assassination

[warm vortex]

Omg it’sthe asshole hiiii

[rotund oak]

literal jail?

[subtle tundra]

duck my dick sac

[midnight mist]

Ye it's fine if they are green or purple name tho

[soft surge]

outlaw dev was the one who would crawl under the ladies desks or something

[viscid spear]

I miss Squaresoft, dumb Enix

[rotund oak]

crazy

had no idea

[warm vortex]

God imagine the feral Druid dev

Or any Druid / pally dev

[rotund oak]

imagine the aug devs,shimping

[warm vortex]

Tbh i think id be good at making Assa rogue

Id also be very good at getting fired

[warm vortex]

100% into cucking

They like watching people do all their dps instead of them

Not kink shaming

Just saying

[rotund oak]

almost threw upmy monster

[warm vortex]

You ate a monster?!?!?

[rotund oak]

as in the energy drink

havent slept,came back from work 10 in the morning

[nova kelp]

that is some intense "kyle" energy

[rotund oak]

what is a kyle

[nova kelp]

the drywall is shaking

[rotund oak]

[normal mist]

Community figure is pretty Rad

[slow echo]

I used to think you were a community figure

[warm vortex]

Nah I ain’t a Kyle

[normal mist]

But I couldn't manage shit

[warm vortex]

Yes because you come in and people lick your tootsies

Metaphorically

At least I think…

[normal mist]

So far

That's what I get for spreading the love around here

[nova kelp]

what's the difference between a rupture and a rupture royal?
is it cheese?

[normal mist]

Mainly yes

Parmesan

[nova kelp]

that's a good cheese

[normal mist]

You've got good taste my friend

[dapper cradle]

Isn’t it because of the metric system?

[slow echo]

Yall get ready to congratulate me on my pacemaker from vault

[vestal cliff]

gz

[normal mist]

Rupture Royal is when you rupture and the memories from legion kick in and you remember the old rupture trait

[slow echo]

Ty ty

[nova kelp]

so not when you rupture and you remember telling tanks to not move "POISON BOMB!"

[normal mist]

Not that one no, that would be poison royal

[viscid spear]

Had that new Viking Berry, bretty gud

[normal mist]

Man I loved legion

And I'm getting old

[nova kelp]

I remember 1 minute cloak too

good times

[normal mist]

What's 18yo birth year rn? I'm bad at maths (I just don't want to count)

[midnight mist]

Maybe a long time ago

[slow echo]

1996

[warm vortex]

Tbh I know this isn’t related to what you said royal but I find it funny that I make people feel super old

Like

[golden loom]

2007

[nova kelp]

18 years old? bro that's like a covid baby

[warm vortex]

I say my age and people say they have kids older than me

[golden loom]

imagine being born 2007, bro missed legit EVERYTHING

[normal mist]

I'm a 95 baby man

IM 30

[golden loom]

WAIT COD 4 IS 18 YEARS OLD

[slow echo]

You helped me log review ❤️

[normal mist]

How are babies from 2007 able to legally drink now

That's illegal

[tawdry mica]

The fact that you called it cod 4 says you're an og

[golden loom]

I might just end it all

in game

[royal lantern]

well, he WAS

but was stupid enough to lose it

[midnight mist]

[subtle tundra]

im a baby

[golden loom]

theres no way that game is 18 years old

[warm vortex]

Fucking zac

[normal mist]

Me, thinking about most stuff in life

[slow echo]

Oh I had no idea

[warm vortex]

I could be a community figure tbh
But like
A shitty off brand version
“Community member” lmao

[golden loom]

im born 98 so atleast im not 30 yet

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-boy-cute-chubby-cheeks-speak-gif-12301947

[warm vortex]

Bro I’m 19

[normal mist]

You're one year older than my sister, and she's a baby

[warm vortex]

2005 born

[golden loom]

bro missed 911

[nova kelp]

you missed like ALL the best cartoons

[normal mist]

THIS

IS

TRUE

[royal lantern]

i started playing wow when i was ~9

im 27 now

[warm vortex]

As you typed 911 and not 9/11 you make it sound like I missed the police

[dapper cradle]

What’s the brainrot generation cutoff

Like 2010ish?

[normal mist]

99

[warm vortex]

I don’t watch movies or cartoons so I ain’t missing out

[normal mist]

Rest are babies

[royal lantern]

its "do you have tiktok instaled"

[golden loom]

brainrot generation is my generation, otherwise I would not spend so much time on IG reels

[nova kelp]

what's a tiktok?

[warm vortex]

I don’t have tiktok, Snapchat, instagram or anything like that

[midnight mist]

I was stupid enough to accept it maybe

[slow echo]

Senior citizen dating app

[nova kelp]

ew, he's one of those "I touch grass" people

[warm vortex]

I only have FB cause I needed one for oculus vr

[golden loom]

I dont have tiktok cause ig reels is just way superior

HOW ARE U 19 AND HAVE FACEBOOK

[warm vortex]

But my fucking irl name on it is “pog champ”

So that’s how little I care about it

[quiet oar]

You are so ture for that

[golden loom]

have you ever gotten poked on facebook? real ones remember

[dapper cradle]

Right, oculus 😉

[normal mist]

Thanks love

[warm vortex]

I literally explained it you nincompoop

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-monday-monday-sunday-hsr-sunday-hsr-gif-11559738718341554839

[normal mist]

Facebook? That's new. Have you ever heard of MESSENGER??????

[subtle tundra]

fuck mondays

[golden loom]

msn

[subtle tundra]

yahoo messenger gang

[quiet oar]

are you poking me, or are you happy to see me?

[royal lantern]

its tuesday varas

[vestal cliff]

ICQ where

[nova kelp]

imagine coming at people with a "I don't watch cartoons"
but you play hunter

[warm vortex]

Mondays are the only days I get like 100% off

[normal mist]

MSN WAS THE GOAT

[warm vortex]

?

[nova kelp]

I jest good sir

I jest

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/knock-knock-knock-wink-msn-hello-gif-12138854

I can hear

This gif

[warm vortex]

Me to your balls

[rotund oak]

[dapper cradle]

Just the right height, no bucket required

[royal lantern]

@warm vortex btw, its funny that selis rogue is probably older then you

age gapped by a virtual character

[warm vortex]

K rq do any of you know how to make a Gantt chart in excel

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-gif-gif-3799483293319009427

[warm vortex]

True

[nova kelp]

I can hear this gif

[quiet oar]

[eager condor]

just to confirm - once servers are up are we going VV and removing MA and imp garote for raid? or sims need to be done

[rotund oak]

dont think his rogue is older

my original rogue is definitely older

[golden loom]

with all the wow ddosing it reminded me of the 2011 psn outage

24 days of suffering

[quiet oar]

Some people

Are so young

They dont know the irokese Grenade ad

from mister T

[balmy condor]

yes

[nova kelp]

they're all soundcloud rappers though

[warm vessel]

does the m+ change from the suggested one or still the same?

