You wouldn’t top a goblin
#assassination
spice spire
golden loom
CT did do some work to be fair
dapper cradle
Brother you want that sced sectech
Slammin those ads
Like quake slams unsuspecting fathers
royal lantern
i was used as the benchmark for everyone Else
"if you do less add dmg then him, you get called out"
nova aspen
Brother you want that sced sectech
we killed riky reverb last night and i tied a fury and a ww for add damage
i love chunking like 25% barrel hp with a juiced sectec
dapper cradle
Yeah our WW and I were basically tied for first
golden loom
had some pulls where I did 50m and some pulls were i did 10m
and then the best CT pull we had giga spawns and I did 123m before we wiped at 34% 
royal lantern
and the best banger, when he told our DH once "you did less dmg on the adds then Holy Word: Chastice"
golden loom
rik hitbox also seems small for spatter
maybe not tho, idk and idm sitting out, had fun regardless
tawny geyser
I’m also sitting out atm
golden loom
boss didnt die after that anyways
graceful bane
I volunteered to sit for stix
same but they wont bench me. I dont want to play the trash man
tawny geyser
We doing Stix tonight. Not sure what to expect😁
graceful bane
sadly one of our boomys was out so I had to be in
dapper cradle
Monday night raiding is crazy
tawny geyser
Meh, as long as its 2 day, im good. Cant raid more than that sadly.
peak bobcat
rik hitbox also seems small for spatter
Only spatters in front of him for some reason
The way he’s facing
warm vortex
Monday night raiding is crazy
wNot as bad as saturday morning raiding
golden loom
we also had 11 deaths in the intermission at 6 min on cauldron and still killed it at 7:20
warm vortex
7am - 11 am
golden loom
Only spatters in front of him for some reason
wait really?
peak bobcat
That’s what I noticed
Barrels in front get smoked by spatter and barrels behind don’t get touched
timid bramble
my guild raids 2 nights a week and we are 3/8M
some guilds are raiding 4 nights a week and are still 2/8M
tawny geyser
my guild raids 2 nights a week and we are 3/8M
Yeah same, I guess thats a good pace for a 2 day
tawny geyser
Sadly im only 2/8 cuz had to skip Rik, but im in next reset
golden loom
this many deaths and boss still died is kinda funny
wanton nest
Guide says to use shiv and tea at same time, would that not make tea miss the last hit of kb?
Or do we delay the tea to line up with end of kb?
dapper cradle
You don’t delay tea for anything
You just use it for energy during shiv
The only thing you’re aligning is your shiv relative to your KB
wanton nest
Ok
warm vortex
Guys finally got my ring
grim jay
Mastery is just a bonus
You are a bonus to my life, babe
red schooner
didn't even get avoidance, delete it and try again
spice spire
You are a bonus to my life, babe
Ty bbgirl
warm vortex
True
Gonna make my rats look like that rq
Biggie cheese 1 and 2 and 3 and 4
spice spire
dapper cradle
https://tenor.com/view/biggie-cheese-gif-27093353
They call me mr. Bombastic
spice spire
They call me mr. Bombastic
grim jay
I pugged heroic yesterday
spice spire
I’m sorry
grim jay
Rolled a 99 on house
warm vortex
spice spire
Love cheese
warm vortex
But I still got it
Davyn stay winnyn
warm vortex
Love cheese
Such a queen tbf
spice spire
It’s okay so far; kind of an odd casting on Kevin spacey, but casting a predator as an American politician kinda makes sense
gusty mirage
https://tenor.com/view/biggie-cheese-gif-27093353
You a rat fuck
spice spire
I’m going to kiss you on the lips dog I swear to god
gusty mirage
Also Kevin spacey was cast before the allegations and forced to resign after the allegations
warm vortex
Let's get him from the front and the back so he can't avoid it
spice spire
Also Kevin spacey was cast before the allegations and forced to resign after the...
Do not ruin my bit dude
I watched it live
static glacier
You a rat fuck
spice spire
HoC’s ending was just weird ngl
Didn’t watch post spacey because it was pigeon holed content imo
gusty mirage
Ye
spice spire
gusty mirage
Also Frank’s actions felt very forced for most of the show
warm vortex
rare jackal
gusty mirage
And the “sneaky” shit was just ridiculously stupid
West Wing still the most goated US politics drama
spice spire
Also having a menty b solved by your wife fucking you is just a wild one
rare jackal
West Wing still the most goated US politics drama
i rewatched house of cards recently, might have to check this one out
grim jay
Also having a menty b solved by your wife fucking you is just a wild one
Is it tho
gusty mirage
West wing feels more… real? For the lack of a better way to describe it
warm vortex
I'm from germany, I dont need any more political drama
Tbh most people in the word don't need politcal drama
gusty mirage
It feels like you’re in the White House watching the dif parts moving
rare jackal
and yeh, the series went to shit after spacey left
although even with him it kinda lost some steam after season 2
rare jackal
ye
gusty mirage
although even with him it kinda lost some steam after season 2
Big time
It just got ridiculous lmao
warm vortex
Ok other words
gusty mirage
Which sucks because first two seasons were really really good
warm vortex
Minecraft movie
Looks fucking funny as hell
rare jackal
but rewatching it recently reminded me how many goated actresses were in that show
gusty mirage
I thought you were going to make a “house of cards” joke
gusty mirage
spice spire
We’re not going into politics biggly fwiw but in general it’s not a great topic for obvious reasons
gusty mirage
I’m just a glorified internet janitor, whether topics are appreciated or not are the scary purple named people’s decision
warm vortex
Yea
gusty mirage
https://tenor.com/view/monkey-limbani-monkey-wash-gif-19021407
Actual footage of me
warm vortex
I'm sure he would do a good job#
warm vortex
Actual footage of me
Oh that's you?
warm vortex
I mistook it for a fury warrior
royal lantern
I’m just a glorified internet janitor, whether topics are appreciated or not are...
