10 minute cooldown ability does not belong in retail
#assassination
proven jasper
peak bobcat
So I can click death mark and kingsbane again
And then press envenom 9000 more times like I would’ve anyways
Let’s gooooo
earnest flume
10 minute cooldown ability does not belong in retail
make it not 10 min, boom
really flashbanged the chat with this one. time to disappear into the night.
nova aspen
proven jasper
scarlet barn
I want to go back to wod so I can play demo warlock. Blizzards greatest spec design
haughty flicker
meanwhile i stopped playing warlock in wod because of what they did to destro
warm vortex
Why the fuck is she moving like that
Are she stupid?
scarlet barn
What did they do to destro
haughty flicker
unspeakable things
spice spire
Why the fuck is she moving like that
Are she stupid?
Is that a human form of a worgen
haughty flicker
spice spire
About to ape on your pops if you sass me again king
lucid basalt
yo quick question do we delay the 2nd shiv
to send it with KB?
or 3rd shiv
in M+ aoe talents
subtle tundra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_jj0bkONOY
i feel you mate
drifting basin
i feel you mate
holy
spice spire
i feel you mate
Light work
cloud basin
So with the tier changes are we still doing 2 and 2 for tier til we have myth track for 4 piece?
buoyant herald
i feel you mate
this must have been SO hectic waiting for the cannonball to travel 😂
spice spire
!resources
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
spice spire
?
pearl laurel
was looking for WA command
runic hinge
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
pearl laurel
ty
hard pond
is this any better @balmy condor https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/c6CyRjmLAK1nGxvd?fight=last
better question is did it work lol
glad osprey
Whatre the changes to sin season 2? Planning on rolling with it again
I heard some minor changes to the rotation
Does anyone know where I find these ?
hollow river
Does anyone know where I find these ?
should be in the pins
hollow river
2nd pin has the only rotational change
hollow river
ye very minor change
spice spire
Love rawdogging shiv
slate crown
https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rainbow-imagination-box-gif-1238735801943719394...
Hey I had to add a lingering darkness aura to deathmark that's a tiny change
late gulch
is ass looking good for s2?
runic hinge
Always looking good
buoyant herald
i think it's gonna overtake sub when the adjust sub 4set
unless key heavily values burst
spice surge
assa is a burst spec aswell
Ye but its way less bursty on aoe than st
Its obviously not a flat spec, but its leaning more towards sustained damage than burst in aoe
Like on ST deathmark: doubles bleed damage, (nearly) doubles your energy regen and makes kb+envenom do more.
If you have 10 targets doubling the bleeds on one target is not as big of an increase, the regen doesnt matter so its only the last two parts thats really relevant
And CT goes hard
timid coral
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
neat plank
!sheet
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
late gulch
how do you handle tanks pulling and not waiting for restealth. feels like i lose alot of damage not being able to stealth
lavish wing
leave 😄
late gulch
ofc i vanish when i can :p . but it still got a big cd and most tanks seems to do it each pack 😛 maby ive just been unlucky with tanks
spice surge
A. It doesnt matter as much as you think, having mobs with rupture already up on them going into a new pack is actually good
B. If theres like 1 mob remaining with like 5% health you can stay back, finish of that mob and then stealth and go into the next pack
Very few packs actually put you in combat unless youre close to them
The main point of stealthing is to apply bleeds so you dont run out of energy and get scent stacked, but if you already have ruptures up on the previous pack you already get the extra regen and the agi
nova aspen
wintry trout
Is the assa 4p still giga bad?
oak eagle
how do you handle tanks pulling and not waiting for restealth. feels like i lose...
You don't lose as much damage as you think you are when getting restealths
vapid terrace
its better now
spice spire
Is the assa 4p still giga bad?
