assassination

[balmy condor]

We are so back

[nova aspen]

🪱

[thorn thorn]

Worming about

[golden loom]

Bring back pre-patch dooming

[balmy condor]

People who play competitively love to think that their game is competitive when most of gaming isn’t competitive

[thorn thorn]

I liked this chat more when it was just doomage

[fallow canopy]

I liked it more when it was just goon bait and brainrot

[obtuse socket]

We need 11.1.5 or 11.1.7 for more dooming of they ignoring us again

[balmy condor]

I think like one of the only areas of gaming that’s actually pretty die hard is like fighting game stuff

[golden loom]

It does help when talking to people who never play the ranked modes though cause you sound extra cool 😎

[balmy condor]

Like street fighter and shit

Those guys are raw

And there’s not a lot of like

Casual street fighter players

[midnight arrow]

wait we have goon bait in here?

[strange sleet]

SHOOTERS TOO TBH

caps

[balmy condor]

Yeah shooters can be

Depends on the shooter though

[haughty flicker]

shooters are weird

[balmy condor]

Overwatch marvel rivals? Hell no

[haughty flicker]

because its either giga casual or insanely hardcore

[golden loom]

Shooters are either the most casual or comp game

[balmy condor]

Csgo? Yeah okay

[vestal wren]

speedrunning

[golden loom]

cod vs cs

[obtuse socket]

Rainbow Six

<.<

[grave trail]

Saying retail wow is casual is crazy lol reason is easy for us it's cause we played it for thousands of hours, try introducing retail to a new player

[severe sparrow]

not that it matters really cuz we're about to get updated sims for updated tuning, but did the trinket changes make it that much easier to hit the point where we break 2/2 for 4? it's suddenly simming about the same either way for me at a way lower overall ilvl

[balmy condor]

I guess if you include that yeah, I was more thinking of game genres and less the subcommunities but that’s a good point

[golden loom]

I started wow in january 2024 and retail in season 1 tww, game is not hard if you play games

[balmy condor]

I mean it is still inherently casual, and also a beast of a game to get into

[haughty flicker]

i think retail wow is not as overwhelming to get into as it was in the past too

[balmy condor]

But it’s the same with like ffxiv

[vestal wren]

tho it depends.
Super mario 64 speedrunning is insane (or i guess trackmania as i remember you playing that)
Minecraft speedruns is like playing casino, so its not very competitive.

[grave trail]

I tried introducing retail to 4 of my friends and they couldn't get into it cause it was too complicated they mainly play shooters tho

[strange sleet]

But speedrunning is a competition itself

no?

[balmy condor]

Trackmania has a very small playerbase all things considered but the majority is still casual there as well honestly

[grave trail]

What is ur background though have you played other mmo?

[indigo mulch]

I love watching players who are good playing trackmania

its insane how good they are

[grave trail]

I think the game is superhard for the average gamer

[balmy condor]

Yeah that can happen to non mmo people

[coral ibex]

first cinderbrew of the season

[golden loom]

A bunch of league and runescape, and yeah I am a bit of a degen so I am not the average player probably

[balmy condor]

Do not watch me

[coral ibex]

total level?

[balmy condor]

@final star Is pretty good though

[fallow canopy]

built different

[golden loom]

maxed ironman since 2019 😎

[coral ibex]

i'm so sorry

[indigo mulch]

I watch that norwegian guy quite a lot.. I can't remember his name now but he always pops up on my youtube feed. You should watch when they climb the tower every year, thats absolutly insanity.

[haughty flicker]

ok yeah you dont get to have an opinion

[coral ibex]

you have my sympathy

[haughty flicker]

on how hard it is to get into an mmo

[balmy condor]

Wirtual

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[indigo mulch]

yeah! thats his name Ty.

[vestal wren]

i wanted to do sm64 speedrunning

[simple violet]

lol... this is literally the rotation

[haughty flicker]

maxed ironman players are wild

[balmy condor]

He just released a part 2 on the biggest cheater in tm history

[red schooner]

yeah deep dip is mental

[balmy condor]

It’s a banger watch

[red schooner]

RIOLU IS BACK

[indigo mulch]

Yeah, deep dip, MAN thats so cool to watch.

[red schooner]

i was sat there like, 'nah, it can't be riolu'

and its just, god damn

[golden loom]

A game that should be super casual but also has a bunch of fucking degens is Fifa

like the amount of money and anger my friends spend on that game

[coral ibex]

thats because fifa put magic the gathering into their game

its fucked

they ruined my favorite sports game

[vestal wren]

then i spend 4 hours learning the 2 meters from the start to the door of the castle, and i wasn't even doing it perfect after that. So i realized just how much time you need to be good at this game....

[coral ibex]

career mode been dead for 10 years

everything is ultimate team related

[balmy condor]

I mean to be fair this can be condensed to like 5 steps but with how the timeline tool works I have to list out every gcd and can’t account for crit rng so I have to extend the whole thing and it’s very ass

[golden loom]

yeah the last fifa I personally owned was fifa 09

[balmy condor]

But that’s not really cause the opener is complicated

[fallow canopy]

pun intended?

[balmy condor]

It’s cause the fucking tool sucks

[indigo mulch]

@balmy condor I'd like you to play deep dip next time on your stream!

I believe!

[balmy condor]

Oof

I tried deep dip at one point got to like floor 3 and then rage quit

Not for me

[indigo mulch]

LOL

Yeah its a bit rough.

[balmy condor]

Trackmania is also like my 7th game

[simple violet]

Would be awesome if you could just add a rotation for grandma to understand

[final star]

What did I do

[balmy condor]

So I just don’t play it enough to be good

[grave trail]

Well both runescape and league specially league if ur good at league u can easily pick up other games like wow that's why u got it fast but try it on a shooter gamer lol

[final star]

Oh trackmania

I can get by

[coral ibex]

if you play runescape shooters will be easy

runescape requires click accuracy more than anything

[final star]

But I'm nothing crazy at trackmania

I can easily get gold and close to AT medals

But past that I'm bad

[indigo mulch]

I mean other than wow i just play FPS games 😒 I prob have 3000~ hours in overwatch across my accounts, maybe 1k in valo and 3kish in cs. 😒

[balmy condor]

I do actually, as does every guide right at the top of the rotation page

[final star]

But i haven't tried to get better

[golden loom]

league and wow do feel like they overlap decently well

[fallow canopy]

very similar, but my times in valo and cs are prob switched

[grave trail]

When i try introducing wow to my friends the addon management was too overwhelming already imagine trying to learn a spec to perfection or mythic raid

[indigo mulch]

Oh

and poe

but only like 2k hours in poe

no 1.5k

[vestal wren]

crazy

[indigo mulch]

Not at all.

