assassination

[winged sun]

it probably only works with melee comps

[past bobcat]

[radiant raven]

Yeah, this pretty much

Like, c'est la vie it sucks but whatever

[placid wave]

yeah but when you play without an ele or UDK it feels good XD

[static glacier]

we don't need buffs, we need retuning

[winged sun]

ye

[amber brook]

Where is the buff you mentioned, don't see it all

[static glacier]

they need to figure out how to make our dungeon st better without breaking raid @placid wave

aka less tradeoffs between st and aoe in talents

[winged sun]

envenom duration is painfully low in m+

needs a redesign or someshit

[static glacier]

the envenom buff itself

needs to be looked at again

[placid wave]

lets just keep buffing mut/ambush dmg and see what happens 🙂

[winged sun]

i legit cannot get any spec to work

the meta classes are just way better

it is what it is

[static glacier]

should always just main a mage

less likely to be wack

[winged sun]

nah

[radiant raven]

Rogue is cooler than a mage though

[winged sun]

will play dk

[static glacier]

dk have a history of sucking cock in m+

[radiant raven]

DK's are also cooler than a mage

[winged sun]

i played dk for a while idm playing it again since its good now

[devout fiber]

I see people still talking about talents

what did we end up saying

Bleed > Hybrid?

[royal lantern]

who is cooler, frost mage or frost dk

[sonic schooner]

dk > bleed

basically

[radiant raven]

Frost DK because they're undead so naturally colder

[royal lantern]

i would say frost DK is cooler overall

[winged sun]

@sonic schooner does frost dk play same stats as udk?

[royal lantern]

ye

[winged sun]

or

[royal lantern]

agree

[sonic schooner]

i dont think so zero

[radiant raven]

also DK set this season absolutely owns

[sonic schooner]

i m not really familiar with dk dps tho

[radiant raven]

Visually, ot be clear I have no idea what their set bonus is

[winged sun]

well u prob got ur answer on why no dk in those keys

[sonic schooner]

oh no

[winged sun]

fdk*

[sonic schooner]

u want the real answer?

because 90% of dk are fotm

who havent specced into frost once in their life

[static glacier]

frost ain't exactly rocket science

[sonic schooner]

it s like all the fire mages who cant swap arcane or frost

it s just

fotm issue

and also

they see streams

[winged sun]

nothing is easy to play

[sonic schooner]

they see uh

[winged sun]

ngl

legit nothing

[sonic schooner]

they think uh is good

[winged sun]

u need to minmax every spec in the game

[sonic schooner]

i mean fdk

[winged sun]

theres no spec u can just login and do very well at

[sonic schooner]

is kinda empty

in terms of minmax

u just

breath

and be happi

[static glacier]

idk ret kinda feels like that

[sonic schooner]

fdk is kinda like assa in raid rn

[winged sun]

idk if breath is the same as it was in SL

but

u could extend that shit for a while if u were good

get pi at the perfect time

and bl at a specific time

[sonic schooner]

u probably still can zero

but in top workshop

[haughty flicker]

i think they changed it so you dont extend it as long

[sonic schooner]

too much walk anyway

[devout fiber]

Guys noob question here can u break down a Crafted wep for half a spark?

[royal lantern]

break down? what?

[devout fiber]

ok nvm xD

So did we agree with Bleed better than Hybrid KB build

or is it equivalnet

[royal lantern]

it is more or less objectively better

[timber meadow]

a lot of games have that type of mechanic

[radiant raven]

Once sent, it's gone for good. You can try asking a GM via a ticket but it's exceptionally rare they return the spark

[timber meadow]

basically he's asking if you can get like a partial refund

[sonic schooner]

@winged sun check hopefull

playing only arcane

[royal lantern]

well yeha, wow doesnt

[sonic schooner]

since yersteday

[devout fiber]

e

[sonic schooner]

fire is so dogshit

no wonder

[winged sun]

is it good

or

[sonic schooner]

it s just

fire is not good

truth be told

[timber meadow]

yeah you said what so i just wans't sure if you understood his question

[winged sun]

thats not true tho

fire is decent

[sonic schooner]

oh

fire is better than rogue 3 specs

but

last boss of rookery trash

ws trash

top not that great

and so the list goes on

dfc is defintly not a fire angle also

[winged sun]

btw is hopeful in liquid a meme or is it real

[sonic schooner]

i can see frost being so good in dfc

[winged sun]

u can do that with 1 dps afk

that shit is so easy

[sonic schooner]

yea

[timber meadow]

ye its real I believe

[sonic schooner]

in 19

i m sure u can have an afk

[winged sun]

it was way easier in ptr in comparison to other keys

cuz they nerfed all other dungeons now

[sonic schooner]

dfc probably the easiest key but still

we re not talking

16 17

we re currently talking 18 19

going into 20

[timber meadow]

i only see zeross doing 18+

[winged sun]

idk we timed 17 darkflame with an entire wipe

2 mins left

and we even played it safe

its just a free key

[sonic schooner]

it is

are u aware of the strat

to do 12% insta on first boss

[winged sun]

ofc

[sonic schooner]

with the wagon

that shit so cool

[winged sun]

it can fail tho

the cart can spawn in the other rail

gets u fucked up

[sonic schooner]

this is so funy

i think

[winged sun]

so it becomes a bit of a disaster

[sonic schooner]

they managed to force it

to be always west to east

so

[winged sun]

how

[sonic schooner]

idk

but every single run i ve watched

it s always been 1st west to east

[winged sun]

idk

it usually is there yes

but idk why it went the other way in our last run

[sonic schooner]

and i ve watched like 14 runs with the strat

they re usually going fully to the exit side on top of the rail

and it spawns west side

so maybe that s how

[radiant raven]

this pull terrifies my small brain

[real pike]

first night on lockenstock tonight, is it as easy for melee as it seems?

seems like every mechanic is for ranged apart from not standing in shit lol

[sonic schooner]

melee have no mecanics

the entire raid

u just sit on boss

[real pike]

hmm

[sonic schooner]

on the good side

and u re happi

[real pike]

raid or boss aha

[sonic schooner]

and unbind shadowstep

for this boss in particular

[real pike]

is shadowstep naughty behaviour on the big knockback:?