[slow echo]

Whyspr is always lurking

[eager condor]

Thanks @balmy condor

[normal mist]

No problem

[balmy condor]

m+ doesn't change, read pins/wowhead

[nova kelp]

someone once told me he sleeps on occasion, I still don't believe it

[normal mist]

WHISPYR is actually the goat and we love him

[eager condor]

pin says might which is why i asked, makes sense for m+

[slow echo]

You don't even have to ping whypsr

[warm vortex]

Do we though

Jkjk

[normal mist]

Yes

[eager condor]

hadnt seen any sims

[normal mist]

Absolutely

Who else would tell me to swap talents

[nova kelp]

say his name and he appears
I believe in Whispyr

https://tenor.com/view/clap-joe-hendry-gif-13588265419480385996

[balmy condor]

thanks, fixed

[warm vessel]

im really wondering if these buffs make assa the best play for most raid bosses now

[eager condor]

np, thank you

[slow echo]

If you ask any whispyr related question he appears

[warm vessel]

seeing as it was pretty close before

[slow echo]

From the shadows, he's the master of whispers

[warm vessel]

guess well see on logs soon enough

[warm vortex]

Me

[nova kelp]

he appears faster if you say something blatantly wrong about assassination maths

[normal mist]

You're a hunter now

[balmy condor]

I just closed wowhead tabs cause guide updates

[quiet oar]

Fucking Joe Hendry

[balmy condor]

and there was question

[warm vortex]

Yes but I still somewhat know rogue

[balmy condor]

so I answered

[warm vortex]

I think

[normal mist]

Too late

[quiet oar]

You too, but for monsters

[normal mist]

Proof of a hero kicks in

[warm vortex]

So he is a

Monster hunter

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-wilds-gif-16981145542785699719

[nova kelp]

on the topic of sin maths, did you ever actually work out what the increase to execute phase will look like with phat ambush?

[warm vortex]

I find those memes so fucking funny

Just some shitty buildup into “absolute cinema”

[slow echo]

Why craft boots when wrists instead more agility vroooom

[nova kelp]

stats matter!
vers is always bad!
why bis have vers neck!?

I crafted a siphoning dagger

[warm vortex]

Yea ik the sim robot tells me this but like

How high is their Rio?

[slow echo]

I'm 2500 Rio rn

Lowby

[hard river]

Not once

[burnt star]

My name is rolling rubbish. U should believe what i say

[nova kelp]

have you ever seen realz and solo in the same room physically before?

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[frigid kestrel]

@balmy condor Would Clear The Witness be > Mut in Lingering darkness due to the %30 increase in nature damage? Probaly the dumbest question asked today.

[midnight mist]

If I talk

[nova aspen]

i dont mean in dm's

[nova kelp]

oh shit

it's happening again

[nova aspen]

i just meant in outlaw channel

[burnt star]

Look at my damage. (Im the one on top)

[frigid kestrel]

Missed that ma beezy

[nova kelp]

you are rolling rubbish? nice

[burnt star]

Yep!

[nova kelp]

imagine carrying that hard

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239884704178638898/1350779297270337558/earth-shattering-bolt-rey-dau-artwork-by-me-v0-39tttz517voe1.jpg?ex=67e3d840&is=67e286c0&hm=69902e0abf545ea5dc4c387c5d136a08b9441ce9b57e705c596d9f0b7312e569&

[nova kelp]

soooooooo... what's everyone expecting to see in their vaults?

[warm vortex]

Gear

[nova kelp]

that's better than a socket to be fair

[quiet oar]

Hopefully a House of cards or a socket

[timid bramble]

So if someone still is rocking 2 set 2 set. The buff isn't that much since the 2set got nerfed.

[quiet oar]

(Im behind in Gilded Crests)

[balmy condor]

had to actually fix it

sorry for that

[slow echo]

Am I pookies

[warm vortex]

A gun or good trink

[upper thunder]

does mana oil overwrite poisons?

[warm vortex]

So pacemaker, azerokk heart, priory signet

[nova kelp]

man I still haven't been able to get a pacemaker to drop

[golden loom]

poisons arent a weapon buff like in classic for example so you can have whetstone/mana oil on + poisons

[nova kelp]

I have a hero noggenfogger, but like then I have to pretend I'm young enough to play outlaw in raid

[balmy condor]

this might be more clear

bed time

[slow tulip]

whats the expected APM from tomorrow

[balmy condor]

49

[upper thunder]

ty

[balmy condor]

I assume you're asking about raids

[slow tulip]

yes. ❤️ thx a lot

[balmy condor]

np

[astral oxide]

Hi all,
Im currently playing mythic plus with a dev evokes and a bm hunter. Currently playing 12s and 13s.
My aoe as Assa is super nice. But the ST is pretty low. I feel like a bit inting the key due to that. Like ToP for example. I really suck at sub and outlaw. So that’s not an option yet.
Will the % buff make any „big“ difference in the m+ talents that is coming on Wednesday for EU?

[warm vortex]

Got mine on my first try

Then did 24 runs of ToP for a ring

[static glacier]

Not really, you switch tiny toxic blade to blindside if playing bleed build

[warm vortex]

And will most likely need 100 runs for cinder neck

[static glacier]

We will still suck on pure st dungeon bosses

[warm vortex]

Why the fuck do we run tiny toxic blade
Like
Why not use massive toxic blade

Increase shiv damage by idk, a lot

[nova kelp]

eww, that's warrior brain

overcompensation

[slow tulip]

i dont really like tiny stuff too, either make it a massive blade or dont bother :/

[warm vortex]

There’s a different between overcompensating and upgrading

[nova kelp]

we have yuge weiners, we don't need big weapon

[astral oxide]

Damn. I saw that answer coming. ST with energy starvation and no dmg feels so slow and weak.

[static glacier]

I’d love for arterial to be higher on the tree

Fun button to press

[warm vortex]

Meh I feel like it’s a capstone for a reason
Seems p powerful

[static glacier]

Since we have a few high points for it

[warm vortex]

Like I’d want sudden demise to be on like the second row

But still

[balmy condor]

Put kingsbane where imp poison is

[nova kelp]

oh

oooooooh

[static glacier]

It’s just turning a button you ignore on aoe into interaction with spatter, sudden demise and zoldyck

[subtle tundra]

hey any fok rule to get poison on targets with bleeds?

so i get energy

[nova kelp]

mate KB where imp poison is is kinda naughty

[warm vortex]

Shut up Varas

[balmy condor]

Same rules

In raid aoe would want to fok on 3 for that

[subtle tundra]

surely if theres 4 targets and 2 of them are bleeded, ill want to fok to get poison on them

[balmy condor]

But otherwise same

[quartz trellis]

Bleeding?

[balmy condor]

You’d tab mut

[static glacier]

If there’s 4 you fok anyway

[subtle tundra]

with mark and caustic being a thing?

[soft surge]

new assa builds on wowhead

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/neil-patrick-harris-shudder-shrug-disgusted-gif-13575156

[golden loom]

Mouseover mutilate its fkin time

[balmy condor]

Yeah but that swap logic is a bit shaky so don’t take it too seriously

[static glacier]

Thoughts on autoing a 2nd target instead of muting

[balmy condor]

Probably needs another check

[subtle tundra]

ok so i wont do it

ill just fok at my leisure

[warm vortex]

I’m never playing Assa again holy that sounds rotten

[balmy condor]

Yeah sure

[subtle tundra]

(i wont do it at all since i dont play assa)

[willow wren]

Does the sim use mega magnet properly as assa?

