assassination

[spice spire]

He’s actually doing an rh onlyfeet account

[royal lantern]

ahead of his time

he saw TWW comming

[silver escarp]

what's the logic here? XDD

(same items)

[royal lantern]

none, is 1,5k dmg while we do millions of dps

its margin of error

1,5k is less then nothing

[gusty mirage]

1.5k?

who taught you how to math

that's less than 1200

[silver escarp]

Yea i get that, it was just funny they showed 2 different numbers for the same set up

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

They’re both within margin

[royal lantern]

bro i saw numbers and just went trought it quick

[gusty mirage]

lmfao

[royal lantern]

and i was REALLY bad at math ok

[spice spire]

We’re doing 2m

[gusty mirage]

one day tryan is going to stab me

and I deserve it

[royal lantern]

nah, aint stabbing anyone

[spice spire]

But also assuming magnet first and then priory during the 30s window seems cursed

[spice surge]

It doesnt do that, it knows to use the priory first

Robot is smart 🤖

(atleast sometimes)

[silver escarp]

It's just the order in my gear

[spice spire]

Yeah usually first trinket indicates first on use

Unless there’s specific lines in the apl (like there was with mandate)

Then it doesn’t matter

Either way

Both within margin

[spice surge]

But for a more detailed answer. Raidbots doesnt do millions of attempts at calculating stuff, it does however many it needs to reach a certain threshold where its pretty confident with the right results. The margin of error is how much this error can be

[crisp tinsel]

if i have combo points when i enter a new pull can i rupture before garrote? or should i always go ambush into garrote?

[royal lantern]

ofc you can

you shold avoid using ambush in m+ if you have darkest night ready

[spice surge]

Like in theory you could run a sim that takes 100x as long and get the result that those combos are exactly equal. But the way its done means you get pretty much the right answer but its significantly faster

[crisp tinsel]

i see thanks

[spice surge]

Generally anything within 0.1% or even 0.2% is considered pretty much margin of error and effectively the same

[pure moth]

Or answering the same question 10 times within 5 minutes.

[keen spruce]

Ye I’ll grab it when I get home

Check google drive you might still have it if you ever clicked the link

[sullen hollow]

i want that to

the powerpoint

present it to guild

[static glacier]

which is used first / 2nd

is normally what dictates differences in trinket slots for double on use in sims

if its not double on use them its just margin of error

[balmy condor]

We have to hardcode trinkets in, especially stuff like magnet

So the slot rarely actually matters tbh

1200 dps is just raw margin

It’s playing them the same

[storm hedge]

Wtf? My ambush bugged out. The spell stays as ambush even out of stealth?

[balmy condor]

relog

[warm vortex]

Omg it’s whisp

[grand trail]

man 7min sim is so chill

[storm hedge]

thanks that helped.

[static glacier]

there should be a caveat

[sullen hollow]

what are you doing simming assa bruh

[static glacier]

that seaforium falls off a bit if you delay cds for w/e reason

since it wont align with kb

[storm hedge]

Reload didn't tho

[grand trail]

took signet from vault

[sullen hollow]

[grand trail]

just to be beten by random double passive trinkets 😄

[sullen hollow]

think you should consider uptime too

[balmy condor]

It’s not getting beaten

[sullen hollow]

because signet is in your cds where you are constantly hitting les boss

[grand trail]

oh yeah its just fuuny

[sullen hollow]

are you playing assa on our reclear tonight

[grand trail]

yeah

[sullen hollow]

nice

[grand trail]

trying to fifure out some gear

need 3rd craft for the wirthing shit for ascendance

[sullen hollow]

you already sim more than me

[grand trail]

tahts not 5min sim

[sullen hollow]

oh true

how does 5min look

[grand trail]

little better 😄

[sullen hollow]

[onyx gyro]

when should I be using fan of knives vs mutilate in AoE per number of targets?

[static glacier]

depends on talents

[onyx gyro]

im runiing wowhead mplus build

[static glacier]

depends if it's hybrid or bleed

but it will be on 2 or 3

depending if you have blindside or not

[onyx gyro]

aoe is getting so complicated

[static glacier]

sin aoe hasn't been simple since the rework tbh

[distant plinth]

well, its not a chain lightning spam spec sooo

[amber stream]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[onyx gyro]

lol

touche

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna be real

fok target count might be the hardest thing on this spec

[spice spire]

@balmy condor forgot to ask and I’m sure this is also dumb. The 6cp moving to fok I assume is dead in raid with double VV? Or is that even more reason to fok (energy consumption)

[golden loom]

this right here is harder than sin aoe, dont @ me

[balmy condor]

It’s equal, sims still do it out of posterity and so I don’t have to mull over all the shit

[livid marlin]

First time rogue raid, okay so far 🙂

[spice spire]

That’s fair

Someone asked and I wasn’t sure! Good to know it’s equal and Ty bbgirl

[livid marlin]

struggled on oab,

[spice spire]

Good job big dog

Great first time parses

[balmy condor]

You never butter my biscuit like that quake

What happened to us

[static glacier]

put the overpower in the bag

[spice spire]

Comcast happened king

[static glacier]

tell him his biscuit will remain dry

[spice spire]

Ass master but not rogue indeed

Also I literally just said “ty bbgirl” what do you want from me

[balmy condor]

I have a technician coming within the hour buddy I’m a certified manslut for Internet technicians

[hardy rapids]

You’re a master of this spec everything easy for you

[spice spire]

You glucking or

[balmy condor]

I mean I see people struggling

But like

[static glacier]

we're approaching ret levels

[balmy condor]

98% of the reason why they’re struggling is cause they fucking overthink everything

[static glacier]

with this patch in raid ngl

no vanish no fok

[hardy rapids]

I agree. It’s a super overwhelming spec on paper. In practice it’s so much easier

[balmy condor]

The moment people stop pretending like the spec is a nuclear fission reactor

It’s so braindead easy

[spice spire]

Dog last night raid was absolutely dumpstering my pc for no reason

It was like week one Tuesday again

[balmy condor]

Convincing them it’s braindead easy might actually be harder than assa now that I think about it

I’ve had some stubborn people

[indigo mulch]

But isen't that in the eye of the person that actually plays the spec?

