Crazy. I begin to undestand more and more how bleed build is not a meme anymore
#assassination
lost wharf
spice surge
(if its up when they reach that threshold)
spice surge
Crazy. I begin to undestand more and more how bleed build is not a meme anymore
Thats how i got a 35M hit with demise 
haughty flicker
demisemaxxing
lost wharf
I just checked my last run
sonic schooner
i remember back in amidrasil
popping kb dm + PI on a target
demise going stonks
lost wharf
Gotta get Exsanguinate back
No wait, don't actually bring it back. I kinda hated that talent. It felt so weird to play
haughty flicker
imagine if poisons worked with demise
sonic schooner
yea but it helped pushing the dude hp fast
i liked exsanguinate kinda, but i disliked it being a gcd
haughty flicker
ogcd exsang
spice surge
Ah you meant like that ye
sonic schooner
and then it had some weird iteration when it went from 30s to 90s or something where u started to hold it for some reasons
S1 of DF i remember
sonic schooner
make exsang pop 3 bleed clones arround the target that strike in aoe for 9m each
real real
haughty flicker
give me
something
to press in st again
pls
at least aoe is fun
and bleedmaxxing
haughty flicker
lost wharf
How is that calculated tho? Like when my Deathmark is at 1sec, but I refreshed my Rupture to 40s. Does the duplicated Rupture count as 1s or as 40s (which disappears after 1s when Deathmark expires)?
haughty flicker
i'd press ct in raid build
past bobcat
lost wharf
to press in st again
Detection is free 
haughty flicker
wasnt there something weird with sub
detection was stackign tier set or something
spice surge
How is that calculated tho? Like when my Deathmark is at 1sec, but I refreshed m...
It just tallies up all the damage your bleed is currently doing, and if 66% of that is enough to kill the mob it dies
lost wharf
It just tallies up all the damage your bleed is currently doing, and if 66% of t...
It says remaining bleed damage... So I thought having a high second rupture means higher threshold for demise, no?
spice surge
Your second rupture has exactly the same timer as your regular
timber meadow
yeah like i have no idea how you're getting so much SD dmg (or even if it's good to have that much or if it just means you had bad dmg elsewhere)
in terms of % of your overall
lost wharf
Your second rupture has exactly the same timer as your regular
So ideally you want to pop demise in the last second of deathmark
With freshly refreshed bleed
timber meadow
yeah it feels kinda irrelevant, just like a cool thing to post cause it is kinda neat
im jealous 😦
lost wharf
Yea sure, you won't play around it, but in terms of max value for Deathmark that would be "ideal", since you can kinda cheese it to the max with that
solar wyvern
Only thing I'm struggling with in bleed build is it feels like I'm literally afk for so long. In ST i apply bleeds including CT and then try and maintain envenom by refreshing last secondish. But i still run out of energy so fast
Is there something I'm missing
Or is that just how it goes
We dont play for sanguine blades in ST surely
(maybe we do idk)
lost wharf
We dont play for sanguine blades in ST surely
You do 😄
timber meadow
Yea sure, you won't play around it, but in terms of max value for Deathmark that...
i mean any playing around it with deathmark you do in an acftual key is gonn abe a huge loss id imagine
lost wharf
Idk if you wanna ct in st tho.
solar wyvern
Idk if you wanna ct in st tho.
Im almost 100% sure CT is worth it in ST when you're not playing poison bomb
runic hinge
its when you're not palying amp
solar wyvern
Yeah that one
lost wharf
holding dm is just so bad
The goal is not to hold it, but rather time it. It's too unpredictable for that tho. I assume it's something that more likely happens in lower keys where you kinda burst a mob away and it simply dies right before dm runs out.
solar wyvern
So to play around sanguine blades in bleed build are we just not keeping envenom uptime? I dont get it lowkey
raven hill
How does SB work? Everytime those 3 tick it consumes 2 energy?
balmy condor
yep
lost wharf
So to play around sanguine blades in bleed build are we just not keeping envenom...
Yea, screw Envenom. You just stay over 50% energy. So no Mutilate while below 200energy
solar wyvern
Wowza truely the afk spec
lost wharf
Eleem said earlier, that it has more apm than the hybrid build, due to blindside
But I agree, it feels weird.
timber meadow
The goal is not to hold it, but rather time it. It's too unpredictable for that ...
how do you time it without holding dm?
lost wharf
how do you time it without holding dm?
Tell the other guys to burst/hold dps I guess?
balmy condor
yeah like i have no idea how you're getting so much SD dmg (or even if it's good...
I'm playing ftb
lost wharf
It's a pure meme
dapper cradle
balmy condor
Finally legit? Or meme
it's not bad yeh
spice surge
It sims roughly the same
So the theory is that since it works on demise, which isnt accounted for in sims, so it should be slightly better
But also big number = big good
solar wyvern
Beeg numba
lost wharf
Momentum of Despair says 32% increased crit damage. Does that mean crit damage in general or just for fok and ct?
solar wyvern
I timed 15 cinderbrew with bleed build last night, we had a full wipe to IPA and still timed because all 3 dps were 5.5m overall lmao
Just absolutely blasting the dungeon
ionic hill
5.5m overall seems crazy good I wonder what im doing wrong now at 4.2~ range
solar wyvern
Its the way our tank was pulling
ionic hill
Still, I feel humbled by that
solar wyvern
3 muscles first pull, into chewie with trash, into boss with trash, into bee wing in 4 pulls, into ipa in 6 pulls
Normally I'm never that high
ionic hill
3 muscles first pull, into chewie with trash, into boss with trash, into bee win...
This sounds pretty neat actually
night lantern
I thinik i might be stupid and dont understand how lingering darkness procs. death mark has to specifically expire and not just be consumed by combo point usage?
solar wyvern
Deathmark is not deathstalkers mark
night lantern
see, i am stupid. gah. thank you haha
solar wyvern
Haha common misconception
solar wyvern
5.5m overall seems crazy good I wonder what im doing wrong now at 4.2~ range
To be clear btw, the wipe + last boss lowered that overall significantly details said 4.5 i think?
ionic hill
To be clear btw, the wipe + last boss lowered that overall significantly details...
