assassination

[primal burrow]

You're set

[haughty flicker]

im never seeing a mythic hoc so yeah

[buoyant herald]

yeah this isn't hard, only took me one +10 to get in my vault. you guys must be doing it wrong

[primal burrow]

Goal reached, bye bye

[haughty flicker]

see he gets it

[humble verge]

i got normal hoc

[runic hinge]

Just get better vaults

[humble verge]

im good for a while

actually real

[buoyant herald]

i got an energy drink from my delve map last night too, feels CRAZY when you get good weapons and trinkets early in the season

[haughty flicker]

i still need to farm floodgate for a pacemaker but its such a small upgrade that idk if i hate myself enough to do it

[buoyant herald]

if you're filling vault weekly you'll almost certainly get it eventually

[haughty flicker]

you'd think

ive done

[buoyant herald]

unless you actively avoid FG

[haughty flicker]

i think 100 keys so far at least

have not even seen a pair of leather gloves drop

[buoyant herald]

to be fair, i only got sacbrood last season when someone else gave it to me

[haughty flicker]

like not even hero track

any leather gloves

at all

[buoyant herald]

never got a natty drop

[haughty flicker]

not a single drop

[buoyant herald]

go buy some champ track gloves from the pvp vendor

like 700 bloody coins, that's like 2 world quests

[haughty flicker]

i'd never sully myself with pvp gear

but also it kind of has to be hero track

so i can cata it

[buoyant herald]

well yeah but

better than sticking with 639 from last season

given the tiny investment required

[haughty flicker]

its my 2p

so nope

[buoyant herald]

ah, rip

[primal burrow]

At least youllbe able to target items with dinar things

[haughty flicker]

and its 619 lmao

not even myth track

[buoyant herald]

same weaps, same trinkets, my man

[haughty flicker]

ye gonna get jastors probably

assuming they dont change their mind again

[buoyant herald]

we have a trinket wishlist for our guild loot

[haughty flicker]

about dinars lmao

[buoyant herald]

and i actually don't need anything from raid now so...???

feelsbad putting HoC on it since 10 others want it and im like yeah offspec please

[onyx crane]

is wanting to restealth as a rogue an overall ps loss for the party in a key?

[humble verge]

we got 2 hoc

first week

on normal, no hc sadge

[haughty flicker]

if the tank is chainpulling well then yes

[buoyant herald]

we've done 2 normal and 2 HC and seens zero

[humble verge]

i was 2 out of 11 lol

[haughty flicker]

it is slower for the rogue to restealth than to chainpull well

if hes doing it poorly then idk

whispyr has ranted for a loing time about restealths not being as important as people think so dont let him see that

you can also just stay back and hit whatevers keeping you in combat if its low

or save a vanish charge if you know they might chain into a big pull

[onyx crane]

yeah

well I was playing some olderbuild for a bit not the double vanish one

I need to get used to the flow of the dung

[haughty flicker]

the only dungeon where it bothers me is cinderbrew

just because of those droplets the big guys spawn when they die

like you're not gonna sit there and hit them before pulling next pack so best is just get some ruptures on them and get going

[onyx crane]

but I still like to restealth when i can

[fallen orbit]

So true

Doing the same

[brave comet]

i wish outlaw wasn't such a terrible spec

[tawny geyser]

How exactly does it work? Sims higher than 645 Kezan.
Using it with House of Cards tho
Do I just use it on cooldown or?

[haughty flicker]

i think theres a blurb about it in the wowhead guide

use during lingering darkness

ok enough being helpful for today back to shitposting

[tawny geyser]

Thanks for it 🙂

Anyone's got Lingering Darkness standalone WA?

[neat isle]

Or just be a night elf and shadowmeld, lets you go back into stealth. only works on trash though, not bosses/mini bosses

[errant heath]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[indigo sphinx]

Is this in sims?

[haughty flicker]

thats above my paygrade

wait

im not getting paid at all

why am i being helpful

[indigo sphinx]

Sounds like a scam to me 😄

Get some help Bel

[spice spire]

Don’t make me call Ronkles on you yung burgundy

[glossy light]

guys, how is it with sets? My 2pc old season + 2pc new season sims me higher than 4pc this season (hero track)

[spice spire]

Pins

But that’s accurate

[waxen oyster]

2p is good

[glossy light]

oh, whispyr really covers everything, thanks

[clever wolf]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2nLNYdjcXahhMYZfkkTNiS
rly 2p2p> new 4p ?

[waxen oyster]

....unless you lose 10 stacks during your cds

less fun

[indigo sphinx]

I own him

And hes busy raiding anyways 😛

[lavish geyser]

would it make sense to just max a peice now? a myth peice that is

[spice spire]

Buddy I’ll fight you for that perfect lad

[balmy condor]

That’s what the pin you replied to says in big bold letters is it not

[balmy condor]

Yes, has been for a bit now

[waxen oyster]

where's my pvp trinket in sims 🤓

[indigo sphinx]

❤️

[balmy condor]

Also fixed

[waxen oyster]

was it bugged prior

[balmy condor]

Yes

[waxen oyster]

sounds more tempting than funhouse mirror

[balmy condor]

PvP trink is 1 min

But it was holding for deathmark

[waxen oyster]

Yeah so you'd send every kb

and kb+dm

[balmy condor]

So it was very uber giga dogshit

And so I had to add a special case for it to send on every kb

So now it’s just slightly uber giga dogshit

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i mean, priory farming jail

placeholder

[gleaming bough]

I'm trying to decide between sub and sin rogue is there a big DMG gap between them? I'll mainly be doing M+

[lavish geyser]

what keys are good for assa 🙂

?

[haughty flicker]

idk i havent felt like any key is especially bad for sin compared to other specs

[real pike]

play what you enjoy more

[haughty flicker]

top is a bit annoying if you're doing the minibosses by themselves, but if you pull stuff on them its nice

[lavish geyser]

okay 🙂 im just trying to go sub for the more heavy ST dungeons. and just assa for the rest 🙂

[glossy light]

its weird seeing, "Niko is typing"

[haughty flicker]

sub probably pumps in top

[lavish geyser]

LOLs

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-getting-out-of-hand-star-wars-viceroy-jedi-sith-gif-11488732

[lavish geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[undone flame]

is thare any chance of blizz changeing our 4p?

