assassination

[spice spire]

I’ll thread

Don’t dm me

[errant heath]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Vrftbcq3npBzZGJ1

[runic hinge]

6 hours of sleep on a Saturday brother were well rested

[high walrus]

is vanish useless for us in raid now that we play vicious venoms instead of improved garrote

[midnight mist]

dmed you

please answer

[high walrus]

or do you just vanish to ambush

[iron vapor]

That's basically it, useful if you drop death stalker's mark or need to switch targets in cauldron.

[high walrus]

comfy, ty

[spice surge]

Vanish doesnt actually do more than mutilate

So if you dont need to swap your mark target, just dont vanish

[high walrus]

doesn't it do more damage and give another cp

[coral ibex]

mutilate does yea

[golden loom]

Ambush and mutilate same button

[spice surge]

They do roughly the same damage

Mutilate gives more poison procs n stuff

[golden loom]

I guess you only have to roll 1 crit for ambush to give 4

But muti has those benefits

[coral ibex]

i thought ambush could only gen 3

and mutilate 4

[golden loom]

U have improved ambush

So its 3 + 1 for crit

And muti is 2 + 1 + 1

[coral ibex]

right right

[high walrus]

my shiv usage is so ass

not used to raiding

[spice spire]

Caravaggio’s log review

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/1blocked-message-discord-meme-troll-brick-wall-gif-23392632

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[high walrus]

still bind shiv to tea for ST right

or is that illegal

[iron vapor]

Nah it works, chances of actually having tea available at the same time as shiv after the first 45 seconds of a fight are limited tho

[midnight mist]

????

[iron vapor]

Does save a single button press in the initial burst window

[grand trail]

assa master minds

i looted mythic keys trinket

it sim so good for m+ but it is really that good?

was like 1,5% last dungeon

[covert meteor]

99% sure that shit is sim bait

[iron vapor]

Which trinket? Signet of the Priory?

[sullen mural]

the spare keys

[sullen mural]

first raid boss

[grand trail]

nobody wanted it we had couple dropped

[iron vapor]

Ohhh, I don't rate it personally

[grand trail]

rookery

[iron vapor]

2.5 mil every 2 mins, not amazing

[royal lantern]

its 2025, can people stop saying "simbait" lol

[spice surge]

Most trinkets suck ass

[grand trail]

i guees i go with fucking pacemaker again

[soft shale]

trinkets are very weak overall

[iron vapor]

An extra 21k DPS if you use it exactly on cooldown every time

[grand trail]

cos when i play kezan i do crazy ninja pulls

[covert meteor]

it sims well but it performs terribly what else would u call it???

[coral ibex]

simbait simbait simbait simbait

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-10347810988835752163

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/mhw-monster-hunter-monster-hunter-wilds-finger-point-gif-15920010080149579513

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-monster-hunter-wilds-explosion-gif-3531302798052418797

[iron vapor]

Id rather take a champ track mega magnet than mythic keys - if you're looking purely at the on-use effect

[coral ibex]

mega magnet is like a budget MQM from last season

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/wudwud-rise-up-nation-rise-up-monster-hunter-monster-hunter-wilds-gif-6522160672257109782

[iron vapor]

Obviously the agility makes a difference

[coral ibex]

feels good to rip it during LD

[grand trail]

im not really fan of magnet as i do play it on my DH

but on DH its really nice

[celest crescent]

guys how do you sim m+? dslice?

[royal lantern]

dslice yes

[viscid spear]

Idk which dungeons to vote for, I don't really like any of them

[warm vortex]

Guysd

2 12s attempted today

2 12s timed today

[royal lantern]

just dont then

[warm vortex]

But i was gigatrolling last key

Mouse just stopped working before boss 2

So i had shit overall

[royal lantern]

blizz doing a community voting is idiotic anyway

cus that shit always ends in disaster

[warm vortex]

We also had an unholy DK

What are they doing a vote for

[royal lantern]

damm, that guy was from 2048 and unlocked cross specs?

[warm vortex]

yea

That's why we timed it

[warm vortex]

Btw

Hru today Tryan

[spice spire]

This is how we end up with priory two seasons in a row

Or meadery

[runic hinge]

I voted for priory

fight me

[heavy island]

im not sure how to do better other that mash my buttons harder: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x3YANFnyk1JTmjCK?fight=16&type=damage-done

[golden loom]

Dawnbreaker my goat

[warm vortex]

Link the poll

Imma vote for grimrail

[viscid spear]

They want you to vote on TWW dungeons for Season 3

Or else I would 100% spam Grimrail and Docks

[warm vortex]

IkIk i was makign a joke

Because last time they did this people voted for grimrail to troll

But yeye where is this poll

Ik what im voting for

[runic hinge]

for the most part it looks fine but you also killed right as your cds came up so that's kinda gonna fuck you

[spice spire]

Harder? Pal I hardly know er

[runic hinge]

when your last gcd is DM

[gritty laurel]

i'm sure a log review would find some small optimizations, but the reality is that kill time is a huge part of parsing and 6:03 kill time is very slow

[viscid spear]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/vote-for-your-favorite-war-within-dungeon-winners-included-in-season-3-mythic-376156

[heavy island]

ive been told many times our kills are slow af

[runic hinge]

like i said your last gcd being dm means your parse is never gonna be good

[gritty laurel]

on the bright side, it makes you look like a dps god in your guild runs

[runic hinge]

just unlucky tbh

[heavy island]

i stg they let me die when im pumping

[burnt star]

beside ilvl and kill time

[golden loom]

6:03 😮

[runic hinge]

if you were even slower you coulda got that last dm off in execute and it coulda been good

[golden loom]

My kill last week was 4:26

[runic hinge]

why is ara-kara winning

place is disgusting

[heavy island]

i swap between sub and sin for them bc we dont have that much dmg on shit like rik

[haughty flicker]

because it has a good trinket

[gritty laurel]

because sacbrood, i guarantee it

[haughty flicker]

same with priory and floodgate lmao

[runic hinge]

sacbrood is dumb af passive lol

[gritty laurel]

i'm not disagreeing, but it do be pumpin

[haughty flicker]

by good i mean large number last season

[warm vortex]

