assassination

[dawn pollen]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[noble kestrel]

Hello all if any purple or yellow rog assa would have some time in exchange of thankfulness ( or few golds) to look few minutes to my raid logs and explain me why I can not go ahead 50 of parse since the start of the extension.
I’d like to improve but I do not understand what I have to improve, and parse/ ilvl is always low.
My dms are open ty by advance
Logs : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/marecage-de-zangar/rabek?difficulty=4

[strange python]

If that stamina is what makes you kill a boss you might wanna reconsider healers

No sane raid lead would ever say something like that

[primal burrow]

Constant battle for tricks here and there. The true reason is we bear "assassin" in the name, we're not doing mechanics, we kill so we stay on bosses 👹. No ? Nice try

[strange python]

Theres a reason you gear dps > tanks/healers

You do what’s optimal for damage and what’s absolutely needed to survive

[subtle tundra]

your opener is wrong, read it on wowhead

[red schooner]

I just wanted to explain it to him cos just sat on boss is a bad look, makes you look like you're being lazy or trying to get a parse

[subtle tundra]

read up on shiv usage

[primal burrow]

And that's a good habit

I explained to mine too

[ionic hill]

do we go with a tier piece on our head

[subtle tundra]

i think youre missing rupture uptime on boss. make sure you NEVER drop your bleeds. never

[primal burrow]

But most tanks don't know how to play with melees really

[subtle tundra]

theres like nothing correct in this kingsbane usage

you didnt shiv at all anywhere close to that kb

you cant have 20 seconds of lost uptime

[primal burrow]

When I was main tanking top 10 world a long time ago in a far galaxy, I cared to optimize melee DPS the most

[subtle tundra]

and expect to do damage

[misty holly]

Bro you just said to keep rupture uptime and now you're complaining that he cast rupture.

[noble kestrel]

Thanks @subtle tundra for the tips !!

[subtle tundra]

i aint done

what is this
where is shiv.
what is that vanish
garrote and then 2 gcd later garrote

again. you cant just not press abilities

[red schooner]

[subtle tundra]

this is a lot of wrong

[noble kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[golden loom]

No poisoned knives atleast

[subtle tundra]

you dont know how to vanish and kb

meowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[left radish]

How much of each secondary stat should you have approximately? Not the %, but the raw numbers

[humble verge]

doesnt matter, just get whatever

[red schooner]

Whatever Sims best

[subtle tundra]

i like the many feint casts, probably many useless but good intentions

[humble verge]

but what matters is mastery crit

and also yeah, what sims the best

[subtle tundra]

also you didnt vanish at all in your opener

for some reason

[noble kestrel]

Yeah most of them are when I’m afraid x)

[subtle tundra]

you do get bonus points for not using poison knife at all

[autumn frost]

apparently bis tier would be every thing but chest. according tro wowhead

[subtle tundra]

i literally tanked all waves on hc and i was fine

i wasnt trying to dodge them

[red schooner]

Also I love it on boss pull when the boss just decides to smack you for no reason when you're sat near them in stealth

Thanks

I mean it's on me I need to be a bit further back

But still annoying

[left radish]

Alright, thanks! I thought there was like a gold standard or something like that, like at least 20k Mastery and at least 3k Haste or something, I don't know

[subtle tundra]

tldr: look up how youre supposed to use shiv and vanish with your cooldowns
make sure to never drop bleeds
make sure to hit the boss. yeah 3 seconds not hitting here and there cause of mechanics can be excuse, but not 20 seconds

[safe swift]

is the Mister Lock N stalk that bad of a trinket? according to bloodmallet, i find it on bosses ST is does good damage like 4-5% and on AoE like 2-3%

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[humble verge]

or he can just look at the guide rota, and anything outside of CD/opener is just maintaining 100% uptime on garrote, rupture and not losing envenom buff

wait

i am reading what you wrote

yeah i forget to read

[safe swift]

chest ? i thought like the head was our least best option

[royal lantern]

you play wow, ofc you cant read

[primal burrow]

Chest is BiS for sub at least, I play both spec contextually (and highly convinced that middle+ S2 assa will be higher)

[left radish]

Oh wow, that is then pretty complicated. Is there a simming guide? Normally my friend helps me with that, but if I did that alone, no clue where to begin and weigh the different stats

[subtle tundra]

there is no such thing as weighing stats

you sim and it tells you what gear is best

[subtle tundra]

oh no the wowhead bis list

[timid cradle]

https://gyazo.com/24c6cf2c13ff78ce7a889c4ef80a7b00
With this build, what target count do you FOK over ambush?

[primal burrow]

Get every piece and play rogue, not specs 😄

[red schooner]

Wasn't it something like there were 90 variations all simming within less than 0.2% of each other

[subtle tundra]

assa best spec, sub and outlaw losers

[red schooner]

So like, bis list, pointless

[safe swift]

yeah guess take what you get xD

[autumn frost]

it is why I said apparently

[red schooner]

Just sim, ignore list, chill

[primal burrow]

"Chest isn't BiS so I refused to take the hero part in vault"

[safe swift]

i took a mythic item over hero tier item

still running with no new tier set lol

old 4 set FTW

[primal burrow]

If you can afford even better ofc

[red schooner]

I got 6 trinkets on my vault, 5 of them were DPS losses

[royal lantern]

??? its the opposite of complicated lol

just eq higher ilvl

[safe swift]

lul

[royal lantern]

if same ilvl, sim

[red schooner]

Let me find my vault screenshot

[red schooner]

I got robbed

Mechanocore saved me

[sharp viper]

[safe swift]

jesus that is bad

[autumn frost]

shjould've worked harder in delves

[humble verge]

woxtoxic is an insane human

[autumn frost]

at least that mechano amplifier would've been better

[red schooner]

I did all 8s, vault caps at 8s for delves right?

[primal burrow]

army of trinkets

[autumn frost]

is that hero track mechano?

[red schooner]

Ye

[autumn frost]

it's a good trinket

[red schooner]

Hero track mechano saved that vault

[autumn frost]

And the highest it will good

go*

[red schooner]

Cos otherwise, it's so fucking cursed

[autumn frost]

man i got the wooting keyboard

[ionic hill]

isnt mechanocore amplifier bis?