Some people might find assassination super hard

[static glacier]

issue is sisn is relatively complex in m+, but in raid it's gota be bottom 5 easiest specs

[indigo mulch]

While other people find it extremly easy

[static glacier]

meanwhile im out here 🙂

[spice spire]

Ease is subjective

[spice surge]

Whispyrs point is that people find it hard because theyre thinking and playing around a ton of stuff that literally doesnt matter

So if they just didnt, it would be easy for them

[spice spire]

But in raid it’s absolutely one of the easiest specs

[haughty flicker]

ngl if you find current assassination hard you might struggle playing even bm

[spice spire]

On the spectrum

[spice spire]

BM actually has a no CD build currently 🙂

Removing more buttons (it adds another)

[static glacier]

lowkey

[nova shadow]

I think playing assa average and slightly above average is fairly easy but optimizing is not as easy

[static glacier]

maybe its time for no cd bleed build sin

[indigo mulch]

I always prefered "easier" specs hence why i gravitated towards assassination. The less i have to overload my single brain cell with rotational crap the more it can focus on things like mechanics that actually matters.

[spice surge]

Theres nothing to optimize

[spice spire]

Dry shiv bbgirl

[spice surge]

Fair enough

thats one

[spice spire]

That’s the singular

Yeah

Outside of that

[indigo mulch]

Is that really optimization? 😮 Isen't that just rotation at this point?

[spice spire]

It’s nothing

[nova shadow]

Like as a new assa player I always fuck up these blue points on st build resulting in dmg loss also in m+ newer players also might fok and miss envenoms

[spice surge]

Wdym fuck up the blue points

You dont do anything with them

[final phoenix]

you cant fuck up anymore

[spice spire]

Yes because it isn’t a set point as seal fate or where you’re at in your cycle changes a bit

[spice surge]

You play exactly like regular

[spice spire]

It’s not rotational in the fact that you’ll always shiv x time stamp

Ideally

[nova shadow]

I have 2 points and I still go up to 7 cp which means I'm waisting one multilate

[spice surge]

No

[final phoenix]

the only real place you can mess up is with shiv

[spice surge]

This is exactly what whispyr is talking about

[indigo mulch]

Ah, fair. I've been playing assassination for so long that it just bleeds into "rotation" i guess.

[nova shadow]

Also my kingsbane is never the 2nd dps spell as it supossed to be for st

[gritty laurel]

but what if the enemy is at 54.8% life and i have zoldyck specces and i have 14.2% haste and rupture is in pandemic and i have clear the witnesses, do i still cast slice and dice?

[haughty flicker]

you literally ignore supercharger

it does not change finisher rules

whatsoever

5 normally, 7 for dn

[spice spire]

Going to kiss you on the lips

[haughty flicker]

with or without supercharger

[final phoenix]

you dont cast slice and dice

[spice spire]

They’re trolling

[final phoenix]

making sure ;o

[indigo mulch]

Dosen't the 2 supercharger points we get matters during dry shiv?

[final phoenix]

there are new people

[gritty laurel]

i appreciate you being helpful, Dave

[spice spire]

Well you’re always shiving before dn for the dry shiv

So technically

No

[haughty flicker]

its part of why dry shiv is strong but it doesnt effect the gameplay at all

[indigo mulch]

[balmy condor]

What’s dn

[spice spire]

Dreadnought

[balmy condor]

oh ok

[haughty flicker]

denmark

[spice spire]

I’m a warrior main now

[warm vortex]

What spec

Quake

I’ll judge you heavily

[spice spire]

Prot/Arms

I do not play fury

[livid marlin]

well that ruined my chance of a parse

[warm vortex]

Good boy

[livid marlin]

got frozen

[spice spire]

Also that’s just my alt

[indigo mulch]

I've always just made sure i had a supercharger point to spend on DN during dry shiv. That's it 😒

[livid marlin]

and no one helped

[balmy condor]

you have a bait in 3.5 seconds

[warm vortex]

“Pick up ya teeth*

[final phoenix]

tbh im about to pick my enh shaman back up, now that my wrist healed from last season's shaman spamming

[livid marlin]

i've never got the mechanic, thought it was a tank mechanic

[balmy condor]

YIPPIE MY TURN WITH THE BAD UPDATE

[livid marlin]

annoying 😦

[warm vortex]

Imagine not gapping everyone on every pull

[spice spire]

Prot is definitely a duality of APM

[warm vortex]

The frozen?

[spice spire]

With sin

[livid marlin]

yes

[warm vortex]

You have to LoS it with a rock wall

[final phoenix]

i play sin to heal my hand

[livid marlin]

oh no

[spice spire]

Can’t relate my guild actually has decent dps this tier

[livid marlin]

not frozen

[final phoenix]

so, technically, sin is a healer spec

[livid marlin]

the gold pool

froze me

[warm vortex]

Where you originally get the frozen debuff, it will aim this shard at you
Ensure you have a rock wall (from the ads that spawn) between you and it

[royal lantern]

god i hate motherlode

[spice spire]

Oh I see

[warm vortex]

I think that’s a frontal?