[spice spire]

50%

[real pike]

yoooooo just realised I've been running skippers instead of windsingers rune, someone tell me I'm gonna get 5% more damage from correcting

[spice spire]

Either they will or they won’t

[undone flame]

fair point XD

[spice spire]

[undone flame]

i hope thay do tho

[balmy condor]

They won’t

The 4 piece is balanced

[undone flame]

in my dreams thay might

[balmy condor]

Tuning it would be actually stupid

[undone flame]

btw with the swap to 4p is it all the pieces that needs to be 662?

i wil sim it

[balmy condor]

Needs to average around there somewhere

2 myth track and 2 max champ track does it for me

[humble verge]

2 champ?

[undone flame]

i wil sim but wanted an general idea

[humble verge]

fr?

honestly

if the shoulders drop on vexie again

im going 4p

[undone flame]

cool i wil dont feel bad for rolling on gear in my raid then

[balmy condor]

Yeah I have myth shoulders and legs to catalyze next week

[cinder bone]

lets goooooooooo

[balmy condor]

And I dumped gilded into the shoulders

So I cata legs and swap

[undone flame]

havent even beat heroic yet 🤡

[balmy condor]

Mythic vexie is easier than 7/8h

Maybe even easier than heroic bandit too

[glossy light]

guys, what neck are we playing? or are we gonna craft crit/mastery one?

[balmy condor]

The one that sims highest for you

[glossy light]

There are not many necks to choose from

[balmy condor]

Probably not crafted

But it’s most likely fine for people

Later in the patch at least

[haughty flicker]

yeah we're gonna be doing vexie tonight i think after we kill bandit

it seems to be super free compared to last two

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[manic quartz]

loved our raid today, literally did nothing but blasted bosses

[undone flame]

hmm maby i shoude ask my rl about it when we have 20 ppl

[manic quartz]

cant catch me getting mechanics

[humble verge]

@balmy condor is the cleft neck the actual bis one? is it cause we'll lack crit with all bis or nah?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-eyes-gif-22773102

[runic hinge]

I hope I get crit in the neck

[spice spire]

Hey

[rocky zodiac]

How do you guys play one armed bandid? Do you stay on boss? Do you target switch to the adds thats killed last? Any tips and tricks welcome

[royal lantern]

stay on boss and cleave

[rocky zodiac]

I did that and got called out for that. Because of that i just wanted to ask here if there is another way 😄

[onyx linden]

Anyone else have heroic jastor+myth ring sim higher than circe?

[balmy condor]

Sure man

[balmy condor]

No

[balmy condor]

Tell your raid lead to eat rocks because he doesn’t know how your spec works

[haughty flicker]

oh im saving that one too

ive got a good collection now

[onyx linden]

Huh. It's not much, but jastor's seems better than circe even at heroic level.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9xmmcZnmyB8PHNTb18oPXT
not sure if I should bother asking for it if it drops

[weak prism]

Hi guys, quick question if i have darkest night proc but rupture is in pandemic should i slam envenom or extend rupture and proc darkest with next 7cp?

[balmy condor]

Use correct gems

[balmy condor]

Darkest night takes prio

[weak prism]

Ty!

[haughty flicker]

me when 55 gem combos were all 0.0%

what are correct gems

oh circlet citrines

whippy using wrong word gg

[balmy condor]

Circlet matters yeah

[haughty flicker]

im actually surprised they didnt nerf circlet again

[rocky zodiac]

Am i allowed to quote you? 😄

[haughty flicker]

a story in 3 parts

[timid bramble]

so assasin doing better in raid than sub

at least for mythic i see

[rocky zodiac]

thanks a lot 😛

[balmy condor]

Go for it

[runic hinge]

There’s enough parses for like one boss

[onyx linden]

Are these not the correct circlet gems? Am I blind?

[spice spire]

There’s a nifty article explaining why!

[runic hinge]

In week two

[turbid thistle]

Is it possible to get House of Cards, if i am not raiding? I heard one say we will get buillons again??

[balmy condor]

Skipper is wrong

[humble verge]

hahahaha ive ignored mechanics since joining this guild for the past months*, but f.exp i wont do adds anywhere, ill cleave - esp on mugzee - if you get jailed sure its fine, but you dont wanna step into the jail intentionally

[onyx linden]

I dont have skipper in?

[balmy condor]

We maybe get bullions perhaps sometimes later maybe

[balmy condor]

Oh mb

[red schooner]

tried the 'mugzee don't go in the walls but spatter both adds' thing, tanks moved the boss away from the adds. rip

[balmy condor]

Very strange

Maybe it’s a priory thing I’ll take a look

[onyx linden]

Alright, cool. Thanks.

[spice spire]

Yeah I was going to say double crit is very bold with signet

[waxen oyster]

Wants that crit on use

[red schooner]

On the plus side, got my raid leader to stop calling me out for funnelling

So thats good

[spice spire]

The seal fate cp going crazy

[balmy condor]

Doing all of this with no internet is so aids

[waxen oyster]

Just crit natty

You always have 50% crit if you think about it.

[scarlet meadow]

rolled a 100 on house of cards then r1 mug zee lfg baby

[waxen oyster]

You either crit or you dont

[haughty flicker]

rank 1 lfr goes hard

[runic hinge]

I always crit

[spice spire]

Mobile simming

[haughty flicker]

oh he said lfg not lfr lmao

i need more sleep

fucking hell

[scarlet meadow]

lfr would go so hard though you're right

[balmy condor]

It’s hell

[spice spire]

My life

[inland escarp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d8o28Bxac4fEJrZ3JW5ADw

Figured it out

It just wants you to have legit anything other than mastery

[onyx linden]

Ah, okay

too much mastery? lol

[balmy condor]

You got so much mastery everywhere that circlet being a full mastery ring is just suffering and pain

[onyx linden]

right

[spice spire]

Wild

[onyx linden]

Gotcha, thanks for looking at it

[balmy condor]

Np

[balmy condor]

In the original sim he had more mastery than his other 3 stats combined

It was insane

[swift bluff]

Amorphous trinket from delves popped up as the biggest upgrade outside of delves. What

[balmy condor]

Yep

[swift bluff]

I literally have heroic one from bounty. Thought that thing would gather dust for decades

Rejoice

[balmy condor]

Yeah we all thought that and then blizzard buffed it by like 127% or something

Maybe it was 124%

Somewhere in that range

[young pebble]

I'm not 100% sure I understand snapshotting. For example, if a target has Improved Garrote on it, is it still okay to refresh with a regular garrote during its pandemic window or do I want the improved garrote to expire?

