assassination

[strange sleet]

And the raid is not much better. A couple good players, but most are blue/green parsers

even some greys here and there

[pure moth]

sounds like you need to encourage them to look through logs and compare to others to try and improve

[golden loom]

not everyone plays for performance tho and thats fine

[strange sleet]

yes, I don't want to break their balls too much

but bro... all S1 I was doing 50-70% more dps than them in keys

which is INSANE

So, anyways, I think some1 asked for a sim link of my char. If you are still interested this is it

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3o86L1yVYkjvrWYxGG3EUw

[golden loom]

yeah looking at that I assume going 2x radiant mastery enchants + mastery gems in ring + neck probably help solve some issues

[strange sleet]

radiant mastery in weapon you mean?

[golden loom]

on rings

[strange sleet]

oh

okok yeah

[golden loom]

enchant radiant mastery is like 315 mastery or whatever

[strange sleet]

yeah I have 190

But the sim is done with mast gems and 315 mast in ring

[golden loom]

and u have 315 on the circlet so that would be a decent swing

[strange sleet]

yeah that's true

I should change that one

[stuck knoll]

@spice spire it has been created

[vast shuttle]

is the trinket in flood rare?

[stuck knoll]

It is as rare as any other item in a dungeon pool

you can get it immediately or it can take 30 runs

[hardy rapids]

Finally 2.5k from pugging. hell is over

[stuck knoll]

There is a 2nd mount at 3k

[hardy rapids]

I know

but you have me absolutely fucked up if you think im pugging 13-14s

[warm vortex]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[hot flicker]

looking at this overall breakdown what can you see as an issue i didnt do as much dmg as i tohught i would

[burnt turret]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[jaunty warren]

What is the range of venomous wounds ? Enough to cover left to right over most boss fight spaces ?

[barren yarrow]

Would you go bleed over hybrid for higher M+ like 11 and up?

[glacial relic]

[vestal wren]

👀 is there a new role for #assassination ?
#assassination message

[indigo mulch]

[spice surge]

Demisemaxxing 📈

[jaunty warren]

Yeah I checked the pins and read the ability text on wowhead prior to asking the question. I realize that’s unusual and I may have missed it thus the question

[spice surge]

I dont think it has a range

And if it does its when the mobs are being loaded in

But your deadly poison doesnt last as long as the ruptures, so unless youre running out to refresh it on other targets youll stop getting energy eventually

[stuck knoll]

Thanks Fuu

[runic terrace]

Caustic dmg seems low. When do you use shiv in packs?

[hot flicker]

If I’m honest was abit randomly do i shiv after I have put bleeds up?

[sonic schooner]

@spice surge on I'pa, they let me dot every drop and they didnt burst them

gosh when u add mobs into a boss assa really does boss damage, what a cool spec

[lunar pond]

Rick’s little slam, where he flies up and comes down, I’ve seen rogue vods where they sit in the AoE and take no damage. With a lot of people having hidden binds it’s hard tell what they are popping…. Is it evasion similar to the avoiding the breath mechanic in necrotic wake 1st boss?

[deep gyro]

Yes

You can evasion the amplifier slam on rik

[normal mist]

I'm one of the 7

[sonic schooner]

i m too much stuff

[hot flicker]

So when are you supposed to shiv during pack?

After bleeds are applied?

[sonic schooner]

[copper hazel]

Top 10 bbe

[dawn heath]

Every time i look at sin overalls they are sandbagging with ct even with caustic spatter

Should not be even

[viscid marsh]

Is it possible to have too little haste?

[vast shuttle]

what is bl?

[spice surge]

Exactly, CT should be way higher

No more cringebane, the age of crimson is upon us

[worldly sail]

✊

[sonic schooner]

plebsbane gone

crimson stonks

[golden loom]

The king is long dead

no need for kingsbane

[normal mist]

Bloodlust

[timber meadow]

your spatter is low af

[hot flicker]

Yeah I find it hard to get the energy time and cp to spam it

Sometimes I’ll manage 2-3 then I’ll have to refresh bleeds

Idk must be something I’m doing wrong

[spice surge]

I mean after you have had stealth or vanish you have 5 ruptures up for like 20+ seconds of being able to just hit envenoms and ct

[timber meadow]

you're low on energy in M+??

[analog field]

I read yesterday here somewhere that in ST with bleed build we pool at 150 so we get SB effect? So we just afk until 200 energy and then press one spell? And if our bleeds drop do we refresh below 150 or still wait?

[timber meadow]

you should legit just be like overflowing every pull

not overflowing actually but saturated 100%

[spice surge]

Kind of +-0 to do it, so you can if you want to

But if you dislike it you can just not.

[golden loom]

well you do not let ur bleeds drop ever

[warm vortex]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[spice surge]

oh ye i didnt read it fully, ye never let them drop

[golden basin]

Yo guys, just wonderin at how much you sim in raid ? I barely hit 2.1M with full buffs which feels really low 😦

[timber meadow]

what does your typical opener look like and what level keys are you doing?

[daring hill]

Algun picaro que hable español que me explique una rotación..

porque cuando lanzo perdicion de reyes se me rompe y no me permite acumular

[dapper cradle]

[analog field]

I'm having a bit of problem with energy in pure ST , probably shouldn't cast an envenom rather wait and refresh bleed while I try to squeeze everything in

[timber meadow]

im only asking about key level because honestly the bleeds you do in your opener, for most key levels should saturdate you without needing re-application for the entire pull

[hot flicker]

Stealthiness using garrote on as many as possible then rupturing 5 mobs fan of knives crimson tempest mutilate death mark shiv tea then just envenom

That was a 10

But will be doing higher just trying to learn first

[spice surge]

Are you just spamming garrotes

they should be used as builders, not just spammed

So ambuhs > garrote > 2x ruptures > 2x garrotes > crimson

[timber meadow]

yeah garrote is the most efficient builder across all 3 rogue specs i think

empowered garrotes*

[runic hinge]

I have 12 seconds of imp garrote and I’m gonna hit garrote 12 times goddamit!