Pins have updated info
buoyant herald
Is the assa 4p still giga bad?
no, its now pretty average
nova aspen
wtf my garf sit didnt even farm 1 more garf sit
haughty flicker
runic hinge
Could be the wrong time of day for it
nova aspen
but its always garf time
spice surge
Its garfing time
spice spire
misty holly
Bellular covered the rogue changes in his 11.1 recap video today! Exciting stuff. https://youtu.be/RCrIixqlF7g?si=d4LL9L6Q7hvM3Q4p&t=1534
idle radish
Anyone else hate when your DM mob dies before full DM duration? UGH!
I once did a random sin key at the start of the season where I forgot that ambush applies mark
waxen field
me in raid when i want to reapply mark with vanish but i don't start with ambush and no subterfuge
red schooner
me in raid when i want to reapply mark with vanish but i don't start with ambush...
yup. muscle memory for vanish garrotte took over
rip
runic hinge
Did that at least 5 times this tier
haughty flicker
i definitely did that more than 5 times myself lmao
hollow river
Bellular covered the rogue changes in his 11.1 recap video today! Exciting stuf...
We actually don’t exist
Holy
runic hinge
Whisp should I craft a stilleto rn?
haughty flicker
wait did they never fix the speed
haughty flicker
lmao
celest helm
stilleto is so back
marble hemlock
That’s definitely what was wrong with it
does that constitute as the first actual assa buff this patch?
haughty flicker
im already crafting it
marble hemlock
balmy condor
does that constitute as the first actual assa buff this patch?
7% on stiletto is what you consider a buff but not the 800% buff to our 4 piece?
marble hemlock
well we didnt have that one before so
its just a new item
but stiletto is an actual buff compared to 11.0.7
balmy condor
Sure yeah
royal lantern
oh they buffed depths a bit?
runic hinge
And power
royal lantern
oh ye just saw
sharp falcon
7% stiletto?
earnest remnant
royal lantern
isnt the LW thing a embelishment aswell
spice surge
Ye prob time to swap for ST
marble hemlock
idk why they even buffed that?
misty holly
idk why they even buffed that?
Maybe doesnt scale with increased stats?
static damage effects tend to fall off as gear level goes up
main solar
"we REALLY want you to take this talent... please?"
marble hemlock
misty holly
Maybe it's a pvp change. BG Blitz is 8v8, so they want us able to hit everyone.
storm forum
indigo mulch
But 6% rupture dmg!
indigo leaf
they REALLY want sudden demise to be locked in dont they
marble hemlock
imagine being a shadow TC and painstakingly finding out the procrate of the tier, only to see this https://i.imgur.com/iykKE0K.jpeg
how bad would your mental be whispyr if they had that on our 4pc?
storm forum
im glad im swapping to disc
spice surge
imagine being a shadow TC and painstakingly finding out the procrate of the tier...
Atleast they had the decency to write it in a note
Sub in amirdrassil was just stealth changed
indigo mulch
I thought our ST was pretty bad already, not sure why they are just buffing our AoE though.
spice surge
True
tawdry halo
oh boy, random tuning changes 
dense rapids
Random is the right word, confused what their goal is
runic hinge
im glad im swapping to disc
My guild might make me go shadow. We are so melee heavy
indigo mulch
The goal is obv to increase the aoe 😄
marble hemlock
Random is the right word, confused what their goal is
put more damage behind bleeds in aoe
tawdry halo
i dont think this makes whispyr's all nighter redundant, but I'm not an expert
haughty flicker
indigo mulch
Oh no..
marble hemlock
Crimson tempest on ST angle now
i hate you
dense rapids
Why though I thought aoe was kinda fine
tawdry halo
holeee CT on single target miss me with that
buoyant herald
is a bleed focussed m+ build a thing?
indigo mulch
Ah, if i use WA to replace the icons i wont notice the difference right?
storm forum
My guild might make me go shadow. We are so melee heavy
yippee
tawdry halo
is a bleed focussed m+ build a thing?
yes but its not great on live
royal lantern
i hate you
even when they give CT a "scales with target count" effect, they just make the base dmg so high thatbCT on ST arrives 
rancid gyro
Ah, if i use WA to replace the icons i wont notice the difference right?
