assassination

[timber meadow]

yeah thats fair, fuck it ill try out bleed. is that what you've been using ?

[mystic osprey]

because its true

and now that i think about it that way

[timber meadow]

i sassume so if yall think its better

[mystic osprey]

im even sadder

[bright tartan]

We need emperorsbane

[golden loom]

summer tires are going on today, what a lovely day

[raw gull]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[mystic osprey]

Are people in 17s and shit using cleave build again?

[bright tartan]

people in 17s just do random stuff

[mystic osprey]

🗣️ 🔥

[balmy condor]

I just looked up my non-dm kingsbanes for heroic reclear raid yesterday

[mystic osprey]

jesusss

thats awful

[timber meadow]

what a fall from fucking grace

[balmy condor]

6mil, 7mil, high rolls for 9mil

[mystic osprey]

delete kingsbane

[timber meadow]

someone pull up the s3 df kb screenshots for the feels

[haughty flicker]

thats genuinely one dry shiv envenom damn

kingsbane actually so sad

[golden loom]

its less

[mystic osprey]

sin rogue back to dragonflight season 2

[rotund oak]

i think they nerfed KB a lil too much

buff kb

[haughty flicker]

idk i think the highest dry shiv ive had outside of damage amps was only like 11k

[balmy condor]

yeh my average darkest night envenom is 6.53 across the raid night

[haughty flicker]

but im also shit so

[golden loom]

kinda neat that the 1 min cd gets made good by the 2 min cd tho

[timber meadow]

aight well you convinced me that not running kb is reasonable. i hadn't really considered how much it blows

[mystic osprey]

same here man

im saddened

[haughty flicker]

kingsbane got rightfully nuked

but maybe a bit too nuked

[timber meadow]

like i think i had it somewhere in my brain how far it had fallen

but hadn't really like fully clicked

[rotund oak]

how dare you

[balmy condor]

my average dry shiv

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

was 12.7

[rotund oak]

lol

[haughty flicker]

[golden loom]

bomba

[timber meadow]

rememeber when we were the best pi target in the game

bc of kb

[balmy condor]

yeh

[haughty flicker]

terrible times

[timber meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pour-drink-pouring-alcohol-respect-gif-5359107

[balmy condor]

turns out cutting the cap in half hurts

[timber meadow]

yeah the pi arch sucked but kb was sick

[haughty flicker]

its ok exsang is coming back to save us

from envenom

[golden loom]

[mystic osprey]

bring sepsis back

[haughty flicker]

[marble hemlock]

bring back hunger for blood

[coral ibex]

ON GOD SELI

in fact

bring back wotlk assa rogue entirely

2 mutilates and pool

[rotund oak]

bro's back to wrath

idk

[timber meadow]

bring back tripple shrouded bfa assa fr fr

[rotund oak]

bring burst of speed

back

[haughty flicker]

yes i would like burst of speed back

for my transmog runs

[rotund oak]

[golden loom]

atleast we have grappling hook for tmog runs

[balmy condor]

Fun fact, if you sim hard enough there’s downright reasonable versions of hybrid that just move the Kingsbane point somewhere and play just dtb+carnage+demise

[marble hemlock]

(anyone who actually wants hfb back should just be ignored for having bad opinions)

[timber meadow]

YES

[coral ibex]

wow you dont actually like a one minute upkeep buff???

smh

[timber meadow]

this is what ive been wanting to do but im a shit theorycrafter

but like 100% that

[haughty flicker]

[marble hemlock]

well back then you could eat the arms warrior bleed

instead of your own

so i liked that

[haughty flicker]

lmao

ok yeah i want that

[coral ibex]

yea that owned

also making the fury sunder

what the fuck is IEA

(not on my bars)

[balmy condor]

Well it’s like -2.5% or something to be fair so “reasonable” depends on the person

But you really can just untalent Kingsbane and be fine tbh

[haughty flicker]

now make a reasonable st build without kb

[timber meadow]

dude i thought it might actually be good

[haughty flicker]

so i can truly afk all raid

[timber meadow]

dtb is pretty nice

[balmy condor]

If you want actual cooked shit, sim blindside + 2 in poison bomb + 2 in scent, carnage, and demise

[timber meadow]

im legit excited to try out bleed... i think mentally it jsut felt bad nonly having 2 mins but now that my brain is full in kb-is-fucking-aweful mode.. it wont feel nearly as bad lmao

[balmy condor]

There’s versions that pop out with zold/pb/scent

And no dtb or kingsbane

They just take carnage and demise

[timber meadow]

lol jesus

[rotund oak]

i did,its not that bad

[balmy condor]

The rabbit hole goes deep on sin builds if you’re okay with a couple % difference

I also can’t guarantee that all of them are being played correctly by the sim though

[haughty flicker]

time to cook

[timber meadow]

the sim also does weird shit like it just spams tf outta garrote/ruptures for the entirety of IC

which maybe that makes sense if stuff lives forever

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cook-we-need-to-cook-gif-1473882861733925296

[marble hemlock]

thats fine, i can guarantee that theyre not played correctly by the player

[balmy condor]

Forgive me for not optimizing the zold+pb+scent no capstone builds

[balmy condor]

Yeah so I’m kinda upset you noticed that

Because it’s entirely true that it does that

And it’s also entirely true that it sucks

Sustained aoe sims are missing like a solid 2-3% because of that shit

But every time I go in and fix it in sustained aoe

Dungeonslice just craters

And I’ve gotten so sick of trying to figure out why the fuck it does that

[timber meadow]

🤣

[balmy condor]

So I just left it optimized for dslice

Like eleem can tell you, I’ve been screaming in DMs

Like you do a tweak for sustained aoe

It’s +a billion % on patchwerk aoe

No losses anywhere

Looks great

You wait for the dslice to finish

-39.6%

And you want to fucking kill youself

That’s the assa theorycrafter experience

[haughty flicker]

[timber meadow]

lmao theorycrafting is something that always sounds cool when yall talk about it, prob just cause you really enjoy it but then i take like two steps to actually trying it and immediately nope the fuck out

[haughty flicker]

yeah i just do what the funny colored names tell me to do

although im definitely going to make a cursed no kb build and play it in heroic next week