[hot flicker]

No I don’t spam it

Although I do press it like 3 times

Before rupturing

[timber meadow]

hm honestly maybe in a 10 your spatter wasn't as wildly low as I called out initially

[hot flicker]

So I guess only twice

[timber meadow]

idk i haven't done a 10 in a while tbh

[hot flicker]

I mean it was only 2m overal

Which is poor

so there is something wrong with what I’m doing

Was hoping sharing the break down you guys could see any issues

[spice surge]

Breakdown doesnt say much

[indigo sphinx]

[hot flicker]

And also my boss damage seemed to lack a lot

[timber meadow]

do you log your keys at all?

[hot flicker]

No I didn’t

I can check if other members logged

[timber meadow]

thats way more helpful than a breakdown

[golden loom]

[hot flicker]

There is a log there but says it’s part of a leaderboard and no log is there or something

[dapper cradle]

Holy

[hot flicker]

If you know what that means

[spice surge]

It means it wasnt logged

[hot flicker]

Oh okay lol

[sonic schooner]

basically keep garr rupt ct up at all time, dont really care about envenom, just press it as a filler right?

[sonic schooner]

HOW

LMAO

[spice surge]

BL, DM, Pot, pretty much everything up

[timber meadow]

this opener is fine.. from here you should literally just be spamming envenoms and refreshing ct if pull lasts long enough. spatter is like your highest priority thing in a pull, so it really should be "can i find the time to do xyz" not "can i find the time to envenom"

[sonic schooner]

that s a crazy exec

are your dungeons logs public eleem? I kinda wanna look at them a bit to improve on some stuff i might do wrong

[hot flicker]

I’m wondering if I’m just sending lower cp ruptures

[spice surge]

Im not really playing any high keys tbf, just doing some chill pushin

But ye if ive wanted to check something i usually upload the log

[hot flicker]

Because I find myself refreshing them a lot

That’s why I might not have time for envenom

Idk I will log next run

[sonic schooner]

imma dif

dig

[hot flicker]

And check what’s actually happening

[sonic schooner]

ok eleem a traitor actually

[spice surge]

You get some interesting experiences pugging for sure

Like my healer shaman that died to charges on last boss top 5 times

4 resses and ank just for him

[timber meadow]

yeah its tough to find logs of assa rogues running bleed build in big keys

[sonic schooner]

i mean

it s "new"

but yersteday it was like 2% of rogues running AP

now it s 11% already

[timber meadow]

kek

[sonic schooner]

give it a week

[timber meadow]

well there's only like 20 logged 15s floodgate period

wait no 40

but yeah not a ton

[sonic schooner]

gotta wait yea

now that outlaw got shit on, we will have even more players data

[timber meadow]

are you coming over from outlaw?

[hot flicker]

Well I think I’m going to go hybrid because the st damage was half the other dps in group

[timber meadow]

hybrid wont solve that - whispyr claims its 1.5% lower but even for my personal sims its identical basically, sometimes sims lower sometimes higher cuase its so close

so yeah its prob lower st and best case its like roughlly even

[hot flicker]

So basically we are passengers on bosses

Without adds

[timber meadow]

if you are new to assa and aren't great at it, yeah our st isn't good enough to carry bad play and make it look aight

i think even for someone whose comfortable with assa - our st is at best competitive

and if cd's aren't lined up, you'll look a liil rough

[sonic schooner]

bleed build is more single target damage tho

🤨

[true tapir]

At current ilvl if you can hit 1.5m consistently in pure st you’re hitting buttons right

[timber meadow]

yeah thats what i said above

[true tapir]

A bit more with bleed build

[timber meadow]

hybrid is most likely lower (for me, hybrid sims equal to bleed 🤷‍♂️ ) but yeah its prob lower and at best equal

[sonic schooner]

probably have high variance with time to kill

[timber meadow]

yeah i do 3 min ttk

[sonic schooner]

cuz you have a 1mn button that you dont have as bleed

[hot flicker]

So can I ask what’s the point of the hybrid?

Prio dmg?

[sonic schooner]

eh

bit more prio but nothing crazy imo

And bit more giga aoe damage but not that much aswell

[true tapir]

Aoe on huge pulls that die slower is better on hybrid

[hot flicker]

Or is it actually just worse in all ways lol

[sonic schooner]

and u dont press CT in ST, wich i dislike but wathever

[true tapir]

12++

[hot flicker]

Ah okay

[timber meadow]

so i kinda had the same feeling but the bleed prio is pretty disgusting without dm

[sonic schooner]

it s a litte bit less

but not by that much

[hot flicker]

So basically it’s just play bleed build

[sonic schooner]

let s check eleem log rq

hired guys jshould be prio target

[timber meadow]

this was bloodwarper prio in a 15 floodgate without dm

[sonic schooner]

[timber meadow]

think whispyr's was even more extreme but not sure if he had dm or not

[true tapir]

I’ve even seen 15+ with assa rogues on raid build with no ct

[sonic schooner]

let s check charger after 1st boss, this dude is prio target for evryone, and everyone has cd on it usually

[timber meadow]

yeah but he's also not pushing so the people he plays with may or may not be actively thinking about anything

[sonic schooner]

imo you lose a biiiiiiiiiit tiny bit of prio (specially if you send kb as hybrid and nothing as bleed), but it s not a deal or break to me. The strenght of hybrid is probably just massiv aoe

[timber meadow]

like who tf knows what people in a 10 are dpsing 🤣

[sonic schooner]

that s a 13 brew

[timber meadow]

oh kk that's good then

[sonic schooner]

i m assuming they are not the best players in the world, but they have a little bit enough of key knowledge

[timber meadow]

oh nah yeah 13s is more than fine imo - i figured it was like a 10 or smthn ppl just doin weekly

[sonic schooner]

would be defintly better to get some 15 16 keys range, but 13 is okish to look at i think yea

[hot flicker]

I didn’t even enter a 13 yet

But all good will learn on 10s for now

[sonic schooner]

and that s fine, no key shame in here

[timber meadow]

yeah I dont shame any key level, just in terms of gathering information for my purposes its easier to come to a conclusion if i can compare apples to apples a lil bit

[hot flicker]

I mean in general a damage over time spec will do more damage the longer packs live so key level is relevant for bleed build

Most pack in 10s are dead before the mage has finished combust

So it’s hard to really start pumping when other classes are burning mobs right?

