assassination

[dawn heath]

I just slam some hc

With some randos

[cerulean maple]

wait omg i was so washed i dont have a single orange in s1

[humble verge]

reasonable

raiding is a dead end

[storm forum]

The homie is out. Good job.

[waxen oyster]

Havoc seems decent this tier

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

Idk why most havoc players absolutely suck though

[cerulean maple]

im sorry im sorry how will you ever forgive me

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor mechanocore nerf is alredy in on latest im assuming?

[dawn heath]

In my experience its the opposite

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/blacrswan-gif-21283538

literally me raiding

[cerulean maple]

i alr have 2 oranges this season though so thats smth ig

[balmy condor]

let me check

[dawn heath]

Dh players are usually your best melee

[drifting cloud]

actually it sims same on nightly hmm now Im not sure

[humble verge]

is the DH buff like

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-no-excuse-gif-24460693

[waxen oyster]

3%

[humble verge]

pops instantly as soon as the dh is in group

[waxen oyster]

blame aug

[humble verge]

or is it an ability

[waxen oyster]

You hit the target

[humble verge]

aha

[waxen oyster]

and it gets debuffed until it dies

[dawn heath]

Just do dam to anything

[cerulean maple]

how do augs affect ur parses /gen

ive never played w one

[balmy condor]

they don't

[humble verge]

you guys have augs?

[cerulean maple]

oh fr?

[humble verge]

we have devs now

[cerulean maple]

does it count as their damage

[waxen oyster]

they got nerfed

[dawn heath]

Aug omegalul

[waxen oyster]

yes

[balmy condor]

logs reverse out the aug damage

[cerulean maple]

ahhh

thats nice tbh

PI does though right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[waxen oyster]

didnt augged damage to shields

[keen spruce]

I think they’re basically all fixed up to properly attribute now

[waxen oyster]

count as your dam

[keen spruce]

But I’m suspicious

[waxen oyster]

in s3/4

[balmy condor]

yeah that got fixed

[keen spruce]

I basically always parsed lower when getting aug’d all of last tier

[drifting cloud]

alot of hunter stuff didnt get fixed

but most of the rest did

[keen spruce]

But it’s a fairly small sample size

And probably placebo

And my hatred of lizard confirmation bias

[dawn heath]

I do recommend havoc for you guys as an alt this tier they basically Play no mover and they have a very similar damage profile to Assa Rogue with a marked target they stick to with funnel

Its pretty nice this ssn

[humble verge]

i made a dk last seaosn

also a shaman

might do dh

to alt tank maybe keys

[dawn heath]

Havoc is fun and pretty strong

[humble verge]

for guildies, idk about raiding

[dawn heath]

It does single target dps in keys

[humble verge]

we already have a dh for our raid

dpd

what the hell does that mean

oh alright

[dawn heath]

Its one of the highest st in m+ build

[balmy condor]

yeah looks like it's in on first glance

I'd have to trace back spell id nonsense but looks okay

[waxen oyster]

prot warrior damage

is kind of gross

[humble verge]

i think i saw critcake

doing a key on prot

he ended with 3,5m

[waxen oyster]

demolish can do like 8m

to one target

uncapped aoe btw

[humble verge]

yeah

shits insane

but then again, its not every prot i see

[balmy condor]

                    Base Value: 0 | Scaled Value: 1214.179 (coefficient=0.474704) | PvP Coefficient: 0.5 | Target: Self (1)
 Hotfixed         : Coefficient (0.499642 -> 0.474704)```

this is mechano-core 5%

[astral current]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[humble verge]

bdk also has a lot of dps if they just proc their blood proc

[balmy condor]

as far as I know

[humble verge]

or w/e

[balmy condor]

Your harmful abilities have a chance to power the amplifier, randomly increasing either your highest secondary stat by $s1 or your lowest secondary stat by $s2 for $1214806d.

yeh

mechano-core nerf in latest

[final phoenix]

so... whats the deal with our 4piece, do we even want it now? or is it always a dps loss vs going 2-2?

hard to follow

[balmy condor]

you want it

but you need ilvl to make it worth

myth track

[final phoenix]

oh ok, even hero isnt worth ? (i have myth t2 ofc)

t1*

[uneven plume]

Sim it

2pc+2pc might be shit for you

[humble verge]

time to wait 10 minutes

[balmy condor]

2pc+2pc will not be shit

but hero typically not worth for 4pc

2+2 is VERY good

[humble verge]

yeah

[final phoenix]

yea figured

[humble verge]

even hero 4pc

is a dps loss

i dont get it

[final phoenix]

just got this baby in my vault

[humble verge]

why is nerub so good

[balmy condor]

old 2pc very good

[humble verge]

way too good

we can just argue that

[final phoenix]

im thinking of keeping it, and going 2-2 for the other pieces

[humble verge]

this tierset is just bad

for us

[balmy condor]

it was 4% and then they buffed it

last tier

[humble verge]

i heard for DHs its even worse, am i wrong @dawn heath ?

[dawn heath]

what is?

[humble verge]

tierset

[dawn heath]

ye havocs tier is bad

[humble verge]

our dh is still using nerub 4p

[dawn heath]

but its also a situation of

old tier beeing strong

af

[humble verge]

yea

[dawn heath]

i did get new 4piece though on the dh

4piece 655 was a 4k dps loss

compared to 639 tier

[humble verge]

so like, if i would make a dh - i WOULD go into a mythic nerub weekly raid if people are even doing it

just to get the tier sets i guess?

