assassination

[drowsy verge]

last two pieces of veteran gear are helm and cloak, I don't want to make the mistake of crafting a set piece slot again like I did on my shaman cause I then turned around and got like 3 hero level side grades for the legs I crafted

[final star]

[runic hinge]

cant be trusting my pugs

[waxen oyster]

Go do delves

[final star]

on the hopgoblin

singular focus

[balmy condor]

How bout you hopgoblin on dn

[clever topaz]

is there a new updated talent build for m+?

[balmy condor]

No

[final star]

I need to add my own cat

to the cat meme talent background

[balmy condor]

Open pins

Or guides

[clever topaz]

ty ty

just saw it after i wrote it

thank u rogue guru whispyr

[balmy condor]

[meager crane]

how we lookin boys

good?

[waxen oyster]

Implying spec was bad before

[meager crane]

where did i do that

[waxen oyster]

idk buff is free dps

thats really all there is to it

[meager crane]

insufferable

[waxen oyster]

DN on yo chin

[hexed frost]

Is cleave build (no scent no demise no spikes) worth it on keys (11-12+)?

[waxen oyster]

Waiting for all the WR 1k guild players saying they got "forced" to playing sub.

[hexed frost]

[waxen oyster]

Before the buff

Like genuinely i cant see a boss so far where sub is blatantly better.

Maybe mythic gally has better cd timings for sub.

[spice surge]

Unless you have multiple monks the cc immune adds at 1:50 on bandit aint great to deal with as assa

[waxen oyster]

oh true

You have to spawn those?

[spice surge]

I mean no you have need to, but its the strat most guilds have used

[waxen oyster]

I need someone to confirm

What determines spawn point of barrels on rik.

[burnt venture]

no changes to hybrid build in m+, correct?

just bleed build

[waxen oyster]

Its not entirely random is it

[spice surge]

It is

Just around him

[waxen oyster]

How tf do some barrels spawn

[lethal arrow]

banger weekly box

[balmy condor]

okay you know what

[waxen oyster]

in east bumblefuck

[balmy condor]

at this point

[soft surge]

is this no ma no imp garrote considered a grandpa gamer build?

[balmy condor]

Hybrid M+ builds did not change, Bleed M+ builds take blindside, Raid builds take VV, see wowhead or other pin for info

[balmy condor]

and we fucking pray I guess

[burnt venture]

god bless this man^

[waxen oyster]

Whispyr pretty sure you proved

people cant read

or wont

[spice spire]

This was already in the notes

[spice spire]

Where’s the YouTube short for the pookies

[agile locust]

How many stacks should we use at lingering with magnet?

[balmy condor]

too busy spam calling comcast

[spice spire]

God bless

[balmy condor]

the end of lingering

[coral ibex]

one macro a day to improve your gameplay?

[balmy condor]

fuck the stacks

you just hit it

[soft surge]

w/e the wear tells u

[waxen oyster]

just wear pacemaker

or mechano core

no need to worry about magnet

[agile locust]

Regardless of how many stacks?

[waxen oyster]

Did 2 floodgates, 2 pacemakers

Really that shrimple

[balmy condor]

is this thing on

[severe meadow]

Yes, just send at the end of LD. You wouldn’t hold it for another DM cycle for a few more stacks of it

[waxen oyster]

whispyr if i macro magnet to my entire spellbook

how much dps would i lose

hypothetically

[balmy condor]

uh like 0.9%

[waxen oyster]

[golden loom]

Just macro /camp to all abilities

[quaint spindle]

wowhead M+ build is not updated, ast least for me. what do we drop in order to acquire blindside in M+

[waxen oyster]

it is updated

?

[quaint spindle]

again

[worn sorrel]

Is it updated

?

[severe meadow]

[golden loom]

there is no way the pin was made 10 seconds ago

and we cannot read

[west crown]

[waxen oyster]

thats hybrid

[golden loom]

like the pin message is still fresh in the channel

[waxen oyster]

congrats

Man is proving whispyr's point

that people dont click past the cheat sheet

[molten crow]

Im sure this has been asked hundreds of time and im sorry, but how do I sim properly for m+?

[west crown]

dungeon slice is good for sin

[burnt venture]

Dslice

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-chungus-life-stupid-chungus-life-gif-542581486001153341

[molten crow]

Thanks boo

[waxen oyster]

patchwerk sim+brain

[spice spire]

He’s how I imagine you act irl

[runic hinge]

unreal it wasnt even 20 messages up and its in bold and here we are

[waxen oyster]

#assassination message

[subtle tundra]

broooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wowhead baited so hard

[waxen oyster]

this was just 4 days ago

[subtle tundra]

no mugzee hp nerfs

[balmy condor]

I literally just don't know what to do

[subtle tundra]

basically no nerfs

[balmy condor]

like I can't scream louder

[subtle tundra]

fuck your employers

[balmy condor]

or put information anywhere

I update wowhead, I make two pins, I make a youtube video

what am I supposed to do

[waxen oyster]

#assassination message

#assassination message

A meme told in 2 messages.

[red schooner]

make all potential posters in the channel take a quiz based on the pin content

simple

[runic hinge]

@balmy condor what server bans people for asking questions in the faq and can we get that here

[red schooner]

granted we'd lose 90% of the channel overnight

[west crown]

anything come of those sims you were doing like 12 hours ago whispyr? or is that the blindside and fok note on the pin

[waxen oyster]

maybe hunter?

[balmy condor]

all the maplestory class discords

[waxen oyster]

i know azor is kinda

unhinged sometimes

[runic hinge]

lmfao

[severe meadow]

[waxen oyster]

based maplestory mods

[fleet pagoda]

[balmy condor]

to be fair

it is in the discords rules

[waxen oyster]

Wait

you're expecting people to read

10 is too far down

for most people

[balmy condor]

real

I mean

[burnt venture]

despairge

[balmy condor]

that's why they're getting kicked

[gilded dune]

to be honest, someone playing maplestory in 2025, it's totally sensible policy

[waxen oyster]

you say that

when we're playing wow

in 2025

[balmy condor]

unironically better than wow

[cerulean maple]

not ass related but what the fuck is with my UI

all friendly names are hyuge like this

[waxen oyster]

You also have people playing a version of wow that was solved over 15 years ago.