[autumn frost]

and now i typo everything

[autumn frost]

theoretically, lol....

[red schooner]

Ye, it's solid

Simmed as the best increase

And it's not like I got anything I could catalyse

[ionic hill]

based delve trinket

[red schooner]

So I just went with that

[autumn frost]

trinkets are always such a pain

so if you can lock down that slot you are lucky

imo

[ionic hill]

true....tbf I still dont know what to replace my skardyn and spyglass with lol

[autumn frost]

especially earlier in the tier

do m0 floodgate

and get friends who can trade it

go straight to demolition duo

[peak bobcat]

m0 loot sucks

[autumn frost]

it's champion tier

[golden loom]

broo I got kicked out from rank 10 before it locked in my 99 parse

[ionic hill]

I guess seaforium is worth a grind

[golden loom]

[autumn frost]

but you can update it to 658 until you get a mythic version toi drop from the vaault

it's also only one boss with 4 friends who can trade it.

so high chance of getting it

[peak bobcat]

if youre waiting for mythic one in your vault that means you are doing 10s

which means just run floodgate and get a hero track one

[autumn frost]

i mean if you plan on committing crests?

but for now it literally takes 10 minutes for a much higher chance at one.

to tide you over for your myth or hero one.

like to get a hero one to drop, you'd have to run like 20 of them for a decent chance

and once a week you can get a champion one at high chance since loot always drops in a group of 5. When I did it 2 dropped

and it only took the time to get to that singular boss

didn't have to do the rest of the dungeon

[peak bobcat]

okay but champion loot sucks

and you have to commit runed crests

[autumn frost]

no you get hero ilvl to drop

that is higher in slot

and it only takes valor stones to upgrade

which you cap out on

so you get crappy higher ilvl trinkets

to drop from the 7/s and 8s

and once you lock the slot it's free to upgrade to that point

takes 0 more runed crests then hero gear

so no crests are wasted

[peak bobcat]

it takes 60 runed crests to upgrade champion gear to 658

or you could do the dungeon and get it to drop at 655 and spend 15 and have a better trinket?

[rotund oak]

yes champion gear is less efficient but ppl can start from somewhere and climb through them dungeons later

its not a big deal

well it is cost wise but u get the point

[autumn frost]

it costs 0 if you get 2 random other trinkets to drop at 655...

[peak bobcat]

why wouldnt you just run the dungeon that drops the trinket you need at 655

[autumn frost]

because you'd have to run 25 floodgates

as opposed to running 25 assortment of dungeons to get 2 random sh itty trinkets

which you'll just get to drop by doing keys in the first place

or from raid

and doing a m0 single boss once a week for 5 chances... while having a high chance for your specific t rinket to drop... is so much better.

you can still do floodgates keys aft erwards too

not to mention loot from that boss is guarenteed to drop

in a m0

[last moth]

Does anyone of you use an Makro for your 4 poisons ?

[gritty laurel]

yes, but i had to make a separate one for raid vs m+ to get atrophic and numbing to work properly

/castsequence reset=10 Crippling poison, Deadly Poison, Amplifying Poison, Numbing Poison```

[ionic hill]

this is in the overall bis list so just double checking to be sure

[royal lantern]

brother, Bis lists are a meme

[gritty laurel]

BIS list only matters if you have all of that exact gear at that exact ilvl, just sim

[royal lantern]

he literally puts random sim results in cus he MUST Do them, cus all the people that dont want to think ignore everything outside of some imaginary BiS

[ionic hill]

yeah aight just checking

[harsh wraith]

Quick question guys: dropped this last night on heroic track and i can see from the wowhea guide this trinket is not that bad. Should i just use it during the lingering darkness window, or on cd when i reach 30 stacks? Any tip will be appreciated, thx for your time 😄

[royal lantern]

why would you use it with lingering darkness

[harsh wraith]

i stepped on this comment in the trinket section on wowhead 😄

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor can you confirm that lol

[spice surge]

Yes

[royal lantern]

bruh blizz

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[subtle tundra]

my honest reaction

incompetence all the time from blizz!

(idc)

[dreamy jungle]

is there any guide on rotation for assa here ?

dont know how correct wowhead and icyveins are

[limber swallow]

the wowhead guide was written by Whispyr.... it's from here.

[limber oyster]

!wa

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[slow tulip]

can someone, please, TLDR explain to me where the difference between fuu's speadsheet BIS items and wowheads BIS items come from?

[spice surge]

Bis lists are made up

[hardy rapids]

The difference is they don’t matter and you just use raid bots

[spice surge]

Theres like 100 combinations that all sim the exact same, wowhead choose one of them and fuus guide choose another one

[slow tulip]

thx a lot, guys

[limber swallow]

my daylight savings brain read this and saw "they don't matter and you just raid with bots"

[hardy rapids]

Wake up eepy head

[severe meadow]

Time for school, wakey wakey

[limber swallow]

no, mom, I don wanna!

[dapper cradle]

Time to get milked pookie

Get in the goon chair

Haha sorry quake got my keyboard

[royal lantern]

fake

quake would not hide behind somebody else

[dawn heath]

does anyone know if i can put tier in bank and n eed roll on those items? i know it works on trinkets etc

[dense cargo]

hello friends, i'm trying to understand the rotation for assassin (haven't played rogue since legion), why do we use two ruptures in sequence here?

[versed bronze]

it spreads poisons

[red schooner]

For aoe it just slams out ruptures

[versed bronze]

so you can get the agility buff and energy back

[dense cargo]

do I switch target for the second rupture or no?

[red schooner]

Rupture 1 generates combo points due to serrated bone spike

[versed bronze]

if 6 targets then switch

[red schooner]

You can technically, it's optimal

[versed bronze]

if 5 targets then you dont have to

[red schooner]

But not entirely necessary

[dense cargo]

i see, thanks!

[red schooner]

There's a bit command explaining it

And I forget what it is

[versed bronze]

but you only need 5 to get the max agility buff

from Scent of Blood

[dense cargo]

btw, for AoE I also want to use rupture at 5+ combo points?