Easy and good trink

[runic hinge]

at least pick priory for an active that everyone can use

[haughty flicker]

not interesting

[warm vortex]

I voted floodgate cause it's actually fun

Imo

and thematically cool

[viscid spear]

Everyone wants the sac

[golden loom]

Fuck floodgate

Fuck swampface and fuck bubbles

[runic hinge]

bubbles is cute but hurts

[coral ibex]

2% of wow players are permanently brain damaged

holy shit

[haughty flicker]

i dont think i care about any dungeon enough to vote for it

[gritty laurel]

swampface is troll but the rest of the dungeon is great

[royal lantern]

bubbles is hidden inside that damn because of his warcrimes

[haughty flicker]

can i vote for dungeons i dont want

[coral ibex]

who the FUCK voted for city of threads

find them

[haughty flicker]

and give them negative votes

[coral ibex]

put them in jail

[warm vortex]

ACTUALLY TRUE

[golden loom]

Bubbles is the real old god of the seas, puts nzoth to shame

[warm vortex]

FUCK CITY OF THREADS

DOGSHIT PLACE

[royal lantern]

there is always people that vote for bad stuff cus its funny

[warm vortex]

NO COOL CITIZENS

[viscid spear]

Surprised anyone's voting for Cinderbrew

I legit turn off sound when I go in there

[royal lantern]

like, for everything

[runic hinge]

call me the 2%

[warm vortex]

I mean SV too

[royal lantern]

strong trinket for casters

literally all votes are "LOL BIS TRINKET FOR ME THERE LOLOLOLOL"

what a suprise

[viscid spear]

I guess but I still don't wanna

[haughty flicker]

need to make sure theres actually a neck in the dungeon pool too

lmao

[warm vortex]

But yea floodgate is fun
Cool theme
Cool visuals
Cool idea
Fun to run

[runic hinge]

Priory is fun cause its pad city

[warm vortex]

Then again only done it on a 12 so far

[golden loom]

Its time for grim batol

[viscid spear]

Plaguefall

[golden loom]

M+ 17 bosses BRD

Fuck m+ players!

[haughty flicker]

dire maul m+ when

[viscid spear]

Maraudon Complete

[golden loom]

Tribute run m+ would go hard

[high walrus]

where do we vote

[gritty laurel]

goofy ass website won't let me vote even after i log in because it thinks i don't have a level 10 character

[viscid spear]

#assassination message

[high walrus]

and can I vote for arcway 10 times

ty

[golden loom]

Have m+ players that complain about RP do a rend run 100 times in a season

[viscid spear]

Give us Maw of Souls back

[high walrus]

has seat of the triumvirate ever been in m+? I skipped bfa and SL

[warm vortex]

Tbh

Gnomer back

Aoe dagger

[runic hinge]

Violet hold m+ when

[viscid spear]

Complete 4 Mythics for a Heroic Raid piece? Just run Maw of Souls. Done in 10 minutes.

[haughty flicker]

lmao violet hold would actually be the funniest m+ dungeon possible

[high walrus]

oh it's just tww dungeons

ew

give me another season of court of stars instead

[warm vortex]

halls of reflection

[viscid spear]

Yeah, they'll dump the other ones on us

[high walrus]

blizzard devs figuring out the worst dungeons of all time to plop in m+ rotation

can't wait

[viscid spear]

Oculus

[astral plover]

When simming eye of Kazan, what is its stacks?

[high walrus]

Well of eternity

[haughty flicker]

halls of valor, halls of reflection, halls of origination, halls of infusion

m+ rotation confirmed

[warm vortex]

Bro that would be so shit

[high walrus]

halls of valor might be my top 5 least favorite dungeon of all time

[viscid spear]

What about Zul'Aman, Zul'Gurub, and Halls of Origination? We've already had Vortex, Throne, and Grim, why not some other Cata locales?

[warm vortex]

Ok

hear me out

Shadowfang keep

[high walrus]

ZA would be cool, that dungeon is already packed with trash but has like 10 bosses

halls of origination also has like 8 bosses

[misty comet]

Can you say megadungeon?

[royal lantern]

I STILL love how they first said "we do MoP maximum, everything else is to old!" just to drop shity cata dungeons 5months later and they all where horrible

[haughty flicker]

i was actually about to ask if we're getting a megadungeon

like how many of these voted dungeons are going to be in next season

[royal lantern]

thank god no, they all where always horrible

cool doing once

[golden loom]

Deadmines m+ would go so fucking hard

[royal lantern]

then comes m+

and they suck

every time

[warm vortex]

What version

[high walrus]

I thought everyone loved tazavesh

(never done it)

[golden loom]

I mean classic and cata are the same

[haughty flicker]

i dont have negative opinions about any of the megadungeons

[golden loom]

But edwin is cooler

So classic

[haughty flicker]

except for doti at the start when chromie was dumb as fuck

[high walrus]

I miss nokhud offensive bros...

[viscid spear]

Scarlet Halls
Sethekk Halls
Shattered Halls
Halls of Reflection
Halls of Lightning
Halls of Stone
Halls of Origination
Halls of Valor
Halls of Atonement
Halls of Infusion
10 Dungeon Season!

[astral plover]

can you change the way poisons open up, so instead of going right, go up?

[warm vortex]

"The best part about Galakrond's fall was pressing my hearthstone to get the fuck out"
-ancient proverb

[high walrus]

Algethar was good too

[misty comet]

Gnomer, ZF, Dire Maul, Strath, blackrock.

Classic cities. That's like 12 dungeons there.

[viscid spear]

I would say do a season where all the dungeons are "The ___" but half of the TBC dungeons are that.

[high walrus]

forgot how many dogshit dungeons DF has

[warm vortex]

It's THE season

[high walrus]

how are people voting arakara over floodgate

[warm vortex]

Trinkety

and ara is easier

[spice surge]

Ye and then next season theyll tune arakara to not be piss easy

[warm vortex]

Sacbrood is probably better for more people than pacemaker

[spice surge]

And people will realize that its a mid dungeon at best

[warm vortex]

Then people will whine

Bro

as long as SV and CoT aren't there

[spice surge]

Just like people hated ruby life pools because it was hard at the start, when it was actually really good

[warm vortex]

Ill be happy

[spice surge]

SV is good too

[warm vortex]

RLP sucks ass

[golden loom]

Arakara first middle and last boss are all ass

[royal lantern]

dungeon good if easy and BiS trinket

otherwhise dungeon bad

[golden loom]

And trash is ass

[spice surge]

case in point people liking shadowmoon burial ground

[iron vapor]

Give me Mythic Scholomance.

