tbh I barely remember expertise, wasn't that basically +weaponskill?
#assassination
hearty seal
haughty flicker
lmao
balmy condor
Pretty bad
soft surge
maybe not bad
haughty flicker
i love this discord
red schooner
tbh I barely remember expertise, wasn't that basically +weaponskill?
reduced enemies chance to parry or dodge or something idk i legit forget at this point
tawdry halo
Just macro to shiv and set and forget
red schooner
so i could be talking out of my arse
soft surge
as i said u have 3 charhes of tea at most of the time in aoe
red schooner
it did something
golden loom
Just macro to shiv and set and forget
yeah I have it like that, was just thinking for Lightz case
soft surge
take notice of it if its still on your bars
tawdry halo
Whispyr plz its morning here
spice surge
Macro tea to tea <:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
British looking ahh macro
tawdry halo
Bullying starts at midday
balmy condor
British looking ahh macro
LMAO
soft surge
first pull NW that teas not used for a long time
golden loom
macro beans to toast
soft surge
if u dont press it urself
radiant raven
reduced enemies chance to parry or dodge or something idk i legit forget at this...
Wasn't hit dodge chance and expertise parry? God it's been what 15 years
gusty stag
The percentage calculation is real, you can't just say oh but the value that comes from 13.6% is not 13.6%! The only time in history that would be true is if the base value is 100%. 😛
hearty seal
Wasn't hit dodge chance and expertise parry? God it's been what 15 years
nah hit chance was for misses only, I think expertise or weaponskill were for dodge/parry/glancing
red schooner
Wasn't hit dodge chance and expertise parry? God it's been what 15 years
i legit forget its been too long.
radiant raven
Too long
soft surge
even macrod to shiv, u press that after a long build up
radiant raven
Good riddance to hit / exp
bronze marsh
Wasn't hit dodge chance and expertise parry? God it's been what 15 years
hit was dodge/miss
vague widget
What you guys didn't miss hit, spell hit, and expertise budgeting?
soft surge
missing out on atleast 10 sec of mastery buff
red schooner
wait so, we find some gear that hasn't had expertise patched out, then we don't get parried
spice surge
What you guys didn't miss hit, spell hit, and expertise budgeting?
Hit or miss? I guess they never miss huh
red schooner
we're onto something here
bronze marsh
just be trickster
balmy condor
The percentage calculation is real, you can't just say oh but the value that com...
Please don’t speak to me if you’re going to include numbers in your text my head already hurts just by proxy of being in the vicinity of your delusions earlier
radiant raven
wait so, we find some gear that hasn't had expertise patched out, then we don't ...
Hell yeah
hearty seal
wait so, we find some gear that hasn't had expertise patched out, then we don't ...
at current ratings, you'd get like 0.01% parry reduction
tawdry halo
at current ratings, you'd get like 0.01% parry reduction
Might save my kingsbanes!
haughty flicker
worth
radiant raven
Just equip a sub rogue
haughty flicker
every single kb that doesnt get parried i will say its because of that
bronze marsh
Just equip a sub rogue
I'm down to get used
plush isle
Wasn't hit dodge chance and expertise parry? God it's been what 15 years
With hit you decreased the miss chance on the boss, with expertise you decreased parry/dodge, for dodge u needed 8 expertise, for parry 24 expertise, thats why you needed to be behind the target that it couldn't parry you.
soft surge
whenever a spec is fotm in mythic+ the channel should be halved. because wowhead writers are raid centric and even m+ haters
hearty seal
just be trickster
ngl slightly curious why Assa got fatebound and sub got trick
red schooner
Just equip a sub rogue
its probably easier to find expertise gear than it is to find a sub rogue ngl 
bronze marsh
ngl slightly curious why Assa got fatebound and sub got trick
because trickster fits sub perfectly
flint siren
What you guys didn't miss hit, spell hit, and expertise budgeting?
I don't bc I still experience it on Outlaw 
radiant raven
With hit you decreased the miss chance on the boss, with expertise you decreased...
Oh no I'm revising traumatic memories from cata
haughty flicker
i mean if fatebound played even remotely like its little lore blurb was it would fit for assassination
hearty seal
its probably easier to find expertise gear than it is to find a sub rogue ngl <:...
humans used to have a racial for both
frozen glacier
yall in here yapping when you should be garfing
haughty flicker
but instead its just gamba coins
frozen glacier
bronze marsh
tawdry halo
haughty flicker
golden loom
hollow river
subtle tundra
spice surge
red schooner
plush isle
vagrant brook
flint siren
waxen field
radiant raven
static glacier
soft surge
that thorne resto shamn guy quits the game whenever resto is bis in m+ 
hollow river
bronze marsh
you broke the chain
hollow river
WTF
dapper cradle
that thorne resto shamn guy quits the game whenever resto is bis in m+ <:kekman:...
giga chad breaking the reddit cringe train
I kneel
spice surge
Only one garf per person as well, i was ready to delete if anybody posted a second one
balmy condor
lights
haughty flicker
Only one garf per person as well, i was ready to delete if anybody posted a seco...
thank you for keeping the garfing honest
golden loom
need some more garfield emotes
haughty flicker
o7
golden loom
need him dancin
radiant raven
Need a lasagne emote
tawdry halo
Most unified this channel has been all day
radiant raven
Then it could be one garf per lasagna
bronze marsh
but not one lasagna per garf
static glacier
but instead its just gamba coins
you think of the gamba coins, I don't even acknowledge its existence - we are not the same
radiant raven
No that'd be too much
soft surge
u getting on max stream or what whispyr
haughty flicker
you think of the gamba coins, I don't even acknowledge its existence - we are no...
i go one step further
i didnt even play this class this season
soft surge
balmy condor
Need a lasagne emote
is the lasagne and we’ve been the garf the whole time
soft surge
rogue remains
static glacier
i go one step further
golden loom
radiant raven
<:thistletea:1270520749505122405> is the lasagne and we’ve been the garf the who...
Why is the tea white
flint siren
Why is the tea white
It's white tea 
radiant raven
Oh no
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> can we troll the max tier list
Is he tier listing
tawdry halo
put sin in s for sin
Wdym s is for sin
golden loom
ye he is tier listing atm
tawdry halo
plush isle
"Blizzard Rogues Designer enters Spec Discussion" "Only Garfield Memes" "Seems to be everything is alright with this specc unto the next redesign for Owl"
soft surge
@balmy condor
balmy condor
Oh boy
hearty seal
<:thistletea:1270520749505122405> is the lasagne and we’ve been the garf the who...
one lasagna per minute is crazy
rogues must burn lots of calories
static glacier
Is he tier listing
ur up soon chief
golden loom
he said he had not contacted anyone before today so if ppl wanna come talk to him just dm him
static glacier
Wdym s is for sin
burnt star
soft surge
even if its a meme its max so ppl will take it somewhat seriously
balmy condor
he said he had not contacted anyone before today so if ppl wanna come talk to hi...
