assassination

[violet jackal]

also fan of knives was feeling comfy now its gone

we press almost as many buttons as beast mastery hunter in raid

[grim jay]

We have more finishers than bm has buttons

Its not THAT bad

I do prefer more tho

[violet jackal]

can we cook crimson tempest back in to single target

[ancient rain]

About eye of kezan,
I can see that longer fights favor it, but when the fight has downtime where you don't hit the boss at all does it still scale as well?

[grim jay]

Well you need to use abilities

Like the trinket says

[zinc frost]

Bring back original bonespike

[violet jackal]

that too

[royal lantern]

both stop cooking

[bronze plover]

hello everyone how is the oppener with vv i mean when we garrote?

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

like normal

[crisp stream]

Ambush garrote rup?

[pliant remnant]

hamburger cheese burger big mac whopper

[golden loom]

only if you crit the ambush (so you get 4 combo points from it) otherwise you mutilate before rupture

as the finisher rule is always 5+ (or 7 with darkest night)

[peak lake]

FoK is still a thing ?

(single tar)

[opaque venture]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[willow falcon]

is the jastor still bugged in raid? got the bad boi in my cache lmao

[ionic pumice]

yo is it okay to sit on 1 stack on envenom outside of cds? just for energy saving

[golden loom]

I mean you generate more energy by having 2 envenoms running with ttk

[green pier]

is there a fight in the current raid that we benefit from running tempest on heroic? like I can only think really of Vexie and Stix but I don't know if the uptime of the adds is worth anything more than just running caustic spatter?

[dapper halo]

how meowdy are we today?

i dont think any bosses really require ct

caustic spatter should do fine

[green pier]

yeah, I think that's where I landed tbh.

[dapper halo]

i mean if you really want to dps lord paddington, go ct

on the trash boss

[ancient rain]

Raidbots is sometimes spending clear the witness and sometimes not. Is there an explanation for that?

[golden loom]

even there you padd hard with just caustic

[golden loom]

its neutral to use it during lingering darkness

[dapper halo]

well,.the adds still need to die

[ancient rain]

ok i see

[dapper halo]

so i wouldnt call it padding

[golden loom]

well the adds that we as sin rogues hit will die no matter if we are running CT or not

[dapper halo]

yes

[golden loom]

cause we only hit the ones that all other melee also are cleaving

[dapper halo]

do you totally accidentally on purpose skip the katamari damacy part by rolling straight to the boss

[golden loom]

this was me yesterday

worth it

[dapper halo]

i have done it accidentally many times

[golden loom]

I did it very intentionally in that pug

[balmy condor]

CT on stix should be a single target gain in theory

[dapper halo]

how about practise

[balmy condor]

should be easy to get that in practice as well but I give no guarantees for heroic

shit explodes on heroic

but CT on 2 targets is a single target gain

so if you can regularly CT with stix + 1 add

it'll be at minimum better than an envenom

I think the breakpoint for worth talenting into for single target is stix + 3 target

not 100% uptime ofc

but like

if you can regularly hit 4 targets with CT, you talent CT for boss damage alone

and the overall damage is just bonus

[golden loom]

hm will try it on sunday

[waxen jungle]

Quick question bout pooling. When KB is about to become ready how much energy should i pool before send KB? Thanks 🙂

[golden loom]

I guess it does have decent uptime cause you can send it when the bombshells go out, and then refresh it again later on when the hyenas etc get released from ball

[balmy condor]

like 150ish

[ionic pumice]

so which talents we should drop for ct

[balmy condor]

bone spike

[storm hedge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mMkBcW7F8qRa3nKV?fight=16&type=healing&options=16384&ability=392388

[balmy condor]

yep

[golden loom]

oh wait would we run both vv and ct

[balmy condor]

yes

[golden loom]

alright 👍

[balmy condor]

vv cleaves with caustic

[golden loom]

ye

[storm hedge]

Isn't the rule just 4 seconds before kb?

[dapper halo]

i think i play wrong since i keep running dry on energy, m+ and raids

[ionic pumice]

so bone spike +what we need 2 points to reach the ct

[balmy condor]

yes, but with how the sim plays that it means 150ish

[balmy condor]

doomblade obviously

doomblade is only taken for bone spike

it's a 2 point talent

[green pier]

much easier to dry up in M+, single target in M+ spec is sadge

[balmy condor]

that's how the spec works

[storm hedge]

But I mean it wouldn't matter if it was even significantly higher since we don't play sanguine blades right? Even though it doesn't matter

[golden loom]

so with both CT and VV we would fok on 4+ right?

[balmy condor]

I mean sure man whatever

[ionic pumice]

what about rik reverb ct does not have value on that?

[balmy condor]

I'm just saying what it'll end up with

it ain't that deep

[dapper halo]

also this has been bugging me, m+ trash clearing, does it matter to what target i throw my deathmark to, do i need to actually the dm target, i mainly throw it to get the poison buff afterwards

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

it has value in the way of you doing like 60mil to barrels instead of 30mil, but otherwise no

[storm hedge]

I'd think you want to DM the target you are actually hitting with spatter

[balmy condor]

CT on rik doesn't have enough uptime and isn't even close to consistent enough

[dapper halo]

interrupts etc disagree with that

[balmy condor]

there will be pulls where barrels won't land near the boss and you just never get CT value

[stark umbra]

adds on rik are super inconsistent for it to even be worth running ct at all

[balmy condor]

I think the highest damage log with CT has 7% damage from CT

and that's typically VERY questionable

[midnight mist]

Ah ye I know it looks like that but

[stark umbra]

even caustic doesnt even reach the adds

[midnight mist]

It could always be a weird logging thing

[green pier]

what you dropping to get both VV and CT in the same spec? wowhead guide for CT doesn't take VV

[balmy condor]

usually you want like at least 8-9% CT damage to consider it worth swapping into it

[storm hedge]

fuck it let's go to a raid with 30 rogues and test it that way

[midnight mist]

nah its just

back in df some guys just went on last boss

[balmy condor]

are you sure?

I'm like 99% sure I updated it

[midnight mist]

and just did no atro, then applied one then applied 2

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna go check

[midnight mist]

and you could see the damage go down everytime

acordingly

[storm hedge]

We don't have two rogues anymore so can't test

[balmy condor]

okay well first off the thing you circled isn't vv

but yeah you seem to be cached

[green pier]

oh lmao

[balmy condor]

cause I just opened it

and it looks fine

[green pier]

oh weird, i'll try clearing cache

[stark umbra]

[balmy condor]

open it on a different browser

[green pier]

ty tho

[balmy condor]

or something

[dapper halo]

i wish i could clear my Own cache

and add some more ram

[grim jay]

[storm hedge]

Is using rupture with low cps on an add ever worth for more energy and more ST damage?

[balmy condor]

is it EVER worth?

yes

is it worth on anything in this raid? probably not

[storm hedge]

When would it be worth then?

[balmy condor]

low cp especially is hard to justify cause it's so inefficient

[stark umbra]

only if adds survive more than 8 secs no?

[balmy condor]

but you would want to 5cp if the mob lasts for 8s or more

which barrels for example do not

and vexie bike also don't

[storm hedge]

I mean for us they do

The barrels not in melee live almost the full 15s cast

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor weekly wowhead dmg overall post

why outlaw bar bigger????? is outlaw the play now?