Most fans have upwards to like 5k by now. Its a very old game.

[balmy condor]

not a fan

[fallow canopy]

people that play poe basically live breathe and shit poe

[haughty flicker]

lmao not even a fan

[indigo mulch]

RIP

Not even 5k hours

tsk tsk

Wait arent they releasing some new shit for poe2 soon?

[balmy condor]

I did leave a maplestory review on steam though

[indigo mulch]

what hte actual fuck.

[strange sleet]

10'4k hours?

[balmy condor]

(the vast majority of that is just the game idling in the background cause there's no auto-logout and I'm way too ADHD to log out myself)

(but don't tell people that, it's funnier if they don't know)

[indigo mulch]

I've NEVER played maplestory.

[balmy condor]

it's fine I guess

[indigo mulch]

I mean i'm an MMO fan and i like trying new things but like.. maplestory was never my thing

[balmy condor]

it is a bit of a strange one

[indigo mulch]

It came out around the time ragnarok online came out i think. And Ragnarok was just way more fun in my opinion.

[balmy condor]

game is VERY different from back then

[strange sleet]

wow is BY FAR my most played game. Lot's of afk/walking around, but still.

[balmy condor]

like wow from vanilla and wow now is still recognizable

maplestory is not

[indigo mulch]

Fair.

I don't mind those 2d side scrollers though it can be fun as long as it has some depth to it.

[vestal wren]

only 14h, still a noob

[balmy condor]

my favorite thing to do when people are like it's just a 2d weeb game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79S7CmM1oFs

is show them this

and their brain explodes

you know it's gonna be banger

[indigo mulch]

lol wtf

[indigo mulch]

I mean, like i said. As long as there is depth i don't really care if the graphics are 2d and anime as fuck. Gameplay is whats important. Atleast for me.

[strange sleet]

only 1 char?

[balmy condor]

I tried to learn cadena while leveling it

[grizzled mist]

has the assassination bis trinkets list on wowhead been updated with the new trinket changes yet?

[balmy condor]

and that shit broke my hands

[hexed frost]

This week's affix was specifically designed by someone who absolutely hates feral and assa

Absolutely tilted

[balmy condor]

it didn't really change much so yeah good enough idk

I'm probably shuffling a couple trinkets around

but it's still generally accurate

[golden loom]

6 days on a warrior, and like 2 days each on 2 other rogues and dh/mage

[indigo mulch]

While its annoying to stay in combat.. we do have 2 vanishes 😒 I don't feel like its a massive issue tbh ;s

The ST on the guy is kind of.. well yeah.

[grizzled mist]

awesome, ty

[simple violet]

just as far as class improvement.. instead of giving us X percent more dmg for mut and ambush they gave us improved energy generation that would equal the same X percent in damage? We'd be doing the same damage, but the class would feel more fluid with less standing around auto attacking

[hexed frost]

Those affixed are for keeping up master assassin on some fights not for wasting on a neurodivergent affix

[vestal wren]

think more energy would just needlessly make action economy worse

[balmy condor]

he's back and he still doesn't get it

[golden loom]

you know what I want for sin?

the feeling that pressing shadowstrike gives

[vestal wren]

cat ears?

[golden loom]

that ability feels good to press

[hexed frost]

Play blindside?

[grizzled mist]

a lust or brez?

[thorn thorn]

I want to go back to pre-caustic spatter Era

[golden loom]

yeah thats my favorite talent for a reason

[indigo mulch]

How is this man still making this kind of content? 😒

[fallow canopy]

[golden loom]

close second

[indigo mulch]

like 99% of what he says is just not true lol

[balmy condor]

careful, we're currently fighting to keep energy as a resource

[balmy condor]

yeah but he's confidently wrong

and that's good enough

also he has a spreadsheet

and spreadsheets could not be wrong

they're data!

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-forget-it-no-gif-20897153

[indigo mulch]

LOL

[balmy condor]

turns out there are many people on the internet that don't care to think about if a content creator is a dumbfuck spouting nonsense

and will just nod along if it's said with enough confidence and fake data garble

[grizzled mist]

uh oh. class wide rework in 12.0? im scared

[hexed frost]

I want for assa to feel like the pre-caustic era.

Multi dotting with garrote, keeping scent up, and maybe increase the aoe of poison Bomb to death and decay size.

[balmy condor]

no, just making fun of the guy earlier that refused to accept that assa is a slow spec

[indigo mulch]

Honestly, the way assassination plays right now. I don't think its all that bad. I wouldn't want them to rework us.

[balmy condor]

you think you want that aoe buff but you really don't

[vestal wren]

wait till you learn about tiktok

[grizzled mist]

ohhh lol. i could go get a glass of water in between CDs Sin is so slow

[balmy condor]

you'd pull all sorts of extra mobs with that

cause you can't place it down

[indigo mulch]

I banned tiktok on my daughters phone.

She aint going near that shit.

She will, but atleast i tried.

[balmy condor]

yeah and it's fucking great

[grizzled mist]

agreed lol its my favorite rogue spec

[golden loom]

Better ban that demon app instagram reels

[vestal wren]

tiktok has a massive problem of missinformation, the video length does not allow for anything to be explained so people take everything as fact

[hexed frost]

Poison Bomb can be both AoE and ST depending on target count.

No more spatter cringe

[thorn thorn]

If they actually listen then they deserve it tbh

[indigo mulch]

I mean that's not even half of it. Tiktok and youtube shorts just trains your brain to have no attention span. I really think its bad for young kids.

[thorn thorn]

If you get info from anyone you should always check sources and the info you are getting to see if they are credible

[golden loom]

I mean I am 26 and after watching ig reels for the past year I feel like atleast 30% of my brainpower has been drained

[balmy condor]

the best idea generally was to turn poison bomb into a charge-system short cd like shiv or something

[golden loom]

I cant stop though

[thorn thorn]

Im sorry to say its closer to 40%

[balmy condor]

but then assa got wrapped up in the whole dragonflight/shadowlands button bloat rampage

[hexed frost]

Maybe.

Whatever gets rid of spatter

[balmy condor]

and they ripped out like half the shit

so now we got this

[hexed frost]

Remember when exsanguate and IC were active abilities

[balmy condor]

blizzards been on a warpath to remove complexity and buttons for the last 2-3 years

so poison bomb rework probably very low on the totem pole

in terms of priority

[indigo mulch]

Would be cool to have like shiv give you 3 procs on poison bomb or something. So every 3 finisher you do, you get a poison bomb proc.

[vestal wren]

possible, social media can have all sort of bad side effects.
I just remembered some educational youtube creators mention their short content not giving them enough room to allow people to critical think about a topic.

