assassination

[west vortex]

Yes that’s the best craft
It’s bis

[dapper cradle]

Since we’re dry shiving now

Are we also using a drystone instead of a whetstone?

[haughty flicker]

[dapper cradle]

Fr though I’m gonna miss the creamy, wet, dripping, gushy shivs we had in season 1

[agile geode]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[acoustic roost]

it should also save you some crests when the myth track dagger drops, assuming the crafting trick still works.

[fast mural]

Ye, i hope it works,Usually blizz is not fabous about fixing bugs @acoustic roost

Famous*

[jade abyss]

dont play m+ is the trick for beeing happy?

[bronze plover]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[royal lantern]

yes

[jade abyss]

i will never be a happy rogue :<

[gusty mirage]

its okay we all make mistakes

[maiden sierra]

the only times i play m+ is during the first 3 weeks of a patch, then its back to raid logging

[timid bramble]

M+ is more fun than raid

Fight mee

[strange python]

How do I move the debuffs up above the combo points above an enemies head? thought you guys might know...not sure what add on is doing this, or if its base blizz UI

[soft surge]

this has been well estrablished thought for a number of years now

[royal lantern]

yeha sure

[soft surge]

without mythic+ raid loggers would be down in goldshire

[royal lantern]

lightz said it, so its true and real

[haughty flicker]

transmogging is more fun than either

[royal lantern]

go and reroll into not being a idiot for once

[runic hinge]

Based as hell

[proven jasper]

Killing a raid boss with the group you struggled on>doing one dinky high level key

[jade abyss]

dopamine the only thing that matters D:

[dapper cradle]

Yeah but orange number goes up

[soft surge]

not possible to enjoy both?

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-madison-adam-sandler-dont-you-say-that-dont-you-ever-say-that-gif-4705254

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/1blocked-message-discord-meme-troll-brick-wall-gif-23392632

[soft surge]

the channel is obsolete anyway. nothing to say other than bait

you have maybe 1 good expac left

[spice surge]

Where do you think it got the info from buddy

[soft surge]

why does it matter

what matters is its straight

[spice surge]

Because AI like this very very often just straightup lies

[soft surge]

haha

straight up lie

[golden loom]

Also I finally (hopefully) found the reason for my crashes, fucking discord game overlay

[haughty flicker]

"this channel is obsolete, the ai that only has information because of this channel is going to replace it"

although i think whispyr would enjoy the rest

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

[haughty flicker]

[mortal badger]

[shut canopy]

[brazen sluice]

@balmy condor hi sorry for ping but idk why the wa keeps tracking pistolshot as sub

[haughty flicker]

uh

it looks like you have all 3 specs loaded at once

[mortal badger]

seems like you have more problems than pistol shot

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[spice spire]

Spatter and shiv

[brazen sluice]

oh yeh

didint notice

how to fix that xD

[haughty flicker]

its him

mr john rogue

master of all 3 specs

[brazen sluice]

LOL

[dapper cradle]

bro is playing the matthias shaw build

imagine having flurry, nimble, and caustic rolling all at once

holy

[spice spire]

Aoe insane

[brazen sluice]

would get nerfed 100%

[spice spire]

Reload, or update your weak auras

Is my best suggestion

[brazen sluice]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

If you download the WA companion, you can update from in game

[brazen sluice]

my only problem is that im playing sub atm but i hate how fuu's wa looks , so i like whispyr's but idk if his wa is tracking all important buffs for sub

[dapper cradle]

not using zac's sub WA pack

[soft surge]

[spice spire]

You would have a sub pack you fucking bottom

Sorry you didn’t deserve that

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/this-this-is-me-polishing-your-penis-furniture-polishing-polish-gif-17299264

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/ping-me-one-more-time-gif-4142606935083504117

[dapper cradle]

haha noooo stop don't be forceful and assertive nooo haha stopppp

[spice spire]

[mortal badger]

I also use his pack, it tracks all things you need

[brazen sluice]

ty

[royal lantern]

he is either doing the lowest effort bait ever

or just stupid

and i cant tell at all

[royal lantern]

@spice spire

[spice spire]

Haha hey

[vapid crypt]

Fairly new to assa rogue, may be a dumb question but in aoe/multi target, do you try to put rupture and garrote on your other ads or just your main ad?

[spice spire]

Rupture for other adds, garrote whatever.
You spread them passively on the opener with indiscriminate carnage though

You want multiple running ruptures for energy damage and scent of blood

Initial empowered garrotes are good to spread

Dry? Not so much

[novel dragon]

Indiscriminate Carnage - under Subterfuge you will get 12s to spread. Target main, garrote and rupter now you have 3 out there. Target something with no bleeds, garrote and rupture that one. Now you have 6.

5 ruptures gives you the maximum from the agility buff as well. I think it's like 4% more agi per rupture.

At that point I'm done spreading and just smashing main target (with deathstalker's marks on)

[dapper cradle]

i love passively spreading garrotes and ruptures to shitter non-elite mobs that die in 3 seconds

[vapid crypt]

Ok so do your opener, then build combo points to put garrote and rupter on another non bleed target then continue with rotation? What do you do when your bleeds wear off in are? Do you then have to reapply all of them manually since you can't restealth mid pull?

[runic hinge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[royal lantern]

the general rule of thumb you should keep in mind is

apply bleeds to ~5 targets for energy/scent of blood stacks->proceed to ST 1 guy and cleave with spatter

[runic hinge]

refresh ruptures as needed and keep garrote on main target

[vapid crypt]

So when ruptures fall off ads other than main target, do you swap to them and put more ruptures on?

Or should the ads be dying faster than needing to refresh the ruptures

[runic hinge]

yes but generally until fairly high keys you're not gonna have to do that, it really depends on how much longer they will live

[haughty flicker]

depends on what level key you're doing and the groups dps

if the adds will live for a while then refresh, but in low keys they prob die in the first ruptures

[vapid crypt]

And it's not worth refreshing garrotes on non main target ads too correct?

[haughty flicker]

unempowered garrotes are kinda ass

[runic hinge]

right, because garrote has a cd and if it's not empowered it doesnt really do damage

[vapid crypt]

So is there really any time ur casting vanish in assa rogue? Like would that only be if you are trying to reapply rupture and empowered garrote to your ads in a longer fight? Or is it not really worth casting vanish in rotation

[novel dragon]

Vanish allows you to get empowered garrotes and ruptures out in a big spread if that's necessary but you also have the bonus crit from master assassin talent

so yea it's worth for big boom boom

[haughty flicker]

i believe every recommended build runs master assassin atm, so you'll be sending vanish near the end of kingsbane during deathmark

[novel dragon]

You want to vanish with 6s remaining on Kingsbane during deathmark

20% extra crit chance during the biggest booms sin rogue does

[vapid crypt]

Would you say assa rogue is easier to learn than sub?