[timber meadow]

I take what they say and give it a try - I do try and kinda give everything a try and then keep doin the stuff that seems good. Usually they be right. I also suck most the time iono

on a random note, they really need to nerf the shield on last boss of rookery that shit is so stupidly beefy

maybe they dont iono that fight just goes on for fucking ever

[subtle tundra]

idc what the sims say i play how i want

slaves to the robot

break free

[haughty flicker]

no

trust the robot for fear of future repercussions

[timber meadow]

lol i think there's some merit to your meme to an extent like strictly following robots is gonna troll you sometimes and strictly being a feelsy player will troll you a lot

but like if there were no robots we'd all prob be way worse dmg do'ers

[subtle tundra]

you would

[timber meadow]

😦

[timber meadow]

this is the part of it thats weird/interesting tbh

like why lol

is it a gain for dslice

[runic hinge]

The sim does that cause I do that

[haughty flicker]

he just like me fr

also

theoretically

how cursed is 5 cp max

[red schooner]

I mean no darkest night so that'd be scuffed

So maybe fatebound would be the play

[runic hinge]

I thought dn was just max combo points not 7 specific

[zenith elm]

i'm genuine when i say this, i hate raiding with both our progress rooster and our chill rooster

[haughty flicker]

yeah it be max cp

[red schooner]

I... Hm.. you may be right

Legit never not played with less than 7

[runic hinge]

I have but I was trying some weird shit

[haughty flicker]

i have some insanely cursed ideas

[subtle tundra]

bis

[zenith elm]

How are you doing fellow gamers ? 🙂

[rotund oak]

[subtle tundra]

unfortunately the talents are way stronger than any alternatives and also deathstalker sucks for it(badly designed)

[haughty flicker]

yeah its kind of an issue

[subtle tundra]

i painted for 1.5hrs yesterday(barely got anything done, im slow asf)

[haughty flicker]

like where do you move the point from deeper

legit nothing can compete

[mystic osprey]

switch teams homie

[subtle tundra]

deep in my asssssssssssssssssss

deeeeeeeeeeeep

[haughty flicker]

[rotund oak]

[haughty flicker]

ok so you play fatebound and just play without deeper or alacrity

thats the play

also take sanguine blades for even less energy

[rotund oak]

thats not cursed thats trolling

[haughty flicker]

only 20% behind pog

[zenith elm]

I can't, i like them

but i feel like sometimes ppl are asleep behind their screens

[zenith elm]

Damn, can i see ?

[mystic osprey]

you literally just said you hating raiding with both your rosters

[zenith elm]

No, when its both at the same time

rooster progress? wow much good i love it

but when we try to do the same progression with the chill one, not so chill cause you need to compensate for low low dps

[subtle tundra]

no

im shy

[oak tangle]

careful, have to rename ursefl "painter varas"

[zenith elm]

I wanna see the good painting 😦

[subtle tundra]

if you think its good youre more delusional than me

[grim jay]

Did you kill gally by now?

[red schooner]

He's free

To paint

[zenith elm]

I always see the positive with good ppl ❤️

[zenith elm]

Mythic Gally?

[subtle tundra]

yea on tuesday

shit boss

went from 64% to 0% in 7 pulls

from 34% to 0% in 1

[grim jay]

Dang, cant remember when I set you up to be Just Varas if you dont kill him on the next prog day

[zenith elm]

Can we see, the logs ? 🙂

[red schooner]

It gives my RFWL guild hope for CE this tier

I want to believe

[subtle tundra]

nope cause they are private
also i played monk

[zenith elm]

Damn

not a true assa enjoyer, lol

[grim jay]

He kinda has to play what he has to play

[subtle tundra]

if i was a true assa enjoyer i wouldve been on the bench on ALL bosses

btw

there would've been no bosses where id prog

[red schooner]

Nah bench is comfy

You can just sit

Chill

Maybe read a book idk

[subtle tundra]

maybe on gallywix i would've played cause its irrelevant boss
but like, imagine only playing gally

when mugzee was a banger

[runic hinge]

Banger?

I hardly know-er?

[primal turret]

Which talent build is the to-go option? I saw difference between the archon most popular builds and the wowhead guide

[red schooner]

For m+?

[primal turret]

Yes, should have specified sorry

[red schooner]

Depends on key levels and your preferences but I always thought of the hybrid build as a default, though bleed build is growing in popularity

[primal turret]

Excuse my ignorance, what do you mean with bleed build and hybrid build?

[red schooner]

Hybrid build takes kingsbane and dragon tempered blades for more ST at the cost of a bit of aoe (our st is bad anyhow), bleed build goes full aoe mode with a slight st loss

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[red schooner]

It's on the wowhead guide

[golden loom]

Bleed is not even a ST loss as talked about like an hour ago

[red schooner]

It'll go into more detail about which build does what

[red schooner]

Listen I only recently woke up okay

[golden loom]

good morning

[primal turret]

Thank you for your help, ill chet it out

[red schooner]

Life is pain I crave the bed once more

[grim jay]

Its been talked about for days

No excuses bozo

[red schooner]

I thought it was like, a minor loss ST, like very minor anyhow

[runic hinge]

It’s better now with the buffs to ambush

[golden loom]

blindside zoldyck bomba

[runic hinge]

Cause blindside

[red schooner]

Ye I've not played around with it since the multi/ambush changes

[runic hinge]

Blindside is good dopamine

[grim jay]

I still dont feel like playing without kb tho

So I might try a version

[runic hinge]

I play with kb and IW

[red schooner]

I am stuck in my hybrid ways

[runic hinge]

Instead of doomblade and sbs

[red schooner]

Idk I'm bad with change

[runic hinge]

Plays exactly the same

Except if you don’t have kb you can free send shivs outside dm

[red schooner]

Spend shivs unethically to maximise demise damage

[runic hinge]

For sure

[golden loom]

well its more to boost the most broken ability known to man, crimson terry

[runic hinge]

CRIMSON TERRY

[golden loom]

still cant believe that button ever got buffed

[runic hinge]

It’s been buffed like 5 times since df

Enough to maintain in ST

[red schooner]

Counterpoint: big sudden demise makes me happy

[golden loom]

it does lead to big demise as a bonus

[runic hinge]

Refreshing CT right at 35% and pressing shiv and watching 4 mobs die at once

[red schooner]

[runic hinge]

Is it unethical? Yes. Do I do it anyways? Yes

[spice surge]

#assassination message

When it pops with deathmark

[runic hinge]

I’ve watched that like ten times lol

[grim jay]

Watching your dps climb was the selling point tho

[red schooner]

God damn

[runic hinge]

You have good music taste

Eleem

[warm vortex]

Mhmm

[hexed frost]

I was playing on my MM hunter as dark ranger and oh boy, the hero talent is exactly what I felt poopstalker would've been if the rogue Devs weren't clinically r-word

Replace ambush with a plague damage ability and build the hero talent around it. Give AoE and ST effects as choice nodes.