[dawn heath]

but it was 150k dps gain on aoe

[humble verge]

oh

[dawn heath]

na just get the new tier

its fine

[humble verge]

alright

[waxen oyster]

tier is massive on veng

[dawn heath]

they may still buff it

who knows

[humble verge]

i hate playing ranged anyways

[waxen oyster]

kind of ehh in havoc

[dawn heath]

current havoc really has exactly the same approach in keys as a assa rogue

you apply your mark stick to that target use your blade dance to aoe funnel into your marked target

it actually has more funnel than assa somehow

[severe sparrow]

damn ok nvm this trinket sims the same as max myth track of either of these rings, which also sim the same as max hero track ring from last boss

[humble verge]

gaming

which trinket

[severe sparrow]

sus energy drink

[humble verge]

oh that one

[humble verge]

why would you got for lower ilvl tho

[severe sparrow]

both of those rings sim the same as a maxxed heroic jastor diamond, but the trinket sims more than all 3

so like

[dawn heath]

the cart boss in darkflame

it is silly how good the funnel is there

[humble verge]

but wouldnt you probably remove the siren ring if you were to get jastor diamond then

and have that other ring

[dawn heath]

boss damage

[humble verge]

okay what

what key lvl is this

[humble verge]

jesus

[dawn heath]

it scales

the funnel scales with amount of targets

[humble verge]

how are the other 2 doing so low st dps tho

i feel they should atleast be on the milly

[dawn heath]

idk busy padding?

on adds

[severe sparrow]

i mean if i chuck both vault rings, the siren ring, and the jastor in a sim, the top 4 all have the circlet so im assuming i wont be taking it off lol

[humble verge]

holy pad rofl

[humble verge]

hmmmmm if ya say so

but are you maxing out the vault rings?

i hope

[severe sparrow]

yeah ofc

[humble verge]

ok

then idk

the ring is very rare drop

i wouldnt count on it you getting it

icl

[severe sparrow]

is it? ah

[humble verge]

yeah

we were GIGA LUCKY getting it this week

we even had like 2 warbound drops on normal

like wtf

[severe sparrow]

i mean the trinket sims better than the myth track rings maxxed either way still so

just feelsbad

[humble verge]

i would still go ilvl >

imo

there are better trinkets

though it could end up with the skardyn farming scenario

[waxen oyster]

idk ret players pad so hard

[humble thunder]

!weakaura

[severe sparrow]

mmm yeah youre probably right, this ring is about the best id get outside of that other one that's very rare so

i may as well near-lock that slot out and be done with rings for the season

[humble verge]

sure, you might get it in the next quarter but theres that

[wheat tiger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[drifting cloud]

thanks for checking btw, dont think I dont appreciate it!

just forgor to say

[runic hinge]

When are you teaching me to play disc

[balmy condor]

ryler hates me

[storm forum]

Uhhhh

Whenever you send me in game mail about it

Jk

Whenever you want

[runic hinge]

okay I’ll get on it. Maybe this weekend

[blazing jewel]

That was lame

I think it’s back I swapped pws and put on 2fa

[drifting cloud]

damn noob (dont hack me)

[earnest remnant]

rik did end up dying

[hot edge]

Hey guys, just came back to play retail again what are the best dps currently? Being looking through on youtube but couldnt find nothing

[earnest remnant]

very close tho

almost enraged

[drifting cloud]

colour too strong

[past bobcat]

3 heal still? Or 4

[drifting cloud]

3 heal they dont do splits

[past bobcat]

Wondering with 10% nerf if 4 heal is a strat now or 3 heal still bis

[earnest remnant]

you dont really need healing

[runic hinge]

Where’s my free money

[blazing jewel]

[celest egret]

!macro

[spice spire]

Richard reverberation himself?

[drifting cloud]

Ricardio Reverbacion himself

[loud trench]

question for you parce lords

why are people taking caustic spatter instead of internal?

are you able to dot both that I am missing besides when they clash?

[haughty flicker]

assuming you mean second boss

[cerulean walrus]

The clash is enough to justify taking spatter

[haughty flicker]

ib is worth very little so even just the value during clash is enough to make caustic worth

legit only boss you dont take caustic this tier is sprocketmonger

[cerulean walrus]

Lockenstock is such a based name

[loud trench]

thank you

[haughty flicker]

sprocketmonger lockenstock is a borderlands name if i've ever heard one

[drifting cloud]

cds also allign on clash

so that little extra spatter juice

well you have to delay a bit so I guess depends on your exact kill timer

@balmy condor its time

[cerulean walrus]

[drifting cloud]

I think it might beat a s1 trinket now

[cerulean walrus]

Huge

[balmy condor]

maybe

do we preemptively move it from D tier to C tier

[humble verge]

hmmm

oh

someone else posted

[hoary fulcrum]

i think im simming wrong somehow... its show crest upgrades are a decrease in sim?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jJgYJi2hnXrpmjixfSQHiR

[runic hinge]

She monger on my sprocket until I stock in her locken

[restive falcon]

my gear wants more mastery D:im at 55%mastery 30%crit and it wants more mastery

i think getting the Minature Roulette Wheel to roll 6kcrit 1k mastery really wants mastery bad now

[clever wolf]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jZLx3uEJ1KED1WPDeU85oV
need better on use 😄

[split veldt]

im going insane, i accidently turned on personal resource bar, with showing on mobs, and even when i turn both off, it still stays

[clever wolf]

transmitter op

[split veldt]

okay somehow it turned it on plater too, fixed now

[hollow river]

Ye sometimes u gotta go into player settings and toggle it on/off

Been happening to me as well sometimes

[cerulean maple]

am i going crazy or do delve mobs seem a bit healthier than usual

40m for random trash, 300m boss

[balmy condor]

you don't have gems in your neck

you also don't have a gem in your belt

or your wrists

[rough lodge]

any suggestions for t11 kriegval's? final boss is wrecking me

[astral ingot]

Feint before the fire AOE, kick the cast and pop our heal for the slam he does, keep cloak/evasion for sticky situations

[runic hinge]

I did the other 3 today

[astral ingot]

What should i be focusing on next for gear? Are there any key peices that are must haves from raid/M+

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iCv3tr6QtooydvbyrH5zzC

Im assuming my stats are a bit off on some peices

[plain wind]

i'm in the same boat... just simmed mastery flask vs alc chaos and it was like 17k higher

[restive falcon]

1.847m alchemical to 1.851m mastery is what my sim is so nothing crazy

[uneven plume]

depths that good that its simming more that power?