[balmy condor]

yeh idk, in my perfect world I'd want variance removed, less procs and rng and more just 2-ish% optimizations by playing correctly. Pooling energy before a kingsbane (if it actually mattered) or like sequencing a shadow dance properly for danse macabre was always cool to me

like those sorts of mastery over your spec

but that's very much not the game wow is

[coral ibex]

that kind of design makes bad players look even worse

[indigo mulch]

Yeah I'm sure that's the case, but i've seen so many studies that shows that if you keep scrolling for that "instant gratification" you'll train your brain to just swipe and not actually take in the information that's being said. You watch 5s then you swipe, watch 5s swipe again. If i can i'll try to limit that as much as i can on my young daughters mind. She will go there its just a matter of time but hopefully she'll grow as much as she can before that happens.

[coral ibex]

tough sell

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's kinda the issue

[vestal wren]

I like complexity where it makes sense.
Wow often has it in areas it does not make sense

[coral ibex]

they worry so much about the skill floor

[balmy condor]

I personally love learning and evolving and improving as I play the character

[coral ibex]

but casuals pay the bills

[harsh harbor]

DS telling me to ditch the signet

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1xvqBp7iFvFAxfEQgquNyh

[balmy condor]

like for me the best type of class would be one where I just have no fucking clue what I'm doing and then slowly put the pieces together and get better and better and improve and the little optimizations

that's part of the mmo journey for me

but wow is very much a "if you can log in, you should be able to play it"

and that's fine

[coral ibex]

yea, i felt that way about black mage in ff14 for a while but its been similarly neutered in recent patches

[balmy condor]

just disappointing for me personally

[golden loom]

why do you have undersea overseers citrine in your ring

[coral ibex]

hard to find nice crunchy class complexity in an mmo these days

[indigo mulch]

Everyhing in FF is extremly scripted though. Its completly different from wow.

[balmy condor]

maplestory scratches that itch for me unironically

[harsh harbor]

thats precisely why i linked it, thanks for noticing it.

couldnt figure it out

[coral ibex]

yea osrs is similar for me

[golden loom]

np chief

osrs is a beautiful game, I just played too much so I am too burned out atm

[royal lantern]

just walked around in the town and saw a boomkin, day ruined

[golden loom]

even though a lot of cool new stuff is out

[vestal wren]

i think there is a spec like that

[balmy condor]

I log into my shadower in maplestory and the main combo on that class is a standard A-A-B, but B is off gcd so you have to weave it correctly after A2, and if you time it properly you animation cancel A2 and get back to A1 faster

[warm bane]

QQ: in a big pull do you just apply 5 ruptures and go to FoN and Env or do you usually spread more Ruptures

[balmy condor]

and every fucking time I log in

it reminds me how shit I am at the game

and I love it

[balmy condor]

5 ruptures yeah

[thorn thorn]

Which one

[balmy condor]

no

[indigo mulch]

Should i craft neck next or should i craft bracers? I feel like i can farm bracers easier than i can farm neck

[balmy condor]

dm me and you'll have neck in no time bucko

[golden loom]

Honestly wish I could enjoy league as much as I did before but its less enjoyable when employed

[vestal wren]

its the one with the stealth icon as their identity

[royal lantern]

ngl

everytime animation cancles become a part to "properly" play something, i personaly think its really stupid again

[golden loom]

I was a riven one trick so I love animation cancels

[balmy condor]

I think it depends on how its added

like animation cancel just to animation cancel is dumb

[grizzled mist]

is there link to the bleed build for Tuesdays changes?

[red schooner]

i'm looking forward to me hitting vanish by muscle memory for a good few weeks after the tuning.

gonna take some effort to drill that out of me

[balmy condor]

but like in this case, it's basically a 2 button class and the animation cancel is the whole shtick

so it's fine

[golden loom]

like the difference between a good riven player and a bad one used to be like 40% damage difference and fluidity

[royal lantern]

worst case was ESO tbh

like, literally EVERYTHING was just chain animation cancleing nonstop

[coral ibex]

yea

if you couldnt cancel within 0.2s of your animation

you sucked

[royal lantern]

use a ability->instantly weapon swap to cancle it and use another ability

and that the entire time

[warm bane]

okay ty 🙂 I am usally sub but I need to play Assa in Cinder/Priory

[royal lantern]

no matter what you played

[balmy condor]

yeah that's stupid I agree

[royal lantern]

and it starts to just look really stupid when your character is just constantly starting a animation and goes into the next one lol

[balmy condor]

well in maplestory the actual animation goes faster

so you see it visually when you're doing it correctly

but yeah

[coral ibex]

i quit eso when you had to learn med attack weaving

which involved holding m1 for a short duration

and doing the same canceling

[golden loom]

idk I just love any animation canceling / schmoovment thing

[coral ibex]

eso did not feel good with the ani canceling

[hexed frost]

Eso has literally the most garbage tier combat system lmfao

The Dev's couldn't fix the animation cancelling bug before the IC expansion

So they made it a feature

[coral ibex]

the veteran trial fights were interesting when i was playing but it was just not fun overall to play

[royal lantern]

when 90% of your combat animations are "hands to the back and grab for the other weapon"

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK6Q6hak1lA

[coral ibex]

i did think the action bar swapping was interesting

[balmy condor]

another thief class I can't play

IM WASHED

[royal lantern]

no you dont, i can smell you over here

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sniff-cat-cat-kiss-gif-26410942

[earnest flume]

sorry if i cant find this, but are sims updated with new stuff. the banner says march 11th hotfixs but wanted to double check

[golden loom]

that fella is for sure moving

[earnest flume]

sorry plz dont yell at me

[balmy condor]

Trinket changes -> in game -> in sims

[royal lantern]

trinkets yes, % buffs no

[balmy condor]

Class changes -> not in game -> not in sims

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gritito-gif-17274376822241272426

[earnest flume]

thank you

[hollow talon]

i am free from cinderbrew jail

got my neck first run today

[coral ibex]

nice

[balmy condor]

Which neck drops from cinderbrew

[coral ibex]

i got my neck first run today too

haste mastery

[hollow talon]

haste/mastery neck

didnt get any neck from raid so it was the best option

[balmy condor]

People are farming for that?