[sonic schooner]

u gonna step into someone with the opposite polarities and instead of dying alone

u ll create a wipe

[real pike]

sadge

[spice surge]

You dont need to step anyway

You should either be knocked right where you want to be or gate to where you want to be

So it doesnt matter

[real pike]

cool

[opal scroll]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[shy axle]

any tips for stix first time progress? did you bother with the raid aoe build with ct or do you prefer the st build with splatter

[sour elm]

The ST splatter build is going to be the go to

stick to the boss and avoid trash; that's going to be the first big challenge. Once trash fires are sorted out it mostly kicks on scrapmasters and good ball mgmt

[waxen hill]

I used a ST build with Splatter and it worked great.

[sour elm]

oh also side note; his first intermission he does after teh first round of trash balls might cause CD issues. Consider holidng until after he lands depending where your CDs are at.

[waxen hill]

I managed to open with DM and KB fit in 1 more KB and just held until after intermission.

[lofty dawn]

when is it worth to use eye of kezan? like how long should the fight be for it to be good

[spice spire]

Sims should tell you

Iirc it’s 7ish

[tardy trout]

how would u guys recommend sim for mythic plus? how many targets, how many seconds?

[normal mist]

dlice

[ancient rain]

how do i get the new bleed build icon? cant see it

[spiral pasture]

anyone have a plater mod with rupture pandemic window? i wanna keep my old plater but just with this

[gusty mirage]

#assassination message react to it on this post, if that doesn't work lmk and I'll manually set it

[ancient rain]

thank!

[gusty mirage]

[soft shale]

tbh the sudden demise icon is so funny

[hot flicker]

Do you think they’ll buff sin further jn st? Just curious peoples thoughts because rn isn’t it in a weird space where I can perform in only 1 metric either st or aoe

[dapper cradle]

Let’s hope they don’t

If sin is the go to I’m gonna do something reckless

[low thicket]

For bleed build when do you use shiv? Only after bleeds are applied or can be used to build points? Like rupture rupture shiv tempest

[hot flicker]

I just feel it’s in a weird space where it’s only able to perform in 1 metric so I’d assume they need ti change something or they just leave it and say it’s a fair trade off but in reality there is better classes in aoe already or even st to be honest

[real pike]

I'm sure the CT build is better when played optimally but I preferred the regular spatter one

[strange sleet]

I think the problem with sin in m+ is the ST gameplay, not the fact it's damage is shit

[dapper cradle]

St gameplay in raid is just as shit tho

[strange sleet]

Make it more fun. I want to press a couple more buttons ffs

[royal lantern]

i mean

CT is more ST when you can hi the adds good

[dapper cradle]

Dmg is just better

[royal lantern]

[royal lantern]

what

[strange sleet]

nah, not nearly as bad

[dapper cradle]

No way you think raid sin is fun

[sour elm]

CT is so not the play on m stix

[royal lantern]

assa is the probably best rogue spec for the hardest raidfight rn mate

[dapper cradle]

Zzzzzzzzzzz

[royal lantern]

[strange sleet]

I think is not as bad as in m+

[dapper cradle]

I said gameplay not performance you bum

[strange sleet]

Execute phase is kinda nuts tbh

yes yes

[royal lantern]

what

mate, if you can hit the adds, you play CT, cus its literally more boss dmg

[strange sleet]

I mean gameplay

[dapper cradle]

And sin is just better on that one fight

[red schooner]

yeah being energy starved sucks a bit

[royal lantern]

you only dont play CT on stix if the adds never really reach melee

[sour elm]

You do you but log rankings show only 1% of sin players running CT on m stix

[royal lantern]

but like, if you can get out 1x CT on each add spawn, you do literally more boss dmg lol

[red schooner]

Like, if we had a reason to pool or something to play around the energy issues would be alright

[hot flicker]

I mean playing almost perfectly I can do like 1.3-1.4 st other classes can do 1.7-2 not even in a perfect situation

[red schooner]

but just sat there spamming the muti button due to no energy with no playing around it, not fun

[royal lantern]

what did you play in the last 10 years

[red schooner]

solo world content

[royal lantern]

allright, and all the "top m+ runs" play Kingsbane in m+ cus they think its more Boss dmg

news flash, mindlessly following "top logs" is not a good idea

[red schooner]

this expansion is my first foray back into group content and now i'm mythic raiding and i am in WAY OVER MY FUCKING HEAD

but ye its fine

[royal lantern]

cus its VERY common that people play stuff cus they think its good and nothing else

[red schooner]

(its not fine)

[sour elm]

Think I'll trust log data of the best players over one guy in discord saying 'bullshit'

[royal lantern]

• most serious groups didnt even take a rogue for stix cus rogue is not a stix class

[sour elm]

Huh

[red schooner]

we have 2

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor pls

again

whisp

[red schooner]

also had 2 sin rogues for richard

[royal lantern]

i have no purple/green/orange name = people dont listen

[dapper cradle]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[royal lantern]

like always

i love it so much

[haughty flicker]

guys if i get benched on stix do i start streaming katamari demacy in discord while they raid

[red schooner]

ye

[dapper cradle]

No just bust over comms

And be very vocal

Let them hear you roar

[haughty flicker]

why are you the way you are

[royal lantern]

then why are you using this discord at all

[red schooner]

even therapists can't get that answer out of me

[dapper cradle]

[red schooner]

despite best efforts

[strange sleet]

I mean... sure, but which other clases do that DPS? Fire mage?