[warm vortex]

Same

[nova kelp]

tab mut... fok that

[warm vortex]

Yea I’d just Fok instead tbh

Tab mut is diabolical

[balmy condor]

It was tab mut on 2 since shadowlands

[nova kelp]

diabolical is such a fucking good word

[warm vortex]

Oh I must have read it wrong

[nova kelp]

you know what both tab mut and shadowlands have in common?

[subtle tundra]

yeah but shadowlands didnt have mark and spatter

did it

[nova kelp]

they fucking suck

[subtle tundra]

fucking hell

[warm vortex]

Also that means I’ve been playing Assa wrong this whole time

[balmy condor]

I said since

That includes up to this patch

[nova kelp]

there's correct, and then there's right

[warm vortex]

Imma say S3 BM looking juicy atm

[storm hedge]

But don't we fok on 2 with the m+ builds?

[balmy condor]

2 with hybrid 3 with bleed now yes

[warm vortex]

Bring back pure FoK spam

Everyone loved that

[balmy condor]

No

[nova kelp]

legion fok sin

[balmy condor]

Everyone did not love that

[nova kelp]

foksin was amazing for that 2 weeks

wdym

[golden loom]

Ive actually been watching wotlk assa aoe farm videos recently

Very satisfying

[warm vortex]

See this guy gets it

[nova kelp]

wotlk is the most overrated xpac

[static glacier]

what's most underrated

[pliant remnant]

Shadowlands

[nova kelp]

you'd hate the answer to that, everyone would

it's WoD

[static glacier]

the raids can't carry an expac of trash

cmon

[warm vortex]

Semi agree

[nova kelp]

there's a lot more to wod than the raids

[normal mist]

Cata was actually pretty enjoyable

[nova kelp]

a lot of the current game was carried over from wod designs

[golden loom]

Idk I tried cata classic and it feels weird

[nova kelp]

we just don't recognise it

[static glacier]

what parts

[golden loom]

Like it doesnt feel like vanilla and it doesnt feel like retail

[warm vortex]

I remember someone big ranking Tbc as the 2nd worst expac
And iirc they said if it didn’t have karah it would be the worst
Barny64 I think

[golden loom]

Very weird middleground expac

[static glacier]

I thought legion was the start of "modern" wow then df layed the foundation for the current direction of the game

[nova kelp]

tbc is definitely one of the worst

[warm vortex]

God im so pissed I missed legion

I would have came

[nova kelp]

legion was goated apart from leggo aquisition

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shaking-coke-jorking-cat-gif-7680079603654074925

[golden loom]

TBC has glaives though so kinda goated

[warm vortex]

Jerkin

[static glacier]

lowkey, it was super fun and I say this as a massive lowroller

[warm vortex]

Hope guild gets AotC this week

[nova kelp]

a lot of people rate legion

[static glacier]

the feeling of having different leggos and player power, having your leggo buffed to be good

etc

[warm vortex]

We were stuck on muggy wuggy

So reclear up to him

[nova kelp]

I'd actually say a lot of people rate legion so favourably they forget it kinda sucked prior to the QoL patch

[balmy condor]

Legion mop wotlk bc overrated as shit, last patch bfa overrated, rest of bfa underrated, cata underrated until dragon soul, wod very underrated, Dragonflight overrated, tww so far overrated

[static glacier]

whipsyr you're burning it

[golden loom]

I lowkey wanna play some SoD

[nova kelp]

he's becomming hateful!

[static glacier]

you overcooked so hard I called u whipsyr

[slow tulip]

i didnt like legion in m+ cuz the assa aoe was dog RNG - the poison bomb had to PROC on the pull so you do aoe

:/ fuckign terrible

[balmy condor]

[golden loom]

Been watching a bunch of simonize videos of rogue soloing stuff on SoD, looks fun af

[nova kelp]

hey, that poison bomb hit like the fist of an angry god, even in ST

[warm vortex]

Bro what you mean DF overrated

[balmy condor]

People loved DF

[warm vortex]

I don’t see a lotta people talk about it tbf

[nova kelp]

lots of peeps calling DF the savior

it was good

but like

[warm vortex]

Meh it felt more so mixed at the time

[nova kelp]

chill

[balmy condor]

But aside from meh talent reworks and Aug it was kinda shit

[static glacier]

df fixed a ton of problems

[amber brook]

except aug

[static glacier]

raids were fun no?

[balmy condor]

Aug was cool but very clearly botched

[slow echo]

I don't like talent trees, too many talents 😦

[warm vortex]

I mean
Zones were nice
Dragon riding was good
Raids were good

[balmy condor]

Raids were okay

[warm vortex]

New class (imo) was nice

[nova kelp]

were the df raids good?

[slow echo]

Bring back rows!

[golden loom]

Not having played dragonflight, all I can say is that the zones look fucking amazing

[nova kelp]

amirdrasil was good

the others...

ehhhh

[sullen fjord]

@winged sun bro how the fuck did u do 18M on first flood gate pull?

[warm vortex]

I liked abberus

[sullen fjord]

i cant even reach 15

[static glacier]

each raid had 1-2 problem bosses

[balmy condor]

We haven’t had a good penultimate boss since legion it’s kinda insane

[static glacier]

but largely were solid

[subtle tundra]

kelthuzad

[nova kelp]

mate

[slow echo]

Silken Court was fun

[nova kelp]

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate

[balmy condor]

Nice

[warm vortex]

SLG

[nova kelp]

if they put another avatar in the game

people will riot

[spice spire]

Rygelon

[nova kelp]

wait;...

they did

[spice spire]

Unironically?

[nova kelp]

anduin

[warm vortex]

Actually true

[balmy condor]

Rygelon was fine I guess

[warm vortex]

Anduin wasn’t penultimate

[nova kelp]

it's more the wall

[subtle tundra]

rygelon was not good. it was not bad but like it wasnt good

[nova kelp]

ryegelon was just a target dummy

[warm vortex]

Was tindral liked

[balmy condor]

Last good penultimate was Elisande lowkey

[nova kelp]

rye gallon

[warm vortex]

Or am I misremembering

[balmy condor]

Fuck no

[nova kelp]

tindral goated

[static glacier]

tbh all penultimate bosses from df sucked

[nova kelp]

tindral is one of the best raid bosses ever

[static glacier]

thats true

[nova kelp]

fite me

[balmy condor]

Tindral generally considered one of the most jank pieces of shit

Except for deja I guess

[nimble vector]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[subtle tundra]

tindral was hated by any guild which isnt full of insanely good players

[balmy condor]

Dudes weird as hell

[static glacier]

yes it had an engaging design, but the way it played out was atrocious

[subtle tundra]

so like 99%

[warm vortex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/831697407335071804/1181914464841375754/flabbergasted_dragonriding.gif?ex=67e3df9f&is=67e28e1f&hm=05149e03bb25ba83f2139db75a86d08577b43c5a5057bf6a2876aca2e1a1bb76&

[jolly lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[nova kelp]

tindral was sick

he's no blackhand, but he was awesome

[slow tulip]

whispyr is underrated

[golden loom]

Not a single good penultimate boss since sapphiron

[slow echo]

I got tindral to 95% 😄

[balmy condor]

I still think they haven’t made a raid that comes close to nighthold

[static glacier]

paragons of the klaxxi were cool take that back

[warm vortex]

*ouru

[eager condor]

Tindral was fun on WW, i guess.