[subtle tundra]

nice filter evade

banned

[quiet oar]

uh oh

Someone gets warned

[vestal eagle]

just wanted so tell, assa is alot of fun right now

[runic hinge]

Mods!

[real pike]

How tho

You get like free 8% by crashing all the trash into him last set

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-dodge-anime-ok-anime-dodge-baru-gif-24918930

Rogue Devs ignoring any ST buffs for assa

[quiet oar]

Well it literally got ST buffs

[runic hinge]

They literally just buffed our ST lol

[quiet oar]

Tony we are the same

[runic hinge]

[quiet oar]

Whispyr typing

Danny

[subtle tundra]

i wanna take a shit

[hexed frost]

But still getting beaten by BDK and PW

[subtle tundra]

meow

[hollow river]

[real pike]

Make sure you don't get caught by the owner

[balmy condor]

!mute @hexed frost 7d very clear filter evade + mindless dev bashing

[subtle tundra]

well the m+ st dmg is a design issue of our talent tree

we were top dmg in st last tier in raid, we were still dogshit in m+

now we are mid in raid, even more dogshit in m+

[runic hinge]

Also it might be a bit intentional at this point because our aoe is pretty bonkers

[subtle tundra]

i doubt they go "assa... big aoe blasters... dogshit st"

[real pike]

I miss our DF profile ngl

[runic hinge]

Can’t have us being good at everything

[red schooner]

Rip Danny, died doing what he loved, filter evading

[golden loom]

Yeah boss lived with 150m after we crashed in, we missed like 300m damage from balls not being fully filled up

[real pike]

Oh that is rough

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/packwatch-gif-22219180

[red schooner]

Next raid night fr fr

[real pike]

Yeah nice to go into next raid knowing you'll kill it

[runic hinge]

Not entirely but maybe a little. I mean they did buff muti/ambush to shore things up

[golden loom]

Hopefully we dont regress

[real pike]

Don't be like me and drop DM+KB right before sorting then get picked for trash

[runic hinge]

Holy Btfo’ed

[red schooner]

Ye that's an issue with close wipes, sometimes people go 'oh hey, we got this', stop focusing and then you don't get close again for a while

[real pike]

I'm actually so excited for pure ST sprocket

[golden loom]

Was also last pull of the night

[real pike]

Full ST fights are the best fights and no one can change my mind

[red schooner]

Yeah but what about padding

[real pike]

Got enough of that on my person thank you

Kyveza, Volcoross and Rashok standout bosses

[mystic osprey]

never padded in my life

gallywix

1.01b boss damage chad right here

I do the important jobs 🔥

[red schooner]

How many bombs thrown in the pit though?

Last kill I did 11 because I have trust issues

[mystic osprey]

whenever raid leader called i put bomb in hole

[red schooner]

Okay this is good

When the fucking mage is sat there next to a bomb and doesn't drop it in

[real pike]

I miss our boss damage last tier, I still go to sleep thinking about our Ovinax kill sometimes

[mystic osprey]

our mages are little mechanic whoress

our raid leader is mean to them </3

[earnest heron]

do we full send envenoms during KB/DM phases and then wait until last second outside of cds i assume? and if so do we just do nothing once we’re at 5+ combo and waiting for last second

[golden loom]

Slam

Less thinking more slamming = big damage

[red schooner]

The mages at least do the toys on cauldron, but ye, gally bombs are a blind spot

[real pike]

Never felt more important 🥹

[earnest heron]

if i slam i run out of energy and lose my envenom buff tho 😭

[mystic osprey]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[mystic osprey]

@earnest heron ^

[real pike]

Ours don't even put their oil in the Vexie bikes

[earnest heron]

it does say on wow head atm to use envenom in the last second of the buff is why i asked but if it’s better to just slam ill do that

[real pike]

I and a few others I know still do this because it feels better, but it is not a dps gain

But if you ever cap cause of blindside procs etc you are losing dammy

[earnest heron]

ah ok, it does feel a little weird to just not do anything for a bit but it does feel like it helps

[bronze pike]

i think i will bypass filters today

[red schooner]

Mages are either mechanical gods or mechanically blind

There is no in-between

[real pike]

I come from playing combat in wotlk, we spent 40% of our time doing nothing lawl

[swift roost]

Okay I am a little confused on m+ builds, I thought hybrid was standard for most keys, especially 10+ ones, but the bleed build is pulling ahead even on st now? And we are not taking kingsbane?😅😅😅

[real pike]

Yes

[swift roost]

Even on higher keys?

[runic hinge]

Double dare

[bronze pike]

mods are poopy heads silly brains

there

[real pike]

Yes

[worthy fable]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[scenic kelp]

What is The Best m+ Spec? Or are all three in a good state?

[mystic osprey]

all good

sin sorta giga ngl

whateva you're best at is probably chill

[spice surge]

Probably sin ye

[blazing pumice]

has anyone used amorphous relic before

does it proc from vanish

[primal turret]

Question: should i try to not go under 30 energy in order to avoid drinking thistle tea outside of cd windows?

[red schooner]

Nah, doesn't matter

[shrewd night]

Short answer, you dont minmax thistle tea like that

[red schooner]

In raid I'll frequently be out of tea in the first minute. It is what it is.