[runic hinge]

Wait for it to expire

[young pebble]

So all snapshotting does is it adds time to a NEWLY casted spell that overwrites an old one, but all damage modifiers from the old spell are instantly replaced by the new?

[tawdry halo]

Are you talking about pandemic?

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[undone flame]

Is it worth haveing an wa to keep track of 4p?

[spice spire]

No

[split willow]

Any shroud skips this tier?

[keen spruce]

[severe meadow]

A few if your tank wants

[keen spruce]

There’s gotta still be some in mother load still

Surely

(Idk what they changed)

[severe meadow]

First pack in ToP is a banger

[undone flame]

No big ones i know off but havent been looking at routes yet

[split willow]

I’m trying to find a skip in cinderbrew

[runic hinge]

I think they took out a bunch of trash tbh

[junior olive]

idk if im simming right can this even be possible? Used Top Gear for dungeon slice.. my Pacemaker is a 649

[undone flame]

Only one I currently know myself

[junior olive]

pacemaker and signet are alot higher up on trinket list

but wants me to use heart

[haughty flicker]

yeah your stats can effect trinket choice a good amount atm

[junior olive]

ok i'll trust it..ty

[haughty flicker]

eventually pacemaker will probably come out on top

heart was simming best for me before but then i upgraded ring and pacemaker is back on top

[junior olive]

oh ok make sense

[past bobcat]

Is signet the 2nd best thing behind hoc

[brave comet]

my guild is full on joking about fucking dogs in guild chat rn

i think ill quit

[brazen sluice]

am i tripping or did my assa sim in st got higher?

[drifting cloud]

your pacemaker is probably bricking your priory

[timid bramble]

i am at 66% mastery

am i the 66 master

[willow rover]

Is wearing the 2 pc set from s1 and 2 pc set from s2 better than 4 pc set s1?

[unreal kayak]

Soon 69

[timid bramble]

69god

[timid bramble]

on paper yes, but sim yourself and see

[severe meadow]

2pc from s1 is fairly strong, but always sim

[elder dome]

sim always like they said, but keep in mind if you are looking at those tier-piece overall sims for classes (and even fuu's sheet etc.) they almost always sim with full mythic gear fully upgraded 6/6. this is why results may vary per individual and why new 4-pc isn't instantly bis

https://www.wowhead.com/news/ulrias-season-2-tier-set-dps-estimate-spreadsheet-375569#screenshots:375569:1 this kinda thing is what i'm referring to

[brave comet]

whats the point of this stat

[lavish geyser]

is it this week that we can just upgrade a mythic peice to max?

[red schooner]

Good vault

[keen spruce]

Flavor

[runic hinge]

Which one

[red schooner]

Can't get a bad vault with +1 luck

[fallow canopy]

true

[wanton nest]

Adds 1 to all rolls.

[gusty mirage]

Schwetty balls

[runic hinge]

Quakes favorite

@spice spire

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/xinging-xinging-monkey-monkey-monkey-speech-xinging-speech-bubble-gif-17417339258175886022

[keen spruce]

@gusty mirage ‘s chair

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/bober-kurwa-wombat-not-a-beaver-beaver-gif-8961649020872801915

[safe swift]

anyone got like a good AoE opener clip or sequence?

[tawdry halo]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[tawdry halo]

Wowhead guide will have a good timeline sequence

go to the rotation page

[willow rover]

Guys im dumb. How would i sim myself for m+ comparing s1 4pc vs 2pc/2pc s1/s2 on simc

[tawdry halo]

you can add items not in your bags in the Top Gear sim option

just add tier set you want to sim against at whatever ilvl you want to sim it

[safe swift]

is there a WA to track darkest night proc

[tawdry halo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tawdry halo]

if you want a specific darkest night tracker, LE's collection should have a standalone WA

otherwise, any of the WA groups will come with a darkest night tracker by default

[twilit flint]

Are the M+ talents on wow head the ones to follow?

[tawdry halo]

yes

[strange sleet]

Bro this is horrible. It's been 25 mins like this. I don't get picked even for a shit +6

[haughty flicker]

welcome to pugging as a dps

[runic hinge]

Play a tank or healer if you want fast queues

Run your own key or find some friends

[haughty flicker]

dude

i scammed my way into a key as guardian last week

never played bear in my life

it didnt go well

we timed it tho

rogue tank spec when

[strange sleet]

yes plz

[strange sleet]

I already play DH, WArrior and Paladin

I'm sick of tanking, wanna play my sin rogue

[runic hinge]

Okay then don’t expect to get in groups lol

[strange sleet]

😦

[royal lantern]

play with guildmates/friends

[runic hinge]

It took me 35 minutes to get into a 4 of my lowest key with 1800 rating on Monday

[royal lantern]

playing with randoms is pain anyway

[haughty flicker]

im 653 ilvl 2521 io and i still get declined to 7s

[runic hinge]

You’re one of 100 dps

[haughty flicker]

pugging just aint it

it never gets better

[strange sleet]

Ye I know, and I'm 640 ilvl so there is pretty much no chance

[haughty flicker]

there is no light at the end of the tunnel

[royal lantern]

run your own key

only way to play with randoms if you want faster time

[haughty flicker]

you'll be waiting an hour and a half for a tank or healer at low key levels

but it is your best bet for sure

[strange sleet]

Yeah that's what I do. But I wanted to farm the priory trinket

F i guess

[haughty flicker]

just get it from vault 4head

[strange sleet]

ez vault

[runic hinge]

Just find a geared tank and make friends and let them apply for you

[strange sleet]

I guess I need a guild

[haughty flicker]

definitely the way to go if you can

then you wont even have to go out of your way to get into keys, they'll just randomly invite you to shit

[strange sleet]

I mean, I understand it. I also pick mostly meta clases with high ilvl for my keys, because most ppl do shit dps

[royal lantern]

randoms do shit dps anyway

[strange sleet]

so i get it, but I wish there was a way to let pugs know the performance of the person

[royal lantern]

doesnt matter what they play, they always do so low dmg

[strange sleet]

yeah

[haughty flicker]

it me

im the random

[royal lantern]

then i do Dungeons with guildmates and get Humbled quick

[haughty flicker]

fr actually

[royal lantern]

"oh man, assa in m+ is strong huh"->firemage and ww monk buddys appear and gap me.harder then quake

[haughty flicker]

theres a few people in my guild who are actual monsters in m+

if im in a group with them im just trying not to embarrass myself

[strange sleet]

I don't know ppl like that xd

I just plat with friends who are probablt even worse that pugs

but it's fun

[junior olive]

wym?