What if I don’t wanna
radiant raven
Rogue should go in the outside tier because nature is cool
golden loom
Arms leaving the rizzler tier lets goooo!!! FURY GANG
burnt star
Where is outlaw?
hearty seal
Wdym s is for sin
going by that logic, we can never be below A tier
it's either A or S
static glacier
even if its a meme its max so ppl will take it somewhat seriously
these tier lists are peak nonsensse man
tawdry halo
going by that logic, we can never be below A tier
it's either A or S
Hell yeah brother
static glacier
he disclaimers it
soft surge
hes also talking to people from the spec so it has some kinda weight
tawdry halo
Sin is always S tier in my heart
soft surge
unless everyone is trolling
plush isle
just say lower C tier, love you, good luck in WFR => stunlock
haughty flicker
dude says every single time the tier list is complete meme, not accurate whatsoever, and is solely for fun and to give people a chance to talk about their spec
hearty seal
Sin is always S tier in my heart
I think several religions disapprove ngl
flint siren
hes also talking to people from the spec so it has some kinda weight
The only weight is in their commentary
The tier list is purely for memes and entertainment
static glacier
when it ate like 3 nerfs in a row and was still good
severe meadow
<@167090536602140682>
I think he said he didn't have a rogue available to talk
Maybe wrong
soft surge
id say the n word within 5 seconds so i cant go on stream
spice surge
dude says every single time the tier list is complete meme, not accurate whatsoe...
Nah bro this time he said its 1000% serious and you should definitely base your rerolls solely around this list
golden loom
need Eleem to go talk about how they killed the giga burst dreams
haughty flicker
Nah bro this time he said its 1000% serious and you should definitely base your ...
i already paid for a warrior boost but then he moved it out of 5 big booms
i cant afford to boost a shaman too
golden loom
and push Bleedbuild propaganda to the masses
hearty seal
idc, I have my arms war, my sin rogue and my arcane mage, feeling up for more sin this season (even though it seems like I should've stayed on arms lmao, but just ain't feeling it rn)
red schooner
and push Bleedbuild propaganda to the masses
nah, push crab-build
flint siren
and push Bleedbuild propaganda to the masses
Bleedbuild is officially Sv property now, sorry.
Best we can do is another Envenom modifier.
hearty seal
nah, push crab-build
what's that
haughty flicker
just play feral if you want bleeds nerds
golden loom
balmy condor
Bleedbuild is officially Sv property now, sorry.
Best we can do is another Enven...
Are they no longer la bomba
haughty flicker
butchery was giga bleed
red schooner
what's that
assign talents so that your tree looks like a crab
haughty flicker
idk if it still is
polar rampart
but i can't think for myself 😦
soft surge
i have a warrior monk and dh ready to go and ofc rogue but not an enhance. seems to wack of a spec
hearty seal
assign talents so that your tree looks like a crab
no PB/dragon blades
eugh
I would actually try it if it was Sudden Demise in the middle instead of DTB lmao
balmy condor
Bombs are envenom
flint siren
Are they no longer la bomba
They are but Blizz wanted to keep the old Packleader "bleed build" alive and gave them 2 new talents except the key one from old PL is missing and the new ones are kinda really scuffed teehee
But they have an officially sanctioned Bleedbuild™️ now
red schooner
no PB/dragon blades
eugh
I would actually try it if it was Sudden Demise in the ...
counterpoint though. crab.
balmy condor
Envenom is life
static glacier
but ye bleed is like
golden loom
envenom command
static glacier
not a majority for sv
soft surge
i remember sin rogues loving antorus prog cos theyd always get to rng huge or mid openers with poisonbomb
tawdry halo
i remember sin rogues loving antorus prog cos theyd always get to rng huge or mi...
Big number = fun
flint siren
They are but Blizz wanted to keep the old Packleader "bleed build" alive and gav...
(which if they just turn the scuffed one into the good one is actually neat imo. 
)
tawdry halo
And it was very fun
royal lantern
i remember sin rogues loving antorus prog cos theyd always get to rng huge or mi...
i had 1 pull on the headhunter boss where my first 8 finishers proced a PB
i did more dmg then all other dps combined for the first 50seconds of the fight
rng gonna rng
soft surge
blizz know we secretly love rng soemtimes
royal lantern
man i hated it 
plush isle
Just change Poisonbomb that it got a 1% chance to be Omegapoisonbomb with 100x Damage.
hearty seal
ngl the funniest it'd be would be in pvp
sometimes a guy is just gone in an instant
vague widget
Winning big felt good anything else felt bad. Really they could just make it a second spender for every x envenoms but it's probably not even on the radar as a concern at all as it's current iteration was basically kept as flavor.
plush isle
I hated it, the good trys would always be wipes because someone fucked up, had an other rogue in my guild that didn't understand the whole KB Gameplay, no Poisonknife Exploit, but always got like 50% more PB Proccs.
uneven marsh
Is Whispyr gonna yap about 11.1 rogues on Maximum stream for an hour like last time?
soft surge
pop an addy and do it whispyr
balmy condor
Is Whispyr gonna yap about 11.1 rogues on Maximum stream for an hour like last t...