[limber swallow]

yes. With the exception of darkest night, you always finish 5+.

[dense cargo]

ty!

[royal lantern]

thats not true wtf

you ignore super charged @dense cargo

you dont play around it

its literally only darkest night

[soft surge]

makes assa playable in dungeons

[limber swallow]

I'm happy to admit I'm wrong and be corrected so no need to "wtf" me.

Are you saying that if you have 2 supercharged combo points, and 1 point active you just ignore it and keep building to 5+?

[spice surge]

Yes

[royal lantern]

yes

[spice spire]

Yes

[soft surge]

use a weak aura that doesnt even track supercharged points and its not an issue

[spice spire]

[limber swallow]

Fuck.. it's +2.... yuck, I'm stuck in shadowlands

[dense cargo]

I asked because I thought I would make a weakaura that would glow rupture's icon borders only at 5+ combo points

[spice surge]

Well you always use your finishers at 5+

Nothing special about rupture

[onyx linden]

lol it hasn't been like the old reprimand cps for a while now

[limber swallow]

yea, but I stopped playing at the end of S1 DF... and I was playing outlaw in DF

[royal lantern]

outlaw

https://tenor.com/view/roasted-spongebob-coffin-gif-5703731

i dont make the rules

[limber swallow]

It's fine. I deserve my fate!

[red schooner]

he just rigourously enforces them with great glee

[spice spire]

He’s just like me

[visual sun]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[teal vector]

!wa

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[manic sphinx]

fml man. Rolled 100 on House of Cards Heroic

Then someone else did too, and I lose the Tie 😦

[dreamy jungle]

so many ppl rolling 100s

seems rigged

had a raid where on every boss 1 person at least rolled 100

thats pretty unlikely

[hardy rapids]

Wakey wakey! Time for draining!

[hallow imp]

do we have a WA for tierset?

[deep gyro]

I’m sorry friend

[royal lantern]

why would you want that

[hallow imp]

are we not playing arround it? XD

[nova aspen]

nope

[royal lantern]

its a random proc, how do yo play around that

[normal mist]

Yellow name detected

Gamble addiction

[nova aspen]

i feel like 90% of all questions asked here can be answered via the 2-3 most recent pins

[normal mist]

Basically yeah

[red schooner]

Are the other 10% answered by 'sim it'

[nova aspen]

[spice spire]

Or a log review or read the guide

That’s every question

Speaking of I was not awake at 4 am
Did all of your questions get answered by uwucutegirl (my goat) if not glad to review it

[red schooner]

All these questions when we could be garfing

[earnest remnant]

or you being downbad

[red schooner]

[spice spire]

I really think I’m getting psyop’d here

I’m not even top 5 in this server

Yet I’m scapegoated constantly

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

Whispyr somnius and stormvine exist!

[rotund oak]

Whispyr cat also exists

[marble hemlock]

id say you are

maybe not top 3 but

definitely top5

who do you have as your top 5 if youre not in it?

[dapper cradle]

comparing me to you

unbelievable gaslight

[spice spire]

You

[pastel cradle]

do we scale in dps against ret pallys at higher keys like +12 and so on?

[spice spire]

#assassination message

?

[marble hemlock]

well yeah obviously

but who else

and am i topping?

[spice spire]

Three above

[marble hemlock]

cuz you know i aint bottoming

[rotund oak]

as in do we scale better than ret paladins as the key lvl increases?

[spice spire]

You’ve never topped a day in ur life king

[pastel cradle]

yes

@rotund oak

[dapper cradle]

[marble hemlock]

topped your dad last night buddy

[spice spire]

Ik that’s false because he worked 11 pm Tuesday - 1 am this morning pal

Get awakened

[marble hemlock]

why you think he was so exhausted when he came back home and had a limp?

[spice spire]

Because he was delivering bread for 25 hours

[spice spire]

Ya dope

[dapper cradle]

"i'm not that bad"

[marble hemlock]

i delivered some baguette thats for sure

[spice spire]

I didn’t say I’m not that bad

[marble hemlock]

man loves his breadsticks

[spice spire]

I said I’m not quite on the top 5 level

[rotund oak]

Well the more the mobs live the more value we get out of our bleeds,scaling is kinda complicated but normally we should be better

[dapper cradle]

"not even top 5"

[spice spire]

Yet people act like I’m the worst

[dapper cradle]

bro is the certified Sin DILF

[pastel cradle]

@rotund oak I see, because at 10 i dont think its possible to beat a ret in dps. Things seem to die too fast

[marble hemlock]

quake secretly loves it

[dapper cradle]

down horrendous

[marble hemlock]

hes such a brat

[dapper cradle]

bratty little boy needs to be disciplined

[marble hemlock]

us always teasing him with how down bad he is and he blushes, tips his pointers against one another and goes "w-what are you saying :c"

[gusty mirage]

Maybe if you don’t like the criticism (you do that’s your kink don’t lie), you should change your behavior?

[rotund oak]

depends the group but ye,if u wanna beat rets in lower keys u either need some accelerated openers/gear or just play sub and blow up everything before divinestorm bots can rly do anything

[spice spire]

Mf I’m serious like

Half the time

[dapper cradle]

Quake sheepishly pulling out his girlfriend's high heels

[spice spire]

That’s improvement pal

[dapper cradle]

so she can breakdance all over his balls

[marble hemlock]

seriosuly down bad?

[spice spire]

Single btw

[red schooner]

He does good log reviews we can give him that

[gusty mirage]

It’s the byproduct of the log reviews tbh

[dapper cradle]

i got a log for him to review

[marble hemlock]

he can review a log, alright

[gusty mirage]

Man’s lost it

[spice spire]

Honestly not really I’m good

[spice spire]

True

[red schooner]

Heyoooo

[spice spire]

Df broke me

[marble hemlock]

like i broke your dads back?

[dapper cradle]

DF = daddy's fingers

[royal lantern]

i love ingame tooltips

[gusty mirage]

You leave papa quake alone

[marble hemlock]

no i wont, he loves the company

[spice spire]

Yeah he’s on his way to Georgia rn for a funeral

[frigid reef]

Hi, new here its the Dungeon Slice SIM the right one for m+?