[timber meadow]

sudden demise xD

[timber meadow]

yeah like the bloodwarper for example was only getting one aoe cast off without dm... so dying sooner isn't relaly that important as long as he's only getting one cast off

prob less important if you're running a non-priest healer

but priests struggle with that aoe in their shield build

[vast shuttle]

can u get both runed underminecrest and gilded in +7?

[sonic schooner]

oracle shouldnt struggle with bloodwarpers tho

i mean

[timber meadow]

iono i dont play healer, just repeating what the priest said to me las tnight

[sonic schooner]

if u do 2 bloodwarpers back to back, surely they do, but that s every healer

[haughty flicker]

wtf new role dropped

finally i am complete

[strange sleet]

I assume that with bleed build Sanguine blades in ST is still a dps loss?

[hot flicker]

i mean just hitting the 5 trainign dummys now splatter is still on 4th

behind sanguine blades rupture and CT

idk if that is normal

[strange sleet]

execute

range

[dapper cradle]

hybrid is over

dead, shitty spec

bleed build rise up

[timber meadow]

most likely the back to back piece... could also just have been scarred from people not prio'ing it at all and wanted to scare us into hitting it iono lol

[sonic schooner]

x)

could totally see that

[haughty flicker]

if a pug ever tells me something about their class i immediately assume the opposite is true

[heavy skiff]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[dapper cradle]

damn new bleed build icon goes hard af

[timber meadow]

lmao i follow that logic up to a certain key level then i kinda assume people know what they're doin

[haughty flicker]

yeah i always wanted a hairy man shitting blood out of his eyes

[dapper cradle]

where the fuck do I get it

[hard river]

@vestal wren you can use for the icon

[haughty flicker]

why is it so yellow

wait idk if i can say that

[hard river]

The normal icons with white dots on the border are stinky

[vestal wren]

haha, also a great one

[indigo sphinx]

I fixed that

Ronkles just didnt send it

[hard river]

what a noob

can get upscaled icons here https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info25064-CleanIcons-MechagnomeEdition.html

[indigo sphinx]

Yee will do an updated one with the silly lense flare after this key

[spice surge]

Me when people say mages have good prio

[dapper cradle]

any good bleed builds that don't run crimson tempest, sudden demise, or arterial precision?

[drifting cloud]

feral druid

[spice surge]

If you dont spec those things you must find other talents with red colour on their icon, and theres pretty much none left

Red talents
Green taletns ⛔

[runic hinge]

[royal lantern]

what about a no purple talent build on sub

[golden loom]

[hollow river]

wtf

Giga

[dapper cradle]

damn tony twoshivs blocked me

couldn't handle the yap

unlucky

[marble hemlock]

[wispy apex]

Can you still recraft 1 dagger and save crest to upgrade the other one?

[hollow river]

Nope

[timber meadow]

whisper had a way more extreme screeenshot he posted yesterday. he did like 50% of the group's dmg lmaoo

[glad holly]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[meager crane]

yo boys weird question

should I have House of Cards before DM in my macro

like should I be casting house first or does it not matter

[coral ibex]

if you really care, you shouldn't macro house of cards into DM because it doesn't last as long

if you want it to cover the end of DM and KB, it needs to be activated 1s after DM

[grand trail]

did not whisp promise new bleed video

[coral ibex]

very minor opti

[grand trail]

really mad

last video two weeks old

[coral ibex]

doesn't apply to signet bc signet effect is 20s iirc

[meager crane]

oh yea interesting

didn't even think ab that

[coral ibex]

i macro it to DM bc i don't care

cbf to make separate macros lol

[meager crane]

yea I mean I'll probably keep it macro'd cuz im lazy

but I was just curious if it matters if it's cast before or after DM

[glacial relic]

STONKS

you guys know whats good in this bleed build

kingsbane cant parry

[frank trench]

Where can I see the different m+ builds the guides just show one deathstalker build

What the diff between hybrid and bleed m+ sorry im a new idiot 😦

[fleet pagoda]

there's a few builds on the wowhead guide

[sonic schooner]

dont ever throw the full image of sudden demise

it s so cursed

better in little

[sonic schooner]

just duo with a sub.outlaw rogue and u cant be parried as well

😎

[grand trail]

anyone have mouseover kick macro which will kick current target if not mouse overing ?

pls

[shy axle]

do i understand priory 2nd boss correctly that you got a huge amount of time to clear the orbs or do you need to do them asap after each other?

[fleet pagoda]

you have like 25s after it's on the ground, something like that

[shy axle]

if i go inside to clear an orb, do only i get dmg or everyone? i thought everyone but i am not sure right now anymore

[sour elm]

you get a dot, and aoe dam goes out

dot stacks so you can only soak so many without defensives/immunities

[shy axle]

thank you, so you would normaly clear orb -> heal up -> clear orb etc?

[sour elm]

yea kinda - if you have cloak you can get a lot more aggresive with it

[fleet pagoda]

depends on the level of the content

biggest concern is aegis overlap with soak

[golden loom]

fuck the aegis on god

[strange sleet]

If your ranged DPS are far away from boss, he does not do the aegis at all

so no overlap

Also, with cloak you can clear you dot, but not prevent it I think

so you soak x2/x3 and then cloak

[haughty flicker]

they fixed that

at least according to patch notes

[strange sleet]

Oh well rip

[haughty flicker]

havent been in priory myself

[flint snow]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[hardy rapids]

Dont ever step foot into another class discord, they will not be nice when you ask questions

[strange sleet]

Well, Sudden Demise went really crazy in this 11 DFC

My spatter dmg is kinda low I guess

[blissful pumice]

if my Kingsbane and Deathmark are not in sync in m+, what is the CD time where we would hold Kingsbane for deathmark or send it and delay the deathmark?

like if deathmark has 50 sec cd but i have my kingsbane up i would use it cause its just 10 sec delay but does somone know when its better to hold or to send? 😄

[frank trench]

I like this question Intrested in answer

I run into this sometimes as well and am brand new to spec

I end up forcing a hold to realign

[blissful pumice]

I am interested in answers as well ^^

[eager pond]

With bleed build you apply ct at st?