[waxen oyster]

nah you’re playing wrong if doing 1.3m

1.5-1.6 is more normal

[haughty flicker]

yeah 1.3m is like

kujo but the tank keeps the boss 100 yards away so you always have to run to box and stare at it

type of numbers

[fleet pagoda]

context not in my flexathon

[haughty flicker]

definitely not still angy about my tank last night dw

[fleet pagoda]

i gotchu

my 13 FG had a tank pull divers, two surveyors, and a whole group of spinny boys into an architect

no warning at all

[royal lantern]

skill issue

just dont get targeted by the jump

[haughty flicker]

also definitely not sad that he walked out of range of the last boss so i got punched in the face

[waxen oyster]

Why does average tank player think they’re in the mdi

and overpulls

[fleet pagoda]

i think their mindset is more "I didn't die so idk what you guys are doing", not any sort of awareness to what danger is to the group

[waxen oyster]

They mass pull

yet their personal dps

still sucks

maybe im the weird one playing a tank like a more durable dps

[stable pasture]

Bleed build

[hot flicker]

I sim at 1.4

So I generally do 1.2-1.4 as a range

[haughty flicker]

the thing you're doing wrong is not having enough ilvl unlucky

[waxen oyster]

good thing sim doesnt replicate most fights

[hot flicker]

Yeah I guess I misworded

Pure st

[waxen oyster]

yeah like 1.5/1.6

on average

[fleet pagoda]

if you're playing bleed kill time is going to matter a fair bit

boss dying at 2minutes

[waxen oyster]

[spice surge]

Its the same as any other build really

[fleet pagoda]

oh true

[hot flicker]

Yeah but it’s similar to what zero said earlier if you don’t have DM on bosses it’s just over

In my experience

[waxen oyster]

you can slm shivs more freely in build

[spice surge]

Yes but thats the case with any build

[fleet pagoda]

still the case for other builds

[waxen oyster]

how low are these keys that you kill a pack

and insta pull boss

and dm doesnt come back mid boss

[hot flicker]

I’m not doing anything high I’m doing like 10-13 but I’m just saying from what I’ve experienced the st on bosses is quite a bit lower then other classes

[waxen oyster]

actually cds coming back mid boss is likely a better use than on pull

because zoldyck range

[royal lantern]

just dont use cds until execute

hello??

[hot flicker]

Possibly I’m doing something wrong but I’m only swimming 1.4 so

[waxen oyster]

real

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/just-keep-swimming-just-keep-swimming-nemo-dory-just-continue-swimming-just-keep-going-gif-18150218052512398408

[hot flicker]

1.2 seems fine

[waxen oyster]

5m dry shivs in bleed

funny

bad gear maybe dunno

[golden loom]

@coral ibex boss is dead

I got first and last ball

[coral ibex]

W

[manic quartz]

lmao we downed stix also few mins back and got exact same loot

[stone eagle]

do we still use fok for clear the witness on ST on some occasion? or is just a damage loss/neutral comparing to mutilate

[royal lantern]

maybe you are guildmatea and just dont know it

:3

[fallow canopy]

:3

[manic quartz]

i could swear i was the only rogue but who knows

[sour elm]

the best rogues are so sneaky they don't even show up on raid frames mhm

[royal lantern]

maybe you are the same person

[radiant raven]

X-files theme

[quasi coyote]

anyone know alike a fari price for a 0-80 boost

roughly

[unborn wharf]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[eager pond]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[humble verge]

anyone here who killed bandit yet

[rare jackal]

we are on it as we speak

[real pike]

sprocket is a fun fight

I'm enjoying it

even if my damage is wankypoo

[hidden bay]

[rotund oak]

Imagine raiding this tier

[golden loom]

also on the big lockenstockenton

[viscid spear]

Imagine playing WoW at all

[rocky flicker]

Hey, a question. Sims suggest to go haste which is weird. How much % haste are you running?

[fallow canopy]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[rocky flicker]

For dungeon splice, bleed build

[coral ibex]

why is it weird

if you have very low haste then haste gains relative value to other stats

[rocky flicker]

Hm, makes sense. 😄

[steel sable]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[fast phoenix]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[rocky flicker]

Is there any way to sim, item recrafts for stats? It says "too many unique-equipped", should I take em off and sim as im not wearing them?

[fast phoenix]

what WA are most of ya running these days? i took a long break so just getting my assassin rogue geared up

or just personal preference still

[steel sable]

I am all over the place. Running Afenar now. Ran Lux most of last season.

[rocky flicker]

I just made my own, way easier to understand whats going and to maintain it. 😄

Also, aesthetics matters!

[astral oxide]

Hi all, we killed stix few minutes ago and I got the magnet trinket. I think here was a discussion how to use the trinket best.

Can someone share that?

[steel sable]

Use when Lingering Darkness is up.

[astral oxide]

Every time?

like it has 20 sec cd

[steel sable]

I have only run it a few times just messing around in M+ and used it with 20+ stacks on AoE pulls

[astral oxide]

Ok ty

[steel sable]

I have no clue what is optimized for it.

[balmy condor]

Yes every time

You don’t use it every 20 seconds

[haughty flicker]

I do

[rotund oak]

im playing just not rly excited for raids.PvP and m+ are fun and easy

[astral oxide]

But i can use it twice within the lingering buff,

Should I?

[rotund oak]

im also rly lucky on my mage idk

i loot everything

[balmy condor]

No

I mean you could I guess

But there’s no reason to

[astral oxide]

Ok

Thanks all

[polar timber]

man sin feels so slow after playing a bunch of outlaw

i feel like im in mud

[rocky flicker]

Sin has all the time in the world to check the suroundings, after outlaw. It so peaceful.

[polar timber]

need to start playing another game on my second monitor

[rocky flicker]

You can push hearthstone, while playing sin. Or level an alt. It's a peaceful life. ❤️

[thorny lantern]

my kingsbane just got parried by mug zee, how is that possible

[brisk forge]

Damn, bleed build was a lot of fun!