[balmy condor]

yes

[neat galleon]

sim says to take this trinket, gives me 200k in dungeon slice , should i take it?

[short flint]

yeh has me up 200k aswell over 645 mechano core

[balmy condor]

then take it

[cerulean walrus]

I Stix my Bunk in her Junker

[cerulean burrow]

so im not specced into shrouded suffocation or vicious venoms... should i be ? for single target ?

or should i be using fan of knives on my single target opener ?

[severe sparrow]

i think that little down thing just means you should mut before returning back to the line in the same spot, essentially, even though it just ends

so it'd be ambush gar mut rupt fok

[cerulean burrow]

yeah but

what about that mutilate where it says cast fan of knives if not talented into vicious venoms

[oak eagle]

how do i sim different tier sets?

trying to see if 2p 2p or 4p is better for me

[severe sparrow]

these things arent literal you just get to a point where you can appropriately envenom, however many builder casts that ends up being

[cerulean burrow]

so why do i fan of knives on single target over uh ..... mutilate ?

[oak eagle]

just to use the buff you get from applying Mark

[cerulean burrow]

oh okay

[runic hinge]

Clear the witnesses

[oak eagle]

thats what the buff is called

i forgot what it was

[haughty flicker]

i didnt know you could get warbound tier tokens lmao

too bad this is the slot i alread have, guess i need to level my monk

[rotund marsh]

???

this just pre 4pc stuff?

or is this an accurate way to judge assa rn

i didnt know they were doing that good in ST

[spice surge]

Thats not ST

[haughty flicker]

theres a single st boss in this raid

[rotund marsh]

ahh is that why? i forgot the bosses shift to mainly aoe/cleave with heroic/mythic

[haughty flicker]

very good fights for sin

[gritty sequoia]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[indigo leaf]

assa is #1 on both overall and boss damage though

[rotund marsh]

does blizzard look at stuff like this and then take action based on this?

cause it would be very lame to catch a nerf

[haughty flicker]

well

[drifting cloud]

95% of mythic parses are first boss

[haughty flicker]

nothing will happen until after race anyway

so we'll see how things pan out

[rotund marsh]

lets hope we fall down a bit as people get more loot

[indigo leaf]

but ye that stat is only mythic parses

[cerulean burrow]

can we avoid rick reverbs thing that he does to stun melee by shrouding or anything or is it unavoidable ?

[rotund marsh]

i really would like to know how blizzard operates when tuning this stuff

[severe meadow]

[hot pasture]

excecute phase in assa its kinda op

[runic hinge]

Let’s not base our judgements on 95% mythic parses. That’s such a small player base

[rotund marsh]

i would have thought warrior would be higher

[indigo leaf]

the stat is only from mythic kills which right now is mostly vexies with some cauldrons and a few reverbs sprinkled in

so not really a stat worth looking much into

[rotund marsh]

ok, need more time

[runic hinge]

[rotund marsh]

thats the sample size?!

bruh

[runic hinge]

Yea

[rotund marsh]

ok this whole graph is dumb af then

[drifting cloud]

tony opened the wowhead article

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[hot pasture]

in the first boss

[runic hinge]

Trying to get Jez her clicks

[rotund marsh]

listen i got a wowhead webhook in my personal server i use, i dont expect the posts to be dumb

[hot pasture]

in mitic

[drifting cloud]

I mean the posts do the same theyve done for years

[runic hinge]

They are farming engagement to make money

[drifting cloud]

weekly public data

[rotund marsh]

i mean they dont expect people to take it seriously i guess

[cerulean burrow]

can we avoid that ability that rik reverb does ?

where he comes down and stuns at the beginning ?

[rotund marsh]

that ability

[cerulean burrow]

yeah the one he does off the bat where he has a circle around him

[haughty flicker]

when he drops a pillar?

[drifting cloud]

yeah its called move out

[rotund marsh]

lol a swirly?

[indigo leaf]

consider moving out of the circle

[haughty flicker]

you step out for one global

[rotund marsh]

gotta parse thoughhhhhhhh

[cerulean burrow]

oh so we cant shroud it or anything ok

yeah im just worried about damage upkeep

[cerulean maple]

(question for EU people) how long does server stay down for? I know reset is in 2 hours but i never ended up doing my m10 💀 will there be time after maint

[indigo leaf]

eu maintenance is usually less than an hour

[rotund marsh]

would be better to save shroud for when you are actually needing it

[haughty flicker]

ik its a joke but parsing on rik as sin is gonna be 100% about how barrels spawn and how much caustic value you get

[cerulean maple]

so it might be worth giga fucking up my sleep schedule

[rotund marsh]

assa has some talents that will be abused this raid for sure

[drifting cloud]

it varies but it will most likely be 45min or maybe even less

[haughty flicker]

i almost beat the enhance just now on rik

but not quite

that was with piss poor barrels though

[indigo leaf]

🤙

[cerulean burrow]

are you using cleave build ?