[haughty flicker]

was a fire mage and a ret for me lmao

everything was dead instantly

still spreading ruptures and the pack is dead

[royal lantern]

tbf, thats the ret experience

[haughty flicker]

pug rets disappoint me

[royal lantern]

garrote garrote rupture ruptur.....oh its dead, they pressed divine storm 2x

[junior olive]

Would it be better to not spread rupture so much if they will die soon? Maybe 3-4 targets

[drifting cloud]

pacemaker procs crit, your highest stat is now crit, makes your priory trinket worse compared to mastery

[strange sleet]

VS rets you need to max SD, it's the only way 🤣

refresh Crimson when mobs are really low

😮

[junior olive]

Ohh I understand now.

Appreciate it

[drifting cloud]

but its also a DS sim so maybe the heart is just a DS sim beast

since I very rarely sim ds, but its definetly a thing on st sim

[strange sleet]

wtf is this. WHy is ret at the top

I guess really good m+ players are still not pushing?

[runic hinge]

Ret blasts and doesn’t die

[jaunty warren]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[haughty flicker]

and makes it less likely anyone else dies

ret just really good in m+

[strange sleet]

fml

[runic hinge]

Rotation easy as hell so you can focus on mechanics

[strange sleet]

I hope this will change

I fucking hate rets

[haughty flicker]

ret was bad for a decade, now they get to be good for a decade

it is as foretold

df rework went crazy for ret

[runic hinge]

I hate rets cause it’s easy and it blasts but every pug one I invite to my keys are trying to see if they can be below the tank

[haughty flicker]

i hate rets but i like playing ret

its comfy

and you can do so much to help people

[gusty mirage]

ye the utility is my fav part

you can legit negate mechanics completely

[runic hinge]

It’s boring imo but I can do like maybe 3 keys a week before I fall asleep

[gusty mirage]

it's so sick

[strange sleet]

Utility? wdym, they don't even have kick

[thorn thorn]

Play with an underqualified or undergeared tank

[gusty mirage]

classico lack of kicking

can't press rebuke it's not a shiny button

also why is the pally kick called "rebuke"

do they just yell stop at the mobs and the mobs stop?

[haughty flicker]

better than kicking them in the shins hoping it makes them stop

[gusty mirage]

[haughty flicker]

unless we're doing throat kicks or some shit

[gusty mirage]

I've banged my shin on a table

that shit hurts

[strange sleet]

We are kicking them in the balls

[earnest remnant]

if a dude with a massive sword glowing yellow with wings told you to stop it, wouldnt you?

[gusty mirage]

I would not

[strange sleet]

that would make anyone stop cast

[gusty mirage]

@earnest remnant

rebuttal?

or rather

[earnest remnant]

nah thats fair

[gusty mirage]

REBUKE?

[haughty flicker]

monk actually has best interrupt

just punch them in the throat

[gusty mirage]

I miss u(s) @earnest remnant

[earnest remnant]

need a movie night with the bois again at some point

just no more cocaine bear

[gusty mirage]

fake name anyway

there wasn't enough cocaine or bear to be called cocaine bear

[strange sleet]

I GOT INTO A PRIORY 6

INSANE

Just 1 hour give it or take

[gusty mirage]

you're a gamer

[pliant violet]

not too late for them to figure you out

[strange sleet]

I think the leader missclicked or something

[buoyant herald]

OI. STOP IT.

Very effective, just like telling off your kids irl

[fossil sand]

where is this from?

[uneven plume]

I sim at 1.932 for both 4 pc and 2pc+2pc

think i should go with 4pc at thsi point?

[buoyant herald]

It does mean more HP so probably. But your ilvl parses will get worse

[strange sleet]

BRO

FML

they can't trade

[strange sleet]

murlok.io

actually blaster party. BM was 640 same as me. ELe was 651

first in a while

[indigo ginkgo]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[past holly]

!macro

[zenith axle]

is assination the only pvp spec rn?

[chilly phoenix]

should i macro Skardyn's into deathmark?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[chilly phoenix]

best combo with it?

[severe sparrow]

why do all of branns new curios have to pull me out of stealth all the time

actually triggering

[chilly phoenix]

Also how do i famr a high ilvl skardyn's

[severe sparrow]

are you reading an old guide? youd need a time machine for that

[spice surge]

You dont

[chilly phoenix]

oh cant get it anymore

[spice surge]

Priory drops another trinket that does pretty much the same thing

[timber hare]

what is the plater profile for rouge again?

[spice surge]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[chilly phoenix]

so i should jsut run signet instead i see

ty

[timber hare]

got a question

im returning and i cant remember for rouge

when u come out of stealth does your bar not change at all?

[strange sleet]

it does

[timber hare]

mine isnt changing is it a setting i need to change?

[strange sleet]

well maybe I spoke too soon. Not sure iff the default ui does or not

[timber hare]

just redownloaded it

so ive only got weakauras/plater/dbm

didnt wanna do elv ui if im not planning to play consistently

[strange sleet]

I think it should change

1 sec

[timber hare]

so when im stealth

but when i unstealth

it keeps that same exact bar

[peak bobcat]

killed rik

[strange sleet]

yes it does change

[peak bobcat]

benched on stix gg go next

[timber hare]

but i dont remember last if last season it changed my bar or not

[strange sleet]

gz

try changing skills

then maybe mount on the flying mount

the DF one that changes your bar

it's probably bugged or something

[timber hare]

my bars last season never changed going from stealth to non stealth

thats why im confused is there a way to set that back up

[strange sleet]