[swift roost]

Thats goated

[zenith elm]

I love the bleed build. Sorry easy to stay consistent

[fading crater]

!drop

[static glacier]

Sin had the most pronounced strengths but also arguably the most glaring weakness

[swift roost]

But no kingsbane on bleed build?
Wut?

[cerulean walrus]

Nopers

Don't need t

[spice surge]

Kingsbane stinky nowadays

Darkest night envenom does more damage than non-dm kb

[quiet oar]

[spice surge]

Especially if you dont have 2x poisons

[quiet oar]

Kingsbane was poopy

Got buffed in S3

was goodge again

Got nerfed

and got furhter nerfed

now Kingsbane poopy

The Cycle repeats itself

[swift roost]

Oof

[cerulean walrus]

Banging in raid though

[swift roost]

But how do I now use shiv on the bleed build?
Before or after setting caustic splatter?
And what do I do after initial pull when it comes back up?

[spice surge]

Use two during deathmark

Otherwise use when crimson is up

[amber brook]

i feel the pain when going into cages

[warm vortex]

Just don’t go in them then

[swift roost]

Thx, but do I still wait to shiv on targets after setting caustic spatter?

[spice surge]

Use when crimson is up

Thats it

[swift roost]

Thx, I thought it interacted with caustic splatter😅

[spice surge]

Shiv does interact with spatter yes

[crimson lotus]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[dawn heath]

does it matter which side u stand on for spatter on gallywix? or is it only relevant where teh boss is relative to the adds?

[real pike]

There's a pin on spatter and how it works (I'm too dumb to know the answer)

[dawn heath]

it seems like it misses when i stood on the opposite side but i may just not have been able to see the numbers

[merry marten]

I have basically all of the heroic trinkets, what comp would you suggest me for a raid and m+ content? Also the heroic delves one.

[royal lantern]

sim that....?

[red schooner]

The bee one. You get to ride a bee. The numbers are wholly irrelevant

For you can ride a bee

And life is okay for that brief moment

[spice surge]

Speaking words of wisdom

Let it bee

[merry marten]

Well they all sim basically the same with minimal difference

[zenith elm]

then take whatever is the highest

[merry marten]

Ok mista

[rain coral]

hey how much dps overall is sufficient for an assa rogue to time +13 and +14?

[balmy condor]

Depends heavily on the dungeon

[subtle tundra]

above the tank

[balmy condor]

Not going to be remotely similar in a workshop compared to like a floodgate

[subtle tundra]

and no more than below the guy on first on meters

[rain coral]

how much in psf and floodgate?

how much in workshop?+

[subtle tundra]

like 12.3

[royal lantern]

overall dps is a meme

[balmy condor]

Psf and floodgate probably around 4mil, workshop idk like over 3 is probably enough tbh

[subtle tundra]

you should be able to get a 5mil overall in psf if you arent behind on gear

[balmy condor]

You just end up wasting a ton of time on bosses in workshop

Yeh but that wasn’t the question it was how much to time

[subtle tundra]

ah

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blazing pumice]

i sent the calculations to the enterprise and you need to do exactly 3,584,063 dps

[balmy condor]

Real and based

[subtle tundra]

you forgot a .

its actually 3.5k

[gleaming totem]

Maybe its a dumb question, but I wondered what the range of the yellow circle is in that spatter drawing? And is that only a fix applied to large bosses or is that the general mechanic now?

[balmy condor]

It changes

[gleaming totem]

ah melee distance

i overread that sorry

(while reading it 5 times...)

[normal kayak]

Anybody know why his envenom is hitting so fucking high in comparison? I only use it on max 6 combo points.

[golden loom]

when you say only on max 6

are u not going 7 for darkest night?

[normal kayak]

we had same talents

darkest night procs just off max doesnt it, so 6 combo points?

[golden loom]

we have 7

also the left log procced radiant power

[balmy condor]

Yeh looks like no darkest night tbh

[vast shuttle]

is it important to have weak auras?

[normal kayak]

is my WA outdated or something? I only ever have 6 in this tier 🤣

[balmy condor]

40 melee’s 21 hunt them downs

[plucky canopy]

Got a 15mil crit the other day, big evenoms out there

[balmy condor]

Losing your mark

[normal kayak]

i've got a wa for dark night passive etc

[balmy condor]

What passive

[golden loom]

well 6 combo points deffo aint the max

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[royal lantern]

its tracking 3 things that it doesnt need, so yeha, kinda

[balmy condor]

Is that luxthos

[normal kayak]

yeah

[subtle tundra]

luxthos deffo has to 7 cause i use it

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[golden loom]

do your eyes not go to the normal combo points tho?

[balmy condor]

Luxthos would have it updated idk

[real pike]

no

[normal kayak]

aint got them on because i have WA

[golden loom]

like personally I look more at them

[normal kayak]

with elvui

[subtle tundra]

no?

[balmy condor]

What version is your Luxthos

[golden loom]

idk maybe my eyes are just looking all over the place

[warm vortex]

Ok does anyone else do some like

Weird shit

When they are playing wow

[subtle tundra]

well its what you got used to

[warm vortex]

like for some reason mid rotation i will just counstantly double click my caps lock

[normal kayak]

just re9imported

i feel fucking sick

[plucky canopy]

I do, constantly open and close character Window

If I do nothing

[golden loom]

same

[plucky canopy]

Keeping amp high

[subtle tundra]

yeah i scratch my nuts while waiting for energy

[warm vortex]

Whispyr weak aura

[golden loom]

I am wasting C which is a good keybind just to be able to spam it

[warm vortex]

You play monk thought right

Just

make sure you don't punch it instead

[royal lantern]

and sniff on it?

[plucky canopy]

I have it rebound but still slamming it

[subtle tundra]

i played monk for ONE tier

[normal kayak]

not high enough 😭

[subtle tundra]

what about the other 10....

[warm vortex]

But yea like every 3 buttons i just double press caps lock for some reason

Fair Varas

Btw said it before

but huge gratz on killing mythic gally already!!!!