[haughty flicker]

legit just normal raid build with caustic instead of ib

[rotund marsh]

its so odd how the normal raid is almost exclusively ST, but then shifts the other way around with the other difficulties

[haughty flicker]

ye thats pretty common

though its a lot more noticable this tier

bc every single fight has adds

except sprocket

[indigo leaf]

cauldron is effectively a ST fight as well for most classes except for the intermission where you can dot up the other boss and cleave a little bit

[haughty flicker]

ye, for us though still worth taking caustic

since its so easy to get

other classes probbaly have to go st

[indigo leaf]

internal bleeding is so insignificant lol

[cerulean maple]

sorry to sound like a broken record but basically server will probs be back up in like 30-60min (giving me around like an hour ish to do an m10?)

[drifting cloud]

yes

if you get lucky they might be up in 10min already

[indigo leaf]

ye

[cerulean maple]

alr bet, time to see if i manage to stay awake until then lmao

any1 still need m10 for vault on an alt or smth?

[oak eagle]

chatters

how do i sim 2p 2p and 4p

am noob to simming

[cerulean maple]

do u have all the pieces

you could run 1 sim wearing 2/2 and 1 sim wearing 4p
or do via the compare feature ig??

you could also just smash it all into topgear if you have all the pieces

[lethal python]

You can sim it even without having all the pieces. Go to Advanced > Gear in raidbots

[cerulean burrow]

so on the adds with rik reverb ..... i should fan of knives then try to cleave with caustic spatter off boss ? and if the adds are far i should shadow step to them and then fan of knives and rupture and then envenoms

[nocturne quail]

Does your group need add dam?

[cerulean burrow]

well yeah

[balmy condor]

ranged adds are ranged problem

you just hit boss and caustic

[haughty flicker]

used cds and immediately got ball on dipshit

is it better to delay cds so they fall after sorting

probably right

[cerulean burrow]

ok thank you !

[rough lodge]

Just won the jaster diamond in raid and the roll was taking forever, we left raid before it was finished getting ready for heroic. Others have me winning the ring in their log, but it's not showing up in mail or my inventory... does it just take time? been like 10 min

[haughty flicker]

its supposed to send to you but i never trust that shit

i'll sit on a roll for 10m

[dawn heath]

I just saw a rogues crimson Tempest be top damage on one arm bandit 💀

This doesnt look right

In my group

[haughty flicker]

was he afk

[dawn heath]

Nope

[haughty flicker]

he pressed envenom like 10 times max

[plush isle]

500k dps

[dawn heath]

Poor guy

[hollow river]

Def afk

[dawn heath]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zhyrTBQGpPtmYXdW?fight=8&type=damage-done

[haughty flicker]

8 casts

dude was afk

like cant even joke about it he just wasnt playing the game

did he die or something

[plush isle]

55% uptime on Rupture 52% Uptime on Garotte

[dawn heath]

Hes gaming

[plush isle]

no energy gain => no damage

[haughty flicker]

at least he didnt waste much energy

[dawn heath]

Atleast he didnt waste much

Gaming

[plush isle]

cant waste it if you dont have any

[haughty flicker]

modern problems require modern solutions

sin too fast, got to slow it down some

[dawn heath]

💀

I dont understand how u fuck up sin in raid

Its probably the easiest melee spec after ret

[haughty flicker]

probably

im bad though so i still fuck it up

fucked up my entire opener on vexie earlier bc i got distracted

and on cauldron i didnt swap mark so didnt have a hero talent for half the fight

not a great night

[dawn heath]

My opener can be scuffed too but the sustain rotation is so straight forward

[haughty flicker]

rik went well at least

stix was going well but i got ball right as i pressed my cds

will have to delay a couple seconds next time

[dawn heath]

Rik felt rly bad on assa

I play pugs my tank tanked the boss away from the adds i had to manually ruptur and aplly caustic

My damage was just awful

Def not a sin fight

[haughty flicker]

my tanks werent tanking the boss on barrels consistantly

but fuck barrels

me hit boss

[scenic vine]

Does the order of poison application matter?

[drifting cloud]

no

[scenic vine]

even with the 30% less application chance?

or does it mean that all poisons have a 30% less chance, not just the 2nd applied ones

[drifting cloud]

ngl I dont know the exact wording, but the order of how you apply them doesnt matter at all

otherwise it would probably be imporant and it would have been noted somewhere :p

[scenic vine]

I think the latter of what I said makes sense

I was just reading it in a diff way

[celest helm]

just showing this here to let other people drool at it like i did

[scenic vine]

Mechano-Core Amplifier still simming best with nerfs? I just got a champ track one and its not an upgrade over my champ Suspicious Energy Drink according to both AOE and ST sims

[balmy condor]

depends on the char obviously

so yours isn't :)

[hexed root]

i thought sin got nerfed bad?!

[soft surge]

sub psyop

[hexed root]

i play all specs

oh you're saying sub mains spread info

[haughty flicker]

next weeks patch notes

all 3 rogue specs nerfed

gg

[hexed root]

pfft

[balmy condor]

insane doomers all of PTR cause brainlets see sims and actually think it's all joever

[hexed root]

rip my loot

at least sub gearing/stats aren't AWFUL for sin. i think casualaddict had a macro about sin aoe blasting but ST sucking hahah

[upper wraith]

that moment you get kezans and the mount lol

[runic hinge]

Yes but it’s been much quieter in here without them

[balmy condor]

yeah so just assassination since the start of the expansion

[hexed root]

fair

thought sin was better known for ST

im bad at this game these days

[runic hinge]

Sin struggles in ST in keys because we have to take so many talents to get aoe damage but it’s not terrible in raid spec St

[cinder bone]

damn relic actually good for m+

[astral current]

when do we go full 4p set instead of 2+2?