"scary"
shien can be distracted with catnip
gusty mirage
Oh that's you?
warm vortex
"The nethah"
and
"Flint and steel"
is so funny
He is like a child just saying shit whenever they pick it up
gusty mirage
"scary"
shien can be distracted with catnip
He’s Norwegian, idk what that even means
Norway? More like No Way amirite?
royal lantern
not a real country, made up by sweden
rare jackal
I’m just a glorified internet janitor, whether topics are appreciated or not are...
queue up "he does it for free" joke
gusty mirage
not a real country, made up by sweden
Just like Finland was invented by the Russians and Japanese to secretly fish up the best fish 
@vernal adder and @limber lion aren’t real
gusty mirage
rare jackal
fin
fish have "fins"
hmmm noticing something here
patent iron
is anyone using a WA that tracks lingering darkness?
royal lantern
is anyone using a WA that tracks lingering darkness?
whisp pack is tracking it, but tbh its not really needed
gusty mirage
<a:Scared:1209924805902475274>
I still love u pumpkin titties
runic inlet
Pumpkin taters
subtle tundra
midnight scroll
is there any plater mod or something that lets me see if my off-targets are affected by caustic spatter?
fossil trail
is there any plater mod or something that lets me see if my off-targets are affe...
I believe whispyrs plater profile tracks it, could be wrong on the off-targets though
midnight scroll
i wanna suggest to my raid leader to put me out of jails on mug'zee tonight so i can spatter them, how will i know if i'm actually hitting them with it?
grim jay
I believe whispyrs plater profile tracks it, could be wrong on the off-targets t...
It tracks spatter itself ye
grim jay
i wanna suggest to my raid leader to put me out of jails on mug'zee tonight so i...
Can only look at details, dont know if it would even reach them either way
royal lantern
i wanna suggest to my raid leader to put me out of jails on mug'zee tonight so i...
you check spatter dmg after a pull
dapper halo
midnight scroll
!plater
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
marble hemlock
West Wing still the most goated US politics drama
based and real
vestal cliff
does anyone have some tipps for rik? hows assa on that fight?
vestal cliff
guess we go into transmitter prison again kekw
midnight scroll
ATM. dont just play sub
man i went assassination just so i didn't have to play sub 😦
astral plover
Caustic dont dmg the barrels enough. thats my issue there
i tried it last night. i did so much better on Sub than Sin. just for barrel DMG. and thats the main issue i think ppl have on rik
midnight scroll
yea rik is definitely a low point for us right now
astral plover
i hope we look better on Stix. cuz sub again was alot better there last night
royal lantern
man i went assassination just so i didn't have to play sub 😦
mate, we Killed it in ~1hour and nobody cared that i was assa lol
people love to overreact once again (like always)
astral plover
i mean, if u dont need the add dmg that sub can bring. sure go for Sin. but we sadly needed more add dmg. than what i could bring as asin
royal lantern
i mean, if u dont need the add dmg that sub can bring. sure go for Sin. but we s...
ngl, if my rl would tell me "swap soecs for add dmg" i would ask him to say the same to our fire mage
and check logs and see how many people actually swapped in the first place
(a few dont, trust me)
its funny how a fight with important adds always has you struggle with them until you wiped 4x too them and the RL tells everyone that they must actually swap
golden loom
Honesly dont think CT is too bad there
royal lantern
Honesly dont think CT is too bad there
nah lol
golden loom
like adds are the only problem on that fight
royal lantern
yes and CT needs stuff to be alive for a while
and stacked
stacked is rng, and they die fast
nova aspen
time to demise max those barrels
golden loom
like on this pull CT did a lot of work
indigo mulch
astral plover
How much dmg did he do to adds tho?
coral ibex
ct is bad on rik for sure
really depends on good spawns
which would mean you dont really need the ct damage
since the spawns are good
golden loom
idk CT hits some adds that spatter dont
royal lantern
spatter feels buggy there tbh
golden loom
exactly
royal lantern
like, i had spatter not hit barrels that where REALLY close to him
coral ibex
taking CT griefs ur boss damage and you already do fuck all to the mobs
just hit the boss and fok adds if they're close
royal lantern
^
midnight scroll
should we even be expected to make those kinds of changes? i mean there are a lot more classes that have good aoe dmg without losing as much st as we do
royal lantern
should we even be expected to make those kinds of changes? i mean there are a lo...
no
what newj said
coral ibex
if YOUR spec is the difference between failing and killing adds on rik
ur comp is turbo ass
royal lantern
not even comp
coral ibex
and i say that as someone who killed rik with a turbo ass comp
royal lantern
people just ignore them at that point
and trust me, MANY players fo that
"eh somebody else will do that, gotta blast the boss" is a very common mindset
whole mason
I saw pre combat super charged in fuu's spreadsheet, how we get them?
golden loom
idk I was dead last on add damage the entire night
coral ibex
yea true
modest apex
why are there two bars in whyspr's afenar wa edit one for evenom i guess but i dont understand
coral ibex
should be like that
royal lantern
idk I was dead last on add damage the entire night <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
well yeah, you will be
spice surge
should we even be expected to make those kinds of changes? i mean there are a lo...
I mean sure, but would you prefer to wipe because an add had 2M HP left?
golden loom
until I swapped to CT for like 3 pulls, there I was like 4th and still did good boss dam
royal lantern
if somebody is under assa, what are they doing
sonic schooner
if somebody is under assa, what are they doing
amazon shopping while waiting for flag and blades to come back
royal lantern
bruh
sonic schooner
coral ibex
only a dead hunter and uhdk below me
astral plover
At the end of the day. play what ever you want. but some times some bosses sway to a spec moer than the others. thats just how it is. There are still ppl out here playing Arcane remember
royal lantern
add damage on rik
what are those ret paladins
normal ret paladin brain will go full tunnel vision divine storm spam the second a 2nd HP bar appears on their screen
coral ibex
sonic schooner
At the end of the day. play what ever you want. but some times some bosses sway ...
and as true that is, also all 3 rogue specs do kinda equally great this raid so
nova aspen
they are the most played spec
coral ibex
i wasn't kidding
midnight scroll
is it worth going CT on stix though?
royal lantern
probably?
astral plover
royal lantern
hard to say, most rogues are benched there
astral plover
our add dmg last night
astral plover
is it worth going CT on stix though?