[spice spire]

That’s hero +

[warm vortex]

I could be wrong tho

[spice spire]

Gold is tank mechanic

Tank has to run it out

[warm vortex]

Oh weird

[turbid thistle]

So i just looted HoC in the Heroic Cashe.. is this bis or close to bis for M+ i have skadyr atm (S1)? i feel like that 1m30s CD is abit mehh

[spice spire]

During swap

[final phoenix]

dude you had 0.1 sec to pop a potion, why are you slacking

[spice spire]

And it stays perma

[indigo mulch]

I wonder when they are actually going to move away from using electron on discord. Its god awful. 😒

[warm vortex]

I’m like 2 miles away just pressing kill command

[spice spire]

POV my healer

[warm vortex]

So I don’t understand this talk

Funny story

[livid marlin]

Strange i got it

[static glacier]

dont do it

[livid marlin]

thats why i was confused

[balmy condor]

dude this is actually so chill

[spice spire]

Did you walk over it

[warm vortex]

I’ve had like 5 healers whisper me this season saying I’m the first hunter to actually use defensive

[spice spire]

Or just get it

[balmy condor]

why are we bitching about this

[livid marlin]

no i actually got it xD

[static glacier]

like I know i try to annoy you regularly but I don't wish this update on you

[spice spire]

[final phoenix]

@warm vortex tells you how little faith people have of hunters

[balmy condor]

it's so chill

[spice spire]

That’s confusing

[balmy condor]

like

what's the issue with this

[livid marlin]

like i had to run the gold out xD

[spice spire]

Secret chats

[royal lantern]

if thats chill, get professional help pls

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's good

[spice spire]

That’s very strange ngl

[balmy condor]

but it's not worse

[final phoenix]

sus :

[spice spire]

It’s not supposed to hit dps. It’s supposed to be a Tank mech. The big soak is a mechanic. But the gold that you run away from

Is wild

[spice spire]

[nova shadow]

I think it sims highest but am not sure high end rogues play signet and pacemacker most of the times

[balmy condor]

[final phoenix]

😮

im getting told

[warm vortex]

Wait

[balmy condor]

yeah no this update is totally fine

[warm vortex]

Do you have your own discord sever

[spice spire]

Yes

[final phoenix]

dont we all

[warm vortex]

Egotist

Jk

[spice spire]

It’s on his YouTube - twitch what have you

[warm vortex]

God I can’t show my sever list at all

[livid marlin]

apparent i stood on tank

[nova shadow]

@balmy condor What is your character name

[livid marlin]

for it

[warm vortex]

Sillyyyyy

[spice spire]

Give you three guesses

[warm vortex]

God I hope we kill mug this week

Otherwise that’s like

[spice spire]

Ahh it happens

[warm vortex]

3 nights no mug prog

[haughty flicker]

joseph

[final phoenix]

mug = ez clap

[spice spire]

Mythic or heroic

[warm vortex]

And it sucks cause I can’t rlly do much better

[final phoenix]

you even trying

[balmy condor]

whispyr

[warm vortex]

Hero

[haughty flicker]

fuck i was close

[spice spire]

Oh god ven how am I ahead of you

[warm vortex]

Like most pulls I’m usually top dps

[spice spire]

I raid in ratshit one day heroic

[warm vortex]

Cause I rarely do mythic

[final phoenix]

top dps andy

[warm vortex]

And my guild is like ‘casual’

[spice spire]

We’ve not touched mythic and we won’t

[indigo mulch]

[warm vortex]

But yea like people pop bombs on accident every pull

[golden loom]

clean up before you raid bruh

[spice spire]

I tried but my dumbass keeps finding people from rh

[balmy condor]

I actually have 6 of my own

5 are private

[warm vortex]

All 5 are monster deals

[royal lantern]

and #6 is the wowhead server?

[spice spire]

Nah #6 is where I modabuse

[midnight atlas]

!Wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[wide sleet]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[sterile violet]

anyone here plays a rogue orc with the name brogue

[warm vortex]

Idk ask brogue

If he is here

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/lacets-ronds-lacets-couleurs-gif-22518337

brogue has a lot of aura

[sterile violet]

nah he sucks actually worst dogshit rogue i seen in my life

[static glacier]

xd

[sterile violet]

660 orc rogue who talked big and did 4 interupts entire run

zero blind

[static glacier]

ngl with you

[vagrant plover]

It's popping off

[sterile violet]

zero cheapshot guy is a clown joke

[static glacier]

I doubt they're here

no one presses cheap shot generally

0 blinds / 4 kicks is bad

[sterile violet]

at least kick holy

yeah

[normal mist]

Did you come here to beef with another player because of a key?

[sterile violet]

nah he wanted my main

[static glacier]

litterally

[sterile violet]

i told him i main sin cuz i was tanking

[vagrant plover]

Assuming it was +3'd

[rough flume]

Cheap shot on sin 🤨

[sterile violet]

he said give me ur name / link

[normal mist]

My man, are you really wasting your time with that?

[static glacier]

to be fair brogue kinda blasted

[sterile violet]

was it u !!

HAAHAHAHA

[coral ibex]

"but he never kicks"

[static glacier]

nah

[sterile violet]

u actually TRASH

[coral ibex]

literally doing more dam than the other 2 combined

[static glacier]

LMAO

ive linked logs, im not brogue

[sterile violet]

is that actually you

[static glacier]

also I don't do below 3m overall ever

[sterile violet]

oh ok ok

[vagrant plover]

Rogglar blasting

[static glacier]

ngl

[maiden rover]

Fuck

[static glacier]

this looks like a low key

[sterile violet]

show interupts

[static glacier]

Id not think on it much, just go next

[sterile violet]

yeah it was a +6 i think

[coral ibex]

mobs live long enough to cast in a +6?

[haughty flicker]

https://imgur.com/1nUZrGo

[normal mist]

Drama over a +6

[sterile violet]

with pugs they're immortals

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/2-gif-7749019966943875056

[coral ibex]

https://imgur.com/hWMw1rp

[static glacier]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Xx6rPYAnfcTMZ2wb?fight=51&type=interrupts&source=23 here you go, proof I do press kick from the most recent combat I had from last night

[spice spire]

Interrupts also don’t reflect vanish garrotes - fwiw.
As a heads up.
Idk if he ran IW and I’m not defending HOWEVER

[static glacier]

and that im not brogue

[spice spire]

Logs are better than just checking details

[coral ibex]

if details tracked garrote silence uptime better

[sterile violet]

bro he's the worst rogue on earth never seen a rogue that doesnt blind + kick

[coral ibex]

i'd just link that

[static glacier]

did you guys wipe

to no stops?

[sterile violet]

his eggo is so big its insane

[spice spire]

I’ve seen plenty

[sterile violet]

someone left the group

[static glacier]

ah that sucks

[sterile violet]

so the run ended

[coral ibex]

was the someone you?