[royal lantern]

raid bosses have a 5% chance to parry melee attacks from the front

[devout fiber]

Hey guys

looking on murlok io

[royal lantern]

dont :3

[devout fiber]

was gna say

because i am seeing people go different stuff

[real pike]

should I just get used to not seeing myself on the damage meter unless I get lucky with procs?

or am I just bad

getting gapped by guildies in similar ilvl

[thorny lantern]

I am pretty consistent with my dmg, always top3

[hollow river]

Not much of assa is determined by procs

[golden loom]

if ur talking about lockenstock I mean yeah it kinda is what it is so far for me aswell I feel

just waiting to get to execute range where we will pop off

[real pike]

I am exactly talking about lockenstock

[low thicket]

A true rogue doesn't show up on the damage meters

[golden loom]

its a fun fight tho

[real pike]

we're not getting too far into the fight so procs on pull matter I think

I am enjoying the fight

[haughty flicker]

What procs

Blindside is good but it’s not that good

[real pike]

blindside and extra lucky combo points to get more finishers in

[vivid mulch]

Whispyr FTW

[haughty flicker]

You just won’t beat a lot of classes in short fights

Best play is to just turn off details while progging fights like that

[hollow river]

Barely

[grand trail]

ilvl parses secured :D:D

[real pike]

I had to put seaforium back on instead of eye because it was getting too depressing lmao

[grand trail]

sproicketlocked

[haughty flicker]

You aren’t getting any useful information

[humble verge]

that wasnt my question

[thorny lantern]

eye ist useless under 5 min fights

[real pike]

well

when I get good ones I see myself in the top 5

and when I don't I don't

[thorny lantern]

I dont even feel if I procc or not, always same dmg pretty much

[real pike]

glad to hear this though it is quite depressing

[real pike]

in the first 10-20 seconds?

[lilac tulip]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[thorny lantern]

you really need to forget the dmg in the first moments we arent a burst class

[golden loom]

I mean its a pure ST fight and like for us we are getting to around 70% so far

[hot pasture]

should we go council on stix?

[hollow river]

[thorny lantern]

if you want to do alot of dmg in the first 10-20 sec go monk or hunter

[hollow river]

stop looking at dmg meter of the first 20 sec lol

very irrelevant information

[thorny lantern]

it only matters how much you did at the end not in the first 10 sec

especially for a assa rogue, we need so much ramp up time to do dmg, that it doesnt even matter

[golden loom]

Especially since we are insane in execute

[pearl widget]

in m+ does anything change rotationwise with twist the knife talent instead of master assasin

[real pike]

NO

[thorny lantern]

than play a different specc

[real pike]

Although I suppose I will have to

we used to spike like fucking mad on pull :((((((9

[thorny lantern]

and what place are you at the end?

[real pike]

we need to kill this boss to find out hahah

[bronze pike]

real chads delete details addon and vibe

true test of self confidence

[golden loom]

I would get so bored playing sin with no details

what else is there to do while energy is low than look at details

[thorny lantern]

real chad doesnt want to improve and is at the bottom of the dmg

[real pike]

top 3 ig

[real pike]

anyway I was just asking, and it seems the answer is yes until the end of the fight

[halcyon grail]

AYO that ilevel.

[real pike]

so good to know

[thorny lantern]

I am only 665 half of the holy 666

[real pike]

think we're similar then

[haughty flicker]

time to play dev evoker

and burst insane for the first 20s then wipe the group

so i look good on details

[sudden kelp]

Are parses for kills and wipes calculated separately? If you kill you are compared will all kills and wipes compared with all wipes? I had never really thought about it, but was surprised when I got an orange parse on a 20% wipe.

[real pike]

this guy gets it

[quasi coyote]

for bleed build is it optimal to stay above 50% for sb?

in st

[royal lantern]

no

poopyblades is a AoE talent

its effect is bad in ST

[limber granite]

how can see gdoc sim pls ?

[still bridge]

at what count do u stop apply garrote and rupture in indiscrimenated carnage? 10? less more?

[real pike]

Rup at 5 really

garr as much as you like just use it as a builder

[thorny lantern]

I love to look at my nhc parses all 99%

[quasi coyote]

ppl saying otherwise bro

in here

[royal lantern]

what

who says that

[spice surge]

For bleed build its fine

To be above 50

But it doesnt really matter

[quasi coyote]

ok maybe this doppel guy is full trolling idk

he seems to be a firm believer but whatever lol

[spice surge]

Like with the regular builds you do not want your bleeds to yoink energy

[royal lantern]

who?

[spice surge]

With bleed its roughly the same

[quasi coyote]

idk ive been hitting dummy and staying over 50% and it does good dmg

[spice surge]

So it doesnt really matter if you stay above or not

[quasi coyote]

but is envenom just more

prob so idk

[spice surge]

About the same

[quasi coyote]

hmm

[royal lantern]

just dont do it

[haughty flicker]

just do it

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

[iron vapor]

The mental overhead needed to stay above 150 energy for a marginal theoretical DPS gain.... No thanks.

[haughty flicker]

yeah i have no mental to spare

from pressing mut

mut

envenom

mut

mut

ct

[quasi coyote]

i mean its like .2% brain power

and in the past we chained envenoms which is like .3% brain power

[devout fiber]

hey guys

so we're all saying to go for the bleed build

but on Raider.io the top rogues are doing smth diff

[haughty flicker]

[devout fiber]

is ther a reason for this?

[quasi coyote]

i think bel likes bleed

[haughty flicker]

until recently general consensus was that bleed build did less st

and higher keys like doing st

so much so that some of them are taking fi

now we know bleed actually doesnt do less st, in fact the opposite

so maybe we see it played more

[devout fiber]

hmm

not seeing it reflected in the raider leaderboard thou

if that was true then bleed talents would be dominating, nah?

[haughty flicker]

did you not read what i just said

[vapid gorge]

is the wowhead bleed build the right one?

[haughty flicker]

yes

and it tells you some talent swaps you can do

if you want

[vapid gorge]

yeah pugs are going to want ironwire for sure

im thinking bone spike is the swap that makes the most sense?

[quasi coyote]

bro its new technology give it time

[haughty flicker]

common option is drop sbs and doomblade for iw and kb

[devout fiber]

sbs?