[green pier]

but a low cp rupture on an add that's about to die is 100 energy back for 24 spent right?

[stark umbra]

flame ur ranged dps, thats what i did and it fixed it for us 🙂

[dapper halo]

we have to do alot of mental math while playing just cause we chose to play rouge

[balmy condor]

please god don't tell me you want to fucking go hit the ranged barrels

kiss yourself

[storm hedge]

Q shadowstep for energy for more boss damage?

must be worth

[balmy condor]

no

[dapper halo]

but i wouldnt want to be a drooling retpala either

[balmy condor]

it's worth for overall, not the boss damage

[spice spire]

Silence healer main

[balmy condor]

shadowstepping the barrels to rupture snipe and then shadowstepping back

is such a colossally stupid idea

I cannot stress enough

how aids that is

[storm hedge]

Well you would lose the cleave damage if you're going for overall

so ye in that case it can't be worth

[balmy condor]

it's questionably worth if you mouseover the barrel in melee

but not hitting boss means you lose hunt them down damage

means you lose mark progress

and you need it to live 8seconds just to break even

it's just

really really dumb

[grim jay]

so we spec IC

to vanish spread rupture

and still progress mark

gotcha fam, thanks

[golden loom]

[grim jay]

[blazing pumice]

picking up sbs after not playing it for 3 months and losing ttk is cancer 😦

[stark umbra]

[grim jay]

I think whispyr just had a heartattack

[storm hedge]

My thought process is that damage on the cleavable barrels doesn't matter so I just rupture one of the far ones

[balmy condor]

no I'm just not responding to that

[storm hedge]

And hope it's also worth for boss damage

[balmy condor]

and that's fine, but your thought process should immediately end the moment you start thinking about doing damage to anything that far away

[storm hedge]

Why though when we have two shadowsteps

[stark umbra]

if his ranged dps dont kill barrels in time, and melees have to help, it is what it is

i had that happen as well

[viscid spear]

If it doesn't feel the Splatter, then it doesn't even matter

[balmy condor]

because you're not a robot and any time you spend targetting and stepping and rupturing and then stepping back and realizing you're not in range and then walking 3 steps and shadowstepping is time wasted for a problem that isn't yours to be solving in the first place

[green pier]

twas caching the wowhead page, sorted now thanks whispyr 👍

[balmy condor]

we are assa rogues

we do not target swap

we do not go into range

[ionic pumice]

what about two big mobs in galy

[balmy condor]

those can live long enough for ruptures but you can just caustic those off of gally

[ionic pumice]

is rupturing them for enery fine or just hit the boss

[balmy condor]

if adds -> caustic them

that's the rule

anything more than:

• me hit boss
• caustic hit thing
• me happy

legit anything more than that

[dapper halo]

i almost had to ask permission to not do mug adds, the dps cds just dont mesh

[balmy condor]

is questionable at best

[golden loom]

Especially since you probably have shiv on them cause you are in cooldowns, spending globals on rupture seems silly

just spatter

[balmy condor]

like the spec is entirely designed to never leave your main target

so just don't

it sucks that we don't do barrel damage on rik

but it's literally just not our fucking problem lmao

[stark umbra]

tell that to the raid leader

[balmy condor]

even if you decide to play the raid superhero

what the hell do you think 3 ticks of rupture and a mutilate and maybe an envenom are going to do

they ain't doing shit

[sudden palm]

I personally think rogues should target swap

[storm hedge]

I see what you mean. But if the barells ain't dying you are wiping

[balmy condor]

yes

[stark umbra]

some1 ban @sudden palm pls

[balmy condor]

and that is not your problem

you will wipe

cause no barrel damage

and it won't be your fault

cause you can't do anything about it

welcome to assa rogue

[grim jay]

I think its okay to be wrong

[drifting cloud]

I think we need a 30min rik reverb guide

[balmy condor]

the ONLY way you ever contribute anything to any of the barrels is if you manage to either get it in caustic range, or you play the superhero and a darkest night lines up and you manage to get a very large lingering darkness darkest night onto a barrel or some shit

like that might do a couple million damage

[viscid spear]

Mine doesn't like that I say it's better for me to stay on boss

[balmy condor]

will it make you show up on the barrel damage meters? no

not even remotely

but for that one barrel that might've maybe probably perhaps exploded

maybe you save that one

other than that

you need to just wake up to reality and accept you are useless

[drifting cloud]

if 1 explodes atleast healers get something to heal you know

[dapper halo]

being a healer is such a thankless job

[stark umbra]

i played sub on our first kill cuz we lacked add dmg 🙂 but aint doing that no more

[viscid spear]

This is the Rogue Discord, we don't thank anyone.

[golden loom]

atleast I got to pop the fuck off on first 2 bosses, rick can smd i do not care

[dapper halo]

i do thank our healers

[viscid spear]

Let me guess, you just focus Sprocket the entire fight like a selfish ninny

[golden loom]

I do mines on sprocket thank you very much

[onyx linden]

For bleed m+ with blindside should we not be taking improved ambush? Tight spender kinda meh

[viscid spear]

It's always Mines with you, why can't it be Yours

[dapper halo]

our rl decided that im too derp to do mines

so tunneling the boss it is

[golden loom]

you run into a mine when ur name is called

not that hard

[balmy condor]

You can if you want, neither option is that good

[onyx linden]

True

[viscid spear]

You'd be surprised, lol

[balmy condor]

If anything, it’s probably better single target

If you wanna cope about that

[onyx linden]

Lol

[balmy condor]

0.3% boss damage INSANE

[dapper halo]

when our bucket of attention becomes full, you loose the sense of hearing first

[warm vortex]

So just found out something

Don’t work out until you can’t anymore with only 3 hours of sleep

Not a good idea

[dapper halo]

"you are no good to me dead"

[storm hedge]

That's literally every barrel that's not in the melee for us (except the first set). I completely understand your point and with good dps players it could work. But when you have to carry you have to carry and you do everything you can even when it's not optimal

[warm vortex]

I feel like a lot of VDHs

[balmy condor]

Then play sub

[grim jay]

just dont be a puss

[warm vortex]

Like I’m about to drop fucking dead out of nowhere

[warm vortex]

True

[storm hedge]

I'd do less barrel dps as sub I can't play that spec

[dapper halo]

take a nap dude

[storm hedge]

I'm not good by any means

[warm vortex]

But genuinely I was walking back to my room hobbling feeling like I was gonna vomit

[balmy condor]

Then quit bitching

[golden loom]

Honestly if your ranged cant kill the barrles at range, its time to bring out the outlaw and start shooting all around the place

[balmy condor]

What do you want me to say

[warm vortex]

I got uni in like 4 hours

[golden loom]

BRAP BRAP BRAP

[balmy condor]

You want to carry, assa can’t do that

Sub can possibly carry barrels

[warm vortex]

Sudden realisation that brap mean something completely different in my brain

[dapper halo]

go, take a 20min nap

[balmy condor]

And you can’t play that

So we’re back to square one

And you can’t carry

[warm vortex]

But I got a cinderbrew neck to farmmmmm

[balmy condor]

So you’re useless again

[golden loom]

what a beautiful world it would be if the barrles were grippable

[balmy condor]

GG

[warm vortex]

I wanna push and for that I need big gear

[golden loom]

we would have no issues then..