[spice surge]

That dungeon is horrendous

[iron vapor]

Give it to me.

[spice surge]

But people liked it because it was easy

[soft shale]

people got scarred of dying to last boss dot

[royal lantern]

ye, shadowmoon was so fucking bad lol

[soft shale]

or tornado from first

time and time and time again

[iron vapor]

Or stratholme dead side

[soft shale]

1 week is all it took

[haughty flicker]

rlp is ok just because of the vdh meme

[warm vortex]

Exactly

Bring back freehold

[golden loom]

Like I swear deadmines would pop off

[viscid spear]

Wailing Caverns
Auchenai Crypts
Return to Karazhan
Court of Stars
Ruby Life Pools
Azjol-Nerub
Freehold
Tazavesh, the Veiled Market

Guess the theme

[warm vortex]

Btw the reason i asked earlier

Was if it includes vanessa

[haughty flicker]

they add these dungeons but list them in the wrong order by accident

[royal lantern]

classic andy with a touch of r/wow?

[haughty flicker]

it spells warcraft

lol

[viscid spear]

[golden loom]

WC for classic choice would be weird for a classic andy

Awful dungeon!

[haughty flicker]

wailing caverns but whether or not you time the key depends on whether everyone makes the jump

[golden loom]

Its joever

[high walrus]

ret paladins gonna fall like flies

[viscid spear]

Well if they did a classic thing where it was 1 dungeon from each previous expansion (meaning no TWW dungeon}, what 10 would you want?

[high walrus]

nvm they can click pony mid-drool

[warm vortex]

"Holy shit dude... like dude... wow was so much better in TBC... now they have all this DEI "body type" bullshit."

"gamers of today would be scared of old wow"

[golden loom]

Well ive only played classic, 10 hours of cata classic and tww, so idk

[viscid spear]

"They put drugs in the Well of Eternity to turn the Elves GAY!"

[golden loom]

You could deffo cook something with the classic dungeons

[warm vortex]

True

The whole season could just be dire maul

literall

[golden loom]

Princess run M+

Dire maul vibes are incredible

So yeah why not

[viscid spear]

You could have 4 dungeons, each split in two.
Blackrock Depths, Dire Maul, Maraudon, Stratholme

[dapper cradle]

Stockades m+ with like a 15 mins timer

[golden loom]

BRD is not that interesting imo

[dapper cradle]

[high walrus]

ZF
MGT
Pit of Saron
Hour of Twilight
skip mop every dungeon there is worse than every other dungeon in the game
Shadowmoon burial grounds
Court of Stars (also arcway because mop skipped lmao)
Freehold
De other side (or tazavesh idk never done it)
Nokhud

[warm vortex]

I would literally

Leak so much love goo

[royal lantern]

literally no classic dungeon is

[warm vortex]

Rocking out with my hogger out

[royal lantern]

they all suck

lol

0 structure

[golden loom]

Disagree

[royal lantern]

just big hallways with auto hitting enemys

very cool

[high walrus]

every classic dungeon is better than every mop dungeon

[warm vortex]

"But dudeeeee blizzard was so good pre activision. Wow died after WoTLK Dude"

[high walrus]

name 1 good mop dungeon

[royal lantern]

atleast make the bait believable

[golden loom]

Mop dungeons are awful

(atleast from playing timewalking)

[royal lantern]

why do we bring up MoP dungeons now lol

[warm vortex]

Imagine TBC dungeons

Just one big circle

[high walrus]

bro folded and couldn't name 1 good mop dungeon

happens

[royal lantern]

no, why did you bring up fucking MoP dungeons

[high walrus]

why did you bring up classic dungeons

[royal lantern]

and just because most MoP dungeons are mediocre at best doesnt mean classic dungeons are good

[golden loom]

Idk classic dungeons are good and feel like dungeons

[high walrus]

why are we here

[royal lantern]

they suck even more lol

[golden loom]

Wont argue

[royal lantern]

literally hallways with nothing happening

[fading wigeon]

is there any shroud tech around the group of mobs before candle boss in darkflmae cleft?

[royal lantern]

like, how is that even supposed to work in m+

[viscid spear]

Shadowfang Keep
Blood Furnace
Pit of Saron
Halls of Origination
Gate of the Setting Sun
Iron Docks
Court of Stars
Waycrest Manor
Plaguefall
Brackenhide Hollow

[golden loom]

I mean what is cinderbrew if not a hallway?

[royal lantern]

you would have to rework so much that its literally a new dungeon at that point

[golden loom]

Retail dungeon design isnt that complex either

[high walrus]

classic hallway 😴
TWW hallway

[haughty flicker]

every dungeon is a hallway

[golden loom]

Yeah

[viscid spear]

Violet Hold

[golden loom]

Its nothing groundbreaking

[haughty flicker]

violet hold is a round hallway

[royal lantern]

it has enemys that do more then "auto attack the tank and 1 guy casts "elemental bolt" or "fear" that you sometimes interupt"

[high walrus]

gnomeregan is my favorite hallway

[royal lantern]

and bosses that are not just upscaled enemys that auto attack the tank

[viscid spear]

[haughty flicker]

ironically violet hold is most spiritually a hallway because theres literally 0 control over how you pull

[royal lantern]

[haughty flicker]

its the ultimate hallway

[dapper cradle]

Kings rest and tol dagor pls

[golden loom]

I mean they change stuff when they bring dungeons into m+ all the time?