I dont think so, adds die too quick. then u would have to go sudden demise or some random build. stick out untill wednesday and we will see there. it felt fking bad last night.
midnight scroll
I dont think so, adds die too quick. then u would have to go sudden demise or so...
i was 6th on dps with caustic on our last hc kill, could be better though i feel like
royal lantern
I dont think so, adds die too quick. then u would have to go sudden demise or so...
full ST always
aoe is padding
padding is what boomkins do, do you wanna be compared with a boomkin??
ethical dmg only 
astral plover
my comments is for Mythic
spice surge
Padding is ST though 
astral plover
Anything goes in HC
royal lantern
Padding is ST though <:kek:365510869557444628>
SSSSSHHHHHH
peak lake
I tryed ct before stix nerf and it was meh, after the nerf im pretty sure ite trolling
Its
pliant gazelle
Do you guys have problems with the Signet of the Priory macro into Deathmark ? I often have to press an other button and repress my macro for the trinket to be used. The problem doesnt seem to happen with other trinkets. The macro is really basic.
#showtooltip Deathmark
/use 13
/cast DeathMark
royal lantern
Do you guys have problems with the Signet of the Priory macro into Deathmark ? I...
is it in m+?
peak lake
Adds are coming 1 by 1 and die quickly so u dont have a good ct timing
static glacier
Do you guys have problems with the Signet of the Priory macro into Deathmark ? I...
its the affix
fucking up our cd sync
royal lantern
^
static glacier
fuck this cdr affix, hated it since s1
spice spire
What about me dog
royal lantern
its INSANE on shit like ret / hunters
not its not, cus bm doesnt even use cds anymore
static glacier
not its not, cus bm doesnt even use cds anymore
thats why its insane xd
more kcs, more barbeds feeding into better bestial frenzy
the 2 min bm build will dislike it like us bc of desync
but cdless loves it
pliant gazelle
I know about the CDR affix, but I'm fairly sure my trinket is off CD when the problem happen. Could my WA be wrong and think that my trinket is off CD when it's not ?
pliant gazelle
No house of cards here
pliant gazelle
Since I'm unable to reproduce the problem in Dornogal, I guess you are right, and problems come from the CDR and my WA
static glacier
#showtooltip deathmark
/use Deathmark
/use Fleeting Tempered Potion
/use Tempered Potion
/use 13
/use 14
/use Ancestral Call(Racial)
spice spire
spice spire
That’s cursed
fallow canopy
Brother uses everything in sight
midnight scroll
#showtooltip deathmark
/use Deathmark
/use Fleeting Tempered Potion
/use Tempere...
god damn you're like an arms warrior in cataclysm
static glacier
bro you do not want to hear about my MoP warlock opener macro on mousewheel
me during opener ^
for like 10 globals
spice spire
You and stealthi need to have a powwow
Mf did a like 25s cast sequence macro for zaqali
static glacier
I do remove the pots if we hold them
golden loom
#showtooltip Deathmark
/use 13
/use 14
/use item:212971
/use item:212970
/use item:212969
/use item:212265
/use item:212264
/use item:212263
/cast Deathmark
my macro
golden loom
its all fleeting pots and pots by rank
static glacier
don't tell me you guys manually press priory / pots
golden loom
so if I wanna use rank 2 pot I just bank my rank 3 pots 😎
fallow canopy
#showtooltip Deathmark
/use 13
/use 14
/use item:212971
/use item:212970
/use it...
I use the same, except only 13
static glacier
so if I wanna use rank 2 pot I just bank my rank 3 pots 😎
I used to just let god take the wheel, recently stopped using r2 forever
static glacier
I use the same, except only 13
was using ovinax egg until recently
golden loom
I use fleeting / rank 3 for raid and rank 2 for M+
the prices on rank 3s are crazy atm!
spice spire
don't tell me you guys manually press priory / pots
Nah just a 13 user
Egg makes sense
golden loom
but what if someone hacks you and switches ur trinket slots
fallow canopy
Just type /use signet of the priory mid burst smh my head
golden loom
instead of /use ITEM NAME
also for some reason this was messing up for me when swapping between pot ranks
even tho if you like link the item to the macro, both say the same thing
static glacier
fair fair
frozen wren
I use my Super Nintendo controller to press my trinkets
fallow canopy
Based and retropilled
dapper cradle
What did you have it bound to?
balmy condor
is there any plater mod or something that lets me see if my off-targets are affe...
Out of curiosity what would the point be of tracking it on off targets, if it leaves your target for some reason you just move it back no?
static glacier
anyone have a plater that makes ur dsm target easy to get back to?
midnight scroll
Out of curiosity what would the point be of tracking it on off targets, if it le...
i was just thinking about how to get myself out of jails on mug'zee while still being useful in damaging them
static glacier
i was just thinking about how to get myself out of jails on mug'zee while still ...
could just have details showing dmg dealt to those adds
midnight scroll
and i'm not sure if i'm even gonna reach them with caustic
balmy condor
i was just thinking about how to get myself out of jails on mug'zee while still ...
Yeah you just hit boss
Caustic reaches
Gg
static glacier
not really under your control tho
midnight scroll
Yeah you just hit boss
hell yeah
balmy condor
But that’s got nothing to do with caustic on off targets
static glacier
tanks / jail placement is it
balmy condor
midnight scroll
But that’s got nothing to do with caustic on off targets
well now i don't need to track that 😄
imma talk to my RL about that
balmy condor
Yeah
Is this a “I spread caustic to multiple targets not realizing its limit 1” moment
It’s starting to feel like that
midnight scroll
because i wanted to be able to say mid fight if it's reaching them or not reaching them, i know it should be on the main target, just wanted to find a way to not have to wait until the end of the pull to see if i actually did damage to them with caustic
balmy condor
omg is that whispyr from wowhead
Could be
warm vortex
Ez boss damage
midnight scroll
but if it's reaching them 100% then it's all good
red schooner
because i wanted to be able to say mid fight if it's reaching them or not reachi...
nah just adopt the mindset of 'if the add ain't in caustic range, it ain't my problem'
warm vortex
Just spatter your green goo all over them harder
But yea
Since my group has more than enough damage on the cages and swapping from boss to them is like pulling teeth for me
My guild lets me just dps boss
balmy condor
because i wanted to be able to say mid fight if it's reaching them or not reachi...