Ahhh still impressive but I dont feel as bad now haha
spice surge
Momentum of Despair says 32% increased crit damage. Does that mean crit damage i...
Only fok and ct
haughty flicker
wait ftb new meta
ionic hill
My ToP runs are bafflingly bad I wonder if its the common experience with fellow rogues
ionic hill
Boss fights feel like forever
spice surge
Theres some adds on some of the bosses so its not that horrid
fleet pagoda
well there's like 5 bosses. gonna feel like a lot
spice surge
But ye not fantastic
ionic hill
Definitely my least favorite dungeon
blazing pumice
liking dungeons because you do more/less dps is a bit cringe but ok
ionic hill
Aight Coolsy McCoolerton
lost wharf
I think ToP is the dungeon with the lowest overall dps in general
ionic hill
Sorry for the opinion
lost wharf
I prefer playing sub, if I play ToP
ionic hill
Weird loot pool too with like 4 rings or something
lost wharf
4 rings and 2 are crit/mastery xd
ionic hill
Theres a giga versa one for you subtlety guys not sure how it sims though
lost wharf
It's bis
haughty flicker
yeah im using a champ track of it for when im forced to play sub
ionic hill
Same but with fleshfused because cba grinding +6 heroic drops
lost wharf
yeah im using a champ track of it for when im forced to play sub
Just farm it on HC. Enjoy ToP for some runs 😄
haughty flicker
nah no point atm
im not going to put crests into it anyway
so champ and hero track are for all purposes the same atm
spice surge
so champ and hero track are for all purposes the same atm
Its incredibly strange that this is the case
haughty flicker
yeah it feels really weird
spice surge
662 should be heroic crests
haughty flicker
like hero track was kind of only useful to be more efficient early
ionic hill
fr
spice surge
That would make hc better than normal AND would solve the issue of upgrading any item from 658>662 wasting gilded
haughty flicker
yeah that would be a lot better
ionic hill
Is there a diminishing returns threshold for mastery
spice surge
Yes, its the same as haste and crit, but it doesnt really matter
Just sim your stuff 
ionic hill
At 70 now and 350 mastery sims higher than 600 crit 😭
Unless im messing up the dungeon slice
spring moat
!craft
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Preferences currently are boot/wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+
Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
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balmy condor
!fok
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Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
formal talon
with all these big pulls in m+ this season, at what point do yall stop using garrote and rupture? like lets say a pull of 20, do i use garrote and rupture twice? or do i continue to use it until the improved garrote and rupture are gone?
balmy condor
5 ruptures, garrotes until everything has it
digital venture
!wa
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formal talon
5 ruptures, garrotes until everything has it
does 5 ruptures count if you dont tab target and stay on the same one?
formal talon
cast rupture twice
aight bet, its like what, 10 targets for energy regen?
formal talon
gotcha gotcha, thanks for the advice
past gale
Yeah have trouble with it too. Sometimes I think I spend too much time casting rupture and gar.. I’ll have to keep this advice in mind. Ty 🙂
empty iris
best dungeon/raid parse i can get is 40ish range. what's the best way for me to improve? i've done wowanalyzer on my runs but it seems to give me outdated info. i'm used to tanking (many specs) and havoc DH, but can't seem to break the curve for assassin rogue. any advice for me to research? (done the wow talents/rotation thing, wownanalyzer trying to improve rotation, moved keybinds, target dummies doubled dps but doesn't seem to translate) should i be more flexible to swap specs (e.g. rik or other add heavy bosses)
thorn thorn
Dungeon parses are a meme
empty iris
i mean i just want to be more effective 🙂 i was 658 ilevel wth mostly sub 650s and still second in damage
thorn thorn
But also if you want support from others generally the best thing to do is provide logs
Logs far more helpful than just info spilling
empty iris
here are two runs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Lr7YNhBgH3pKVvck
thorn thorn
I feel like Spatter should never be as far down as it is in the motherlode log but im not a sin expert so ill let the smart people comment on that
fleet pagoda
it's super low on the meadery log too
empty iris
i was running hybrid talents per wowhead, but just switched to bleed talents
since im running such low keys
thorn thorn
Im reasonably certain it should always be in your top 3 at least regardless of build?
empty iris
so that's more uptime on spatter and prio on focus?
fleet pagoda
once your bleeds are up you want to send caustic + envenoms, yeah
empty iris
i mean once im setup all i do is fan/mutilate and evenom
refreshing crimson or rupture
or garotte
ok i'll more pay attention to spatter
thanks! i appreciate the quick fb
fleet pagoda
i mean once im setup all i do is fan/mutilate and evenom
you were also like 25 seconds in between your first gcd and pressing envenom. once you're indiscriminate carnage has ended, you could probably shift into prioritizing the envenom/caustics more. i know meadery is a bit less straightforward for that incase your IC bleeds land on all non elites and then you need to refresh them
keen spruce
dapper cradle
assa on last boss rook feels so fucking bad it's unreal
haughty flicker
just another reason to hate that dungeon
playing that dungeon as boomkin compared to rogue is fucking night and day
boomkin i payphone in the back doing whatever
rogue im weaving in and out of puddles, aoe effects, fucking balls
glacial furnace
that boss is just awful for most meelees
timber meadow
assa on last boss rook feels so fucking bad it's unreal
which part about it feels bad for you? just the fact that it takes literally a fortnite to complete and you're dry for like all of that.. or sometin else?
dapper cradle
which part about it feels bad for you? just the fact that it takes literally a f...
i think it's just the bane of assa in keys
i dread bosses because you're basically afk
cleave is so fun though
timber meadow
the nice thing is that there's a ton of bosses with adds this tier which feels a lot better
with a couple ruptures up and being able to fok .. feels like we actually do solid prio
haughty flicker
charred obsidian
?
digital spindle
is it possible for plater to have top z-index and appear over speech bubbles (from party or mobs), loss of control (can you move this also?)
runic hinge
Real?
haughty flicker
no 😦
dusk sun
should u double garrote on opener to have a longer duration of it?
burnt star
Man. Dont sleep on bleed build
Meadery 13. Was finally ablw to follow our dev evoker damage
thin portal
!wa
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balmy condor
Meadery 13. Was finally ablw to follow our dev evoker damage
meadery 14
the dk sucked me off
what is that spec
charred obsidian
Unholy is pretty good
pastel roost
meadery 14
Are you using bleed build for those key or hybrid ?