I don't think I've gotten a hour in all of them combined
flint siren
And some water 
uneven marsh
golden loom
its not a coincidence rogue and ret are left for last again....
soft surge
its scary tbh. seems like its doomy
balmy condor
Do some reverse psychology and tell him 5 big booms all specs
3 big booms (envenom, sectec, bte cosplaying as a big finisher)
main solar
Wonder if he still has a grudge for all those JPC jokes that one time
keen spruce
What if I don’t wanna
i'll fkin do it
plush isle
3 big booms (envenom, sectec, bte cosplaying as a big finisher)
4th boom is playing enh in mplus ?
keen mantle
sub is blasting but dont tell him
balmy condor
Wonder if he still has a grudge for all those JPC jokes that one time
yeah that's surely it
tawdry halo
Did Sub stop dooming?
soft surge
sub is to hard ><
hollow river
soft surge
raid usually runs just over 3 hours 🤔
tawdry halo
Old mate’s here trying to deny the extra hour of worry free hard Sub
spice surge
sub is blasting but dont tell him
Genuinely think sub was in 5 big booms until yesterday, now its probably A.
subtle kiln
clearly S tier for Subtlety Rogue.
sonic schooner
Clearly
subtle kiln
Next to Survival
spice surge
Max tierlist doesnt have any S tier unfortunately
flint siren
There is no S tier though 
sonic schooner
radiant raven
Go outside tier (nature damage) unless we take dark brew
haughty flicker
never failed me yet
soft surge
oh
subtle kiln
Ok who convinced him that arms is only A?
bronze marsh
Critcake pussed out
upper timber
Critcake
bronze marsh
had it in top tier
upper timber
lmaoo
subtle kiln
bronze marsh
and pulled out
subtle kiln
Genuinely think sub was in 5 big booms until yesterday, now its probably A.
When we’re 600k behind Arm in a ST sim, I don’t see it.
subtle kiln
or you know play it on ptr
sonic schooner
yea
haste tax baby
we love taxes
specially now sub is mastery / vers and not crit / vers = mastery , was easier to multi spec with a single set i feel like
maybe i m biased
subtle kiln
Sub has been mastery vers forever. Assa just needs like different jewelry and is fine.
soft surge
easy to craft now but new season we cant just craft a buncher rings and necks
sonic schooner
pretty sure back in SL it was very crit, cant remember about bfa / leg
since no cold blood and sectech wasnt really a thing i think i rememeber
earnest remnant
Sub has been mastery vers forever. Assa just needs like different jewelry and is...
it went vers mastery in the 10.2 rework
before that it was crit/vers
for years
spice surge
When we’re 600k behind Arm in a ST sim, I don’t see it.
Well arms doesnt have cooldowns
subtle kiln
before that it was crit/vers
Legion was heavy mastery
sonic schooner
yea ok so i remember it well being crit vers
earnest remnant
there is just 2 expansions between that
subtle kiln
none the less. Assa don’t care.
subtle tundra
guys assa is better than sub?
sonic schooner
cuz i think i ran the same set on outlaw / sub back in SL
hearty seal
Well arms doesnt have cooldowns
it kinda does but they're not as huge I guess
shout functionally doubles bleed DPS but bleeds are like 15% of arms' damage rn
colossus does what, 13 seconds of +30% total? but it's up every 30-35 seconds
subtle kiln
and insane execute (again)
spice surge
hearty seal
oh yeah we might see some good execute phases in S2
spice surge
sonic schooner
that s assa eleem?
strange python
Problem is their lows aren’t low enough for where their hights are
spice surge
Nop
static glacier
that s assa eleem?
looks like sub
spice surge
Its dave
sonic schooner
looks like sub
yea i was confused for a bit but i figured it was missing some kingsbane spikes
humble verge
did someone catch max's community list? i had to go drive my parents sadge
gotta sub to watch his vods
😴
sonic schooner
dont mind ret, it s random
golden loom
gotta sub to watch his vods
He duo streams to youtube always so u can find vods there
humble verge
ret is a hit or miss
sonic schooner
he got noone to talk about ret so he randomely put it in S
humble verge
He duo streams to youtube always so u can find vods there
100% is behind a "member" paywall there too
golden loom
Nah it isnt
strange python
100% is behind a "member" paywall there too
It’s not
ashen scroll
Are the 11.1 rogue sims public yet
sonic schooner
in fuu spreadsheet there are
soft surge
"public" why would they be secret lmao
haughty flicker
the whole reason his twitch vods are behind a paywall is because he wants people to watch on youtube instead
ashen scroll
in fuu spreadsheet there are
Ty
soft surge
whoes walling them
sonic schooner
!fuu
haughty flicker
because watching twitch vods does nothing
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
earnest remnant
whoes walling them
me
strange python
Ofc the raccoon
soft surge
i hope ai owns you someday @earnest remnant
humble verge
who showed up for rogues on max' stream tho
golden loom
Guy
humble verge
sorry stealthi
sonic schooner
He used to play outlo
runic hinge
Forever choccy
sonic schooner
😔
royal lantern
perpetual buddy
spice spire
perpetual buddy
Infinitepal
earnest remnant
eternitylad
spice surge
Foreverfriend
haughty flicker
runic hinge
plush isle
tawdry halo
royal lantern
static glacier
everlastingbud
flint lintel
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
hearty seal
enduringdude
restive falcon
who was the gentleman doing the rogue stuff in max's stream
spice surge
Foreverguy
restive falcon
W
warped root
how right is the assa sim btw?
shows winning streak median stacks at arround 5
during target dummy testing it feels more like 7-9
had actually 10 stacks for 2 min straight
balmy condor
yeh, it be like that
rng gonna rng
also to note, sims split the buffs
so the winning streak stacks are purely 2 piece stacks
the 4 piece does not count for 2 piece uptime
where as in game, it's the same buff
warped root
doesn't the 4 piece even tho technically it has like what 15% x 25% something like 4% proc chance the ability to prolong ?
the 2 set it is
warped root
is it 66% for 4set ?
balmy condor
second pin, yes
balmy condor
ye
warped root
this tier is hot garbage so our sims are basically reverse outlaw
balmy condor
numerically it's actually pretty okay
but yeh, lot of rng
not sure if sims are also self-refreshing winning streak right now, koji updated the actual proc chance but he's out for the weekend
and the self-refreshing is a newer find
I think he was gonna add that after
bit of a blur lately with guide updates
warped root
unlucky
well tier is out soon we gonna see the real numbers in raids as those are the ones matter anyways
dim nymph
Is there any expectancy on more tuning for rogue or probably nah?
balmy condor
there's for sure tuning happening
is it for rogue who knows
but raid isn't out yet and they do weekly tuning until like a month after the raid releases
nova aspen
dim nymph
I know it's hard to say but do you think tuning gonna hit like a semi full of steel when raid comes out and live testing starts?
balmy condor
idk what you want me to say
royal lantern
idk what you want me to say
hit em with a steel chair
hearty seal
nobody knows ahead of time what's tuning gonna be
never have, never will
haughty flicker
i know i just cant tell you
balmy condor
John blizzard knows
subtle kiln
i know i just cant tell you
You didn’t know sub still has Flag. Ain’t no way you have any tuning knowledge.
haughty flicker
You didn’t know sub still has Flag. Ain’t no way you have any tuning knowledge.
i dont need to know anything about sub to know the tuning, they aint getting any
sorry bub
balmy condor
his brain is full of tuning knowledge
no space for knowing if sub has flag
it's already brim full
hearty seal
going by that logic, we may deduce that flag wouldn't get any tuning because otherwise he'd know it exists still
hearty seal
no hunter rework for 11.2? why'd they stop at one?
subtle kiln
his brain is full of tuning knowledge
rogue is getting tuned by someone that has no knowledge of the specs.
haughty flicker
no hunter rework for 11.2? why'd they stop at one?
we pissed off mm players enough
strange python
rogue is getting tuned by someone that has no knowledge of the specs. <:garf:132...