[warm vortex]

Just spatter your green goo harder

[storm hedge]

I guess that. That's what I want you to say

[warm vortex]

I have no idea what the problem is

[deep gyro]

It’s like my dad used to say

[dapper halo]

what is more important, continued living or a game, think

[balmy condor]

Spec just sucks INSANELY hard at this one specific circumstance

And it just be like that

And none of us can do anything

[tall jay]

So…serious question , why is ToP so damn hard to time above a 9?

[balmy condor]

I mean it might sound rude or whatever but that’s just life sometimes

[grim jay]

I used to train on 3-4h of sleep and after working 9h

[warm vortex]

Both

Ok but for real

[grim jay]

just chug some more monsters

[warm vortex]

Imma take it easy

[dapper halo]

good boy

[warm vortex]

Never had a monster and most likely never will

Ik how addicting / dangerous energy drinks can be for you

Or fizzy drinks in general

Because I used to be

[balmy condor]

Assa is legit the worst target swapping spec in the game and all of our aoe realistically is from the target we’re hitting

[warm vortex]

And also iirc
Doesn’t red 3 mix badly with adhd or smth

[viscid spear]

Triglycerides

[balmy condor]

The only possible option for barrel damage that I could muster if you want to play the hero

Is dropping bone spike and playing CT

[warm vortex]

The cancer causing dye thing

[balmy condor]

And then just praying to the gods that the barrels are in range

[warm vortex]

Tbh I think just spatter and forget about it

[balmy condor]

But the moment you get a bad barrel spawn

[warm vortex]

As assassination there isn’t too much you can do

So it is what it is yknow

[balmy condor]

You’re right back to 0 dps

[warm vortex]

Unless you wanna drop CT as you said

[grim jay]

they are "fine" if you drink decent zero versions and if you need them, not every day all day

[warm vortex]

Fair but still

[grim jay]

and addiction is a mindset

#based

[deep gyro]

Just change specs and git gud

[warm vortex]

I’m more than happy with drinking water and tea

[warm vortex]

For me sorta true

[balmy condor]

Yeh honestly though

[warm vortex]

I’m pretty good at flat out cutting things out of my life

[balmy condor]

Like 2 hours on a dummy before raid on sub will do more barrel damage

[grim jay]

I cant drink water even if my life depended on it. I need some taste, water is just choosing to not enjoy life

[warm vortex]

Like I stopped eating chocolate, sweets, crisps the second I learnt how bad they were for me

[viscid spear]

My problem is looking like I'm target swapping so the RL doesn't complain

[deep gyro]

U play rogue, u dont play just assa. If u truly want to help ur guild/raid u practice each spec if possible and use when needed

[warm vortex]

Haven’t had them (minus chocolate on my bday and prolly Easter) since last September

[grim jay]

yeah, gotta play both rogue specs

all 2 of them

[balmy condor]

Except outlaw, that’ll never help your raid

[midnight mist]

Sub is probably one of the best spec in the game to mega hard carry barrels actually

[deep gyro]

I c what u did there

[midnight mist]

!!

[dapper halo]

good lick is not strategy, its just gambling

[balmy condor]

It definitely can under the right conditions yeh

[deep gyro]

I was just holding cds for 10-14 sec in that fight. Without wwatching timers too much and was top dam on barrels by a big gap.

[grim jay]

I dont eat chocolate or sweets either. its really a blessing, wouldnt ever think of buying any. might just take a piece if its served. never had issues with my teeth for example

[balmy condor]

But sub barrel damage is just nimble, and if that doesn’t reach and doesn’t line up then you’re also fucked

[warm vortex]

Yea fair

Same with takeout

Or fast food

Limited myself to once a month

[deep gyro]

Ur more fucked playing assa there regardless

[warm vortex]

And tbh I might just not have any from now on

[midnight mist]

no you just swap on the packs

[warm vortex]

Like maybe when I get curve I’ll order pizza, and when I pass my driving test I’ll do the same

[midnight mist]

and press sec tech

and they gone

[balmy condor]

All this talk about fucking I should call her

[deep gyro]

Just call quake he’ll oblige

[balmy condor]

Yeh I guess

Idk I see breakdowns where it’s like 75% nimble

[grim jay]

always depends on where you get it from and what you order. like a good pizza is really fine, same with sandwhich, chicken kebab and like baguettes

[balmy condor]

Hell if I know how that works

[midnight mist]

ye but like

[warm vortex]

That’s true

Idk if I’ve told you my diet rn but

I try not to snack, and if I do it’s usually toast or smth

Porridge + berries breakfast

Nuts + raisins + fruit for lunch

Chicken salad for dinner

[viscid spear]

Tell the RL to get a Sub because I'm wearing my horse blinders

[warm vortex]

I enjoy the taste of it and all of it is very easy to make every day

[dapper halo]

raisins :(

[warm vortex]

And plus it’s pretty good for me

[viscid spear]

Grape jerky

[dapper halo]

do you actually have horseyblinders

[viscid spear]

Every fight in Undermine is ST

[dapper halo]

also wtf is grape jerky

[midnight mist]

ye cause you just step to a clump and cleave from one generally, but in the end unless you are lucky, you wont really cleave from boss

[viscid spear]

Raisins

[dapper halo]

o.O

[grim jay]

sounds pretty good. I usually eat 2 slices of bread, followed by yogurt with berries, after work some wraps/rice/potatos with lean beef or chicken and later something with cream cheese, chickenbreast and/or lean-ish salami

[viscid spear]

am I wrong

[grim jay]

occassional 1-2 protein shakes inbetween somewhere

[warm vortex]

That’s fair

Tbh for uni I have a sandwich but ik it’s not as good as just nuts and berries
Inside is ham, lettuce and tomato

But yea

I’ve also started (and by started I mean like 3 months ago) Using natural sweeteners in my tee instead of sugar

[grim jay]

well its decent, personally dont like ham and I need to be somewhat picky to hit atleast 180g of protein

[warm vortex]

That’s fair

Tbh I mainly changed to eating like this cause of my body internally

[dapper halo]

protein cap is like 120grams

[grim jay]

nah

it depends on your weight and there is no scientifically proven cap on protein intake for musclegrowth

just a point of diminishing returns

[warm vortex]

Yea

[warm vortex]

Bro wth

[iron carbon]

Like my mastery? Damn

[warm vortex]

Diminishing returns

Bad game design

Fuck you hen

You beat me to the joke

:[

What’s next, borrowed power

[grim jay]

real life is the most unbalanced game

[warm vortex]

Or are those stereriods or something

[dapper halo]

borrowed powder

[iron carbon]

Kekw

This one was even better

[golden loom]

Cocaine is lust

[ionic pumice]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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[grim jay]

180g isnt even that impressive, ngl. seen people hitting insane numbers even as casual gym'ers

[warm vortex]

If I see someone in the bathroom do a line then mimic the BL roar my life is complete

[iron carbon]

So tea is coffee or stay tea?

[grim jay]

I weigh 98kg and cant seem to get consistently above 180g without trying too hard.