[spice spire]

This over a 6 is insane work tho

I’m ngl

[maiden rover]

It’s so easy to blind and kick. Dude sounds like a joke

[static glacier]

just block them and never play with them again

[sterile violet]

yeah

all good all good

[spice spire]

@maiden rover shut the fuck up dude

I hate you so much

[drifting cloud]

respect the commitment

[static glacier]

Vand really brought vendetta back

gg deathmark

[real pike]

love a bit of excitement in the disc tbh

[spice spire]

[real pike]

wish there was drama more often

[normal mist]

I don't

[spice spire]

We can be the change you wanna see

[real pike]

I've been doing an ok job myself at times

[normal mist]

Someone please kiss quake before he goes unhinged

[static glacier]

idk if this is really drama, I think brogue isn't here

[spice spire]

Before?

[normal mist]

Fuck it, I'll do it myself

[spice spire]

Brogue is not here atm

[normal mist]

You know what? Touché

[real pike]

Brogue is a solid B+ tier name

[static glacier]

idk, its giving shoes

[radiant raven]

It's no Arogue though.

[coral ibex]

all one syllable names are minimum B tier

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-screaming-machin3girl-gif-22623519

[static glacier]

I keep reading it as brogue

[real pike]

now you have me thinking of Kingsmen

[signal badger]

crashing out over a +6 is crazy work

[real pike]

oxfords, not brogues

[radiant raven]

That's the only reference I have for a brogue

[coral ibex]

i keep thinking about someone with a heavy irish accent playing rogue and going I DONT NEED TAE KICK IVE GOT SILENCE

[radiant raven]

I am uncultured

[static glacier]

AHAHAH

[coral ibex]

yet another kind of brogue

[static glacier]

I bet you anything he didn't have iron wire talented

[spice spire]

Max dam baby

Fuck iron wire ya feel me

[coral ibex]

its a new m+ season

assa rogues are dropping iron wire for 5% overall

things never change

[static glacier]

casual and some other high end rogues dropping iw mid-last season + bleed build not having the points to spare killed the talent

[spice spire]

Prioritizing lightspawns and do not care about mass fireballs

Gl everyone else

[coral ibex]

bleed does have the points to spare tho

[static glacier]

and now no one expects it 🙂

[coral ibex]

drop doomblade and sbs

[real pike]

gotta have it in the first place to drop it

[static glacier]

homie

[coral ibex]

for kingsbane and ironwire

[static glacier]

don't you DARE suggest dropping sbs again

[coral ibex]

[spice spire]

Drop another bleed

Miss me w that

[static glacier]

before I go brogue on you

[coral ibex]

brogue deez

[spice spire]

I might

[static glacier]

I love how that dk expected brogue to just be lurking in this channel

[haughty flicker]

there could be an infinite amount of parallel universes and in not a single one would you find me tainting the purity of my bleed build with kingsbane

[static glacier]

waiting for them to hunt em down

[dapper halo]

damn

i won normal kevin spacey

now i have to make a wa that says random kevin spacey comment when it procs

[tropic acorn]

how is assassination this patch? still doing good damage?

[misty holly]

Wowhead posted a dps rankings for week 3 and it shows us down in the shitter tier again.

[coral ibex]

GOOD

[tropic acorn]

okay but who listens to tier list

[coral ibex]

FOTM rerollers

[red schooner]

spec is dead everyone go to sub

(are they gone yet)

pls

[coral ibex]

which means fewer FOTM rerollers in here going um i have 6.83% haste do i need more

[haughty flicker]

next week outlaw nerfs and even more sin buffs

[runic hinge]

wrong

[tropic acorn]

i personally love the feel of assassin. if it was rankjed last i would play it. im returning since the half way point of last patch

[static glacier]

I think it's pretty good, I do well relative to my guildmates

[tropic acorn]

thank you. i appreciate the honesty

[static glacier]

we have the whole bad at switching

thing

but other than that we're quite good

[golden loom]

big blast big dam big sexy class

[grand trail]

pacemaker and kezan sim about same for 5min sim for me, is there any reason to go either of those?

[red schooner]

Kezan will struggle on a bit on a 5 min sim

[indigo ginkgo]

so we in raid with adds just swap to casutic and thats it ?

[grand trail]

yeah i know it pull ahead as you go further

[red schooner]

So maybe kezan on longer fights? Try running it on 7 minutes and run pacemaker on shorter fights

[grand trail]

assa dont track tier set right

cant play around

[red schooner]

nah

[iron vapor]

Nah, just luck if you get it or not

[wide sleet]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[shell crater]

Bit if of a speculative question but I’m simple brained and big number make monkey brain do good good chemicals:

im at 3piece at the moment, do I have a big damage increase to look forward to when i get my 4 piece? 🙂

[keen spruce]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1LdPImV63o2PPJ5PO0IjICfUo1jVsmJUCsA3hp38rp2Y/edit

[gusty mirage]

[runic hinge]

like 4%

which is pretty decent

[shell crater]

Noice

I’m trying to push for my first orange parse lol I got a 93 yeaterday

[keen spruce]

Hell yeah bruther

4pc should push it over

[round cypress]

For the third craft, it is better to go for a neck than a left hand or a cloak right ?

[haughty flicker]

Depends entirely on your gear

Sim it

[round cypress]

Fair enough

[haughty flicker]

Once you have 2 embellishments crafted gear is kind of just whatever to fill slots

If you even want to use crests on it

[keen spruce]

Offhand will generally be one of your lowest priority crafts though

[haughty flicker]

Yes it is not very high value

[ruby heart]

Is assination going to be Worth playing or should I switch to different spec

[keen spruce]

It’s always worth playing

[ruby heart]

Lol

[keen spruce]

Unless I know your toon’s name from the RWF

You can play assas every tier

In all content

[golden vault]

!wa

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[robust axle]

We are still dry-shiving after patch right?