Sounds accurate tbh
haughty flicker
we felt it was a good idea to step away
strange python
haughty flicker
actually im pretty sure survival isnt super happy with their changes either
blizzard probably overcooked with that class
hearty seal
we pissed off mm players enough
could always do something to surv
(not BM, there's probably more BM players than any other spec out there, don't want to mess with them eh)
hearty seal
fair
haughty flicker
probably something like that for overall population yeah
seeing ret have twice the amount of m+ runs as the second most popular spec this season was pretty funny though
subtle kiln
SV is great. They were just hoping PL was better.
Imagine having two flushed out hero trees for one spec.
static glacier
actually im pretty sure survival isnt super happy with their changes either
issue is it's hard for sv to go anywhere but down from current PL
with current butchery + the bleed being as cracked as it is in pure st it lets you run talents that used to be exclusively for aoe in your optimal st build
that will be going away next patch
dawn seal
omg our set is kinda goated now woo
humble verge
dawn seal
yes tmog is nice
humble verge
idk about damage
dawn seal
sub set piece looks so fun
lusty narwhal
Seems like both specs will be good at least
humble verge
thats the joke
me when i have more stealth time
than the spec signified as stealth
slender stream
Have to say, love rogue so far 3 days in
591 iLvL and can pump just sub 2 mil aoe
amber isle
Without DN, the guide says to use ambush first to apply DM in the opener
If I have DN, at what point in my opener do I use a 7CP envenom to apply it? Since the guide says to just skip using ambush if I have DN
eager condor
is there any chance fatebound rears its head for this tier with ass?
vale shore
Without DN, the guide says to use ambush first to apply DM in the opener
If I h...
when you have 7CP?
amber isle
when you have 7CP?
As a first priority? Would that not change the opener completely?
vale shore
is there any chance fatebound rears its head for this tier with ass?
flip a coin on it...
vale shore
As a first priority? Would that not change the opener completely?
there is no real rigidity moving pack to pack in M+, just keep things rolling along
main blaze
If you have DN proc'd already then the more important thing to do at the beginning of an AoE pull is to get aoe garrotes and ruptures out and caustic up asap.
main blaze
then use DN envenom on w/e main target you are going for
solar wyvern
Everything else is is situation, garrotes/foks etc
vale shore
when things are dying quickly, its more important just get those DN proced envenoms out than to stress over what target you are putting them on.
you get it right back
amber isle
then use DN envenom on w/e main target you are going for
Okay awesome thank you. So with DN proc'd, the DM application falls lower on the priority list
And its better to get bleeds out first then apply DM via DN
main blaze
its better to get bleeds AND caustic out
vale shore
Okay awesome thank you. So with DN proc'd, the DM application falls lower on the...
just dont forget about it and let it fall off, very easy to happen if you go a bit between packs
main blaze
caustic is huge damage
amber isle
its better to get bleeds AND caustic out
Gotcha. So bleeds + caustic, then use DN if I have it ready going into a pack
main blaze
Yeah lol if it falls off and then the tank continuously chain pulls, you'll have to wait for vanish to reapply it
and its just annoying when that happens
solar wyvern
If theres like 5 seconds left on DN i just ambush on opener anyway
amber isle
If theres like 5 seconds left on DN i just ambush on opener anyway
Was just typing out this question
vale shore
Was just typing out this question
you can have DN up AND have 3 stacks of Deathstalker's mark up
solar wyvern
Yep, just know that the marks wont be consumed without using DN
dapper cradle
i always open with ambush
solar wyvern
Fixing echoing reprimand only too remove it kekw
dapper cradle
even if I have DN
amber isle
Yep, just know that the marks wont be consumed without using DN
Ahhh okay. I ran into this issue today and thought it was a bug. The stacks weren't getting taken off so I guess I had a DN ready
With an ambush applied DM
main blaze
Yeah I think some of the rogue ui weakauras take care of that for you
amber isle
even if I have DN
Whys that?
solar wyvern
Cause hes lazy
dapper cradle
honestly the opener feels smoother lol
you don't have to evisc to get marks rolling
envenom**
main blaze
HE IS A SUB SPY
dapper cradle
they're just auto rolling already with your ruptures/CT
solar wyvern
Opener feels smoothest when you have 5+ CP going into the pull haha
Rupture rupture on pull, garrotex2 ct, mut fok envenom spam
dapper cradle
cus you're not really envenoming for quite a few globals in your opener
but yeah, it's really situational
amber isle
they're just auto rolling already with your ruptures/CT
But didnt someone just say if you have DN, and you apply DM with an ambush, that the stacks wont be comsumed until you use the DN?
dapper cradle
i thought they fixed that?
solar wyvern
No
dapper cradle
oh lmao F
amber isle
It happened to me today and I had no idea what was going on. Thought it was a bug lol
solar wyvern
That was how it worked on release, then they "fixed it" so echoing reprimand would proc marks but not DN+marks
And nerfed DS sub rogue hard be cause of ot
Then they removed echoing reprimand kekw
vale shore
you don't have to evisc to get marks rolling
amber isle
Thanks for the help guys. Really enjoying assa rogue so far
amber isle
Tier set zero gameplay change
Yall happy about that?
solar wyvern
Not personally, but it makes it easy when my RL asks me to go assa on a fight
No relearning a spec, can just play off memory
vale shore
Not personally, but it makes it easy when my RL asks me to go assa on a fight
does the rogue spec REALLY matter to him?
main blaze
eh I mean the PTR getting zero changes until last night has been sad. The spec played well before so its not NEEDED but its nice to get looked at for the some of the issues we still have
solar wyvern
does the rogue spec REALLY matter to him?