[cinder bone]

when it sims higher

[balmy condor]

yeah it was 2 years ago and then it got aoe tools to make it viable in m+ and hasn't really been great st in m+ since

[hexed root]

makes sense, i definitely still enjoy it more in m+ then sub, raiding as sub, m+ as sin at the moment

[fleet whale]

Imagine going back in time to 2015 telling rogues that assassin would be the aoe pumper spec

[balmy condor]

they would tell yeah ofc it's the aoe pumper spec you fucking idiot, ever heard of poison bomb?

cause you're going back to legion

[cinder bone]

legion sin best sin

[balmy condor]

or maybe that's wod

[cinder bone]

legion rogue best rogue since vanilla actually

[balmy condor]

if it's wod then they'd think mythic+ was challenge mode raid

[fleet whale]

2015 was wod

but assassin had basically 0 aoe

[balmy condor]

yeah okay

aoe in general didn't matter back then cause dungeons weren't content

[fleet whale]

FoK barely did any damage and people didn't even put crimson tempest on their action bars

true, but a lot of the raid bosses had some sort of aoe element to them

[cinder bone]

i got zoldycks like second week of raid so legion will always be a highlight for me

[fleet whale]

I did really like legion but my leggo luck was awful early on

I got the shield necklace and Dreadlord's Deceit as my first two leggos

[cinder bone]

sub pvp was fun too because shadowstrike always teleported

just wrecked mages

[hexed root]

ever since sub became a pve spec

rogue has gone downhill

should've always exclusively been pvp spec

[cinder bone]

agreed

[fleet whale]

idk i thought wod was a fun rogue expansion

[whole mason]

does demise affected by haste?

[cinder bone]

end of WoD was fun world pvp in the jungle

[fleet whale]

The low point for rogues to me is when blizz revealed our hero talents for TWW

[round helm]

is 4 set undersimming 2-2 set cause of stats/ilvl or is 2-2 just stronger rn

[cinder bone]

little of both

[dusty skiff]

is it best to replace season 1 4-set with a 2 set for this season?

[balmy condor]

sim yourself, generally yes

[dawn heath]

do i ttake myth track wepaon even though i already crafted one?

[haughty flicker]

take those gloves for transmog

[dawn heath]

i think ill take weapon

we use circlet and have op raid ring

[brave comet]

what to pick?

[astral current]

fuck gally 4real

[astral current]

kezan is good for 6-7 minutes fights

at the same ilvl core is better if fight is less than 5-6 minutes

[brave comet]

my core is hero track, my kazan is champion

[astral current]

oh, didnt notice that core is hero

sim yourself

what content do u prefer?

[brave comet]

whats the difference in ilvl between hero and champion?

[astral current]

m+?

[brave comet]

like 6-8 ilvl?

M+ doesnt matter for sure

[astral current]

max champ 658, hero 665

however core got main stat, kezan doesnt

[brave comet]

well sims says mechano core is better for me so ill pick that

[magic thorn]

Is it confirmed that we get the cartel chips to buy raid items in 11.1.5 ?

[weary spear]

tricks!

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[balmy condor]

no

they said they're "looking into it"

and "thinking about it"

[astral current]

how does it work

[magic thorn]

Ty whispyr

[hot pasture]

the trinket is good?

[runic hinge]

Maybe

[winged sun]

Only for feral I think and it got nerfed today

[pliant remnant]

This game sucks ass

My monk unironically took socket week 1

[spice spire]

Should have on my warrior tbh

[hidden bay]

rogue got shit, dh got gally ring

[spice spire]

Rogue got a decent myth belt and warrior got trash 🙂

[charred shard]

10 floodgate, sin is SLAMMING keys

[dusky night]

anyone willing to look at my parse to see why I'm garbage?

[spice spire]

Sure

Your worth is not dictated by your parse but I can look and show how to improve!

[dusky night]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qXya1N63mZAzWDFb?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=11

thank you

[vale lantern]

gears lookin pretty good

[haughty flicker]

nice

ive seen a lot of people using that bomb trinket

it doesnt sim very well for me, maybe bc i already have a bunch of crit

but the motherlode trinket sims higher for me

[rotund oak]

bro's decked out

[vale lantern]

need more though 😦

[willow vine]

insane gear

[haughty flicker]

at least your old tier is 639 and not 619 like mine lmao

[vale lantern]

yeah that is true

it might be work you replacing it way sooner than i if yours is 619

[haughty flicker]

im down like 4 ilvl until i can get gloves to cata

yeah i legit havent seen any gloves

not a single drop

[haughty flicker]

not even just hero track, any gloves whatsoever

[upper wraith]

dat up time

[vale lantern]

i have 3 pieces of heroic tier but am told by sims to only use 2:(

[haughty flicker]

ye 2+2 op

[rotund oak]

we all do

[nova python]

Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker is not a bad start is it?

[haughty flicker]

watching whispyr suffer in this priory is very fun

also makes me very thankful i already have that trinket

[spice spire]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice spire]

@dusky night

[dusky night]

Thank you good sir

[spice spire]

He’s suffering because he’s not running with my goat, kwan

[haughty flicker]

his first mistake was definitely joining a pug in the first place

[spice spire]

Man’s in the piss boys

But doesn’t run with them Smdh

[zenith tree]

Think if I change my spec to sub while queueing I'll get groups instead?

[haughty flicker]

not particularly

i did that shit on evoker all the time last season though

[zenith tree]

Idk get declined from every single flood/priory as assassination I gotta try somethin

[haughty flicker]

queue as aug then swap to dev

[rain berry]

4 tier its not worth it? in all my sims of great vault items it told me to go 2 + 2 and pick a random mythic off set item

[balmy condor]

need end of hero/start of myth track on tier

[zenith tree]

Wish I could upgrade my old myth tier...

[spice spire]

:3

[balmy condor]

perhaps I just

4 Piece Is typically only better at roughly 662-665 item level across your tier pieces. After Weekly Tuning, The Bonuses will be equal at equal item level.