gilded oasis
and I was like oh I'm getting shit on I guess
I thought you were into that
turbid mulch
!fuu
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neat flame
it's 1.5% better in single target <:KEKW:760516536757780480>
does that mean we're tied with prot wars now 
mint valve
!fok
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Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
plush delta
is there a specific stat weight required for the bleed build? seen some comments its meant to be pulling ahead in st and aoe, but when i sim myself its showing a large loss
for ref im 33 crit 65 mast
balmy condor
are you simming with improved garrote, blindside, momentum of despair?
plush delta
yeah, dslice is showing them as fairly close just slightly behind. any patchwerk sim is giving me ~5% loss ST, 5t, 10t
spice spire
meadery 14
Quadratic spec ig
spice sentinel
how tf is bleed build simming higher ST for me but lower dungeon slice and 5target patchwork?
timber meadow
the dk sucked me off
it actually feels pretty bad lmao... like that dk wasn't even pumping - they actually just hard carry the shit out of your key
at first id always feel a bit bad when I played with a good one cause its like "why am i even here" but at this point ive started to just get used to it and accept that like thats just their role lol
is there a way in a log to show the actual combat dps (effectively, what you would see on details)?
latent grove
does anyone have a weakaura that tracks how many targets have your respective bleeds?
neat flame
luxthos does it for rupture, i would imagine the other main ones do as well
weary badger
my m+ boss dmg is pretty shit is 10% haste too low
willow anvil
Hi all
I'm new to WOW and rogue. Can someone please check my log and help me with how i can increase my dps (except my stupid race choice :D)? In this one I really tried my best with rotation: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kazzak/impavidor?zone=42&boss=3009
timber meadow
i def dont have a 1.5% diff between bleed and hybrid - they're close enough that it fluctates which is ahead when i run the sim lol - this is what i got https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n8vb1UbDKFg8AKkHVB2g3B
this one happened to have hybrid like 0.2% ahead but last time i ran it i got the opposite - bleed was like a fraction of a % ahead
when you're NA and got raid in the morning... this is your queue to go to sleep lmao
just all the oce gamers
hm yeah iono https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tbUMh2VcRGH9gJ4zWhfDXx this is my dslice between bleed and hybrid... so like that was basically my previous reasoning for running hybrid was that they seemed identical in st and then hybrid was just like 1.5% ahead in dslice
barren yarrow
my m+ boss dmg is pretty shit is 10% haste too low
Your haste is fine, min max doesn’t matter as much as you think. Rotation and when to use abilities plays a big role.
lethal arrow
timber meadow
but bleed def feels better in keys, so ill prob play it and maybe my sims are just sus iono lol
flint tusk
how do we play around thistle tea?
neat flame
!tea
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
neat flame
damn
neat flame
how do we play around thistle tea?
macro to shiv but otherwise let it play itsself
flint tusk
thanks
willow anvil
Hi all
I'm new to WOW and rogue. Can someone please check my log and help me wit...
I definately dont play the rotation perfectly but I don't understand where the difference for 2.4M vs 3.6M (max dps) comes from.
pearl laurel
I definately dont play the rotation perfectly but I don't understand where the d...
The first boss is alot to do with maximising the dmg amp
neat flame
^ this
willow anvil
The first boss is alot to do with maximising the dmg amp
can you explain what this means?
neat flame
i wouldnt say its a gimmick boss, cause there's clearly a skill to lining it up right
neat flame
can you explain what this means?
when enough goblin bikes are sent into the boss the boss has a vulnerability phase
where it takes increased damage
pearl laurel
can you explain what this means?
So when you send in a certain amount of bikes the boss takes more dmg during 30/40 seconds
runic hinge
buff ct
willow anvil
Hmmm so what do you suggest I can use to find my mistakes in general and make my gameplay better? I tried https://wowanalyzer.com/ but didnt give much helpful tips
neat flame
i dont find wow analyzer too helpful
what I would do is go bang on a dummy and practice your dps rotation using whispyr's guide on wowhead
silver escarp
lethal arrow
Hmmm so what do you suggest I can use to find my mistakes in general and make my...
would have to link a log in here
wowanalyzer is not functioning for ass rogue
neat flame
and just make sure you sequenced the abilities in the right order per the flowchart
willow anvil
what I would do is go bang on a dummy and practice your dps rotation using whisp...
what number for single target dps you'd say is 90 percentile right now for assa rogue?
for target dummy
neat flame
very boss dependent
oh
I wouldn't worry about the dps number so much, but really taht your input is right
if you're doing the abilities in teh right order you'll be maximizing dps
and your gear / buffs determine the output and that just is what it is
willow anvil
I have one more question that I didnt find in the wowhead guide. When i run out of energy in single target. should i skip some Envenoms to save energy for kingsbane?
neat flame
if im understanding you right, there is some benefit for pooling energy prior to a kingbane that's done outside of deathmark
i typically just hold for 2-3 seconds
willow anvil
why is the kingsbane outside of deathmark different?
aaah because deathmark gives energy boost?
neat flame
yep
willow anvil
coool thank you so much for help
balmy condor
ramps twice as hard and just does like 15% more dam baseline or something
very good synergy
neat flame
Whispyr out of curiosity, did you ever model a sim that compared Deathstalker to no hero spec (if thats even possible). Somewhat of an absurd hypothetical, but I was curious what percentage of the build is propped up by that tree
timber meadow
was doin a few more bleed keys whispyr and it def seems better. the prio dmg is just insane. like literally any prio target just gets absolutely fucked. ig i should go back to hybrid to get some logs to compare cuase im sure it was similar but it didn't feel quite this strong
balmy condor
Whispyr out of curiosity, did you ever model a sim that compared Deathstalker to...
it's like 26-28%
coral ibex
you can get most of the way there by just not applying your mark at the start of a fight
balmy condor
was doin a few more bleed keys whispyr and it def seems better. the prio dmg is ...