[balmy condor]

no lube

[keen spruce]

So fkin dry

[dawn heath]

I just press shiv when i feel like it

Same with my tea

[robust axle]

I take that as a yes 😄

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/dry-kinky-gif-5075064

[dawn heath]

Obv always bank one for kb

[shell crater]

wtf is dry shiving

[paper chasm]

its what ben shapiro calls doing his wife

[keen spruce]

Instead of saving both shivs for KB you send one outside of CDs after DM expires

[red schooner]

shiv outside of kingsbane/deathmark windows

shiv + lingering darkness + darkest night = big hit

[keen spruce]

With darkest night and I think some tier set thingy?

Yeah lingering

[golden loom]

not tier set related

[red schooner]

tier set doesn't play into it

[golden loom]

just lingering + darkest night

[keen spruce]

Idk what lingering is

So that

[red schooner]

We can't play around the tier set, it just happens.

[keen spruce]

Buh I don’t play this game

[coral ibex]

30s after dm finishes

[golden loom]

30 seconds after deathmark expires u have a nature damage buff

[coral ibex]

30% more nature damage

[red schooner]

after deathmark ends we have 30 seconds of bonus nature damage

[keen spruce]

I thought lingering was the tier set

I’m parsing golf now

[pure moth]

Rank 1?

[keen spruce]

No I’m like

[shell crater]

Wait have I been using shiv completely wrong? I just use it if it’s up and I have a darkest night use

[keen spruce]

A blue or purple parser

In golf

[golden loom]

well u need 2 shivs for deathmark and 1 shiv for the outside of DM kingsbane

[red schooner]

Normally you just use 2 in first deathmark, use the next one when it comes off when lingering + darkest night is up and 1 on your kingsbane, then save 2 for the next deathmark kingsbane window

[keen spruce]

^ this sounds right in my brain

So I will repeat it as fact

[shell crater]

Well I’ll be fucked I’ve been playing completely wrong

[midnight atlas]

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[red schooner]

i am not a good source of information don't do this

[balmy condor]

sounds right in my brain too

[keen spruce]

[shell crater]

I only just came back to rogue cos I made the mistake of trying to reroll for the good of the guild lol

I completely forgot LD was a thing

[balmy condor]

good rule to start with

[shell crater]

Just thought my super heavy envenoms were happy accidents lol

[balmy condor]

is that if you're casting shiv and it's not attached to a kingsbane

it's probably not good

and then you can work up on min-maxes from there

[red schooner]

yeah, dry shiv is a minor boost so, not necessary until you're fully comfortable with things

though i started using it and big crits make me happy so, i'd recommend it

[shell crater]

So 2 in, 1 out, rinse and repeat? Seems simple enough

[red schooner]

when the dry shiv lines up with adds around the boss, glorious

jump up 4 places on details in 1 button press

[balmy condor]

well 2 in deathmark, 1 in lingering, 1 in kingsbane, then repeat

and sometimes the lingering won't line up

so you go 2 in deathmark, 2 in kingsbane, repeat

[shell crater]

You don’t have DM and KB up at same time?

[red schooner]

we do, we're meaning lingering

[balmy condor]

you do

[shell crater]

OHHH

[haughty flicker]

Sometimes you don’t have shiv up in lingering with dn

[shell crater]

okay I’m being dense sorry lol

[haughty flicker]

So you just don’t do it

[red schooner]

the dry shiv needs the 3 things to align and sometimes you get unlucky and it doesn't

[subtle tundra]

uh what 3rd thing

[balmy condor]

mercury

[red schooner]

shiv off cooldown, darkest night, lingering

[warm vortex]

Some random person on the train came up and showed me some weird pickle thing with a phone overlay and said “would you answer”

Am I getting punked or something

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck do you mean shiv off cooldown

[haughty flicker]

Sometimes shiv is on cd

And sometimes it’s off cd

I think when you press the button it goes on cd

[subtle tundra]

also you can press shiv at 1 mark left

[haughty flicker]

But I’m not sure

[subtle tundra]

🙂

[warm vortex]

Was literally like this

It was horrid

I feel like I’m being recorded for some shitty video or smth

[haughty flicker]

Did you answer the call

[haughty flicker]

[warm vortex]

FaceTime

[worn marsh]

Is there a sim setting with similar results to dungeon slice that takes less than 2 years to run droptimizer on? Or what do you all use for m+ sims

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice

[iron vapor]

hmm, I've never done the dry shiv, I've always just done 2 in the DM/KB window after pull, then 2 in the next KB a minute later

am I missing a trick? Feels like there's a shiv available in the gap somewhere?

[coral ibex]

-1 from kb

[fallen orbit]

Same

[coral ibex]

kb without DM isn't very big so you can just use 1 shiv on it

[fallen orbit]

Like close to end so the time comes to an end with dm and kb ?

[iron vapor]

ahh fair, I suppose the first half of KB doesn't really do much

[fallen orbit]

Feels like that would amp the dmg the best as when put in the beginning

[high walrus]

do engineering crafted items count as an embelishment for the 2 limit?

if I want 1 stat bracers for example

[iron vapor]

so go for a dry shiv towards the end of darkest night and then just use a single shiv for the last 8 seconds of kingsbane on it's own

[fallen orbit]

Not kb on its own when together with dm

[iron vapor]

that means adding another sodding weakaura to track darkest night. fuuuuuuuuuuuuck

[fallen orbit]

When u use death mark and kings bane when u use kb on its own don’t use shiv

I see it in the middle of a screen 😂

[scarlet meadow]

so we no longer clear the witness in st? feels weird to undo that muscle memory

[spice spire]

As long as you have VV no

[timid haven]

Is it worth popping kb with 7 secs left on Dm so the big hit is in lingering window?

[balmy condor]

not even remotely

[iron vapor]

nah you've gotta shiv for the last 7 seconds on kingsbane

or last 8, you know what I mean

[timid haven]

got ya

[balmy condor]

KB's cap is much lower than it used to be

there's not really a big hit anymore

[severe meadow]

I have a maybe dumb question pookie

[timid haven]

ahh ok

[sterile violet]

anyone got this bug where if u spam fan of knives 2-3 times and then u follow it with Evenom it still does fan of knives

am going crazy here

[balmy condor]

I have a maybe rude answer if you don't think my dry responses are funny

[severe meadow]

I think they’re funny sometimes

[meager granite]

Make KB Great Again

[severe meadow]

Any value in sending shiv along with mega magnet at the end of lingering?