[haughty flicker]

im sure there are also use cases for it in higher keys to spread empowered bleeds and stuff but i dont do keys besides weeklies

assa has an easier learning curve imo

[novel dragon]

it's ridiculously easier than sub

[haughty flicker]

once you understand sub its moment to moment gameplay isnt actually much harder at all

its just a lot to learn at first

a lot easier to understand how sin works, you just send cds together and keep bleeds up

[vapid crypt]

Can you explain a bit why you do this so I can understand?

[haughty flicker]

for this talent

to make it more likely the last ticks of your kingsbane crit

since those are the ones that do the most damage

[frozen glacier]

is it still recommended to wait on 4 set or do we get it normally now with the changes

[vapid crypt]

How come the rotation section on wowhead doesn't tell you to vanish during it to do this?

[novel dragon]

/shrug

wowhead rotations don't go that in depth in my experience

they just give you the general rotation and playstyle and move on

Kingsbane caps out at 1000% increased damage during its duration. You increase its damage done with every poison application during its window. So the last seconds of Kingsbane are mega damage- if you can get those ticks to crit that's big

[haughty flicker]

the wowhead guide does say to vanish at 6 seconds left

although i forgot its also for improved garrote

so you get another empowered garrote in during dm

[vapid crypt]

What about sub makes it more complicated?

[runic hinge]

get it

[golden loom]

Well you only do it when you have improved garrote talented -> which means you have MA talented in raid single target

[haughty flicker]

it has a lot of cds, and each have different cooldown timers and some have cdr

and you want to line them up as well as possible while also making sure they line up with secret technique every time

once you learn how they work its not bad, but its got more to learn at first

compared to sin where you have a static rotation and just 1m and 2m cds that line up naturally

[haughty flicker]

also yeah i was kind of trolling earlier, you cant have MA without having imp garrote lmao

[vapid crypt]

Aside from that, is the basic rotation simple at all or no?

[haughty flicker]

probably best for you to look at the wowhead guide and decide that for yourself

for me personally once i learned when to use cds the rotation itself isnt difficult

but i also am just starting out learning sub myself so we'll see if that holds up in raid

[slow gull]

So I’m not familiar with doing m+ but was planning to on the rogue this season. I’ve read comments and seen the negativity. It’s difficult to understand how much of that is just dooming. Realistically how hard will it be to pug on rogue up to say +7 or +10?

[chilly hound]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dapper cradle]

scuffed

[subtle tundra]

in m+ assa tops

except ST dps

where it is very low

the complaints are about raid dps

which is also very low

[haughty flicker]

that quest also bugs and doesnt give you gear from the chest

while also counting towards the 2 veteran pieces you can get each week

i love it

[dapper cradle]

incredible

[buoyant herald]

it worked fine for me when i did it on wednesday

but yeah others have reported it bugging out

not sure what causes it yet

[silk sundial]

Yeah that happened to me. I did the surge pricing weekly 1st, got my vet gear. Did that one and didn't get anything. So I only got the 1 piece of vet gear this week

[vapid terrace]

It's ok, that gear isn't worth using unless you are very fresh anyways. Don't waste stones or crests.

[maiden sierra]

i love reading about people having problems with WA, you chosse to live and die by the chinese spyware while i default ui masterrace watch as you struggle

jokes aside, i got ptsd from raid hearing people complain that "my wa broke"

[pine cloak]

hi, how much haste should i aim for minimum for deathstalker

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[royal lantern]

its not 2008 anymore pal

[runic hinge]

oh god, i must be old then

[winged sun]

blizzard buff envenom by 50%

our st is worse than a pig that plays on a footpedal on fire mage

[mighty vine]

Idk I like LEs pack. Lotta nifty trackers and stuff. I also added a lingering darkness bar for dry shiv

[slate crown]

Latest update adds lingering tracking for dry shiv as an overlap on deathmark FYI

It's not a timer bar so np if you prefer that

just if you didn't know I added it

[mighty vine]

Oh cool, I havent checked for updates yet, but good to know!

[frank axle]

is assa competitive compared to other rogues specs in raid? with actual gear optimised for assa my sub sims on ST are much higher

[balmy condor]

It’s pretty behind in ST but it’ll be fine

[frank axle]

thanks, compared to sub and outlaw?

[balmy condor]

Well you wouldn’t ever play outlaw so that’s not a concern

But yeah compared to sub not great atm

[uneven marsh]

I parse purple/orange most of the times in assa and blue on sub.

I guess the sim difference cannot counterbalance that, especially with the hastle of chasing gear with different stats.

Or is the difference that big of a deal ?

[balmy condor]

Nah

Assa will be fine

Especially with the execute dam on last 3

It just looks a little bleak on sims

[hexed frost]

I join my guild raid during social runs so raid meta is least of my worries

[subtle kiln]

Did we really hit WAs bad in here? New patch time is such a treat.

[indigo ginkgo]

did they change anything on the gem from ring ?

[subtle kiln]

Is it good enough to take the outlul players invading sub?

[buoyant herald]

Most will probably pick sub, assa is a much slower playstyle so assume the outlaw enjoyers won’t vibe as much

Although going from 85apm to 60 might be a breath of fresh air who knows

[spice surge]

Assa isnt actually that much slower than sub

[subtle kiln]

cd management isn’t exactly an outlaw thing. Assa and sub are close in speed these days.

[spice surge]

Sub is faster during cds (due to offgcd spells) but way slower outside

Overall theyre roughly the same apm

[subtle kiln]

out of dance will make people want to punch holes in walls

[golden loom]

feel like apm in wow is kinda fake anyways, I am just clicking stuff all the time anyways

[uneven marsh]

@balmy condor will you update your plater for S2 M+ ?
(does it even need to be updated ?)

[tawny rapids]

Can somsone link me the PTR Best build for m_

[buoyant herald]

Guides are updated for s2 already I believe

[subtle tundra]

the council decided i will play windwalker on wednesday 🫡

[golden loom]

happy spinkicking

[balmy condor]

Does not need to be updated and my weakauras have been updated already

Well, the plater will get an update for npc colors

Those aren’t in yet

But functionality wise there’s nothing new

[spice surge]

Jundies really do be the goat for the npc colouring

Just go into his wago and copy the script and you dont even need to redo all of your other settings

[balmy condor]

I’m using quazii for coloring

But I also have a resizer

And I’ve changed the colors on quazii

So will need a bit of effort

Not quite a copy paste

[placid adder]

does the supercharger work for you on the wa? cause it dooesnt for me

[manic coral]

would u say kb is solid again after aura buff for m+?