[blazing pumice]

it's like 1.5g/kg of body weight

[warm vortex]

I weigh like 80KG or so rn

[blazing pumice]

don't be noobs

[warm vortex]

Used to weigh a lot more

But I lost some fatttttt

[dapper halo]

i really need ozempis

[trim oak]

eating a lot (of good food) is a hard

[warm vortex]

Tbh it also can be expensive for some ppl

[trim oak]

100%

I like how most diet suggest to include a lot of fish

[trim oak]

but fish actually has the same value of gold

[dapper halo]

sadly snd does not heal us in real life, it instead just gives jail time

[warm vortex]

Me (I’m literally some dude studying computer forensics who plays wow. Aka the least active lifestyle)

[grim jay]

definitely, I sometimes sit there in the evening trying to figure out how I fill the 900 kalories I have left. you can just eat so much healthy shit its crazy

[warm vortex]

Tbh I don’t think I eat enough calories

[ionic pumice]

anyone got a wa that can track duration of both envenom stacks?

[blazing pumice]

people who think eating lots of protein makes you muscly are the same people who think eating fruit makes your cum sweet

[warm vortex]

But I just don’t wanna get fat

[warm vortex]

Whispyr had a good one

[warm vortex]

Bro what

[ionic pumice]

im using luxthos and does not have one

[grim jay]

I like LEs

[warm vortex]

Never heard that before

[grim jay]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

I’ve heard fruit makes you shit or something

[blazing pumice]

the myth is pineapple or whatever makes your semen taste sweeter

[dapper halo]

coffee makes me poop

[trim oak]

Pineapple and a lot of water

[grim jay]

thats not a myth

[trim oak]

But I mean..I'm not a chef

[warm vortex]

Never said it was haha

My diet is whatever my mom makes me

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[foggy raptor]

hey - is dungeon slice good for assa m+ sims?

[blazing pumice]

yes

[royal lantern]

Yes Chef

[warm vortex]

YES CHEF!

[glacial scroll]

In raid I have been throwing a big rupture onto adds for energy regeneration when it's going to die soon. Is this bad or good

[iron carbon]

Refund energy and lose damages

Math doesn't math

[glacial scroll]

I wasn't sure if the extra envenoms I can get out because of it was worth vs just sitting there waiting for energy

[iron carbon]

You rupture target if it will live long enough to make it worth

E.g. you can maybe rupture 2 big adds on last boss

But not the little shit on rik

There's not a lot of thing you wanna rupture, unless it spawn and you got 5+ cp that you can instant apply as a rupture

[glacial scroll]

Guess it just feels good to max out your energy again nearly and keep envenom buff up vs sitting around feeling starved. But wasn't sure how the math was working out in the end

[lusty kraken]

damn I've been doing that too

[iron carbon]

Ask @balmy condor

He loves maths

It's a Math guy

[balmy condor]

An object in motion stays in motion, I can’t remember the last time I was still, no Bourne but I’m boutta leave a legacy, the way I got the paper when I’m writing checks I raise the gdp of 3 countries and trigger global inflation, DEI my bands the way my portfolio diversified. My life not a movie it’s a live stream it don’t get realer than this, I got POs showing up to the opp block now it’s the poop block, that’s enough shit talking. They could never put me in a box but call me jack the way I’m in her box, call me jack the way I got beans in stock, call me Humpty Dumpty the way I refuse to fall off, I don’t put my eggs in the same basket, no one uses those anymore I’m putting my eggs in hellcats and bitcoin, goin breakneck speeds in my Mercedes while I get speedy neck from Mercedes til I break. Call me Elton the way she going ballistic on my John, rocket man like the cuban missile crisis the way a Cuban sis cry on my missile, call me Elton John the way I’m taking bennies on my jet. My money fornicating in my 401k, asking me how many licks I hit I said 4 in 1 day, I’m trapping knowledge and power, my trap house is a library, put a bookmark on your block because I’m gonna come back to it later, I don’t come up with plans, plans come up with me as a solution, I charge my ideas rent to stay in my brain, 10 toes down I’m standing on graves, praying for my opps to rise from the dead so I have something to do, my vernacular spectacular, my jargon viral the way it’s self replicating and spreading, I don’t know which is more critical my condition or my thinking, I got mistresses banging my line for advice, I got advice asking me what to do, I got a hunnid hoes in the Cadillac getting insurance from Aflac, I got employees completing journeys through Baghdad, my shit international I got a fin named jörgin jerkin with jergens, im on one because being on two would be one too many

[grim jay]

based

[glacial scroll]

So what youre saying is it's good

[balmy condor]

Idk I didn’t read the question

[iron carbon]

Rupture dying add for energy

[balmy condor]

This shit again?

[iron carbon]

Yup

[balmy condor]

Didn’t we just fucking do this 30 minutes ago

[golden loom]

its only been 2 hours since the last convo

this shit is the twillight zone

[iron carbon]

He wants the maths

[glacial scroll]

I dunno I've been reading about protein the last hour

[iron carbon]

Based

[balmy condor]

TLDR if the add you rupture lives 8 seconds it’s neutral anything more than that is a minor gain for overall damage

[lusty kraken]

so it's not a complete mistake

pog

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s also questionable at best

[iron vapor]

I'll add to that with "if you're an absolute robot and can apply those ruptures exactly on the GCD"

[balmy condor]

Mfers be slamming like 4cp ruptures onto random adds

[iron vapor]

Otherwise you're just losing time on the boss

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[red schooner]

I just like having energy so sometimes, as a treat, I throw out a rupture

Is it not good for me? Yes

[blazing pumice]

if you're energy depleted/not wasting gcds, it doesn't seem like there's any harm in throwing out a rupture

[glacial scroll]

I just like to smash my envenoms so when I can keep doing that then it feels good to do. Numbers are still doing fine but I want to do what's best of course

[red schooner]

Do I feel better after doing it? Also yes

[lusty kraken]

I play outlaw, being out of energy goes against my religion

[iron vapor]

Where are you getting the CP if you're energy depleted?

[balmy condor]

Except the waste of time and cp and mark progress on the boss yeah

Aside from all the downsides to hitting random shit with shit finishers, it’s great

[blazing pumice]

isn't the net energy gain higher than the cp gen/rupture cost?

[brazen sluice]

hi , for last boss's ring sim , does normal simming count party the ring steals from? or do i need expert mode? coz gally ring is simming lower then siren isle's ring

[lusty kraken]

do you guys still try to avoid proccing thistle tea?

[balmy condor]

I feel like I’m in Groundhog Day

[red schooner]

Nah I just send it

[iron vapor]

I don't, just send it.

[autumn magnet]

But if I'm in between cooldowns, say 15 sec before deathmark comes up again, and I wanna pool energy anyway, is it not worth it to throw the rupte for instant 130-150 energy gain that u could not pool until DM?

[iron carbon]

No

[balmy condor]

Didn’t I just say 8 seconds for the add is neutral in perfect conditions

[iron vapor]

Especially in the burst window at the start of the fight where everything is on

[lusty kraken]

damn they actually made assa idiot-proof huh

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t actually steal stats, you just get bonus stats, they don’t lose any

[iron carbon]

Gaining 130 energy that you'll use to build am envenom again?