[obtuse socket]

Yeah

[analog field]

Not an expert but I would say if it's closer to 30-35 you hold but around 40-45 I would use

[high walrus]

^ I use this but apply some foresight if you know what you'll be pulling 40s from now

[blissful pumice]

And if u start in a boss fight with 40sec cd on Deathmark would you use Kingsbane or would u wait the 40 secs?

[golden loom]

you use KB

cause otherwise ur probably just losing out on a KB cast

[frank trench]

can someone link bleed bnuild?

i cant find this anywhere

[frank trench]

ty

[agile nest]

Guys how do you deal with chain pulling? I’m using the double vanish build but some times even that isnt enough, and also Idk if the double vanish build is good enough for god dps

[golden loom]

Double vanish is good

but good chain pulling is good for us, BAD chain pulling is just bad tanks and we have to deal with that

[pliant remnant]

Google might help next time btw

[frank trench]

i use lycos 😦

[golden loom]

spread some bleeds manually and just play around that

[pliant remnant]

You use WOT

[golden loom]

Like if the chain pulling is good, we get to go into a new pack with a bunch of bleeds already out, so we have a great time

[acoustic sky]

Kezan vs Pacemaker in MM+ ?

same ilvl

[nova kelp]

Depends on your gear probably. But likely it would lean towards pace. Best to Sim it

[golden loom]

Kezan also requires good chain pulling

[acoustic sky]

dslice in unreliable, wasn't it ?

[nova kelp]

No? You just gotta understand what it is simming

Also yeah the use case on kezan is "particular"

Pace just does what it do

[frank trench]

hrrrm bleed feels much easier to play 😮

[nova kelp]

It kinda is. But it's not like sin is galaxy brain anyway.

That's a good thing though

[frank trench]

for a brand new player it seems like alot lol

[nova kelp]

Exactly. This is a good thing

[strange sleet]

I'm having a lot of troubles finding a good rhythm in ST with the bleed buil

Applications of dots and Darkest Night overlap so much for me

I don't have the energy or globals

[hardy rapids]

Thats just how it is

for assa in general

darkest night will be annoying

[strange sleet]

Nah with KB I'm fine because I don't have to use CT

So I never really overlap DN with Rupture

But with bleed build feels soooo clunky

Because I'm guessing you don't want to go above 150energy in ST generally

So I guess you kinda have to think pretty ahead

But so far I'm not able to find the appropriate pace

[golden loom]

with bleed build u dont have to care about being over or under 150

sanguine isnt griefing you

[strange sleet]

Is not?

[golden loom]

nope

[strange sleet]

that's huge then

tyty

[neon lodge]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[teal mica]

Is bleed build generally better for people than hybrid atm? Was surprised to find bleed sims better for me in ST and aoe but yet the top keys are running hybdrid.

[spice surge]

Well the sim has recently been updated

And it generally takes a while for it to catch on

[hardy rapids]

most top players arent scouring class discords either

[spice surge]

Instinctively a lot of people still think of KB like a big cooldown (like it was in late dragonflight)

So it seems awful to drop it, which is why the sim was doing some questionable stuff until recently

As it had a bunch of stuff tied to kingsbane that wouldnt work well if it wasnt talented, because not talenting it was mostly unthinkable

[mossy sundial]

top keys are running hybrid based on 1) team comp & 2) prio dmg to ensure the entire pack is dying at the same time

[spice surge]

But now with a tier set that doesnt buff kb, rupture, ct, arterial and demise buffs its fine

[spice surge]

You say this as if hybrid does significantly more priority damage than bleed

Which is just not true

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

and 3) big amount of feelcrafting and outdated informations

which is VERY rampant at top keys

[balmy condor]

Hybrid huge prio dam (equal or worse)

[nova kelp]

Well.... My mate ran bleed the other day and hated it.

Now... It might have been the fact that he was playing with instant poison on but like... Jusayin

Lol

[red schooner]

Did my first bleed build in priory, yup, I like this build.

Big bleed damage makes me happy

[agile nest]

Can someone share a double vanish build so I can see if it’s similar to mine?

[nova kelp]

It actually feels quite good to look at your breakdown at the end of a key and see a bunch of dots first

[red schooner]

we dot class again

[twin hull]

sin king cat sir...how do i use shiv with bleed build? in CD and out of CD since i have 2 charges...and 2 target muti right? 3 target fok..? so many questions...help

[spice surge]

2x during deathmark

Rest whenever the vibe is right

[nova kelp]

Check vibe. Send shiv

[west crown]

in general an opener with bleed (no deathmark) is just ambuush, garrotes, ruptures, spatter, crimson tempest, shiv

[twin hull]

intresting...ty ty

sorry for the questions...wowhead doesnt open here in my country..

[nova kelp]

Bummer. Where you at?

Never really considered that as a potential hindrance. Makes me wonder how often this happens now.

[red schooner]

the goal with shiv is to unethically max demise damage

thats how i play it anyhow

I know I shouldn't but then there's low hp mobs and the voices in my head take over

[nova kelp]

Hahahahaa that's what I do outside of a DM window too

[twin hull]

india..we have a thing with china and their products..so its blocked..

[nova kelp]

This makes a lot of sense. Tis a challenge to be sure.

[twin hull]

well we play rogue...so unethically is the only way...pick pocket all execute dmg..

[nova kelp]

If I can make a mob pop before the mage gets off that last pyro. I did my job.

Kill... Secured

[golden loom]

think ive played 14 hours of classic today, I am more fried than the hybrid builds place in the meta!

[nova kelp]

Build 5...
Snd then sigh audibly.
Build 5...
Snd

[golden loom]

actually playing warrior this time

so its fun playing the hero class

[nova kelp]

Lol

I'm sad that it doesn't start with the hamstring spam patch

[red schooner]

Classic is a vibe, though I just level to 60 then go fuck the endgame and make a new character

Life is chill

[nova kelp]

A long long time ago. Before the rage nerf and weapon normalisation

We just slammed hamstring never ending.