[balmy condor]

Not sure what you mean

[balmy condor]

lol no

[placid adder]

like on the wa the cp doesnt turn color

[balmy condor]

Correct

Is there a reason it should

[placid adder]

🤷‍♂️ its on regular Ui thought i was just missing something

[balmy condor]

Yeah but there’s no decision making based on supercharger

So there’s no reason to track it

So I don’t

[manic coral]

but would u start playing bleed build with new set or just now?

[balmy condor]

Now is fine

[haughty flicker]

never too soon to start bleedmaxxing

[balmy condor]

New tier set would hurt bleed build at 2+2

But then make it stronger again at 4

[spring pike]

💀

[undone flame]

im looking forward to the raid

[subtle tundra]

TIER LIST LETS GO

[undone flame]

well we cant allways be at the top

[gray hazel]

Do we know how much better the Weapon embelishments are compared to a double dawn setup?

[runic hinge]

WW A tier, looks like you swap

[undone flame]

wait aff in a? did thay do somthing with them?

[pliant remnant]

the chad outlaw enjoyer vs the virgin assa sufferer

[subtle tundra]

it was already decided

[buoyant herald]

They got a pretty chunky buff last round of tuning

[undone flame]

ahh good for them im just relly used to see them at the lowest

[buoyant herald]

Yeah, it’s my favourite lock spec but it’s usually just harder to play for worse results than Destro

Or demo these days tbh

[undone flame]

yea i did plan to play lock in tww but friend asked him if i coude join him as rogue and yea here i am xd

[buoyant herald]

God it was glorious back in eternal palace

Assa rogue is just melee afflock don’t @ me

[runic hinge]

[tight sparrow]

Is this tierlist with the 4% buff in mind ?

[hot field]

Do you all have some recommended videos on how to understand/sim your character for smooth brains (like myself)?

I go there, and I see a fuck ton of options, and I'm like, wut?

[gusty mirage]

No because it looks like max roll and max roll’s wow content is fucking trash

Which is why they dumped a ton of money on Echo to help bring it any relevancy

[polar sleet]

Assa is like B-tier

[balmy condor]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[balmy condor]

It’s written

Let me get you a decent video

[hot field]

https://tenor.com/view/mvp-gif-22343318

[balmy condor]

https://youtu.be/asH3fFN2PDc?si=t0baAmNwZ0CwumQN

This is good for the interface basics and stuff

You’ll need to use top gear for any comparison

[spice spire]

Marcelian online

[balmy condor]

But at least for like how it works and all the settings and stuff

that’ll get you going

[gusty mirage]

Good dudes

[balmy condor]

In general we recommend 1 target 5 min patchwerk for raid

And dungeonslice for m+

[spice spire]

Yeah I forget they exist

Glad to see they’re still around

[hot field]

Awesome! Much appreciate! Should wait for a video from you, eh??

[spice spire]

Pookie video when

[balmy condor]

Pookie video

Maybe if I can find time

[spice spire]

Another video where I can ask when the pissboy shoutout is

[balmy condor]

Need to record the m+ giga guide and stuff

And then also record it German

And then also the raid guide

And in German

And then update video that I haven’t done for the trinket/circlet tuning

And maybe then sim guide idk

But also week 1 key spam is going to obliterate me

Very much content no have time

[strange python]

I didn’t know ur doing German guides

[balmy condor]

We gonna try it this patch

And see if it’s worth

I had enough people asking that it seemed at least worth the attempt

[tepid night]

we will rally all of germany, so you need to continue forever 😄

[strange python]

It is the German community really only watches German guides (obv not all of them but a lot of them do)

[neat umbra]

Anyone have a recc'd resource for learning about the bleed build? Always thought that it was like- shenans for top 1% gamers, not average andys like me, but i cant say im not curious

esp if people are serious about it being good this season

[haughty flicker]

what is hiya in german

[balmy condor]

Bleed build is usually for people doing low keys

But it got buffed and our st already sucks

[neat umbra]

my best key last season was a +7 so :'''''''''')

[balmy condor]

So people are considering it for the aoe

[neat umbra]

im uber casual lol

[balmy condor]

Yeah then build is for you

[strange python]

I can’t wait for you to say Meuchel Schurke

Gesetzlosigkeit Schurke

[balmy condor]

Bleed build has been a staple for tiny keys for a while cause sudden demise and the bleed damage

[strange python]

Täuschungs Schurke

[neat umbra]

ahh okok so maximizing the execute value of SD?

[balmy condor]

Am Anfang natürlich erstmal Hinterhalt ziehen für todespirscher, danach erst erdrosseln

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it’s also faster ramp time

[strange python]

Idk how people play the game set to German

They also talk wow in German

Shits crazy

[neat umbra]

And generally rotation + gameplay loop follows more or less standard assa priorities, just different talents + no kb windows?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[neat umbra]

if so, less complicated than i convinced myself it was LOL

[balmy condor]

It’s actually easier than normal builds yeah

Kinda baby’s first assa build

[neat umbra]

my brain somehow went "this is hemorrhage all over again"

[maiden sierra]

im wondering if i should be using hybrid or full bleed when season drops, have any of the high pushing sin rogue players come to a conclusion whenever its viable or troll?

i know that some people are trying it out currently, but what i want to know is how does it feel so far

[neat umbra]

and ig my last question would be, if i push higher keys this season, where does it seem like bleed starts to fall off? +10?

[grave ruin]

Is the hybrid build with sanguine blades still the go to? I saw alot of variations last season but for myself I never found a build that felt better than that and idk in that situations the others would be better in 10 and above.

Was told by someone that sudden demise was just a bait talent even tho it didn't execute anything it still did a bit of dmg and the bleed increase is quite nice too

[spice surge]

15% bleed damage is good

[strange python]

It’s definitely not bait

[spice surge]

Sims assume it never executes anything, and its simming very very well

[haughty flicker]

we love demise maxxing here

[grave ruin]

Yeah cause I feel like it feels great to play with but I didn't get a ton of build testing since I didn't play my rogue first half of the season

But the builds without it felt bad

[lone minnow]

perhaps a very dumb question but, between bubbling wax, whetstone and mana oil, what is best to put on weps?

[grave ruin]

I think whetstone was the recommended one last season atleast, probably still is

[royal lantern]

the punishment for revealing that you can speak german

[spice spire]

Whetstone

[neat umbra]

Also, and continuning on the theme of "i might be dumb" - is there a reason we don't hit deathmark as second gcd in opener so that your initial garrote and rupture can be duplicated?

during subterfuge/MA ofc

[iron carbon]

Wax + stone

[royal lantern]

2x stone

idk why the guy said wax lol

[haughty flicker]

wax is for poor people

(it me im poor)

[iron carbon]

Cause I saw Whispyr tell that few weeks ago

[royal lantern]

stones cost nothing anymore

[haughty flicker]

i have nothing

[iron carbon]

Can't remember context

[haughty flicker]

actually i havent checked stone prices in like 2 months

so maybe my nothing is now enough

[iron carbon]

But I guess you can just sim

[iron carbon]

Cause it duplicates poisons also, so you want an envenom already running when you press it.