I have no idea. It should work by default

[granite sentinel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange sleet]

try swapping edit-mode-layouts

to modern or something

[timber hare]

yeah its not really swapping

it just locks me into stealth combat for the whole encounter

even after the stealth 6s is up

[feral pelican]

hey so on my rotation... should i just be spamming envenoms or should i be spacing shit out and trying to maintain the envenom poison?

like slow walking it a little

[strange sleet]

gotta be bugged then

[brave comet]

whats the wow update about

[strange sleet]

In my opinion is better to space things out a little so you don't drop envenom buf, as long as you are not wasting any other resources

maybe they are nerfing Raid stuff

[fleet pagoda]

i haven't used the old bars in a while, but could it be related to cycling that main action bar? like it has the little yellow arrow next to it and you can switch premade bars. perhaps it's related to not being on Bar 1? not certain, just a shot in the dark

just tested it and the bar won't be affected by stealth, maybe check that

[timber hare]

i dont believe i used that but i can attempt it, if i cant get it like before ill prob just drop rouge and play something else during this sub

[fleet pagoda]

i don't remember where it is on the default art action bar, but I think it has a default keybind that switches it so it's possible you switched to bar 2 without knowing it

[tidal laurel]

hey guys. can anyone help me with checking a log so i can understand where im going wrong?

[strange sleet]

If you do something like
!log (log link)
I think you create a threath were ppl an comment about it maybe?

[junior olive]

yo in ST build, do you ever push Shiv without Kingsbane since there's 2 charges? or do you save it

[tidal laurel]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VANYr7ngafZT9xzh?fight=22&type=damage-done&source=16

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[tidal laurel]

@strange sleet ty!

[strange sleet]

The dry shiv. With lingering darkness from deathstalker after your deathmark, you will recover a shiv charge in the last 10-15 seconds. During this time if you proc a Darkest Night, shiv into a 7cp envenom for a large darkest night hit. This is the biggest gain in single target out of everything above me.

Pins

[strange sleet]

NP. I can't really help you with the log since I don't raid. And is probably a little late so the channel is not that active

[tidal laurel]

fair enough. thank you though

[junior olive]

damn ty didnt kno that

[tidal laurel]

im fking up in raid and keys. i was doing well last season but now failing hard this season

[strange sleet]

Your opener it's a little bit scuffed. You also didn't use Deathmark for the first 2 mins? I see a cast at 2:07 but not at the start @tidal laurel

[coral ibex]

damn i just saw the caustic change. that shit owns big time hell yea

[viscid spear]

Can you Cloak the mines on Heroic Sprocket to avoid the debuff?

[tidal laurel]

i have it macroed with the trinket... dont know why it did not go off the first time

oh hell its not doing it on all of them.. i have not noticed that before...

[restive falcon]

we caustic just for the collide during dino/trex phase on mythic?

[runic hinge]

@spice spire mobile log review

[strange sleet]

You also vanished late in the opener. You want to take advantage of the last 6 sec from Kingsbane

[tidal laurel]

i thought it was supposed to be 3.. but i will change that up then

[strange sleet]

And also garrote when both garrote and MA are about to expire

3? why 3? You wanna MA buff for the last part of Kingsbane

[runic hinge]

It used to be 3

MA buff

[tidal laurel]

ok so i was not going crazy lol

[swift bluff]

It's my alt - won't see mythic raiding, but will be getting to 10's+. What is the take here? I've got 619 4pc. Mast Ring is 16k boost and trinket is 40k boost.

[strange sleet]

Don't you have MA buff tacked?

[peak bobcat]

Trinket

[tidal laurel]

no.. i need to get that set

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[strange sleet]

It's very important imo. Specially for M+

[runic hinge]

Use whispyrs wa pack it’ll make you play better

[spice spire]

Deans list infeed

[runic hinge]

LE also has a kb weak aura in the collection that’ll have tick marks for shiv and for vanish you can assign sound effects to

[idle inlet]

should sin be having to hard switch to adds on one armed bandit? or are we just trying to cleave off boss and maybe throw out some ruptures

[thorn thorn]

What is the peoples opinion on Exsanguinate

[spice spire]

Did we go over mark management

Or is that dead air

[runic hinge]

I think most people are haters

Don’t think so

[tidal laurel]

we did earlier. found out it was happening every pull

[strange sleet]

Deathmark or Deathstalker Mark?

xd

I didn't look too much into the log since it's not really my thing

but yeah the opener it's scuffed

[spice spire]

Deathstalker

[strange sleet]

Did you swapped Deathstalker Mark in the intermission properly?

@tidal laurel

[spice spire]

It’s up less than half the fight

He did not

[desert vault]

any particular tips for heroic Mugzee? seems like most logs are sin over sub?

[strange sleet]

damn

[spice spire]

I have it In the thread for them

[hollow talon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[severe meadow]

Be degenerate and stay outside of jails and cleave

[desert vault]

can you cloak the ice spike?

[haughty flicker]

my guild is making literally everyone go into jails

this is cursed

[desert vault]

we are all going into jails too

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-in-gif-18577359

Me to my raid leader

[tidal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/deathrow-kenney-gif-18648292

lol

[fallow canopy]

pog lmao

[spice spire]

Real

Stix?

[fallow canopy]

rik

a lot of sub rerollers smh

[spice spire]

Richard reverberation

My gosh

[haughty flicker]

we arent even tanking the boss between the jails

i cant even be greedy and cleave outside

wtf

[fallow canopy]

stix prison begins, see you on the mental asylum

[exotic wren]

does anyone know a good M+ assa rogue BBP

[wise bloom]

The damage yea, the being frozen for 20 seconds or smth no

[haughty flicker]

i might have to play sub on mugzee

because sin was miserable with how we were doing it lmao

there was one pull where i could properly cleave off boss and i was second most damage on the adds

but every other pull it did not go well

[buoyant herald]

i really liked assass on mugzee but my tanks were behaving with boss location so felt good

being able to spatter 2 jails during DM/KB windows is nice

[uneven plume]

sin good if we start on left side first, shitty on right side

cause you gotta dip mid DM

[coral ibex]

is BBP like a BBL

[past oracle]

Are people cleaving off the boss on bandit or switching to the adds

[balmy condor]

We are assa rogues, we don’t switch to anything

[past oracle]

Yea seems like a waste of time - switch and do even less damage on adds

[buoyant herald]

mmm we have a good reason not to switch, unlike some others who are stuck in tunnel city

[past oracle]

Yea I guess I need to write a summary statement to the guild about it as homework

[buoyant herald]

already done mate

[haughty flicker]

another one for the collection

i havent been yelled at about it yet but i can feel it coming

considering i was the only person not in any of the jails lmao

[weary spear]

for mugzee do you stay outside the jails to cleave off mugzee?