[gilded dune]

braindeads never played maplestory

that's just wow history

[quaint spindle]

who keybinds FoK to 1

[fleet pagoda]

he's ready to clear the witnesses

[balmy condor]

even financially they're going crazy, NA/EU maplestory had nearly 25% growth year to year, the fucking earnings call is going insane

[waxen oyster]

i bind fok to 6

like a real

[gilded dune]

I don't even have a 6 keybind like a REAL chad

[coral ibex]

erm fok goes on T

[waxen oyster]

If you cant reach 6 you have small hands.

[waxen oyster]

I don't make the rules.

[gilded dune]

I'm big son, but there's no reason to reach 6 when there's buttons under 5 key

[waxen oyster]

I mean wow needs barely any binds

game is pruned so hard

[fleet pagoda]

I have like 30 binds on brew

[golden loom]

monthly keybind comparison pics

[fleet pagoda]

what's the mystery macro?

[waxen oyster]

Why do you have sinful brand icon

[golden loom]

idk some guild macro thingy

[cerulean nest]

"The buff makes it so that blindside is +1 required target (so no blindside = 3, blindside = 4, m+ build with no blindside = 2, with blindside = 3)."

im not understanding this exactly. can someone elaborate?

[cerulean maple]

busy clearing witnesses sorry

[golden loom]

which one is that

[waxen oyster]

s-V

[golden loom]

ah its my clear focus

just wanted an X icon

[hot pasture]

guys, i need help on rick reber boss in mythic. My guild rotate me because i dont hit explosives but i try to hit them with caustic, any help?¿

[cerulean nest]

oh oh I see

so with both blindside and vv you would only fan on 5? or still just 4

[waxen oyster]

Yeah your tanks need to git gud

[balmy condor]

tell them to eat shit, caustic is your aoe

[balmy condor]

3 + 1 + 1 is 5 yes

[waxen oyster]

rank 1 sin on rik has like

110m caustic dam

to barrels

[zenith elm]

How does ppl do so much damage on caustic btw ?

[waxen oyster]

i think he did env a few though since he had 32m env damage to them

[hot pasture]

sometimes the fucking explosives spawn far should i change target i guess?

[zenith elm]

just double envenom uptime when you need to cleave?

[spice surge]

Barrels spawn closer and/or the boss gets moved closer to them

[waxen oyster]

tank positions properly+less padders in raid.

[balmy condor]

no

[waxen oyster]

I failed 2nd grade math can you explain in simpler terms

/s

[balmy condor]

you're playing the worst target swapping spec in the game

please do not swap

[zenith elm]

Thx ! so i should ALWAYS target boss?

[marble hemlock]

can we please normalize using his full legal name? he is called Richard Reverberation

[hot pasture]

ty bro

[zenith elm]

even to place bleeds ?

[cerulean maple]

does any1 have a WA import for the old afenar edit's appearance bc this looks SO different it feels wrong

[waxen oyster]

Cab we address a real concern

Why can an armored tank parry

[balmy condor]

cause a leathered tank can dodge

[marble hemlock]

maybe its a gundam?

[zenith elm]

???

[gilded dune]

why y'all keybinds so weird

[marble hemlock]

the real question is, why can some bosses parry while casting

[waxen oyster]

Depends how long mobs live

[west crown]

only if target lives 8 secs

[golden loom]

pvper spotted

[fleet pagoda]

depends on the add, but usually not worth

[vivid mulch]

Q

[golden loom]

Q is very based

[zenith elm]

Q????

[golden loom]

Fellow MOBA enjoyers rise up

[zenith elm]

i could never

[balmy condor]

"why y'all keybinds so weird"
-> posts insane keybinds

[waxen oyster]

Why do you even have racial on a seperate bind from dm

as if you dont press them together always

[vivid mulch]

This is the shit

[balmy condor]

binding the fucking poison selection

is diabolical

[golden loom]

spamming 1 for builder feels so awkward

[waxen oyster]

I still click all my consumables

from bag

[waxen oyster]

[gilded dune]

omg function key users

[vivid mulch]

why does everyone have gar on 1

[waxen oyster]

garrote is 4

for me

[golden loom]

garrote is 3

[gilded dune]

that's how it is when you level, like first spell

[coral ibex]

garr on E for me

[balmy condor]

I mean fixr technically has it on 2 but he moved the whole row over

[limber swallow]

garrote is on E.

[balmy condor]

I have mut on 1 gar on 2

[coral ibex]

builder on Q spender on F

[golden loom]

Envenom (ultimate ability) is on R

[vivid mulch]

I kinda just did my binds on the combo

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure you learn mut

before garrote

[limber swallow]

I have that reversed, but for AOE targets.

[west crown]

this is the only correct answer

[balmy condor]

the only insanely concerning thing

[serene solar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[waxen oyster]

shift 6

[balmy condor]

is how many people have poisoned knife bound

[waxen oyster]

diabolical

[vivid mulch]

true

[balmy condor]

shift 4 for a button you avoid hitting

[gilded dune]

https://tenor.com/view/peach-cat-shy-gif-14039946619810077828

[balmy condor]

is crazy

[spice spire]

Pk belongs on P

[golden loom]

poisoned knife bound for delves where u need to hit the eggs to remove the webs

[limber swallow]

I have poison knife bound to alt F4.

[balmy condor]

pk belongs in the garbage

or if you really have to bind it

it should be on like

fucking page down

or numpad 7

[waxen oyster]

i can only see pk bound

on a pvp setup

[balmy condor]

dude now that we play vv in raids

it's even worse

💀

I can't

[vivid mulch]

I mean i could put snd

[waxen oyster]

i remember some pvp andy giving me some cooked shit

of pk at focus

[golden loom]

having a numpad is crazy

[waxen oyster]

to slow healer

[lunar pond]

mythic seaforium week 1

[balmy condor]

sorry I have a keyboard while you're paying more for half of one

[autumn frost]

What if they bring back explosives!