[lunar pond]

Wailing caverns is not a hallway

[golden loom]

Changing enemy behavior is the easiest part

[royal lantern]

duh, its a cavern

[lunar pond]

“Caverns”

[haughty flicker]

caverns are just primitive hallways

[high walrus]

they changed every boss when bringing jade serpent temple to m+

you're just assuming they would fix absolutely nothing when porting classic dungeons or what

[viscid spear]

"just add a couple zeroes to their health and damage output"

[royal lantern]

they would have to change soooooo much more cus literally nothing in classic dungeons did anythin at all, its not even the same dungeon at that point

[warm vortex]

aI mean

[lunar pond]

Shadopan could’ve been a better dungeon. The setting is dope, but the channel bullshit is annoying

[golden loom]

Like I wish CoT was a hallway with mobs with 1 spell instead of the abomination it currently is

[warm vortex]

It aschkutally is bcause its the swame place 🤓

[warm vortex]

Also currently

Bro is stuck in season 1

[high walrus]

shado-pan is one of the best looking dungeons but every single mop dungeon requires you to stop and stand still for 10 minutes

[golden loom]

I mean it currently is what it was in s1

[high walrus]

at least you can run and autohit classic bosses

[royal lantern]

i swear, classic andys are legit wired differnt

[golden loom]

Idk I just think its not that deep

[warm vortex]

They should make a 2 boss dungeon that has a 30 min timer cause the last boss has the mechancis of a raid boss

[warm vortex]

It's like genwunners

In pokemon

[high walrus]

they should make new dungeons every day

old dungeon bad

new dungeon good theme

old dungeon autohit ew

[haughty flicker]

crucible of storms m+

[golden loom]

Retail dungeon bosses arent that interesting either that you couldnt modernize older stuff than cata dungeons

[royal lantern]

bait used to be believable

[viscid spear]

"Return to Shadowlands"
Sanctum Sylvanas and Sepulcher Zovaal

[warm vortex]

:(

Also wait

no thats cool

I misremembered as shrine of the storms

[jaunty kayak]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[warm vortex]

and i just wanted to kms

Fucking hell i've never hated being a short race so much

[viscid spear]

Vertically Inclined

[warm vortex]

Acc what are the longest bosses in M+ dungeons?

I rem,ember both so'leah and final one in hollow taking forever

[golden loom]

Like for example Rookery bosses, they all have 3 spells each that they repeat over and over, tell me with a straight face they couldnt give Mauradon bosses the same treatment

[royal lantern]

bro lets do dire maul m+ it would be sick with all those bosses

water elemental that auto hits the tank

satyr that auto hits the tank

other satyr that auto hits the tank

ogre that auto hits the tank

other ogre that auto hits the tank

and elf that auto hits the tank

with all the different trash enemys that auto hit the tank

[warm vortex]

"guys classic was peak"

Seriously

[royal lantern]

not saying its bad, its a different game

[viscid spear]

[warm vortex]

Even ignoring the mold, maggot eating, cockroach coated, politcal asmongold

Like

He is the prime example of braindamaged classic andy

[royal lantern]

but it literally doesnt work in a setting where people expect enemys to like

actually DO stuff

[warm vortex]

If anyone comes at me and says the introdution of lfr was unhealthy for the game

[viscid spear]

No one should ever listen to a Chosen One of Grandfather Nurgle anyway

[golden loom]

Idk I think its a dumb take but whatever

[warm vortex]

I'm instantly never taking that person seriously

[royal lantern]

and if you rework everything so much that it actually meets modern standarts at all, you basically made a new dungeon

[golden loom]

Like dungeon bosses in any version of the game is far from good design

They are all mid at best

[royal lantern]

they DO stuff and you have to DO something

[warm vortex]

But it still has the theming, and loot as the old dungeon

[royal lantern]

thats the big difference

[solid pilot]

Lets be cancerous

[viscid spear]

Which is weird because the raid bosses this expac have been pretty good mechanically

[royal lantern]

you dont just have the tank do their basic deffensive maintenance, healer healing the tank and 3 dps afk hitting the enemy

[solid pilot]

from Legion - Seat of Triumvirate
from SL - Sanguine Depths

[royal lantern]

bro, seat will be next season

200%

blizz is do deep up their ass, they gonna do it

[solid pilot]

cant wait

[viscid spear]

I have personal reasons for never wanting to set foot in Sanguine Depths ever again

[solid pilot]

1m m+

[golden loom]

Okay but the satyr also sacrifices a random party member, now we are on the same scale as a retail dungeon boss

[royal lantern]

they showed us allready the etheral stuff

seat is the etheral dungeon

they WILL do seat, say big that they "fix its problems" and fix nothing at all

100%

[solid pilot]

you got a point mister

[golden loom]

Like actually tell me 1 good dungeon boss

[solid pilot]

and in twilight, new race

[golden loom]

And if it does more than 3 things on a cycle I would be surprised

[solid pilot]

if we followe their current release of new class/hero class/race

[viscid spear]

Just take any Classic dungeon and replace every mob with an ethereal

[warm vortex]

or they could add that one etherial dungeon from TBC

[royal lantern]

Blazikon has a shitton of optimisation in higher dungeons because you directly controll the way the group takes dmg, jst imediatly ot of my head

from this season

• pokemon name

[haughty flicker]

i mean yeah dungeon bosses arent as complex as raid bosses is this news

[solid pilot]

Tho I dont think Seat will be as hard as it was with Legion afixes

[golden loom]

Yeah exactly

[haughty flicker]

also blazikon is definitely a pokemon name now that you mention it

[solid pilot]

nah, it will be

who am I kidding

[solid pilot]

pug destroyer

[solid pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-bird-funny-song-gif-4392525

[golden loom]

Idk I just think reducing classic stuff cause "ohh old content it cant be interesting" when idk nothing really is that complex

Game is easy I guess

[solid pilot]

tbh they proved

they can make old content fun

brd was actually

decent

[golden loom]

Everything is an NPC designed to lose

[solid pilot]

exactly

[royal lantern]

i rather have them doing new stuff from ground up instead of endlessly riding the REMEMBER THIS OLD THING???? wave all the time and waste resources on it which often makes nobody happy in the end

[haughty flicker]

i mean hes not wrong in saying they'd have to make so many changes to the bosses that they would be different bosses with the same model

[royal lantern]

when they have to make up so much new stuff for the old things anyway

[solid pilot]

I get your point

[haughty flicker]

but also they already have shown they're fine doing that so

[high walrus]

surely... they wouldn't... rework the abilities and keep the theme of the dungeon

[golden loom]

I mean dont they bring back 4 old dungeons every season?