Just make a macro with rupture tooltip on top of that and its like pressing the same key 
buoyant herald
oh sweet so i can meme as assass in low keys now 😂
indigo mulch
Bleed focus in m+ is horrid. We had so many different iterations of rogues were dot's was the main focus and it always sucks.
misty holly
bit of a meme tbh
damn bro, Ive been playing the bleed build all season lol
tawdry halo
damn bro, Ive been playing the bleed build all season lol
sorry to be the bearer of bad news
royal lantern
Bleed focus in m+ is horrid. We had so many different iterations of rogues were ...
yeha bro, we need Green Eviscerate buffs, you are right
remove bleeds tbh
indigo mulch
Yes!
royal lantern
it means im pressing a button that is not envenom
indigo mulch
Let us only do damage through evi.
royal lantern
blasphemy at this point
indigo mulch
lmao
winged widget
Blacksmithing
Siponing Stilleto damaging effect to enemies increased by 7%.
indigo mulch
DoTs over all this entire exp has been pretty dog.
haughty flicker
i for one welcome our CT overlord
indigo mulch
dense rapids
So overall we happy with change or no?
balmy condor
Tuning for 2/21
Big Mega Tuning Video for pookies
Patch is tuesday btw
Buffs are around 3% in dungeons and 0.7% in single target
Authority of the Depths is +1.2% in single target, Radiant power is still recommended overall
These buffs don't really..... do anything? They are very strange overall including the awkward target cap increase on arterial which is now the only aoe ability which isn't 5 target on Assassination. I am so confused, as this is neither what assassination actually needs, nor is it in any amount that matters. If the goal was to make bleed damage more relevant in m+, it would've had to come with either an envenom or a caustic spatter nerf, with larger compensation towards bleeds. The way they did these buffs ends up just being essentially glorified patch note padding and an ovi'nax (or bunkjunker in 11.1) buff. The other strange thing about this is that buffing arterial would lean us towards maybe taking a cleave build in m+ that takes the left side, which would maybe help single target, but they also just buffed sudden demise, which pulls us in the opposite way.
The best way to describe these changes is simply aimless.
royal lantern
the enchant name is Radiant power
dense rapids
Glad I'm not the only one confused on what they're trying to achieve
tawdry halo
misty holly
sorry to be the bearer of bad news
It looks like bleeds getting a 6% + 5% buff at patch! So I can continue just playing it 
royal lantern
we'll know how to feel once whispyr finishes typing
finally my opinion arrived
indigo mulch
lmao
tawdry halo
It looks like bleeds getting a 6% + 5% buff at patch! So I can continue just pl...
my man hates caustic spatter - respect
indigo mulch
a nice 0.5% ST increase. Woawz
tawdry halo
slight improvement to ST damage in keys i guess?
tawdry halo
top kek
indigo mulch
I haven't seen many sims but i'm pretty sure that sin ST is in the bottom pack.
timid sonnet
at times like this I cant help but wonder if there is a build people have not discovered to cause such a discrepancy between the data Blizzard has and what people are seeing
balmy condor
tawdry halo
balmy condor
we're already schizo posting
sonic zinc
lol
haughty flicker
lmao
oak eagle
we're already schizo posting
we love schizo posting
indigo mulch
We do.
tawdry halo
just glad we're not dooming
timid sonnet
Our damage is reduced by pigeons!11 Its all a conspiracy!
royal lantern
at times like this I cant help but wonder if there is a build people have not di...
the forbidden crab build
tawdry halo
i'll take bewilderment over doom any day
indigo mulch
We don't come here for information about rogues. We come here to post meme's.