[static glacier]

2nd boss I felt bad about killing after nazgrim

[warm vortex]

Black rock foundry?

[slow tulip]

raids are not that epic anymore, just some nps - our size :/

[balmy condor]

That was wod dear

[warm vortex]

Yea

[slow tulip]

cant even compete with legion epicness

[nova kelp]

BRF had some really good bosses, but also some bad ones

[warm vortex]

You never specified before or after

[balmy condor]

After

[nova kelp]

but black hand in BRF is the actual goat raid boss

[warm vortex]

Ah fair

Idk I liked sepul

[balmy condor]

Also I think foundry was worse than nighthold but that’s beside the point

[subtle tundra]

L

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/simon-cowell-bgt-britains-got-talent-stay-away-possessed-gif-16410173

[warm vortex]

Nathria was
Ok
Overrated as fuck tbf

[slow echo]

Blizzard hasn't made a good game since Orcs & Humans

[balmy condor]

Blackrock had some great fights but it also had some stinkers

[subtle tundra]

hmmm i guess i just dont like wow. i cant think of any boss i like

[balmy condor]

Nighthold had one bad fight

[subtle tundra]

i can think of many i hate

one armed bandit

[slow echo]

I loved Smolderon

[spice surge]

Idk i loved tindral, atleast on progress

[spice spire]

What about me

[stoic totem]

What was that? I didn’t play Nighthold

[nova kelp]

that's true, I also agree that as a raid nighthold is better, but the BRF boss greats smoke most bosses

[balmy condor]

Tich

Tich was aids

[subtle tundra]

you are not wow. therefore i like you

[balmy condor]

Am I wow

[warm vortex]

Actually how do we feel about liberation so far

[subtle tundra]

no way

youre beloved

[dense cloud]

anyone knows what this shit means on logs? there is like a - mark

[warm vortex]

I find it p enjoyable minus stix

[nova kelp]

this is probably fair, prog tindral > farmdral

[balmy condor]

I’d enjoy it a lot more if I could play it

[slow echo]

I love risking it for the biscuit on one armed bandit, incredible mechanic, hope they do more of that

[warm vortex]

?

[spice spire]

Did your log get invalidated

[subtle tundra]

bad. sprocket was good until they decided to fucking GUT it

[warm vortex]

I don’t do that
Mainly because I’m flinging the coins back solo

[subtle tundra]

(im talking about mythic, hc is irrelevant to me)

[balmy condor]

?

[dense cloud]

it doesnt say that its invalid

[viscid spear]

Honestly my favorite raid in a long time.
I really love the mechanics of this fights

[indigo mulch]

Isen't US up soon?

[warm vortex]

What do you mean you can’t play it

[slow echo]

It's not even down

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-how-many-times-do-we-need-to-teach-you-old-man-slow-thick-gif-12272188

[nova kelp]

I legit can't make up my mind on undermine raid

[spice spire]

Go to your buffs and check PI (if you got it) that’s the only invalidation I can think of

Atm

[balmy condor]

Comcast won’t let me

[hexed badge]

wowhead isn't loading for me properly, I saw the graphic about the talent change due to buffs. What talents swapped?

[nova kelp]

I hate the trash, I like the theme, I hate the design of stix, I love sprocket

[amber brook]

What about those people who bug abuse for the spark

[viscid spear]

Get Verizon Fios

[indigo mulch]

You're just young. A youngster!

[nova kelp]

I love cauldron

[balmy condor]

2x vicious instead of imp gar/ma

[dense cloud]

0 Pi's

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

Not available

[spice spire]

No idea then

[viscid spear]

I want more of that PA

[nova kelp]

vex is a totally fine opening boss, also the donut to kill people hanging about is funny as fuck

[indigo mulch]

Move to a country with good internet.

[nova kelp]

one arm is...

[warm vortex]

First boss is ok
Carnage is rlly fun
Reverb is aight
Stix is hot shit
Sprocket is fun
One armed is fun, but I’d fucking despise it on anything but BM
And muggy seems like a nice challenge

[balmy condor]

Easy enough let me just uproot myself rq

[nova kelp]

eehhhhhhhhh

[viscid spear]

Didn't you say to drop Arterial?

[indigo mulch]

I did it, why can't you do it? Just do it.

[warm vortex]

Hey at least you’d be out of the US

[balmy condor]

You can, most fights won’t

[nova kelp]

mugzee has interesting mechanics

galy being a bullet hell boss that isn't filled with 10000000000000 "that guy over there stood 3 pixels to the left so you all died" mechanics is awesome

[subtle tundra]

mugzee is a cringefest on mythic and my opinion is based on mythic

[viscid spear]

My dumb ass is only just understanding Caustic is great on every fight but the one

[slow echo]

Rolling coin mechanic for bandit has to be one of my favorite mechanics ever, get a buff or die trying, hell yea

[balmy condor]

Mug’zee is kurog if kurog had a crack addiction and relapsed

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/bold-why-brave-gif-18100499

[nimble vector]

I love afking for 5 minutes so I can play the game for 3 minutes

[nova kelp]

I hated kurog, but that might be because I was with a super corrupt guild that looted everything to RL mates at the time

[tiny thunder]

no, you probably hated it because that boss was ass

[balmy condor]

True

[nova kelp]

maybe both

[tiny thunder]

i don't think he was ever played the correct way, we just cheesed him nonstop and it wasnt fun even when it was easy farm

[subtle tundra]

i love a boss that has an extremely tight comp restriction(one armed bandit into mugzee with different restrictions yaaaaaaaaay)

[warm vortex]

Also Whispyr you always seem so negative

[balmy condor]

If mug’zee is ass then consider me converted to a tit man

[warm vortex]

:(

[balmy condor]

I usually am

[warm vortex]

Yea

[nova kelp]

dude the fucking split second move to x quadrant mechanic was aids

[slow echo]

That's cause he's the master of whispyr's

[tiny thunder]

yeah, that obviously wasn't intended, but it was the only way you were killing it early on, and the only way that made sense after you were geared out of your mind

[spice spire]

Thought you were one of the mobs in priory the way you’re a footman

[balmy condor]

Real

[warm vortex]

Like I see Azor in the hunter discord chill and then I come in here with Whispyr and he is like screaming

[balmy condor]

Hate that guy

[tiny thunder]

id be chill too if i could stand 500 yards away and do my entire rotation while moving away from mechanics/boss

[nova kelp]

whispyr is pure anger

[warm vortex]

Eh he does all 3 of the specs

[nova kelp]

ruthless aggresssion

[warm vortex]

Also exactly why I’m loving BM rn

[balmy condor]

I’d be chill too if I could just hide all my shit behind a paywall and then have it be nothing of value anyway

[tiny thunder]

i play all 3 rogue specs, none of them well

[balmy condor]

Holy cringe man

[nova kelp]

those who don't know him hear "hiya!" and think "oh he's so wholesome
those who know... fear the "hiya"

[tiny thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[warm vortex]

Bro I played one and I sucked ass

Like I’m the guild punching bag for a reason

[tiny thunder]

im like half decent on outlaw, trying to learn assasination for reset

[nova kelp]

outlaw kinda requires near one tricking to really minmax

[balmy condor]

I’m much less negative in person but corralling this zoo brings out the demons

[spice spire]

Demon time?