[balmy condor]

and then we pray

[rotund oak]

cool cool

[hot pasture]

is the delve trinket bis or bad with the nerfs?

[golden loom]

Bis bad good great mid

[slow tulip]

crafting was next week, right?

[balmy condor]

it got a 5% nerf to the lower of the two procs

nerf is literally not even worth the time it took me to type this out

[hot pasture]

ty btw <333

[balmy condor]

np

[balmy condor]

catalyst and spark every 2 week, starting last week, next week is next

[slow tulip]

thx a lot

[restive hawk]

yo we win those?

[warm vessel]

Mythic tier is nice. But that house of cards seems nicer.

[fleet pagoda]

ty for all the pins and content uploads and general dispensing of information. makes it a million times easier coming back after a few months ❤️

[balmy condor]

You’re welcome goat

[neat isle]

who as the best platername plate profile for assassin

[balmy condor]

Well “best” is subjective

Lot of people like jundies and quazii

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

There’s some at the bottom here

That are assa specific

[neat isle]

honestly just looking for one better than the one i made, appreciate it.

[pliant flame]

Already got the crafted dagger, would have preferred a signet but at least im done for the season with daggers 😄

[lavish brook]

Anyone solo'ing T11 delves?

after the patch

[fleet pagoda]

you trying to use tank brann?

[lavish brook]

yeah

hes getting 2 shot now

[fleet pagoda]

healer brann's the goat

[lavish brook]

kk lol. last week was fine with tank bran

[fleet pagoda]

aye sounds like he was poppin off too much. i didn't even try it

[runic hinge]

I did 3 11's in an hour with healer brann

[fleet pagoda]

pick up the floor potions, space out when you pick them up, you're immortal

[undone flame]

is it just me or dose the new 4p sim lower then 2p 2p?

[sharp viper]

#assassination message not just you

[hot field]

Wait.... so you're telling me, and what you've been telling everyone since the new patch came out, is that new 4p is only better at higher iLVL, and that 2p+2p is the way to go until you get there? Seriously?!?! like, on god fr fr??

[balmy condor]

fr fr on god on god

[undone flame]

damn i knew the tier was bad but not that bad

[hot field]

lol, rip to my old Tier at like 619..... 626..... 😂 😅

[fast mural]

Dagger or head?

[dawn seal]

okay question

how big is doubling the ascendance

[balmy condor]

2x

[runic hinge]

huge if true

[dawn seal]

am I only allowed to ask rtogue questions

I think I am simming somethin wrong

[runic hinge]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[dawn seal]

My sim says I gain 200k dps by swappin 3 pieces

[dawn seal]

thanks I ll check this

[fast mural]

bro why my hands are sym so much yikes

[last skiff]

Nice Haste/versa weapon

[balmy condor]

assuming you crafted your main hand you would never take a hero dagger

the myth dagger maybe

but offhand daggers are pretty gigashit

[fast mural]

it's myth dagger

haste-mast

but we are already 2/8 M

so maybe i am luck on rick ?

[balmy condor]

💀

bro just don't take the fucking dagger

very easy

[fast mural]

https://tenor.com/view/love-nasty-riri-gif-6441970780093999578

[golden loom]

Are the pieces tier?

[last skiff]

taking delves set

[subtle tundra]

i got bad vault on both rogue and monk

but paladin got very rare ring ---------

meow

[runic hinge]

[dawn seal]

no

its so weird

can it be ascendance not doubled

[subtle tundra]

then send the sim

idk

[dawn seal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pVWdZZa5UN5mAdqW4wUkp3

[fast mural]

Assasination Mage?

[dawn seal]

[subtle tundra]

bruh its comparing to another set of talents

[dawn seal]

oh

I am so dumb

I was on aoe talents lmao

[subtle tundra]

🥹

he knows

if i get mugzee neck and house of cards ill be happy

but my gear is so ass

regardless

wtf

i need weapon from first boss too to be happy

i dont remember any tier where i had good gear bruh

[undone flame]

well i gusse getting an hero crit/vers belt with slot is okay week 1 :/

[golden loom]

Meow

I hate office day I wanna go home and see my vault!!!

[subtle tundra]

i got wow on my work laptop to open vaults

lol

[golden loom]

Saw my 45ish year old colleagues google theme a few min ago

Bro has a illidan theme

On his work pc

[somber fractal]

got a tricky one

[subtle tundra]

oof..

[sharp viper]

suffering from too many good options

[subtle tundra]

id go priory but oof

[jolly vault]

Hero track Mechano (I already have a Veteran one) or 2nd tier piece on Hero? 😄

disclaimer, I am choosing the tier no matter what

[subtle tundra]

??/

i hate your pfp btw

dont appreciate it

[jolly vault]

Well I am the bigger man, such as I absolutely need to say I love yours

[subtle tundra]

monk main be monkin'

[jolly vault]

I never heard of that class in my life

[subtle tundra]

me neither. assa forever

[jolly vault]

I need to disappoint, this is my first time playing Rogue somewhat seriously

[balmy condor]

whatever sims higher

[subtle tundra]

wnhissortkotpyr

[sharp viper]

Bless you

[balmy condor]

gear in this game

is VERY shallow

[sonic pewter]

Why is my aoe blind not working on Xala Balls? Do i miss Something? Is it bugged?

[balmy condor]

what

oh it's still EU

you're on last weeks orbs

wait no you're not

what

eu reset

[subtle tundra]

china! ! !

[balmy condor]

what orbs are we talking about

[sonic pewter]

Yeah it happened all the time Last week. I dont want that to Happen again If possible.

[balmy condor]

yeah so

don't blind the orbs

it'll fizzle

you gotta blind a mob

and that'll cleave the orbs

[sonic pewter]

Blizz why 😩

Thank you

[fast mural]

blizz exposed us ?