[golden loom]

I think worldbuffs are enough rage gen to do it even without aq gear

[nova kelp]

Gods we did so much damage

[golden loom]

parsing meta is still hamstring spam to fish for procs

[nova kelp]

Yeah. It's not like it was though

Hamstring did full weapon damage back then

[golden loom]

ah well that sounds crazy

[nova kelp]

Youd do like 70% of the raids damage

[golden loom]

this class does not need to be more broken

[coral ibex]

my favorite thing to do in classic is to play rogue and make my RL mad that i won't roll warrior

[nova kelp]

My favourite thing to do in classic is never touch it.

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-warcraft-wow-gif-11008475980691198481

99

[nova kelp]

I played it when it was current. Don't need to do it again.

[golden loom]

I did not cause im not old!

[coral ibex]

classic warrior is too sweaty for me to be in a classic mmo

[golden loom]

actually true

[nova kelp]

Me

[golden loom]

this shit is way more complicated than retail sin rogue

and im only lvl 50

[coral ibex]

its just fun to play rogue and outparse most of the warriors

a good rogue > a skill issued warrior

[golden loom]

but I also already lvled 2 rogues to 60 in hardcore and I wanted to do something new

[coral ibex]

fair

[nova kelp]

Classic is a solved game. And yet people are still pepegastruggle

[golden loom]

and I dont wanna be on IEA duty again

[coral ibex]

oh bro that's an easy solve

"if i do more dps than a warrior he should be sundering"

[nova kelp]

Luls

[golden loom]

just having a IEA rogue is 5% raid dps

its not balanced..

[nova kelp]

"wait for 5 sunders"

[coral ibex]

you should be better than the 5 worst warriors in the raid bro

cmon

those dweebs should be sundering

1 gcd

5 sunders

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[golden loom]

problem is that the rogue class leader also wanted a IEA rogue and I cannot compete with the goat

[nova kelp]

"watch your threat"
"Level lock picking"
"Craft poisons"
"Soul shards"
"Ammo"
"Pull with throw weapon"

[golden loom]

now I could tho!

[nova kelp]

Fuck

Still though. Classic > tbc

[golden loom]

I wanna try tbc when it launches

[nova kelp]

If you've never gotten to play it you should. If you play rogue or melee in general though. Enjoy getting your dst

Lol

[golden loom]

cant transfer either of my rogues to the servers that will transition into TBC so probably gonna end up transfering this warrior there when it happens

just gotta make my own guild and hard res glaives

[coral ibex]

黄色忍者 Yellow Ninja 申请摧毁盔甲 Apply Destroy the armor 中等伤害 Moderate damage 获得战刃优先 Evil Brown Man steal Demon swords

welcome to tbc rogue

[golden loom]

but idk I've only played classic and tww, and like 18 hours of cata classic dungeon finder lvling to 55

[coral ibex]

黄色忍者 Yellow Ninja and Brown Angry Man 申请摧毁盔甲 Fight for Glaive Prio 中等伤害 Glaive Does Not Drop 获得战刃优先 Blue Chad Gets Siphon Bonker

[nova kelp]

Dst is dragon spine trophy. It's a trinket from gruul. And it will be the singular reason that you will have to kill gruul for the entirety of tbcs lifespan

[coral ibex]

wotlk classic ulduar hm's were peak

that shit banged

[golden loom]

yeah I've watched a lot of TBC/WOTLK content even with never having played them

I just like learning stuff even if it has no relevance to me

[coral ibex]

if you want to play peak rogue its wotlk

for sure

assa and combat both viable

[nova kelp]

Wrath is an overrated xpac. BUT uld is goated. And grizzly hills fucking bangs

[golden loom]

I do wanna try some FoK aoe farming

[devout fiber]

!plater

[golden loom]

or FoKing the ulduar trash

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[coral ibex]

have you seen the kologarn parse strat

foking both hands to cleave off the body

[nova kelp]

There's a weird interaction that should stay in place for dks in wrath though imo

There was a trinket in uld that reduced mana cost by like 149 mana or some shit

It was GIIIIIIIIIIIGA bis on frost dks

Because for some fucking reason it reduced the cost of frost strike

[devout fiber]

hey guys going a bit crazy

[golden loom]

Honestly my favorite strat I've seen in any version of the game is Polarity Sapphiron in classic

[devout fiber]

what's the proc called for ur fan of knives

that gives u more CP

[nova kelp]

So your frost strike costed 1 power

[golden loom]

Clear the witness, hero talent

if you mean just getting a lot though, its from critting and seal fate doing its work

Fan is baseline 1 combo point but each target it crits on gives +1 combo point due to that talent

[devout fiber]

i had a wWA

that was proccing my fan of knives

and it'd generate more CP's

i think it was Clear the witness

[golden loom]

Clear the Witness gives 1 extra combo point baseline yeah

[devout fiber]

Ok and just 1 more question. I am doing a Raid, do i need to proc internal bleeding in any speical way

[coral ibex]

seal fate also gives you more cp but that's any generator that crits

um

im not sure what you mean

[golden loom]

nope its just extra rupture damage

[coral ibex]

it just gives you bonus damage

[devout fiber]

ok sweet

im only use to M+

[golden loom]

but only play it on lockestock

[coral ibex]

you only use internal bleeding in 1 fight btw

[golden loom]

all other raid fights, take caustic

[devout fiber]

oh

running this

[golden loom]

Switch out tiny toxic blade for arterial

[devout fiber]

for Raids?

[golden loom]

usually if caustic is good, AP is good cause ur probably hitting more than 1 target with shiv at some point

ye

oh and

remove the 2 points in lethality

take super charger + forced induction

[nova kelp]

Seconded on all these points

[golden loom]

and atrophic poison instead of mind numbing

unless ur multiple rogues I guess

[devout fiber]

bro i copied this

from wowhead xD

is this wrong so much

[runic hinge]

Send me the link

[golden loom]

this is what I see on wowhead

[coral ibex]

yea there's no way you copied a raid build from wowhead that has lethality in current patch

[odd creek]

Guys, do you know any rupture and garrote tracker weak aura?

Something to show like on how many targets you have garrote/rupture out of a number

Like rupture on 7/14 and garrote on 10/14 (just an example)

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[odd creek]

Is it in one of these?