[golden loom]

😈

[nova kelp]

I'm joking of course, but yeah, I 100% understand

[balmy condor]

YouTube me is much more true me

[viscid spear]

So what fights?

[warm vortex]

Debatable
I met you earlier this year and you immediately started trying to fight me

(Real)

[nova kelp]

did he shadowstep you?

[spice spire]

No he’s based for that

[tiny thunder]

hopefully he didnt rupture you

or garrote you

[balmy condor]

Any fights with adds you go arterial

[nova kelp]

after he shadowstepped you did he open with ambush or garotte?

[warm vortex]

Have you guys seen the video where the guy in like camo gets on all fours and starts running

[viscid spear]

So every fight aside from Lockshockbarrelroll?

[warm vortex]

That’s what happened

[tiny thunder]

u smart

[balmy condor]

Given my internet I rubber banded and cast a mutilate 8 seconds later

[balmy condor]

Prolly

[viscid spear]

No, this is Patrick

[subtle tundra]

im still an asshole irl to some people

[nova kelp]

at least it wasn't garrote - we'd have proof that youre fatebound irl

[vestal cliff]

more UwU less anger

[winged sun]

with a proper tank

[amber brook]

Tank gap

[balmy condor]

I’m an asshole irl to the xfinity support guy in India telling me he’s going to send another technician

[hearty reef]

Hybrid or bleed?

[winged sun]

hybrid

[lost wolf]

tbf xfinity support is horrific

[hearty reef]

Gg i never broke 14m on that pull

Guess hybrid is the play

[wispy epoch]

i'd probably fight you too

[sullen fjord]

youre not playing zoldyck and precision at all?

[winged sun]

no

[wispy epoch]

if i had to meet you irl

[nova kelp]

bleed isn't bad

[tiny thunder]

link talents rn

[nova kelp]

both are good

[winged sun]

you have to spread bleeds very well to do that dps

you cant just rupture twice

and expect 20m

[hearty reef]

Very well

[indigo mulch]

WHAT

I refuse to accept!

[hearty reef]

Bery well chat

[viscid spear]

Would you drop Arterial for TTB in that case or does the latter have specific use

[sullen fjord]

well, thats what i was doing XD

[warm vortex]

Tbf I don’t blame you

[sullen fjord]

i saw you are spreading garrotes mostly

[hearty reef]

Make sure rupture is spread bery well chat

[sullen fjord]

instead of ruptures

[winged sun]

i can show you

a vod

of perfect bleed spreads

sec

i think every gcd was perfect in that run

gonna link in a sec

[balmy condor]

I’ve been trying to get them to fix their own infrastructure for 4 months and they refuse to accept that it’s their problem. I’ve been calling support and literally saying “let’s skip this nonsense, I know more than you so get me someone that can actually help me”, and they usually don’t like that but it shaves 20 minutes off the call so I don’t really care how they feel about it

[wispy epoch]

your pfp weirds me out too

like who is that

is it you?

[royal lantern]

BC was allright for what it wanted to be and actually made WoW a functional Game

WotLK is the pinnacle of overrated shit, the expansion had some of the absolute worst story telling we had in the games History outside of vanilla and BC(which didnt really had a story) and 0 content, just max level->raidlog and do forgetable dungeons for tokens once in a while, 1 good raid, 1 dogshit raid, 1mediocre raid, 1 recycled raid lol

Cata was over ambitious and suffered from there, the world revamp was overall good and needed but the cuts of endgame content did hurt the game for the first half of the expansion, with firelands it became good

MoP was overall good but its bad parts where really bad (extreme daily grind at the beginning, Class desing being a lowpoint for most classes because of the absurd class homogenization, slow content releases), people just forgot the bad parts like they always do

WoD was imo the absolute lowest point ever, dogshit "expansion" that was borderline a scam, max level in 5hours->raidlog, literally nothing to do the entire expansion except raidlogging, yes the raids where good but its absurd that it got green light at all, and good raids cant carry a entire expansion and not a full year like HFC

Legion is WotLK 2.0, overrated as hell and people forgot how horrible all its systems where for the first half of it (cant even PLAY offspecs cus AP, but if you grind AP for your offspec you wasted AP for your mainspec bozo), became OK later, people hype the big names and thats it tbh

BfA is overhated, it did MANY things good and had the probably most solid dungeon/raid rooster of any Expansion , AP grind was kinda bad but really overblown by most people, Azerite Armor aquisition sucked

SL was in its content itself allright, its biggest problem was honestly the really fucking bad release schedule, launch+korthia patch both went on WAAAAAAAY too long with not enough stuff goin on for them

hitting discord cap here

[winged sun]

wtf

thats some yap

[wispy epoch]

i aint reading all that

[nova kelp]

holy god

[balmy condor]

Sorry bout that

[indigo mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/walloftext-gif-15779174454142966223

[viscid spear]

tl;dr + okay boomer

[wispy epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/longestsoloever-lse-yapper-yapping-alert-gif-16222796328902842371

[royal lantern]

i LOVE that i sended that and instantly see 3x "blocked message" show up

[sullen fjord]

link waiting room

[royal lantern]

fucking outlaw brains

[subtle tundra]

i didnt type

[wispy epoch]

he's literally seething lmao

[soft surge]

what a giant wall of shit

[royal lantern]

hey, its a genuine answer to it allright

[viscid spear]

But I don't play Outlaw

[soft surge]

bc was literally a fraud expac

[winged sun]

skip to 02:14:00 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2413359528

[soft surge]

legion is goated

[warm vortex]

Oc thing

[nova kelp]

I actually just read all that, I kinda like most of the points but WoD is giga underrated imo

[soft surge]

didnt need a wall to make that fact known

[balmy condor]

Agree though very based

[wispy epoch]

wtf is an OC

[viscid spear]

Donut Steel

[toxic spear]

AMEN TO THAT BROTHER

[nova kelp]

for the most part though based @royal lantern

[winged sun]

reason why i didnt shiv the shreddinator is that he would've died before my kingsbane ended

[warm vortex]

Lmao I didn’t type either

[winged sun]

@sullen fjord

[balmy condor]

Orange cuice

[warm vortex]

Original character

Just for a thing I’m doing

[sullen fjord]

got it

[wispy epoch]

what thing are you doing

[sullen fjord]

you were on this timed 15 floodgate with my tank friend

he was streaming whole thing

and you were pumping as hell

[viscid spear]

I think I was one of them

[sullen fjord]

+this sub swap into 3rd boss

200iq

yoinking this idea

[lost wolf]

They're the only people that I feel the need to raise my voice to every phone call, you have to reset the modem 3 times at least, you always start with that tier I guy who is absolutely clueless and then you get to tier 2 who is also clueless. I just demand they send out a tech since it's easy enough to run a ping and tracert yourself to rule out your modem/router and most times I've needed their support it's been an issue with a splitter/the circuit itself, or like you said, their infrastructure.