If this is the goal, you can turn on your floating damage numbers and just hit boss and see if the adds shit out numbers idk
balmy condor
But you never leave boss
You’re an assa rogue
And moving your caustic off the boss would be giga troll
static glacier
bro this line of talking isn't helping my case
for playing this spec over the others xd
warm vortex
At least you guys don't have pets that struggle to get into the cages for like 20 seconds
or 20 years rather
At least how it feels
static glacier
At least you guys don't have pets that struggle to get into the cages for like 2...
is mm legal for that fight?
royal lantern
for playing this spec over the others xd
assa has execute dmg and the cutest players
warm vortex
Like you tryan
scarlet sequoia
@balmy condor where assa talents
balmy condor
Wdym
scarlet sequoia
i dont see any strings in the pins so im wondering where to find a single target build
with hotfixes in mind ideally
scarlet sequoia
so its just the ones u have on ur guide and then those changes on reset
spice spire
yes
balmy condor
Yes, and guide will update tonight
scarlet sequoia
legendary
dapper cradle
can't wait to goon to guide updates
onyx linden
still weird to me ttb is better than imp gar or arterial
spice surge
Well bleeds dont do any damage
idle radish
exsanguinate being a 45 second button
royal lantern
Yes, and guide will update tonight
how do you know that
dapper cradle
frees up energy for more muts and envenoms
spice surge
If you could get MA without imp garrote it would almost certainly be that instead
balmy condor
how do you know that
I’m friends with the guide writer
onyx linden
yeah but shiv doesn't do damage either. I guess its just the energy lol
royal lantern
I’m friends with the guide writer
you know John WoWhead??
static glacier
I’m friends with the guide writer
friends with DN
balmy condor
yeah but shiv doesn't do damage either. I guess its just the energy lol
It kinda hits with ttb
static glacier
considering its 8t
royal lantern
wait, is shiv nature or physical dmg
static glacier
its actually a decent global and it spatters
royal lantern
dont know rn
static glacier
nature
balmy condor
Ye
static glacier
without ttb its back to being 
balmy condor
Ovi’nax shivs hitting for like 8mil+ on spider spawns
In s1
Imp gar is basically just +1 garrote every 2 min
static glacier
Imp gar is basically just +1 garrote every 2 min
could argue +2. something
balmy condor
Sure with adds you cleave
static glacier
+2 bc of dm and the something is due to temporary buffs from trinket / lust / MA
i meant more on 1t
balmy condor
I already factored that
static glacier
anyways ye its kinda fake
onyx linden
Shiv isn't 8t if you drop arterial though
on one target ttb is like nothing, just seems weird to me
static glacier
no builds take ttb without art
spice surge
Well mutilate ambush almost does the same damage as garrote
onyx linden
no builds take ttb without art
is that not the new build?
spice surge
So ttb is a couple of extra mutilate casts across the fight
balmy condor
Ye
static glacier
is that not the new build?
which new build
onyx linden
brisk path
are there any notable trinket changes for us?
static glacier
y'know what's funny about garotte
onyx linden
200% is .6
balmy condor
are there any notable trinket changes for us?
Not really
static glacier
id be amazed if it was better than rake
royal lantern
are there any notable trinket changes for us?
not really
magnet is now also a decent choice, but if you had pacemaker allready, it doesnt change
onyx linden
garrote is what like 4-5%? so 50% garrote is not great
spice surge
But ye ambush DPE being close to garrote is quite something
brisk path
not really
magnet is now also a decent choice, but if you had pacemaker allread...
am running sus. energy drink + signet as it sims higher than any combination with seaforium for me
royal lantern
am running sus. energy drink + signet as it sims higher than any combination wit...
probs too much crit
you want signet to give mastery
and pacemaker gives a big chunk crit
brisk path
probs too much crit
i'll try to shift gems and enchants to see what I come up with
cerulean walrus
remember 3x shrouded suffocation garotte in BfA?
Before they gutted the hell out of it 
That shit was ridiculous
cerulean walrus
Yo when are they bringing back echoing knives?
static glacier
static glacier
CT is the new echoing blades
they will keep juicing it til nothing else matters, trust
cerulean walrus
Clear the Witnesses boosted Echoing Blades?
I’d cream
In @pastel onyx’s pops
WRONG QUAKE
WRONG QUAKE
@spice spire look what you made me do
static glacier
storm forum
spice spire
<@226508540746006528> look what you made me do
You don’t need me as an excuse for you to be a dumbass
You’re fine at that on your own ohio man
spice spire
Yeah enjoy Kazakhstan bozo (iirc that’s where alim is from)
Plus that means alim will show up and that’s never a bad day 
balmy condor
And his pops
spice spire
?
onyx linden
So ttb gives you 0.46% shiv damage and 330 energy here for 5.5 extra mutilates out of ~100 at 12% dmg. That still doesn't seem better than 50% more garrote dmg at 4%, which would be 2% more dmg. Am I missing something? TTB doesn't seem good.
Oh I guess you get more env with more mut
yeah I dunno
wtv
spice surge
Its not 50% more damage to all garrote damage
onyx linden
Its not?
spice surge
Its 50% to the garrotes used from stealth
royal lantern
its 50% to stealth garrotes mate lol
onyx linden
Oh fuck yeah its from stealth only
I'm dumb thats it
I was thinking it worked like shrouded always more dmg
nvm
my bad
static glacier
So ttb gives you 0.46% shiv damage and 330 energy here for 5.5 extra mutilates o...
bro out here living in a timeline where improved garotte is 2.5x as good as shrouded suffocation
onyx linden
lmao
balmy condor
Dropping bloody mess is still -0.5%
Cause imp poison sucks so bad
Imagine if imp poison was a real talent
We’d just drop every single bleed talent
spice surge
Too bad MA is locked behind bleed talents
golden loom
randomly make it 5% more poison damage rather than application chance
static glacier
gonna feel wierd to not have MA anymore
balmy condor
I mean you can, it’s 0.5%
static glacier
or maybe they make our wep poisons do good dmg again
anyone remember MoP sin
deadly poison top aoe dmg
cerulean walrus
Not having MA just like the start is gonna be comfy as hell tbh
Never having to vanish?
balmy condor
randomly make it 5% more poison damage rather than application chance
Realistically would need to be like 30% at least
static glacier
Never having to vanish?