[old thistle]

remember the no changes crowd

[solid pilot]

but on the other hand, there are some instances, places that were either barely touched

[old thistle]

yep

[royal lantern]

grim batol was allready like that, the "new" GB has nearly 0 to do with the original GB except the dragon section lol

[solid pilot]

actually Cata

[royal lantern]

everything was replaced

[solid pilot]

and behind those

its stupid

[high walrus]

so why the fuck do you think they would 1:1 port classic dungeons

[solid pilot]

from MoP

[high walrus]

I'm sure the 1 cata fan was stoked

to see that awful dungeon come back

[solid pilot]

the pool should be from MoP since it was first exp to introduce Challenge modes, which worked simmilar

proto-M+

🤣

[high walrus]

you keep arguing against yourself talking about how classic dungeons didn't have abilities, no shit, that's why they would update them exactly like they did with grim batol

[solid pilot]

Legion actually is waste not using the dungeons

[royal lantern]

why do we need a port of them then

do we need to ride the nostalgia wave all the time like that? they allready dickride it all the time to a stupid degree

20year event being reduced to REMEMBER T2 SET AND BRD???? was allready kinda stupid

[golden loom]

Like would you actually want necrotic wake brought back instead of giving a classic dungeon a m+ rework?

[runic hinge]

Grim batol sucked

Don’t bring old shit back

[solid pilot]

depends on the dungeon

[golden loom]

Well arent they steadfast on 4 dungeons per season being old

So why not try some stuff

[high walrus]

it's dungeons that have existed for 20 years, why would they not remake them for m+ at this point

[solid pilot]

only Scarlet Monaster comes to mind

[high walrus]

it's not even nostalgia related

[solid pilot]

but it has been reworked

and they would need to basicly do a complete makeover

to most classic dungeons

[high walrus]

imagine they just slap in kara crypts from sod in m+

enjoy

[solid pilot]

that is a new dungeon

but yes

[high walrus]

yeah unrelated to what you just said

[solid pilot]

well not necessary

it was in game back then

just not populated

[golden loom]

I mean currently it seems most mobs in m+ do like 1 or 2 things anyways

[solid pilot]

and scripted

[solid pilot]

current ai of enemy npcs

is way ahead

[high walrus]

okay but when the TWW dungeon mob shoots a random target it's hype

[solid pilot]

;p

[golden loom]

Like what do the paladins in priory do other than concecrarion/divine toll

[high walrus]

when the gnomergan gunner shoots a random target it's cringe

[solid pilot]

the problem with classic m+ is quite simple

[royal lantern]

they are togheter with priests that do casts that need to be interupted or divine tool will kill players

[golden loom]

That would be implemented anyway right?

[solid pilot]

the dungeons were designed to create an adventure

[royal lantern]

there is literally stuff going on

[solid pilot]

yup

[royal lantern]

thats the point

[solid pilot]

yup

and some mobs

from what I noticed

[golden loom]

Okay I mean have like a ZF pack with blooddrinkers and shadow hunters

[high walrus]

is wod the breakpoint for >new wow

[solid pilot]

have target set on suport players

etc etc

while in classic, random is random

[long pollen]

off topic to current discussion but: Should I be using the poison that reduces mob damage or the one that reduces cast/attack speed in M+?

[golden loom]

They heal / hex / nuke you idk

[solid pilot]

and as I was saying

those dungeons were really long

[royal lantern]

first room in rookery has so much more shit going on then everything classic mobs did in all dungeons combined

you have unavoidable dmg casts on players, group dmg channels, aoe ground effects mixed with casts, and you have to controll and react to stuff so you dont die

classic was literally always just "auto hit tank" or "does 1 cast and then auto hits the tank when interpted"

[solid pilot]

the design of place is out of date, lot of work

[solid pilot]

exactly that

[royal lantern]

always mindnumbing unless you do such giga high keys where you cope that 3% less enemy dmg will make you survive unavoidable stuff with 1% hp

[high walrus]

who are you arguing with, not one person disagrees that classic dungeon mobs didn't do anything

[solid pilot]

they even proved that classic/vanilla was turbo easy

but when they started adding random skills that were added in other expansions

[royal lantern]

mindnumbing reduces tank dmg by a big degree (cus big part of tank dmg is melee hits from mobs) and makes interupting more easy cus of the slightly longer cast time, so it gives more room

[solid pilot]

game actually started to take shape

[golden loom]

Yeah I mean the point is that it wouldnt be hard to upscale stuff

[solid pilot]

and the hard mode or lets call it mythic

might be challenging in it own right

[golden loom]

Because idk the current game is not that complex either

[long pollen]

Thanks!

[solid pilot]

game was never that super complex

[golden loom]

Ye

[solid pilot]

tho it had a lot of math around it

since blizzard didnt know what he wanted

[royal lantern]

all those talents with many words that sound complicated, and the end result is "get 5+ cp fast and press envenom"

[solid pilot]

player base made rotations

[solid pilot]

yup

but actually

we're talking overall now

wow as a whole

[golden loom]

Like if the mobs in dungeons were actually complex, would you see pulls of 10 billion mobs

[solid pilot]

Now I wonder

since when I played sod a bit (easy max lvl + free epigz)

there were some players from retail, might be dissapointed

or who knows what

[keen spruce]

E-pigs u mean tryan’s only fans?

[royal lantern]

we allready dont really cus blizz doesnt like big pulls and often desinges around them

the reaction is the giga aoe cc spam meta we have

[solid pilot]

but most of them werent so good

[keen spruce]

[dapper cradle]

M+ but instead of npcs its LatAm players

[haughty flicker]

[solid pilot]

didnt they start nerfing big pulls since BFA ?

[keen spruce]

[solid pilot]

not counting Legion cause of Teeming

[golden loom]

I mean you still pull big

Idk

[high walrus]

the change to how stops work

[haughty flicker]

not even remotely as big as you used to

[solid pilot]

which actually made players do obnoxious pulls

[keen spruce]

The stops change made m+ kinda stinky

[solid pilot]

hated Teeming Black rook...

[royal lantern]

legion was legit ff14 wall2wall pulls tbh

[solid pilot]

yup

[golden loom]

I mean if you pull the entire dungeon in one pull, wouldnt that be a bigger issue?