Isn’t there a crit mast neck

[royal lantern]

alchemical chaos can be cringe, ngl

if it increases crit and reduces mastery, priory trinket gives crit again

[coral ibex]

no i had to run my first cinderbrew for the season

[hollow talon]

i think thats from raid

[coral ibex]

and i got it

replaced my 636 crafted

kek

[balmy condor]

I see

[hollow talon]

therse a BOE thats good but its like 2mil

[coral ibex]

i just did it for io so i can farm flood easier

[royal lantern]

there are only 2 dungeon necks rn, the haste/mastery from meadery and crit/vers from darkflame

[coral ibex]

i literally didnt have a completion yet

[royal lantern]

so not really much choice tbh

[hearty seal]

I unironically would like DF IC back as a button ngl

[balmy condor]

That’s crazy

[coral ibex]

also

[hearty seal]

but real

[coral ibex]

ARENT STATS FAKE

HMMMM

WHY DOES IT MATTER

[balmy condor]

I mean I think me not knowing any of the drops from any dungeon

[royal lantern]

if you are stacked with crit and have priory, you kinda need more mastery

[balmy condor]

Should be proof I don’t care

Lmao

[golden loom]

ilvl matters to get invited into PTR EXPERIENCE REQUIRED +7 (IN TIME OR TO COMPLETION)

[coral ibex]

the robot just told me to re-gem with vers gems

xd

[royal lantern]

i only knew that cus neck was my last slot missing and i had to check which dungeons drop them

[balmy condor]

Based

[meager steppe]

Hello guys howdy i have a question ... My stats are CRIT 29 / Haste 15/ mastery 56/ vers 2 what am I doing wrong

[hollow talon]

ya that was my final m+ piece i needed now i can go back to not doing m+

[fallow canopy]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[golden loom]

with the timing this sounds like a troll question

[lethal arrow]

Probably nothing, as long as ur mastery is the highest stat for like signet

[meager steppe]

Ye

HAHAHAHA

[lethal arrow]

Otherwise stats don't matter

[meager steppe]

I feel like I'm not doing good damage on single

Frustrated

[golden loom]

got a log?

watching the onlyfangs raid atm so might aswell look at a log also

[meager steppe]

What's that cuteg

🥺

[hollow talon]

my ass damage is good in raid but my parses are never great on sub

my peanut brain cannot handle sub

[meager steppe]

Is there Some Rogue Wanna come to dornogal?

[golden loom]

if you for example have done some raid fights you can "log" that and it uploads everything to the site warcraftlogs where you can see like a timeline of all your casts / gear / etc

[viral stump]

Why does my Sin Rogue sim WAY WORSE with Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension with Writhing Armor Banding Writhing Armor Banding? I thought those were the new embellishments to have?

[meager steppe]

ohhhh

[golden loom]

also doesnt have to be you that logs it, can be someone else in your runs that have logged it

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[golden loom]

okay that wasnt what I was searching for

[viral stump]

Why does my Sin Rogue sim WAY WORSE with Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension with Writhing Armor Banding? I thought those were the new embellishments to have?

[hollow talon]

compared to what other embellishes?

[meager steppe]

Where I can log

?

Haha

Wow analyzer

?

[loud light]

if your question is "why does my sim do this" then always link your sim

[viral stump]

Dawn thread lining

[golden loom]

sorry that one was a bit misleading maybe, you gotta download the client from warcraftlogs, this will then log every encounter you do and theres a option there to then upload the logs

I think theres a command with better instructions but I dont know it

!wcl

[prisma monolith]

Getting Started with Warcraftlogs https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341
Logging your combat is a very powerful tool, and the main way of finding mistakes and improving yourself. Logging your raid, mythic+, or even just when you hit a dummy can be great way to learn!
Here's some common things to look at for rogues:

Checking your resources/overcap: Table -> Resources -> Energy/Combo Points from the dropdown
Buff Uptime and trigger amount such as adr/envenom/symbols: Table -> Buffs
Checking casts: Timeline -> Casts (shows sequencing) or Table -> Casts (for cast overview)

[golden loom]

ah there it is

[meager steppe]

Cool!

Thanks

My damage Is 1.55m aprox

Kinda los

[golden loom]

on which fight?

[meager steppe]

657

On Rob on

Mugzer

Mugzee

Then I see rogues doing 2 2/23

[royal lantern]

brother, i cant even tell you my dmg numbers on each boss

why should i look at those lol

[golden loom]

Tryan you need to lock in!!

more details checking

less mechanics

[royal lantern]

is such a weird thing

like

dmg numbers

ok, you killed the boss during cds? higher

you got mechanics multiple times? lower

it tells you not much really lol

check logs, thats it

[balmy condor]

can you link the sim

[coral ibex]

wow servers are cooked

[balmy condor]

call me wow servers

[golden loom]

they ruined my content for the rest of the night

[slate crown]

whispyr why did you crash th servers?

[golden loom]

what am I supposed to watch now

[slate crown]

you inted this key

[haughty flicker]

whispyr inted my key too

wtf

[coral ibex]

well i can just go back to slayer

tormented demon time

[golden flax]

I am sure I am stuff wrong as I am new to sin but does our ST in M+ just suck?

[marble hemlock]

it does

[golden loom]

"you are assigned to kill araxytes, only 210 more to go"

[coral ibex]

they give you skips for a reason!

[eager condor]

Thanks for the vid Whispyr

[viral apex]

whats the better embellishment on weapon? accendence or blessed weapon?

im seeing top rogues doing both lol

[viral apex]

thanks

[grave osprey]

whats the fastest way to gear a fresh 80? delves?

[warm vortex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/233915164871622657/1353121790892834867/image.png?ex=67e0805e&is=67df2ede&hm=6602ce5e88b195c946f03c304584d45625a38f90325df84a2f9bc3d745e0008a&

Managed to turn a weekly 10 to help guldies into a time

Barely

(Ik this isn’t the stats for the run but the close call is there whatever

[lethal arrow]

Delves and m0/heroic

And your weeklies

[fleet pagoda]

make sure you collect the coffer keys from all the tww reps on that character too, more delve champion gear at least

[warm vortex]

Hi wow severs

[red schooner]

If you have 30 weathered crests you can get 629 items crafted

[grave osprey]

sickk thx bois

[warm vortex]

Don’t you also get one for gally kill

[red schooner]

When I levelled an alt I got upto 625 ilvl in a few hours by undermine campaign, upgrading using crests and crafting

[warm vortex]

Even if it’s in story mode

[red schooner]

gally one is higher I think

[warm vortex]

Ah fair

Anyone else on a farming streak atm

17 runs of top and no ring I want

In fact I’ve gotten every drop minus 2 of the rings, one of which I need

[blazing pumice]

the campaign one is runed

i used it to upgrade bracers last week, prob not worth now

[wise gull]

@balmy condor i’m hungover as fuck but i feel like i had to show you this interaction

[tired oyster]

Im 30+ runs into Flood 🥲👍

[cinder bone]

Anyone running

[coral ibex]

no im sitting

[warm vortex]

For the pacemaker?