[waxen oyster]

Oh hey i got that dagger in ault

[balmy condor]

60% of the keyboard, 130% of the price

dumbshit headass

[golden loom]

tournament keyboard is very ergonomic!

[waxen oyster]

healer affix?

[autumn frost]

not if your healer is a holy paladin!

[subtle tundra]

leave dick alone

[waxen oyster]

whats an hpal

[autumn frost]

also how do you reset boss without knife?

[balmy condor]

not your problem

[waxen oyster]

rogue cant even reset psure

[spice spire]

Dick vibe?

[waxen oyster]

knife travel time is too fast

[gilded dune]

people having been telling me my UI looks awful for a while now. It must be like true

[balmy condor]

why the hell is everything so wide

[golden loom]

are u playing in 4k

[thorny oxide]

Is there anyway haste beats crit/mastery just so we don’t have to sit at 0 energy the whole time? ( haven’t raided on rogue yet supposed to swap from enh)

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/bwipo-wide-bwipo-fnatic-gif-18950908

[waxen oyster]

Why do people play wow on tv monitors

diabolical

[balmy condor]

you'd need 75-85% haste to make that happen

so

short answer no

[thorny oxide]

Oof

[balmy condor]

long answer nooooooooooooooooooooo

[marble hemlock]

you dont get to call him that anymore after killing him a few times already

[autumn frost]

if you use deathstalkers isn't it supposed to be mastery haste?

[balmy condor]

no

it's not

[waxen oyster]

sin is kind of

[autumn frost]

i'm confused and just sim it

lol

[waxen oyster]

agility+

preferably mastery

[cerulean maple]

if yall dont pull cauldron bosses together do you hold 2nd dm window for when they beef with each other

[tulip flower]

!wa

[balmy condor]

you go ilvl, you go mast, you win

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[golden loom]

weird question, if I import Simc data when I am on EU and try to sim, is the sim updated with the tuning or no?

[balmy condor]

yes

[waxen oyster]

thank god for raidbots

[spice spire]

I finally hit the point where my sim begs for anything but mastery

[golden loom]

cause 2+2 is still simming better

[waxen oyster]

because im am too stupid to do gearing decisions on my own

[balmy condor]

link

[gilded dune]

I play at 1440p y'all why you think I'm on a tv wth

[thorny oxide]

What point is that?

[fallen charm]

btw is the raidbot simming the magnet correctly? cause I have a shitty noggenfoger with 10 less ilv and it is simming way higher

[golden loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h7nHf9P99Uaq6nRKWVz4JA

that was on nightly but the same happend on latest

[cerulean maple]

oh is it fixed after this weekly reset?

[spice spire]

My highest simming ring from dungeon pool is the ring from dfc

[waxen oyster]

what kind of fucked up gear

do you have

[golden loom]

wdym

[balmy condor]

this didn't sim 4pc

this only simmed 3

[waxen oyster]

i meant quake

[spice spire]

My mastery is around 23k unbuffed rn and I’m a rat 658

[golden loom]

hmm..

[balmy condor]

yeah

[vivid mulch]

How many of yall running bleed build?

[waxen oyster]

Also chat i still have a s1 neck

[spice spire]

[waxen oyster]

send help

[balmy condor]

only 1 cata charge

[spice spire]

Same

Crafting today

[golden loom]

ah

[balmy condor]

so you have 2

• 1 cata

[spice surge]

Not enough people tbh

[waxen oyster]

i just pray mugzee neck drops

[balmy condor]

can't make a valid 4 pc combo

[golden loom]

I was too lazy to find the items in the list so I just used "convert to cata item"

[coral ibex]

do you do the circlet cheese to get more?

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6cQwzR6PpCB2FiDcQAuPL1

I gave you a second cata charge

that should fix it

[coral ibex]

i thought i had a lot of mastery

[spice spire]

No I just have a fuck ton of mastery

[golden loom]

perfect, tyvm

[coral ibex]

you have 4k more than me lol

[waxen oyster]

i have like 20k mast

in my sin gear

21k in sub

[spice spire]

Not been collecting it on purpose

[spice spire]

It’s just kinda happened

[waxen oyster]

idk all my chars just

[balmy condor]

I think mine also looks something like this

[waxen oyster]

get infinite mastery

from gearing

[coral ibex]

i have the big haste neck from meadery

[waxen oyster]

yeah i have a big haste neck

[spice spire]

Yeah I still have s1 639 mists neck

[waxen oyster]

its a mythic sikran one

from s1

[spice spire]

Because necks don’t exist 🙂

[balmy condor]

also didn't change talents, but that shouldn't change it

[subtle tundra]

craft one you cock

[waxen oyster]

i have the mists neck too technically

[spice spire]

I mean I am today

[waxen oyster]

i have mechagon dagger in vault

[spice spire]

But missed week two of m+ so I just upped my bracers

[waxen oyster]

need to sim if thats worth my gildeds or the neck

[golden loom]

yep forgor about that aswell

[spice spire]

With runed and capped gilded last night

[coral ibex]

which weekly gives a spark again?

i just did 2 and didnt get it

[spice spire]

So I’ve 60 waiting

[gilded oasis]

im 60 and waiting

[waxen oyster]

wait i might have enough

to do both

[cerulean maple]

i dont have the braincells to do the math rn but is it worth to hold DM 1 minute in big godzilla kingkong fight to pump caustic spatter while they're beefing? probs not right?

[waxen oyster]

no

[spice spire]

God ur old

[autumn frost]

if it causes you to lose a deathmark then no

[gilded oasis]

I feel it

[gleaming geyser]

only if you know for certain you're not getting another DM/kingsbane in, I suppose

[fallen charm]

the noggenfogger is like 10ilv lower and still better than the magnet, does the sim know to hold the trinket?

[waxen oyster]

yeah wait i think i ended last week at 45

Keep in mind noggenfogger has 0 aoe protection

So its about as smart as bran is at living

[balmy condor]

yes

[waxen oyster]

though tbh idk how much my sim will like having no haste at all

[fallen charm]

that's what I needed

was looking for any excuse to not use this ground targeting garbo

[fickle tiger]

it is hotfixed
RIP Noggen

[fallen charm]

wdym?