[balmy condor]

Well if it’s before deathmark comes up again you’re not pooling to begin with so the whole hypothetical instantly falls apart

[storm hedge]

You don't need to pool for DM tho. DM gives you so much energy

[warm vortex]

What 24 hours of nonstop slop questions does to a MF

[red schooner]

I'll find a way to fuck it up don't you worry

Idiot proof doesn't exist, god will just make a bigger idiot (me)

[balmy condor]

Yes and we still spend 80% of conversations in here overthinking the spec to insane amounts for shit that doesn’t make a difference

[glacial scroll]

It's all we got man gotta min MAX

[iron carbon]

Real

[storm hedge]

We are not all math gods like you whispyr we are sorry

[lusty kraken]

idk man outlaw and sub are always finding new ways to min-max stuff

[spice surge]

People are overcooking sub too

[glacial scroll]

I've been playing rogue for a couple expansions now and everyone's always mad at me whether it's F or S tier. Gotta keep that energy rolling

[iron carbon]

If new way to minmax are found, you'll see it in pins

[lusty kraken]

I'm still not doing the backstab thing, it just feels too awkward

[spice surge]

Trying to minmax danse macabre or tier set for example

[iron vapor]

That's the great bit about Assassination tho, your burst windows are pretty much just a mechanical 'push buttons in this order - profit' and outside of that it's just maintain your DOTs on the boss and get in as many 5+ envenoms as you can

[royal lantern]

People are overcooking everything in wow

[iron vapor]

Full smooth brain. Even if it's worse than sub/outlaw on the meters I'm playing assassination because it means I can autopilot it and concentrate on avoiding all the shit on the ground

[lusty kraken]

assa is good now after the buffs though

[balmy condor]

If I’m in 4 Target and got blindside and vicious but also 2 of the adds are dying in 6 seconds and the 3rd add is dying in 10 and the boss is in execute but I don’t have cp and I’m in lingering but I don’t have clear the witnesses do I fok for cp or mut

Follow up question if I get >3 cp from the fok if I crit and I’m at 27.3 energy with Kingsbane coming up in 4.5 seconds but I’m going to have downtime when I’m about to hit my second shiv and lose the empowerment on that specific tick (tick #4 to be precise, does it then make sense to rupture that add which now would have 9 seconds remaining or should I build again

[loud hearth]

What's the best play to kill far barrels then, just Mut and Env on them?

[royal lantern]

yes

[red schooner]

no

[iron vapor]

Yeah I was doing much better on the meters last night with no real change in my play, other than not vanishing

[royal lantern]

but only if you play orc

[fresh pelican]

maybe

[red schooner]

I don't know

[iron carbon]

Y
You don't

[fresh pelican]

can you repeat the question ?

[lusty kraken]

I was looking at details and mutilate was doing more damage than kingsbane for me

that's crazy

[royal lantern]

you cleave them

if they are not in cleave range, its not on you

[red schooner]

You're not the boss of me now

[iron vapor]

Say whaaaaaaat? It's not for me.

[royal lantern]

Kingsbane is kinda "weak" for a while now

[iron vapor]

Kingsbane is fairly consistently my 3-4th highest

[royal lantern]

at the same time, mut is your most used ability, got a buff and you play talents that buff it

[iron vapor]

Depending on the boss ofc

[royal lantern]

[red schooner]

Kingsbane weak, dry shiv though? Good times

[balmy condor]

Kingsbane is also 1 gcd every minute and not eating 60 energy every time you press it

So like

[warm vortex]

hat about dry kingsbane

[balmy condor]

Kind of a bad comparison

[warm vortex]

It's part of your rota

[balmy condor]

But yeh

[warm vortex]

One of the spells of all time

[royal lantern]

why are we not using KB more often, are we stupid?

[lusty kraken]

yeah but still I was surprised to see how much damage mutilate does now

[red schooner]

Dry kingsbane doesn't give me a 14 mil crit though

[trim oak]

I miss sepsis

[balmy condor]

Vicious venoms is a powerful talent yeh

[warm vortex]

ctually can someone show ST damage meters for Mutilate

IM curious

[warm vortex]

Bro no

sepsis was yucky

[midnight atlas]

We still pool?

[balmy condor]

No

[midnight atlas]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it
• Super Min-Max stuff includes avoiding the auto proc of tea (less than +0.2%, tea/shiv macro is optimal)
• Refreshing Envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it (mostly relevant for m+ without TTK, can be up to 0.5%)
• Otherwise nothing matters. Pooling before kingsbanes isn't important because of tea lining up and deathmark giving a huge surge of energy

[iron vapor]

It's rare that I get less than 8-9mil damage out of a kingsbane. For one GCD every minute I'll 100% take that.

[balmy condor]

Fuck

That’s wrong

Ignore that

Haven’t updated

[lusty kraken]

so what should be the update

[blazing kayak]

any rules for mindnumbing vs atrophic? as in certain dungs you run a specific one in? also master assassin vs iron wire in 13-15ish keys?

[balmy condor]

Deleting the command

[lusty kraken]

"nothing matters, just send"?

[warm vortex]

Wait

[midnight atlas]

Mut envenom on gcd auto drink all the tea

[warm vortex]

Did they somehow fix ST energy in M+?

[red schooner]

Nah

[royal lantern]

allright, and whats the problem there?

[balmy condor]

Generally always should be numbing but if you’re coping that a 3.6% dr will save your group from getting one shot then I guess run that

[midnight atlas]

We need 20 stacks of tea

[balmy condor]

No?

[dense cove]

Is assa performing better than sub on most fights now? Or pretty even?

[lusty kraken]

the boomers here will get angry if you imply having low resources all the time is not peak gameplay

[red schooner]

I'll still drink it in a minute

[indigo mulch]

I mean 3.6% less damage taken by 10 mobs is quite a lot of damage no?

[warm vortex]

Never said it was bad for gamplay

[loud hearth]

I fully understand this, but if everyone says "it's not on me" then no one kills the barrels and we don't kill boss. 😅

[balmy condor]

3.6% less in fact, yes

[warm vortex]

Was just confused how you have energy efficiency in ST while not pooling for M+

[red schooner]

Gotta get my micronaps in somewhere

[red schooner]

We don't

[iron carbon]

It depends if you want to reduce group damages or tank damages

[lusty kraken]

wrong, if you are fighting 10 mobs that's like 36% reduced damage

[dapper halo]

what does a disco goat look like

[balmy condor]

Mb

[royal lantern]

the "boomers" here are annoyed that people cry about it, when there are over 30fucking Others specs in the game you guys could play

but nooooooo, have to complain about assa/sub being slower and that its bad

[blazing kayak]

ty @balmy condor

[iron carbon]

Ask you ranged to be good

[warm vortex]

So how does ST in dungeons look now

[red schooner]

Idk, I'm discombobulated, disco goat is my cousin but he's camera shy

[iron carbon]

Baf

[balmy condor]

Exactly the same

[red schooner]

I turn off the meters for that bit and turn them back on for trash

[warm vortex]

Oh
Wiat so were we not meant to pool in ST S1?

[lusty kraken]

things changed

[balmy condor]

I mean you kinda did

But not really, no

[warm vortex]

Ah ok ok

[red schooner]

Single target in m+ ain't my job.