[cinder bone]

Anyone running maghar orc in m+? How noticable is the racial vs not having it

[warm vortex]

I assume it’s good for Assa

[warm vortex]

Idk it seems nice for me
But like
Just racesim

[tired oyster]

Indeed

[cinder bone]

how do you racesim

[warm vortex]

And plus it probably feels nice on BM cause I don’t have any other cooldowns rn

[warm vortex]

Got it in my first try

But dw
As I got good luck, I have to balance it out with bad
Running top, 17 runs deep, Got every item from it minus 2. One of those 2 being what I need

Ik it’s not 30 but still

[warm vortex]

Hmmm
Tbh personally idk for assa

But ik that’s what’s you gotta do

If you care about racials tho, just go dwarf

[gritty laurel]

i read that as "how do you racism" and i was briefly very concerned for what would come next

[cinder bone]

lmao

[warm vortex]

I mean

I can say but I’d get banned

So I’ll avoid it

[severe meadow]

For now?

[warm vortex]

You saw nothing

Fuck me my brains on sleep mode

All this BM I stg

[burnt venture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

However he spells it indeed

Fuck that guy and his lack of spelling

Can’t he just be whisper like normal

[stiff geode]

anyone got the simc string for Cyrce's Circlet with the bis gems in it?
trying to change it without actually having em ❤️

[balmy condor]

Use top gear?

[stiff geode]

oh snap, the item search box?

yeah idk how to make that item on their site

[balmy condor]

No

The gem selection

Like where you select gems

Idk how to describe it

[stiff geode]

ohh that's where those pesky gems be 😄

[balmy condor]

It’s just a box with gems lmao

[stiff geode]

I gotcha

[balmy condor]

Yah

[stiff geode]

ty

[hallow glade]

changed to vv + ttb, and now i have trouble getting the shiv + dn inside of lingering darkness. haste 13% crit 23%, am i doing something wrong?

[runic hinge]

Well the buff isn’t until Tuesday so idk why you changed talents now

But also your stats don’t matter

[hallow glade]

because im hitting a target dummy

[runic hinge]

If you got 20% more haste it would be 2 apm.

But a third thing is you’re gonna usually have lust for your DM and that would keep you from running dry or whatever is keeping you from getting there

[static glacier]

are you always finishing on as few CPs as possible except for DN?

[hallow glade]

5+

[static glacier]

you taking into acount supercharger letting you finish on 2+?

and lingering being from the end of dm

not the start

[runic hinge]

I get 2 full DSM cycles during lingering so idk. I don’t think 10 energy on mut is the reason you’re not getting there

[static glacier]

so you have until your dm has 74s cd to fit it

aka 1:14

[hallow glade]

oh you finish at 2+ with supercharger? i never thought of that

[static glacier]

yep, makes you have more DN

you can also finish on 4+ with dn if you have supercharger

I personally like to finish at 6-7 for first dn of cds on pull for dopamine from amp + dn + cds

but its not a gain

I just like seeing big number

[hallow glade]

thanks for the help. big number more better

[patent elk]

When did this change come? Last season we still used same finisher rule everywhere

[static glacier]

the rule is still the same

you just never thought about what supercharger does

[safe rose]

If i may ask you guys, whats the damage you guys are doing single target in m+ to a boss for example?

like average dps?

[light rapids]

im noticing against bosses im running out of energy, and if they dont die fast i suffer but in packs im feasting

[safe rose]

my aoe damage is great but i struggle really bad in single target

[humble verge]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[light rapids]

im probably doing something wrong though

[safe rose]

my gs is 646 and my dps is 700k single target

and other rogues are much higher than me i dont know whats wrong

[patent elk]

Yes, but even though supercharger does that, point was to still only finish with 7 for dn

[static glacier]

Bro supercharger makes it so finishing on 4 = 7

Ergo you can finish on 4

[patent elk]

Yes, but if you finish on 7 you have 10

[static glacier]

@balmy condor I don't wanna be misinforming people, can you confirm / deny that it's legal to finish on 4 for dn and likely doesn't matter -with supercharger-

[patent elk]

But it might have been a +-0 dps thing doing it either way

[static glacier]

Im fairly sure it's +-0 to finish on 4 vs 7 with supercharger for dn

Im also quite sure finishing on 2 with supercharger for non dn is good

[balmy condor]

Little worse to finish on lower counts for supercharger but not worth talking about and definitely bad for dry shiv so it’s just a fucking headache for no impact

5 always, 7 for dn

Optimal and no brain

Everything else marginally worse or just worse

[static glacier]

finishing sub5 is bad outside of dn? smh

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[static glacier]

I guess with vv and mut buffs the value of energy efficiency is even higher

[red schooner]

Did a 10 rookery, I was highest single target on bosses. Pls, this is not where i'm meant to be

[runic hinge]

Were you with a ret and a moonkin?

[red schooner]

fire mage and spriest

[balmy condor]

Yeah so probably even worse then

[nova shadow]

🥳 personal best dps run

[red schooner]

So idk if they're in a similar position as sin and sacrifice ST heavily for AoE

[balmy condor]

Grats but Jesus that trinket

[red schooner]

I only know how rogue works, fuck knows what any of the other classes do

Its a mystery

[balmy condor]

I don’t call it ratshit poison for nothing

[nova shadow]

Its really hard farming the signet since I never get invites in 6-7 keys for priory idk people think I'm shit but 2.9 in priory 6 is pretty decent imo

[balmy condor]

Yeah it is

[nova shadow]

all good it will come

btw this trinket the green fang doesnt sim that bad

[balmy condor]

It just got giga buffed

And it still kinda blows

[winter abyss]

how big is the assa buffs for ST ? like will they become decent in ST for m+ build ?

[tawdry mica]

[light rapids]

fire mage has upper/mid ST and pretty solid AOE

[subtle kiln]

[light rapids]

idk about ret dont play it

[nova shadow]

well most of the bosses are not ST so its whatever

at least I dont find myself underperfoming ST in my keys

like ret palas fire mages boomies they seems to be shit on ST too

[light rapids]

firemage has to spec for ST usually or aoe

[tawdry mica]

Me neither, you compensate it after with the packs/multiple target bosses

[nova shadow]

guys in a st boss fight

when you run extremly low on energy what is the play

[light rapids]

accept fate

apparently

[red schooner]

i just keep hitting buttons but i am a simple man

[tawdry mica]

I tab out and read twitter

[nova shadow]

ye I do that but 😄 its so painful pressing a button per 2 seconds

[red schooner]

Yup but it be how it be

You either spam your button waiting for energy or you don't spam and only hit the button when you have energy

But at least the former i feel like i'm doing something

[nova shadow]

😂

[light rapids]

stafe really fast with Q and E so it looks like im rly active

[tawdry mica]

real

[red schooner]

nah strafe on a and d, ez life

[nova shadow]

it would be fun going triple ass on some dungeon and on the bosses after 40 secs of the encounter only swords will be heard

daggers*

[red schooner]

I'd still like there to be some proper benefit from pooling outside of the pool to 150 for kingsbane

[nova shadow]

is outlaw like the new meta right now

I see streamers running it

a lot more now

[light rapids]

outlaw has very fun animations and basically has 0 energy problems, and doesnt need stealth (i think) to fuck

and also its pretty good i guess

[nova shadow]

but is the dps even competitive compared to assa

They hardly do over 5m in pulls

[light rapids]

unsure. i have no idea which specs doing best in m+ rn

i asked in #wow-general but the answer . .. is unknown . .