[subtle tundra]

idk people be complaining about assa nowadays but back in the day during sanctum of domination i was literally watching movies DURING progress

sylvanas prog was a highlight for me

a movie highlight

[golden loom]

spamming character window is like spamming tab when playing league, just feels good for some reason

[plucky canopy]

So true

[royal lantern]

tabbing out during downtimes with energy and shitpost in RH was my play during SL

[subtle tundra]

bro id have full on conversations

midprog

i still try to sometimes but it comes at a dps loss

...

fucking blizzard ruining my spec

[golden loom]

just gotta macro your important things u want said

like /meow /purr

[royal lantern]

smart

[subtle tundra]

miau

[royal lantern]

Gesundheit

[golden loom]

I did have /meow macrod into Evis on classic

[subtle tundra]

on monk i can at most do it during fists of fury...

but thats a quick cast nowadays

[golden loom]

is there ever anyone that responds to you though

like a caster maybe?

[mystic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/amm-gif-8242971159485088966

[rain coral]

5kk dps overall seems to be way to high

ive seen best rogues with 4,4kk dps overall in a timed +16

[subtle tundra]

i had a period where i was typing in /say

[rain coral]

i think with 4kk dps overall +13/14 should be possible

[warm vortex]

Guys

Why does the trench coat make your chars caked up

With and without it

[subtle kiln]

Gotta complain about something, right? It’s terrible when your spec can do just about everything.

[warm vortex]

Wait someone had a better example

gimmie asec

[subtle tundra]

waaaah waaaaah

well yeah i do complain cause its not healthy to have everything

in your spec

[subtle kiln]

I’ve given up that fight.

[red schooner]

So you can have a comfier seat when on the bench

[warm vortex]

True

Ik this sounds like the most ego thing ever but
Given my guild
Never gonna be on the bench
Mainly because we don't have enough people to do mythic

Well we do

[subtle kiln]

Just let me be a melee mage.

[warm vortex]

But it's like exactly 20

[royal lantern]

hey

i want spatter to be weaker and CT to be less insane, and instead more Rupture/garrote dmg ok????

blame blizz for always going down the same way with specs

[normal kayak]

Right, for CD's/pull, should I try to envenom with 5 combo points (3 times) to proc darkest night quicker and then spam 7 combo point envenoms? or always 7 combo point

[round stream]

the new recommended m+ build doesnt take kingsbane? o: never played without it before

[subtle tundra]

you clearly dont understand how it works

lol

[golden loom]

Finishers are always 5+, the only time you force 7 is when you have darkest night

[subtle kiln]

Best I can do is a 3% aura buff. -Bliz

[normal kayak]

that's why im asking you knob

[golden loom]

Which is after consuming 3 marks (using 3 finishers with 5+ points)

[royal lantern]

im still losing my mind over the fact that the last 2 buffs assa got, had a BUFF to crimson tempest, and a fucking aura buff

like wtf

[red schooner]

Darkest night gives you a single buffed 7cp envenom, then you're back to 5+ envenoms until you're back to darkest night

[warm vortex]

Tbh i think assa is fine rota wise atm

[golden loom]

Then you use a 7 cp envenom -> repeat cycle

[subtle tundra]

well my suggestion was gonna be for you to read the tooltips

[warm vortex]

Could it be better?

Yes

Could it be much worse

oh god yea

[subtle tundra]

cause nothing you typed made sense

[royal lantern]

dont be a dick varas, or i will suck you

[subtle kiln]

They figured BP had enough. Time to double down on CT

[normal kayak]

yeah thanks, i didnt know if it was best for always 7 cp envenoms or to only do a 7 after darknest night proc and then back to anytime over 5 cp envenoms

[subtle tundra]

nah bro caustic back to 45%, people play bleed build now so that means caustic is undertuned

[royal lantern]

nah, just always 5+ until DN, then max cp envenom and repeat

[normal kayak]

sweet, thanks all ❤️

[red schooner]

Rule of thumb, all finishing moves at 5+ CP, apart from darkest night which you cap out at 7. Ignore supercharger combo points

[royal lantern]

always going max cp would waste SOOOOOO many CP

[red schooner]

They don't exist

Supercharger is a myth

[normal kayak]

yeah thats what i was thinking

[iron vapor]

5+ is the way, that way you don't waste CP

If you get lucky and double crit on both mutilates you'll end up doing a 7CP envenom, but as long as you're going with at least 5 you're being efficient

[subtle kiln]

Oh assa back on bleeder hype train? I was doing dog stuff the past week. No idea whst is build of the week.

[red schooner]

In bleed build we trust

[subtle kiln]

gimme a link

[red schooner]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[red schooner]

I'm on mobile that's the best I can do

Also I'm lazy

[subtle kiln]

Yeah on mobile those ain’t it.

[royal lantern]

eh, tierset + mutilate/ambush buffs we got make the "bleed build" kinda better rn

but like in ussual wow player fashion, its not a big deal yet people go crazy

[subtle kiln]

I’ll look later. Pins are a word salad. Needs an editor.

[red schooner]

We enjoy a bit of yapping sometimes

[subtle kiln]

I was figuring more outlaw hype upon return.

[sacred schooner]

how to beat udk\mm ;x i literally do like 80-90% of their damage

[subtle kiln]

Reroll

[normal kayak]

you wait for them to roll off the platform or into shit

[golden loom]

I wish I got carried..

[subtle kiln]

get a better tank

[golden loom]

my back is getting worse in my old age

[fresh mica]

is it a good idea to go double envenom instead of master assasin

[short ledge]

i don't get it what's the point of taking subterfuge as assa rogue ?