[neat umbra]

Makes perfect sense tyty

[iron carbon]

And already applied dots are duplicated also

[neat umbra]

Ohhhh I see

It's just anything that the Deathmark buff sees "as applied" while it's active, not newly applied

english is my second and only language

[iron carbon]

Exactly

[neat umbra]

Rad ty for your help!

[iron carbon]

Uw

[peak bobcat]

is crafted dagger bis next tier again?

[dapper cradle]

tyler tucci with that boipucci

[balmy condor]

Start of season definitely should be bleed imo just cause bosses won’t be huge pain points I think, like the main appeal of playing hybrid or Cleave is you get big boss/prio, which shouldn’t matter for vault keys

[balmy condor]

People were playing it in 15’s last season and it got buffed so I don’t think you need to worry

[balmy condor]

It’s the recommended still as a general overall build yes. Cleave leans single target heavy, bleed leans aoe heavy

[balmy condor]

[dapper cradle]

whisp how'd you end up learning german

exchange program in uni or something?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[peak bobcat]

ty

[haughty flicker]

exchanged with german parents at birth

[balmy condor]

Yeah exchange student of talking to my parents

[dapper cradle]

thanks for clarifying

[balmy condor]

And then exchange student of going to a German school until high school

[dapper cradle]

are you gonna add it to the wowhead guide?

[balmy condor]

And then ending up in high school failing my entrance exams

Cause I didn’t know any of the terms in English

So they put me in remedial math

And I obliterated everything obviously

[pastel roost]

@balmy condor quick question about your WA, is it normal that the 2 supercharged combo do not appear either in Assassination or Sub ?

[balmy condor]

And then had to get transferred up 6 classes

Really cringe actually

[dapper cradle]

and then everyone clapped

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[balmy condor]

Correct

[inland dirge]

my goat TC was placed in remedial math is this cause for concern

[haughty flicker]

when i transferred high schools they didnt accept half the classes from my previous school because they had different names

so i had to retake them but the teacher let me sleep through them

[dapper cradle]

i speak german but I don't understand it

[balmy condor]

Remedial math in English, I was excellent in math in German

So you can trust my theorycrafting in German

But if you ever read English math we’re cooked

[inland dirge]

danke for putting my mind at ease, king

[peak bobcat]

the numbers mason

what do they mean

[maiden sierra]

yeah but me and the gang are planing to go for some cheeky early 10s for gear and crests before raid, do you reccon that bleed build would still be a good option?

btw sorry for late reply, was working on a report

[vocal bone]

hey i have issue for for loading the WA's package i cannot put it on the interface anyone have any clue? i checked in loading seeing nothing suspicious it's foreverguy's wa's anyone can help?

[haughty flicker]

just tell them you're going afk on boss fights and its fine

[maiden sierra]

real

got a whole death pact going, 4am - 10pm gaming session

[haughty flicker]

[maiden sierra]

our raid lead is soo going to be pissed off at us lmao

[balmy condor]

Yes

[maiden sierra]

king

here is your crown 👑

[nova aspen]

any1 know if whispyr made a season 2 plater profile yet?

[neat umbra]

#assassination message

[strange python]

did assa rota in AOE change massively on PTR vs live?

or rather 11.0.5 and 11.1

[buoyant herald]

I don’t think it’s changed at all

[strange python]

genuinely?

[buoyant herald]

Are you looking at something that makes you think it would change?

[onyx scroll]

that +4% damage aura changed a lot

peak rogue dev change

[cerulean nest]

did jundies move to instant dollars?

[brazen sluice]

??????

[haughty flicker]

Huh

Are they trying to add rdps to logs?

Or sims rather

[brazen sluice]

dunno

[balmy condor]

How many targets

8.8 seems reasonable for single target I think on Aug

[haughty flicker]

Oh they’ve had rdps for a while now then, that’s the part I was confused about

I’m an ethical gamer I don’t interact with augs

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It’s raid dps

[nova aspen]

nice

ty

[haughty flicker]

Yeah ik, I’m just only used to seeing it in ffxiv

But I probably should’ve realized they’d just do the same thing here

[thorn thorn]

Keep it that way

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[odd jacinth]

Where can I find the bleed build?

[jade abyss]

so no skippers anymore says the pin D:

[haughty flicker]

why is valeera stepping on sir finley mrrgglton

and can i be next

[vale lantern]

how far behind is the bleed build compared to the kingsbane build

[brazen sluice]

wtf is this pvp

[jade abyss]

This is the bleedbuils from uwucutegirl here from yesterday

[static glacier]

nah, pvp runs iron wire

[odd jacinth]

Thx. Lmao no KB at all

[slate crown]

!wa @night bison LE collection here

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[radiant snow]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[half skiff]

any tips for zekvir ?? ? He's chunking out the gate

[silk sundial]

Healer bran, stagger his healing potions. Kick zekvir's heal, dispel the slow using cloak or vanish if bran doesn't have his dispel ready

[radiant otter]

evasion -> stealth -> pull

[silk sundial]

Lol and when bran goes down, cause he will, try to save cloak for that dispel. If bran is down and you vanish the slow zekvir will reset

[sacred schooner]

actually not bad advice for evasion, he 2shot me several times at pull with crits

[half skiff]

any particular setup for bran?

[vital bison]

thanks for the tips guys (Elv is my husband haha), I'm just frustrated

I can't seem to progress very far because he just chunks me. I can get the ads down okay, I interrupt the heal and the dispell even hasn't really been a problem, I just get hit so hard

[sacred schooner]

what ilvl?

[vital bison]

622

[sacred schooner]

i did it when i was 624 if lower will be too hard

you need to get some gear 🙂 thats way too low

maybe pick shield from brann then

if farm is not an option

and try to get 2 heal orbs first and third after sometime so hot will last longer

[vital bison]

I will probably just admit defeat this late in the season; I thought I'd give it some tries but the damage alone is what's hurting me. But I do appreciate the advice

[sacred schooner]

there is no damage outside his melee hits

[vital bison]

Yea, that's all haha. It's just three hits and I'm pretty much dead

[sacred schooner]

😄 i died several times on pull so can relate yeah

[radiant otter]

the haste/dmg up/down arrow one + earthmother shield worked the best for me and seemed to be what other people were suggesting

[vital bison]

I will try that, thank you!