brother my vanish is tied to my 2nd shiv, my brain can't compute not pressing shiv > vanish > env > gar
static glacier
Realistically would need to be like 30% at least
no shot
this would juice kingsbane to some crazy degree surely
golden loom
by 5%
onyx linden
Assassination spec never vanishes, priate spec spams it
balmy condor
How would weapon poison damage% buff kingsbane
spice surge
Sub being the spec least reliant on restealths in m+
golden loom
oh wait true its not a weapon poison
balmy condor
Did you read the hypothetical I was replying to
golden loom
its a lethal poison (but not a lethal weapon poison)
static glacier
I just did now
balmy condor
Nice
fallow canopy
the good ending
static glacier
I mean maaaaybe we could count envenom in poison dmg +%
and kingsbane too why not
red schooner
remember 3x shrouded suffocation garotte in BfA?
it was glorious, absolutely popping the fuck off on pull
balmy condor
Yes if it were poison
golden loom
balmy condor
And not weapon poison
golden loom
I love stuff
balmy condor
If it were just poisons then 5% is reasonable
static glacier
i hate blizz sometimes
cerulean maple
wow this was frustrating to read while catching up with chat lmfao, trying to talk to people who ask a "question" they dont want an answer to is the worst
golden loom
Honestly what wow needs is that if you hover over a talent it highlights all the spells it effects
onyx linden
They should put DTB back to no penalty, then you get imp poison for free
balmy condor
wow this was frustrating to read while catching up with chat lmfao, trying to ta...
You read back 2 day old convos?
cerulean maple
You read back 2 day old convos?
not usually but i was trying to find where someone pinged me and it caught my attention
red schooner
we need to catch up on the lore somehow
balmy condor
I see
cerulean maple
so whenever im skimming stuff i'll just read wahtever catches my eye
balmy condor
Yeah I do that too
static glacier
not usually but i was trying to find where someone pinged me and it caught my at...
I dont even read more than the message im responding to
lethal arrow
The lore goes deep on this one
golden loom
Wait so what are the nature over time damage effects that count for lethal dose
Kingsbane?
static glacier
from what I saw the lore is someone doesn't appreciate that downtime can create decisions and needs constant dopamine from gcd capped gameplay
nova shadow
guys do you use macro for signet, potion, deathmark
shy creek
Honestly what wow needs is that if you hover over a talent it highlights all the...
If you search a talent in the talent tree it does that
balmy condor
Wait so what are the nature over time damage effects that count for lethal dose
I mean count nature damage over time
cerulean maple
Wait so what are the nature over time damage effects that count for lethal dose
i was gna answer and then realized idk wtf im talking about so... also curious now
static glacier
guys do you use macro for signet, potion, deathmark
#showtooltip deathmark
/use Deathmark
/use Fleeting Tempered Potion
/use Tempered Potion
/use 13
/use 14
/use Ancestral Call(Racial)
golden loom
Yeah it also states weapon poisons so I assumed deadly falls under that
idk I hate how everything is worded and named the same
balmy condor
It’s actually much much clearer now you just have to take things very directly
Used to be way worse
nova shadow
#showtooltip deathmark
/use Deathmark
/use Fleeting Tempered Potion
/use Tempere...
What is the 14 assume 13 is signet
thanks btw
lethal arrow
Who tf puts on use on 13
static glacier
What is the 14 assume 13 is signet
both trinkets, feel free to remove it if using double on use
nova shadow
xd I meant 14 is for signet
lethal arrow
Psycho behavior
cerulean maple
i always put both bc i forget to move htem to the right slot
static glacier
I have it bc of ovinax egg
golden loom
13 is based cause its on top
cerulean maple
Used to be way worse
i used to get into some interesting debates over the wording in wow talents
fathom radish
am i the only one who updates my macro everytime i get a new on use with the name of the item 
nova shadow
both trinkets, feel free to remove it if using double on use
No no I use mechano-core as the 2nd
What about the fleeting temepred potion what is that
static glacier
its the pot you get from potion cauldrons
golden loom
so kingsbane is literally called a lethal poison, but it does not get duplicated by deathmark
cerulean maple
anyway this is the comment i was looking for
i wanted to ask if yall know a low investment way to try out outlaw properly? iirc the stat spread / prio is completely different from sin (more vers/haste or smth i would imagine) and .. i dont have any fists / slow weapons
golden loom
okay its kind of a pointless crash out but im bored
balmy condor
am i the only one who updates my macro everytime i get a new on use with the nam...
Yes that’s fucking insane
haughty lantern
anyway this is the comment i was looking for
i wanted to ask if yall know a low...
HI I CAN ACTUALLY HELP WITH THIA
this
nova shadow
okay one more generic question guys, when you start bursting like have everything dotted, you want to vanish for more dps but out of the vanish does it matter if you ambush again or just what you do ?
cerulean maple
am i the only one who updates my macro everytime i get a new on use with the nam...
ddjwkajkwd i was doing that in df s4 bc i didnt know you could just do /use 13
static glacier
so kingsbane is literally called a lethal poison, but it does not get duplicated...
hear me out
gritty laurel
the real way is to wire in both trinket slots to your macro and never look at it again
static glacier
what if deathmark duplicated dots like the new affliction tier does
normal kayak
Is everyone still using circlet? wowhead etc. says it's bis for all season, but im simming higher with 655 regular rings?
cerulean maple
okay its kind of a pointless crash out but im bored
ngl i thought it does
normal mist
the real way is to wire in both trinket slots to your macro and never look at it...
What if 2 on use?
Hehehe
gritty laurel
reevaluate your choices then
balmy condor
okay one more generic question guys, when you start bursting like have everythin...
The first gcd from vanish doesn’t matter
golden loom
I guess you dont apply kingsbane, rather you release it
haughty lantern
@cerulean maple if you are genuinely interested in trying outlaw, it’s going to require a bit of work unfortunately bc the 2 specs stats DO not mix
normal mist
reevaluate your choices then
What if there are no other choices
gritty laurel
then you just get rekt i guess
balmy condor
Is everyone still using circlet? wowhead etc. says it's bis for all season, but ...