Last 3 fights of next tier look heavy for execute phase so probably
Depends on timings and stuff wont know till tier is out
vale shore
Last 3 fights of next tier look heavy for execute phase so probably
a good spec played in-expertly will be outperformed by an expertly-played sub-optimal spec
main blaze
sure its just nice when both meet up
solar wyvern
a good spec played in-expertly will be outperformed by an expertly-played sub-op...
Im proficient at all 3 specs, I'm just musing on not having to learn sub/sin again
No changes means ez tier
main blaze
j/k we all play outlaw randomly
main blaze
yeah me too but that shit pops up randomly with boss fight styles sometimes
and there are some like quick cleave type fights
vale shore
I am not looking forward to praying for another Wrathstone to drop for me the next Wrath Timewalking week. This little beauty has been my best trinket for the last half of this season
main blaze
Dont we do stuff on one armed and something else on the later bosses?
I thought they had weird adds
but anyways I dont think outlaw is the play either just memeing
balmy condor
only bosses with like add potential are first boss but not really cause they die so fast and you kinda wanna burst them even though caustic/flurry cleave is good, also just irrelevant boss, bunkjunker is in 4th like a rashanan thing, and cause it's like ovi'nax outlaw might maybe perhaps? but even then it's kinda the same deal, mobs in melee get pretty much obliterated insta. One armed bandit has adds but they're prio burst and spread out, mug'zee has some adds but that whole fight is just a massive shit show, and the adds in the earthwalls are giga st prio, like hold cds for them type of situation
gallywix has adds but obviously we don't know what that's like atm, and it only seems to be in 2 phases, but you have to kill them to get a bomb to carry around, so that seems like a burst situation too
encounter design relying on burst damage for basically everything just kinda sucks
there's no increased damage phases in the raid though, like no smolderon or silken court situation
so I guess that's a plus? Maybe playable on like sprocketmonger
another tier of "sub for burst on adds, whatever is tuned higher for boss damage between sin/sub"
burnt drum
seems like sin and sub are pretty close and can be swapped out
runic hinge
What boss drops the first dagger
pliant remnant
Rik Reverb
balmy condor
(which is 2nd/3rd)
sacred cedar
how come ass rogue dies more than outlaw/sub
buoyant herald
outlaw gets CDR on feint, vanish, evasion
sub gets increased healing taken, but it's pretty similar to assa. outlaw is the outlier
subtle kiln
how come ass rogue dies more than outlaw/sub
Sub 20% vers, defensives in talents.
Assa: 2% vers. Leeching poison.
buoyant herald
actually
subtle kiln
Sub is way fucking tankier than assa
buoyant herald
yeah that's probably a bigger factor for both than what i wrote lol
subtle kiln
Idk what you’re talking about.
buoyant herald
wasn't even thinking about stats
hallow glade
Sub 20% vers, defensives in talents.
Assa: 2% vers. Leeching poison.
Everyone takes leeching, and while sub does get ephemeral bond, sin gets bait and switch which is incredibly strong
astral current
well due to sub nerfs muti is gonna prevail or all 3 specs are far behind compared to other classes?
balmy condor
who knows
normal mist
John Blizzard
balmy condor
there is no such thing as a rogue dev
normal mist
^
There are just devs
That may or may not work on rogue in a determined period of time
astral current
weird
DKs got their own class designer i heard
normal mist
Not how it works
They have a TEAM working on their developments
that team can be moved around whenever blizzard pleases afaik
astral current
gotcha
normal mist
Basically
ahaha
We WERE fortunate that a dev that worked on the rogue team at the time had the time to chat with us a few times
runic hinge
No it’s literally jjst 13 people only working on classes. And sometimes they are lazy
normal mist
but that isnt the norm
normal mist
xDD
snow hamlet
bronze pike
<:glorpbleak:1319184561501896808>
spice spire
pliant remnant
royal lantern
spice spire
Me
uncut void
is there a spreadsheet for all class sims?
balmy condor
god I hope not
normal mist
If God is real, there won't be
normal mist
@balmy condor What did guy said to max man, now we gotta deal with people demanding tier lists
golden loom
normal mist
Looking at this kind of info is the reason the first weeks of S1 there wasn't a single M+ run where there wasn't a shaman healer
tawdry halo
People just want something to believe in
normal mist
They could believe in god
But instead they believe in Max
who does this for content xD
normal mist
hehehehe
tawdry halo
Oh never thought of that
golden loom
this shit pops off
bronze pike
No they don't!
Toyal why did u make me read that
normal mist
Sorry my friend, it was indeed a waste of time
normal mist
In general i keep up with the changes even if i don't play at a TOP level, and yes things change a lot the first few weeks of a season
radiant raven
The eternal question that will receive the constant answer.
tawdry halo
normal mist
radiant raven
Three days until I can commit vehciular manslaughter in world of warcraft. BEEP BEEP, I'M IN A CAR.
normal mist
I hope they nail the driving feeling
radiant raven
same
normal mist
Like Need For Speed
tawdry halo
radiant raven
I hope I can hit shadow dance during it. Just like, a super meancing thing
normal mist
xDDD
radiant raven
Drive into someone elses car and then I glow purple
normal mist
Man for some reason i want to make a goblin named Tony now
like the Mafia
xDDDD
BeepBeep Jump in, my name is tony
radiant raven
Hell yeah
marble hemlock
love that guy
been watching his vids since he started, his impressions and skits in other languages are hilarious
his german and spanish are really good
normal mist
his trump impression in spanish is gold
sharp viper
https://www.ddinstagram.com/reel/DGVvHufTtHr/?igsh=amk4M3RzeHg5YXcz
holy fuck the last one cracked me up
normal mist
xDDD
sharp viper
full on belly jiggle laughing
normal mist
TONY IS THE MC MAN
radiant raven
Sooooon
normal mist
Soon my dear friend, SOON
static glacier
nocturne elbow
hello I have a problem with energy regeneration on single target with the assassination specialization, any ideas please?
golden loom
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
- No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
- 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
- You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
normal mist
hello I have a problem with energy regeneration on single target with the assass...
If you have your poisons on your weapons and rupture/garrote on your target, just read the above post
nocturne elbow
oh ok thanks
rigid yew
hey i read the pinned message are the 2 trinkets listed Mega BIS over any dungeon trinkets or just raid BIS
junior yoke
Hunters are back
static glacier
hey i read the pinned message are the 2 trinkets listed Mega BIS over any dungeo...