[winged sun]

xdd enjoy

[nova kelp]

if hakari was a rogue he's for sure OL right?

[golden loom]

only gonna disagree with "made WoW a functional Game", cause vanilla already was 😎

[wispy epoch]

100% plus the 2p/4p

[viscid spear]

[wispy epoch]

plus it's bis spec rn

[warm vortex]

A story writing thing me and some friends are doing

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

[wispy epoch]

tell me about this story

[nova kelp]

query, what's everyones details nickname?

or are you boring?

[subtle tundra]

disabled

[indigo mulch]

Pedobear

[wispy epoch]

mythicvault

[real pike]

I'm not having this WotLK slander

[subtle tundra]

as in, details is disabled

[warm vortex]

Eh idk if I can it’s more of a thing between me and them atm sorrryyy :(((((

[nova kelp]

I think I'm creampie senpai atm

[wispy epoch]

is it a sus story or smth?

[indigo mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/ti-tip-sure-ok-mmm-gif-15904745449564885670

[balmy condor]

I have a new line from telephone pole through crawl space, a new Comcast modem cause they didn’t trust mine, and I’m wired directly to said modem with a new lan. My whole house crashes.

We know it’s a problem with the node we sit on as a neighborhood because of a friend calling in a favor to have someone look at it, but there’s no movement happening on it so I just keep being a bitch on the phone until I get someone that will actually listen and send a tech out to the node and not my house

[red schooner]

yellow shaman, cos we had 4 ele shamans on prog team for half of last tier and i wanted to be part of the gang

[runic inlet]

Mines guzzlin gary

[sullen fjord]

@winged sun are you going to ml16?

guy just arrived

[warm vortex]

Nah just a more private thing

[runic inlet]

Bleed build?

[winged sun]

no

[royal lantern]

i mean in cases like classes and playstyles being functional at all

like that "tank paladin" or "dps paladin" where actually a thing and not borderline trolling

[golden loom]

ah fair I guess

[lost wolf]

Hah yeah they won't even help you with a 3rd party modem, had that issue too. But if it's not a last mile issue that'll be tough to get traction on, guess all you can do is be persistent 😦

[severe sparrow]

i thought my elvui was lagging out my game for 3 months till we called xfinity. turns out some our wire in the big room full of wires in my 6 story apartment building is fucked, and the technician just plugged us into another hole and was like "yo tell your building this shit is fucked"

[warm vortex]

What about classic, DF and TWW so far

[golden loom]

they kinda made rogue into IEA only though in TBC right? atleast until glaives

[severe sparrow]

they dont let you get a 3rd party modem if you have certain plans with them either

we have to have theirs and it overheats constantly

[warm vortex]

Find it funny how your getting swarmed with the same question despite hybrid just being better

[golden loom]

also isnt TBC the only expansion ever where mage was bad/mid in PvE?

[nova kelp]

bleed is fine

[balmy condor]

I mean…..

[nova kelp]

hybrid is fine

[severe sparrow]

bleed build is so cozy tho. big brain off vibes.

[warm vortex]

Yea but your the guide writer

That’s your job

[hearty reef]

im all ears

[indigo mulch]

I remember mages topping brutalus in TBC

[hearty reef]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-meme-all-ears-cat-ears-gif-15939285897565502931

[royal lantern]

bro level trought WotLK and take a shoot everytime the following scene appears

lich king appears in some form "you are so weak and will lose! minion! destroy that fool!!!"

you kill the minion

"it doesnt matter! you will lose anyway!" and goes away

i give your liver 2hours before the hospital visit

[balmy condor]

Bleed build ahead in dslice I think, very real sim

Also ahead under 6 targets I think

[nova kelp]

mages are one of the "pure" classes that has had giga bad results over a whole tier in all specs

[hearty reef]

but the tempest, is crimson

[warm vortex]

Mages are blizzard’s fav so it doesn’t matter

[nova kelp]

I mean...

nah tho

[golden loom]

okay nevermind I was wrong, arcane mage was doing big dam in some tiers

[nova kelp]

there's been times where mage was big struggle

[severe sparrow]

i cant remember back to wotlk cuz my brain is too cooked but is anyone really playing wow for the storyline?

these days anyway

[past oracle]

Is thrall still alive or not

[warm vortex]

What other class gets the
“We fixed a bug but since people said it was better bugged we reverted it”

[nova kelp]

when averaging out performance in raids overall through until we hit shadowlands, spriest was actually one of the most consistent performers

but you don't hear people saying "spriest favourite child"

and a lot of people used to point at rogue a lot for the favourite child spot till we got hit with the kil'jaeden tax

this stuff just changes over time

[golden loom]

honestly what about warriors

[spice spire]

Rework time

[warm vortex]

Tbh

[golden loom]

if someone says they are weak in early BC, then yeah ofc they deserve that

[warm vortex]

If we are going spec lifetime compared to performance

Aug and it’s not even fucking close imo

[golden loom]

after being 40% ahead of every other dps in vanilla

and then at the end of every expac they are doing crazy things

[warm vortex]

Having a spec required for something is some nutty glazing

[golden loom]

I mean hasnt Dev seen more play than Aug

like in TWW dev has been brought to both raids

while aug hasnt

(for world first 😎 )

[nova kelp]

if you're going by specific dev attention at events then, like you could look at fire mages at the start of legion

like everything has it's time

[royal lantern]

classic is classic, its basically its own game and more of a warcraft sandbox really

DF took everything REALLY save and tried to build up new fundations, so thats ok in my eyes, the problem was that some of those fundations (aka some talent trees, rogue was one of them kekw) where allready not done well and needed revamps allready, which is not a good sing for quality

TWW im rn kinda negative, they dont really build on the fundations DF gave at all and instead just let them sit there including their problems, Hero Talents are a absolute clusterfuck and 1 of the worst things they ever did and ALSO get kinda waved aside, world content is very boring because they went a bit to far into the "everything is only cosmetic grinds for ultra casuals" direction, so the world feels empty if you dont care for a recolored shoulder piece you wont use, and the amount of buggy and unpolished patch releases is getting ridicolous

[nova kelp]

it's more to do with overall game design direction and the way that it blends with specific class design at particular times

[warm vortex]

Fair I agree

And tbh imo at least

[golden loom]

Honestly though, SoD seems very fun atm, I think the problem is that Phase 3 was so bad that everyone quit

[nova kelp]

classic is zzzzzzzzzzzzz
classic is a solved version of the game

[warm vortex]

After the negative backlash of BFA and SL from the community, taking the safe route was the right choice

Wow is an MMO, the community is the lifeblood

[onyx coyote]

It was fun but wowis spread thin in a way now I'd love to play SOD but thats even more raid days aded on

[royal lantern]

Tomb of Soakgeras and Rogue during it literally changed how they desinged raids lmao

[warm vortex]

How so? I’ve never heard of this and I’m curious

[nova kelp]

it's a thing

[golden loom]

just soak stuff with cloak

[nova kelp]

a big thing

[golden loom]

do the entire raids job solo

[nova kelp]

every fight was "stand in thing or raid die"

[indigo mulch]

I think there was a lot of lost opportunitys with the hero talents to be fair. It could have been a lot cooler than what it is right now. :c

[warm vortex]

Ah so how did they change it

[nova kelp]

and the best class to "stand in thing" was rogue

we had 1 min cloak

[warm vortex]

Also some of it is so badly balanced

[golden loom]

well now soaks are "x amount of people soak or kabooom"

[warm vortex]

You think Assa fatebound is bad?