[devout fiber]

I HAVE 1

[odd creek]

Please dm me

[grim jay]

its entirely useless

tho

[devout fiber]

https://wago.io/qzAiauqbZ

[odd creek]

Why so?

[grim jay]

because you only rupture for scent stacks as it stands now

which is 5 ruptures

trackable by the scent buff

and its also not really important to garrote everything

its fine to miss a mob

[strange python]

I've gone from 15k to 4k on just repairs. Screw the underpin. x)

[empty tide]

is VV increased by zoldyck or nah?

[spice surge]

Yes it should be

[odd creek]

@grim jay i know but its easier to track when bleeds are falling off so you can vanish and reapply them

[odd creek]

Thanks but i dont like these bars

[devout fiber]

thts the best

[grim jay]

its quite literally really close to the duration of your targets dots

so not really useful either

[empty tide]

yeah

VV saying nature dmg and zoldyck saying poisons got me thinking

[odd creek]

Nah, i want something like that

[runic hinge]

I use whispyrs WA pack and plater but maybe I’m just a fan boy

[odd creek]

It calculates the no. of mobs from the pull and tells you on how many you have bleeds

[strange sleet]

Try this one and change flame shock ID for Rupture/garrote/ct ID

https://wago.io/vozShamanFlameShock

[odd creek]

I ll take a look tomorrow

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[odd creek]

Thanks, hope it works!

[runic hinge]

Both in there

[odd creek]

Thx guys, highly appreciated

[grand trail]

!ct

do we still ct st in bleed build?

[waxen oyster]

I assume it means ct on singletarget

which, not sure if worth in bleed

[haughty flicker]

worth in bleed

[wooden star]

It is

[haughty flicker]

if no amp poison ct in st

[balmy condor]

CT big

[waxen oyster]

i got a fat 19m sd

in dfc

[grand trail]

yeah ct big spell for sure

[waxen oyster]

Oh its 100% worth anytime more than 1 target

[grand trail]

and if i happen to wanna play iron wire i drop ma?

[waxen oyster]

whispyr math says smallest loss is bonespike

[haughty flicker]

drop deathmark

[grand trail]

cool

[haughty flicker]

swap lingering for symbolic victory

trust

[waxen oyster]

pvpers do this

and idk why

[devout fiber]

What is causing this ugliness?

[haughty flicker]

probably same reason they dont use kingsbane often

or flag

anything that takes time they dont like

[waxen oyster]

im psure they play flag

[runic hinge]

Do you PvP

[devout fiber]

ye

[runic hinge]

Is it big debuffs

[devout fiber]

ahhh

[runic hinge]

[hearty reef]

When the demise

Is sudden

[haughty flicker]

nah

[waxen oyster]

will sd proc on your groupmates

[haughty flicker]

they do sometimes but its not super popular

[waxen oyster]

if they drop below

[waxen oyster]

honestly soemtimes when i did pvp for enchant, even getting mark up can be annoying

spend first 2-3 subter gcds doing cc

then get cced

no more ambush avail

[haughty flicker]

pmuch ye

[waxen oyster]

idk why corrupt the blood does so much

diff pvp mods i assume

[royal lantern]

when the toxic blade is tiny

[hearty reef]

Shiv talents 🤮

Green talents 🤮

[coarse summit]

tracking rupture 4 different places in this pic

[devout fiber]

!tierset

[royal lantern]

its like those BN/WotLK UI screenshot pics

randomly tracking the same ussules information 30x at once

[devout fiber]

!tier

!tier set

[hearty reef]

Red talents

[devout fiber]

D:

Is there an order of getting Crafter Gear?

!gear

what is the command!!

I have head and legs rn

[royal lantern]

embelishment items and then fill slots

what else lol

[devout fiber]

sorry i meant for catalyst

[royal lantern]

what you have avaible?

what else lol

[devout fiber]

i have Shoulder, Chest, Gloves

[midnight atlas]

doesnt matter, just get 4, you figure out later the minmax gear pieces

[waxen oyster]

assa can wear any

[runic hinge]

Yeah like I am not wearing legs which is crit/master cause it wants something different cause of my crafted gear all being crit/mast. you can just wear highest ilvl

[waxen oyster]

get high haste neck

wear crit mast everywhere else

[bronze pike]

i like how quiet this channel is compared to the 109108792179 messages in outlaw

[runic hinge]

They have adhd so they have to type every sentence in 5 word lines. If they don’t hit their enter button every 3 seconds their computer will explode too

[opaque lark]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[bronze pike]

real

[hearty reef]

!mistakes

[grand trail]

damn spawing add at last boss rookery should illegal by now

[hearty reef]

They weak tho

[haughty flicker]

ive literally never seen that happen even in pugs

didnt even know it was a mechanic until someone said it yesterday lmao

[red schooner]

Happened to me three times in one fight earlier today but... more targets to bleed, its fine

This is why you don't trust a chicken with a mechanic

[coral ibex]

huh

how do you spawn adds on last boss rookery

never seen that happen lol

is it missing a rock with the soaks?

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[coral ibex]

lmao

[onyx gyro]

i guess we #1 with outlaw bug fix

[grand trail]

[red schooner]

by trusting a boomkin

never trust a boomkin

[haughty flicker]

god i hate boomkins

[coral ibex]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ColorfulCuteKeyboardOSsloth-c1jrBiFcA53dV5sa

[red schooner]

they're either fantastic or actually played by chickens pecking at a keyboard

there's no inbetween

[haughty flicker]

idk i think im inbetween

im better than a chicken but not fantastic

[red schooner]

you just swap forms between each pull

its a roll of the dice

[haughty flicker]

maybe im just a million monkeys with typewriters

would that count as account sharing

[red schooner]

sending blizz to your house rn bud you're fucked

[haughty flicker]

a million monkeys wouldnt fit in a house dumbass

we're worldwide

gl catching us

[devout fiber]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sPxS3Rcyavgv8xiTQDKvyy

So upgrading my Myth Dagger is better than recrafting my crafted dagger?