[nova shadow]

I'm pretty sure it is assa

[light rapids]

i levelled to 80 on outlaw but as ive bene playing assa more i really like its flow

its my first dot class

[nova shadow]

I agree I leveled to 80 as assa and continue tried all 3 but assa is so much fun and baddass

idk why people saying its boring

like have they played unholy or frost mage or w/e

[red schooner]

i like dots on targets, so i like sin

[thorn thorn]

I play sin cuz Outlaw too hard for me and Sub is..... Sub

Sin goodge

[light rapids]

i dont think outlaws hard i think its annoying to track RTB buffs

[nova shadow]

I think theres some new ambush build that the rank 1 rogue plays

which doesnt track rtb

as an outlaw

[thorn thorn]

If I cant play it in raid while watching breaking bad then its too hard

[light rapids]

based

[hollow river]

You still track rolls because some rotational rules still change

But you reroll on CD basically other than 5 buffs

[light rapids]

outlaw is cool becuase grapple hook is the funnest mobility in the game

[nova shadow]

It also gives the old nostalgic combat rogue vibes from wotlk

where you can randomly 1shot someone with ks

[dense cove]

I ran a droptimizer earlier for assassination and based it on the same item level as my subtlety set of gear. I then simmed my subtlety set on single target and my ideal assassination set on single target. I took my assassination DPS and multiplied by 1.05 because I figure it is about a 5% increase next week. Sub is still simming better for me, but I’m a little surprised by that.

[runic hinge]

What’s surprising

[dense cove]

No need to be rude, I’m asking a question. I’m pretty sure I spelled it out very clearly what that question is

[balmy condor]

sub sims higher

yes

[runic hinge]

Sub sims higher

Damn I’m slow as hell

Also wasn’t trying to be rude

[compact quartz]

I’d say the question isn’t very clear because there’s no question - I know what you’re getting at though, I don’t Think Tony is trying to be rude, just asking what you’re trying to get at

[indigo mulch]

Sin unplayable.

[tired yacht]

yup, need more buffs

[balmy condor]

true

[dense cove]

I guess I feel like I have seen a lot of people saying that assassination will be the more prominent spec come Tuesday, but it doesn’t seem that way based on sims.

[balmy condor]

25% more please

[compact quartz]

I believe Fuu’s sims have ass higher? But I’m rogue noob atm so someone else can elaborate

[indigo mulch]

Why stop at 25%?

[runic hinge]

Raid fights aren’t based on sims

And neither is balance

[balmy condor]

sims are terrible references for balance

[indigo mulch]

Let's just make deathmark a 1min cooldown so it lines up better with kingsbane.

[runic hinge]

I want 25% more rupture damage

[dense cove]

Got you, I guess that is because it is just a perfect world scenario?

[spice surge]

Bleeds are for aoe, poison for ST

Thats how it goes rn

[runic hinge]

Yeah that’s why I want to spread rupture to every mob in a 12 mob pull

[lavish geyser]

how do you guys play first pull of workshop? im currently doing my 12s. a little late since I had some exam stuff. But i notice that everything just gets oneshot, and I just cant put a DM on a target without it dying hella quick

[indigo mulch]

Find the beefiest mob and just pray.

That's what i do

[red schooner]

Pretty much

Find big dude, refuse to move away from big dude

[lavish geyser]

there are no big dudes on the first pull

that is kinda the issue XD

[indigo mulch]

if everyhting dies to fast don't use DM, just use kingsbane

[balmy condor]

kinda yeah but there's also just differences in implementation between specs, some classes will have more min-maxes and robot TAS type things in them, I keep the assa one very close to human

there's a lot of factors

[indigo mulch]

That's what i do in packs that dies super fast, i just slam kb and a shiv and hope for the best

[balmy condor]

the fight length, downtime, adds

etc

[indigo mulch]

spreading bleeds is decent too i guess, but that pull is just to big to be fair 😒

[balmy condor]

so it's like yeah sub sims higher if you had 1 target dummy for 5 minutes

but who really cares about that ya know

[dense cove]

Yeah, I definitely see what you mean by that. Thanks for taking the time to type that out!

[lavish geyser]

ig a fat shiv inductor envenom would go hard

[indigo mulch]

I mean, you could legit just spread bleeds as well, just spam garrote and rupture and keep ct up

[haughty flicker]

first pull of workshop you play as unethically as possible

ez

demisemaxxxxxxxxx

[lavish geyser]

what is unethical?

lol

so just spread bleeds to everthing?

[indigo mulch]

you don't give a fuck about prio mobs and just do whatever benefits your details.

[haughty flicker]

well that pull doesnt have any prio mobs

you stop bomba from exploding

and you spread bleeds

[lavish geyser]

ill try to just bleed evertyhign up

[haughty flicker]

and normally it all just explodes

[indigo mulch]

Yeah i think thats the way.

Just bleed em up

[brave kindle]

sorry haven't been on ass since S1, are we taking internal bleeding over caustic now?

[haughty flicker]

ib is just for st, in m+ always take caustic

and most raid fights even you go caustic this tier

[balmy condor]

caustic with any adds

internal with no adds

[brave kindle]

ah okay, that's what I was thinking but I ready some stuff somewhere and it had me second guessing myself

this is what i've been running in m+

[indigo mulch]

In short, you only pick internal on sprocketmonger.

😄

[balmy condor]

yeah that's a standard m+ build

[indigo mulch]

Maybe carnage(?)

[balmy condor]

carnage is caustic

[haughty flicker]

you get enough spatter value in clash

[red schooner]

if you can get barely any caustic usage, go caustic

[indigo mulch]

Cuz of kb lining up decently with clash?

[red schooner]

IB is just a very small boost so its very easy for caustic to overtake it with any form of utilisation

[dawn heath]

are the trinket changes live?

[red schooner]

yup

[dawn heath]

class changes too?

[cerulean burrow]

Hey so what do we change in our single target takent build now ? Was it updated on wowhead or nah ?

[red schooner]

nope, they're on reset

[dawn heath]

kinda weird

[red schooner]

on reset for pure ST I think its dropping master assassin, improved garrotte and arterial and going 2/2 vicious venoms and tiny toxic blade

[cerulean burrow]

Thx

[indigo mulch]

Hmm, is it actually worth holding onto kb and delay your next dm on carnage?