yeh bleed good
timber meadow
like bloodwarper dmg is stupid, was killing it before 2nd aoe without dm
blazing pumice
just did my first bleed key then, 12 priory, seems good
balmy condor
like bloodwarper dmg is stupid, was killing it before 2nd aoe without dm
fucking dk though
VERY MADGE
timber meadow
you're still blasting though dam - I wont say you're cheating with a war
blazing pumice
brain is still working out how to use the arterial charges
balmy condor
war is around 4%
lunar lotus
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balmy condor
brain is still working out how to use the arterial charges
just slam em in aoe
like yolo that shit
blazing pumice
other than not having crippling, the spec generally feels better
timber meadow
not as extreme but similar, think our mage was prio'ing it a lot since healer made a comment about it needing to die fast before key
thats the solution for assa st, just pull mobs into every boss
timber meadow
lmao
but like our actual boss dmg is so much better with a few mobs which is easy enough to do
neat flame
I would test this on a critter if i was by my pc, but does lingering darkness proc if the deathmark target dies before death mark finishes?
golden loom
but like our actual boss dmg is so much better with a few mobs which is easy eno...
xalatath orb week for massive CT on boss 🔥
hot pasture
how many cele u need in st?
golden loom
cele?
hot pasture
haste*
timber meadow
xalatath orb week for massive CT on boss 🔥
hes cooking
golden loom
u dont need any amount of any stat
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
golden loom
hes cooking
its not a cook, its just good
balmy condor
if you count sanguine damage, my CT that key did a full 25% of my damage
that's insane
golden loom
CT is probably the strongest button in all of m+
golden loom
and its not even a cd
golden loom
holy
timber meadow
CT is probably the strongest button in all of m+
tell me you haven't played with a boomie without telling me you haven't played with a boomie 🤣
balmy condor
huge ramp
moonfire x15
cd macro
starfall x15
starfire x15
890 quintillion damage
pog
timber meadow
if you count sanguine damage, my CT that key did a full 25% of my damage
bro ive bene posting screenshots of that like all day while yall were talking about SD dmg lul
balmy condor
bro ive bene posting screenshots of that like all day while yall were talking ab...
yeh I mean it's not that high in other keys
timber meadow
its usually btween like 20-25% for me
thick sigil
So for the bleed build is it correct that you do 5(6) ruptures and garrote all mobs (with IC ofc) and then go pump envenom?
For hybrid i used to just get ruptures and a few garrote out 🤔
timber meadow
although i was doin like cinderbrew+floodgate all day 🤣
balmy condor
So for the bleed build is it correct that you do 5(6) ruptures and garrote all m...
can get more ruptures
I'm in the kitchen atm on the rupture vs envenom balance
the bleed build lemon has more juice
and brother I just bought an industrial lemon squeezer
timber meadow
yeah i think floodgate you just get bigger pulls more consistently than ML
golden loom
having more ruptures also lets you keep scent if some random shitter that got hit by the inital rupture dies
balmy condor
I think sadly the juice I'm squeezing won't help in dungeonslice much
now that I think about it
thick sigil
Was trying the build first time yesterday since it sims better in ST and dslice, was experimenting a bit (only 11 keys).
I just did prio 5-6 ruptures -> CT -> spread all the bleeds
So seems thats fine, thanks! 😀
coral ibex
squeeze my lemon daddy
timber meadow
yeah like this was my ct in floodgate, iw as liek yo why these guys talking about SD so much 🤣 but now whispyr seein what im seein
balmy condor
yeh idk how you're getting 24% CT and pissrot sudden demise
timber meadow
i mean sudden demise is obv nice but I wouldn't say its like the standout thing i notice when i look at my dmg breakdowns
golden loom
the big part about SD is the 15% bleed dam
timber meadow
what was your SD in that floodgate?
balmy condor
6%
grim jay
@balmy condor mighty whispyr, with how much dps do you end up on ST bosses in m+?
balmy condor
I'm competitive with the rest of the group
sometimes the DM's don't line up and it's like
a bit lower
but like if unholy dk damage is considered fine
then assa should be too
we're basically mini unholy dk's
timber meadow
emphasis on mini 😦
balmy condor
I mean we got less burst but we're more consistent
I'm keeping up with dks idk
I assume once pulls get super giga bigger then probably not
timber meadow
yeah you make up for it on medium sized packs
balmy condor
but seems fine for mortal humans
timber meadow
but literally no shot you're remotely close to a dk on a big pull
balmy condor
well yeah of course not
timber meadow
for me it jsut depends how good the dk is, some dk's i can keep up with others are just like blasting off into 5m and it slike aight
weary badger
yo whats the bleed build for m+? i see many variants all around
some with kb some w/o etc
balmy condor
baseline is without
you can take kingsbane but need to drop stuff for it
like bone spike
weary badger
alright what do i drop for iron wire?
feels rly useful to have it for something liek rookery
with so many casters
timber meadow
you know what, i just realized your dk isn't getting a pocket pi.. that makes a significant diff
balmy condor
alright what do i drop for iron wire?
bonespike+doomblade
and you take kingsbane + wire
balmy condor
you know what, i just realized your dk isn't getting a pocket pi.. that makes a ...
yeh
timber meadow
im not at my desktop anymore but that's prob more of the diff of when i get smoked nad not than some massive gap in skill
obtuse robin
does spatter reach the mobs in the jails on mugzee if ur outside?
timber meadow
yeah you just have to position yourself correctly was the last i herd about it
obtuse robin
is that why sin is prefered on mugzee or is there something else
runic hinge
Execute
quartz cloak
I’ve just played hybrid this season until a few days ago, and I gotta say I like how bleed feels with shiv having a big impact in packs
balmy condor
wdym a loss in st
grim jay
kb vs bs and doomblade
balmy condor
yeah of course lmao
grim jay
like kb is prolly really noodle damage with bleed build
vale lantern
is 32% crit tooo much crit
grim jay
is 32% crit tooo much crit
!stats
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- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
grim jay
yeah of course lmao
you are running the bleed variant you have on wowhead right?
storm zinc
!fuu
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balmy condor
you are running the bleed variant you have on wowhead right?