[red schooner]

i'm sure someone at blizz has played ape escape before

they have practice

[haughty flicker]

just glancing through it looks like you didnt have any where crafted dagger was in mh

you need to set it for both hands

but also it costs the same amount of gilded as upgrading the one you have but is 3 ilvls lower so

[devout fiber]

I have crafted cape

and crafted offhand dagger

since my main dagger is myth already

[haughty flicker]

well the point being upgrading mainhand will win vs upgrading oh literally every time

so you arent really simming anything there

[devout fiber]

oh i see

[red schooner]

OH is basically a stat stick that allows us to mutilate

[devout fiber]

so basically i've simmed this wrong

[red schooner]

It ain't really all that good damage wise

[devout fiber]

so need to do it like this then

[haughty flicker]

ive noticed a problem

a bit of an issue one could say

thats an int dagger friend

[devout fiber]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[halcyon grail]

RIP eternally,

[hollow river]

[halcyon grail]

[balmy condor]

⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️

[haughty flicker]

[hollow river]

Ggs cuz

[devout fiber]

how did this happen

[halcyon grail]

rest in pieces

[balmy condor]

you didn't check what you were crafting

[hollow river]

You have to craft Everforged Stabber, not “Dagger”

Everforged Dagger is the Int dagger

[devout fiber]

wow

[pliant remnant]

[grand trail]

zerocool special

[balmy condor]

[halcyon grail]

https://tenor.com/view/el-risitas-juan-joya-borja-ratones-coloraos-laugh-meme-laughing-man-gif-24899295

[hollow river]

Have you been using double int daggers?

[halcyon grail]

I may have peed a bit

[devout fiber]

pretty much ahahahahah

[halcyon grail]

that was gud

[hollow river]

Or is this a sim of daggers u haven’t crafted

Omg

[grand trail]

whispyr where that promised video

[hollow river]

How long

[pliant remnant]

[hollow river]

Have u been using them

[pliant remnant]

[devout fiber]

yep

[grand trail]

im having cake and nothing to watch with

[devout fiber]

i was informed by a friend to craft this

[hollow river]

How long

[pliant remnant]

ex-friend

surely

[haughty flicker]

well crafting a dagger was a good idea

just not this dagger

[grand trail]

surely he did not say int one

[hollow river]

On the bright side

Your dps is about to shoot up

[pliant remnant]

It can only go up from here

[hollow river]

A lot

[pliant remnant]

[grand trail]

just reforge int into agi

[haughty flicker]

next week is a big one

4 weeks in and finally agi dagger

[devout fiber]

wow

times are tough

[hollow river]

You can’t recraft them I thought

[haughty flicker]

that would actually solve a lot of issues lmao

[dapper cradle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1255570724861771896/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_2.gif

[halcyon grail]

you can recraft, but it has to be the same item.

[hollow river]

It’s like fully wasted Sparks and Crests

[haughty flicker]

actually that would be fantastic if you could recraft main stat

[devout fiber]

sooooo

[grand trail]

you cant

[hidden bay]

you can open a ticket and ask GM to help you, make sure to tell him you were drunk

[haughty flicker]

if you could my druid would finally actually have a weapon for feral

[devout fiber]

basically i have to wait till next week

[haughty flicker]

recraft to agi when i wanna be a cat

back to int for chicken gaming

[grand trail]

just dont tell anyone

[haughty flicker]

yeah we'll all delete the last 5 minutes of messages

[grand trail]

safe space here

[haughty flicker]

nobody will know

[hollow river]

Use whatever agi daggers u have for now, but yeah

[devout fiber]

wow

i hope I gave everyone a good chuckle

[haughty flicker]

dw you werent the first

and wont be the last

literal world first raider crafted a weapon with wrong stat this tier

[devout fiber]

Is my crafted cape bad?

[grand trail]

you nailed that cape craft mate

50/50 not bad

[coral ibex]

you should make your friend pay for the mats

[haughty flicker]

daggers cost like 500 gold though

[devout fiber]

Currently accepting donations on Horde Kazzak

[grand trail]

me too

[haughty flicker]

i like money too

[grand trail]

after i bough both helm and feet boe

[haughty flicker]

anyone on A52 wanna send me money i wont complain

[brittle moat]

since best m+ build only runs one charge of shiv, when is it best to use shiv in and out of CDs?

[runic hinge]

what do you mean best

[pliant remnant]

Best M+ build uses two charges of Shiv

[idle inlet]

do we ct in single target in the hybrid build or is it 2+ targets?

[haughty flicker]

[runic hinge]

only ct in ST if you dont have amp poison talented

[devout fiber]

Which WQ is it that gives u half a spark?

[haughty flicker]

in hybrid no

since you use amp poison

[idle inlet]

cool

[brittle moat]

murlokio says 46 of top 50 sin rogues dont have the second charge of shiv talent

or i mean 44 out of top 50

[runic hinge]

yeah and theyre behind the times

[pliant remnant]

Yeap

[runic hinge]

data aggregate sites will lead you astray

[pliant remnant]

Bros are stubborn

[haughty flicker]

its actually pretty cursed that these sites came to wow

[haughty flicker]

build arguments aside, you use shiv in the last half of kb

if you only have one charge

[brittle moat]

so casual addict and other best rogues are doing it wrong?

[runic hinge]

theyre just behind the times

New things have come to light and optimizations have been made

[haughty flicker]

casual has been playing some insanely cursed shit recently

even hybrid vs bleed aside

[runic hinge]

He also playing Forced induction which is just

[haughty flicker]

i respect the cooking though

[runic hinge]

-9% aoe for 2% ST

[grand trail]

casual said he would play DK if he werent going away

he is going to sam band tour or what

[haughty flicker]

i should play dk

[grand trail]

kush play dk jpc play dk

its dk season for mdi

[haughty flicker]

actually i would play dk

but idk how to get a decent fucking weapon for lvl 70 to even play unholy

i just have 1hs and im not playing frost

fuck that

and greens at lvl 70 are like 15k for some reason

well, this reason ig

[grand trail]

they just milkin all those fotm rerollesrs

[unborn wharf]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[haughty flicker]

idk why there isnt just like

a vendor that sells baseline lvl 70 gear

or maybe there is and i just cant find it

time to go do dreamsurge for a weapon ig

[merry tapir]

i feel pretty useless on ToP ST mini bosses

[haughty flicker]

it do be like that

[sonic schooner]