[fickle tiger]

yeah
#outlaw message

[hidden bay]

time to grind that big upgrade

[fleet pagoda]

bleed build is simming higher st than hybrid for me now

that's with iron wire on the former and not the latter

[balmy condor]

bleed build is good

[waxen oyster]

ngl i feel i underuse my shivs

[fleet pagoda]

it's heckin' owning

[waxen oyster]

in bleed build

[fleet pagoda]

same, i dropped AP for ttk and it's still poppin off

[autumn frost]

i always mess up my shivs not to use at the ending 7 seconds

in m+

[waxen oyster]

What'd you even drop for IW

[balmy condor]

dog what

[fleet pagoda]

it was simming less in both instances

[waxen oyster]

dropping AP in hybrid

[fleet pagoda]

on my 3min patchwork and dslice

[waxen oyster]

[balmy condor]

How do you even get ttk on a bleed build

[waxen oyster]

the 1 dungeon option

is always the best

[waxen oyster]

i swear its cope as hell

[cerulean walrus]

[waxen oyster]

But 9/10 times my good option is 1

sometimes 2

and almost never 3

[orchid forge]

w/ the new buffs, what talen was supposed to be changed to see the most dps?

thank you

[autumn frost]

Has wowhead been updated?

[orchid forge]

no

2 days ago is most recent update

[fleet pagoda]

wait that's not bleed

[cerulean walrus]

Oh yeah that's thicc

[balmy condor]

Can you stop lying

[runic hinge]

Suck me

[balmy condor]

I updated it last night yes

[cerulean maple]

yall play deathstalker on cauldron and just reapply mark on boss with vanish during swap?

[fleet pagoda]

I need to go find the tab I closed i simmed so many variations

[orchid forge]

thats what I was seeing in overall

i'm sorry 😢

[balmy condor]

Yeah the builds update from a central spot so I don’t have to change every build everywhere

The pins say guide is updated

It’s updated

Changelog doesn’t mean shit 85% of the time

[orchid forge]

ok! I dont know these things hahaha, thank you!

[hidden bay]

whispyr is lazy!!! its obvious!!!!

[autumn frost]

oh i missed the pin at 3:10

[split grail]

House of Cards question: I know the first use should be lined up with vendetta but after that do we use on cd or save for burst?

[spice surge]

Macro it with deathmark

[golden loom]

You play it as a 2min trinket

[split grail]

Right deathmark. I'm an old. Thanks

[cerulean maple]

or is fatebound worth like whatsoever on this fight

idk maybe im just lost ive worked too much this week

im just realizing my hero tree being basically fuck off useless half of this fight

[vestal cliff]

With vv , we never fok in Single target right?

[high jetty]

I play fate bound on all the single target fights cause fuck deathstalker tbh

[golden loom]

you just transfer the mark over with darkest night in the intermission @cerulean maple

the intermission lasts for like 20 seconds so you stick on the one you started on for a bit, then you have darkest night up and can swap it to the other boss

[cerulean maple]

fucking

duh

oh my god

[split grail]

UNless I'm way off you still want to FoK with CtW

[runic hinge]

You don’t

Unless in lingering and then it’s even

[rocky zodiac]

At Gallywix, would you still use CDs instantly even when you know that during your CDs the boss moves away and you lose uptime?

[vestal cliff]

In lingering its even?

[runic hinge]

If you’re not gonna have uptime you probably shouldn’t send cds

[runic hinge]

Yes

Ignore Ctw outside lingering

[rocky zodiac]

thought so too but at lorgs it seems some do either way

[vestal cliff]

Okay , and on 6cp with darkest night?

[runic hinge]

You would mut now

[vestal cliff]

Ayye thanks

[hidden bay]

if you are unsure and dont trust anything in here just sim yourself and check what the sim does

[dusky vault]

Wont we pretty much always be in lingering with Ctw procs?

[golden loom]

no?

I mean ctw procs a lot during a fight

[spice surge]

Deathmark, not deathstalkers mark

Theyre different

[dusky vault]

Oh yeah too early words look the same, mb

[fleet pagoda]

in your defense the nomenclature could improve

[dapper cradle]

I like the way zizek says nomenclature

NOMENKLATURA

sniff cough sniff wheeze

[dusky vault]

I presume raid cleave build will just be new vv build with spatter swap as before?

[fleet pagoda]

that's probably fine

alternatively you could take AP with spatter in place of ttb, get some cheeky shivs out

[rotund marsh]

feeling really strong today?

[spice spire]

Hit a PR n Sunday so yeah

[rotund marsh]

niceee lol

are those builder ability buffs noticable?

[buoyant mortar]

Are we not really taking Iron wire any more? Allot of people i see running Assas are not running it?

[rotund marsh]

the 40 to ambush and mutilate

[rotund marsh]

sac a bit of damage for a ton of utility, feel like its a must take

[silent drift]

Is assassination back on the menu for raid?

[runic hinge]

When was it off

Were you in rwf?

[buoyant mortar]

I normally swap iron wire for SB's if im playing with A prot paladin but other then that

[silent drift]

Fair enough lmfao

[cerulean nest]

whats the strat on using mega magnet

besides during lingering darkness

[rotund marsh]

that makes sense

[balmy condor]

that's the strat

[cerulean nest]

its a 20 sec cd though so are we just spamming basically?

or exclusively using during lingering

[tender cedar]

So this mechano-core amplifier is our bis passive trinket? its simming as well as a 678 myth weapon as an upgrade from 658

[cursive island]

You want to build up stacks so no

[balmy condor]

mechano-core is good yes

[dusky vault]

In light of the ST rotation changes

[low thicket]

Is there a trick to keeping deathstalkers going during the Rik intermission? Timing seems to be very tight and I end up vanishing to reapply it when P1 starts again.

[golden loom]

you slam a darkest night on him before intermission

mark stays on him for 60 seconds

intermission is like 30

[desert vault]

damn, sin feeling kinda nice in keys, just a 10 rookery, but 3.1 overall feels like a good chunk

[low thicket]

I see. I'll have to work on my timing.