[solid pilot]

you barely had any space to rest

[keen spruce]

BFA too

[royal lantern]

tank threat multiplication was like, x40 during legion, so they only had to touch enemys once and never lost aggro at all

so the play was

[solid pilot]

you had no seasonal afix

[royal lantern]

tank touches enemys once->run away

[solid pilot]

to buff you

[royal lantern]

and enemys just always followed the tank

[solid pilot]

you had shit tons of affixes

oh remember Skittish ?

[royal lantern]

BfA was where they reduced the tank aggro so they actually have to fight them to keep aggro, and made enemys target everyone more often

[solid pilot]

in legion tanks didnt have so easy with threat

[royal lantern]

you mean the free affix that did literally nothing at all

[solid pilot]

and adding skittish was insane

early on ?

warriors

[high walrus]

arcway skittish

[solid pilot]

losing threat xD

[royal lantern]

skittish was just "wait until the tank did 2 aoe abilitys"

[solid pilot]

later they nerfed it

a bit

[royal lantern]

just dont go full monke mode blasting instantly

[solid pilot]

yup

enter DH

fel rush

vault

dead

but my least favourite

was Teeming, not only like 20-30% more adds to kill

and less % to get per pack

[keen spruce]

Member infested waycrest where ghunnies would fall through the floor and pull the whole dungeon on the first pull

[royal lantern]

counter argument: ghuunies where kinda cute

[keen spruce]

If they weren’t so buggy they woulda been fine

Or if they weren’t so damn fast

[brisk vapor]

With house of cards lasting 15 seconds and KB lasting 14. Seems like manually delaying HOC for a sec instead of baking it into DM is the way. Otherwise KB pop might not be buffed. Anybody else tracking this?

[solid pilot]

but still

I miss afixes

like really

[royal lantern]

fuck no

lol

[keen spruce]

I don’t

[royal lantern]

affixes where horrible for everyone that actually cared about m+

[solid pilot]

im in to bdsm

it seems

xD

[royal lantern]

current solution is the best

[keen spruce]

Affix setup gud rn. They just need to revert threat and stop change

[solid pilot]

i just hope they dont made something akin to s2 SL

[keen spruce]

Reward coordination on giga pulls

[royal lantern]

affixes on low keys where nothing matters anyway for all the weirdos that act as if they added anything to the game

and gone in higher key levels for the pushers

[keen spruce]

Let’s tanks go buck wild

[solid pilot]

amt its like s3 SL

but the afix comes to you

its predictable

which also is fine

[viscid spear]

How about a Violet Hold dungeon but the encounters are the Mage Tower challenges?

[royal lantern]

if you care about m+, there is no affix

thats the poin

[keen spruce]

Most if not all affixes are lame af

[royal lantern]

cus people that play m+ seriously hated them

cus you just waited half a season for a push week

[solid pilot]

well I just hope than

blizz do care for us

[keen spruce]

There’s nothing rewarding about them. It’s just a layer of added annoyance

[solid pilot]

and dont bring the most hated

and basicly stupid m+

[keen spruce]

And / or killing entire weeks of pushing

[solid pilot]

Sanguine are prime example

long, mundane dung

[royal lantern]

they literally solved affixes with tww, idk what more you want

[lavish wing]

Let me guess, u never played pvp 🤣

[solid pilot]

which can fuck you up at the end

[solid pilot]

Sadly i did

it was sarcasm, its hard to get it while typing and i didnt also leave any leads ;p

my bad

I quit pvp after mop

[lavish wing]

No i got it, thats why i used pvp as the prime example of blizz bot giving af

Not*

[solid pilot]

hey ! they learned

how to buff pve

and not buff pvp at same time

see they learnin

🤣

[lavish wing]

For me the end of pvp was 8.3

[solid pilot]

If I remember corectly

there was a nerf to rogue

[lavish wing]

Corruption gear

[royal lantern]

they dont give a fuck about pvp because nobody plays pvp

simple as that

[solid pilot]

only coz in pvp it was fuckin broken, cant remember what it was

[solid pilot]

those 50 teams

that they put on arena streams

https://tenor.com/view/kappa-turkishedits-twitch-twitch-emote-emote-gif-19815447

even in Legion

pvp was fun to watch

well, mostly

[lavish wing]

Cause its like a snowball, they dont care about pvp hence less ppl in pvp which causes em to care even less etc 😆

[royal lantern]

eh, not really

[solid pilot]

besides if ppl want to play pvp

[hidden bay]

so many upgrades to farm in m+

[solid pilot]

there are better games with that aspect

or so I heard

[royal lantern]

a big part is simply

wow was never build with pvp in mind + people realised over the years that they can just play a actually fullblown pvp game if they want pvp

[solid pilot]

what @royal lantern said

[royal lantern]

and mmo pvp tends to always be kinda shity aswell

which also more people realised after a while

[keen spruce]

Flying mounts killed world PvP

[solid pilot]

it was part of the game, coz you know horde vs alliance

[keen spruce]

Which wasn’t even really world PvP

It was just tanking

Ganking

[solid pilot]

world pvp ended in tbc

hey

it was part of the game

[royal lantern]

not really, cus the game was not even supposed to HAVE pvp in the first place

[solid pilot]

the flavour

[royal lantern]

pvp was added very rushed shortly before release

[solid pilot]

ah that I didnt know actually

[haughty flicker]

world pvp = me sitting at a rare to kill someone who tries to solo it

[solid pilot]

I started playing let me check

[keen spruce]

I was partial to hanging out in STV as a rogue

[lavish wing]

World pvp was nice in 8.1

[solid pilot]

something between BWL

but I know battlegrounds were later

[keen spruce]

And murdering people walking into their first contested area

[solid pilot]

or I think so, correct me

[keen spruce]

[solid pilot]

if im wrong

[royal lantern]

some devs got hooked on DAoC, which was a pvp focused MMO, and said "yo, why not let us add pvp aswell?"

and that was not long before the launch

the game was not supposed to have pvp in the first place

[solid pilot]

I remember watching first shots of wow

I thought it was made in map editor

tho I have to say, pretty powerfull tool

like really

[lavish wing]

I mean sure all that but we cant ignore that pvp was fckin awesome on tbc and wotlk