@spice surge ok now it s starting to be funny

[haughty flicker]

[sonic schooner]

damage repartition in 12's is hilarious idk

[frank trench]

so when is best time to use mega magnet?

or what should i bind it to?

err macro it into

[vivid mulch]

I heard during lingering darkness

[spice surge]

BOP

[halcyon grail]

kek

[iron vapor]

!talents

!spec

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[severe meadow]

At the end of lingering

[neon lodge]

How are you hitting that hard with Sudden Demise, do you vanish, dot and shiv at 35%

[sonic schooner]

i legit didnt play arround it

it just happened

during my deathmark

[haughty flicker]

yeah if people are pumping your prio target gets deleted during dm

so you can get big demise

[cerulean walrus]

Biggest demise so far was like 27m

For me

Very funny

And of course the 3 yes men sudden demise

[sudden kelp]

Can you cloak and soak all the balls in priory (I can't remember the boss name)? I was trying to yesterday, but dying.

[royal lantern]

no

you can cloak the dot away

but you still get new dot stacks with cloak active

so you can like, soak 1-2 and cloak the dot away (going 2 is allready REALLY spicy there and can kill you tbh), thats it

[sudden kelp]

ok, thanks

[haughty lantern]

question, got a house of cards out of my weekly timewalking chest

do i macro it to kingsbane or deathmark? (or neither?)

[spice surge]

You can also feint the dot

[spice surge]

Deathmark

[haughty lantern]

gotcha

simming myself to check if it's better or worse than signet at equal ilvl

[runic hinge]

they are very close

[cerulean walrus]

I’ma Big Bleeda

[twin hull]

if im playing cleave build for TOP...do i still need to apply CT on single target?

[stuck knoll]

yet you lack the role curious

[sonic schooner]

non bleeder role

shame

[cerulean walrus]

But I have it though

Slander?

[balmy condor]

Slander

[balmy condor]

If you have amp poison you don’t ct

[snow hamlet]

oh wait,I always thought it was with kb to overwrite its dot last second

[spice surge]

Thats some 10.2 shit, last tick of kb aint shit anymore

You cap it after like 4 seconds so the last 4 ticks all do the same

And its less than an envenom per tick

The big darkest night envenoms do more than the entire kingsbane

[snow hamlet]

got it

[jaunty matrix]

hello

is caustic supposed to be my highest dmg ability in a dungeon or crimson ?

in overall dmg

[balmy condor]

Depends on the build

[jaunty matrix]

this build

[haughty flicker]

[jaunty matrix]

last one was wrong, ignore it

[balmy condor]

erm

so where's the right one

[jaunty matrix]

this one is the right one

deleted the wrong one

[balmy condor]

that's a raid build

[jaunty matrix]

oof

[haughty flicker]

i think spatter and ct are both going to be pretty low

[balmy condor]

the one you deleted is a hybrid build

in which case, probably spatter should be higher

or at least CT should be near equal with caustic

but yeh, that build takes neither, so it's going to struggle

[jaunty matrix]

ct was higher by a bit

but maybe it was because it was a low key

mobs didn't live long enough for causter to do max dmg

does sudden demise execute works on dungeon bosses ?

probably not

would be insane

[spice surge]

It does

[jaunty matrix]

wtf

[spice surge]

But its not insane

You probably have a missunderstanding of how sudden demise works

[jaunty matrix]

below 35% hp if my dmg exceeds 150% of their current hp they get executed

no ?

[balmy condor]

yeh

so if boss has 100k hp remaining, you need 150k bleed damage remaining

[spice surge]

But your bleeds are not going to exceed 35% of a bosses health

It does the exact same thing to bosses as it does to regular mobs

[jaunty matrix]

[spice surge]

Its just that on regular mobs your bleeds might kill at like 5%, whereas on a boss its like 0.5% because the boss has 10x the hp

Or whatever

[jaunty matrix]

5% in certain mobs can be the difference between a wipe so il take it

[prisma carbon]

how does shiv work with bleed build? no kingsbane to pair with it

[balmy condor]

you have arterial precision

it's aoe bleed buff

[prisma carbon]

do you just press on cd with bosses or want charges for DM?

[marble hemlock]

always fun on bosses with massive damage amps tho

popping that DM during execute with full duration bleeds for big SDs

[pulsar coral]

yo

[dawn heath]

Why are people playing this build just for fun or

[pulsar coral]

is the word Assassination getting censored by Blizzard for anyone else?

my chat keeps turning into Unknown

[haughty flicker]

it does damage

https://tenor.com/view/damage-thats-a-lot-of-damage-jon-tron-gif-13054497

[fleet pagoda]

also easy to play

[dawn heath]

Ye but less damage than the other one

[haughty flicker]

thats not true though

[dawn heath]

It is

[marble hemlock]

ease of play

[haughty flicker]

well you can argue with eleem and whispyr about that if you want

[marble hemlock]

is prolly the biggest reason

[haughty flicker]

afaik it only loses to hybrid in huge aoe where kingsbane spatter does numbers

[mossy sundial]

its not

[haughty flicker]

but everywhere else its more

[marble hemlock]

just a lot easier/smoother to play when you dont have to worry about KB windows

[dawn heath]

Top logs are all playing hybrid build in keys

[haughty flicker]

and m+ players definitely dont have a history of playing builds that might not always actually be best

but also like i said hybrid does more in the big pulls they do

[marble hemlock]

or playing builds that might be marginally better at their level of play, while it should not be emulated by the vast majority of players

[haughty flicker]

yeah

[fleet pagoda]

but what if I need forced induction in my 13's

[haughty flicker]

wait

i should use fi in my no dm build

supercharger for the symbolic victory envenoms

[fleet pagoda]

or shiv into 9 CP CT's for the most sudden of demises

[balmy condor]

what if casual playing forced induction what the demisemaxxer we never knew we needed

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

imp gar into shiv into 10cp rupture, bone spike into 10cp crimson tempest

the damage is incalculable

[vital flicker]

With arterial precision for the 30% extra bleed damage

[balmy condor]

okay well he didn't think that far I guess