[marble hemlock]

[golden loom]

6 secret seconds

[spice spire]

He’s

[marble hemlock]

that sucks, my condolences

[spice spire]

He’s

Yes

[gusty mirage]

Si

[spice spire]

Yes

Fuck

Seli got me acting up

[frigid reef]

TY!

[gusty mirage]

Dungeon slice is great and well maintained for all 3 rogue specs

[marble hemlock]

quake getting all flustered and blushing because of me

:3

[gusty mirage]

Seek help

[spice spire]

Dog that’s what I’m saying

[gusty mirage]

Quake living rent free in all your heads

[marble hemlock]

ye he does

[golden loom]

whos quake

[gusty mirage]

Meanwhile he’s living on my bed rent free

[rotund oak]

sacrilege

[golden loom]

all I know is big Arthur

[rotund oak]

u never left mine

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/wombat-cute-smelly-boy-gif-25537705

[runic hinge]

Live in the woods and only have Starlink as an option

[spice spire]

Been telling you for months dog

[gleaming geyser]

Anyone else's raid team getting over 15 venerated tier tokens and literally 2 Zenith and 1 Dreadful? our DKs are in shambles

[onyx crane]

so been trying the double vanish build in a key

and is it normal that it's st dps is kinda lacking?

[haughty flicker]

thats just sin in general

[severe meadow]

That’s just sin in m+

[haughty flicker]

i think we've gotten one dreadful too but swap venerated and zenith lmao

[spice spire]

It’s been all dreadful for us

[gleaming geyser]

pun intended

[rotund oak]

topography is still a factor though,for every type of net/communication 😉

woods or desert or city,a mountain or a slope will be a limiting factor for any type

[runic hinge]

I mean there just isn’t wires. It’s satellite or nothing

[rotund oak]

yes satelites still signal waves

those hit surfaces

snell's law etc

[gusty mirage]

Stop using big words

wtf

[runic hinge]

I’m not saying it should be faster I’m just saying I can’t use anything else lol

[rotund oak]

same here,im using satelite

jsut mentioning that it isnt always the better choice

[gusty mirage]

Have you tried uprooting your entire life and moving to a city?

Boot strap it up BUD

[runic hinge]

Living in the woods is much more pleasant

[rotund oak]

with all the bears and wolves n stuff

😂

[plush iris]

On st i was recommened to bind my tea to my shiv from some other rogue. Is it worth it?

I just kinda feel like using 2 teas for mastery on st seems like ab it of a waste when we starve like wdo

[spice spire]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice spire]

Big thing is getting tea usage when you need it

[runic basin]

are the WF raider playing sub because of survivability?

[plush iris]

ye ig ur right

[rotund oak]

ye sub should also do more dmg

especially in coordinated groups

sub is generally stronger

than sin

[weary spear]

I hit it manually cuz it feels better but probably doesn’t actually increase my dps lol

[runic basin]

i dont think tha tsub is stronger compared to sin in raid tbf..i guess its a survive thing

[rotund oak]

idk do u RWF?

[runic basin]

lol no

[rotund oak]

thought so

[swift bluff]

Amorphous simming really well for anyone?

[runic basin]

are you a wf raider? uptime is also a point where assa is way better..

[rotund oak]

if it comes down to uptime outlaw is better than both then

but no,its the on demand dmg

also its rly early to deterministically say who's better

right now,sub looks stronger,sin always more reliable

completely diff things

[runic basin]

agree

[nova aspen]

world first raiders dont have anything to go by, no logs or anything

only what sims highest

they played sub on first boss

but in heinsight, sin would've been better

[empty flame]

!wa

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[haughty flicker]

maybe

but the other side of that is who cares whats best for first boss

[empty flame]

What WA should i try

[nova aspen]

yes im just giving an example

[haughty flicker]

ye thats fair

[nova aspen]

they also just deleted rogue completely for stix

[haughty flicker]

exile was right to bench himself

that shit wouldve been so ass to play

actual 5head move

[nova aspen]

yup

[runic hinge]

Yeha. Fight seems pretty wack on mythic

[nova aspen]

i take this back, they had whatever they could do on ptr

[spice spire]

Damage profile also matters a lot in rwf

[nova aspen]

but long damage amp seems to favor sin more

[spice spire]

Sub’s burst windows likely matter

[midnight atlas]

they brought a rogue for atrophic poison lol

[spice spire]

It just raw damage were it, a lot of fights would have outlaw on them. But burst is a big deal to get through phases

Last tier+

[hardy rapids]

Whispyr’s afenar edit is goated

[empty flame]

Thank you i will try that hate the one i use now

[hardy rapids]

It has a little bar on the side that shows your indiscriminate carnage timer

And highlights important stuff

[royal lantern]

its always funny that so many people are shocked that "they brought X class?????"

when raids are literally balanced and desinged around having every class 1x in your raid

[spice spire]

Counterpoint you can literally balance my balls on ur chin

Sorry you didn’t deserve that king

[earnest remnant]

[spice spire]

Dog do you just hate watch me specific

Or

[haughty flicker]

me when i sim enchants as sin

[hardy rapids]

[spice spire]

I said what I said?

[earnest remnant]

purely coincidence

[hardy rapids]

Can we kiss again

My fault

[spice spire]

Always bbgirl

[rotund oak]

[hardy rapids]

[balmy condor]

Wdym can I confirm that I wrote it in the damn guide didn’t I

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[inland dirge]

one of those good problems I keep hearing about

[weak anvil]

Should i drop 4set for 2+2

[balmy condor]

If it sins higher yeah

[runic hinge]

oh I'm always sinning higher

[rotund oak]

yo the grammar nazi

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[vestal cliff]

can we immune the soak on mugzee with cloak?

