedback

[short pine]

i dont know how to log.

i was losing my mind last night tryna figure that out

[balmy condor]

!wcl

[prisma monolith]

Getting Started with Warcraftlogs https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341
Logging your combat is a very powerful tool, and the main way of finding mistakes and improving yourself. Logging your raid, mythic+, or even just when you hit a dummy can be great way to learn!
Here's some common things to look at for rogues:

Checking your resources/overcap: Table -> Resources -> Energy/Combo Points from the dropdown
Buff Uptime and trigger amount such as adr/envenom/symbols: Table -> Buffs
Checking casts: Timeline -> Casts (shows sequencing) or Table -> Casts (for cast overview)

[short pine]

ive watched errything

[balmy condor]

I always feel like

[short pine]

beauty

[balmy condor]

Somebodies WAAAATCHING MEEEEEEEEEE

[runic hinge]

its quake

[spice spire]

Yeah because I’m in your walls bud

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cat-i-have-a-copy-of-the-keys-to-your-house-i-have-the-keys-to-your-house-i-am-at-your-front-door-gif-13903064660228871108

[balmy condor]

Good song

[golden loom]

I did watch this video last week even tho I have no idea what sepsis was!

[spice spire]

Why

[golden loom]

if they bring it back tho I wont even need a pin

[radiant raven]

if you send a ticket, they will add a day or something to your account and let you login and move gold around to do that

[golden loom]

knowledge is power young quake

[balmy condor]

https://youtu.be/7YvAYIJSSZY?si=uMH5-2INBKDdpNes

[golden loom]

I was also watching this earlier today, even tho there is no version of WotLK out now and probably wont be for another 3-4 years

[lime flame]

Damn

[balmy condor]

Why sudden demise so low

[brave comet]

we just wiped what could've been a record for me on cauldron

[normal mist]

Gonna embrace a new UwU era

[normal mist]

gonna do it

[radiant raven]

🙏

[red schooner]

don't do it you're free now

[radiant raven]

They tend to reply to them pretty quickly too 'cos it's an easy way to get people back into the game haha

[normal mist]

now we wait

[brave comet]

what is this btw?

what attack is this

[golden loom]

the toys 2 people have to kick around the arena @brave comet

[brave comet]

so not my fault for dying to this?

[golden loom]

nah its just raid damage

[hidden bay]

couldve asked here if a nice guy gives you gold and you give it back

[slate crown]

Healers didn't heal you enough, OR your toy kickers (usually hunters) kicked them too soon

[normal mist]

i have the gold

i just can't use it since its on the warbound bank

[hidden bay]

yea but now you gotta wait

[normal mist]

you wouldn't be able to trade me anyway 😄

[lime flame]

i think i used shiv in the wrost possible moments , it was a failed key with a bounch of wipes

[hidden bay]

is that so

[radiant raven]

Oh I guess you could've made a level 1 alt, @normal mist

And just grabbed it from the warbank

[slate crown]

lvl 1 alt may be restricted

there are alots of limitations on the characters

can't chat or trade or w/e

[radiant raven]

Ye, but if it's warbank it should be possible?

[slate crown]

may prevent warband bank axess

access

should yeah

but who knows

[radiant raven]

True, true. I mean a GM ticket is sitll the best route

Since they'll do this pretty often

[slate crown]

Yeah, I know of many who have done that

[radiant raven]

Should just have a button on the account "Request 1 day of access" and you can use it every 4 months or something

[slate crown]

If the gold isn't in warband bank tho it asks you on the character select screen doesn't it?

Like it gives you a button and says "you don't have access, buy 30 days for X(price of wow token) gold?"

[radiant raven]

You need it to be on a specific character iirc, yeah

You could have 300k on oen guy, 30k on another. And the game will go "hm not enough" if the token is 320k in total.

I think anyway, it's been a while since I had to do it

[slate crown]

right

[normal mist]

no worries

they fixed it

and yes i was UNABLE to get gold from warband

because i was "goldcapped" for a trial

[radiant raven]

Really cool how quickly they reply to those tickets

[timber meadow]

its actually wild how much people jizz over SD when it legit does 0% of your dmg

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/xinging-xinging-monkey-monkey-monkey-speech-xinging-speech-bubble-gif-17417339258175886022

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/smelling-monkey-zoo-lol-gif-4050322

[spice spire]

So true bestie

I hit top damage on a boss as SD and bust hard

[short pine]

thats crazy

[spice spire]

Yeah but Xav is weird

[earnest remnant]

thats not nice to say

[spice spire]

Dm in the final 100m + full cp rupture 5+ CT and imp garrote + getting PI’d means I domed him for like 40m

[slate crown]

buddy you can't talk about that on main this is a sfw channel

[static glacier]

You get pi on boss 😳

[short pine]

idk how to share log so ima screenshot

sprocket

there was a shadow priest above me so clearly im doing something wrong

[lyric vale]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lyric vale]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

My goat preecharound (aka @maiden rover) knows what’s up

It was a rat key anyway

[golden loom]

u can just send the link

[maiden rover]

You in here flexin ur sudden demise dam in here?