[sacred schooner]

now brann also gives dr with hot i think

[vital bison]

Respectfully, brann's a little bitch lol

[radiant otter]

you should evasion->stealth->pull imo on pull because it's one of the few times he's guaranteed to be meleeing you and the crits can be deadly

[vital bison]

I feel like I'm wasting it if I pop it right out the gate but you're probably right

[radiant otter]

yeah the 4th potion might be good now with the damage reduction from it, i always used that for normal delves

[vital bison]

since, when I do die quickly, it's always those first few punches

[sacred schooner]

you can do that 🙂 just keep on trying, took me 128 pulls

[radiant otter]

i definitely died sometimes because he decided to just crit me twice but it comes back up during the fight and much of the fight he's casting or you'll have brann pots available

[sacred schooner]

? for example i killed from first try

[jade abyss]

?? annoyes me a bit bcs brann is always dead x) specially in p2

[runic hinge]

Yeah I think they changed the scaling this week

[vital bison]

bro was dead in the first 40 seconds of this last pull i did lol

[runic hinge]

So he dies insta to the aoe

[vital bison]

I already had beef with him and now THIS

[radiant otter]

also definitely play double vanish if you aren't because having the extra dispel from it can be necessary and the heal it gives can also be a lifesaver. you shouldn't need the damage from another spec

[silk sundial]

What level is your bran as well?

[vital bison]

33 I think?

I admittedly haven't played much in the last few months; I just came back to finish up my KSM and then try this

[silk sundial]

Bran was 35 when I did it so that should be fine. I honestly haven't touched delves in months.

[vital bison]

I hate delves as a rogue

makes me so sad lol

[vital flicker]

I am going to need a video for the 4% assassination buff, I just don't know how to play anymore

[jade abyss]

With ilvl its okay but i dont see any benefit from it to play it higher than 8. I play it one time on 12 to proof i can beat 12 by my own and never go in on this level anymore

[zenith elm]

On highest delves it will drop the mythic equivalent for the crest

[jaunty sparrow]

anyone have a way to do nameplates for tracking dots that doesn't involve using icons attached to them? I always miss with those. on sub I only have one to track and I change the plate color for that. But that seems hard to scale to 4.

[jade abyss]

Its not interesting for me bcs i play m+

@zenith elm

[jaunty sparrow]

was thinking I could do color for one, hatch pattern for another...could hatch the other way I guess? dunno if plater really supports hatch patterns

[zenith elm]

I mean, you can do it fast but also solo so if you need to be AFK its worth it

[zenith elm]

What kind of weakauras are you using for your abilities ?

[jaunty sparrow]

Le's

[subtle crown]

How is assassination looking for raid this next patch?

[zenith elm]

For prog, always good

[young flint]

out of the 3 specs of rogue, is assassination the easiest?

got a level 70 rogue and wanna main it this season. new player here as well. like 80% of the classes 70+ level

[hardy rapids]

To me outlaw is the easiest but that’s just a personal opinion

[balmy condor]

it does support hatch patterns but you'd probably need to set that up yourself

hatch patterns are pretty uncommon

[dapper cradle]

outlaw easier than sin? idk about that one chief

[balmy condor]

and when they are, it's for like focus targets and stuff

not core rotation

[jaunty sparrow]

yeah. most ppl use icons. I was wondering if someone out there has something that isn't icon based for tracking the dots, that I could get inspiration from

[sonic schooner]

if u think maintening dots is hard, then assa is hard
if u think maintening cd aligned is hard, then sub is hard
if u think going crazy apm fast reaction to procc is hard, then outlaw is hard.

[balmy condor]

I don't have a specific example on hand, but I think the most common alternate would be re-coloring them

[jaunty sparrow]

yeah. I re-color for rupture for sub alreadyt

just doesn't quite scale to all of assassin's dots, unless I'm missing how ppl do it

[balmy condor]

some people will do like blue for gar, red for rupture, purple if it has both

[jaunty sparrow]

I've seen a plater profile (quazii) that has some textures outside the bar itself, that could be promising too

[sonic schooner]

i ve green bar for caustic target, purple outline for ruptures, and i dont really color for garrots, usually i go by feeling

[balmy condor]

yeh that's fine too

[mighty vine]

I use https://wago.io/398Lv0cuq

[sonic schooner]

Ceverion platers always carried me for pandemics

[jade abyss]

I use the quazi one and from whisp a string for caustic and ds mark but often the quazi one overwrite the colours x x

[jaunty sparrow]

plater is pretty interesting overall but I have a lot less experience hacking it than weakauras, it didn't exist the last time I played

I did fixate auras last season with weakauras, but if my guild asks again I'll try to do it in plater as a way to learn it

[sonic schooner]

doing the easy stuff is easy with plater, but when it becomes advanced i m just lost Well i never really tried to learn it that much, i go by ceverion's plater since early SL and it suits me perfectly

[mighty vine]

I only track Mark, spatter + mark, spatter, kingsbane, kingsbane + shiv

(with that plater mod)

[balmy condor]

@inland dirge I have to fix my plater I'm afraid

[inland dirge]

understandable the drifting will continue at a later date

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/drift-gif-26311209

[inland dirge]

KJ drift team going crazy

[balmy condor]

fr

[inland dirge]

[balmy condor]

holy the combo emote returns

[hardy rapids]

Yeah that’s why it’s a personal opinion. I personally from my personal experience think it’s easier and have had a generally easier time

[dapper cradle]

i simply refuse to accept this

[balmy condor]

/wa

fuck

[hollow river]

lol

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/get-rotated-get-rotated-idiot-rotate-rotation-shark-gif-24511062

[gilded dune]

https://tenor.com/view/car-drive-fast-speeding-hurry-gif-13910386

[zenith elm]

How we doing guys?

[gilded dune]

drifing is fun in the mines, b/c you really can go non stop, and hit boost on cd

[zenith elm]

Is it that fun to do?

[gilded dune]

you can do it while driving straight, might be unintended but it's easy to get gold on all the races, and I prefer it to skyriding around while my brain is afk

[elfin valley]

how do u do it going straight?

[gilded dune]

you use a strafe key before you start moving forward

tap the bandbrake and boost

[haughty flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[jade abyss]

I want to post whisp gamble video again x)

[dapper cradle]

@spice spire haha look they put your nickname in the game

[haughty flicker]

[spice spire]

Actually that’s the name I gave ur pops

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-laughing-reverse-reverse-card-reverse-uno-gif-3758578067338957449

[keen glade]

did they fix the t-set bug for Sin rogues going into 11.1?

[hollow river]

Yeah

[rotund oak]

Ngl,undermine looks fun

drifting through the city for shippin'

[cerulean nest]

what is this Mechano-Core Amplifier trinket

does it come from delves?

[balmy condor]

yes

[cerulean nest]

huh I dont see it on droptomizer

[golden loom]

i love the car

[rotund oak]

its fun and all and theyve put the scrap heaps from one side to the other and the events and all so u can drift

all calculated

and the rares,ez solo'd

dont need an entire tribe of mongols to assist

i like it,im more hyped for the raid tbh,it looks even funnier

[rotund oak]

kinda irrelevant question but we dont rly wanna rush a specific goblin cartel aight?

nothing to gain for early power

[zenith elm]

Is the eye of kezan still relevant for m+ or only for raids ?