Bro read your message
Take 10 seconds
Think
Now you’ve had some time, yes those our hard irreplaceable bis trinkets
The priory on use trinket will be used as your active until you get house of cards
For the record we need to stop using the words Best in slot to describe anything except best in slot
rare jackal
bis < mega bis < giga bis < omega bis
radiant raven
What about the sequel: BiS 2: Bisser
tawdry root
Hi all, I had a question about rupture reapplications in single target
Is there an easy way to tell when a rupture is in pandemic range (since its duration changes with CPs) and to track bleed snapshots? Can’t find a weak aura
Or should I just be reapplying rupture when it’s about to run out?
rare jackal
6 seconds on rapture and snap shotting isnt a thing currently
haughty flicker
Most weak aura packages will tell you when it’s in pandemic range
With a glow or something
static glacier
bis < mega bis < giga bis < omega bis
In my native country pspspspss is bisbisbisbisbis
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static glacier
Hi all, I had a question about rupture reapplications in single target
Is there...
7.2s or less remaining iirc
weak auras like luxthos glow when it's in pandemic
tawdry root
6 seconds on rapture and snap shotting isnt a thing currently
So don’t have to worry about rupturing a weaker rupture? Just asking since I know managing improved garrote snapshots is important
rare jackal
So don’t have to worry about rupturing a weaker rupture? Just asking since I kno...
nope
tawdry root
Sweet thanks yall
static glacier
np homie
slate crown
So don’t have to worry about rupturing a weaker rupture? Just asking since I kno...
There's no "in pandemic" flag/API unfortunately. If you want to track the true pandemic, you'd need either a moderate amount of custom code, or a giant set of conditions with combo point values and duration comparisons at each combo point.
Ultimately that amount of effort isn't really worth it. Just set a glow at 7 or 8 seconds and that's good enough most of the time given our finisher rules
static glacier
keep in mind even if you refresh at 10s it likely won't make you cast an extra rupture in a fight with currrent killtimes
haughty flicker
I actually didn’t know it worked like that, though in hindsight it makes sense with what I’ve seen
bleak ledge
Lis, any idea what the difference is between priory trinket and house of cards?
Similar to shard and transmitter this patch?
spice spire
Lis, any idea what the difference is between priory trinket and house of cards?
On an older sim (pre small buff) it’s a sub 2k difference so less than 0.1%
twilit flint
whats the best race for assassination?
slate crown
On an older sim (pre small buff) it’s a sub 2k difference so less than 0.1%
Thx quake I didn't know the answer but I also didn't read this until now
static glacier
whats the best race for assassination?
it's one of the orcs for dps or dwarf / nelf for utility
slate crown
whats the best race for assassination?
Whichever provides the best utility racial for the mechanics on the last boss probably
spice spire
Value could be shifted but I doubt by that much
static glacier
this tier if we're being real gnome was best race
twilit flint
seeing alot of people being that other orc
spice spire
Yeah racial was updated snd people excited
twilit flint
whats its racial?
twilit flint
ohhhhhhhhh
spice spire
Buddy I’ll show you an ancestral call
spice surge
bis < mega bis < giga bis < omega bis
Bongo bis is a term we use in my guild when its not just bis, but very very bis
slate crown
Buddy I’ll show you an ancestral call
promise?
severe meadow
5 days till Wilds release
god I can't wait
astral oxide
Hi guys, I made the shiv macro which is a command in here. But sometimes I still have tea on cd for that shiv macro. Is it a giga dmg loss if make a kb + tea macro?
normal mist
god I can't wait
Same
clever sapphire
Hi guys, I made the shiv macro which is a command in here. But sometimes I still...
the macro exists because tea matters so little
and macroing it to shiv is the most "optimal"
warm lantern
is there a gearing guide out for s2 for noobs like me who dont like to plan but wanna play"efficiently" like do dailies worldbosses delves etc etc?
havent seen the usual raiders guide yet neither
next shard
Hi guys, just out of curiosity how are the rogue specs doing so far ? Don't want a precise answer i'll probably play the 3 of them but is there any that looks really bad or really good ?
vagrant brook
is there a gearing guide out for s2 for noobs like me who dont like to plan but ...
depending on your current ilvl, doing all m0s and tier 8 delves first week is a good goal
cyan trellis
Is it normal to do 10s first week if I'm bised out rn with some 6 or 7s farming? Never played between seasons before
warm lantern
depending on your current ilvl, doing all m0s and tier 8 delves first week is a ...
tier 8 delves for s2 unlocks at the same time as m+ and raid right? (season start) i'm fairly geared, not that noob 😄 but came late to s1 and didnt have the launch gearing experience for this xpac
drifting cloud
Is it normal to do 10s first week if I'm bised out rn with some 6 or 7s farming?...
This season week1 10s are gonna be the easiest in a very long time if not ever
Because of the rescaling
warm lantern
how many buffed delve chests can i open a week? is it 4 a day or 4 weekly? not that renowned with delve stuff so idk how that really works, i've just been spamming keys and m+ usually
snow kindle
4 a day
warm lantern
This season week1 10s are gonna be the easiest in a very long time if not ever
so 8 +10s then spam +8s till crest cap?
arctic shale
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warm lantern
4 a day
afaik people with high renown for delvers guild or whatever can buy the keys, is there a catchup to this?
drifting cloud
4 a day but you can only get like 5-6 keys a week depending on wq rng
warm lantern
4 a day but you can only get like 5-6 keys a week depending on wq rng
aah thx
snow kindle
idk it depends if there is a new coffer key or not
if renown matters
itll prob be a new key
warm lantern
so week one i want to: get all delve key stuff done, fill vault with +10s and cap crests, and ofc go as far in raid as guild can
the delve loot is the same no matter which delve right? i dont wanna wait for a special one?
warm lantern
with the best things you can
thats fair, but i'm just looking for the most efficient and painless way to get there
probably gonna aim for atleast 2-3 mythic choises in vault as well
spice spire
Bountiful doesn’t effect the vault slot iirc so you can just spam 8 normal delves at max lvl drop
radiant raven
Vault is just completion. Bountiful is just for the bonus key chest at the end.
magic fossil
so we are going sub next tier
apparently
earnest remnant
never planned on anything else
red schooner
so we are going sub next tier
apparently
God no
pliant remnant
hexed frost
kek or cringe?
golden loom
Missing sudden demise, so very cringe @hexed frost
wait what are u actually cooking...