[balmy condor]

we boutta find out if it's still funny if you're on the end of the cannon

oh

that's not even dumb that's just expecting blizzard to be consistent

no

[sterile violet]

like am pressing evenom and it still does fan of knifes is it just me or ?

[dapper halo]

is kevin spacey trinket good for m+

[balmy condor]

shiv doesn't buff any non-rogue stuff

[severe meadow]

Oh so the shiv damage doesn’t buff it

[dapper halo]

or is it just st

[haughty flicker]

lmao look at this idiot thinking blizzard is consistent about which damage buffs effect what

[balmy condor]

kevin spacey good yes

the tirnket not the person

[sterile violet]

ok cool i guess thanks

[balmy condor]

sounds like lag idk I've never heard of it

[sterile violet]

oh

[severe meadow]

With that said, is anything outside of lingering buffing it?

I assume no

[balmy condor]

no

lingering is the outlier

[severe meadow]

Thanks pooks

[balmy condor]

typically trinkets and item effects

are completely standalone outside of crit and vers

[severe meadow]

Think they’ll possibly change lingering from effecting it?

[balmy condor]

cause would be insanely hard to balance shit if like assassination for example randomly could buff a nature damage trinket by nearly 70% out of nowhere

but they forget to do that sometimes

so we get things like lingering

I mean they should fix it

[severe meadow]

I used it on vexie and it hit for like 19m during amp

Kinda nasty

[balmy condor]

just a question of whether they care enough to change it

it's technically unintended but as long as it isn't breaking anything in half it's probably not getting attention

[severe meadow]

So far I’ve liked using it

[fallen orbit]

Try on dummies with and without

[severe meadow]

I already got my answer tho

[balmy condor]

yeah but try it on dummies with and without

[severe meadow]

Yeah maybe I’ll try on dummies with and without

[haughty flicker]

[fallen orbit]

Bring the numbers

😂😂😂😂

[balmy condor]

homeboy didn't ask a question

he made a statement

a demand in fact

to go try it

[fallen orbit]

I would go myself but I don’t have it

[severe meadow]

I got it because no one wanted it last week during reclear

Yoink

[fallen orbit]

I’m running hc peacemaker and champ Haus

[severe meadow]

Still haven’t seen pace

[fallen orbit]

I would keep those 2 but thinking about changing house on m+ just don’t know for what

[fallen orbit]

I got it very early on so I’m kinda lucky I guess but my vault is shit week after week so it’s balanced

[severe meadow]

I’ve had only average vaults

This weeks was nearly a socket

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor assa hidden op for adds (they spawned on top of boss 3 times)

amend the guides

[balmy condor]

no more rik barrel conversations I'm not strong enough

we did 3 rounds of why no rik barrel damage just last night

I'm still on cooldown

[drifting cloud]

im sure you had a good nights sleep

to go agane

[dreamy rover]

yhea im waiting for my pasta to get ready people

leys go

[fallen orbit]

I’ll run st with claustic and works charms also on stix but only if they bring adds I am not changing targets it ruins so much for me 😂

We are not on myth yet

Guys do you think not using vanish for obvious reasons is lowering parses ?

[balmy condor]

5am-8:45am

[balmy condor]

what does this mean

[dreamy rover]

why 😭

[balmy condor]

raid builds don't take stealth talents anymore

you don't have a reason to vanish

[balmy condor]

xfinity technican between 9-11am

[dreamy rover]

rip

[neat jacinth]

is there a way to see prio damage in sims?

[fallen orbit]

When u look at analyser u see there is like “bad usage of vanish” and stuff like that. Yeah I know I don’t have to use it 😂

[dreamy rover]

at least for sub rogue, wowanalyzer is a joke

idk about sin though

[fallen orbit]

Yeah some things there doesn’t make sense but I still want to improve so I’m looking at stuff

[drifting cloud]

yeah its not up to date

[royal lantern]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

yeh open the full html report

[viscid spear]

Us filthy Americans haven't slept yet so that was still today for us

[spice spire]

He’s a filthy American

What

[runic hinge]

It doesn’t matter what day it is

It’s every day

[iron vapor]

hmm, mega magnet with 30 stacks and LD with the DoT dropped just over 10mil damage.

not bad

that's at 658, obvs be a lot more at 678

[balmy condor]

we're back on the cycle of people thinking I'm european because of my sleep schedule

god bless

[red schooner]

clearly australian

[spice spire]

Amen

[balmy condor]

if anyone ever sends an assassin to kill me they'll send him to the wrong side of the world

literally the safest person ever

[spice spire]

People are still unaware of what nationality I am because I am just here randomly at all times

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqJXDOwxqIA

[quartz trellis]

!ui

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[spice spire]

Think it’s pronounced porch of geese

[runic hinge]

Sleep more

[spice spire]

Make me

[runic hinge]

[pliant gazelle]

3

[balmy condor]

call me too tired the way I'm spinnin your block on my e-bike

[warm vortex]

Waity

[runic hinge]

Bars

[warm vortex]

Is quake portuguese

[balmy condor]

idk

[tulip heron]

What do you guys think of Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet as a trinket? Anyone had much luck with it?

[ember mural]

Is prostate a nationality

[balmy condor]

do you think he is?

[runic hinge]

More like pop ur geese

[balmy condor]

good

[warm vortex]

Idk i thought he was some fucking entity that just spawned in some day

[coral ibex]

so quake is a portugeezer

[warm vortex]

also my chair is missing like 4 wheels and is ruining my floor

#huntergrindset

[spice spire]

Real

[tulip heron]

seems to do bugger all for me :\

[warm vortex]

What on earth is that splatter

[red schooner]

are you using it during lingering?