[haughty flicker]

ideally yes

you'll do both more damage to the adds and more boss damage

its a win/win

[split veldt]

the packs in cinderbrew be wild

https://tenor.com/view/wut-shocked-eye-pop-big-eyes-gif-6727534075271548684

[haughty flicker]

bro this shaman was casting chain lightning on first boss dfc

what a filthy padder

[fresh kelp]

if he was stormbringer last season it was a prio gain on 5 targets to chain lightning over lb due to lightning rod

[haughty flicker]

he did lowest boss damage

so if it helped it wasnt by much

[fresh kelp]

ah yea disgusting padder

[balmy condor]

This is just my excuse when I’m pressing CT constantly

[fresh kelp]

based

[haughty flicker]

no its ok when we do that

just not when other classes pad

[forest minnow]

Evening everyone, had a rough night of prog and felt like I was hitting like a wet noodle. Whats the current stat thresholds we should be shooting for? I understand the priorities, but the actual values I should be aiming towards

[golden loom]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[golden loom]

happy friday btw best day of the week lfg

[static glacier]

Bit of a giga late response but I find rup + gar on the target NOT being focused is value, since it does need to die and takes a while to do so

[balmy condor]

Sure if it lasts like 8 seconds then it’s a minor gain

[static glacier]

Lasts like 15-25

And let’s you have more energy to blast boss while the prio adds are being cleaved

[haughty flicker]

add thats not focused on bandit takes like 40 seconds to die on our pulls

[forest minnow]

Thank you kindly!

[static glacier]

Ngl though, I pray by the time I’m on bandit mythic we get some tuning to make us somewhat comparable to sub on that fight

(I’m coping, they won’t ever make us able to deal with adds like sub or OL)

[haughty flicker]

completely ethical damage in this dfc

no pad here

oh it didnt even show overall wtf

details tricked me

this is like the 5th stupid ass thing ive done in discord today

impressive even for my standards

[static glacier]

Anyone else finding the new 4pc absolutely cranking some pulls?

Out of nowhere doing like 10m+ dps

[golden loom]

dont have it so nope

[balmy condor]

Yeah but you spent that energy and combo points on a rupture to get energy back to put back into the boss

[haughty flicker]

imagine having 4p anyway

[static glacier]

It’s less boss damage but more overall I’m fairly sure

[balmy condor]

Well yeah but didn’t you just say it’s for more boss fam

[static glacier]

As in it gives you more energy to hit the boss when it’s stacked onto the adds that are cleaved

Since you spread dots to the low prio add right when they spawn, tanks take a while to get it on top of the cleave adds

[haughty flicker]

just hit boss 4head

[static glacier]

I’m trading an env and global onto the boss that’s alone for rup and gar on low prio add + some energy for the next 20s

[balmy condor]

I mean yes you’re correct but we’re getting a bit convoluted

[static glacier]

It also gives me a defence when they ask for more add dmg

Xddddddd

“I dotted the add”

[balmy condor]

That’s the real gain

[static glacier]

Right? I have 5pc with myth hands

Idk why I got the hands over the devoker with 0 pc but can’t complain

[haughty flicker]

still havent seen a single pair of gloves

ive started just farming dfc perma since its fast and drops gloves

still nothing

[static glacier]

Still using 626 skardyns

[polar rampart]

we just run house of cards and pretend its 2 mins and be happy right?

[runic hinge]

yeah just macro to dm

[polar rampart]

yay, i just stole it from the raid i was in, lol'

thematic rogue gameplay

[peak bobcat]

Who cares if I’m doing tank damage to the adds when I’m fucking the boss?

Someone else’s job

[wet dagger]

Did the 4p change get pushed through with season launch and its just a tooltip error or was it completely disregarded?

[opaque pebble]

the double bleeds during death mark.. do we have to apply them during death mark or does it just copy any bleeds on the target?

[runic hinge]

real

[runic hinge]

tooltip error

[peak bobcat]

Copies all current and any you put on during

So you want to have full bleeds up before pressing

[opaque pebble]

ok thanks!

[hot pasture]

the 4 piece tier set is a meme

[peak bobcat]

It’s one of the tier sets of all time

[static glacier]

15k for the trinket, finally

[haughty flicker]

hell yeah

i also got something nice

they dont look nice but now i finally can replace my 619 gloves lmao

now i need to farm 10s for gloves so i can upgrade it though so gg

[opaque pebble]

just picked up assass, seems that once our 2 charges of vanish are used the rotation just becomes real simple on ST. just maintaining bleeds and mutilate and envenom?

[static glacier]

Yeah pretty much

You can try and optimise stuff like is mentioned in pins but it does really boil down to the basics

[lethal slate]

I did a run of PSF and someone paid my friend 200k gold for that trink

[eternal haven]

Anyone got any ideas why my envenom damage seems to be so low? Feel like I must be missing something obvious but I'm banging my head against a wall with it. Uptime could be better but hit/crit damage seems really low or is it just a gear issue?

me - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qhm6VfATYzNyXFKg?fight=37&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Separate%24rgb(78%25%2C+61%25%2C+43%25)%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24105189379.0.0.Rogue%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%2432645&source=12

top parsing rogue at my ilvl - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VabHYQ8ARknvP9rK?fight=41&type=damage-done&source=3&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24239611804.0.0.Rogue%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24-32645

[subtle tundra]

you linked a private log

[eternal haven]

fml one sec

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qhm6VfATYzNyXFKg?fight=37&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Separate%24%23909049%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24105189379.0.0.Rogue%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24-32645&source=12

[subtle tundra]

going forced induction will probably increase your envenom damage quite a bit

your gear is just quite bad

low ilvl

youre missing sockets on a ring, have cursed haste enchant(?), you have dogshit fucking trinkets

what are those

like what are those

its not a rethorical question

[eternal haven]

first on my list to sort the trinkets, not having much luck. will try the change in talents. thanks

[manic sphinx]

If I go wowhead bleed build, but want to take ironwire, what's good to drop?