[short pine]

idk howta find the link i opened the report in app...

[spice spire]

Buddy I couldn’t keep the cap material to myself

[golden loom]

oh I see, wanna give your name/server I can find the link for you

[short pine]

Seishan-Proudmoore

rt

ty*

[golden loom]

great, in the future u can just go here -> search ur name, and you will find your profile and any logs you have uploaded from the app can be found under the specific bosses

[short pine]

yes i realized i am a fool

[short pine]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bx3AqY1v6GrKTcm2?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=26

can u even see them if its private without the link

[golden loom]

no worries at all, on that link I cant see it but I found it anyways 😎

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VPQXf6DKgh1wvnqj?fight=1&type=casts&source=15

[west smelt]

I am demisepilled after this key
https://i.imgur.com/cE1rKaE.png

[short pine]

LOL

[golden loom]

@spice spire can u make one of those threads, I still dont know how to do it..

[past marten]

Don't think that's available in sin

[golden loom]

it deffo is cause quake makes them often

[grim jay]

its just not something everyone can do

[timber meadow]

bro what key you doin where 365 mil is 14% of your overall?

[west smelt]

only an 8

[timber meadow]

fair

[shell crater]

Anyone willing and able to look at my mythic vexie kill? It's not a bad parse but I really want to make that move into pushing for orange parses on mythic https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/avZPDMhmBN9CkWqL?fight=79&type=damage-done

[boreal pike]

What key levels is the new bleed build best used in over the kingsbane build ?

[brave comet]

youre 4 ilvls less than the max

[spice surge]

Should be all keys, but at insanely high keys (like 16+) others could still be useful

[brave comet]

also envenom comes before DM/KB

[boreal pike]

So the bleed build is best for keys under 16?

Rather than using kingsbane

[spice surge]

Imo its best everywhere

[pure moth]

thats what i did on our kill lol

[brave comet]

kingsbane after DM

thats a lot of mutilates theres no way

also you didnt use a dry shiv during lingering darkness

[humble verge]

damn

[brave comet]

here's anothere one, shiv comes before kingsbane and you should cast your second shiv earlier than this

[humble verge]

looks like gold boosting might be dead

[brave comet]

i still make 300k per heroic boost

[humble verge]

https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/29162?flowTrackingId

updated literally less than 24h ago

so now it has to be within realm and faction i guess

[brave comet]

across wow realms?

[humble verge]

yes

it explictly says that

[brave comet]

well then its not dead

just make a character there

[coral ibex]

heroic boosts were paying out almost 1m per lockout from the discords im in

[humble verge]

ah true i guess but

[coral ibex]

you're getting scammazzed

this is like 2 weeks ago

[golden loom]

Good thing I didnt swap gold today, wouldnt have either cause 1g on classic would've cost 3,5k retail gold

[brave comet]

theyre crashing

[humble verge]

then you'd have to create an acc for every realm then

which just makes it tedious

[slate crown]

wait huh? you can literally trade gold across servers right?

like, the game lets you technically

[humble verge]

yes

but they are making it forbidden

basically

[golden loom]

yeah feels that is targeted at old versions

[humble verge]

probably

classic yeah

but like

[slate crown]

Why woudl they make something forbidden that they allow?

[humble verge]

idk, blizz ruins fun?