[solid pilot]

wotlk yes

but not all classes were cool to watch

[lavish wing]

I like tbc, maybe even slightly more

[solid pilot]

and DK's were basicly op

tbc is my favourite expansion

[royal lantern]

also a mixed thing

pvp was "bigger" back then because it was more or less the only thing you could do bettwen raids

like, reminder that wow during vanilla/tbc/wotlk was "quest until you reach max level->log in for raids"

[lavish wing]

Tbc pvp*

[royal lantern]

and pvp was legit the only thing you couuld do outside of it

[solid pilot]

you could farm badges

[keen spruce]

You were also not level capped a lot longer in vanilla

[solid pilot]

🤣

[royal lantern]

it was either pvp or do proffesion stuff/rep grinding (and rep grinding had a end)

[runic hinge]

[keen spruce]

So you were just mindlessly grinding or questing

And PvP made it fun to break things up

[solid pilot]

it was a thing

[keen spruce]

[solid pilot]

gold was scarce

raids were expensive

[lavish wing]

U guys never farmed Kara rep for arrows 🤣

[solid pilot]

epic fly mount was expensive xD

[royal lantern]

no cus i was a based rogue even back then

[solid pilot]

SAME

caps

[lavish wing]

I had a hunt alt

[keen spruce]

No one raided in vanilla

[lavish wing]

Rogue was main ofc

[keen spruce]

We were all like lv 34 corpses

Floor pov in stv and tanaris

[lavish wing]

Remember farming BT rep for ashtongue deathsworn, had awesome crit trinket for rogue

[royal lantern]

@lavish wing the "truth" is really not only that blizz" dropped pvp", its really in big parts that people just....started playing actuall pvp games

League of Legends became playable during late WotLK and was a actuall PvP focused game everyone could play cus it was F2P, and a HUGE amount of PvP focused guys jumped to it

league actually played a bigger part in the "late wotlk player drop" btw

[solid pilot]

@lavish wing btw, you said you like tbc

[royal lantern]

and getting more onnline games in general

[lavish wing]

I did, it my first expac

[solid pilot]

power of duron 800

21 fps, and i didnt even said anything was bad

and the ping 162, it was a god damn eu server 😂

[royal lantern]

wow for a long time was the only bigger accesiable onnline game for most people, and during the end 2000's/start of the 2010's we got more and more competition and other options, and people just started to play them, espacially if they offered a better experience in something they wanted (like better pvp)

[solid pilot]

tbh Naxrammas started it

or atlest developers got an idea

or a vision and in which direction should the game go

[royal lantern]

like, a big part why people remember "everyone was talking so much back in the dayzzzzzz!!!" is kinda true

people talked more, because wow was basically a chat room for them in a world without social media, so chatting with people onnline was actually something they could only do in wow

[humble verge]

hmmm tryna think what to craft

[royal lantern]

neck?

stat distribution and stuff

[humble verge]

probably but

[lavish wing]

And u were realm bound so ppl would actually know players, guilds ..

[royal lantern]

1 of those slots you can always kinda do something with a crafted item

[humble verge]

but then i have 0 vers

lmao

tho idk

[royal lantern]

just sim with different combinations?

[solid pilot]

yes

[humble verge]

yeah that was my thought but idk

[rotund oak]

the wpns dont fit the mog

[humble verge]

ill see what i do

[royal lantern]

btw 0 vers is funny when my priory trinket could give me vers a couple days ago

[solid pilot]

we were actually competing on realm level

[royal lantern]

[humble verge]

neither did you, but your mother still had you

[solid pilot]

many of those tbc guilds on my server

[rotund oak]

blame my father for doing her

[solid pilot]

went and existed (not only on copium) up till MoP

[rotund oak]

i had nothing to do with it

[solid pilot]

But we kinda forgot about the Main subject of this whole conversation

Classic dungs are not designed for m+, so are all the dungs from vanilla up to cataclysm (besides those that were remaked in mop etc etc)

It might be lazy design, true

but also, recycling something that didnt get enough time to show its potential etc which can be good

and refreshing

You, me and couple other players

we saw it etc

but blizz is targeting now other type of client,

the game is more and more accesible to a player that basicly drools all over himself

and picks his nose

[royal lantern]

vanilla was basically a sandbox with at best some ROUGH ideas

TBC was the "realised" version of that vission, everything was actually playable to some degree and with its own niche in some way

WotLK is where the "modern" wow basically started

[solid pilot]

100% agree

[royal lantern]

its why vanilla/TBC feel so different to everythign else

[solid pilot]

Wotlk was, whats the word

[royal lantern]

WotLK was the ultra early alpha version of what people call Retail wow

[solid pilot]

wasnt it that time when Elitist jerks flourished ?

[runic hinge]

Wow is good. Wish I had more time to play

[solid pilot]

no one is saying its bad

or anything

[haughty flicker]

i am

wow is badge

also that link isnt sussy at all

[solid pilot]

show of

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor bot spamm

[solid pilot]

ofc it is

[royal lantern]

pls delete

[solid pilot]

why every time I come look something up herte

[royal lantern]

🫡

[solid pilot]

there is always an interesting convo

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[turbid crest]

so actually we play double vanish and not lethality ?

[solid pilot]

in m+ ?

[turbid crest]

y

[solid pilot]

yes

[turbid crest]

wanna joke ?

see

ur ass is getting carryed and u have ego imagine

hunter bm like

[solid pilot]

I imagine

had the same tooday

he won the fuckin trinket

"Well deserved"

i wasnt angry

dissapointed

[turbid crest]

idk why ppl get

offensed

when they are shiet

i mean ur shiet its all g my g

[solid pilot]

I actually tryed my best

would've been easy +2

was barely +1

[turbid crest]

so double vanish

better than lethality

as dps

?

so tank can connect ?

and we still aoe spread dot

[solid pilot]

would have to check, \

[distant plinth]

Yea so u get more IC

[turbid crest]

ic ?

[solid pilot]

carnage

[turbid crest]

carnage ?

can u show it

pls

?