Look at BM DR

At least 30% behind in M+

[nova kelp]

bm should be the melee hunter spec

[dapper cradle]

Remove cd on cloak of shadows imo

[warm vortex]

And also like unusable ST

[indigo mulch]

Balance is balance, its always going to be iffy. The overall game play is whats important.

[warm vortex]

Rotten take

[nova kelp]

it's just true

it should be

[warm vortex]

Survival suits it so much better

[nova kelp]

it plays like one as is, it suits the lore

[zinc vale]

yo , quick question what enchant you guys use in raid for mostly ST situation depths or radiant power ?

[nova kelp]

it suits the major bm npc

[onyx coyote]

Ultraxion was fun to rogue tank tanks go down rogue stays up and cloaks it sved helers so much healing.

[nova kelp]

it suits the aesthetic

[warm vortex]

Sim but prolly depths no?

[golden loom]

I just have depths on both weapons atm

[warm vortex]

I have stormriders KEK

[golden loom]

idk both that and radiant power do stuff

[indigo mulch]

There is a massive difference with a class and its choices being in a good state and how many numbers you can achieve on details/logs.

[nova kelp]

the shift in making sv the melee hunter spec removed the most popular hunter spec at the time

[vocal basalt]

Nothing screams "survival" like being upfront near the danger

[proud carbon]

hi all

[nova kelp]

mop sv was perhaps one of the best specs the game has ever had

it made sense, and it played godly

bm, thematically and via playstyle is far better suited to being the melee spec and always was
the mess they made of sv was borderline unforgivable

[severe meadow]

Mop was when I had the most fun on hunter, yeah

[nova kelp]

especially when you add to it the fact that thye REMOVED TRAPS

[royal lantern]

tbh, they literally said on the first reveal "its just talents with some thematic behind them"

imo the problem is that hero talents came way to early not all Classes had trees you could call "finished" and they allready build stuff on top of them

and if you build something on a shaky fundation, it will be not a great result

and ofc that blizz is akwardly "forcing" things into classes which many dont like and where mostly ignoring feedback to that + that its very obvious which classes/hero trees had actually effort and thought behind them and which ones dont

[golden loom]

Did you melee weave in MoP?

[warm vortex]

Tbf they shouldn’t have done that

Keep the trap focus

[nova kelp]

at least they backed off on that one, and gave us traps back

but it was a collossal mistake to change sv to the melee spec

"what's your weapon of choice?"
"I throw grenades"
"in melee?"
"yessir"

wtf

that's such a "rexxar" thing to do

wtf

lore much?

it makes absolutely no sense

[severe meadow]

Surv was fun as fuck to level when it first released tbh

The change

[golden loom]

Just make it face hunter from 2014 hearthstone

Smorc

[warm vortex]

Maybe I’m too much of a zoomer

[warm vortex]

Well played? Nope
Well faced? Yep

[nova kelp]

rex was THE bm hunter

[warm vortex]

Sadly I can’t say my favourite line from it

[nova kelp]

THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE bm hunter

he used 2 axes

he melee'd

[warm vortex]

Because it contains a banned word lmao

[nova kelp]

they retconned him because they fucked sv

[warm vortex]

Didn’t blizzard just forget about Redcar

Yea

Redcar

[nova kelp]

and had to be like "oh... fuck... I guess he's sv"

[maiden sierra]

When does NA reset?

[warm vortex]

Rexxar

[golden loom]

where the fuck is valeera btw

my goat

I legit started playing rogue cause I was a rogue main in hearthstone

[nova kelp]

bm being melee makes sense. you get up in the face of the enemy, WITH your pet

you go big red

WITH yhour pet

sv is the ranged guy with a pet, it makes sense, the archetypical hunter

[willow eagle]

Valeera is chilling in doronogal

[golden loom]

wait what where

[warm vortex]

Wait

[willow eagle]

In a secret room

[warm vortex]

Have you not seen it

She is playing strip HS with millhouse

[gusty mirage]

in about an hour & 15 minutes unless there's an extension

[willow eagle]

Imma not tell you, try to find it (x

[warm vortex]

And he is like butt naked

[maiden sierra]

Cheers

[warm vortex]

I wanna find it too tbh

[golden loom]

wait thats based

[warm vortex]

But cba to look

[golden loom]

my queen

[gusty mirage]

apes strong together

[warm vortex]

Idk what rogue I like the most out of cannon wow chars

[gusty mirage]

[warm vortex]

Idk i have the most vanilla, boring one tbh

[willow eagle]

That's an easy one

[nova kelp]

mathias shaw

[warm vortex]

Prolly just Edwin

[willow eagle]

Mr. Shaw

[warm vortex]

XD

[nova kelp]

shaw for sure

[warm vortex]

Cause idk

He looks cool?

Idc about rogue chars much

[royal lantern]

its so weird that hunter has no "normal" ranged pet spec anymore

like, Rangers/Hunters are always displayed as Archers with a Pet

MM had artificaly its pets removed since Legion for no reason

SV was forced into melee

BM is more of a "lol i throw dinosaurs at you xddd" Spec for a long time now

[nova kelp]

also perhaps a hot take, if we EVER get an alliance bad guy
it should be mathias shaw

[gusty mirage]

you look cool, how about that

[golden loom]

Honestly I had no idea Outlaw Rogue was a thing in wow, so when I got the 1000 win portrait in hearthstone I was like "oh weird jack sparrow reference but I guess"

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/catto-gif-17643687004817745866

[gusty mirage]

its okay, neither did blizzard until legion

[warm vortex]

Jaina

??????