[slate crown]

Like they literally enabled it in DF

[brave comet]

cause blizz is stupid

[slate crown]

They pushed out a patch which enabled it in dragonflight

[golden loom]

I swapped some gold from the classic era severs to hardcore servers and that is not something that is just a game feature

[slate crown]

If they don't want someone doing it in retail, the ycan disable it

[humble verge]

wowmarket just closed down ALL AND ANY gold transfer atleast

[coral ibex]

maybe the new guy in charge is a fan of game integrity and not allowing people to swap infinite gold into classic

[slate crown]

Yeah I'm not really thinking about classic in this

[humble verge]

but i think its more so about

[coral ibex]

they might be tho

[humble verge]

transfering gold between classic and retail

[shell crater]

I thought it was kb first cos that then pushes me to 5 points

[humble verge]

i.e. you have 10 mil on retail you wanna use on classic

[slate crown]

sure

that's fine

[humble verge]

so you gold swap

[golden loom]

but lets say in a raid, for example I am on silvermoon, and a raid member is on Kazzak, we can just trade

[humble verge]

but the rule now restricts any gold TRADING at all

for any mode

[slate crown]

It's just worded in a way that implicates retail to retail

[humble verge]

well, it does

[brave comet]

envenom helps your kb do more damage

[humble verge]

thats what the ruling says

[golden loom]

retail already is cross server so

[coral ibex]

well they're always coming out with new versions so specifying versions may back them into a corner they dont want to be in

[slate crown]

Yeah, and I'm saying it shouldn't and it's silly for it to impact retail to retail

[coral ibex]

if they say ok no more swapping to classic

but then legion remix comes out

is swapping there allowed?

[molten galleon]

Is the Lucky Coin guaranteed in the Opener as FB ?

[humble verge]

Trading gold across WoW realms or factions..(...)... is prohibited.

[shell crater]

Gotcha, thank you! 🙂

[humble verge]

so practically

gold boosting could get you banned

[slate crown]

Yup, I'm not disagreeing with your interpretation of the post, I'm saying the post is stupid

[humble verge]

but we'll know for sure

[humble verge]

yeah ofcourse

this whole scenario is stupid

[golden loom]

I dont think its the rule tho, no way it is

[humble verge]

it is

[golden loom]

cause they would just disable being able to trade

[humble verge]

just read it 😭

they could just remove trading as is

gg

they win

[brave comet]

you should also look at the other mistakes youve made. shiv before kingsbane, shiv @8seconds

if you dry shivved and only have one shiv then cast it at 8 seconds

[shell crater]

Right

[brave comet]

also dont waste your energy finish envenoms at 5, during darkest at 7

[sour elm]

Are there any sim considerations with signet from priory? Simming between Heroic funhouse lens and priory signet and funhose is like a 36K increase on ST

[royal lantern]

well, signet increases your highest stat

so you kinda need mastery as your highest stat

[sour elm]

it is

[royal lantern]

and stuff like pacemaker etc... can push you above the edge fast there

[sour elm]

ohh

[royal lantern]

even with alchemical chaos flask giving you other stats?

and passive trinkets giving you other stats?

its a bit of a hussle

[sour elm]

yea so I ahve about 9.2k crit an dthen 23K mastery

[humble verge]

with flask?

[sour elm]

hard to imagine pacemaker and flask pushing that over

wihtout

[humble verge]

get under 21k

youre wasting 200 mastery for free

cause of the DR

[golden loom]

what

[sour elm]

oh ok, so im too heavy into mastery then?

[humble verge]

yes

[golden loom]

no?

[humble verge]

if hes 23k without food and flask

yes

[royal lantern]

shut up

mate

lol

[humble verge]

???

what

[royal lantern]

what are you even talking about rn

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[royal lantern]

why bring up "the dr"

[humble verge]

YEAH

BUT

21000

IS THE POINT

[royal lantern]

when that doesnt matter AND IS INCLUDED IN SIMS

[humble verge]

WERE YOU START LOSING

STATS

SO YOURE BASICALLY WASTING A WHOLE

GEM

[golden loom]

the sim already considers DRs

[humble verge]

IN STATS

bruh

[golden loom]

if the sim tells u to equip stuff that results in having 23k mastery then so what

[humble verge]

im 100% sure, sim wouldnt want you to DR tho

but

if it does idk

[royal lantern]

it lierally is included it sims

[runic hinge]

idk what a dr even is

[royal lantern]

@sour elm send the sim

[runic hinge]

who cares about that

[sour elm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6mQMyZ5koUuaBuqRLUjbmU

my wieghts are a bit wierd, I play all specs just a heads up

[golden loom]

well the sim is also within margin of error

[royal lantern]

there are break points of having a specific secondary stat, where they slowly start to give less, was added during Late Legion or Early bfa? dont rember anymore

was added so that extremely ultra stacking of specific stats trought some means is less powerfull (iirc the big thing at the time was something with shadowpriest going absurd haste numbers)

which like, never matters, but always gets brought up

and people always think its some giga important hidden stuff that sims dont think about, when it was added to sims the second they got added lol