[warm vortex]

Fair

[royal lantern]

you literally cant swap

if the barrels are not in melee range, its either a tank problem cus they dont move the boss

or a ranged problem cus they dont do their barrels

why do you wanna "fix" a problem that is literally not on you

[warm vortex]

Guessing if you just use your teas properly you wont auto proc so theres no reason to hold off on pressing shit

[lusty kraken]

at that point just swap to outlaw if you want to dps barrels so bad

[royal lantern]

if a ranged barrel doesnt die and somebody would tell me "damm, its cus you need to play sub and nuke it", i would press a pillow on their head at night

[balmy condor]

You will auto proc it

[balmy condor]

Sub*

[iron carbon]

Enjoy intermission

[lusty kraken]

idk using cds as sub on barrels feels kinda bad

[warm vortex]

God i am so confusedx
So you don't pool in St and just go through your teas in St because youll always have one ready for the KB windo

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it’s the spec you play if you want to do barrel damage

[red schooner]

Ye

[warm vortex]

Ahhhh ok

I get it now

[iron vapor]

If your raid DPS is so shit you're having to use cooldowns on barrels you have bigger problems

[balmy condor]

Okay lemme break it down real easy

Say you have 50 energy, so you press mutilate. Now you don’t have 50 energy. Repeat this process forever

[iron vapor]

Hahahaha

[loud hearth]

Yeah I played Sub on Rik and didn't really see the point.

[warm vortex]

Lmao

[royal lantern]

what if i have 60 energy

[balmy condor]

You won’t

[royal lantern]

wtf

[iron vapor]

Then you're next mutilate comes slightly sooner.

[lusty kraken]

I play sub too and I just passively cleave them

[balmy condor]

You gotta go past 50 to get to 60

[lusty kraken]

I still use cds on boss

[warm vortex]

What if im a gamer and i press backstab instead

[nova kelp]

man this new discord is absolutely beautiful

[balmy condor]

New Chinese discord build discovered

Is that bit widespread enough to be funny

[brazen sluice]

luv it when i see u get tilted

[storm hedge]

I was thinking the same think like an hour before. But as whispyr put it, best case scenario, you have dn you swap you bleed you get big envenom and you do like 10 mil damage to the barrel in that 12-15 seconds. In the best case scenario. Other spec can do that in 4 while not moving.

[golden loom]

Chinese pooling tech so you can target swap rik barrels

[balmy condor]

I’m more calm now than I was an hour ago

[nova kelp]

idk wwhy but that bit made me very audibly laugh

[brazen sluice]

if thats the case then how does the sim calc which stat gally ring is getting?

[balmy condor]

Randomly

[brazen sluice]

aha kk ty

[balmy condor]

Np

[red schooner]

At least he hasn't put us in slowmode this time

[nova kelp]

gtive it time

[brazen sluice]

[lusty kraken]

I imagine Whispyr trying to pool his sanity, then bam, someone posts a dumb question on discord and he has to spend his sanity and he's out of thistle tea (monster energy drink)

[royal lantern]

#assassination should always have 10sec slowmode

[golden loom]

Cooldown sequence of !stats !design !meow

[iron vapor]

Does a whole bunch of passes choosing randomly each time and gives you the mean average at the end - it's as close to representative as you're going to get.

[loud hearth]

It's more:

• Fire mage: no I won't swap to far barrel, my ignite
• Boomkin: no I won't swap to far barrel, my starfire AoE
• Hunter: no I won't swap to far barrel, my beast cleave
• Melee: no I won't swap to far barrel, my cleave/uptime

Just hard to tell others to swap when you won't yourself is the tough part 😅

[balmy condor]

Slow mode helps when people show up and hammer their keyboard for the most basic questions known to man without opening pins or a guide or anything, expecting the regulars and myself to be their personal ChatGPT chatbot and answer them in a concise and respectful manner even when they give 0 context to their question and it was answered 5 times in the last 10 minutes if they had just bothered to read the message still on their screen, or use the search function, or the pins, or a guide

That sadly ain’t the case when we go in circles on rik barrels for the 75th time today

[royal lantern]

yes

tanks have to do their job for once

[iron vapor]

Or 'single target mode'

[royal lantern]

ik that most tanks get a irl brain bluescreen when they have Gameplay beyond "taunt at X stacks"

but, turns out, moving the boss to barrels so they can get cleaved down and then move it back to the amplifier bait spoot is kinda their gameplay

[iron vapor]

But like, do I switch to the barrels on Rik to spread DOTs? Should I spec IC to make it easier?

[spice surge]

No

[red schooner]

No

[spice surge]

Hit the boss

[red schooner]

You spatter

[balmy condor]

Okay that’s my cue to go back to sleep

[iron vapor]

That's sarcasm btw.

[golden loom]

[royal lantern]

gn8 champ

[iron vapor]

I don't even own a tab key, I cannot switch targets.

[storm hedge]

He is actually in Groundhog day

[red schooner]

Whispyr is asleep, time to spread false gospel about some obscure pooling tech

[balmy condor]

Y’all have fun theorycrafting a way to do prot paladin damage to rik barrels

Let me know if you guys figure something out

[golden loom]

I will send over the rik barrel bis list later

[storm hedge]

The correct way to swap for barrels is to poison knife each of them individually.

[lusty kraken]

guys just play the bleed build on rik

[balmy condor]

Sudden demise the barrels

[golden loom]

farm this dungeon for insane add damage! season 2 tww! broken!

[royal lantern]

active tank prot pala dmg, or 3rd tank strat prot pala dmg that can do more dmg abilitys?

[iron vapor]

Having done zero maths I think that pooling to 132 before barrels and then using FOK as a builder before applying ruptures is the way to go.

[red schooner]

What if we stay in stealth until barrels spawn and open on the barrels

[balmy condor]

I lost to active tank prot pala on Tuesday

We had 1 fire mage over the tank and 1 under

[balmy condor]

Boss was not on barrels

Such is life

[royal lantern]

i beat out the collosal prot warrior tank on barrel dmg

proud af

[balmy condor]

Was he afk

[royal lantern]

no, its popsong

popsong is not smart

he is a warrior

[golden loom]

looking at the log of the guilds rik kill yesterday, the 3rd tank paladin did 45m damage to barrles

probably better than what i wouldve done

[balmy condor]

Popsong like Rihanna?

[royal lantern]

no its his character name

[balmy condor]

Rihanna is his character name?

[dapper halo]

i just dont know what discombobulated means kekw

[iron vapor]

Ask a gnome

[spice surge]

[red schooner]

Confused

[balmy condor]

He said he doesn’t know what the word discombobulated means

Like your name

[red schooner]

Ah shit

[nova kelp]

he was discombobulated by your name

[balmy condor]

I’m discombobulated every time I open this chat

[nova kelp]

we can tell

[iron vapor]

Turns you into a leper gnome.