[iron carbon]

Key runners, do you keep Hybrid build for ToP or Cleave is viable / Better for this one?

[dusky vault]

ToP just feels like a sub dungeon but hybrid for assa is probably better than bleed due to more ST fights

[iron carbon]

Yes, ofc. I was wondering if the "cleave" build was still viable and maybe better than the hybrid one.

Not the "bleeds" one

[runic hinge]

Cleave kinda abandons what we’re good at but it might work on top since you’re not getting that much scent value cause no big pulls

I’ve been thinking about it a lot cause that dungeon feels like ass

When we’re good on big pulls with lots of adds and top is not that

[lean plover]

you can always sim the st difference between builds, cleave didnt rly simm that much more to be worth it to me

[runic hinge]

Could sim the st differences between cleave and hybrid

[iron carbon]

Yeah, maybe should. I remember it was good before kb nerf

[lean plover]

i still have to sim hybrid vs bleed with my gear

[iron carbon]

And Top got like 1 pull than benefit from max Scent of blood

[spice spire]

That was done already one second

#assassination message

Obviously base is raid build

[runic hinge]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking. Maybe 3 5 pulls in the whole dungeon.

[lean plover]

pretty sure thts with full 678 gear

[spice spire]

It is

[lean plover]

ill sim the difference with my current gear

[spice spire]

But roughly 2% diff on st

[lean plover]

ye if its -2% st but +3% aoe ill just play bleed

[runic hinge]

Yeah but what about cleave

Just for top

I need to know and I’m at work

Someone pls help

[iron carbon]

Simming

Patchwerk 1 Target, 3 min, Only Lust

Cleave is the first, ofc

[lean plover]

40k st gain doesnt seem worth having no scent

[cinder geode]

what bosses do you guys lust on for floodgate

[haughty flicker]

whichever one the guy with lust presses it on

[swift bluff]

Depends on route and comp. That is one of the more flexible dungeons this season

[runic hinge]

You’re not getting scent stacks for the most part in top anyways

[swift bluff]

I still prefer lust 1 big pull opener, with lust up for 2nd boss (duo) and last boss.

[cinder geode]

That's my preferred as well

[swift bluff]

I don’t LIKE lust on 2nd boss but with timing

[cerulean maple]

being so fr btw

[lean plover]

maybe not full value, but 4 stacks is still 16% agility, thats a fuck ton of stats

[cerulean maple]

thats a sidebar hotbar moment fr

[runic hinge]

Yes but how many pulls in top are even 4 mobs

[lean plover]

1st pull is mostly 3 (12%), 2nd pull if u go xav is 4, then single add, then 5, then skip to boss

then no matter the route, u get at least 3/4 stacks perma

[mint valve]

for m+ bleed build are we trading tiny toxic blade for blindside?

[spice spire]

Quite a few

Bull onto boss

[lean plover]

sure top has some smaller pulls, but its 3 at minimum, which is still 12% stat

[spice spire]

Xav wing sucks

Whatever

You pull all the spirits + big guy downstairs

[lean plover]

ye but even on xav, only 1 pull is less than 4

1st pull on xav is 3 + big, then 1 alone, then the 5 mobs

[spice spire]

Then you kill the mage on the 3 pack pull more mages

[lean plover]

then u skip, bc if u dont skip what are u even doing

so theres only 1 no scent value pull on xav area

[hidden bay]

hm. somehow my CTW wa doesnt work anymore

[balmy condor]

do you have my wa's

[royal lantern]

oh, did you update the CTW trigger with the changes we got?

[balmy condor]

the CTW trigger already was updated

it doesn't trigger with vicious

[royal lantern]

ah ok

[hidden bay]

patch didnt hit my servers yet. using some old nice UI from Bloodbag which i modified

[lean plover]

hybrid is 1.4% ahead o st/ds for me

might just go with it for iron wire value

[robust axle]

ds?

[lean plover]

dungeon slice

[quaint spindle]

It’s been hours and I now just noticed that blindside is taken in bleed
Build and not hybrid. I r dumb

[split grail]

Question: Now that we take VV and not MA do we no longer vanish as a dps cd

[balmy condor]

correct

[swift bluff]

So I can use vanish as defensive/utility tool?!

[quaint spindle]

Rip master assassin 2025-2025

[cerulean maple]

are all the changes on wowhead or smth already

rip MA

[mighty rapids]

No vanish during kingsbane?

[quaint spindle]

Atp just bake MA into an assassination passive hah

[quaint spindle]

No point without MA

[cinder bone]

first 12 done lets gooooooooo

[cerulean maple]

hyuge

[spice spire]

Gz

[quaint spindle]

GZ

[cinder bone]

tyty

[cerulean maple]

we just vanish on st to refresh imp gar as much as possible then i imagine?

[spice spire]

We don’t run imp gar

Two VV

[cerulean maple]

ah

[mighty rapids]

Ez mode rotation

[spice spire]

Means we lose MA and Imp gar

Mark reset

That’s it

[cerulean maple]

right

[high walrus]

is arterial precision a real build now or why is it the most popular m+ build on archon

[quaint spindle]

Mark reset is nice lowkey

[final star]

what is m+ bleed build team

[hidden bay]

changing to not load with TTB prolly better than VV due to cleave build

[spice spire]

Always has been

[spice spire]

Wowhead guide mister kpb

[final star]

google it for me

[spice spire]

Just swap ttb and blindside

And you’re done

Idk if wowhead updated in between,

[final star]

It is EU still king

[spice spire]

Oh fuck

Keep it then

Fuck

[golden loom]

paypal 100 euro

[high walrus]

how does it perform compared to "normal" build with scent of blood

[spice spire]

Does great

[final star]

I was half way through looking through wowhead too

thanks

[spice spire]

Suffers slightly on st

But does biggly aoe

[waxen oyster]

If stuff dies fast

[final star]

2x shiv

[spice spire]

Even without stuff dying fast

[final star]

without kb

what a build

[spice spire]

Yeah for the bleed buff

?