[haughty flicker]

bonespike

serrated bonespike bc it needs to be edgy

[devout fiber]

hmm

is there an option to get only iron wire

[haughty flicker]

the wowhead guide has a whole section about talent swaps that will explain it better than i could

[vapid gorge]

i did just run a +8 dfc with the build from wowhead as is and my ST was definitely lower

[haughty flicker]

i just dont play iw because pugs dont deserve it

[vapid gorge]

so probably worth a swap for kb

but yeah iw probably not worth a swap tbh. aoe blind is good enough

[haughty flicker]

swapping sbs doomblade for iw kb will be less st

but you get iw

and lose less st than some other swaps

[vapid gorge]

sbs was 1.4% of my dmg on this test run

kingsbane will likely do more

i can keep doomblade

fuck it ill just sim it lol

[royal lantern]

SbS generates CP

you cant check that by details lol

+sbs is a stack for lethal dose aswell

[mortal badger]

yea the openers are a bit clunky without sbs

i personally didn't like dropping it

[royal lantern]

eh

its rpture->fok->rupture then

[mortal badger]

fok->1cp

lulz

[haughty flicker]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a1ABGhDUsaX7DfBqCPh174

bleed op

and fuck iw

if pugs are nothing without iron wire they dont deserve iron wire

[thorny lantern]

bleed is only good for 2+ targets

[haughty flicker]

this sim is literally showing it in the lead in st

even if you do take iw

reject hybrid embrace bleed

unless you pull 100 mobs then kingsbane spatter still good

[vapid gorge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nruQQ9noWRm8royEDnSZQF - this is the wowhead build as is

[haughty flicker]

i dont often have full raid buffs in m+

so i dont sim m+ builds with them

[royal lantern]

just crit

[haughty flicker]

crit is actually our worst stat because if you were good you'd just crit anyway

[spice surge]

Crit doesnt contribute to sudden demise

[vital flicker]

Just be luckier

[spice surge]

So therefore its not good

[haughty flicker]

true

[thorny lantern]

crit is skill issue true

get good crit more

[royal lantern]

thats why MA is a trap talent

[vapid gorge]

i cant get raidbots to update my talents to the sbs > kb swap :/

[haughty flicker]

ngl ive never fucked around with talents on raidbots i just make builds in game and sim them in topgear

https://tenor.com/view/richard-hammond-the-grand-tour-clarkson-jeremy-clarkson-james-may-gif-27415224

[real pike]

manual gear compare only gang rise up

[thorny lantern]

who is manuel?

emmanuel

[vital flicker]

Manny

[haughty flicker]

the president of france?

[real pike]

smh kids these days want everything automated

[royal lantern]

doing 20k 5min dmg dummy tests by yourself and note the result on paper gang rise up

[iron vapor]

Reject Sims, embrace dummies in dornogal.

[haughty flicker]

will macron sim my gear for me

[real pike]

this requires perfect rotation so it's a flawed test environment for me

[thorny lantern]

fuck the dummies in dornogal they are always at 0% life

[haughty flicker]

yeah its a bit annoying

[thorny lantern]

you cant really compare dmg, because you do more if the are low

[real pike]

the way SBS sits on them forever is at least mildly irritating

[thorny lantern]

yeah that is so annoying

atleast make an npc for resets

[proud rover]

Are people playing assa on mug'zee for execute dmg?

[runic hinge]

yes

[haughty flicker]

yes

spatter hitting both goons is nice but sin is like one of the best execute specs in the game

and thats where the damage matters on mugzee

[hardy rapids]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[iron vapor]

Yeah, that last 40% needs to disappear as quick as you can

[proud rover]

ty bois

[iron vapor]

The meters when the boss hits 35% are interesting, watching my rogue damage go from roughly #8 ish up to #1-2 in the space of a couple of minutes is always nice. Zoldyck recipe doing the business.

[subtle tundra]

you should play warrior then!

[coral ibex]

why would you play warrior when you could be an assa rogue getting blindside procs

that shit owns

[vital flicker]

Isn't assassination's execute better than warrior's?

[haughty flicker]

i think arms might be better

[coral ibex]

assa has the best execute in the game yea

[haughty flicker]

but idk

[coral ibex]

dont listen to the woyers

[haughty flicker]

both are very good

arms kind of wins just by default though since it literally has the skill execute

cant compete

[low thicket]

Break fingers playing warrior or chill rogue

[thorny lantern]

warris are just wannabe rogues

[subtle tundra]

fury is the execute spec i believe

[vital flicker]

We have the skill "kick" but shaman still has a better one

[balmy condor]

except they’re worse after our ambush buffs

[haughty flicker]

yeah but shaman kick isnt a kick

we literally kick

[haughty flicker]

ambush isnt named execute

[grand trail]

badnit dream

[haughty flicker]

my point stands

[grand trail]

bandito

[haughty flicker]

Love Ass

[balmy condor]

Real

[thorny lantern]

but why are you so poor sappucino?

[low thicket]

[haughty flicker]

[thorny lantern]

do I need to be poor to make the 99% mark?

[low thicket]

Spends all money on whetstones

[limber granite]

someone know the command to check googledoc sim pls ?

[haughty flicker]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty flicker]

probably mean this ig

[limber granite]

thx mate

[grand trail]

cos i bought two mythic boes ysetredday

[royal lantern]

nothing is worse then slowly feeling a fever comming up during the raid

urgh

fuck that

dont wanna be sick

[thorny lantern]

use cloak

[coral ibex]

he already missed the last 1s of the cast to immune it

cloak can't remove that debuff

[thorny lantern]

ahh shit

[haughty flicker]

shouldve been a paladin

[thorny lantern]

nah just skill issue, a real rogue would have cloaked in time

[low thicket]

Never take your own poison smh

[vital flicker]

Gold isnt weighing down his dps

[plain spruce]

how impactful is dry shiv optimization

[haughty flicker]

dps wise i dont think it was super impactful

but it generates significant amounts of dopamine

so in that way its very impactful

[royal lantern]

iirc 0,6%?