Can happen if your signet is giving fucked stats
normal kayak
Can happen if your signet is giving fucked stats
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wnQxoMzzPpzZ4KZ9Fndn8z yeah i think it might be, got a warning on it
nova shadow
The first gcd from vanish doesn’t matter
what is gcd
normal mist
then you just get rekt i guess
normal kayak
what is gcd
global cooldown
normal mist
what is gcd
Global cooldown
fallow canopy
your circlet is with mariner instead of the good one, the name escapes me
nova shadow
Okay so if you have opened dotted just for offensive dot damage from vanish you do whatever is applicable
balmy condor
What in gods name is this
nova shadow
The question was if I ambush again or not but I think I got it thanks
gritty laurel
i believe that is scientifically known as "the reason a random 665 ring is simming better"
cerulean maple
<@150289566534729728> if you are genuinely interested in trying outlaw, it’s goi...
sadge :( i tried it in heroic reclears last season for a little bit and also while leveling a toon before and it was fun-ish, would love to have another spec to play occasionally when i get a bit bored of sin
balmy condor
i believe that is scientifically known as "the reason a random 665 ring is simmi...
True
royal lantern
<@150289566534729728> if you are genuinely interested in trying outlaw, it’s goi...
wdym
you gear for outlaw and chill with assa
balmy condor
Doctors hate him for this one weird trick to lose 40% of the value of an item
onyx linden
He's goin for healing parse 99
normal kayak
wrong gem xdd
nova shadow
One more question when you start bursting like you dot everything spatter on the main target , deathmark kb. Do you envenom once before deathmark and kb
normal kayak
why aint i got fatham on that
balmy condor
One more question when you start bursting like you dot everything spatter on the...
Yes
haughty lantern
@cerulean maple can I DM you? can yap more about it there
cerulean maple
One more question when you start bursting like you dot everything spatter on the...
yes but on lower keys or short fights i usually just shorten my opener a bit and rely on caustic for aoe
but atp just play bleed build ig
slow echo
Whispyr what's a pin, is that the thing boyscouts get when they're good bois
balmy condor
Yes precisely
sullen mural
Bleed build is fun in low keys
nova shadow
Yes
This makes sense I read it somewhere but never really understand why, even tho when I dont envenom once dps feels slightly off compared to the proper rotation bigger numbers
balmy condor
This makes sense I read it somewhere but never really understand why, even tho w...
Kingsbane stacks with poison applications
fallow canopy
This makes sense I read it somewhere but never really understand why, even tho w...
you get rolling with envenom buff up and kb gets big faster i assume
nova shadow
Thats great, do you guys use kb as a "mini-burst" between packs when its up and deathmark is down
cerulean maple
<@150289566534729728> can I DM you? can yap more about it there
ya! sur
balmy condor
It’s 1min and deathmark is 2min
sullen mural
I mean yeah
balmy condor
So you always fit a kingsbane
sullen mural
you arent holding kingsbane for a minute
balmy condor
You’d just lose casts otherwise
normal mist
No
nova shadow
Alright great thanks
indigo mulch
I try to slam kb as much as i can, i'm a bit more reserved when it comes to DM when you play in pugs cause you odn't really know how the tank pulls so its hard to plan your cds
royal lantern
I try to slam kb as much as i can, i'm a bit more reserved when it comes to DM w...
wdym, its easy in pugs
the tank pulls big when nobody has any cds
indigo mulch
Yeah but its also no point using it if the mob dies in 2 seconds. 😄
golden loom
Worst feeling in the world is thinking "I shouldve deathmarked"
cerulean maple
Bleed build is extremly fun in keys :C
how does the playstyle differ, i havent rly actually tried it
i assume you play p much the same but focus on reapplying bleeds and getting bick exegute w zoldycks?
nova shadow
on st build its always like deathmark > kingsbane > shiv > some fillers > 8 sec kb - shiv again > continue
you always spend the double shivs right
sullen mural
Nothing will really survive entirety of deathmark+kingsbane until like
atleast +12's
if even that
slow echo
Whispyr during legion when you went to the rogue order hall, did everyone stare at you when you walked in then after a brief pause chant...MVP MVP MVP
balmy condor
on st build its always like deathmark > kingsbane > shiv > some fillers > 8 sec ...
You shiv before the kingsbane not after
cerulean maple
Nothing will really survive entirety of deathmark+kingsbane until like
clearly yall aren't top dpsing your keys by a long shot bc even in 8s for me stuff easily survives a kb+dm burst window
smh smh
balmy condor
Whispyr during legion when you went to the rogue order hall, did everyone stare ...
No because I wasn’t whispyr in legion
cerulean maple
(i play with guildies and they dont deal damage)
cerulean maple
this season?? idek i havent done that many
nova shadow
653 ilvl
balmy condor
Yeah that’s reasonable
indigo mulch
Depends on the key though
lethal arrow
It's tyrannical week so things in 8s aren't living anyways
slow echo
Maybe like 3.5M at ~650ish in a +8 Floodgate, but I was BiS geared S1
indigo mulch
Like floodgate with a decent tank is like 3.5mil
nova shadow
did rookery like few hours ago was 2.4 on 8 with ++ time
runic inlet
The classic compare dps numbers with no context
golden loom
Priory/floodgate are probably the 2 with biggest overall?
nova shadow
but I felt something was off since envenom was top dps spell
sullen mural
clearly yall aren't top dpsing your keys by a long shot bc even in 8s for me stu...
Enhance + uhdk just bursts too much in my keys
indigo mulch
I think floodgate is the biggest overall key in my opinion atleast.
golden loom
Oh yeah cinderbrew also
cerulean maple
Enhance + uhdk just bursts too much in my keys
yeah ripge
nova shadow
I think floodgate is the biggest overall key in my opinion atleast.
floodgate cuz first boss is pumper teritory
sullen mural
I just play bleed build do more but still
indigo mulch
But we get massive damage even on bosses in there.
cerulean maple
I just play bleed build do more but still
ig i rly ahve to try it wtf
runic inlet
Only play sub in workshop & top
slow echo
Floodgate for that pacemaker baby
runic inlet
Rest of the keys I really enjoy sin in
indigo mulch
You just make sure you have a vanish ready for each add and your doing like 5~6mil on the first boss 😄
nova shadow
guys is mechano core > pacemaker
sullen mural
Simm it
static glacier
I think floodgate is the biggest overall key in my opinion atleast.
might be cinderbrew
balmy condor
Depends on the char
nova shadow
I believe mechano core with house of cards has the highest sim
nova shadow
but this gotta be fake the 1:30 trinket
coral ibex
why would it be fake
nova shadow
cuz its 1;30
coral ibex
so?