[spice surge]

Makes master assassin, carnage and imp garrote 12s instead of 6

[short ledge]

ah okay was thinkin carnage and surterrfuge overlap

[spice surge]

Well they do

But subterfuge explicitly says it makes them longer

[atomic creek]

Does raidbots sim Cyrce's properly? Since sims seem to imply that replacing it with a different ring is an upgrade

[golden loom]

send sim

[atomic creek]

Did a quick gear compare sim since I'm not at my pc. Perpetual conflict at 665 is 2k DPS increase according to this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bbSwKEp2R81XQAVfsJyh4a

[golden loom]

well we are not using legendary skipper anymore

swap that to Wind singers

also 2k dps is a rounding error pretty much

[atomic creek]

Ah ok, I missed that I shouldn't use legendary

[golden loom]

yep usually if circlet is simming worse its a gem being wrong 😄

[subtle kiln]

that got nerfed quite a bit ago

[atomic creek]

Now it does sim better with Cyrce, thank you XD

[atomic creek]

I clearly wasn't paying attention then, good to know now though lol

[primal turret]

Is raidbots working correctly? I sim considerably less with the Bleed build in both aoe and st scenarios

[astral oxide]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[subtle tundra]

link le sim

[primal turret]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nccN2iBsC3goQTuVoaVTXa
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/59WhYwNhAMkJhmYMJ4kp83
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x7H2yPVfSZKk5ZXKvmQc7c
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vC9Yjy9sSBxfbwL68MCKb9
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nCVr4w4mEvwT14h6p6xVks

[subtle tundra]

thats some

[primal turret]

IK my gear is thrash but is my 3rd alt

[subtle tundra]

wtf hectic add cleave

[primal turret]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[golden loom]

also simming dungeon slice with all raid buffs..

[subtle tundra]

that doesnt impact results

only numbers

[golden loom]

ah i guess

[subtle tundra]

i think your bleed build isnt the 100% correct one

it has tight spenders for once

and kingsbane, not 100% sure thats the best variant

[golden loom]

👍

[subtle tundra]

well both builds have iron wire so he wants to compare iron wire variants

unfair to compare

[golden loom]

well u atleast take arterial

on bleed

and then u take double shiv

[subtle tundra]

yeah for sure

[primal turret]

I copypasted the builds from methodguide, If you think any talent change is important id appreciate the feedback

[unreal tide]

Maintaining execute bleeds on targets that never die. 😭

[royal lantern]

what

[mystic osprey]

what

[royal lantern]

what the fuck are you talking about

[mystic osprey]

😔

[royal lantern]

are you hitting dmg dummys at 1% hp for 30seconds and then go crazy in a class discord?

[mystic osprey]

no

i hit it for like a nhour

😔

[spice surge]

Execute strong

[golden basin]

Hello guys, I've recently found out that during raids, it is hard to maintain a constant dps due to lack of energy (only on ST), like I'm usually in the top 3dps and then it suddenly goes down (cd phase) and I never get back

I'm doing the dry shiv and stuff, but in the end, it's always a lack of energy when the boss is about 30%hp

What you guys do during cd phase? I prob fail this part

[mystic osprey]

yeah i didnt know it was this strong 💀

[royal lantern]

yes, you surely did

[silver sapphire]

Sorry maybe this question has been answered a million times, but is there any % of haste we should aim for or we just trust sims?

[spice surge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[mystic osprey]

30 seconds 🔥

[royal lantern]

so you are hitting 5 or 6 enemys that literally never die and are permanent in execute

and are suprised about the numbers

[mystic osprey]

On the bleed build are you pressing shiv at the start of dm and when it expires; then using it like the dry shiv on hybrid>

[mystic osprey]

yes

im surprised

[royal lantern]

why????

ofc thats the result lol

[mystic osprey]

because i havent had that much damage on any other spec

not sure about you but thats a lot of numbers for me

[royal lantern]

thats not really true, but ok

[mystic osprey]

I***********

[spice surge]

2x during DM, the rest of them is pretty much whenever as long as crimson is up

[mystic osprey]

ty

[grim jay]

Close to -30% damage because you just cheated your whole time to be in execute and there are quite some specs getting numbers like that

[royal lantern]

like, again, what the hell do you expect

its a spec with strong sustained aoe dmg and execute

you hit dummys that are in permanent execute and perfectly stacked for 30min and then say the numbers are "bigger then everything else"

which is like

what

[mystic osprey]

---> I haven't tried it before and that's a lot of damage <---

Idk how many times I've expressed that and it's really not that deep homie

ty

[silver sapphire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lavish geyser]

how do tyhow do you guys use topgear to find your best gear combo? I cant select close to all my stuff before I have too many combinations

and I have removed enchants and gems

[drifting cloud]

how much gear do you have jesus

[lavish geyser]

not alot

[drifting cloud]

I literally only have alternate options in like 4 slots, you lock 1 trinket and it doesnt even go above 100 combos usually

[spice surge]

Its the gems and enchants that clutter up the combinations

Just dont bother with those, they dont make any difference either way

[lavish geyser]

I have taken them off as mentioned

I have selected what I wanted to test and I have 13 million combinations XD. is it just the trinkets?

doing its thing

[golden loom]

what the fuck

13 mill?

[royal lantern]

you have "replace existing enchants and gems" active?

[lavish geyser]

no

[royal lantern]

.....now im curious

[lavish geyser]

well i have selected alot of stuff

tbh

but I wanna test trinkets n that

[spice surge]

Idk then youre probably including tons of items that are completely irrelevant and never gonna be even close to the best

Like a pair of boots that are 30 ilvls lower or some shit

[drifting cloud]

yeah 80% of those delve trinkets are vendor food

[lavish geyser]

i had selected a tier shoulder peice too much. so now im down to 7 mil

[spice surge]

Or you have unechanted/ungemmed rings with a bunch of gems/enchants selected

[lavish geyser]

I dont have any enchants selected

[royal lantern]

the only trinkety you really include in sims are: House of Cards/signet/pacemaker/magnet tbh

[drifting cloud]

and if youre simming for m+ you can ignore high haste items

[golden loom]

idk I only have useful items in my inventory personally

[drifting cloud]

unless theyre somehow way higher ilvl than anything else you have

[lavish geyser]

well this one is for outlaw. but it is more of a simming question then a spec question

[royal lantern]

half of them at 60gold vendor items

[lavish geyser]

im down to 5.4m now

still only can do 300k XD

iterations that is

[static glacier]

It’s seaforium and signet

[lavish geyser]

it was more of a simming question. cause this is actually for outlaw. i got my assa gear locked in.

[static glacier]

Ayo

I’d just sim 5min patchwerk and dslice

And pick as many realistic options

That could be good

[drifting cloud]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[lavish geyser]

that is kinda what im doing, its just the trinkets that are making it hard

[gray horizon]

You can pool energy a little bit before hitting Envenom. You don't really need to slam it on every global, you can wait for the buff to almost expire before hitting it. Also you should have no energy problems at all during Deathmark, since you're getting giga energy from your bleeds. During execute you also shouldn't have too many energy problems since Blindside will be proccing like crazy which is basically free energy.