[balmy condor]

Tell me what

[spice surge]

Tell me why

[balmy condor]

Tell you why what

[dapper halo]

im just confused now by confused goats

[nova kelp]

mate\

[balmy condor]

No, you’re discombobulated and so is he

[red schooner]

Ye that's natural

[nova kelp]

goats ARE confusing

how they just jlike walk on walls like that

[balmy condor]

Feet

[spice surge]

Aint nothing but a heartache

[iron vapor]

Square pupils, gives them mega wall climbing trekkers

[royal lantern]

bro, look at their eyes

crazy mfs

goats are scary

wall walk hacks + demon eyes

[nova kelp]

my gf wears goat eye contacts sometimes

[grim jay]

I have the same eyes

[balmy condor]

I find that hard to believe, it’s very hard to have goat eye contact considering the cross eye and the head shape and all that

[dapper halo]

goat eye contract, what are we talking about

oh, contact

[balmy condor]

LeBron James staring into my soul

[dapper halo]

whos that

[balmy condor]

The goat

That’s making eye contact

[grim jay]

I thought thats messi

[balmy condor]

Different goat

[dapper halo]

how can someone be goat, me not get it

[balmy condor]

Freak science accident

[red schooner]

Bitten by a radioactive goat

[static glacier]

Yo, what class would be strongest at 5 min 8t patchwerk? What about 20 targets

[balmy condor]

I feel a tumor

[static glacier]

Chill

[analog field]

If we have 2 active trinkets e.g. seaforium and signet when do we use each ?

[static glacier]

Got some fire mage arguing fire isn’t strong and it’s just bc this raid has cleave

Was Gona give the wind lord example

[balmy condor]

Seaforium is a passive trinket problem solved

[static glacier]

Making destro and uh and some other specs broken

[analog field]

aaaaah lol i am totally stupid ty

[iron vapor]

Just don't, get a passive trinket to go with your best active.

[analog field]

all these days i am trying to understand how to fit in 2 active trinkets coz i thought seaforium is active

[red schooner]

Fires not strong it's just very very good in the main piece of progression content we'll be playing for the next few months.

So... Strong, yeah?

[iron vapor]

Yeah, fire vs Ragnaros... Very weak.

[balmy condor]

More likely that fire is strong because it went into a patch weak and got a 597% buff week 2 and now is just strong

But fires aoe is just caustic but fire

So would stand to reason that they’re just good

[iron vapor]

"my class/spec isn't strong" - don't play it then?

[static glacier]

I think the way it can be stacked up even before adds spawn make it mechanically more powerful

[viscid spear]

🫏

[balmy condor]

Valid take

[iron vapor]

Or do play it but if you know it's not strong, don't complain.

[static glacier]

Once adds are actually on the boss I think we are better

[balmy condor]

But if I can’t complain what else will I do on the Internet

[iron vapor]

There's this thing called porn right, hard to explain it without visual aids, but it's videos and pictures of other people having sex.

I've heard it's very popular online.

A friend told me anyway, I haven't managed to find any yet.

[balmy condor]

Idk if you’ve seen the comments on porn but those guys like to complain a lot too

[hardy rapids]

Who will write our guides now

[balmy condor]

The tumor

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-in-philadelphia-naked-pics-online-where-disgusting-meme-mac-gif-22972301

[iron vapor]

Hahahaha, I don't even look at YouTube comments ... Porn comments would be on a whole other level.

[hardy rapids]

Resident evil type of tumor

[sonic schooner]

What am i coming to

[hardy rapids]

Tumors

[iron vapor]

Imagine thinking it was worth the bending of your fingers to write those comments

[sonic schooner]

[balmy condor]

I’m the slime monster baby’s dad but I’m also a slime monster

[iron vapor]

We're talking about something non rogue related while we wait for 150 energy to pool so we can absolutely blast the barrels on Rik Reverb

[viscid spear]

Is that why we don't have the Tricks podcast thing anymore, because you sound like Arnold Schwarzenegger?

[nova kelp]

richard reverberation?

[iron vapor]

Dick Wobbler

[lusty kraken]

Whispyr aren’t you supposed to be sleeping

[grim jay]

whispyr doesnt sleep

[nova kelp]

rik reverbs always talking shit on twitter

[grim jay]

he injects monsters

[iron vapor]

What did the monsters ever do to him?

[iron vapor]

And is he a licensed phlebotomist? This all seems very shady.

[wide ferry]

Bleed Build up to which key level? Im "pushing" 11's lol Wondering if Hybrid or bleed is the way to go now

[balmy condor]

No we don’t have the tricks podcast anymore cause when I joined on I specifically said I would only host it and find guests and other people would be in charge of organizing and then eventually they didn’t organize and I had to do that too and then eventually I said guys I can’t even organize between ourselves because you guys are making this insanely difficult and we don’t have a set schedule and I’m literally trying to get anything going and then we do it and I don’t get to moderate cause y’all go on rambles and cut me off and so I’m not gonna do it anymore, I’ll host but y’all gotta do more than yap and they said fair enough yeah that make sense and then we never talked about it ever again

[iron vapor]

Sounds like a skill issue.

[sonic schooner]

Behind the scenes leak

[viscid spear]

Collecting info for my A&E Biography special.
Ravenholdt: Behind the Tricks

[drifting cedar]

Is internal bleeding not viable on Carnage at all?

[severe meadow]

Likely doing Stix tonight, surely it’s more fun than Richard right?

[balmy condor]

It’s just worse

[golden loom]

spatter did 60m for me on mythic carnage, IB is not getting close to that

[viscid spear]

HC or M?

[severe meadow]

M

[viscid spear]

I have no idea then

[nova kelp]

we went sprocket instead of stix

it's a transition

[kind wren]

the 3% buff seems to be very useful

[grand trail]

Hey, does this channel still have space for rerollers?

[warm vortex]

Second 12 timed \o/

[woeful meteor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

Also BM is literally ranged assa

Top 2 dps sources are bleeds

[kind wren]

i played a 2.47M in WORK and a 1.97M in DFC

although i am not a good sin rogue player

[warm vortex]

I'm coming here for a momnent

BM chat is more BM than usual

[hardy rapids]

The slime monsters baby dad but also the exact same slime monster

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[kind wren]

i have some questions about the secondary stat

the BIS table in wowhead(thanks to whispyr)

it says 4 tier sets(hand head shoulder pants) and a crit mast chest from motherlode is the BIS

although haste has less value than crit and mast, why use the head tier(haste and vers) and the hand(haste and crit) tier?

[warm vortex]

Well

Bis tables are only there because they need to be

they are unreliable

Just sim your gear intead

It's much better, much more reliable and also can be more conveniant

[kind wren]

haven't tried to sim my gear

do i need the addon?

[red schooner]

Simming is good! You should probably get the simc addon

Because it'll then pick up gear in your bags and let you sim them vs your current gear

[versed gulch]

In most cases that BIS table would be you having that exact combination of items at those exact items levels. Definitely get comfortable simming for more realistic results

[warm vortex]

https://support.raidbots.com/article/54-installing-and-using-the-simulationcraft-addon

[fringe spear]

addon is extremely lightweight

it's very tiny

[red schooner]

Yeah, addon just gives you some text to copy into the raidbots website

[golden loom]

meow

[kind wren]

thanks for the advices guys

siphorium is not being dropped and feeling quite sad about it

[warm vortex]

Keep gambling

[viscid spear]

BM can stand for more than just Beast Mastery.
Makes sense when you think about it

[lusty kraken]

Big Meat

[warm vortex]

B e a r m a s t e r

Big meat
Bear master
Beer master
Big mister
Beast mister

[lusty kraken]

bad manners

[warm vortex]

True

Literally

[neat jacinth]

Anyone playing bleed build in M+ after the patch and has some vods to watch?