[red portal]

Guys, assa vs. sub in current state is resulting to what? Assa better on multi targets and Sub better in ST?

[vital flicker]

Are we talking raid or M+?

[red portal]

Both

I consider M+ more of a multi target situatioon though

[static glacier]

st in raid is v similar for both specs, sub has 90s cds while sin is 2m. aoe capabilities depend on which enemies spatter can / can't hit as to which is better for that in raid

[neon lodge]

It's normal to have a 50-100m damage on boss variance on Bandit MM without fixates? I think i'm playing pretty similar every try

[static glacier]

in dungeons sin is better aoe, sub is better st

[jaunty basin]

i know tthis might be admin but can someone let me know what i can cloak in tthe mplus dungeons and raid. i cantt find a video or a thread explaining optimal times.

ie.. i know it works well for second boss in the rookery with the orb thing

[static glacier]

used to be a sheet for it but not enough contribution

!cloak

!defensives

[balmy condor]

it's also just not really needed

elusiveness is required for any key of value, and there's no super awkward cloaks or anything

it's all intuitive

[vital flicker]

I intuitively cloak after I take damage and no more damage is going out

[marble hemlock]

real and based

[balmy condor]

true

[haughty flicker]

the priory soak definitely got me the first time

but otherwise most cloaks seem ok

[marble hemlock]

just like macroing mutilate and the healthpot together so no one can ever say youre not using healthpot often enough in a raid night

[balmy condor]

but yeh, the sheet in shadowlands had a bit of spice to it cause there was so much weird stuff

but with elusiveness buffs and bait and switch

like you just press buttons and you have defensive gg

[haughty flicker]

proc cheat death
press cloak and evasion
get healer cd
no more damage comes out

[vital flicker]

You forgot to health pot

[haughty flicker]

i fat fingered health pot on pull

sorry

[vital flicker]

Smart

Less responsibility

Fewer things to worry about

[slim copper]

why do higher tier keys hate us 😦

[haughty flicker]

i dont think the keys have much of an opinion either way

[balmy condor]

cause you're not one of the 4 "meta" specs

[vital flicker]

Low single target dps?

[haughty flicker]

shouldve been born a dk

[slim copper]

ill never make it to 3k at this rate

[balmy condor]

well stop pugging lmao

[slim copper]

i dont know how else to do keys.

lol

[balmy condor]

make some friends

play with your guild

[nova kelp]

ew

[haughty flicker]

[nova kelp]

friends? guild?

[slim copper]

im in a guild of like 2500 mains and alts but no one ever wants to run they all have little cliques

[vital flicker]

Just have friends

[gleaming jackal]

what build are people playing in m+?

[nova kelp]

to be fair, most GUILDS are filled with 10's for vaulters or the occasional 4 people who are looking for that dk to fill their 14-15

[haughty flicker]

it me

im the 10 for vaulter

[balmy condor]

I mean Idk I don't have a written guide on how to play a multiplayer game with multiple people

but pugging is just aids

and you run into this problem

[nova kelp]

you should write a guide on it

[balmy condor]

gotta find some homies

[nova kelp]

then you could link it and tell people to read the pins

[haughty flicker]

whispyr wowhead guide on seducing homies

[balmy condor]

most high end keys are running hybrid, bleed after buffs is generally better

[slim copper]

Title: Lube Up

[nova kelp]

Kissing boys: your all inclusive guide to gaslighting the homies into believing your yellow bar is red

[gleaming jackal]

would hybrid be pref for 13s or still just bleed? havent played assa in a while

[timber meadow]

i main swapped boomie today 😦

[balmy condor]

bleed forever

[timber meadow]

but it is kinda a fucking vibe on stix tbh

[gleaming jackal]

ok boss 🫡

[vital flicker]

Just be like Woxtoxic and have a full group of offmeta specs with the soul purpose of buffing each other. Then you dont need to be a DK

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/bleeding-love-leona-lewis-you-cut-me-open-i-keep-bleeding-gif-23695388

[balmy condor]

yeah and then show yourself on a private server and link it in the forums on your main account like an absolute dumbfuck

[nova kelp]

we might have to get the one macro a day guy to update his sin macro for the bleed build...

[balmy condor]

what a strat

[haughty flicker]

yeah

that was uh

certainly a decision

[nova kelp]

what actually was that

that felt weird

like a pro wrestler move

[lavish wing]

So bleed build is better overall cause it has insane aoe but st is wet noodling?

[balmy condor]

st is better

[nova kelp]

it's just better, and cares about less

[timber meadow]

it's legit hte opposite if anything lol

[nova kelp]

you get a lot further just vibin

[lavish wing]

Than hybrid?

[balmy condor]

yes

[nova kelp]

yar

[lavish wing]

So wtf is hybrid then for

[balmy condor]

pre-buff

[timber meadow]

big aoe

[nova kelp]

it's just out dated, that's all

[lavish wing]

Oooh

[nova kelp]

peeps still run it due to comfort/lack of info

[lavish wing]

Alrighty

[haughty flicker]

ok but is fi better in hybrid or bleed

[timber meadow]

there's really good players who have the info and disagree

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

there's also remedial math classes

[nova kelp]

there's not really though, info just takes time to feed into the zeitgeist

you'll see all the peeps like casual update eventually

[bronze pike]

top end usually takes a bit to get new info

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[bronze pike]

and then they pretend they invent it

[nova kelp]

unless they're just determined to stick to the comfort of what they know

[timber meadow]

lmfao just scroll up to like this morning zeross 100% has the info

[bronze pike]

give it a week

[timber meadow]

and 100% disagrees

[jolly vault]

dont tell that to the guys that were arguing here in the afternoon

[bronze pike]

zeross

[balmy condor]

?

[bronze pike]

is a goob

very good player but takes a bit for him to understand

[runic hinge]

does that get you banned?