Even being slightly energy starved you should be popping off during execute

[shy axle]

having no energy is the speccs design

@gray horizon isnt pooling no longer a thing aside from kingsbane due to double stack env buff?

thought it is only needed in m+ spec

[gray horizon]

It only REALLY sucks when you are trying to refresh bleeds while also trying to hit your darknest night finisher

[shy axle]

just dash it out, you`ll have no energy either way

[gray horizon]

Idk, I still do it. Just feels better to play for me.

[nova aspen]

any1 have a WA that tracks lingering darkness?

or maybe its in one of the packs?

[gray horizon]

It's tracked in all the packs

[nova aspen]

all of them except zac's ofc

unless im just blind

[gray horizon]

I just use whispyr's afenar edit

[nova aspen]

@midnight mist

oi

[gray horizon]

Only thing i don't super like about that pack actually is it doesn't really give you any indicators for shiv, so you kind of have to remember that your cp's are supercharged

but other than that it's great

[nova aspen]

it does give the first 2 combo points a red highlight

but it gets covered up as soon as the combo points are filled

[dawn pollen]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gray horizon]

Oh actually, that reminds me. Probably pretty min/max-y, but since we get two supercharged cp's now, do you guys actually take that into consideration for your finishers? Like instead of finishing at 5+, are you finishing at 4+?

Except for the darknest night proc, of course

[nova aspen]

no, it doesn't change gameplay

[gray horizon]

Hmm. Feels like you could save some energy though by doing 4+, since you aren't slamming another mutilate

Maybe the dmg offsets it though

[lean plover]

You ignore supercharged and play like they dont exist

[nova aspen]

when it first came out and replaced ER, we were told it doesnt change how you play

[lean plover]

you just take the bonjs dmg

[golden loom]

you take supercharger to make your finishers stronger, why then do less damage by finishing on lower combo points

[gray horizon]

I guess my thought was you get to darkest night faster, which gives you a big hefty finisher

[midnight mist]

What

[spice surge]

Ye but your finishers also do less damage (since you use them at lower cp)

So it ends up not being worth it overall

[gray horizon]

Gotcha 🙂 Okay cool, ty. Just something I was playing with to see if it made a difference

[nova aspen]

2 things about your WA pack for sin

the supercharge highlight on combo points is no longer visable once the combo points are filled

and i dont think u have a tracker for lingering darkness

unless im blind or removed it somehow by accident

[half igloo]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[midnight mist]

That's not true you still have the borders

[midnight mist]

I do but I might have not updated it

[nova aspen]

i never noticed the borders

ill need to look again

[midnight mist]

[nova aspen]

would be nice if u could make the whole thing a red highlight tho

i mean each cp

[spice spire]

Noob

[subtle kiln]

borders are bis

[midnight mist]

like the entire cp color?

but then you dont know if you have one or 2 cp or 0

or wdy,

[coral ibex]

i think he means like fill in 1/2 cp based on how many superchargers you have

[subtle kiln]

overthinking supercharger

[coral ibex]

so you press shiv and then your first 2 cp light up or something

[nova aspen]

like how it fills white and then hides most of the red highlight

[coral ibex]

common implementation

[nova aspen]

if it instead filled red

[midnight mist]

this is how it shows except it doesnt fill anymore since you cant finish on cd

thats an old picture but i havent changed the visual really

just no fill anymore

[nova aspen]

hmm, yea i dont remember seeing that border with white filled

if thats the case its fine

i was looking for this

instead of the border

[midnight mist]

ok but how do you know its filled

i was doing this before when you were on the cp

[midnight mist]

cause it meant you would consume it

[nova aspen]

thats unfilled

[midnight mist]

sure i guess

idk to me the filled meant you are on the cp

so its weird

[nova aspen]

ohh i see what u mean

but that was for ER

[midnight mist]

yes

[nova aspen]

ohh wait so it still shows red filled

if u are at 1 or 2 cp?

[midnight mist]

no

i removed it

[nova aspen]

i see

[raven hill]

I have to be doing something wrong I feel so energy starved after thistles run out in raid

[midnight mist]

Because filled meant you were ON that cp

I could change it so it just means you have filled the cp but

I don't have issues seeing the border honestly

• idc about it I know

[coral ibex]

zacro perfect vision

[nova aspen]

i need to look harder at it, i never noticed the border

[coral ibex]

[midnight mist]

Lol

[nova aspen]

maybe mine is bricked

idk

i removed a couple things and maybe i broke it

[coral ibex]

the fact that you would need to "look harder" means a different implementation would probably work better for you

shouldn't have to use much brain to interpret your wa

[golden loom]

default wins again

[nova aspen]

i find his more clean than the rest so id like to keep it

but yea lingering darkness tracker

[tawny geyser]

This one is also ok tbh
It's minimalistic and easy to see.

[midnight mist]

I forgot to update it

[nova aspen]

yeah i like how they are filled

[midnight mist]

I have lingering tracker since I'm progging as sin

On mugzee

[nova aspen]

update nao

[midnight mist]

I might change color honestly

[nova aspen]

[midnight mist]

I know I had red cause it was clashing better against white than light blue

But

Will see

[golden basin]

Do u know why luxthos wa doesnt show the empowered stacks for shiv anymore ?

[midnight mist]

Need to think about itn

No time rn

[tawny geyser]

I actually tried to do that, but I'm scared to be touching WA's 😂
My brain is not large enough to understand WA stuff.

[warm vortex]

Literally me

I wanna change some parts on a destro WA pack I got

[nova aspen]

is it an easy change to go from red border to red filled?

maybe i can do it for myself

[midnight mist]

If it's mine it's litteraly just in conditions, I made it easy to change colors

[warm vortex]

But it’s like handing a chimpanzee a computer and asking him to fix it

[midnight mist]

Yes

In conditions

Idk I don't remember

[nova aspen]

like that

[warm vortex]

I try and move shit around in the pack I have and it doesn’t work

[tawny geyser]

Like...what? 😮
Color, where? haha

[nova aspen]

[tawny geyser]

You gotta be dip. ing. sc for this shit.