[golden loom]

you seem to cast wayyy too few shivs also

[golden loom]

master assassin is a decent drop

[manic sphinx]

Perfect, ty 👍

[subtle tundra]

yeah no 2nd shiv in first dm

also swapping away from boss is really really bad

[golden loom]

5 casts of kingsbane and 6 shiv casts

[subtle tundra]

he is targeting adds

thats reaaaaallllllyyyyyyyyy bad for assa dmg

[red schooner]

No swap only funnel

[golden loom]

yeah not running caustic on bandit is a bit

griefington

[subtle tundra]

he only uses 1 shiv in kb

[red schooner]

Ye I managed to get my RL to allow me to funnel and damage feels so much better

[subtle tundra]

wdym allow?

like what

you need permission to play your spec properly

@manic sphinx so a lot of your shit dmg is also hitting adds instead of boss, which has your hero talent mark

[lethal slate]

Papas putter and turbo drain

[red schooner]

He used to call people out for not hard swapping to adds, but ye, he didn't know how sin worked

So now he's good with funnel

[subtle tundra]

its not funnel 😭

its just hitting boss

[haughty flicker]

yeah you arent funneling you just go face hit boss

[grim jay]

Its cleaving

[red schooner]

I might not know the difference then

Cleaving, that works

Spattering

[grim jay]

Funnel is when you deal more dmg to one Mob because there are other mobs

[haughty flicker]

sinning

[red schooner]

Spattering is the term

[golden loom]

you are funneling singular focus damage onto the boss though by cleaving 🤓

[haughty flicker]

true

[subtle tundra]

funnel is getting more ST from having more targets

[haughty flicker]

that .2% goes hard af

[subtle tundra]

huge

[balmy condor]

There’s multiple paragraphs in the wowhead guide itself talking about swaps for this btw

Suggest reading it

[wild hound]

How's Assa feeling in raid? Thinking of coming back now for season 2, are we vibing?

[sharp viper]

depends on the fight but overall great

I prefer sub on rik reverb and mugzee

[wild hound]

Noice, that sounds promising :3

[red schooner]

Ye it's pretty solid, I'm vibing

[lunar briar]

overal which is better subt or Assa ?>

[buoyant herald]

pretty much the same tbh, each has a few fights they're better at

for whatever reason

[lunar briar]

on Singl trgt ? which is better statis

[runic hinge]

Sub sims higher

[buoyant herald]

uh oh here we go

[balmy condor]

On heroic sprocketmonger assa is 1.619 and sub is 1.616

Do with that what you please

[buoyant herald]

outlaw sims higher still

[runic hinge]

True but he didn’t ask about outlaw

[buoyant herald]

the point being that comparing sims between specs is kinda meaningless

[runic hinge]

I agree but I don’t think he was gonna care.

[buoyant herald]

hahaha you're probably right

[drifting cloud]

no im sure someone who copy pastes the question in both spec channels after tier has been out for 10 days is looking for insane insight

[balmy condor]

Dm him for dota 2 boost

[buoyant herald]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[drifting cloud]

@ebon notch

[runic hinge]

Like if I was rerolling a spec or class I’d probably be able to find resources to know how the spec was doing without asking some randoms in a discord. There’s a ton of easy to find info out there. And if I was so uninformed I didn’t know where to find it I’d probably just play what I wanted anyways

Like when I played feral Druid for 17 years

[drifting cloud]

ye like what if someone that is doing 2 shivs is answering your question, you cant know if you can trust their opinions

[runic hinge]

Probably can’t if they’re trying to shoehorn a talent into every build

[drifting cloud]

I will instead support whispyr and open the weekly wcl wowhead article

[balmy condor]

Based

[drifting cloud]

because logs would surely not lie to me

[buoyant herald]

i'd just refer them to both wowhead guides and suggest they pick the one they like the tone of better

[balmy condor]

I’m scared to open comments on that post btw

Those wowhead commenters are zoo creatures

[runic hinge]

Probably some slurs abut rogue players

[buoyant herald]

no way, it'll be vitriol aimed at something completely irrelevant to the article

that they've been stewing over since tbc

[balmy condor]

They have framed wowhead comments in the lizard exhibit at my local zoo

[runic hinge]

I bet it’s tank brann nerf complaints

[drifting cloud]

this just in: discord mod confirms the existance of lizard people

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

you wanna hear a banger

somebody was saying to me barely 1h ago in anotehr discord

the reason tank bran got nerfed is because of the RWF players farming delves for crests

im not even making this up

I tried to explain crests cap to them and how theyre a non issue for those players but I dont think I got the point across

[runic hinge]

Blizzard is fun police

They made it so I can’t solo underpin for t8 delve slots

[balmy condor]

Real

[quiet oar]

Whisp

[red schooner]

Can't even be mad at that outlaw needs some love

[buoyant herald]

the man does have a point

[quiet oar]

Is this ok to post? #wow-general message Or should i delete?

[buoyant herald]

outlaw needs god but not in raid

[balmy condor]

Probably fine it got fixed again and banned again

Would be one thing to be like hey exploit guide here go click

[quiet oar]

Ye

[balmy condor]

But that’s just like same vein as rextroy video

Except done by cringe shitheads

So yeah that’s okay

[quiet oar]

Its just funny

How they did it

[balmy condor]

Torghast again

[drifting cloud]

plunderstorm dive bomb

[balmy condor]

[quiet oar]

Torghast has a track record

for game breaking exploits

[drifting cloud]

its funny beacuse this happens probably every tier

[quiet oar]

But also

Just swimming up

to Gally

is so weird

[drifting cloud]

but you need 16 people in the raid as same guild to register as guild kill for achiev to pop

otherwise all you see are random chars on armory with fyrakk mythic kill before echo kills it

[quiet oar]

Ye

But im glad

Torghast wasnt only a torture for the players

But also for Blizzards QA team

[velvet vault]

can someone give me plater profile ?

[drifting cloud]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[gray pond]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[rotund oak]

bleed build so much fun

forgot how much i liked it

[subtle tundra]

WHATS SO FUN ABOUT IT???????????????