[bronze pike]

he will eventually

[balmy condor]

yes lmao

[haughty flicker]

the first rule of private servers is dont fucking post about the private server

[runic hinge]

hell yeah

[bronze pike]

ya blizzard hates that shit

[balmy condor]

he even linked the code that he changed

[nova kelp]

it's like
shroud goes in and dominates a lobby in some FPS with a spudgun
people then create tier lists with spudgun alone in s tier
sometimes it's just the player

[bronze pike]

outlaw players will jerk off to this

saying its that easy

[vital flicker]

Blizzard hates private servers almost as much as it hates outlaw, so Wox is in some real danger here

[night lantern]

I had some of the worst parses the other night, i feel like i straight up dont know how to use mega magnet correctly. Should I use it expressly and specifically only with lingering darkness? should i be using a specific build to take advantage of it? or is it only good for specific fights?

[bronze pike]

whislpyr

[haughty flicker]

i mean if you just mind your own business and dont post it on the official forum then they dont care about your private server

[runic hinge]

outlaw victim complex never changes

[balmy condor]

I mean it's also just peak outlaw culture breaking TOS just to bitch

[balmy condor]

only during lingering, yes

[bronze pike]

do i have permission to post a picture of a modded chest armor that got alot of people purged for 2 days from the game?

its not nsfw

and i will delete it in a second

[balmy condor]

then no

"do I have permission to do a thing that's not allowed"

no

[vital flicker]

They just got a 5-10% nerf in the middle of the week. How is that a complex? Blizzard doesnt care about outlaw

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[bronze pike]

just to give a example on how little blizzard needs to obliterate people for posting private server thing

ah kk

just checkin

[balmy condor]

lets not pretend like that makes them bad in any way

[fleet pagoda]

you could probably simplify "not nsfw" as "sfw"

[bronze pike]

the ret server lets me >:(

this place is uncool

[runic hinge]

it was a bug fix that 90% of players probably didnt know about or play around and they will buff it if they fall behind

[bronze pike]

nah

outlaw just cares about the dumbest shit

[runic hinge]

just becasue OL isn't the #1 rogue spec doesnt mean blizz hates it

[vital flicker]

It was a bug that you could literally do by accident

[bronze pike]

and pretend it wont be fixed

[lavish wing]

Blizz hates all rogues equally

[runic hinge]

yeah and they dont want bugged interactions no one knows about that gives youy a secret 5% dps

they would rather have the spec be straight forward

[bronze pike]

keep in mind outlaw has alot of positive bugs that only a handful of people know about thus widening the gap between good outlaw players and bad ones

[runic hinge]

and then they can buff you 5%

[bronze pike]

thus making the spec hard to balance

[midnight mist]

biggest conspiracy

[bronze pike]

oh no

hes here

[midnight mist]

ye outlaw live rent free in your head

[winged quail]

I think Outlaw should benerfed more

[bronze pike]

surely its that

[winged quail]

not because it's OP I just want it nerfed more

[midnight mist]

you love spreading misinformation idk

[vital flicker]

Im not saying they shouldn't have fixed the bug or that outlaw is suddenly terrible, im just saying that blizzard doesnt care about outlaw

[bronze pike]

not because yall have been exploding the chat every 2 seconds about it

for 3 days now

[balmy condor]

surely outlaw lives in our head and not because it's the only thing happening right now

[bronze pike]

different topic? lets talk about the nerf again

for the billionth time that day

[lavish wing]

Lets talk about that sub buff... Oh wait...

[bronze pike]

anime tlak? no need to talk about how outlaw got unfairly ":nerfed"

[nova kelp]

oh I lie, casual already has started running bleed

[runic hinge]

source?

[midnight mist]

so, a sin one trick, and a ret player have been talking for 3 days straight about how dumb every outalw player is in the assa channel

[winged quail]

Outlaw was nerfed by 5%, it's gone from "literally unplayable" to "literally unplayable" if i understand correctly

[sonic schooner]

fken outlaw players man

[haughty flicker]

[bronze pike]

outlaw leaking out of their containment chat

[nova kelp]

oh no, zac, whispyr
is it happening again?

[bronze pike]

cause they got bugged fixed

[zenith elm]

We are getting invaded

[sonic schooner]

my favorite netflix show

[bronze pike]

even tho they have more undocumented positive bugs

[sonic schooner]

[bronze pike]

that only 4 people know about

[midnight mist]

ye im abusing them all rn thats why i do more damage

[winged quail]

At least I understand from peeking in to OL chat that it has been literally unplayable for years

[balmy condor]

I will be strong enough to resist

[midnight mist]

you are so right rem

[bronze pike]

im not strong enough

[nova kelp]

zac breaks out every now and then to be fair,
1 - this is allowed based on peach name
2 - if you stopped stealing his baguettes he wouldn't be so tempted

[bronze pike]

actual yes i do

key que popped

bye

[plush iris]

zac u looking so cute today

[midnight mist]

come back in 30 min to continue spreading missinformation

[unique bay]

undocumented unless you, uhh... read the documentation ig? nobody is hiding it from u that fth ps does full damage

[balmy condor]

[unique bay]

(there's nothing to abuse about that btw it just happens)

[midnight mist]

tought you had me blocked

[unique bay]

but i mean zac what do u expect from assa channel when anything happens, 95% of messages here are unfunny 9gag humor

wait guys kissing the homies goodnight gay sex XD (this wasn't unfunny 10 years ago actually kappachungusdeluxeHD)

[runic hinge]

zeross can come back and start saying casual is just smarter than us and you HAVE to play FI in 18's or else

[balmy condor]

I have to unblock all of outlaw cause I need to babysit lurk in case I need to give vacations, you'll get back on the block list soon enough pookie bear

[bronze pike]

sadly cant block forever

[midnight mist]

alright

[jolly vault]

this is a massive cope, and I think that is a skill issue unfortunately

[midnight mist]

tought you got into a key

[bronze pike]

waiting to be summoned

[haughty flicker]

its sin we can type during boss fights

[midnight mist]

lazy

[winged quail]

It's more fun to insult someone (French) than it is to block them

[midnight mist]

cant fly

[sonic schooner]

assa guys, i ve a thing for u

[zenith elm]

He was rejected

[sonic schooner]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1212526973830570026/zachate.gif

[bronze pike]

cant be bothered to fly to floodgate

[nova kelp]

can't we just... be ROGUES as a cohesive unit against the opressive death knights?

do we have to infight? This is how we got DK Trump

[night lantern]

for the mega magnet, do we want to use it with whatever amount of stacks we have, or should we wait until specifically 30 to pop it with lingering darkness?