I'm running ftb over mod but otherwise yes
runic hinge
like kb is prolly really noodle damage with bleed build
It was 4% in Dslice and 2% in ST when I checked like 3 days ago
grim jay
I'm running ftb over mod but otherwise yes
any particular reason? does it sim better for you or somehow translates better in gameplay?
balmy condor
most likely yes
I think it's pretty nebulous and minor overall though
don't need to play it
grim jay
I mean its kinda whatever either way
not like it has any deep implications
on any of the two
snow hamlet
what is ftb
solar wyvern
You think in meadery
u can use ftb and shiv CT 2 low health yes men
to kill both?
maybe even 3/4?
balmy condor
what is ftb
follow the blood
balmy condor
maybe even 3/4?
you can but it's insano difficult
snow hamlet
ty
harsh ravine
hi!
I would like to know which way I could go for a build that has less AOE and more ST
for dj such as TOP and rookery
balmy condor
bleed build
harsh ravine
I feel so bad doing 1.3M dps first boss rookery 16 it's frustrating
harsh ravine
bleed build
but isn't it full ST? I loose sudden demise and dot spread no ?
snow hamlet
When the DM is over, is it worth recovering the rupture to get the SoB (in M+ ST)?
balmy condor
When the DM is over, is it worth recovering the rupture to get the SoB (in M+ ST...
no
snow hamlet
fine
cerulean walrus
Par for the course
ionic crater
@balmy condor what build did you play in that Floodgate earlier (Sorry for the ping, just didn't ask before I left stream)
ionic crater
kk
cerulean walrus
this but with ftb
Wait weren’t we just having a discussion about this a few days ago 
ionic crater
this but with ftb
that abreviation mean fatebound?
balmy condor
follow the blood
harsh ravine
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2Q5xoZhqA115ACqzqC1czu
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5LCQt74V1Dg7oL2ZeJvhTw
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qRRh8nzYq6EwhghN7sZd4U
extremely minor difference in ST on both builds
balmy condor
gear issue I guess fat L
harsh ravine
not simming with lust etc, just dj setup in the group I play
ionic crater
thank you Whispyr
harsh ravine
it was just to point out that bleed build is worthless
harsh ravine
how does it matter ? simmed in the same condition for both build, I am testing the build
snow hamlet
so ftb is a nice try now?
balmy condor
and your version of that is playing rank 2 mast flask
harsh ravine
and your version of that is playing rank 2 mast flask
in which way does it matter
that I sim with a rank 2 flask
indigo mulch
Many mastery gud whispyr.
balmy condor
but you also didn't sim imp gar
if you're gonna troll me that's fine just let me know beforehand so I know to not try and help
like showing up and asking questions is fine
but showing up and just haha xd git owned whispyr me am l33t gamor
like what good does that do for anyone involved here
harsh ravine
you're weird as fuck
balmy condor
how is me asking you to not show up and troll me weird as fuck
harsh ravine
using rank 2 flask for a sim isn't trolling
snow hamlet
how does it matter ? simmed in the same condition for both build, I am testing t...
dude you need imp ambush
harsh ravine
I am just simming real condition
balmy condor
bro I simmed your rank 2 flask I just find it weird
harsh ravine
dude you need imp ambush
yes my bad on that I didn't see, ty
snow hamlet
just pick it and re sim again
ionic crater
what pot should I play for sin?
balmy condor
alch
ionic crater
kk ty
cerulean walrus
@balmy condor how about I show up and smooch you
indigo mulch
harsh ravine
ok ty for advices!
indigo mulch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d3xULZNGSfpXSwQ3hKBnrU
What should i craft? :C
Not sure why i just linked a quick sim
sec ;s
grim jay
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Hi grandpa
rotund oak
Hi grandpa
yoo fam
rotund oak
Having this dps while just maintaining bleeds on a +12 on thrash is diabolical
then we hail satan 🤘
hot flicker
What do you spend your combo points on if you don’t need to fresh/apply bleeds in bleed build?
turbid wraith
hello fellow assasination rogues! how wouuld you say the bleed build feels!!
shy axle
@hot flicker env cleave with splatter
red schooner
What do you spend your combo points on if you don’t need to fresh/apply bleeds i...
Spatter envenom
shy axle
remember only 5 ruptures is enough
rotund oak
garrotes as many as humanly possible
hot flicker
Okay and there is no KB right?
So it’s just DM on 1 target and I assume that’s the one you env splatter spam?
And you only are using shiv for DM or you do it outside of DM?
red schooner
So it’s just DM on 1 target and I assume that’s the one you env splatter spam?
Just spatter off the target with deathstalkers mark and it's fine
hot flicker
Okay
golden loom
And you only are using shiv for DM or you do it outside of DM?
2 shivs for deathmark, otherwise u shiv in aoe while CT is up
obtuse ruin
what embellishments are people running that dabble both sub and sin in keys?
rotund oak
Almost common reasoning at this point but make sure to pick the most ''durable'' target and cleave off with spatter from there
else u dont get that much value from ur spattering
durable as in highest hp
rotund oak
what embellishments are people running that dabble both sub and sin in keys?
embelishments dont rly matter very minor but sub uses lens x2 and sin ascension+writhing
balmy condor
You die if you take cheat death
vale lantern
at what key level should i swap over
vale lantern
i know them but i still like to stand in stuff gotta keep it on a rolling cd
balmy condor
But like as you go higher it just gets worse
vale lantern
oh okay
vale lantern
doing bleed build in a 10 cause me and this other ass rogue just keep killing each others kingsbane target
balmy condor
You have evasion but evasion alone is kinda not enough
You get a third dot you’re just falling over
vale lantern
understandable then iv only done 3 11's so i was unsure
balmy condor
Yeh
vale lantern
was thinking about maybe pushing some but on the warlock since then i can be happy about life without needing stealth
balmy condor
I had only elusiveness feint for a dot on first boss and barely lived
Some of the dots and stuff you just can’t do anything with
vale lantern
okay that makes sense then
cheat death just allows me to stand in stupid stuff
second question i see like 60% of rogues doing priory trinket over house of cards but its like -7k dps for me so i use house of cards as sim says, but that being said id ideally use it when i send kingsbane instead of the moment i send death mark correct?
humble verge
the only reason they have prio is probably cause they have myth track and didnt get a HoC from raid
golden loom
the only reason they have prio is probably cause they have myth track and didnt ...