[royal lantern]

my 2 orbs :3

[balmy condor]

what does bro mean by that

[fast mural]

We were last on the simcs

[balmy condor]

yeah

who fucking cares

[royal lantern]

giga serious mythic logs from a single boss with old gear bro

[balmy condor]

turns out a 5min target dummy isn't equal to a raid fight

INSANE knowledge

[fast mural]

xd

i mean yea its heroic tracking

[balmy condor]

it's not actually, that is mythic

which you would've known

had you opened it

and read the thing

that explained why assa is strong

that I wrote

:)))))

[fast mural]

lovely i will now that you wrote this

[left loom]

do you think we will remain close to the top on highr gear levels? or scalling will push us down ?

[balmy condor]

what

what scaling

[rotund oak]

Whispyr of key spaming

[left loom]

i mean higher stats, bonuses, gems, etc

[balmy condor]

????????????

bro it's 20 ilvl not 200

how much scaling do you envision happens within 1 tier

[quiet oar]

Tryan, what did you have in your vault

We were vault brothers in nerubar

[royal lantern]

the biggest "boost" is in the first 2-3 weeks cus people get trinkets/tier/weapons, thats it

[royal lantern]

i dont start my PC before going to work lmao

[quiet oar]

Sadge

[left loom]

like about 25 ilevels?

by average

[rotund oak]

just sim it

20-25-30

who cares

[left loom]

sims just showed to be irrelevant vs reality checks on fights

[rotund oak]

yeah idk how u judge that

sims simulate an environment

[subtle tundra]

rogue crafting 1 hand weapon instantly also boosts the statistics quite a bit

[rotund oak]

how u handle ur gear is another story

so both are closely related,in that respect

[subtle tundra]

and 2 hander users seem a bit worse

[willow grotto]

!fu

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

💀

you cannot be real

[subtle tundra]

bro doesnt know what sims are supposed to show

[bright turret]

sin is one of the easiest specs to play, so gotta factor that in

easy to hit sim dam

[rotund oak]

too much outlaw in him

[quiet oar]

Well there is a Trick, how 2 handers get it this week

🙂

[subtle tundra]

huh?

what do you mean i dont get you

[viral moat]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[left loom]

ye agree , i just can imagine a lot of rogues are still ahead of decision whether go sub or assa as stats are diffrent and looking for inisghts where to go

[subtle tundra]

bruh

[quiet oar]

You can get the second spark half this week, and if you didnt complete the quest on catalyst, you can have 4 halfs

[subtle tundra]

you can put assa with full sub stats and perform 98% the same

[red schooner]

nah I locked in sin several expansions ago life is easy

[subtle tundra]

?????????????????????????????????????

[quiet oar]

Because the quest requires you to find a half, not to Turn it jt

[subtle tundra]

wtf

[bright turret]

every stat being good for sin is a beautiful thing

[subtle tundra]

why did i turn it in

[jolly vault]

Small indie company bro

[subtle tundra]

omg

[red schooner]

Reroll your monk

Start from scratch

And you can fix this

[rotund oak]

stats are what?Sin DOESNT care about stats as much as u think.There is a very respectable amount of rogues that do m+,play sin with vers/mast gear

[subtle tundra]

i turned it in last night bro

[rotund oak]

and they play both specs if needed

[quiet oar]

I mean i think this will get hotfixed

But this is an exploit, that can happen by accident

[rotund oak]

black coffee,hug ur dog

[rotund oak]

😍

[quiet oar]

@stark heart

[stark heart]

thank you!
why did you post in an actual channel and not the thread?

[rotund oak]

i provoked it

guilty as charged

[quiet oar]

Yes

Sap made me Do it

[undone flame]

do we know the chance % of 4p?

[dreamy rover]

beautiful boy

[balmy condor]

70

[dreamy rover]

whispyr

[undone flame]

thanks

[dreamy rover]

how bad is it to play assass with vers mast gear

[undone flame]

can it overlap?

[dreamy rover]

subtlety gear

[balmy condor]

not

[balmy condor]

es

[dreamy rover]

im about to run comprehensive sims on it but wanted to know your opinion on it

[bright turret]

barely matters

[warm lantern]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[bright turret]

all stats are good for sin

[dreamy rover]

thats perfect, thanks

[rotund oak]

sin doesnt care all that much

[dreamy rover]

because i've been having much more fun doing keys with sin

[bright turret]

think of the pain the poor players of sub/outlaw feel

[runic hinge]

I ran verse mastery on all my m+ gear at the end of last season for the hell of it

[dreamy rover]

but i enjoy sub's damage profile much more during raids

[rotund oak]

i run it from the start,coz why not

play sub when and if i want

[dreamy rover]

thats what ill be doing this season

fuck yhea

(btw if you dont dual wield daggers you're not a rogue)

#outlawischinese

[rotund oak]

(catalyze ur chest asap,its vers/mast)

big gains

[bright turret]

that's specist, pistols are very stealthy

[dreamy rover]

lel im still 0pc

[rotund oak]

[dreamy rover]

still waiting for a fucking miracle or something

[undone flame]

do you play gnome? asking since i think i saw you in game

[dreamy rover]

ill hold catalyzing until i can do my full 4pc

[rotund oak]

my alliance is a mechagnome yes

[dreamy rover]

btw i hate blizzard

[undone flame]

i did see you then xD

[undone flame]

good

[rotund oak]

must have been brutal to experience such a thing

[dreamy rover]

idk i feel more comfortable in the assassination chat

sub chat is kind of bad

[faint path]

Do you guys know that timewalking quest drop item from raid or just normal 636 item ?