[final star]

shhhhh

[spice spire]

Also be careful with arterial

It likes to pull more

[final star]

being careful!!!

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

how much worse do you think it is in single target

%

whatever you think, cut it in half

[spice spire]

He’s in the past whispyr!

[final star]

probs like 3%

[balmy condor]

yeah

[mighty rapids]

So when do u shiv

[balmy condor]

1.3%

[final star]

on cd shivver?

[golden loom]

Shiving after CT feels so good

[high walrus]

do you not bother spreading garrote with this shiv build

[balmy condor]

what is "this shiv build"

the new raid setup?

[golden loom]

not spreading garrotes in the bleed build would certainly be a choice

[high walrus]

replacing scent, indiscriminate carnage and sudden demise for the shiv talents on the left

in m+

[haughty flicker]

holy based

[golden loom]

oh my

[sour oasis]

@balmy condor hello my brother

[waxen oyster]

stop cooking

[sour oasis]

just a little question

[waxen oyster]

you burnt the kitchen

[balmy condor]

[final star]

Surely I just shiv on cd right

[sour oasis]

the weakaura unavaible the FoK aura after the mark

when we take VV

[balmy condor]

yes

[waxen oyster]

Yeah it doesnt show

[sour oasis]

but when i simc, we need to do

what is your position ?

[balmy condor]

[sour oasis]

sorry for my english

[high walrus]

that's what I was asking about earlier, it's the most common build according to archon

[balmy condor]

not in m+ it ain't

[high walrus]

ok nvm I had raid selected

thank you I was so confused

[golden loom]

if the most popular build is not running carnage / scent / demise then I do not wanna play m+

[high walrus]

was wonderig wtf the appeal of shivving in m+ was

[waxen oyster]

Have you seen the average m+ player

[sour oasis]

thx buddy

[tribal stag]

What talents do we take after the changes if we want to be able read the pins better

[balmy condor]

glasses

[midnight atlas]

i got the same build as season 1 and works well

[tribal stag]

Which part do I put them on

is ther a pin for that

[spice surge]

Elbow

[midnight atlas]

tried the bleed one but its so resident sleeper

[final star]

wait I want the shivver during nature buff!!!

so smart!

[golden loom]

well you wanna shiv during deathmark as per usual

[spice surge]

Shivver me timbers lad

[golden loom]

and shiv when bleeds and ct are up

[final star]

omg true!"!!

[golden loom]

and for sure wanna shiv when stuff is in execute range in aoe

get ready to demise max buddy

[final star]

smart!!!!!!!

[balmy condor]

any stroke-pilled and braindamage-chads in the chat or just me

[fleet pagoda]

even better, sit in stealth until the pull is in execute range

[swift bluff]

I had a stroke in 2018

Think I qualify here

[midnight atlas]

is the no-garrote st build still working well ?

[balmy condor]

that is the build we're swapping to

[high walrus]

how much does sanguine blades do in an average key, I haven't untalented iron wire since s1

[marble hemlock]

any KB-less builds in the chat?

[spice surge]

Yes sir

[midnight atlas]

3.5

[indigo mulch]

🖐️

[static glacier]

any way to change discord back

[balmy condor]

like 7-8%

[cerulean maple]

but big button fun :(((

[lean plover]

thats with or without kb?

[balmy condor]

without

[swift bluff]

All I’m hearing is that the flexibility is yyyyuge right now

[fleet pagoda]

has been for a while

[cerulean maple]

so we can basically cook like crazy without losing a shitload of damage?? awesomes stuff

[balmy condor]

okay

maybe

not that aggressively

[lean plover]

with no dtb i dont rly want to play kingsbane, so if its 1% behind bye bye kb

[balmy condor]

I've seen what you clown cook

[verbal cipher]

does haste affect garrote and rupture tick rate? or any other way?

[midnight atlas]

i do roughly the same damage with all the viable builds, i just like the hybrid one

[balmy condor]

y'all leave the plastic wrap on the popcorn when you put it into the microwave

[balmy condor]

yes

all dots

[golden loom]

its time to goddamn GAME

[midnight atlas]

thats like one talent ez to remove from game

[fleet pagoda]

Killing Spree at home

[verbal cipher]

but it's very minimal increase right?

[midnight atlas]

free up 10kb from my wow client

[spice surge]

Mcdonalds always fucking up my order bro, i asked for schprite and they gave me clown juice

[golden loom]

Honestly pretty neat, there are only 3 talents that are never taken, improved poisons, flying daggers and intent to kill

and 2 are choice nodes

[balmy condor]

ey-o-ey-o

[midnight atlas]

improved poisons should juice my kb why i not take it ree

[haughty flicker]

why is flying daggers even a choice node with strategem

who decided that lmao

[midnight atlas]

for those casuals that hate when they are at 6cp and they need to refresh darkest night

so they do mutilate

[golden loom]

like flying daggers is pretty good right? it just can never compete vs stratagem

[midnight atlas]

nah lol

its shit

[cerulean maple]

flying daggers is lowk a super boring talent

[jolly vault]

How does one not catch some brain disease when attempting to test Sub from Ass

trick question, is it even worth?

[spice surge]

Youre probably overthinking it

[noble moth]

anyone know what talent swap this is talking about?

[haughty flicker]

the talent swap in pins

[coral ibex]

nobody knows

[haughty flicker]

using vv now

[coral ibex]

its a mystery

we're trying to solve it

[hidden bay]

imagine an option in weakauras to hit a button which shows all weakauras which are set so "never load"

[spice surge]

Do the opener in the guide, and then do the opener in the guide again 90s later and youre playing sub at like 85%

[golden loom]

my biggest issue with sub is finding keybinds I like

[jolly vault]

that's fair, but concentrating on all the buttons will give me a stroke one day

[cerulean maple]

sub is just do dps window brrrrrr

try outlaw

[jolly vault]

no thanks 🤝

[cerulean maple]

based

[midnight atlas]

sub is easy, do giga burst, then do healer dps then do giga burst. you want good parse, line up the kill with your burst window and gg

[cerulean maple]

for the bleed build enjoyers, how differently does it play to regular aoe build w/ kb? just hammer shivs on big bleeds and vibe?