[balmy condor]

not even kb but yeah

[indigo mulch]

so standard opener > hold first kb until clash then play it like that?

[red schooner]

but obviously, not live until reset

so, don't swap out now

unless you want to i ain't your boss

[dawn heath]

should we t rust the sims

on the goon trinket

it sims better than mine

zee's thughotline

xD

[amber brook]

Believe in the goonsquad

[humble verge]

wtf is this for outlaw

[haughty flicker]

the holy grail

[humble verge]

is this some sort of glitched trinket or

can you explain bel

better than goddamn max myth track trinkets

does not make sense

[warm drum]

looks like a classic case of simbait

[torpid lion]

trinket is bugged for law specifically so its rly good atm

some weird attack speed scaling shenanigans

[balmy condor]

CLASSIC SIMBAIT

[upper wraith]

law has to be the most buggy spec in the game

[warm drum]

?

[balmy condor]

people love throwing around "simbait"

without understanding anything about what's happening

it's incredible buzzword slop

[dreamy rover]

whispyr

[warm drum]

so im banned from chatting

is that it matey

[dreamy rover]

im trying to fucking understand this dumb DoT class it just doesnt make sense

[humble verge]

me when i play game and its just bug

[balmy condor]

I couldn't care what you say, I'm just laughing at simbait

trinket sims fine

it's just insanely bugged and just got buffed

[dreamy rover]

i get all the opener/ramping part of it (im talking about AoE)

[balmy condor]

uh huh

[dreamy rover]

but what do I do after my garrotes and ruptures fall off?

and dont want to throw a vanish at the pack

[warm drum]

so u coulda just let it go instead of rofling or

[dreamy rover]

do i refresh dots manually?

do i look at the monitor until pack dies

im confused

do i reapply rupture just enough to get max scent of blood?

idk

[balmy condor]

? you're the one that pinged me what

[red schooner]

if the packs gonna live long enough, manually reapply ruptures

[balmy condor]

yes

[dreamy rover]

ty for the input people

and what do I do if tank keeps chain pulling

[balmy condor]

you just wanna get enough energy

[dreamy rover]

just give up?

[torpid lion]

pray meld works

[balmy condor]

I mean if the tank is chaining that's what you have vanish for

[red schooner]

vanish, if not, utilise energy from bleeds on the last pack in order to get bleeds up on new pack

and keep on rolling

[dreamy rover]

apply ruptures for energy and scent of blood and my main damage comes from caustic on my main target

thats it?

[red schooner]

also keep tempest up

[dreamy rover]

yup

[balmy condor]

ct and caustic are your two big ones

after that just rupture/gar on main target, spread enough ruptures/garrotes for energy and bang out envenoms

if the tank chains properly, like not at 0.1%, you should be able to use that to push you into the next pack as well

dying targets that have rupture on them will just naturally give you energy back

[red schooner]

and then smile inside when you hit a big darkest night caustic envenom and watch when your damage on details suddenly spikes up

[balmy condor]

so you have your bleeds up on the old mobs, and that pushes you into the new pack

[red schooner]

it feels good

[dreamy rover]

gotcha, just wanted to take out a couple doubts I had about the spec, found myself lost in that situation

[haughty flicker]

the only one that sucks for me is the fucking droplets in cinderbrew after the fat guys die

[dreamy rover]

sucks hard\

[haughty flicker]

like you kind of have to sit there and dot them while the tank runs ahead

or ignore them and go into next pull with no energy

[red schooner]

just do what my groups do, tank forget droplets and runs ahead and caustic aggroes them onto me.

i am the tank now

[haughty flicker]

based

actually

[dreamy rover]

what about deathmark on AoE

[haughty flicker]

forgive me for what im about to say

[dreamy rover]

throw it down on the main dude and chill?

[red schooner]

send it on biggest target

[haughty flicker]

but ive come to understand a bit of boomkins pain

[red schooner]

and smack biggest target

[haughty flicker]

ye

[dreamy rover]

tricks of the trade has saved my life countless times

[haughty flicker]

so many pug tanks just body pull shit

[dreamy rover]

i love the talent

[haughty flicker]

or someone else pulls shit

and you insta have aggro bc of starfall

[runic hinge]

I feel like sometimes if im real quick i can get a stealth in before the drops form like spitefuls

[haughty flicker]

running for my life every other pull

[red schooner]

i run blackjack so rip me

[haughty flicker]

i'll have to try this

[dreamy rover]

dont run blackjack

[balmy condor]

Blackjack is goated

[red schooner]

nah i like blackjack

45% damage reduction on a pack?

very good

i forget the number

[dreamy rover]

literally me spamming stealth after every pack ends 😮

[balmy condor]

It like randomly works on some bosses sometimes too this season

[red schooner]

but either way, big damage reduction, good

[dreamy rover]

i mean its good

[haughty flicker]

wait really lmao

[red schooner]

works on motherlode second boss i know that much

[haughty flicker]

time to start testing blackjack on bosses

[dreamy rover]

but idk if I'd actually use it in valuable moments

[red schooner]

its weird

[haughty flicker]

thats so funny

actually thats pretty good

[balmy condor]

Idk how or why

[haughty flicker]

if it works on the add too

for that aoe pulse

[nimble tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/unhappy-cry-run-away-sad-cony-gif-15475082

[balmy condor]

I haven’t figured out how to make it work sometimes I just slam a blind just to see

But ye

Very whack

[haughty flicker]

ye im gonna have to try it out

[red schooner]

sometimes i just throw out a blind and sit there thinking 'yes, i'm contributing'

[balmy condor]

Tricks is good if you’re like in an organized group and helping group up mobs and shit

Or if you’re an impatient fuck

But like if you’re pugging and the tank is doing some wild shit

Pretty useless

[red schooner]

and blackjack can save some sketchy situations sometimes

30% reduced damage on a pack is pretty big

[tall jay]

But that’s the world I live in #puglife lol

[dreamy rover]

i mean im just the biggest tricks of the trade enjoyer of this discord, especially after discovering this WA https://wago.io/n9Sg1NLb5

[dapper halo]

im still in awe that were actually getting a buff

[dreamy rover]

literally me, if tanks start pulling 3 mobs in a pug ill just crash out, turn on tricks + evasion for that 1st melee hit and aggro more

[red schooner]

i'm just happy i can swap to 4 set now

[dreamy rover]

im insane like that

[dapper halo]

i just ignored the old sets

out with the old in with the new

[red schooner]

raid leader said he's giving me the hc gally token tomorrow so i can get 4 set, life is okay

[dreamy rover]

idk, i had mostly 626 tier pieces from S1 since i came back to wow at the end of it and it my sim said to replace it for S2 4pc as soon as i got it

so i didnt even bother with 2pc 2pc

[red schooner]

i have trust issues with the vault after week 1 and the SIX GODDAMN TRINKETS

so we don't rely on vault

[dapper halo]

i just want the kevin spacey trinket

[dreamy rover]

whats that

[red schooner]

house of cards

[dreamy rover]

oh lol

[dapper halo]

https://tenor.com/view/house-of-cards-frank-underwood-kevin-spacey-look-stare-gif-4305804

[dreamy rover]

are we going to run blindside bleed build after buffs?