[balmy condor]

Both, yes

[weak anvil]

was hoping for a non sim asnwer tbh

Cuz rushing to make the gilded dagger before raid

Is a split char anyhow soo i dont rlly care that much about it beside this

[balmy condor]

I flipped a coin and it said tails

So I guess you’re equipping the new 2 piece

[weak anvil]

ty tony

[balmy condor]

Kinda rough to give a non sim answer to something that’s just math

[weak anvil]

you did hella sims fo sure

[haughty flicker]

wait i have the perfect thing for this

[weak anvil]

could know the answer for it

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

I could not

Idk how much of a rat your character is

What ilvl the old set is

Or the new set

[balmy condor]

Idk if you were even talking about raid

Or m+

Or PvP for that matter

[remote grail]

I played very little at the start of the expansion, did like 5~8 m+, and I'm coming back now, did a lot changed for assa? I saw they removed the animacharged button, but nothing major, right?

[weak anvil]

raid

Mentioned it beign a split char

[balmy condor]

I can’t just pull shit out the air like Houdini

Yeah after I said sim sure

[balmy condor]

They removed like 3 buttons otherwise it’s the same

[cerulean walrus]

Whispyr wtf bro answer their question

Unbelievable

You’re the magic numbers man

[severe meadow]

Simply import all of their data and sim for them

[royal lantern]

they said comments

ffs

[weak anvil]

Was more going by logic you for sure did hella sims and saw hella sims soo you cna make a honest answer for it

[royal lantern]

i expected the rare 3seconds of "wowhead comments are usefull" there

[weak anvil]

w/o siming

[cerulean walrus]

[severe meadow]

He would need to know ilvl of stuff

[haughty flicker]

[cerulean walrus]

Bro does not get it

[balmy condor]

Yeah, the trinket comments that are included on the trinket tier list

[severe meadow]

Or you could just look at the pins which would instantly answer your question

[royal lantern]

idk how the tierlist page is build

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/milj-milk-skill-issue-spill-issue-spill-gif-25572474

[royal lantern]

cus im not a tierlist monkey

[balmy condor]

I mean it wouldn’t even do that

The problem with just look at pins is I’m gettin DMs constantly about “but whispyr you said tier 2pc good and I sim and bad”

[severe meadow]

Well it's a split character so he doesn't need to sim

[haughty flicker]

why are some people so against just simming their character and insist someone tell them what to do

like not even flaming i want to understand it

because so many people do it lmao

[weak anvil]

exactly even tho y said it sarcasticly

[balmy condor]

“But whispyr you said 662 for 4pc and I sim 661.5 and upgrade so I wear?”

[severe meadow]

Idk how you do it, honestly

[balmy condor]

I don’t

I just scream

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah I’m holding him hostage atm

(I’m comcast)

[severe meadow]

I lost both my 99s from last night, I'm crashing out

[cerulean walrus]

L bozo

Washed

[severe meadow]

I will simply run it back

Next week

[soft surge]

what the hel is this

[cerulean walrus]

Stat weights

[gilded oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/thebongocat-the-bongo-cat-bongo-cat-bongo-bongosolana-gif-6364132309558027102

[hallow imp]

are main stat for assa crit then mastery?

[fallow canopy]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hallow imp]

lol thanks

[split willow]

Wait if it’s not important than why does everybody constantly talk about wrong stat weights

[runic hinge]

theyre stuck in the past

gear is a lot more varied now and you can have a lot more combos that fit together and do the same damage, getting hung up on one set of gear or one set of stats is outdated in retail

assa also doesn't hate any stats

[balmy condor]

[fallow canopy]

We all have our hobbies bud

[floral glade]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice surge]

Main difference really is that its very easy to just sim your own character now. Back in the day it was fairly complicated so stat weights were used as approximations for non-theorycrafters

[split willow]

I get it and I sim everything. But so many players are just out there being wrong

[runic hinge]

M+ also just provides a lot more options for gear that didn't exist back in the day, your bis was just gonna be whatever dropped highest ilvl from the raid

[split willow]

To be fair the people claiming their dps is bad because of stat weights are the same hunters/rets that just die to swirlies

[spice surge]

Ye how you play is significantly more impactful than your stat distribution

[rotund oak]

there are couple of specs that cant funciton properly with bad stats coz there are breakpoints

but totally agree^^

like e.g frostmage stacks haste and some crit,fire used to stack mast/vers coz combust windows matter

playing fire on frost gear was trolling

[onyx crane]

I was just wondering if someone can have too much mastery

sitting at 65%

[runic hinge]

whats your sim say

[unborn wharf]

personally i max out mastery as hard as I can than swap to outlaw for main gauce value

[onyx crane]

eh it does say now I kinda need some crit

[unborn wharf]

we thinking with portals

[fervent badge]

what better 2x radiantpower or 2x deept for raid/m+

[runic hinge]

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/rapture-rapture-me-now-lord-gif-12763495

[rotund oak]

a seal uwu

[jaunty kayak]

when im assigned first into prison on mugzee HC , is it worth to send CDs on pull ?

[loud trench]

at what point are we going to 4 piece vs 2+2

just when sim says so?

[thin gyro]

I'm finding that S2 4-piece tier bonus sims very weak compared to 2-2? Is that normal?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[balmy condor]

Pins

[balmy condor]

You can technically do more add damage by not soaking

But yes you should still hit CDs on pull

[golden loom]

You tell that raid leader of yours that you are not meant for prison

[thin gyro]

Bummer. Think they will buff 4-piece?

[balmy condor]

No

[nova aspen]

[thin gyro]

So do we expect to see sin rogues run 2-2 this whole season then?

[balmy condor]

No?

4 piece is better with max hero track tier

Like the pin says

How is that the whole season

[thin gyro]

👍

[jaunty kayak]

i wish .. well, Imma just not go there

[golden loom]

I mean just tell your raid leader that it makes your cds better and you spatter both prisons adds and it does more than you ever would in prison without a hero talent

[nova aspen]

i do prison just fine, hold vanish just incase u lose the mark

still parse orange

i do 2nd and 4th prison*

1st prison is fucked

mid dm window

[golden loom]

Idk think the correct play is always to stay out

[balmy condor]

[jaunty kayak]

well we place the prisons in Narnia away from boss so

[balmy condor]

Dude what

[jaunty kayak]

cant spatter

[golden loom]

Well idk tell the tanks to place the boss like humans then

Not your issue

[balmy condor]

We are making these jails so complicated holy hell holding vanish for an add that dies in 4 seconds

Just when i thought I’ve seen it all

[nova aspen]

not my jails

[jaunty kayak]

our RL is scared that the boss would end up in prison by accident when its that close

[nova aspen]

[golden loom]

But they can move the boss after prisons have gone out?