[nova aspen]

need to take a 6 week course on WA

coding

[coral ibex]

another ticket, another "damn that's crazy" from a GM

[tawny geyser]

Props to Luxthos for doing all this. Really appreciate the guy.

[half igloo]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[midnight mist]

good bot

[quiet oar]

good bot

[spice surge]

My man Richard is famous around these parts

[gray horizon]

a mage in my guild has the same problem, he's stuck at 5 this week

[warm vortex]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[spice surge]

The poor quality of this image is what really sets it apart and makes it great

[zenith elm]

I qgree

Agree*

[warm vortex]

I qgree too

[shy axle]

i agree, lets see rick reverb command

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[royal lantern]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[warm vortex]

Yo tyran how are things going today my guy

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[golden loom]

lowkey crafting helm doesnt seem bad

tier helm aint the greatest and only other leather helm is from gally

[hardy rapids]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm vortex]

True

Similar situation with shoulders on hunt tbh

Only good ones are from muggers

[royal lantern]

MH and raid tonight

[warm vortex]

Nice nice mythic?

[grim jay]

Masturbating (for) Hours?

[static glacier]

Bad bot, it misspelt subtlety

[quiet oar]

You mean Subelty?

[iron ivy]

Hi, quick question about opener in raids: Do you envenom before applying dm & kb?

[spice spire]

Yes

[normal mist]

Yes, but in green

[iron ivy]

Ah, explains a bit of the damage difference in comparisons of logs ;p

thanks

[little tulip]

actual question

hi hello my name a wollmart

do we crimson tempest in single target with this bleed build or variations of it?

the aoe slaps

like it slaps

[normal mist]

No

2+ targets

[spice spire]

Yes we do

With no amp poison

[normal mist]

Waaa

Oh

[spice spire]

We maintain Ct ST

Bad green name

[normal mist]

We back to Shadowlands??

When did that change D:

[spice spire]

It’s literally the one build

[little tulip]

okay but also

asking for a friend

[normal mist]

Yo red name quake senpai, tell me more

[daring hamlet]

can you elaborate on this? we went in and capped rupture/garrote and it was a loss in sustained aoe and dslice. What change did you implement that prevented apl from spamming garrote/rupture during IC that was a gain in sustained aoe and a loss in dslice

[little tulip]

vicious venoms, also iron wire

missing serrated bone spikes with 38% crit is basically the same honestly...

[spice spire]

It’s literally just “ton of bleed talents, no amp” bleed does more to maintain

[spice spire]

Vicious venoms

[daring hamlet]

think we were just capping at 5 rupture/5 garrote

[normal mist]

Aight thanks, appreciate it. I'm washed up. My bad

[spice spire]

Nah it’s all good

It’s against everything s1 said

But due to nature of dungeons s1 bleed wasn’t too great

Specific buffs to us + dungeon design

[little tulip]

idk does vicious venoms over say master assassin improve single target damage?

[spice spire]

Bleed is kinda nutso

[spice spire]

No

[little tulip]

cause you only mutilate to refresh caustic right in aoe

[dapper cradle]

good morning quake

[spice spire]

Vicious venoms is good in a world where you’re making a ton of energy

[normal mist]

Kinda been wanting to resub just because I enjoy bleed builds

[spice spire]

In bleed build st we are not

[normal mist]

But CT st weird

[little tulip]

ye it fits into the rotation weirdly

[spice spire]

If you want IW you likely drop MA because what are you using MA for in bleed build

[little tulip]

but you can kinda get used to it you just ignore ctw procs

as i understand

[dapper cradle]

i started hitting CT instead of envenom in single target

way less damage but looks cooler

[spice spire]

Without kb

[little tulip]

300k bleed tics is hilarious

[earnest flume]

are we kinda cooked if we get trash ball first go on Stix or does it even out? I am holding till 38ish? seconds in

[spice spire]

Bleed build will not do great st

Like you need a ton of adjustments

[golden loom]

Its depressing yes

[little tulip]

ye i tried this build with kingsbane and it "worked"

[spice spire]

Which essentially makes it a weird hybrid build

It does

The kb build is fine

[little tulip]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1326094408763969577/1357215732487946411/WoWScrnShot_040325_124941.jpg?ex=67ef6526&is=67ee13a6&hm=63395edb09814c57d05becd5baa8aaa78940069c16545f08372c07e47d97d467&=&format=webp&width=964&height=542

[golden loom]

It does more ST than hybrid

[little tulip]

hybrid is better for fixing dps not focusing casters

[earnest flume]

its very fun topping the board during CDs if you dont get the ball. spatter onto all those adds goes dummy. fingers crossed i guess for no trash ball

[little tulip]

but bleed build kir

same thing

fat if you got a the precision

[earnest flume]

but then i get yelled at for having "bad" crab damage. pain

[spice spire]

Yeah but if you wanna do more st

Where do you go

Outside of no sbs kb

Which, sure?

[golden loom]

No like

[spice spire]

But you’re not doing ttk, you have no DTB

[golden loom]

Just normal bleed no kb

Does more than hybrid

[spice spire]

Pending builds

But it still does bad st compared to the field

And if you want to improve with raw talents

[golden loom]

Atleast according to what was said like 12 hours ago

[spice spire]

How do you do that

[fallow canopy]

I find that hard to believe ngl but I may be coping

[little tulip]

ye idk serrated bone spikes is kind of good but you don't miss it

[spice spire]

Nah bleed is better in st for some people

[golden loom]

Blindside zoldyck good

[spice spire]

The difference at baseline is like

1.3 if that

[little tulip]

idk what hybrid would take without sbs ideally

also

[spice spire]

If you’re so hardlined on st probably ttk

It’s also just infinitely easier to say “I do big aoe, not gonna do strong st”

[winged sun]

@spice spire

hi master of asses

any minmaxes with house of cards?

[dapper cradle]

Bleed and Hybrid basically do the same ST

[winged sun]

or just bind with deathmark?

[spice spire]

Just bind

[dapper cradle]

it's like within 1% or some shit

[little tulip]

ye i dislike losing iron wire cause refreshment vendor a castin