[dreamy rover]

hey @rotund oak should i just sim everything for subtlety and say fuck it?

[undone flame]

we used to raid togther :/

[dreamy rover]

raid item

[rotund oak]

happy to see u around in this sacred discord fam

[faint path]

omg so good then

[runic hinge]

I’m one tricking this season. Gotta keep my io page clean

[faint path]

maybe house of cards

[rotund oak]

whatever u love my man,u wanna sim for sub,u know that info is for sub.Sin needs sin talents obv 😛

[royal lantern]

based

[rotund oak]

i think i like this patch,compared to s1 this is fun and all,im gonna play my horde rogue as well

[dreamy rover]

ok i love you. thank for words

[runic hinge]

This season definitely feels better than s1 already

[dreamy rover]

new raid is so cartoony and fun, im really enjoying it

[rotund oak]

s1 was beta testing

(they just didnt tell us beforehand)

[willow vine]

Bro same, sin is pretty cracked in keys

[balmy condor]

would be super cool if signet could drop

[red schooner]

this week for sure

[rotund oak]

[red schooner]

I got normal house of cards from raid so I ain't getting shit trinket wise rest of the tier

It's over for me

[balmy condor]

I'm in the fucking rat slums

[willow vine]

Lol did it drop for any group members during those runs?

[balmy condor]

pissrotting priory keys

seen it twice

[dreamy rover]

HEY kind of niche question that im too lazy to sim. is it worth it to have 1 of each gem color for this gem or just run the regular gems with this?

[sick scarab]

this week priory gonna be "easy" lol

[red schooner]

I just slammed all crit mastery gems but also I'm a moron, do not follow my actions

But you'll be fine probably

[dreamy rover]

yhea i mean its not going to fix my deeply problematic rotation issues but idk i wont deny a 0.001% dps gain

[willow vine]

I’m just glad assa is fine with sub stats

[red schooner]

I will if it costs in game gold I'm fucking broke in wow

[dreamy rover]

yhea that made me pretty happy too

[willow vine]

I’m also a sub raid enjoyer but assa m+ enjoyer

[dreamy rover]

best combo

sub doesnt work too great in keys when pulling small

or pugs when CDs get messy idk I just dont enjoy it and perform badly

[willow vine]

Yeah I’m still in the 7-10 range too and they just get blown the fuck up by ele shams lmao

All I’m good for is boss dam

But assa makes me feel like I have a purpose

[red schooner]

Okay ye I'm not also wondering about blasphemite v slamming normal gems, did I fuck up now or is it so minor it ain't worth sweating over

It feels like something minor

[dreamy rover]

yhea its 1000% minor and irrelevant

but as I said, i'm just curious

might sim it if i dont get an answer

[red schooner]

Id sim it but I'm at work

So, rip

[dreamy rover]

might just replace the crit gem for speed gem

and go zoom

[runic hinge]

Okay

.15%x4 if you used one of each color is

[dreamy rover]

yhea, 0.6%

[runic hinge]

So your crits instead of 100% more damage do 100.6% more damage

[dreamy rover]

yhea

pretty fucking meaningful if youre asking me...

[runic hinge]

It wouldn’t even be .6% more dps

[dreamy rover]

hey tony

if you got offered 0.6% more dick size

would you turn it down

[runic hinge]

Probably

[dreamy rover]

alright

[runic hinge]

If it involved putting 4 gems in my dick

[stark umbra]

is our 2+2 better than 4p?

[golden loom]

(short answer yes and no)

[stark umbra]

oh yh, thnx

[dreamy rover]

wow what a useful short answer

[stark umbra]

actually was

[tawny rapids]

guys how is assas showing top dps on the wow update for Raid?

are we actaully back?

[dreamy rover]

we were never gone dude.

assassination is crazy good

[red schooner]

Read the wowhead post

[dreamy rover]

especially with these multi-target fights in new raid

[red schooner]

Where it's explained why sin is so good for the limited mythic logs we have right now

Sin still good but ye this is an outlier based on vexie specific things and limited mythic data on other bosses

[runic hinge]

I cannot read and if I could I wouldn’t do it anyways

[red schooner]

Valid

[atomic creek]

My vault is giving me the option between the 85-year tenure ring on Myth or the Mechano-Core Amplifier heroic. So I go with the trinket?

[red schooner]

What Sims better?

[atomic creek]

Trinket gives me 41.5k DPS fully upgraded, ring 11k

[balmy condor]

if I hit 5mil signet will be in the box

right

that's how it works?

[hearty reef]

Ofc

[balmy condor]

is there like a rain dance or something I can learn

wait

?????????

I opened box

got gold

[red schooner]

My brain says trinket, my heart says ring

[balmy condor]

and postmaster just sent me

a fucking trinket

[subtle tundra]

holy winner

[runic hinge]

Warbound

?

[balmy condor]

no

hero

[dreamy rover]

what the fuck

???????????????????

[subtle tundra]

pity drop

[runic hinge]

[subtle tundra]

what can you do

[dreamy rover]

literally blessed

[red schooner]

Manifested into existence

[subtle tundra]

stay winning kid

[atomic creek]

That's what I am at right now

[runic hinge]

This man paid off John blizzard for drop

[dreamy rover]

youre the goat just read it all

[red schooner]

Ye, I'd be tempted to just go with myth track but then, I know the game will spite me and I won't see a trinket until the end of season

[hearty reef]

See?

[dreamy rover]

4m overall??

what the fuck

what build you be using

[balmy condor]

varas it's even worse than that

it has avoidance

[hearty reef]

Thats a long ass bonus id

[golden loom]

Winners win

[hearty reef]

1/6

[balmy condor]

better?

[subtle tundra]

i got avoidance seaforium first day

we cool

literally 10 minutes before raid, in a key where i died 7 times