[nova aspen]

idk im not gonna argue with my RL in heroic

for what might be a minimal gain

[golden loom]

Idk maybe raid leaders just hate dps players

[balmy condor]

I think it’s more likely that raid leaders are just idiots

[golden loom]

Glad my raid lead just said "makes sense 👍 "

[nova aspen]

the day he tells me to swap to the add on bandit tho

that'll be the day

[golden loom]

Even got the sub rogue out of prison, but im not sure nimble flurry hits?

[nova aspen]

where i do more damage to adds thru spatter than i would targeting them

[golden loom]

Hmm that sounds exactly like mugzee

[nova aspen]

the adds arent surrounded by a prison in bandit

[golden loom]

The really need to lock him up, a real bandit that guy

[nova aspen]

but my group tanks him in africa

away from prisons

so that dream is toast

but hey its heroic so whatever, meaningless in a month anyway

[idle inlet]

is there any thought that goes into seaforium pacemaker or is it just a brain off trinket

[golden loom]

Its a passive trinket

Not much to do there

[dawn heath]

ill take it

[brave comet]

how should i be padding on the first boss of the raid

do i focus on the boss

or should i chase ads?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[dawn heath]

yes

[balmy condor]

No

[dawn heath]

sit boss

[balmy condor]

Caustic

[severe sparrow]

[brave comet]

thank you!

[balmy condor]

You never chase adds

You’re an assa rogue

[dawn heath]

i kinda just gapped

i just did the boss

xD

[brave comet]

even on reverb @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Yes

You simply do not have time to move the mark and then rupture the adds and then apply caustic and then get envenoming

Fuck all that

You sit boss and caustic does the work

[golden loom]

If I am close to the adds I might throw out like a 2 point rupture

Thats all they're getting from me

[golden roost]

Wait wouldn’t you just switch to sub for Rick? Adds are pretty important to blow up.

[runic hinge]

because your ramp time is long and your damage without switching your mark is bad

[balmy condor]

He said swap sub

[runic hinge]

0h

well I aint doing that

[balmy condor]

Cause he’s assuming i give enough of a shit to play a different spec for that

[golden loom]

Swap outlaw so you can pistol shot rick in intermission KAPOW

[runic hinge]

let classes with burst aoe do that and me sit boss

[severe sparrow]

are more of the better rogues going sub these days, making it easier for my ass to parse well, or did i just put more effort in early season than i usually do and it's paying off

[runic hinge]

both

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/124169701881282560/1110305168328765440/6an3o7.gif

[golden loom]

Tony Noshivs

[pure moth]

We don't swap specs in this channel. Spatter go brrr

[fallow canopy]

We started prog on rik yesterday and hard swapping to adds made my soul shiver

[marble hemlock]

okay so serious question. when you stand next to boss in stealth and someone prepulls so the boss hits you and breaks your stealth and you have to vanish to even have a hero talent...

why is the person prepulling a boomkin in like 99% of cases?

[golden loom]

It happend way to often for me on bloodbound that now I just stay a bit futher away

[buoyant herald]

in a vacuum sure, you'd go sub to help, but in reality every other dps on your raid is cooking up ways to pads them best and explode them and even as sub, unless your a god with your timing, they're still going to be gone before you do much

[buoyant herald]

their opener involves casting a wrath at like t-3 seconds because it has crazy travel time

[sharp vault]

I just shadowstep these days

[buoyant herald]

but because they're boomies they're not very smart and counting is hard

so they cast too early

[royal lantern]

in all my years of Raiding, i can count on 1 finger how often i felt the need to swap specs to manage a dps requirment

[golden loom]

Now thats a way to fuck it up harder

[bright turret]

reverb easy enough after nerfs/this week's gear gain to get away with not swapping to sub

just yell at tank to drag boss to adds for you

[buoyant herald]

tank should be doing that anyway tbh

like its objectively better for the raid

in another week or so passive cleave from the boss will be cleaning them up anyway

[waxen oyster]

Mistake here is seli expects boomkin players to have an iq.

Higher than room temp

[bright turret]

the adds are so RNG that it will always be mildly annoying

[upper wraith]

Parses got me thinking I should just quit the game

[bright turret]

you can have 4 near boss...sometimes only 2

[waxen oyster]

Like idk why that spec draws people dumb as bricks

[grim jay]

Did you ever tho

[golden loom]

Look at it as a reason to keep playing, get those numbers up king 🔥

[waxen oyster]

Can we bring back bosses like fyrak?

I miss seeing boomkins die on pull.

[bright turret]

gotta be nicer to boomkins this tier, need them for mythic stix

[royal lantern]

there was 2 times where i was forced to swap specs

Ghuun Mythic cus i had to do Orbs and needed double shadowstep/vanish+sstrike for mobility

and on SL launch cus assa was literally not playable

[waxen oyster]

No you dont

[royal lantern]

fuck no

[waxen oyster]

Only less respectable spec is aug

[royal lantern]

those animals dont deserve any respect

[bright turret]

rude, they work very hard to innervate the healers

[waxen oyster]

cant ferals do that

[grim jay]

SL launch is a fair point. Think I was unwillingly swapping there aswell

[bright turret]

feral triggers me

why does rake have 0 CD and garrote still has 6 second CD in 2025

[waxen oyster]

Doesnt rake have a stun

due to pvp pauls

[bright turret]

think it works a little different from stealth for them

[waxen oyster]

Real question is why do caster players think 1s-2s delay on opener matters

to risk early pulling with precast

[golden loom]

I mean its deffo worth for them

[waxen oyster]

wrath hits like a wet noodle

[golden loom]

Like the little I played of arcane there was a bunch of prepull stuff

[bright turret]

some people just wanna minmax that extra .2%

[golden loom]