Or is mechano-core amplifier bis in raid too ?

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

it's cosmetics mate

[balmy condor]

kezan post nerfs kinda bad in m+

the stacks dropping were gonna be an issue

but it's not even that great anymore

[slate crown]

Bottomless noggenfogger from steam

[rotund oak]

trying ur group for now

no short comings

[vestal cliff]

Do you guys think its smart to delay deathmark on Vexie for the increased dmg phase? Does someone know the timings on the boss from testing?

[balmy condor]

should just line up

[umbral cypress]

raid buff idea give everyone pickpocket abilty making boss mad. take 5% more dam

[rotund oak]

typical pirate thought process

[vestal cliff]

Nicee ty

[native birch]

Quick question about Sudden Demise.
When it's calculating the damage to execute, does it factor in bleed damage amps like Arterial Precision and Zoldyck Recipe, or just the base damage of the bleed?

[balmy condor]

it factors it in

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/mondays-garfield-i-hate-mondays-garfield-hate-mondays-monday-feeling-gif-15233904402352358567

[subtle tundra]

can you do tc for ww just for me

dont trust those people... heard the ww guy was playing rogue and shiii

[earnest remnant]

spin

[subtle tundra]

no more crane stacks feel weird

[blazing pumice]

nearly finished ffvii rebirth, do i slip back into wow? 😥

[subtle tundra]

Bruh why does every class get a passive huge dr

20% dr to phys? wtf

[hollow river]

doesn't this stack to like 90%

[subtle tundra]

i just thought it was to 20% wtf

thats just op

thats why in top i was taking 0 dmg

(ptr key)

[hollow river]

it's only for 1 attack at a time but yeah

[gray raven]

anyone have a good list of things we can meld in S2?

[dapper cradle]

20% phys dr every 4 seconds

[rotund oak]

yo man,do u play classic?

[hollow river]

it's 10% every 4

stacking up to 9 times iirc

[subtle tundra]

no never

[dapper cradle]

oh mb mb

misread that shit

[rotund oak]

seen a varas yday,farming rank 11,thuoght i should ask

cool cool

[subtle tundra]

the top mobs that duel, do a shout that does a lot of dmg
i was taking 0 dmg

fucking op ass passive

holy

[rare isle]

We can now use WW monks to taunt/soak tank busters? 🙂

[subtle tundra]

holy

[empty hinge]

@balmy condor recommend me a energy drink for Wednesday m+ farm

Monster red bull or something else

[subtle tundra]

the delve one

[empty hinge]

Which one is that

The trinket drink

[rotund oak]

bro should be sponsored

little something something

[balmy condor]

it's a monster zero angle

red bull has too much sugar, red bull sugar free tastes like piss

prime is kinda fine as a drink but that would mean giving logan paul money

[zenith elm]

I'm a white monster enjoyer

But i'll take a sugar free mango loco all day for this kind of farm.

[subtle tundra]

is the color of the drink based on the can aswel??

like if you pour it in a glass

[balmy condor]

no

[cedar iron]

Drinking monster from a glass is just wrong

[earnest remnant]

think im unironically gonna chug a preworkout at 7:30am wednesday

surely that carries me into the day well

[subtle tundra]

🤨

[balmy condor]

call me preworkout

[subtle tundra]

this will be the first time ever i dont degen m+ first day starting from the morning

no longer main rogue...

am i changing chat

[earnest remnant]

Assa otp*

[subtle tundra]

ill have you know i have progged as sub before

my first ever HoF was on sub

[earnest remnant]

all of mine are as sub

we are not the same

[subtle tundra]

thats how it is when your spec is universally good..

[earnest remnant]

i deserve it after what i had to go through in bfa

[subtle tundra]

just watch me have to gear rogue in week 3 cause assa op on last boss

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297199640931991648/1310434269478391809/tuuh.gif

[earnest remnant]

sub tier

trust

[subtle tundra]

i dont like current sub

unintuitive

asf

[earnest remnant]

unless they nerf us again, in week 1

[subtle tundra]

nothing i read about it makes me want to play sub

[earnest remnant]

it is fun to play

it sorta plays itself now

[zenith elm]

Really? Never tried it, it seems cluncky

[hardy dagger]

The most infuriating part of sub is transmitter...

[buoyant herald]

you either don't have it and suck, or you do and hate pressing CDs

[bronze pike]

i keep confusing u for oxi

cause i dont see orange names talk as much

[earnest remnant]

im very chatty

wdym

[bronze pike]

idk

i think i just online and chatty when oxi is chatty

more than i am online when your chatty

[iron carbon]

What do you find so unintuitive? I find it really handy now, compared to DF

[static glacier]

idk man, having to hold dance / send naked sod feels off

also while it wasn't loved by all I do miss shadowdust

[subtle tundra]

sending naked secret technique

someone send me

[iron carbon]

I don't like the use of vanish as absolute offensive cd on every spec tbh. And you hold dance for cds as it always been, no?

[runic hinge]

So many symbols charges but you never go to zero

[iron carbon]

Maybe I didn't play the spec enough to be bother by this

[runic hinge]

Dance sometimes but not when stuff is coming up but it’s not exact

[earnest remnant]

also you do go to 0 SoDs when you send your 1x leftover one for the fight

[runic hinge]

Oh true

[ocean fable]

I've tried it past two weeks after playing assa last season, once you like up the nuke phases and are patient with the downtime it isn't too bad. Feels really nice when you've popped everything and your numbers shoot up.

I prefer the dot/crit nature of assa, I think. We'll see after the tuning.

[iron carbon]

I feel like 3 specs are close. I think it will be sub if sham in party, sin if not and ol for dummies

[soft surge]

not playing deathstalker is what puts sub ahead

[iron carbon]

@balmy condor Just to tell you mate, there's a little mistake in trinket explanation on wowhead

With all my love

[weary spear]

How so

[subtle tundra]

just say you wanna fuck him

[iron carbon]

I would prefer make love with you

[subtle tundra]

meow

[balmy condor]

thanks

[sharp viper]

you mean you can go on auto pilot and brain afk?

[real pike]

Do cooldowns line up nicer now or is it still awkward?

[spiral escarp]

Hey guys, the wowhead guide talents for m+ now suggests sudden demise instead of twist the knife. Why is that, given we haven’t had any changes since s1?