no CT 
golden loom
but why wouldnt you take CT then
ashen scroll
Idk, home cook LOL
golden loom
it does a bazillion damage
buoyant herald
Name checks out
golden loom
Crimson Chris is gonna hunt you down
dawn stump
where does Serrated Steven stand amidst this
spice spire
CTSteve when
shy axle
if i got the effect from sikran that shows the lines between me and other players and leaves a ghost after she charges, do i need to walk far away from the boss or can i just chill in meleerange as long as no other players/ghosts are next to me?
earnest remnant
usually you place them in a way that allows for the lines that comes after them to clear them in one swoop
which means you place them in a box shape
jovial idol
Or is it 1 day later on EU
Always later on EU
haughty flicker
it releases on NA first so we can beta test it for EU
shy axle
@earnest remnant yes. I know the fight from a range perspective. But are you able to stand at the boss as melee or do you need to walk away (no players/ghosts with it next to you etc)
rough lodge
!shiv
earnest remnant
<@83652604344664064> yes. I know the fight from a range perspective. But are you...
if some cases yeh you can
depends on how nice your tanks are being
shy axle
thank you
shy axle
i will try, thanks
earnest remnant
force people to move 
warm vortex
it releases on NA first so we can beta test it for EU
1 day beta test period poggies
Longest time bliz beta tests smth
haughty flicker
1 day beta test is above industry standards these days
royal kernel
Any changes coming to assa rotation next week?
hollow river
wary shadow
what's the command to see suggest macros here?
golden loom
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
this is pretty much the only macro used outside of stuff like trinket + potion macrod to deathmark and then normal mouseover kick/on garotte/rupture if you want to @wary shadow
wary shadow
thanks! that's the one i was looking for, just wanted to double check to see if I had it right.
brazen cypress
what does the shiv/tea macro actually d o
final star
casts shiv and tea at the same time
runic hinge
no one beat it plz
I'm about to rn
indigo mulch
Lies.
spice spire
no one beat it plz
Tony beat me to the joke. But I ain’t talking ur parse
runic hinge
Me either lol I ain't even seen a mythic boss this tier
carmine fable
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final star
I had 3 envenom parry in p1 so there's ur answer
runic hinge
Queen has a higher parry chance I swear
final star
for sure
spice spire
Queen has a higher parry chance I swear
It’s the gyatt
warm vortex
God what i would do to be with a lady build like queen ansurek 😔
rocky zodiac
!pool
prisma monolithBOT
- Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it
- Super Min-Max stuff includes avoiding the auto proc of tea (less than +0.2%, tea/shiv macro is optimal)
- Refreshing Envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it (mostly relevant for m+ without TTK, can be up to 0.5%)
- Otherwise nothing matters. Pooling before kingsbanes isn't important because of tea lining up and deathmark giving a huge surge of energy
haughty flicker
bm is stronger, easier, and ranged
but then you'd be a hunter player
so yeah its a tough call
runic hinge
I am playing Assa. It was that or spriest and I like doing stuff on rogue better
normal mist
Hunter sounds good honestly... I love hunting... Monsters.
normal mist
warm vortex
Hello i'm myself out
golden loom
I am also deciding between what to play this patch, cannot be anything other than melee.
warm vortex
Also
golden loom
ranged is too weird to play idk
warm vortex
The squad
haughty flicker
hard choice between rogue, rogue, or rogue
normal mist
Maybe rogue
warm vortex
And brown rogue
normal mist
The middle one
haughty flicker
which one has the best transmog
normal mist
The left one
haughty flicker
probably the rogue
golden loom
which one has the best transmog
warm vortex
I am also deciding between what to play this patch, cannot be anything other tha...
I know the pain brother
warm vortex
Also heres my warband
IDK why just showing mine cause you showed your one :D
golden loom
honestly the white night elf heritage armor is so sick looking
haughty flicker
why is there a rat
golden loom
like the shoulders look so sick, wish I could use them on every race
golden loom
I still havent made a horde char
warm vortex
me noticing the vulpera
Ywou mwean vwulperwa? 🦊 Ownly the cwutest, mwost fwiendly wace in azwerwoth? 🥹
golden loom
i still need to actually unlock it
was honestly pretty fun
pure moth
I am also deciding between what to play this patch, cannot be anything other tha...
One of every spec?
golden loom
One of every spec?
Yessir
jade abyss
hard choice between rogue, rogue, or rogue
Roll a dice
spice spire
I am also deciding between what to play this patch, cannot be anything other tha...
Uwucutegirl is a good meme ngl
warm vortex
Uwucutegirl is a good meme ngl
Hi quake
spice spire
Hello vend
sharp viper
race to world last done for my guild
rotund oak
gz babe
storm forum
nice, grats!
spice spire
Yo quake,get out fo Santorini before it erupts
Santorini?
spice spire
race to world last done for my guild
Gz bbgirl
rotund oak
Santorini?
U either havent read the news or u are responsible for 15.000 tremors the past weeks
and playing possum
judging from the past i think the later
(Santorini is an island,what remains from a giant volcano that erupted in the aegean sea)
(its basicly an undersea volcano now)
spice spire
U either havent read the news or u are responsible for 15.000 tremors the past w...
It can be both
haughty flicker
hes making it quake all the way in greece
spice spire
2m cd
runic hinge
race to world last done for my guild
gratz champ
royal lantern
race to world last done for my guild
GZ man
carmine fable
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thorn fjord
arctic tusk
do you want to crimson tempest in aoe first or get ur deathstalker proc on a spatter
i forgor
tawdry halo
CT > caustic > DM
rocky zodiac
sry if i asked this before but since envenom pandemic got removed from sim logic we just send envenom immediately and dont wait to maximise 2 stacks envenom right? or did i misunderstood that?
tawdry halo
for ST it's unlikely you'll drop 2 stacks of the envenom buff, given the amount of blindside procs / etc. you get
so feel free to send
It's probably "technically" optimal to play for buff uptime in ST situations in m+, but I think whispyr mentioned it's all within margin of error
but still good practice
keen spruce
race to world last done for my guild
analog hornet
I cant kill Zekvir ?? 😪 the eggs spawn so far away, than the Boss dont move and Bran is stupid 🤣 10k gold for repair 😭😭😭 I'm crying DX
rocky zodiac
for ST it's unlikely you'll drop 2 stacks of the envenom buff, given the amount ...
is that because of skyfury? because i pretty frequently drop 2 stacks on dummies if i just send it. rarely envenom even completely drops
sharp viper
I cant kill Zekvir ?? 😪 the eggs spawn so far away, than the Boss dont move and...
just keep calm and do the mechanics, the only damage that matters is on the eggs
if you can keep your cool zekvir will die
tawdry halo
is that because of skyfury? because i pretty frequently drop 2 stacks on dummies...