Like evo 4 sec before pull, mirror images, arcane surge touch of the magi idk buttons

[waxen oyster]

I’ve never seen an arcane mage early pull

its usually frost

[royal lantern]

cus arcane mages are not stupid apes like boomkins

[waxen oyster]

I think only boomies i’ve seen with brains

are offspec players

[humble verge]

😎 wya @balmy condor

[severe sparrow]

i dont think ive seen a boomie in tww

at all

[humble verge]

well he got r100 first week

[balmy condor]

Haven’t had internet for 2 days

[humble verge]

actually beter

sadge

[humble verge]

how

[spice spire]

Comcast

Man is going through it rn

[humble verge]

average american ISP

[balmy condor]

I peaked like r65 I think week 1

[humble verge]

giga gamer

idk how much all 12s would

maybe ill reach page 1

[balmy condor]

Probably

[humble verge]

yeah

looks like it atleast

damn

not a lot of people have managed 12 prio

but honestly, its the worst 12 key

[golden loom]

Timed a +10 darkflame cleft with 21 deaths today with 3 seconds to spare

[humble verge]

average cleft

honestly, them making rookery harder by deleting 2 minutes off the timer is good for m+

atleast for the top

[golden loom]

Cleft is so weird

Like blazikon is for sure the hardest part right?

[royal lantern]

shit dungeon, generous timer

[humble verge]

blazikon

the boss?

[royal lantern]

yep, cs people dont know the fight

they either dont blow out any candles

[humble verge]

WAIT

[royal lantern]

or all of them

[humble verge]

HES ACTUALLY CALLED BLAZIKON

WHAT

[royal lantern]

yes

[humble verge]

man

[balmy condor]

[humble verge]

Blazikon just not Blaziken

[royal lantern]

with randoms it is

[humble verge]

blaziken my gamer

[golden loom]

Idk everything else just feels easy

[balmy condor]

Did the nerf the creepers?

[royal lantern]

cus again, they do candles like shit

[humble verge]

idk

candle king is just annoying

[balmy condor]

The third boss heal check is way harder

[humble verge]

i feel blazikon is piss easy

yeah

[balmy condor]

And the cart/trash at the end is super brutal

[humble verge]

idk nrly

felt ok

but candle king is the worst imo

[balmy condor]

Wdym not really the fucking dot the creeper puts out will one shot the tank if you don’t hold CDs and giga fuck them

[humble verge]

im not the healer

🧌 face

i do push cds into them tho

dw

[cyan dew]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[golden loom]

Only done two 10s on it so very small sample size but both times Blazikon was close to ending the runs, and candel king + creepers were a cakewalk

[balmy condor]

You got idiots in your group for sure

There ain’t no way

[humble verge]

hold feint/evasion or cloak for every of the dots

and knockback

and youre fine

[golden loom]

Yeah I was not dying

[humble verge]

like

[golden loom]

[humble verge]

yeye

ofc

then why are you complaining

you cant complain for other people smh

[golden loom]

Cause I cant solo the boss

[balmy condor]

We did the last 20% of that boss with no healer on Tuesday

Boss is piss easy

[humble verge]

time to get a 4 minute evasion extension

so we can solo bosses

[golden loom]

Had a prot pala stand out of range so I got meleed tho

[humble verge]

hahaha

that happened to me on lowkeys

had to tell him mid fight

[golden loom]

I took 7m into 6m

Deadge

[humble verge]

yeah

[golden loom]

But we were stratting some crazy tech for the creepers

[waxen oyster]

idiots in group

sounds like everytime i pug priory

and tank goes right side

”i saw yoda do this on ptr” probably

[golden loom]

That he would bubble on pull for the creepers cause they need to auto to apply the dot, and when he loses aggro, I would evasion and our warrior would die by the sword

[waxen oyster]

Self reporting you willingly watch people stream m+

[golden loom]

Didnt get to try it cause we just nuked them instead

[waxen oyster]

is bad enough

[thorny kraken]

when do we switch tier?

[golden loom]

Pins

[humble verge]

this?

[thorny kraken]

read over it, thanks!

[humble verge]

i saw yoda do this, but then we also did it and it went fine icl

not my route tho

[waxen oyster]

Idk names

I just know right side miniboss is aids

I never look at the route

I just hold w

[humble verge]

the guy that casts the fire

over the whole fucking floor right

yeah

[golden loom]

Someone linking a route in a +6 is a bigger redflag than them being bad

[humble verge]

youre just pissing off any melee at that point

[waxen oyster]

The miniboss on left is the priest woman

[humble verge]

well your whole group icl

[waxen oyster]

i think

[balmy condor]

Worse than that, self reporting that you watch yoda of all people

[humble verge]

left is the best one

always will be

[golden loom]

Fuck the right side boss on god

[humble verge]

the only struggle is that she does reflect

and can kill you

[waxen oyster]

Oh yeah week 1

me sending dm into that

[humble verge]

oh i did send full cds into it, i was 1m hp on the reflect rofl

forgor to pop anything

[shy axle]

how do you do the candle boss correctly then? i thought it was just light them candles, dim them - repeat. Whats the end goal?

[balmy condor]

That’s it

[waxen oyster]

Idk i just hold w when i tank

if we dont time the dps suck at pressing damage buttons

[balmy condor]

That’s literally the fight

[waxen oyster]

thats all

[shy axle]

okay ty, thought there are tricks to it like you cannot light all or need to keep them from getting dimed

[waxen oyster]

https://clips.twitch.tv/HedonisticBelovedRavenPeteZaroll-47M96U7k10lmXzI7

[balmy condor]

Pugs are just undeniably dumbfucks

[spice spire]

Pls use the right version

[golden loom]

What a banger

[dreamy jungle]

!macro

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[waxen oyster]

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[restive falcon]

I simmed my current gear and when I get full 665 tier it’s just 3k dps…is it worth not wasting crests to upgrade the tier until you upgraded other items that have more value

I have 4pc but idk if I waste crests to even upgrade it cause 2 are champ track and 2 are hero and even those all maxed is still dps loss

658ilvl with 2pc 639

[balmy condor]