coral ibex
whats the significance
sullen mural
is so aids
slow echo
I thought the pacemaker was best with signet from M+ only loot, but after these trinket changes idk 😦
coral ibex
competitive with skardyn
coral ibex
wow that didnt take much convincing
neat flame
The classic compare dps numbers with no context
Comparing numbers in keys is a waste of time. Go to the target dummies and use your one macro a day to enhance your play and come back with the numbers while bumping that lit song
coral ibex
i didnt even show math
slow echo
Time to sim
sullen mural
I dont belive you show math
slow echo
On OSRS?
slow echo
Nisu
golden loom
im busy killing CERBERUS
can I pet that dawg
coral ibex
no i'm mad at her
she ranged me 11 times in a row just now
excuse me miss your most likely attack at range is MAGIC
please follow the script
slow echo
Feelycraft tells me it's going to be signet/HoC depending on what you can get your hands on with + Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet/Pacemaker/Eye Of Kezan
WHERES MY MYTHIC PACEMAKER
Oh yea it's in tomorrow's vault
sand sigil
ok quick question
say a pack is grouping but theres a prio mob but its not pulled for 7s until the pack is grouped so ur putting out pre dots
do u wanna slam an ambush early on a piss mob so the death mark is out on a piss mob and switch it later even at the cost of losing a 3x target garrote spread
or no
just spread bleeds and finally ambush when the guy is in
dapper cradle
i don't know the answer but it's nice to have you back james
thick juniper
Welcome back James
brittle shuttle
do u wanna slam an ambush early on a piss mob so the death mark is out on a piss...
ambush garrote rupture the shitty prio mob spread bleeds then crimpson tempest and its only 1 more deathstalker stack then u swap to prio target
barren meteor
i like assa in this season, but am so frustrating for single
i dunno how to fix that
ye u rgith
tame tangle
idk why ppl still pretend sin is easiest sub and outlaw much simpler imo have been for a while now
brittle shuttle
sin single target gotta be easiest in game, m+ a little ahrder
dapper cradle
there's some min maxxes in aoe that are tricky
tame tangle
we’re talking m+
dapper cradle
but it's very straightforward and your cd windows are super structured
tame tangle
please tell me what was just talked about above is simpler than outlaw ho or sub rn lol
dapper cradle
more improv as sub + outlaw
tame tangle
with a straight face
coral ibex
idk man assa with deathstalker is about 3 things
counting to 3, counting to 5, and counting to 7
3 stacks of mark, 5 cp, 5 ruptures, 7 cp
sudden brook
sin in raid is legit bm hunter
tame tangle
talking aoe
sudden brook
Sin in keys is legit plate spinning extrodinare
You have 25 plates to spin all at once
coral ibex
DIVINE STORM
DIVINE STORM
DIVINE STORM
DIVINE STORM
DIVINE STORM
DIVINE STORM
dapper cradle
spin this 
barren meteor
newj u miss something
coral ibex
DIVINE STORM
barren meteor
ye
coral ibex
spice spire
DIVINE STORM
Wake of ashes
brittle shuttle
to maximize its difficult, u get 90% of the dmg if u just garrote rupture 1 target, tempest, then start eviscerating spatter target
spice spire
brittle shuttle
pretty easy
coral ibex
Wake of ashes
wtf did you just say to me
static glacier
wtf did you just say to me
Hammer of light
coral ibex
Hammer of light
i'll have you know i graduated top of my class in the navy seals
spice spire
Hammer of light
A third button has hit the Ret Paladin
thorn fjord
Damn I haven’t seen guy in sin channel in so long lol
real pike
i'll have you know i graduated top of my class in the navy seals
listen here
thorn fjord
What is happening
charred wraith
guy came to see 7 mil overall
static glacier
A third button has hit the Ret Paladin
wrong, its same button as wake of ashes
xd
thorn fjord
spice spire
Damn
dapper cradle
<:HmmNote:842411229128687677>
do you pronounce your name the same way "gazlowe" is pronounced
real pike
Vanish back as a defensive CD is huge
thorn fjord
do you pronounce your name the same way "gazlowe" is pronounced
Die-slow
dapper cradle
double vanish recommended in keys now
coral ibex
hasn't double vanish been the key recommendation for months
like since the subterfuge change
thorn fjord
hasn't double vanish been the key recommendation for months
Since tww
coral ibex
Since tww
there was the time before the subt change where it was questionable
post subt change its 100% meta
especially with bleed build
digital spindle
is anybody running LE rogue WA + Whispyr's plater profile and getting large FPS drops on large pulls like meadery first pull? Trying to isolate my issues (not blaming either of these fwiw, but I know WA/Details/Plater can be prettty process heavy)
coral ibex
i mean there's probably like 40 nameplates on the screen there
gonna be tough regardless
thorn fjord
I use LEs class aura and it doesn’t use too much resources iirc
spice spire
Yeah plater is kind of heavy
soft shale
yea i always cba making assa ones and the LE ones are very good
spice spire
Meadery is a rough one for sure
coral ibex
i just accept the 25 fps in a big pull
digital spindle
yep I've gonet through the vid and utilize all his recommendations
coral ibex
nothing in that video was different from his s1 video tho
all my settings are exactly the same
manic quartz
wow and low resource doesnt belong in the same sentence
unreal tide
wow is a CPU monster
thorn fjord
I’m Chillen I get 160-300 with everything on max depending on what’s going on.
manic quartz
"get decent cpu and youre gucci" "wow is low resource game" what?
thorn fjord
And I haven’t deleted any weak auras since the start of DF
lethal arrow
7800x3d will solve your problems
unreal tide
i get 15-30 if I'm standing alone in a mono-colored room. but if it works it works
coral ibex
haha i love getting bad fps because i dare to have a cpu from 3 years ago
red schooner
I got a 5700x3d as an upgrade, it handles WoW well
digital spindle
7800x3d will solve your problems
Is that on AMD5 socket too
manic quartz
nobody buys pc just for one game tho
lethal arrow
Yeah
red schooner
Sadly all the x3ds are am5
5700/5800x3ds
lethal arrow
I think
digital spindle
I have a Ryzen 9 5900x so would need a new mobo also
coral ibex
wait
red schooner
I'm on am4 with a 5700, I couldn't be bothered doing a motherboard swap out.