665 HoC would be a massive upgrade over my 665 priory
static glacier
Speaking of house of cards
I’m guessing the sim doesn’t use HoC with DM
Otherwise it won’t cover the last tick of KB
snow hamlet
it use HoC with shiv & KB
vale lantern
60% is alot for them to all have priory i feel like
but yeah they may have also jsut not got a heroic HoC
red schooner
Wait shit do I need to change hoc to use on kingsbane now?
vale lantern
Wait shit do I need to change hoc to use on kingsbane now?
yeah youll miss the important part of kingabane if u send with dm
red schooner
fuck
vale lantern
i didnt realise this till this week
late goblet
Hi folks, why is mechanocore amplifier considered A tier but suspicious energy drink B tier, when drink only gives mastery?
late goblet
I am simming - just curious about the tier placement 🙂
late goblet
fair enough lol
subtle kiln
cedar flicker
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sudden kelp
What does one armed bandit say at the start of the fight? "ready to ..."
humble verge
665 HoC would be a massive upgrade over my 665 priory
if you want more benefit from hoc, play sub amirite :3
coral walrus
Is pooling energy before a kingsbane window a thing still?
golden loom
Is pooling energy before a kingsbane window a thing still?
!pooling
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- Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
- Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
- Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.
alpine falcon
is mainstat food rly better than second ?
novel star
sim it xD
novel star
it’s really not
novel star
but to answer your question yes
fringe mirage
hey guys a question why my envenom buff dispel from me somtimes?
analog field
how many cp does aoe shiv give? It depends on something ? On the targets hit? Cause i am in the middle and shiv and get like 3 which seems low
analog field
yeah seemed like it ty
verbal blaze
starting to realize playing hybrid in 10's is a bad move
what key lvl would you guys say is high enough to swap to hybrid to get everything out of spatter/kingsbane
verbal blaze
yeah mostly pugging
burnt star
with bleed build: do u spread garrote and rupture on more then 5 or start caustic spam I.e. big first pull in meadery .
strange sleet
if the pull last long enough, you dot as much as you can
spice surge
5 ruptures, garrote as many as possible
burnt star
what key lvl would you guys say is high enough to swap to hybrid to get everythi...
Personnaly. In 14-15. Bleed is doing a lot more for me right now. Depsite not playing it optimally.
red schooner
no CD management is not too fun for me
sometimes gotta turn brain off and bleed
burnt star
It does have more bleed to manage tho
strange sleet
I love it for timewalking dungeons. Sudden Demise is just OP as fuck with shit HP mobs
world content and stuff
red schooner
Yeah world content its wild, and I don't really push keys so, bleed build works good for 10s
cobalt gazelle
Personnaly. In 14-15. Bleed is doing a lot more for me right now. Depsite not p...
really? cause the 15/16 runs ive seen everyone is running hybrid
strange sleet
I think he means from 14-15 onwards hybrid is worth
spice surge
Id just recommend bleed literally anywhere
strange sleet
why? I feel hybrid is better too
spice surge
I disagree
normal mist
feelnation everywhere
strange sleet
yeah but why, I'm curious of ur opinion
normal mist
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subtle tundra
cause better dmg
spice surge
They sim the same, yet the sim doesnt factor in sudden demise (which is significantly better on bleed) nor does it accurately reflect the fact that you often need to hold kingsbane/deathmark to line em up or not use them
charred obsidian
sudden demise is kinda cracked
charred obsidian
now aug is dead
let it rest in hell
spice surge
If youre like unsure if the prio target/boss is gonna live your entire kingsbane+dm you often end up holding it. Whereas with bleed you just send because worst case demise pop when it has like 5s left and its still fine
worldly sail
bleed feels funny to play 
thats good enough for me
subtle tundra
this season if you play assa bleed and the other 2 dps pop cds youre so happy cause youre in execute with all bleeds going
so hot
spice surge
I also dislike kingsbane 
subtle tundra
I also dislike kingsbane <:shrugeg:1115674346120294591>
baseg
now nerf ic to 1 additional bleed
and we have some better bleed build gameplay
cobalt gazelle
@spice surge do you have any video or person that helps out with bleed rotation, i currently play hybrid and would like to try out bleed
spice surge
Id prefer if it was rupture/garrote doing the big bleed damage, but if they cant do that then CT is atleast neat
spice surge
<@212854714197344256> do you have any video or person that helps out with bleed ...
Its pretty much the same
You just dont press kingsbane (so you dont need envenom before deathmark)
And you keep CT up even on ST
cobalt gazelle
You just dont press kingsbane (so you dont need envenom before deathmark)
i mean, isnt kingsbane not even in the talente? like u dont choose it? from what ive seen in the guide
spice surge
Yes, no kingsbane
burnt star
really? cause the 15/16 runs ive seen everyone is running hybrid
Cose everyone is sleeping on bleed
Im getting better data on bleed then on hybrid
With my group
cobalt gazelle
Cose everyone is sleeping on bleed
ill give it a shot
strange sleet
They sim the same, yet the sim doesnt factor in sudden demise (which is signific...
This is true, but SD loses value the longer the pull is no? And yes the holding is higher with hybrid but usually when you DM you use trinkets and stuff, so if the pull has not many mobs alive you hold too I guess. Also hybrid has more prio dmg and better ST right? Which I think it's important
spice surge
This is true, but SD loses value the longer the pull is no? And yes the holding ...
Hybrid has worse ST and the same prio.
burnt star
Bleed has better s.t
And longer living mob also mean longer execute part
Its not a 1:1 ratio
spice surge
Like theres practically no difference in damage profile
Its still mid ST, huge aoe and insane prio
strange sleet
Hybrid has worse ST? I guess I didn't sim for a while, but I was simming higher with hybrid
burnt star
Someone said.. we are mini dk
spice surge
Hybrid has worse ST? I guess I didn't sim for a while, but I was simming higher ...
Blindside stronk after buffs
burnt star
Seems like it
strange sleet
mmmm ok, then I guess bleed is just better
spice surge
Only annoying part is you lose numbing/atrophic whenever you want to crippling
But it is what it is
crystal crater
quick question. Is aoe sim angle 5 target or Dslice?
strange sleet
doesn't seem like too big of a loss in exchange for dmg
spice surge
quick question. Is aoe sim angle 5 target or Dslice?