[hollow river]

We have had changes

[spice surge]

Sudden demise was changed to 15% instead of 10%

[hollow river]

Mainly just buffs and not functional changes

[spiral escarp]

Oh I see, is there a list with changes?
The guide suggests there are none:

[subtle tundra]

just numbers changing

nothing else

[spice surge]

It should probably say "no major changes"

[subtle tundra]

so basically no changes

[hollow river]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-undermine-d-official-patch-notes-373971

[subtle tundra]

and those numbers dont really mean anything

[hollow river]

Yep

A talent swap here or there

[spiral escarp]

Thanks. I think I saw some 4% buff, but nothing specific otherwise. Will check out this.

[spiral escarp]

Yes, but it seems it affects talent choices 🙂

[swift sparrow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[subtle tundra]

it doesnt

[spiral escarp]

Well that is why I asked in the first place. Why we take sudden demise now instead of twist the knife

[subtle tundra]

you always could

there has to be a set of talents recommended

but you can swap shit around

[spiral escarp]

Yes, of course. But it wasn’t recommended before and since I haven’t played for the last month I was curious why it is now, but as it turns out it got buffed. So not just a random change.

[hollow river]

I mean he isn’t wrong

In m+ SD was already being played by some

There’s like 10 different talent variations you can play in m+

[spiral escarp]

Yea, but in higher keys it wasn’t good. At least that was my experience. But now maybe it is worth it to swap to it.

I will give it a try 🙂

[subtle tundra]

sure it got better

[runic hinge]

I wish I got better

[balmy condor]

the guide never recommended twist the knife

just for the record

you can still play it if you'd like, but there's no change in that meta gaming

all the talent builds stayed the same, it's just community perception changed and some slight number tweaking

[midnight mist]

wtf new pin

nvm bro is jsut farming engagement

clickbait

[balmy condor]

There’s new shit in there or else I wouldn’t have changed the pin and forced the red dot back for people

[midnight mist]

Nice try buddy

Not falling for your tricks

[spice surge]

Pookies stay losing

No video yet

[subtle tundra]

he doesnt even play tricks

[midnight mist]

I'm gonna make a react video

To the new pin

[midnight mist]

Where is the pin changelog whispyr

[drifting cloud]

jokes on u I cant read anyways

[midnight mist]

I can't be reading all that

[pastel apex]

so how perform assa in new patch??

[golden loom]

Not bad, completed all the quests without any major issues

[hearty reef]

st CT

bwuh

[pastel apex]

i was talking about raid lol

[radiant raven]

Raid isn't out yet

[royal lantern]

pls read

[hearty reef]

if i didnt read

how would i have jumped to that conclusion

[lost wharf]

Is there a recommended skill tree that doesn't have amp poison?

[balmy condor]

Yes

Bleed build exists

[lost wharf]

Ah true. I haven't actually ever tried them really.

[vestal cliff]

we can get our first spark next week right?

[pastel apex]

people already know everything probably

[radiant raven]

Well if they do can they tell me the lottery numbers with their ability to forsee the tuning and changes.

[balmy condor]

Gallywix is already dead

Race over

Thanks for watching

[hearty reef]

good ending?

skip altogether patch?

[radiant raven]

Damn. Did he get assassinated or like, fall down some stairS?

[balmy condor]

Idk ask the mystery people that know everything

Cause I don’t

[radiant raven]

Maybe he tripped down the big hole in his arena

[hearty reef]

bro slackered during ptr

[red schooner]

Heart attack, guy doesn't look like he does cardio

[radiant raven]

True

[balmy condor]

He got void feet up his ass

Straight kicked him to the curb

[radiant raven]

Damn, a dangerous risk of doing business with ethereals.

[balmy condor]

Should start a gambling app where people can put gold on wether or not we see toes in a cinematic

Million dollar idea

[radiant raven]

Genius

[subtle tundra]

me?

[radiant raven]

I put 5 gold on we get to see GALLYWIX'S toes

[balmy condor]

That’s bold

[radiant raven]

Green gremlin toes.

[balmy condor]

Us

[hearty reef]

10M next cinematic has xala's werewolves

[balmy condor]

Put me down for 150k that the bat lady gets some toe time

[hearty reef]

who?

[red schooner]

What are we classing as toe time here for the bet? Like, do they have to be front and centre or does any brief glimpse of toe count?

[sick mantle]

I dont do much dps on single target. Anyone got a tip ?

[subtle tundra]

play something else

[red schooner]

Got any logs you can link us or anything specific? Hard to advise given no info

[iron carbon]

You look salty ahaha

I believe you don't want to play sub for prog

[sick mantle]

Will link later.

Just came from sub to try sin out

Might to back to sub

[subtle tundra]

?

what

ive been telling people to play something else for the whole of s1

when they complained about ST

[iron carbon]

Oh mb then

[blazing pumice]

what key combination do i need to press to not be energy starved

[subtle tundra]

my swap to ww is purely for raid progress at a high WR

cause it matters

[blazing pumice]

surely world first raiders are using secret tech

[balmy condor]

Triangle start A B A B up left down right

[red schooner]

No keys hit =no energy spent

The only winning move is not to play

[subtle tundra]

A L T F 4
press at the same time

GOD I LOVE FOOD NEED A CUTE GF TO COOK ME HOT MEALS

[red schooner]

[blazing pumice]

i just eat salads every day

[balmy condor]

I cast vanish and rupture and now my character is walking left

[blazing pumice]

no cooking skills required

[subtle tundra]

yeah but do you have more energy now?

[balmy condor]

No I’m just sad

[subtle tundra]

well salad with chicken breast + cheese for protein is bis

[blazing pumice]

next step is you go vegetarian tho

[subtle tundra]

no i like eating animals

they dont have feelings

[balmy condor]

Call me animals

[subtle tundra]

you have feelings

i can make you feel

[balmy condor]

You could fix me

[hearty reef]

Untrue and cringe

My kitty loves me

😭

At least i think

[devout mist]

a whole 2000 calories love u?

[maiden sierra]

I see flirting online with strangers is the norm for sin rogues

Here i thought i was weird

https://tenor.com/view/poland-princess-polish-nationalist-anime-gif-12208037732916970356

[fervent badge]

!macro

[royal lantern]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[royal lantern]

only macro assa uses

[wicked axle]

Tricks of the Trade? 😄

[zenith elm]

Nice

[wicked axle]

Has anyone managed to get the auto misdirect WA work on rogue? Apparently it should work but I cannot get it right

[oblique sorrel]

4% buff incoming

[main monolith]

Assa is back

[peak bobcat]

Never left

[subtle tundra]

really curious about the tuning today!

[pliant remnant]

WE ARE SO BARACK

[royal lantern]

why would i macro a ussules talent im not taking anyway

[outer kernel]

what tuning u talking about?

[subtle tundra]

today

[runic terrace]

Sooo about the dry shiv: Not during opener/CD I guess but between, so the first KB after opener, next then normal with CDs during KB, next dry shiv and so on?