lethal arrow
Yeah i swapped form a 5600x
red schooner
*5700x3d
lethal arrow
Was worth it
strange python
5700/5800x3d guys do I just upgrade to that or do I upgrade to am 5
thorn fjord
137500k with a 5070ti over here
lethal arrow
7800x3d solved my problems with p much every game
thorn fjord
Both overclocked
strange python
What’s your fps in raid
thorn fjord
The cpu is overclocked to oblivion
coral ibex
same here dies
lethal arrow
What’s your fps in raid
Depends on boss
strange python
Regular 5700 is getting rocked so I need to upgrade
digital spindle
What is your FPS first pull in Meadery
red schooner
5700/5800x3d guys do I just upgrade to that or do I upgrade to am 5
game runs fine with the 5700x3d for me in raid, not been logging FPS though, it feels smooth though
lethal arrow
Still drops on bandit since it's bandit
coral ibex
running a vbios swap on my 4080
lethal arrow
Otherwise like 90-100
strange python
What is your FPS first pull in Meadery
I swear that shit does nothing to my cpu
manic quartz
who even buys intel?
red schooner
Still drops on bandit since it's bandit
yeah early bandit slows a bit but compared to the old cpu where i went powerpoint mode, yeah, much better
thorn fjord
who even buys intel?
<— this guy
thorn fjord
Who even likes soccer
coral ibex
me 
thorn fjord
lethal arrow
x3d is simply too good
strange python
It’s different
thorn fjord
I sim race a lot now
lethal arrow
if u have the money, might as well future proof ur pc a bit
digital spindle
what's the go to mobo with am5
thorn fjord
Else I wouldn’t have upgraded
digital spindle
i like MSI
manic quartz
idk i got r7 5800x 3080ti and still ddr4, wow works just fine for me atleast 🤷♀️
lethal arrow
seems like it does its job
digital spindle
idk i got r7 5800x 3080ti and still ddr4, wow works just fine for me atleast 🤷...
what WA and plater profile you running?
manic quartz
Devlins class WA, raid WA's and whispyrs plater
thorn fjord
Devlins class WA, raid WA's and whispyrs plater
Should check out LEs class aura
Similar to devs but I think it’s a bit better
Prettier too
manic quartz
i used LE's last season and DF
thorn fjord
Ah
manic quartz
changed to devlins for a change
digital spindle
i tried running without plater last night, was basically unplayable in M+ for tracking and stuff, but noticeable FPS gains
manic quartz
huge fan of devlins work
sand sigil
ok and ct on st or no
and how many targets fan of knives normal generator not the proc buff
coral ibex
yes with bleed build no with hybrid
digital spindle
2733
coral ibex
fok on 2/3 (i fok on 3 bc hitting fok 4 times for 7cp on 2 targets makes me wanna kms)
strange python
You just spread your plagues and press army of dead james, dont ever press CT
They don’t play army in keys
digital spindle
I'll be the first to admit I'm dogshit so feel free to pile on and tell me how bad I am
sonic schooner
They don’t play army in keys <:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
yea i know but i know so little shit about uhdk i said the least i knew 
strange python
In fact they don’t play army at all if you wanna be 100% correct
Did this guy just „what’s your io“ him
Damn
digital spindle
there was a noticeable drop in my damage, so I guess they help me somewhat 🤷♂️
digital spindle
i'm okay with being average/below average
manic quartz
😄
sonic schooner
platers indeed crunch fps, but if you go from smooth to unplayable, i would assume you have wrong settings in platers / other stuff
probably tracking to much stuff / too much scripts or idk
sand sigil
ok also is it ok to finish on 5 or is it only a 6/7 angle
sonic schooner
only force for deez nuts
manic quartz
youll never catch me not taking ironwire, fucking love that shit
sand sigil
and also suppose target dies, ur max cps, u need put up another spatter. do u env and then mut or do u just overcap
coral ibex
hmmm
i think i usually send the 7cp env to get mark rolling
not sure if thats optimal
someone smarter than me will correct me
digital spindle
the difference is probably so negligible
gray horizon
137500k with a 5070ti over here
You are so incredibly bottlenecked by that CPU
jk misread that
thought you meant an i3-7th gen lol
manic quartz
well i only play up to 14 so idk whats considered high, i guess it depends of the player. i would take ironwire even in if there i no casters in the whole instance just to show im the top of the foodchain in the dungeon and they are locked there with me no the otherway around
manic quartz
ironwire applies damage reduction even if mobs dont cast
yy
coral ibex
dropping your best utility for 5% overall is a choice
sand sigil
is hybrid build with kingsbane? or what is defined as bleed build? rn i just copied casuals talents
raw gull
dropping your best utility for 5% overall is a choice
Best utility is party cc and interrupt management, dropping your damaga to cover your mates not I interrupting or CCing is not the best solution either
sand sigil
i assume like aoe shiv full pad is bleed build
coral ibex
buddy you're pressing garrote anyway
packs will die and have like 85% iron wire coverage
digital spindle
!plater
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
raw dock
Hey guys, in Mythic + scenario, do we lost dps changing 2pc+2pc (s1 and s2) to the new 4pc?
sonic schooner
skipping dtb / kb for more bleeds stuff and all
coral ibex
the choice is iron wire or sbs
sonic schooner
this build looks like 0 damage on bosses tho
i bet that would be like 1.2m ST on sims
dapper cradle
is hybrid build with kingsbane? or what is defined as bleed build? rn i just cop...
yeah hybrid takes KB in keys
the bleed build drops it, so the ST is giga poopoo
dapper cradle
not that hybrid ST is that much better anyways
dapper cradle
<@533772072845836302> you re giga poopoo but it s fine, we still like you
bro you're so fucking toxic it's crazy
sonic schooner
assa life, once you wanna take some aoe talent you lose everything in ST
sonic schooner
bro you're so fucking toxic it's crazy
french + outlaw lover combo, with 12 years of league in the blood, i guess i am you re right 😔
dapper cradle
french + outlaw lover combo, with 12 years of league in the blood, i guess i am ...
you're french????
sorry for your loss king
dusky minnow
Hello all. Question pls. How far away can a mob be to not get splashed by caustic spatter?