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-flash-cat-betterttv-gif-10690574645280585754

[warm vortex]

Also did you take a screenshot of your monitor

[coral ibex]

what am i looking at

[balmy condor]

HDR gamer

god blesss

I have no clue what I'm looking at either

[coral ibex]

eviscerate??

[warm vortex]

Wait

[tulip heron]

Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet - 36m dmg

[haughty flicker]

its him

[warm vortex]

How the fuck do you have trickster and caustic spatter

[haughty flicker]

john rogue

[balmy condor]

yeah we see the magnet

[warm vortex]

It's john rogue

Holy shit

[tulip heron]

out of 2.92B dmg haha

[balmy condor]

assassination buffs the magnet

[coral ibex]

i'm so confused

[balmy condor]

during lingering

[red schooner]

he unlocked multispec

[balmy condor]

and you're linking a details bar

that's half assa half sub

[tulip heron]

Oh lol sorry, yeah I switched specs midway through, it was a zero I was boosting

Sorry for the confusion 😄

been messing with sub for dungeons

[spice spire]

nah not the zero boost swaps

[balmy condor]

single target trinket not going to do giga blast damage in a dungeon overall meter

makes sense to me

[runic hinge]

Need that giga blast

Ya feel?

[warm vortex]

WHAT NO WAY

Top 10 plot twists nobody saw cumming

[tulip heron]

it's a cleave trinket though isn't it? Spreads up to 5 targets, or am I going mad (likely)

[balmy condor]

I mean it does a tiny shitass damage to 5 targets

based on the damage you did to the 1 target

[tulip heron]

it sims higher than my 645 slightly.. but not much (Algari coordance)

but in practice it seems pretty weak.. I was hoping for something like the grieftorch in dragonflight haha

[haughty flicker]

there are definitely no grieftorches or beacons

we just throw magnets at people now

[balmy condor]

algari does indeed suck real bad

but yeah trinkets and item effects in general

are really bad this expansion

[tulip heron]

Funhouse lens is alright as a burst rotation trinket, syncs up really nice with sub but not with assass

[warm vortex]

Yo what the fucks going on

[spice spire]

They’ve had a few pulls

[warm vortex]

Bro actually looking at some chinese guilds some pull counts is insane

just say a queen ansurek mythic at 692

[grand trail]

love this spec alread

[sick oyster]

guys whats up with the poison that makes raid bosses not parry anymore? what did i miss here?

[haughty flicker]

that doesnt exist

[balmy condor]

anti parry poison

could you imagine

that's just trickster though

[haughty flicker]

trickster has a talent that can stop bosses from parrying but we dont have trickster

[balmy condor]

#subtlety #outlaw

one of those two

[sick oyster]

thanks guys, ppl kept telling me the hottest stuff

[warm vortex]

What sprocket nerfs do to an mf

OH MY GOD

[ebon quest]

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[warm vortex]

482 kyveza too

[grand trail]

Damn first raid as assa

im so back with this spec

[astral plover]

Do we use Fan of knife on weakness proc or nah?

[coral ibex]

ohhhh my name-a luigi and im-a here to tell you to check-a da pins!!!

[rotund oak]

Ma Ma Ma Baker check on the pins

(Boney M vibes)

lul

[sand sigil]

does dslice just use house of cards every 2m w dm i assume? or idk just surprised it sims more than than having 678 priory synced w dm

[dapper cradle]

yeah not sure what else you'd do

house is just tuned crazy with the amount of stats it gives

i just sync up with DM

[sand sigil]

yeah just checking. pulled heroic house from that weekly quest light work

[half tartan]

If you ain’t first.. You’re last 😊😊

[grand trail]

true

[vital flicker]

is house tuned crazy or is everything else just tuned to be bad?

[thorn thorn]

"Tiny Shitass damage" is now one of my favorite quotes

[spice surge]

everything else is bad

priory has less stats than skardyn too

(at same ilvl that is)

[grand trail]

I can feel not playing vers

[brittle shuttle]

heroic house sims better than 678 signet for u?

[balmy condor]

maybe he has a crit priory

[bronze pike]

cant make good trinkets this expansion

cause that would be unfair to tanks

who for some reason have a30% nerf on all dps trinkets :)

[brittle shuttle]

makes sense didn't consider that, 678 signet sims like 20k better than heroic house of cards on slice and patchwerk for me

w mastery prio

[vital flicker]

can Flask of Alchemical Chaos grief your Signety of the Priory if you use it when it is buffing a stat you don't want? like should you always make sure you have 4k more mastery than any other stat?

[warm vortex]

Someone in hunter discord just shared the best thing ever

[balmy condor]

it can, yes

[vital flicker]

I thought so, but that is funny to know

[runic hinge]

Makes sense why I got verse a few times last raid night

[balmy condor]

sorry what

no that doesn't make sense

what the fuck

[runic hinge]

My stats were like

Fucked

[haughty flicker]

i'd say so

thats a lot of fucking vers

[runic hinge]

Haste verse neck and cloak and crit verse ring

[robust light]

when we have darkest night we have to spend with max cp right? even if we hit 5 or 6 combos we still have to mut upto full even if it wastes cp?

[balmy condor]

yes

[runic hinge]

Roll vers on flask and get verse signet

I had like 17% in raid gear. We’ve fixed all that tho. Trust

[storm forum]

.... now i want a set where all stats are within 4k of each other and we gamble on every priory use

[royal lantern]

i do that

chaos flask makes me gamble bettwen mastery/crit/vers with it

[storm forum]

living the life

[haughty flicker]

why do gifs of legs show up when i type gamba

does gamba mean leg in some language lmao

[nimble tartan]

any sin mains that do mythic prog whats ur sim at atm cant tell if im a lil behind or on par as a sub main doing some gear swaps just curious, 664.5 ilevel ❤️

[velvet cairn]

my sim with suboptimal gear is around 2.1m

just making the swap since sub is terrible

[dapper cradle]

Wdym? Like the playstyle?

[velvet cairn]

squeezing cds, transmitter on sprocket is terrible

jump 3 with magnets and i might just go suicide in the magnet

[dapper cradle]

Transmitter is no good for sure

Get the pvp trinket

[ebon lodge]

the proc or on use?