[royal lantern]

ye

[rocky zodiac]

Is not autoproccing tea and playing around envenom uptime truly 0% gain, or do we talk about 0,X% and therefore not for casual gameplay/QoL?

[royal lantern]

basically no double shiv for non CD Kingsbane

[wicked axle]

Fair

[royal lantern]

0,X% is literally no gain

0,3% is margain of error lol

[rocky zodiac]

i mean for 0,5 i play around it

[royal lantern]

its 0,4, and you would lose more dmg trying to play around it

thats true for almost all those 0,x% things

[rocky zodiac]

now that makes more sense. So playing around it is a gain, but fucking up by playing around it is a loss, so dont play around it

[royal lantern]

its just

0,4% if you would do it 100% perfect

but in reality you probs start to lose envenom casts

[rocky zodiac]

alright gotcha. thanks 👍

Just trying to be at my best at seasonstart cause im switching to sin in the new tier from outlaw

[grim jay]

I still play around envenom uptime, because you can barely fuck it up

the tea thing is ew

[humble verge]

we are over sub in petkos final.final.final.final.v30898 preseason tier list.final.final

but also, is there any prio damage in that dps group in S

[violet hemlock]

I mean fire can pyro instead of flamestrike right. 😄

[inland escarp]

I think vdh actually has decent prio as well

[violet hemlock]

And disc is mainly st aswell tho healer dmg 😦

[sharp viper]

Lul

[subtle tundra]

ele

[spice spire]

Tier lists

[grim jay]

kinda doubt sin will be "better" than sub

on the higher end

[grim jay]

and petko

[spice spire]

This is propaganda

Smdh

[grim jay]

shaking my dickhead?

[grim jay]

no, love the sinners, its just a gutfeeling due to profile

[spice spire]

Think the ST is a major issue for sin, seems like there’s a decent amount of large pulls where sin seems like it’ll excel

But memes aside sub looks a bit better to me subjectively

[modest karma]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hearty reef]

https://tenor.com/view/oliver-twist-gif-26543489

Another 4%?

[kind forge]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[kind forge]

@ebon crane

[ebon crane]

Thanks bro

[ebon crane]

Do you actualy use once ?

[dapper cradle]

what if we kissed on the kaja cola coast

[upper wraith]

how we feelin fellow assa bros?

[runic terrace]

FoK in ST is still a thing with Deathstalkers Mark proccs?

[wanton spear]

Is the m+bleed the build with no kb?

[maiden sierra]

Yes

[maiden sierra]

Yes

[wanton spear]

@maiden sierra ty

[heavy junco]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[onyx linden]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[brazen sluice]

where can i get the new m+ or st raid talents?

[warm vortex]

Tbh i know this is most likely innacurate but having such a mass of specs in the 2nd highest tier is healthy imo
I think if this were true, the balancing of some classes like hunter is questionable but overall it looks good

Once again this most likely isnt it anyhow haha

[tawdry root]

Is it worth macro’ing thistle tea to shiv even if it may overcap my energy? Or should I just let thistle tea auto pop when I’m low energy?

[humble verge]

mastery

[tawdry root]

Yeah I just keep hearing that the dps gain from the mastery is so small so I wasn’t sure if losing out on that extra energy if I overcap is a dps loss

[humble verge]

idrc, ive just macro'd it since like week 4 into expac and never looked back

makes it better to have 1 less bind on my bars

which is already full as is

[prime scaffold]

@slate crown ty for your weakaura pack! i'm trying to figure out - what are the tea ticks on the energy bar at 70, 40, and 25?

[slate crown]

There should only be 2 ticks

There used to be ticks on the bar for some older logic but there should only be 2 in the more recent versions

Tea mark onthe energy bar is mostly a relic of previous logic but it's still fine imo. It's the energy below which you can cast tea without capping, it only shows up when you have shiv active (which is when you use tea)

If you use the tea+shiv macro everyone uses you can ignore this

or delete the tick

[prime scaffold]

perfect, thank you!

serisouly this WA is so good

[slate crown]

[vestal cliff]

is it a big dmg loss if you shiv + deathmark + kingsbane instead of deathmark + shiv + kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

Probably not

But the sequence isn’t really hard so might as well do it properly

[humble verge]

have you seen this @balmy condor this is insane

[grim jay]

fucking nuggets

[humble verge]

no, i like eating them

[grim jay]

I used to

but I've ascended

I exclusively buy chicken strips now

[rain berry]

the ring is nerfed now or when season begins?

[grim jay]

hotfixed iirc

but season also starts tomorrow

[humble verge]

is it not tenders?

[grim jay]

nah, too many calories

no crust needed

[odd wolf]

which one is best for raids assa or sub?

[nocturne quail]

Havoc DH

[raw cedar]

Guys I have been a bit out of the loop on S2 - what's the expected strongest spec for Raid - M+?

[spice spire]

Based based based based

[hollow river]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[hollow river]

[golden loom]

trying to troubleshoot my crashes since nothing seems to fix them, and realized now how dumb normal plates look with all the debuffs

[grim jay]

plottwist, I'm 400 calories short of 2800, which is my current goal with a 500 deficit

and I have no idea what to eat

I'm stuffed

[spice spire]

Buddy I’m about to stuff you

But also

Cutting about 800 off

But still 1400 more

[balmy condor]

BULKING SEASON

[grim jay]

800 cut is rough

[spice spire]

Honestly

It’s not that bad

[subtle tundra]

first part of tuning coming out, bm nerfs

what did i say earlier today

[spice spire]

The problem is fitting 200gs of protein in 2400

[grim jay]

I'm fine with anything above 180g currently

yesterday I hit 260 on accident

protein puddings, shakes and chicken breast carried me

[balmy condor]

I can help

[spice spire]

Brother everyone knows twink cum isn’t a good source of protein

[balmy condor]

[candid sun]

This is getting framed on my fridge

[grim jay]

adult cats have 500g of protein

dont know about adult catgirls (women seemingly have 9000g protein on average)

[shy axle]

just top make sure i understand the dry shiv thing correct: Is it always 2 shivs during kb and i will get a 3rd back in the lingering window or is it no shiv at the start of kb, 1 charge at like 8 seconds as in m+ and the second shiv inside lingering when proccing dn?

[balmy condor]

2 in deathmark, 1 in lingering, 1 in kb

[shy axle]

1 in kb as in the one without dm?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[shy axle]

thank you

[tight sparrow]

I only have garrot and Rupture, everything else is useless clutter

[golden loom]

Yeah same, am just troubleshooting with no addons atm, tried everything except that so far (should probably have started with that)

[unborn wharf]

!macro

gg

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[golden loom]

Removed a bunch of addons/weakauras, did a full re-install, did a memtest to check my ram, changed a bunch of settings, all before I decided to just test with no addons

[spice spire]

Yw

[grim jay]

thats wild

[golden loom]

Idk I am losing my mind