[solid pilot]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=381802/indiscriminate-carnage

[fleet pagoda]

depends on how you allocate vanish. but on particularly challenging pulls and with iron wire it's great

[solid pilot]

yup

thats the one

[solid pilot]

well tbh we might aswell consider every pull challenging in pug situation

its only half true ;p

im still stingy about most dh/pallys

[distant plinth]

I mean, if you want to be giga chad CC king play ironwire. If not play without

[fleet pagoda]

well it's a rated system so that doesn't speak well for us

[solid pilot]

that skyrocketed in rio and they actually should have been around m+ 5

[fleet pagoda]

"these guys i'm playing with at my .io level suck!"

[solid pilot]

yup

tho coin do have 2 sides

this season actually shows how too many buffs may end up

[fleet pagoda]

i do suck

[solid pilot]

I dont

I lick

why cant I finish such a simple thing

as finish cleaing up my ui

[turbid crest]

the rota didnt change btw ?

on big pull like

cinderbrew first

embush , garot x2 rupture x2

then crimson Deathmark blablabla

and st rota ?

or u vanish and keep spreading

[solid pilot]

5 rups are important

[celest helm]

Depends on your preference and how long the pack will live. In 99% of key levels the normal rotation is prob more than enough just get 5 ruptures and CT up asap

[solid pilot]

rest, well

it depends on the situation

[brisk vapor]

Would macroing House of Cards into DM, make it difficult to cover the final tick of KB?

[dawn seal]

guys please help me

I am very confused about the gear I have

its not a sim angle

[turbid crest]

show

[dawn seal]

showing

[spice surge]

Doesnt matter

[dawn seal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qSK25KGBFbG1WPufHFcKeD this my current items

what do I craft

[solid pilot]

doesnt matter

[turbid crest]

were agree to say , we play x2 vanish , so we save

[dawn seal]

for doubling the embelishment

[turbid crest]

1 on deathmark

for proc master assain ?

and other if tank connect like **

[dawn seal]

I have a hero chest piece but I am waitin for a head or hands item to make 4 piece

mosto f my items are also hero D:

[solid pilot]

If you want to craft

check which slot is considered best in this season

if you dont have any embe from s1

if you do and its not in tier slot

[dawn seal]

its feet I see from the gudie but my feet gear is hero with crit mastery

[brisk vapor]

What's the logic, just not a big enough gain to make the micromanagement worth?

[solid pilot]

just recraft to max lvl with nerubian

[solid pilot]

you use the trinket

only with DM

[spice surge]

The last tick of KB doesnt do that much damage anymore

Its within margin in simc, ie the sim cant tell them apart

[brisk vapor]

gotchhhaa, thats where I was goin wrong then. Thinking about that big final pop. Thank you

[solid pilot]

now I remember why I didnt like Asa before, Exsanguinite

[limber lion]

Exsang bis

[solid pilot]

not the og one

[haughty flicker]

we need exsang back

[lavish wing]

Lmao

[solid pilot]

the fucked up one

we got later

[haughty flicker]

[solid pilot]

damn cant remember how it went

[hollow river]

You could craft cloak or bracers, etc. don’t think it’ll be much different either way tho

[runic hinge]

i hardly know-er

[dawn seal]

hm

[runic hinge]

we need SL S3 back with vendetta exsang and 1 min vendetta and ct in ST

[solid pilot]

I miss vendetta

[haughty flicker]

just make exsang into engulf from flameshaper dev

actually dont do that its a dumb idea

i regret saying it

[coral ibex]

got the pacemaker from flood

but do i spend 30 gilded to max it for 5k more dps?

[solid pilot]

Imagine blizz being the always fair and wanting equal rights between specas

Specs*

Gave sin finisher like KS/DfA

And said its perfectly fine

Etc etc

[haughty flicker]

WAIT

i take it back

[solid pilot]

Tho i wonder if at any point od developing death from above

[haughty flicker]

exsang into engulf is a great idea

the burst when dm doubles our bleeds

[solid pilot]

Yup

[haughty flicker]

[solid pilot]

Insane

[runic hinge]

dont forget to exsang your dm

[haughty flicker]

ok but with engulfsang it would be cool

[solid pilot]

I wonder if they gonna add more talents to the trees

Or more to hero spec

[haughty flicker]

in midnight hero talents get hero talents

[solid pilot]

Deathstalker stalker

God i hate spring

[humble verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dAy5CvAqETzYWSi1jcycJs looks like neck

for a small upgrade

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lavish wing]

Trickstalker

[solid pilot]

Fatestalkertrick

[dawn heath]

i hate this spec

u get g riefed by your raid

tanks? position the boss 500 yards from bike wont spatter ? adds in intermission RING OF PEACE AWAY THE MOBS MASS ROOT THEM TYPHOON

fucking hell man

i dont like beeing a slave to our dumb tanks positioning

[viscid spear]

6 minutes over

[haughty flicker]

f

[viscid spear]

Had a barrel explode before I'pa, then a wipe on a pull just inside Benk's room

My first attempt at a 10, I could do better

I still have some Champion pieces, but I did get the belt out of there so that's one less

Also I had Eye equipped

[solid pilot]

happens

yesterday on flood

when tank chose the route from behind to mid

i pulled with my big fat ass while in stealth

forgot that eye monsters

aggro faster

[high walrus]

anyone know if wow cares whatsoever about your GPU or if it's just completely CPU dependant

no joke playing with like 8 fps in 25 man raid content

[haughty flicker]

its a lot more cpu heavy than gpu

[viscid spear]

I honestly didn't know there was a thing where bees spawn from a honey globlet as you enter Benk's room

We wiped on that pull, I felt responsible

[solid pilot]

well cinder is specific dung

[high walrus]

I still have a 1080 and I'm glancing over at my 2nd screen and gpu usage is at like 20% when I'm on 10 fps

[solid pilot]

cpu

I have 6700xt

and before changing proc

(minimal upgrade)

i had like real spikes

on mythics

even in dornagal

changed proc to 5700x3d

since I missed the 5800

and bam

problem solved

avarage of 160fps

[high walrus]

my wow completely freezes like once every 2 hours in M+ but I think it's unrelated to hardware

it's just insanely bad fps

[solid pilot]

freezes?

and unfreezes ye?

do you play any other games also ?

[high walrus]

yeah, doesn't happen in any other game

[solid pilot]

hmm