Oh i've never noticed that so maybe it's because my guild runs with 70 shamans.
If you're struggling to keep up the two stacks there are WAs to track, and you can play for double buff uptime
Only matters outside of CDs though because you have energy for years with DM
rocky zodiac
yeah its just outside of CDs thats right. But i can just play to ensure uptime i guess. More engagement i guess 😄
analog hornet
just keep calm and do the mechanics, the only damage that matters is on the eggs
But I cant heal that ton of shit ... i get in 3 min 99,73 M dmg DX
I use both healpots and take the pots from Brann 😅 so i dont know what i can do... Cloak one time for the Sloweffect and Evaison against meleehits and Faint dont do anything 😅
analog field
I cant kill Zekvir ?? 😪 the eggs spawn so far away, than the Boss dont move and...
yeah it took me like 20k gold repair and I had some good runs <10% hp . The orbs in the second phase are very random. Try to keep your CDs and use shadow step to navigate.
also use 2 shadowsteps
sharp viper
But I cant heal that ton of shit ... i get in 3 min 99,73 M dmg DX
I use both ...
you can stagger out the pots from brann to get a massive hot
tawdry halo
But I cant heal that ton of shit ... i get in 3 min 99,73 M dmg DX
I use both ...
are you eating the bran potions to maintain near 100% uptime on the hot?
analog field
what is your ilvl
sharp viper
and vanish the slow if brann doesn't dispell it
analog field
ilvl matters mostly for Max hp
analog hornet
yeah it took me like 20k gold repair and I had some good runs <10% hp . The orbs...
SS on who? 😅 i have 636 🤣
analog hornet
and vanish the slow if brann doesn't dispell it
Vanish works? The Thing from the nightelves to?
analog hornet
are you eating the bran potions to maintain near 100% uptime on the hot?
Nearly... often the pots are on the other side from the room 😅
pure moth
I cant kill Zekvir ?? 😪 the eggs spawn so far away, than the Boss dont move and...
Wait to go til after cone attack. Then ss it
sharp viper
Vanish works? The Thing from the nightelves to?
no, only vanish and cloak - the dot is a slow so anything that removes slow works - other classes got freedom, shapeshifting and stuff for it as well as poison dispells
analog field
on the first one that bran doesn't dispel use vanish so it starts recharging
analog hornet
So i skill the second Vanish?
balmy dome
If this is the last tuning before the raid, any thoughts on what spec we are gonna be playing?
tawdry halo
If this is the last tuning before the raid, any thoughts on what spec we are gon...
it's probably not the last tuning
play what you like
analog field
So i skill the second Vanish?
Yeah drop the supercharged shiv line for it.
also keep KB and DM for the egg, also you can keep the DN buff for the egg instead of reapplying mark on Zekvir
pure moth
I died at 7% twice. Got angry and logged off
drifting cloud
bro you dont have to keep shit for the egg lol
just dont blankout and not hit it for 10s after it spawns
analog field
Because some frontals are on the egg it makes it difficult
drifting cloud
it takes so long to hatch you can get threw your whole mark meanwhile
analog field
also boss comes and fears there, safer to use them there, dmg is not missing in the long run
analog hornet
also keep KB and DM for the egg, also you can keep the DN buff for the egg inste...
I use the CDs to the eggs, so i can walk free to get not hittet from the mechanics?
analog field
No you need to keep defensives for the spit and in emergency cases that may arise
tawdry halo
I use the CDs to the eggs, so i can walk free to get not hittet from the mechani...
You can, and that's fine. At 636 you shouldn't be running into issues with the damage check
You can also shadowstep the boss to get out of the frontal
and then go back to the egg
analog hornet
Ah, okay... i have to try tomorow 🙈
Its complicatet with this short arms 😅 i think Rogue is one of the harder classes to defeat Zekvir 😅 my Friend did him with an Ele with the second try 😅
tawdry halo
should have rolled ret pally 5Head
native birch
Hey guys, quick AoE question that I can't find in the guides.
In my opener, if I have a Darkest Night proc available and no CDs ready, where does Darkest Night fall into the priority? Currently I've been prioritizing Garrote 2x>Rupture 2x>FoK>Mutilate>Crimson Tempest, then building up to spend Darkest Night.
Should I be trying to spend it earlier in the opener, or are the others still higher priority?
balmy condor
Anytime after you get your ruptures out and caustic
Like rupture -> fok -> mut -> env is fine
native birch
So it would take priority over CT in that instance?
tawdry halo
It's probably technically better to use it before CT so that CT consumes one of the deathstalkers mark stacks
but also I'm sure it's a 0.1% difference or something
so I wouldn't sweat it too hard
native birch
Gotcha, thanks a million. That makes a lot of sense
analog field
If we have like 7cp and coming from stealth I guess we should envenom first? and then go with 2 gar 2 ruptures?
tawdry halo
Sure
rare bobcat
Guys and gals* I have a confession to make. I’m running fatebound cuz I’m new to the class and feel small brain for deathstalker. How bad it is fatebound?
carmine fable
Finally the 3 rogue challenges done 🙂 ty @balmy condor
rare bobcat
I’ll have to switch over and try to wrap my head around it then. No impactful changes in 11.1 right? The rotation will be the same as now?
runic hinge
Yes
surreal cradle
only being able to mog daggers is messing with my mental
storm zinc
Is there a list of bugs that are currently on the ptr?
haughty flicker
only being able to mog daggers is messing with my mental
why tho daggers are great
surreal cradle
they all look the same
tawdry halo
you can ones that look like a screwdriver
which I guess is also short and pointy... hmmm...
surreal cradle
i want the crab claws 😦
tawdry halo
balmy condor
Is there a list of bugs that are currently on the ptr?
For assa it’s just the weirdness of the tier set in the pins but not really a bug, could be intended
timid bramble
Whispyr brudda
when u spoke about the macro shiv tea
you mean to keep using it or remove it ?
tawdry halo
use it
tawdry halo
spice spire
sharp viper
timid bramble
lethal heart
haughty flicker
amber isle
If im at 6 CP and I have a DN proc'd, is it fine to use mutilate to get the last CP for an envenom? Feels like a waste
amber isle
Dope. Thank you
errant heath
If i have supercharger up and i'm on 5 combo i can just end the envenom right? its going to hit for 7 and proc DN...