[agile geode]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty flicker]

hybrid doesnt go down the left side of the tree

[dreamy rover]

oh true

my bad

[haughty flicker]

i had to double check myself

bleed maxxing for life

[dapper halo]

i like bleed build, its so simple

[upper wraith]

!wa

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[onyx linden]

Does sin rogue have the highest execute damage? What other classes even have it? I know of fire mage and war, but it doesn't seem as strong as zoldyck and blindside.

[gray hazel]

Hybrid still ideal for keys 12+?

[cinder bone]

I’m about to start running 12s and switched to hybrid at 11

[raven locust]

is raidbots updated for the changes yet on Latest?

[spice surge]

No, because theyre not in the game yet

The trinket changes are in, because those are live in game

Class tuning is not

[cinder bone]

Wait so attack power is basically the same as main stat? So 2 whetstones is like 1000 agi?

[ionic hill]

I run 12’s with bleed build and honestly its better in my experience. You could always combat pot the boss fights I guess it depends from group to group though

[royal lantern]

guys, it literally makes no real difference

[slate crown]

how would you know you hate M+

[severe meadow]

Cooking

God I love bleeds

[onyx linden]

What happened to that lock

[severe meadow]

Friend who is very new to the game

[thorn thorn]

Fartonfloor did very good for being new

[ionic hill]

The difference is bleed is fun ❤️

[dreamy rover]

it means "using mutilate or ambush" correct? my ambush seems to be applying caustic

[thorn thorn]

Its both

[severe meadow]

both yeah

[dreamy rover]

uhhh apparently blizzard cant write

[thorn thorn]

Blizzard tooltips as usual are not fully helpful

As long as you have Rupture and Deadly Poison Mut and Ambush will apply it

[dreamy rover]

ty caustic hater!

at least you're not hating on something you dont know about

[upper wraith]

!wa

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[gray hazel]

Might be a good idea. I just struggle with ST damage and ToP kinda sucks for that

[ionic hill]

Yup top will take forever with bleed build but then again the gorechop packs will be smooth as hell so I guess its a trade

[ebon steppe]

ToP？

[gray hazel]

Theater of Pain

[ebon steppe]

Ohh

[ionic hill]

Tbh I don’t know if the hybrid build is that much behind in aoe in a 12 key (if at all)

[gray hazel]

what ive been trying to do is inv dps who do good ST

I did a 12 Rook and ToP and my AoE was solid

as Hybrid

[ionic hill]

My runs have been smoother with the bleed build in 12’s though for sure

[gray hazel]

just awful ST it felt, even my cds were not up for bosses

[dawn heath]

what the fuck is up with shadowstep on gallywix

[ionic hill]

Yeah the idea is our st sucks anyways hybrid or not so bleed build we ball

[ebon steppe]

Cuz blz sucks at this

[thorn thorn]

My nemesis has appeared

[ebon steppe]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/primus-cowboy-draw-showdown-standoff-gif-21389743

[ebon steppe]

/cast vendetta

[thorn thorn]

The goofiest standoff

My comically large cowboy hat gets snagged on a tree and I fall on my ass

[gray hazel]

I have also been using radiant power, was thinking of maybe trying depths to see if it makes a difference

might be so minimal anyways, it does like .7-.9% of overall hah

[cinder geode]

i havent played sin in a while, what are the pooling rules ?

i see them referenced in guides but i dont see them

[balmy condor]

if kingsbane is coming up, wait 4 seconds

[cinder geode]

thats it ?

[thorn thorn]

[cinder geode]

[dreamy rover]

[balmy condor]

blizzard keeps adding like 0.4% pooling rules

and then the next patch

they fucking kill it

so yeah

that's it

[cinder geode]

good to know ty

[balmy condor]

and it's VERY minimal

like if you forgot to pool before your non-dm kingsbanes

it won't matter

in any way

[thorn thorn]

If nothing matters on sin does that make it peak or trash spec design

[dreamy rover]

peak imo

stats dont matter

[dawn heath]

rotation doesnt matter

[dreamy rover]

pooling doesnt matter

nothing matters

[brave kindle]

[dawn heath]

funny how that is the sentiment here meanwhile other discords are so caught up in the small details

[dreamy rover]

I enjoy this type of class design

you can pick the spec and just play it for decent damage

or you can min max the fuck out of everything and do amazing damage

compared to sub where if you get 1 global wrong in your burst window your dps is fucked

[severe meadow]

I mean, if you're offering..

[onyx gyro]

/!ui

ui

[slate crown]

!wa

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[onyx gyro]

thanks

[dawn heath]

hm

my spatter doesnt hit on gallywix

any tips?

is it a bribe tank situation

[severe meadow]

wdym

[dawn heath]

they tank

adds

in narnia

spatter no hit

[severe meadow]

for fucking what

[dawn heath]

idk its a pug

[severe meadow]

Bribe tank ig

[thorn thorn]

Report for gameplay sabotage

[dawn heath]

ye my dmg is demonic

its gonna ruin mytaverage parse killing this boss

im gonna blue parse with no spatter

[dreamy rover]

makes no sense in my head to choose TTB over blindside

can anyone smarter explain?

[primal gazelle]

How’s it he 3% buff for us?

[west crown]

?

We don’t do that

[dreamy rover]

what are you saying?

[spice surge]

The bleed build could run blindside for more st or ttb for more aoe

[dreamy rover]

yhea i could've just fucking read the guide again

insane unreadable screenshot

[primal gazelle]

How does that compare to sub/assa in m+ tho

[sudden brook]

Ready for mugzee

[dawn heath]

my new strategy nwo is to

over aggro the bots when they spawn

so i can atleast spatter 1 or 2

and stand on the opposite side

[glad ferry]

So for raid as for next week, we run VV 2/2. Does this mean we go back to the way things were at the releae of xpac so no CtW after Darkest Night? Just making sure real quick

[haughty flicker]

yes you ignore ctw when playing vv

[glad ferry]

ok ty!

[haughty flicker]

unless there are adds anyway

in st dont use ctw

[glad ferry]

Yeah figured, ty!

[dawn heath]

ye its over for me

2.1

no spatter

we have 2 fury warriors killing the adds like their life depends on it 40 yards away from the boss

[cinder bone]

Lmao