[warm vortex]

i can boil all my mistakes, rude shit, and fuck ups to

"I'm a hunter now, just playing in character"

[gusty mirage]

true and real

my favorite BM hunter moment was on fyrakk prog where we were short some people so we put in a trial BM hunter who said he would SMOKE our hunter (who was a mage who rerolled btw and never had played BM hunter before). Proceeded to get dumpstered by this guy with worse gear than him, and he kept crying that he had to move during the blazes

he requested that literally everyone in the raid adjust EXCEPT the people with the blazes

because 6 people adjusting is way worse than 14.

[quasi coyote]

whats the benefit of running supercharger over double vanish/subterfuge in keys

better single target?

[west crown]

just to lose more aoe than you gain st

[solar wyvern]

With this seasons dungeon pool, MA+subt is just the way to go ino

Last season had more merit for supercharge 2x lethality

[quasi coyote]

i mean true it just sucks doing mid st in keys

[solar wyvern]

Thats just not your job, is what it is

[quasi coyote]

if u dropped subterfuge u would also drop ma right

[grim jay]

average ranged dps statement if they need to do something for once

[solar wyvern]

You're the aoe monster with big prio

[quasi coyote]

like theres no reason 4 it

[solar wyvern]

Yeah you play SD+TTK

[gusty mirage]

esp because it's very difficult for BM hunters to do damage while moving

[quasi coyote]

aoe monster but i get smoked by ele/boomkin :(

[gusty mirage]

same guy also blew up the raid on smolderon because he couldn't move in time apparently

figure that one out for me

[quasi coyote]

the prio dam is goated tho

[solar wyvern]

The higher keys get, the longer things live, and the more value assa gains

[grim jay]

we had multiple of those that needed some time on the bench to get their heads straight

[solar wyvern]

Problem is in these 15s packs live like 40 seconds

[gusty mirage]

we booted him and then he went to Ghost Gaming and tried overthrowing blas0n

[quasi coyote]

yea i mean ive been doing 14/13s and still feel like mobs die too fast sometimes

[hardy dagger]

Ghost gaming

[solar wyvern]

Okay this is insane lore

[gusty mirage]

he also would try to have a breakdown of what he think all 19 people did wrong and how our RL was wrong after every pull

[quasi coyote]

with fire mage/boomie/ele in my grp

[hardy dagger]

Never forget

190bpm on razageth

[gusty mirage]

I muted him 20 minutes into his first run with us

[whole stratus]

The guides say Crit > Mastery but from what I can see people still favor Mastery over Crit, why is that?

[golden loom]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hardy dagger]

Sims says mastery goodge

[quasi coyote]

@solar wyvern ttk or sd in higher keys this season what do u think

last season i ran ttk over sd but i forget why

[solar wyvern]

Probably SD 15% bleed insane but i would ask the actual assa gods

[golden loom]

SD op

[quasi coyote]

yea idk i remember hearing ttk was better afcter it got buffed in higher end content

[solar wyvern]

I picked up this game only last year

[quasi coyote]

shit last year ? whats ur io from last season

u a natural gifted gamer?

[solar wyvern]

Like 3498 or something

[gusty mirage]

charrend is a gamer

[quasi coyote]

this guy

[solar wyvern]

Aw ty oxi

[gusty mirage]

you're all gamers tbh

esp considering you guys make up like the top 5% of wow players performance wise

[solar wyvern]

Gamers playing a silly game frealfreal nocap ongod

[gusty mirage]

I'd say something nuts like 95% of wow players don't even read guides, let alone join discord servers to actively look at resources

maybe 90%

[quasi coyote]

i mean charrend bro ur ce / 3500io no shot u started last year

[gusty mirage]

iirc aotc is like the top 18% of the playerbase lol

[grim jay]

same, I'm only here to look at you and @spice spire

[subtle tundra]

its in the name

[quasi coyote]

show me the carfacts

[golden loom]

starting retail last year 🤝

[solar wyvern]

Wait shit

Voti was 2 years ago now jesus

[runic inlet]

What spec did you mainly push on?

[solar wyvern]

Okay 2 years* ago

[subtle tundra]

[runic inlet]

Sin I take it

[gusty mirage]

DF was a banger to start with

you skipped the shittiest expac ever

fuck shadowlands

[golden loom]

TWW felt very nice to start in also

[quasi coyote]

so u started in df s1?

same bro pog

but apparently ur just the main charachter

[solar wyvern]

I played like mega casual off n on in legion and bfa but i dont consider that

[grim jay]

bfa was the worst mate

[fast jewel]

But EoN

[quasi coyote]

unluckyt 4 me

[gusty mirage]

no shot

not even fucking close

[gusty mirage]

maybe one day we'll get another fancy dagger

[grim jay]

its the only xpac that legit made me quit

[gusty mirage]

I was forced to prog anduin

BFA never did that to me

and after like 300 pulls my RL goes "HEY MAN DO YOU WANNA SIT FOR THIS BOSS?"

[spice spire]

@subtle tundra 0 parse looking mf

[gusty mirage]

like no

fuck you

[spice spire]

I vividly remember their prog kill to this day

[grim jay]

sepulcher was the only raid I didnt like in shadowlands

[gusty mirage]

I died early to prevent a wipe before the 2nd intermission

[spice spire]

So you didn’t like a third of the raids

[gusty mirage]

wanna know what my contribution to boss dam was in the intermission with like 1000% inc damage?

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

2%.

[solar wyvern]

I legit just got really lucky and surrounded myself with good player and learned from them. went aotc guild > mythic guild > ce guild > break > ce guild > met a bunch of mega m+ gamers and then got better through them and now hof guild

[grim jay]

I didnt like 100% of them in bfa

[gusty mirage]

that was the difference

[grim jay]

so

[gusty mirage]

battle for dazaralor was a banger

EP was a banger

we pretend crucible never happened

[spice spire]

I only returned in nyalotha

[gusty mirage]

and nyalotha was a banger

[spice spire]

So I cannot speak for bfa

[gusty mirage]

3/4 > 2/3

get fucked davyn

[spice spire]

I liked all of sl raids in retrospect

[gusty mirage]

I never did uldir

so I can't speak for that

[nova shadow]

Guys how much dps are you doing in rookery 10 and above

[spice spire]

Also bring back like one off mini raids

[gusty mirage]

fuck you

crucible was atrocious

[spice spire]

2.5m. Last rookery I think was 3.2?

[grim jay]

I didnt like the small raid in legion

what was it called again

[nova shadow]

3.2m overall ?

[gusty mirage]

@shrewd night ban this guy quake, he wants raids like crucible of storms back

[spice spire]

Yes

[nova shadow]

was envenom top dps spell ?

[shrewd night]

I dont get it

Uunat was goated

[gusty mirage]

oh my god

I hate it here

[grim jay]

uunat

[spice spire]

No

[shrewd night]

Dont hate us because you aint us

[gusty mirage]

@stuck knoll hold me

[spice spire]

Spatter because I did hybrid

[nova shadow]

I also play spatter but damn my rookery is bad I cant pass 2.5m overall

and am 659

[gusty mirage]

a lot of it has to do with how a tank pulls the dungeon

fwiw

[lost wolf]

^

[shrewd night]

Yeah, imagine if you cant get stealth off between packs

[gusty mirage]

OKAY SHIENNAR

[shrewd night]

( )

[gusty mirage]

fucking feral druids man

[spice spire]

Delete this nephew

[grim jay]

even worse if you dont have crit cap