Dslice usually
crystal crater
tyvm!
strange sleet
I'm checking murlok.io and most are using KB+SD. Do we have a possible explanation for this if bleed looks better?
spice surge
People havent checked this discord in the last few days
Instinctively a lot of people think dropping KB is trolling
And were constantly finding small new improvements to the sim, since there wasnt much work being done on no kingsbane builds previosuly
But you do you, if you want to play hybrid go ahead
I prefer the red buttons and when sudden demise goes boom though
sonic schooner
strange sleet
I mean I like hybrid more. But I like to do as much DPS as I can over all other things tbh
sonic schooner
And yet you re still playing rogue
strange sleet
Yeah, I mean with my assa rogue ofc
hot flicker
i seem to not be able to generate enough combo points to maintain bleeds and env on 5 targets is there some advice too it?
grand trail
I like both builds but the hybrid one need one big target every pull when bleed don't
hearty reef
halcyon grail
vanish.
grand trail
And since I'm not pushing bleed make more sense to me
I'm gonna pull out assa on bandit progress tommorow
Refuse to play pvp trinket when I have max out mythic signet
cobalt gazelle
@spice surge sry to bother again, so what poisons do u apply on bleed?
strange sleet
Refuse to play pvp trinket when I have max out mythic signet
Signet is fucking me so much. I actually hate it. I'm stucked with a 639 neck and a versa ring because of it. I want house of cards sooooo bad
normal mist
<@212854714197344256> sry to bother again, so what poisons do u apply on bleed?
deadly + crippling iirc
lean plover
crippling ahead of athrophic?
minor bramble
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I wish I could make a macro that targetted my target with deathmark on it so I could spread bleeds better and not lose to being a boomer
cobalt gazelle
I wish I could make a macro that targetted my target with deathmark on it so I c...
imagine one that changes health bar color, if they are marked
strange sleet
Ok so I just simmed a bunch and these are the results for my gear. I'm using TTK instead of SD too for the hybrid build.
Patch 1 target 5 mins -> Hybrid ahead by 0.6%
Patch 1 target 3 mins -> Bleed ahead by 0.5%
Patch 5 targets 5 mins -> Exactly the same
Patch 10 targets 5 mins -> Hybrid ahead by 1.6%
Patch 5 targets 1 min -> Hybrid ahead by 2.1%
Patch 10 targets 1 min -> Bleed ahead by 2.5%
Dungeon slice -> Bleed ahead by 2.1%
hearty reef
strange sleet
Anyone knows how much is SD on an actual m+ run? Let's say a 12. About 5%?
hearty reef
spice surge
Anyone knows how much is SD on an actual m+ run? Let's say a 12. About 5%?
Like 6-10%
hearty reef
never again talenting into that crap
spice surge
Depending on key
strange sleet
6-10% is a ton wtf
spice surge
strange sleet
That's pretty nuts
but your quote from that tho:
I mean my 9%+ is insane, its usually more like 6-7%
But its probably at the cost of a bit of envenoms/spatter
That seems more in line. 10% is just wtf, In a 13-14 too
But anyways, 7% is still quite a bit, so I guess bleed is just better in general
strange sleet
ftb?
snow hamlet
follow the blood
bleak plume
anyone got a working indiscriminate carnage weak aura?
spice surge
Worse ST, slightly better on aoe, sims roughly the same on dslice
RE: Follow the blood vs momentum
cunning needle
wtf im hitting dummies and im on 6m dps sustain
snow hamlet
It is just an extension of rupture/gar/CT, and the proportion depends on the team DPS.
To be extreme, if you play bleed build in timewalking, the SD may be 30~40%
cunning needle
CT hits like a truck
eager pond
!up
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strange sleet
Does SD take into account crit chance to calculate the dmg remaining on bleeds?¿
spice surge
No
cunning needle
how is this legal
strange sleet
Yeah I figured
golden loom
how is this legal
well the dummies are in perma execute
cobalt gazelle
when do u press shiv while playing bleed, cause in hybrid i would just use it when i had KB but now im confused on where to use it specially cause now i have 2
golden loom
when do u press shiv while playing bleed, cause in hybrid i would just use it wh...
2 for deathmark, otherwise just in AoE when bleeds are out
strange sleet
Well, I guess it's time to practice bleed ST rotation
cobalt gazelle
whats ST?
static geyser
is it better to not macro dm with hoc now?
strange sleet
Single target
spice surge
Why would it be better to not macro
static geyser
last ks tick
golden loom
most important part about assa rogue is, more thinking = less dps
spice surge
Last Kingsbane tick doesnt do much
desert crest
buffing your first envenom might be more improtant than last tick
allrough u have hoc for first envenom anyway i think
spice surge
It caps after like 4 seconds so all the last 4/5 ticks are capped anyway
static geyser
i saw a discussion about it here
golden loom
the only benefit the final KB tick has it that its in lingering darkness
strange sleet
Why would it be better to not macro
He might have a point tho. I was thinking the same, since DM does not do that much in AoE, it might be worth to send House of Cards on CD maybe?
for bleed
I mean
golden loom
you still DM in aoe tho?
desert crest
maybe it is worth it to delay hoc such that first envenom in lingering darkness is buffed
golden loom
u dont change anything
with how u play really
like it just doesnt have kingsbane and u shiv in aoe
rest is the same
strange sleet
so you DM in aoe
golden loom
extra garrotes and ruptures maybe here and there but u use cds on cd
hot flicker
with bleed build i seem to do almost negative damage do you need to CT on st?
static geyser
cba then
snow hamlet
with bleed build i seem to do almost negative damage do you need to CT on st?
you do
spice surge
so its like better in aoe to hoc for ks but its minor
Its not better
So ye dont bother
strange sleet
What do you think about sending HoC on CD for m+ Eleem?
spice surge
Not worth
strange sleet
why? I know I always ask why like a child, but I want to know
spice surge
Because you dont have shivs
Or you have to not have shiv during deahtmark and vanish
Neither of which are good options
hearty reef
you still DM in aoe tho?
yes bacuse i wanna hoc and pot
spice surge
Its fine to use passive trinkets though
hearty reef
golden loom
yes bacuse i wanna hoc and pot
it was more of a statement than a question
hearty reef
totally sounded like a question
strange sleet
OkOk. Might sim some passive trinkets to see if they are worth
static geyser
u running signet + hoc?