[royal lantern]

margin of error mate

blue number = margin of error

aka "normal sim variance stuff"

[sour elm]

ahh ok, so signet for sure then?

or doesnt matter since margin of error

[brave comet]

signet is awesome

[royal lantern]

ye

just use what you want

[sour elm]

well im using signet so I didn't just waste two weeks of priory time lmao

[golden loom]

also maybe the sim does something funky with funhouse cause its 90 sec cd

probably not tho

[karmic wigeon]

yo guys im playing the ''bleed build '' and using subterfuge talent once you did ambush how many garotte are you doing before using rupture? as many as you can or depends on how many mob there is for M+ only ty

[golden loom]

garotte is a builder so you garotte and rupture when at sufficient combo points

[twin bay]

the wowhead guide explains it very well

[golden loom]

every garrote is 3 combo points, dont waste them

[karmic wigeon]

oh so it would be garote x2 then rupture and repeat ?

[spice spire]

@uwucutegirl

[iron vapor]

Yeh, garotte garotte, rupture, rupture, garotte garotte rupture... Keep going til you run out of mobs to DOT or indiscriminate carnage runs out.

Then blast in a mutilate to start caustic spatter and get your crimson tempest going

[royal lantern]

i mean, not really?

pointless spreading is a mistake

like, yeha sure you get stuff out, but you dont wanna spend 12 seconds applying rupture to enemys that then die 3 seconds later and you did nothing really at that point

[iron vapor]

Damage is damage. 3 guaranteed CP and a couple of million damage for 45 energy isn't bad.

[golden loom]

@sour elm @royal lantern so yeah I just simmed both and the sim casts priory 3 times, and fun house 4 times (which you probably would never do in real game scenario) and also idk if maybe the funhouse crit is more useful cause ur fatebound and whatever

[sour elm]

hey good to know thank you for doing that

[young ferry]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

Also @golden loom you don’t know because you can’t. I’m special. (But I appreciate the help with reviews while I’m out, it’s a big help bbgirl)

[twin bay]

i will never understand why people go in here with the very most basic question before ever reading the guide xD people in here are super helpful but atleast read a little beforehand. or watch yt video of someone else reading the wowhead guide

[young ferry]

is there an addon that like,
adds nearby enemies to a static frame or something

[royal lantern]

nope

[young ferry]

im finding it massively difficult to keep track of what enemies have what dots on them within the morass of nameplates

[royal lantern]

stuff like that existed once and was killed because its kinda stupid

[karmic wigeon]

@twin bay readin isnt alwasy helpful when you never played ive read every single guide out there and still have question

[young ferry]

why is it kinda stupid

[royal lantern]

turned stuff like balance druid/shadowpriest/warlock into click simulators

[young ferry]

i mean they, definitely still are

[royal lantern]

just open "raidframes but for enemys" and click your dot on every enemy once took out a big part of actually swapping and looking at targets

[twin bay]

ofc its helpful. nothing you could ask at this point in your rogue journy is worth anyones time because everything is written down in perfect order.

[young ferry]

having to chase enemy healthbars around to click them is really obnoxious

[short pine]

what was ur overall on this

because what is going on...

[twin bay]

sry if that sounds rude to you but thats lazy as hell

[karmic wigeon]

ya but sometime the way its explained ina guide dosnt make me understand how it work correctly you wording it a different way might be more helpful

[royal lantern]

happens, no big deal

at worst you have people telling you "check the guide man"

and make kinda dumb comments

[young ferry]

its definitely true that guides are not the end-all be-all for learning a spec

[karmic wigeon]

i understand his point but if he think like that he shouldnt be reading this discord chat lol

[twin bay]

the cast timeline in the guide is super helpful and im 100% sure it will click for you once you try it out on the target dummys @karmic wigeon

[karmic wigeon]

if that would be the case you wouldnt have poeple asking question 24/7

[west smelt]

only 3m, I'm not very good at assassination and haven't played it in a while and this was the first time playing with the new build. Plus it was darkflame which murders overall at the end. ||pls no bully||

[karmic wigeon]

im new to assa rogue i did read the wowhead guide but still not playing it correctly h

[short pine]

mine was 2.19 i dont think i have the capacity to bully

and also an 8

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/bully-soccer-gif-9249976

whatcha gonna do nerd

[west smelt]

cry

[royal lantern]

wdym

just call him a no-life sweatlord

everyone above you has no life, everyone bellow you is a scrub