[vital flicker]

I feel like i started more than i meant to when i said that blizzard hates outlaw because i was talking about an outlaw player, but to be fair, if i just said blizzard hates rogues everyone probably wouldve agreed and gone on with their day

[inner swift]

been 4 hours and still nobody invites to a 14 brew ffs -_-

[zenith elm]

Yes

[midnight mist]

no because every outalw player is a dumbfuck

[balmy condor]

you always burn your stacks during lingering

[midnight mist]

and i refuse to play cringe outlaw spec

hope it gets delete

etc

[haughty flicker]

based

[bronze pike]

delete outlaw, make gunslinger

its the only natural evolution of the spec

[sonic schooner]

look at what became lfg with resillient key

the idea was so good, community is doing shit with it

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[sonic schooner]

[haughty flicker]

"my dps wont be an issue"

[nova kelp]

while that is fair, they have supple wrists, it's important to recognise eachothers strenghts

[midnight mist]

thats just someone asking to get boosted in lfg, could have done it before, doesnt change anything

[sonic schooner]

yes and no

because

before it was 1 guy here and there

now it s all of that in lfg, people asking golds for their key, or asking if they could pay you for yours

[midnight mist]

ok and advertising in lfg isnt allowed

[haughty flicker]

if theres a way to make a good thing bad the community will do it

[midnight mist]

so they will get banned and we move on

dont you remember in sl

where people would adv in lfg

[haughty flicker]

yeah people definitely dont do that anymore

[sonic schooner]

yea but it s w/e cuz it s not advertising, it s "hey guys i do my key in lfg if you pay", it s kinda different and it goes with the tos i think

[midnight mist]

meh

idc

do you care ?

[haughty flicker]

wait im actually kind of confused anyway

[midnight mist]

why does it matter even

[sonic schooner]

zac, get your healer the flamethrower now

[haughty flicker]

so is this guy offering 250k for someone to do their +15 with them until they time it

what if it takes forever

im gonna need more than 250k

[balmy condor]

he's offering the gold if it gets timed

[sonic schooner]

xD

[drifting cloud]

thats why hes not gonna find anyone

[haughty flicker]

9s are insanely cursed tbf

so i can get it lmao

nobody applies for that shit

[jolly vault]

Sorry sir I offer you my insane combo today on Priories +11

[haughty flicker]

well people do 11s

nobody does 9s

[jolly vault]

I tried like 8 of them, and most of them were over under 5 minutes

none timed

productive day

[sonic schooner]

ok it s time for some chill io pushing

[vital flicker]

9s are the result of an untimed 10 or a 8 that wasnt 2 chested, its not a good sign regardless

[haughty flicker]

its more just theres 0 reason to do a 9 unless you specifically need it for io

and even then you try to just go straight to 10

so nobody applies and those who do arent the greatest

they arent sending their best

build a wall around 9s

[vital flicker]

I just think if you ha e a 9 its better to just drop it to an 8, youll get better applications and probably 2 chest

[obtuse cliff]

!wa

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[deft vault]

u can evasion the stuns on rik reverb right?

[spice surge]

Yes

[lusty surge]

what do i drop for IW

or is it just a not enough points situation

[waxen oyster]

bonespike

and doomblade

[haughty flicker]

i like dropping deathmark for iw

[lusty surge]

tysm

[haughty flicker]

np

[nova kelp]

DM for IW?

I think I tend to drop spike/doom for IW and TTB

it's all much of a muchness though I imagine

or I just tell the group that silence spam isn't real, because noone plays rogue they believe me anyway

https://tenor.com/view/thats-gaslighting-gaslighting-rd_btc-gif-25393916

[waxen oyster]

i mean if your tank chainpulls like a chimp

you get minimal iw value anyway

[haughty flicker]

trust

no cd sin build

replace lingering darkness with symbolic victory since you cant proc it

[nova kelp]

Im ngl I see DM as a real tea in single target

press button get nrg

[haughty flicker]

i mean you actually do tank dps in st without it

but

not playing dm is based

[quasi coyote]

this guy is onto something

[nova kelp]

lol mate, depending on the tank you're running with you do tank damage WITH it

some tanks out here reminding me of MoP

[haughty flicker]

my next plan is to try forced induction with it

supercharger for those symbolic victory envenoms

huge

[nova kelp]

my next plan is to make a devestation evoker

for deeps? not really, just to troll DK's by rescuing their blood beasts

[haughty flicker]

oh i was doing that

but then i didnt get a single piece of tier from lfr/normal

so lost interest

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hREgN54KLSjsJKDY81QqJL

look its only 31% behind in st

[nova kelp]

you gota think about the end game, keep you eye on the prize
49 mobs, a huge blood beast proc, and you rescue it over there to the stairs

the tears

THE TEARS

https://tenor.com/view/excited-fuego-gif-26833875

did you time the key? probably, that dk is still overpowered as fuck, was it worth it for the 3 times it overlapped and you ruined his whole week?

fuck
yes

[stable cove]

in aoe do you prioritize spatter into envenom or ct first

[dawn anchor]

When playing bleed, CT on single target, correct?

[waxen oyster]

so pwar

[haughty flicker]

yes

[coral ibex]

i believe CT > spatter for bleed build but opposite for hybrid but don't quote me

[waxen oyster]

I mean ct is only one global

[nova kelp]

I too believe this is the case, but admittedly am working on feelycraft than sheer knowledge

[waxen oyster]

rest you spatter

[nova kelp]

either way it will be minimal diff

[waxen oyster]

as either build

[haughty flicker]

i spam ct

[nova kelp]

lol