[vital flicker]

Just get House of cards 4head

[nimble tartan]

oh you just pop off after the magnets

[dapper cradle]

It’s basically a sidegrade with the amount of misplays you most likely have

[velvet cairn]

yeah iknow but i just rather go assa and play like signet or skardyn ig

[nimble tartan]

u have enough time

[velvet cairn]

it lines up for intermission nice with cds ends

[dapper cradle]

Idk sub feels good on sprock

[velvet cairn]

also its not super rough just annoying

[nimble tartan]

yeah playin sub on sprocket it feels good

[dapper cradle]

Sounds like you just have a transmitter issue

[nimble tartan]

im at 2.19 sim for sin atm

2.25 sub

[subtle tundra]

im at like 2.6 on ww

[nimble tartan]

dont have the BEST sin gear too could def get sizeable upgrades in m+

[subtle tundra]

[grand trail]

damn i looted so many crit items today that game is like Sir pls no more crit items

[balmy condor]

crit priory moment

[grand trail]

i blame this thing

[haughty flicker]

thats a lot of crit

[nimble tartan]

any sin players doing one armed bandit mythico?

or are we resigned to sub ...

[stark umbra]

check if there are logs, but i think u can play sin

[royal lantern]

jokes on you, i got vers priory now

[grand trail]

we will play assa on that boss and soemone already killed as assa

[nimble tartan]

most logs and proggers rn are sub still, the sin guy was sub on first attempt as well

his rekill was sin

[green timber]

is the rogue sim spreadsheet updated for the sin buffs?

[nimble tartan]

ok ya ima lean sub for now on oab and do sin for mugzee awaiting more stats this coming week

[sudden brook]

Sub probably still better but if u wanna play sin u probs can

U just literally cant swap to reel assistants very well

And also u cant solo a bomb set like ret/ww/sub can

So depending on ur comp bombs might be a pain point

[nimble tartan]

yeah it prob is we dont have an optimal one at all so sub for safety

[royal lantern]

heroic jester drop and its on me

[spice surge]

If you have monks that can kill the adds at 1:50 you can play assa

But you kinda need some big bursters there, and only monks & sub can really do it well

[sudden brook]

ret can too

[spice surge]

Ye youre probably right

[sudden brook]

But yeah u need at least 2 people to kill them

[sand sigil]

no

678 house vs 678 signet

idk how much value there is tho in that

house only last 15s

which means u have to manually press 1s after dm

vs priory u can just macro into dm

[gritty laurel]

why does that mean that?

[sand sigil]

cuz if u macro cards into dm

and then u are even .1s late when u kb

then the last tick of kb wont have card buff

but it will always have priory buff

but u dont wanna macro card to kb

[royal lantern]

signet is 20sec duration, it will cover a full dm by default

HoC is 15sec, it wont if you macro it

[runic hinge]

Priory probs better if you got full group

As well

[sand sigil]

ya thats what i was thinkin

some grp dam in using that trink too

[royal lantern]

tbh, that effect is REALLY minor

its less stats then a gem

ofc still free stats, which is good

[runic hinge]

Yeah but if you get 3 other people using their two mins at the same time

It can be more than a gem

[haughty flicker]

its more than a gem anyway

but ye its not big

especially if they have haste or some poopoo

[runic hinge]

It’s just extra something over hoc anyways

[royal lantern]

nah, its 204 at max lvl

a gem is more or less the same in raw stats

[haughty flicker]

gem gives 196

for multi stat gem anyway

[royal lantern]

gems are 147+49

[haughty flicker]

more than a gem

[warm vortex]

God ele seems fucking insane in m+ rn

[fallow notch]

Guys is Bleed build worse the longer the packs live? So this week hybrid is better even at lower Keys?

[rotund oak]

Ele buffs did the job

high voltage pumperino

[warm vortex]

So bs

[royal lantern]

not really?

[warm vortex]

Got outdpsed by an ele friend and he said bm is doing better atm anyway which i think is sussy

[royal lantern]

why shouuld it be worse

[fallow notch]

I thought i read somewhere that Bleed build is for low Keys or is it Just the 100% focus on aoe build?

[royal lantern]

in low keys sudden demise will "execute" stuff faster, which makes it feel better

but like, it doesnt really drop off

[runic hinge]

Bleed still good in my 11’s and 12’s so far

[golden loom]

Also what does this week have to do with anything?

[royal lantern]

its assa in m+ rn, the "talent builds" dont really change your overall dmg, just a bit how your dmg is focused bt wont change something bigtime

"bleed build" is more raw aoe

but going something else wont make you suddenly do giga st dmg

assa st in dungeons is always kinda stinky rn

[fallow notch]

It kinda clicked for me last week. Went from 1,5kk dps to 2kk dps off of a talent swap

[subtle tundra]

huh?

what talent..

[fallow notch]

Over a dungeons time in actual performance, not simdps

[subtle tundra]

the difference shouldnt be 500mil

[rotund oak]

bleed and hybrid kinda even out,they are about the same in th end.One does more aoe the other slightly more ST

[subtle tundra]

overall

[royal lantern]

bro, you cant "meassure" stuff by a dungoen run

[rotund oak]

dont expect to do Sub rogue ST

[royal lantern]

cus like, there are 200000factors lol

[rotund oak]

it wont happen

[fallow notch]

500k not 500 mil

[royal lantern]

like, what dungeon, what was the team, how where the pulls, how did people use cds

[subtle tundra]

yeah yeah

its not 500k dps

[royal lantern]

thats the main thing in your dmg

[subtle tundra]

the talent

[royal lantern]

not some talent changes that do 2% more raw aoe for 2% less boss dmg

[golden loom]

Maybe the talent swap was fatebound -> deathstalker

[runic hinge]

Real

[golden loom]

That would be atleast 500k in m+

[fallow notch]

No shit, i said it was my performance too. It clicked better with me.

[subtle tundra]

lol

[old stirrup]

!macro

[royal lantern]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[royal lantern]

only macro assa uses

togheter with trinket+deathmark