[gusty mirage]

then they proceeded to remove all the cool pirate shit outlaw had

lmao

[nova kelp]

youve no idea how much the whole sv change instead of BM triggers the fuck out of me, it ruined hunter

[warm vortex]

Like I wish we got a true pirate hero tree for them

[maiden sierra]

As someone in a guild called "Monkee" i could not agree more

[proud carbon]

just remove rtb and outlaw is fine 😄

[warm vortex]

“It doesn’t fit the other two”

[royal lantern]

valeera is 1 of the absolute least existing characters in the game

they just use her cus there are like, 3 "rogues" with a name at all

[golden loom]

This fella here thinks the Horde are the villains

[warm vortex]

You can say that for lie so many

[nova kelp]

shaw being a bad guy would be so good

SO good

[willow eagle]

Valeera exists moreso in books than ingame lore

[warm vortex]

They were adding depth to one this patch and killed him

[nova kelp]

it's not about the power

it's about the uncrowned

it's about the knowledge

[warm vortex]

It’s about drive it’s about power

[nova kelp]

it's about the "guy behind everything"

[golden loom]

yeah it was just weird to me cause I thought she was cool as fuck in hearthstone

and then learned she does nothing in wow

[warm vortex]

Holy shit zovall reference

[onyx coyote]

They 180'd Voss to make her fit what they wanted

her and Shandris is weird...

[warm vortex]

Oh I forgot Lillian existed

Lmao

[gusty mirage]

cannon barrage was sick idc what anyone says

[nova kelp]

shaw being a bad guy fills all the plot holes
prestor infiltrating the city
anduin getting kidnapped
varian going missing
wrathion vanishing

all fo it

makes sense

if shaw is a bad guy

[onyx coyote]

Last time i played combat was legion cause there was no choice in HFC but to for higher end raid

i have only touched outlaw once when i did break the meta and it was horrible

[nova kelp]

also the shaw heel turn would be GOATED

[gusty mirage]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Cannonball_Barrage

[proud carbon]

and lillian ist outlaw as the fights with 2 swards or am i wrong?

[golden loom]

I mean there isnt really a plot hole, we know its prestor doing her stuff

[nova kelp]

nah

it doesn't though

[golden loom]

Bolvar got rizzed by onyxia

what more is there to say

[nova kelp]

considering all of the stuff si7 get up to and know

considering all of the stuff the uncrowned know

[onyx coyote]

always figured lillian was assassination in the undead opening quests she seems to use two daggers an dpretty purple fire

[nova kelp]

it makes zero sense that prestor had any sway in stormwind ever

[warm vortex]

Tbh my fav char is still dadgar

[nova kelp]

it makes zero sense that anduin got kidnapped

[warm vortex]

What a legend

[proud carbon]

knowledge is power

[golden loom]

wait doesnt Anduin get kidnapped when you reveal that she is onyxia?

[nova kelp]

but if shaw was behind it all, everything makes perfect sense

[willow eagle]

You are overthinking wow lore

[golden loom]

wow lore popps off to be fair

[warm vortex]

Deja, Shaw dickrider
Jkjk

[onyx coyote]

until they retcon it all

[golden loom]

or idk maybe its mid but I love it

[nova kelp]

oh for sure it's overthinking and cope hoping

[royal lantern]

valeera is literally just used as a "rogue posterchild" because its a female elf in revealing armor lol

her "story presence" was being a somewhat bigger charcter in 2 books and thats it lol

[nova kelp]

because without a doubt

if we get an alliance bad guy

it will be the void gods coming along and twirling their moustaches at anduin

[onyx coyote]

She is kinda like Vereesa in a way they pull her out when they need her

[nova kelp]

and he goes HNNNGGGGG THE VOOOOOOOOOOID

[golden loom]

I guess im a simple man

[nova kelp]

and everyone will roll their eyes

[proud carbon]

sometimes i think warcraft is soon at the point where a universe wipe like marvel did it from time to time makes sense...

[nova kelp]

because it's boring

[golden loom]

is vanessa vancleef still alive

[nova kelp]

yeah

she's been in the story recently

[golden loom]

post-legion?

[willow eagle]

Vanessa is chilling as well

[nova kelp]

when shaw sends you and valeera to go do shit

you know

because shaw is in charge

because he's actually the guy with his hand in all the pies

[proud carbon]

the fact that no dead is heavy any more because... ok they live in shadowlands .. kind of.... is terrible

[golden loom]

yeah that stuff always kinda blows

[willow eagle]

Gallywix got sent to revendreth for sure btw

[nova kelp]

also I kinda wish we could have seen how much of a badass nathanos was in the actual game, but since we didn't we just got memes

[warm vortex]

Is he really dead tho

It seems so

Idk

[golden loom]

I mean his story is at an end anyways

[nova kelp]

what if galy got sent to the angel place

[opaque oriole]

hi, got a question regarding embelishments, i see that ascension + banding is recommended by wowhead but i see a lot of ppl playing neck + dagger with dmg proc. So, whats the best option for m+ right now? (ik that embelishments dont do much)

[nova kelp]

and he's a hot chick now

[royal lantern]

ok mate sorry but

shadowlands are a thing since WC2

and by that logic, IRL death doesnt matter because "they life on in the afterlife" is a cornerstone of almostnevery Religion lol

[warm vortex]

Sim

[royal lantern]

probs from sub

[golden loom]

think the point is more that seeing it makes it real

[onyx coyote]

if you ran loyalist you got more nathanos story

[nova kelp]

because everyone moonlights as sin/sub

you did

but you didn't get to see him in action

[onyx coyote]

They put a lot of extra scenes behind being loyal to Sylvanas

[golden loom]

like if its this mysterious thing then its kinda neat

[nova kelp]

dude literally nearly kills multiple loa

solo

[golden loom]

but going straight into the shadowlands and seeing the mechanics of it seems weird

[nova kelp]

and we don't get to see him in action

[proud carbon]

because its for long time in the lore makes the shadowlands not better for me lorewise....

[royal lantern]

man, my DnD wizard is lvl14 and can do planear travel cus of it, which includes afterlife

the biggest story part was that he lost his family

[nova kelp]

they relegated him to book content alone

and it's sad

[onyx coyote]

OR PDF content

the whole story of why he had his body so preserved was a pdf on the website

[warm vortex]

I’ve seen a lot of people say having the shadowlands be a thing makes character deaths a lot less impactful

[nova kelp]

also the whole thing how he's sylvanas's pet meme is sadge

[gusty mirage]

p sure the tldr is that the alternative can be slightly better in m+ (depending on your gear) so the recommendation is that ascension isn't too far behind and it's better for raid

[winged sun]

why are people asking about bleed buildd

[wanton spear]

sims updated with the buffs or not yet?

[nova kelp]

it was HER who desperately brought him back

lol

[proud carbon]

in a mystery level... ok... but this is stuff thats need to be unclear and unexplained

[winged sun]

how big of a difference is the bleed build

in sims

[royal lantern]

ok, and why does that matter, we cant go there anymore and they are still dead

[rich kayak]

Is there a new talent build for raid with the buffs?

[twilit flint]

do we avoid pressing FoK in aoe all together?

[wanton spear]

anytime i sim the bleed build its always worse

[nova kelp]

weird

single target yeah

[golden loom]

for me it has similar vibes to stories with parallel universes, like its neat sometimes but then when its like The Flash where they had a new version of one character die every season in an emotional way, just to have a parallel version of him replace him

[nova kelp]

but dslice shouldn't

[royal lantern]

lets be honest, if she said "whos a good boy" he would TOTALLY start barking

[gaunt tree]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[nova kelp]

but no though, the whole reason she was infatuated with him was that he didn't bend