[jolly vault]

like my initial spec I always wanted to try was Outlaw, but after trying other ones (Ass is just love at this point), Outlaw just feels so over the top with keeping up everything

[cerulean maple]

literally same here lmao i get it, ive been trying to learn it again recently though and it's fun (i'm playng the spec at maybe 70% capacity its very tragic)

[midnight atlas]

garrotes ruptures ct, mut dm shiv envenom fok envenoms chill. 😴

[cerulean maple]

so

same, basically?

get bleeds press button win game

[spice surge]

only difference is you dont press kb, and you keep CT up on ST

[midnight atlas]

aoe yes, single target just cry

[spice surge]

Its like 1.3% worse on ST btw

[spice spire]

Honestly st didn’t feel too bad with bs

[jolly vault]

my kind of rogue

[midnight atlas]

would like execute + hybrid build cook

[cerulean maple]

ah based i guess

[spice surge]

And since you dont have KB you dont need envenom up before deathmark

[royal lantern]

i found my people

[cerulean maple]

yeah figured

if i play w guildies who deal 0 dmg ever should i run bleed build in lower keys anyway or just send regular aoe w kb since shit takes forever to die anyway

i imagine it wont make much difference in the end

so i should just play wahtever is most fun?

[spice surge]

Idk i'd just play bleed everywhere

[cerulean maple]

but here i am asking anyway

trying it cant hurt

[cerulean nest]

my sin after tuning simming just slightly behind sub. dropping dumbass transmitter and big execute makes it an easy choice

we back

[midnight atlas]

any thoughts?

[cerulean maple]

transmitter gone huge

[midnight atlas]

cursed no ct build

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-meme-mods-gif-18091864705525459424

[midnight atlas]

ignore flying daggers, its late, wanted to go stratagem

[subtle tundra]

uh for m+?

fucking horrid

[cerulean maple]

this build doesnt know what it wants to be fr

[subtle tundra]

ct is like

extremely op

you have a fucking doomblade

[midnight atlas]

yeah i know, wanted to bring execute in m+ but without bleed

[subtle tundra]

why the fuck

do you have doomblade

[spice spire]

Doomblade dog

[subtle tundra]

ill fucking beat you

[spice spire]

Nahhhhh

[golden loom]

Bro he has 6 combo points also

[subtle tundra]

he said thats a mistake

but like

doomblade

youre getting molested

[midnight atlas]

ok ttk and i'll throw a sim

[spice spire]

Too far king

Just say touched

[subtle tundra]

molested not by me man

[magic fossil]

@balmy condor just pin ur last video about new changes, it is amazing and explain everything

[subtle tundra]

by the sim

[void pecan]

it is, second pin link near the top.

[subtle tundra]

or you know, remove dashing and get sbs

or you know, get ct

[haughty flicker]

wow thats pretty ironic

[magic fossil]

hehe 😉

[lean plover]

what exactly do u want to achieve with that build? doomblade but no sbs, sanguine but no ct

dashing with no ttk

[twilit flint]

is there a cheat sheet around for what we can do for each affix ?

[midnight atlas]

something like raid council spec but for m+. i gave up when i saw no CT is 15% dps loss

cba gonna play hybrid

[golden loom]

Time for fatebound + no CT M+ for 300% dps loss

[lean plover]

bleed is barely behind

im going to try it tomorrow, specially since i get pi from duo

[balmy condor]

nothing, cloak, blind a mob, nothing

[subtle tundra]

have sexual thoughts

when the add spawns

at the end of pull

and you cant restealth

[lean plover]

but you can use it to funnel scent/ct on st

+energy when it dies

[jaunty cape]

do we need some more haste with new vv build or nwm ?

[blazing kayak]

Hmmm what 3rd item should i craft, after boots dagger

[jaunty cape]

i have 10% and this is terrible

[fleet pagoda]

vv is gonna slow the playstyle down a wee bit. if you're not enjoying it the build before today should still be pretty competitive with it

just remember to play around vanish if you do

[balmy condor]

if you want to play a fast spec assa ain't for you I'm afraid

[runic hinge]

Do I have to wait for this

[ionic pumice]

how the opener will look like tomorrow on full st

[subtle tundra]

Exactly the same

[balmy condor]

imagine where you pressed vanish before

and then don't

[subtle tundra]

but you still do for style

[ionic pumice]

like we do not consume clear the witness and less combo point s from garrote so

this thing doesnt effect?

[balmy condor]

yeah so instead of clear the witnessees

you don't

less buttons

ezclap

[tawdry halo]

Back to keeping vanish available for when I fuckup and lose deathstalkers mark

[marble hemlock]

i personally like it more this way

vanish as a DPS CD with MA was turbo cringe

[lean plover]

^^^^

[tawdry halo]

You just gotta role with the lunches

[marble hemlock]

despite it only being 2 changes, i really like the outcome. no more fok on st, no more vanish as DPS CD

[spice surge]

I think either MA or imp garrote is fine, having both conflicting with each other feels cringe

[tawdry halo]

Or punches if you’re not hungry

[marble hemlock]

agreed

[cerulean burrow]

can someone give me the import string for the new uh ....... single taget build

[marble hemlock]

almost as if it couldve been a choice node

[spice surge]

And like, this no-imp garrote build definitely wants MA

But cant get it because its locked behind imp garrote for some reason

[cerulean burrow]

so it was updated on wowhead?

[uneven plume]

So basically we just mutilate > envenom

The entire time

Got it

[tawdry halo]

Always had been

[severe meadow]

Well, we are envenom the class

[royal lantern]

how is that different

[uneven plume]

There was an occasional vanish

[severe meadow]

Well now you can get a little silly with it

Obviously vanish into cheap shot

[fleet pagoda]

can Vanish for the RP

[runic hinge]

Save vanish for the wipes

[fallen charm]

^

[uneven plume]

Since we now BiS VV, how will having less than 500 haste effect this

[cerulean burrow]

i cant find the import string for the new single target build in the pins ... is wowhead updated ?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-eyes-gif-22773102

[tawdry halo]

[cedar elm]

!talents

[haughty flicker]

just change 3 talents friend

[cerulean burrow]

oh okay cool

[cedar elm]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[cerulean burrow]

import strign is just easier though

[uneven plume]

Isn’t every fight in raid aoe?