ITS THE SAME GAMEPLAY

AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

meow

[rotund oak]

idk,i think its the guilt of ditching IW for more dmg

😂

i do feel like sht,like in ML

the pulls feel so much dangerous with zaps hitting ppl

(also there is something wrong with healers,they dont heal)

[peak bobcat]

Pressing shiv at 25% and demise padding

[lost nexus]

Pvpers...
What do we think about kingsbane?
2v2
Approx 20% of assas play it
Good in matchups where you don't need to cleave garrote a pet for energy?

[warm vortex]

Go to PVP channel

We have like

mostly no idea how to pvp lol

At least most of the chat here is pve, sorry if it sounded rude

[lost nexus]

Sure, but this is the assa channel

[warm vortex]

I just feel like there would be a better answer in pvp

Understandble

[lost nexus]

I've posted there already

Dead as a dodo

[subtle tundra]

the people here dont know jack shit about pvp

[lost nexus]

You can't say that for certain

Maybe you don't

I have some hope

[subtle tundra]

i can, theres 1 or 2 people that know

and theyd answer on pvp

[lost nexus]

I still think this channel is a fine place to ask

If no one answers that's fine

[subtle tundra]

it is fine to ask, our answer will be to ask in pvp

which you already did

[lost nexus]

👍

[warm vortex]

Yeye

We aren't like saying it to get you our

Just cause, it's more likely in pvp people know

Most pvpers might be sleeping

Due to timezones

[hardy rapids]

I would go on Murlok.io and check their builds. Finding any info on PvP is always such a hassle nowadays

Click on the top players for assa and see what they’re currently running

[lost nexus]

That's exactly what I did

This is how I got the statistics

Just trying to work out which situation they're swapping into it

On target dummies it provides a significant single target burst

[hardy rapids]

Yeah assa is all about pressure in PvP from my experience

Kidney shot on dr reset is always insane pressure

Smoke bomb too

And since assa is a burst spec you want as much burst during that window as you can get

[lost nexus]

For sure it's big on pressure

As far as arena is concerned it doesn't burst much relative to other specs, but that's why I'm interested in kingsbane

Hopefully a way to play off of CC

[ebon notch]

Hello

[royal lantern]

Hey

[ebon notch]

UwU

[royal lantern]

UwU

[indigo ginkgo]

good damn 30k minus with a 2x 649 + 2x 436 set piece ! blizard reaaly needs to buffs this.. switcthing around 662 and up , its just WTF

[hollow river]

You gotta be patient man. But the answer to your question is that it doesn’t even matter

It’s personal preference

Pick something and run it

[hollow river]

Assa burst in pvp is like a limp noodle

[lost nexus]

I dunno, this seems wrong

No offense

Every talent has a place

I'm certain it's a matchup thing

[hollow river]

It isn’t

[lost nexus]

Ok, I'm open to what you think

I just had to be honest

[hollow river]

Kingsbane is very nerfed in pvp

You don’t NEED it in any match up ever

You can still run it if you want, it’s perfectly viable if you know how to play around it

But it is 100% personal preference

[lost nexus]

To me it seems like a pick to align a burst window with CC

If you aren't going to win with pad

[hollow river]

Assa doesn’t really have a “burst” window in pvp

Due to everything being so nerfed

Deathmark being so easy to deal with

Etc

[lost nexus]

If you run with a disc priest you can deal some OK damage during CC

That's why I'm investigating kingsbane

Just a little extra to maybe land a few more kills

[hollow river]

If you check the pins I have in #pvp

[lost nexus]

Sure

[hollow river]

The assa build there from last season takes supercharger and KB

You can run that if u want

But it’s just personal preference

[royal lantern]

wait, you do the pins there

[hollow river]

?

[rotund oak]

trickz got caught

[royal lantern]

i thought you just played a bit PvP

not that you do the PvP stuff there

im not a smart person

[red schooner]

same

[hollow river]

wtf

[hardy rapids]

[hollow river]

I’ve been doing it for like, years now

[rotund oak]

the man speaks the truth

[subtle tundra]

ok so whats the conclusion

do i run kingsbane or not

[rotund oak]

i like mayo alot more than any other sauce

[hardy rapids]

I wish it wasn’t so

[rotund oak]

sin is bleeding them out in pvp,if u want burst,even the nerfed sub is ahead of it

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-silly-monkeymoment-monkey-gorilla-gif-21261616

[rotund oak]

basicly if u want pvp go sub

[lost nexus]

All specs are viable in pvp

[subtle tundra]

dont you play CT in pvp? lol

shitty aaa spec

[rotund oak]

idk the highend yet,havent pushed

playing my mage now

[hollow river]

Ye

[lost nexus]

Sub usually get fucked over by nerfs

Too sad

[rotund oak]

sub isnt as strong as it was for sure(before reset it was rly dirty though)

[hardy dagger]

CT absolutely trucks in bgs

In arena dunno

[lost nexus]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but this is a lot of free damage

[rotund oak]

depends the arena

[lost nexus]

Kingsbane PvP dummy

[hollow river]

Pvp dummies aren’t properly set up

And 4m dmg

Over how ever many seconds

Is ass

[lost nexus]

I don't think so

But I didn't know that the dummies are broken

[rotund oak]

its 8 hits yo,u can pretty much calculate that 😛

[lost nexus]

That's like saying garrote is ass

It dealt the same damage

[hollow river]

We have had people go #1 in the world with either build man

So it’s really just up to you

[lost nexus]

👍

[royal lantern]

all that time AND with 100% uptime

which is less likely in pvp

[lost nexus]

I take it the dummies don't apply the correct PvP modifiers then

?

[hollow river]

Ye I’m just saying 4m over a dot duration is very easily healable dmg these days

[rotund oak]

yes

[rotund oak]

100%

[lost nexus]

That's a shame

[hollow river]

They are very random what pvp mods they have and don’t have, they also don’t have vers etc

[rotund oak]

yup whatever u hit is basicly minus the vers mitigation

among other stuff

[hollow river]

People just put too much stock into builds and stats these days

When it barely matters, same as pve

[lost nexus]

I think build matters the higher rating you are, margins for success are smaller

[rotund oak]

irrelevant but demo/destro or aff this season?

im thinking a lock experiment

[hollow river]

They just play slightly differently

[hollow river]

Aff

[hollow river]

You’d be surprised

[lost nexus]

Even if it only helps you win 5% more games against a specific matchup

That's valuable

[hollow river]

Just isn’t how it works these days

[lost nexus]

No?