strange sleet
me? I don't. I'm runniong signet but I want HoC
static geyser
signet is just fine
strange sleet
I don't like it
static geyser
its literally 0.1%
strange sleet
It's holding my gear back
static geyser
wym
golden loom
665 HoC is a huge upgrade over my 665 signet
strange sleet
I can't use higher ilvl pieces with better stats because signet procs crit otherwise
golden loom
cause its a rounding error
spice surge
I have 658 hoc because upgrading my belt was more dps
Trinkets suck ass this season, dont worry about em
golden loom
I took heroic ammy from vault week 2 so I upgraded both signet and pacemaker to 665
static geyser
i got lucky with pacemaker myth it rocks
static geyser
outsims my 665 drink a lot actually for m+
golden loom
that's why I need HoC
idk what this means tbh
strange sleet
I got 678 pacemaker. With my best gear, when it procs, the signet gives me crit instead of mastery, which is a DPS loss. Alchemical Chaos giving crit sometimes does not help either, so I have to downgrade my gear to get the proper stats for the signet
static geyser
u need to fix other gear not hoc
strange sleet
Yeah I need to fix my gear. But having HoC fixes all my problems
static geyser
atp u should have crafter neck with mastery
strange sleet
cause I can use the pieces I have in my bags
golden loom
guess I am lucky with my gear currently giving me 10k crit 10k haste and like 21k mastery
static geyser
with cyrce crafterdneck and any high mastery finger u should be fine
static geyser
mugzee neck is fine but my crafted 675 still outsims 665
grand trail
I got jastor as this champ track warbound thing, lucky me as I would never get it from master loot 😄
golden loom
I have hero track mugzee neck but I am not gonna ever spend crests on making it 665
so probably crafting neck next
static geyser
yea necks sucks this sez
grand trail
Crafting neck is good, you can move stats around easily like that
golden loom
yeah I was between crafting head and neck this week, but made helm
strange sleet
Yeah it's ok. But I can move stats around more easilyu with HoC
grand trail
You want lot of crit but not that much that signet and cyrclet start giving you crit 😄
grand trail
I don't know this tech
strange sleet
haste was #1 for me in ST
grand trail
Once circlet is locked in one stat it can't change ?
strange sleet
back in s1 when I simmed
static geyser
Once circlet is locked in one stat it can't change ?
yea
grand trail
Even when respec?
strange sleet
I don't think so
static geyser
and gotta swap it out
grand trail
Fuck i was maybe playing with vers than 😄
static geyser
and put back it so it gives versa
its cancer but sims highest for my outlaw aswell
so i gotta use it
strange sleet
If you reload of relog or something I think it changes too. I for sure had my cyrce giving me crit at some point
static geyser
not sure for reload rly
grand trail
I have quit a gap between crit and mastery since I dropped raid myth track ring with crit for mastery jastor
golden loom
my ring is very haste heavy
grand trail
I have lot of mastery now so mastery my weakest stats
I had lot crit and crit was worst stats
stuck knoll
Stat weights in general are a bad way to look at gear
grand trail
You can see it in droptimzer what stats your crafted gear want
It shift between crit mastery crit haste haste mastery
golden loom
idk why you would use droptimzier for that
strange sleet
I have 13kcrit 18k mastery with my "best" gear. 9'5k crit 21k mastery (3'5k haste and 6k vers) with my highest sim gear
golden loom
ah yeah
static geyser
I have 13kcrit 18k mastery with my "best" gear. 9'5k crit 21k mastery (3'5k hast...
what neck do you use
dfc?
golden loom
I have 13kcrit 18k mastery with my "best" gear. 9'5k crit 21k mastery (3'5k hast...
what do u lable as ur best gear tho? ilvl?
strange sleet
what neck do you use
I would like to. I'm using trailspinner pendant from s1
strange sleet
what do u lable as ur best gear tho? ilvl?
yes
grand trail
Ilvl is best just not rings apparently:D
golden loom
well rings are either special like circlet/jastor, or they are just secondary stats
so it makes sense
strange sleet
I mean, ilvl means just more stats
golden loom
they are on the weaker side of gear pieces
feels like a big part of the ilvl budget in rings is the stamina
grand trail
Yeah
strange sleet
I would gain around 1'7% dps if I could change Signet for HoC. Not because HoC is that much better, but because I would be able to swap 639 neck and vers/mastery ring
strange sleet
to what, haste/mast?
static geyser
sim but prob mastery crit
golden loom
well if he already is heavy on crit then probably haste mastery
static geyser
u can just use chaos flask and go proc pacemaker
while chaos is giving crit
then calculate
the difference
pure moth
What's the command that shows the trinket/ stat comment
golden loom
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
pure moth
Thanks
strange sleet
u can just use chaos flask and go proc pacemaker
yeah, That's 7k extra crit
strange sleet
ah, no
static geyser
with crit flask and pacemaker
strange sleet
I mean 7k more those things combined
golden loom
wanna say your name/server wysoko? wanna look at ur gear
strange sleet
to what I have
strange sleet
maybe, but I will swap those items at some point
static geyser
whats your ilvl
strange sleet
662
static geyser
ugh just go and see your crit and mastery after pacemaker proc
then u will know what to do
grand trail
I don't feel like playing pacemaker over kezan
grand trail
Yeah I play it in m+
strange sleet
yeah well GL getting a decent ilvl kezan
grand trail
Have both hero track
stuck knoll
I mean normal ilvl kezan goes to 658 and that's good on any fight above 5 min
strange sleet
5 mins is an eternity
grand trail
I'm more thinking of pacemaker maybe better for bandit but idk
strange sleet
well it's around 30-40% tbf
stuck knoll
5 mins is an eternity
the entire point of the trinket is to scale as bosses go later 
if you're not doing mythic it's probably not that good
but it's pretty good on a lot of mythic fights
strange sleet
yeah for mythic raid sure
But I'm a filthy casual
I just play m+ with friends. And now I started to raid a little HC in a "random" guild to get some vault value
golden loom
I wish I could play m+ with my friends
strange sleet
pfff idk, they are so bad
onyx scroll
we have friends?