[haughty flicker]

its taken you like 20x longer to find this import string than it wouldve to just change them but ok fair enough

[uneven plume]

Except sprocket

[balmy condor]

what if instead of wowhead it was freakhead and instead of giving all the most up to date information about assassination rogue, it gave the FREAKIEST information about FREAKSINATION rogue and instead of reading the pins we read the freaks and then we pulled it out and engaged in a flesh sword fight and the loser had to bend over and send feet and instead of doing simming ourselves we just kissed

[spice spire]

what if instead of wowhead it was freakhead and instead of giving all the most up to date information about assassination rogue, it gave the FREAKIEST information about FREAKSINATION rogue and instead of reading the pins we read the freaks and then we pulled it out and engaged in a flesh sword fight and the loser had to bend over and send feet and instead of doing simming ourselves we just kissed

[haughty flicker]

what if instead of wowhead it was freakhead and instead of giving all the most up to date information about assassination rogue, it gave the FREAKIEST information about FREAKSINATION rogue and instead of reading the pins we read the freaks and then we pulled it out and engaged in a flesh sword fight and the loser had to bend over and send feet and instead of doing simming ourselves we just kissed

[severe meadow]

what if instead of wowhead it was freakhead and instead of giving all the most up to date information about assassination rogue, it gave the FREAKIEST information about FREAKSINATION rogue and instead of reading the pins we read the freaks and then we pulled it out and engaged in a flesh sword fight and the loser had to bend over and send feet and instead of doing simming ourselves we just kissed

[uneven plume]

what if instead of wowhead it was freakhead and instead of giving all the most up to date information about assassination rogue, it gave the FREAKIEST information about FREAKSINATION rogue and instead of reading the pins we read the freaks and then we pulled it out and engaged in a flesh sword fight and the loser had to bend over and send feet and instead of doing simming ourselves we just kissed

[spice spire]

You literally move one talent

[last radish]

[marble hemlock]

its actually 2

3, possibly

so youre literally wrong bozo

L+Ratio

||(i love you big G)||

[waxen oyster]

I wonder if people realize 10% haste is like

[spice spire]

Oh I thought this was the bleed build bit

[waxen oyster]

less than 2 more energy/second

[spice spire]

You’re moving 2 points to one talent

[marble hemlock]

oh i thought this was st build bit

[spice spire]

It was

I didn’t read

[marble hemlock]

didnt read, just wanted to dunk on you

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-explosion-gif-7138394752046712707

[waxen oyster]

people will dunk on gameplay being slow with VV

Yet happily take SB in dungeons

[verbal creek]

Serious question, what would you do?

Sitting on Hero House of Cards, and Hero Pacemaker. Got a Myth Signet in vault but have been sitting on a socket since week 1, and have a Myth Helm in in vault I'm debating on.

Myth Signet to replace Hero House of Cards OR grab Myth Head and blast socket?

Obviously I see the sims, it's more of the socket I'm considering since I've been sitting on it.

[umbral sierra]

how do i get catch up sparks

ik this weeks spark comes from 4 m+

[royal lantern]

signet ofc lol

[balmy condor]

didn't read past second sentence but you take myth signet

[honest needle]

we use fan of knives in m+ on single target ?

[verbal creek]

Okay lmao done

[umbral sierra]

but i did special assign awakening machine and some keys and didnt get the catch up half spark

[honest needle]

what causes us to use fok on ST ?

[tawdry halo]

Nothing now

[waxen oyster]

Read your talents

[verbal creek]

Socket stays in bag for another week

[waxen oyster]

taking a socket this early in a tier

is fucking yikes

[verbal creek]

Yeah I had a BRUTAL first vault

[severe meadow]

My choice was nearly a socket today

[fleet pagoda]

I also barely dodged a socket

[waxen oyster]

first vault is an even bigger L

[verbal creek]

I don't think I've ever taken a socket first vault of the season since returning to wow in DF. But here we are

[haughty flicker]

You guys aren’t getting bis trinkets in every vault?

[waxen oyster]

mechagon dagger, hoc, mythic bracers w/ leech

[severe meadow]

I haven't even seen a hoc yet

From raid or vault

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean i dont take hoc over mechagon dagger

its within variance of signet

[severe meadow]

ye I'd keep signet anyway

surely we'll see good drops on heroic reclear this week

[waxen oyster]

i probably would have gotten hoc already

if it didnt go to hunter who doesnt do keys

:)

[severe meadow]

We fed pretty much all of our good drops into a WW

[haughty flicker]

The bis strat

Never do keys so upgrades in raid are always best for you

[severe meadow]

Jastor and Kezan went to him

[lost parrot]

Hi, I'm new to Rogue, so I don't mind learning a spec. I usually play high keys +15 and +16. What's the current meta spec for them?

[uneven plume]

Fire mage

[waxen oyster]

i considered getting my monk to max

just because the lionhead mog is drippy

[fleet pagoda]

idk if there's really a meta spec right now. sub and outlaw are probably a little tankier than sin if that's what you're looking for. otherwise

[haughty flicker]

The monk anniversary set has to be one of the best sets in the game

[tawdry halo]

Assassin has GOAT AOE, Sub has very respectable boss damage

[haughty flicker]

Almost made me reroll to monk then and there

[waxen oyster]

i prefer antorus monk elite

the dark green orbs

Probably can mix them together havent tried yet

[unreal tide]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cerulean burrow]

so for single target that part where we vanish to do the garrot as it shows in the rotation here.... do we not do that now ? im confused

[waxen oyster]

You just removed the talents that give any benefit to stealth

Think for a second.

[cedar elm]

blindside

[cerulean burrow]

im trying to read the pins and stuff and i cant seem to find what we dropped or removed or whatever

[tawdry halo]

You don’t take imp garotte or master assassin