I put 45 gilded into a myth track tier shoulder

I’m wearing it for my 2pc anyway

[restive falcon]

I have to wait till full 665 to replace :/ so at least to me it’s not worth using crests

I’m losing stamina for prog

Using the lower ilvl but feels bad wasting the crests on something that’s just bad

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[restive falcon]

Hey idc I live on prog

[balmy condor]

Imagine if you had 60k more hp

[severe sparrow]

i dont think ive ever considered my stamina for prog raiding

[balmy condor]

The sheer amount of living

Insane value

[severe sparrow]

im never one of the first 5-10 people dead as is

[restive falcon]

Its my tierly whispyr advice

I’m almost always never die but Ik they gonna be like “use new tier for more hp”

[balmy condor]

Tell them to eat shit

[primal burrow]

Say hello to the 7th boss mythic rn, Echo had a live discuss about their stamina / neck to survive cause it seems to be a hell lot of damage

[severe sparrow]

i cant count, is that bandit?

[balmy condor]

Mug’zee

[restive falcon]

Mug

[golden loom]

They are also doing content noone else ever will

[primal burrow]

Sure

[restive falcon]

[balmy condor]

With 15 ilvl less gear

[brave comet]

is it better to run caustic on cauldron?

[golden loom]

Yeah run caustic on 7/8 bosses

[severe sparrow]

on our normal clear the other night no one soaked with me and i got stuck in prison with the rocky man by myself

[balmy condor]

And they tend to not be very mathematically inclined but ya know

[golden loom]

Lockenstock internalbleeding

[balmy condor]

That’s a whole diff convo

[restive falcon]

Thank you lil gupper for the info @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

[restive falcon]

See you next tier

[golden loom]

Lil gup might be my favorite phrase of 2025 so far

[primal burrow]

See ya on sub side !

[zinc vale]

there is no way they don't buff sin rogue tier set it sucks a dick

[runic basin]

they will nerf old set

[zinc vale]

classic

[primal burrow]

The best you can hope is a bit of rework for baseline ST aligned to their strategy of not wanting tiers to be OP (misses the call on WW and so !)

[frozen glacier]

yall been using bleed build or the standard build in higher keys?

[primal burrow]

What actually gives me hope is that they generally fear to change high scaling classes on AoE

While this time, other classes have upper AoE too

So ... No excuse not to work on our ST baseline

[brave comet]

wait, sprocket excluded right?

[haughty flicker]

sprocket is the 1/8 yes

[distant plinth]

My mutilate is gone from spellbook and bar, tried searching for it aswell

Anyone got a clue where it is😂

[brave comet]

what?

are you serious?

[distant plinth]

Tried to make a macro as well but nothing…?

[brave comet]

swap spec and change back

[distant plinth]

I did and reloggef aswell

[brave comet]

wtf are you just fucked?

can you screen this

[hexed canopy]

is it normal that 2p+2p sims 600k higher than 4 set in dslice?

[clever sapphire]

i remember that happening to kush mid splits, he just got it back after a few seconds in fight

[distant plinth]

@brave comet

[fleet pagoda]

ancient phone tech

[distant plinth]

Offshore oil rig life

[fleet pagoda]

oh nice, how long's the rotation?

[distant plinth]

2 weeks on and 4 weeks off

[clever sapphire]

aye, 4pc sucks ass till a certain ilvl

[distant plinth]

Wanted to play assa today but no mutilate😂😂😂😂

[fleet pagoda]

have you tried hitting a dummy/entering combat? based on what murlock said earlier, might restore it

[clever sapphire]

or just go and die, maybe that helps

blizzard stuff

you never know

[distant plinth]

Yea

Nothing

[hexed canopy]

i goit them all on 662+

[clever sapphire]

well 4pc do be ass, so its no wonder

at the start it was mythic set pieces only that actually were better than 2+2

afaik

[wanton lava]

Is it worth dumping crests into a champ track house of cards since its BIS?

[balmy condor]

No

At minimum you would want to get 655s for the crest reduction before upgrading it

[wanton lava]

ok good point

[balmy condor]

Otherwise go farm a signet of the priory lmao

[haughty flicker]

being greedy is fun

i messed up though so cant outgrow hero crests this week

will have one slot that cant get to 658

[wanton lava]

lol

[balmy condor]

Champ track anything is replaced insanely quick

[haughty flicker]

me using champ track sus energy drink at 653 ilvl

[balmy condor]

Ugly

[haughty flicker]

one day i'll get pacemaker

but it actually outsims everything else i could get atm unless i start spending gildeds

[spice spire]

Dual champion trinkets

Call me a GIGA gamer

[balmy condor]

No

[haughty flicker]

[bright turret]

just get all the bad heroic track trinkets from M+ to save crests on normal cards

[spice spire]

That’s too real actually

Holy

[runic hinge]

Forgot what server I was in

[primal burrow]

What the purpose of carved crest if you dont want to upgrade anyway

[balmy condor]

Carved crests are for useless gear

[primal burrow]

Or temporary to accelerate reduction too. Yeah so you can upgrade a bit here and there champion easy if your full valorstone / crests

[waxen oyster]

What do carveds even go up to again

[primal burrow]

Or did I misunderstand the point

[runic hinge]

4/8 champ

[haughty flicker]

4/8 champion w/e that is

645

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Runed crests after that

Which you basically also skip by just getting hero track

[primal burrow]

Yeah OK so we agree

[balmy condor]

Idk what you’re talking about mate

But sure yeah

[spice spire]

Eventually you uncap

And rank those crests up

[haughty flicker]

whispyr was only talking about runed crests

nobody gives a shit about carved

[spice spire]

Until then If they’re needed they exist

[haughty flicker]

just send whatever there

[primal burrow]

But the discuss was about upgrading champion house of cards so was confusing

Anyway

[haughty flicker]

imagine getting a house of cards anyway

[runic hinge]

If you get two trinkets from 10’s you can upgrade your hoc to 7/8 for free

[humble verge]

^

[haughty flicker]

ye

and at that point might as well go to 8/8 bc you arent getting a discount on that

or just open your vault and get a priory signet 4head

[balmy condor]

Real