balmy condor
maybe our talents are like one of the puzzle mount things
and we have to untalent the right things
oak eagle
maybe our talents are like one of the puzzle mount things
TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
balmy condor
to unlock a secret 50% buff
indigo mulch
oak eagle
something I dont understand is the artierial buff
haughty flicker
shadowheart must be involved too
marble hemlock
# Tuning for 2/21
[Big Mega Tuning Video for pookies](<https://youtu.be/nfGynCG_...
wonder if blizzard realize that AP and SD are on opposite sides of the spec tree. sometimes i get the feeling that they look at a list of talents instead of the actual tree....
haughty flicker
brb gonna post this in the secret finders discord
royal lantern
something I dont understand is the artierial buff
yeha its weird
marble hemlock
they just see "oh, lots of bleed? lets go and buff it" even though it makes no sense when you actually try to talent into these improved versions
royal lantern
like, really really weird
nova aspen
wtf are those changes 
indigo mulch
Glorious changes.
tawdry halo
John blizzard really be over here spinning the wheel of tuning fortune
burnt drum
sin still to the go-to raid spec? seemingly***
indigo mulch
Can't we all just make a pact, all the rogues in teh community just forgets how to press buttons so the rogue data points towards rogues doing no damage at all so they maybe buff us for the raid release? 😄
timid sonnet
Warriors were ahead of BM and they got nerfed less, sin was near bottom and got buffed an insignificant amount - idk
its just random
tawdry halo
sin still to the go-to raid spec? seemingly***
just play what you like
you can get a real answer in 2 weeks when the wheel stops spinning
timid sonnet
last minute tuning is more like rage bait at the moment
dawn condor
But fire mage got away again… why?
spice spire
I had to reread that buff again. We buffed crimson tempest 
indigo mulch
I mean to be fair, it dosen't really matter since they most likley will do another round at HC/mythic release as well.
burnt star
then they push the change to the x.5 XD
spice spire
I’m curious on that decision.
marble hemlock
I mean to be fair, it dosen't really matter since they most likley will do anoth...
buddy, theyll probably do more tomorrow and sunday and monday
and during maintenance
timid sonnet
I mean to be fair, it dosen't really matter since they most likley will do anoth...
yes the remaining 0.5%
hollow river
Warriors were ahead of BM and they got nerfed less, sin was near bottom and got ...
if you're going off sims with this, you shouldn't be 💀
marble hemlock
and then half of those dont make it to live week1 cuz they just pushed the last build candidate that didnt include the hotfixes
indigo mulch
buddy, theyll probably do more tomorrow and sunday and monday
You know, i believe in blizzard! I'm sure they know what they are doing. 
timid sonnet
if you're going off sims with this, you shouldn't be 💀
Except for outlaw for reasons I am not knowledgeable about (probably perfect RNG requirement idk) sims are usually close to what you get with perfect play - ofc encounters/uptime will change stuff but mechanics are for everyone :p
timid sonnet
yes I know thats the conventional wisdom but what else do we have to pass time until patch - watch Peetko make tier lists out of his purely anecdotal experience?
haughty flicker
yes I know thats the conventional wisdom but what else do we have to pass time u...
i prefer saying dumb shit in discord
as a pastime of choice
royal lantern
yes I know thats the conventional wisdom but what else do we have to pass time u...
watch funny cat videos
haughty flicker
its pretty fun
indigo mulch
I'm leveling a tank and having a blast.
Getting oneshot by everything cause i don't have the capability of using my brain.
haughty flicker
indigo mulch
I tried playing DH tank for the first time, and i quickly figured out that if you don't press demon spikes before pulling a pack you just die.
timid sonnet
well yes but no
royal lantern
yes, tanks need to use deffensives
timid sonnet
just press something
royal lantern
thats tank gameplay 
indigo mulch
Everytime a tank buster comes i clench my buttsheeks in hope that i don't get clapped to hard and just instantly fall over.
Tyranical weeks is scary for noob tanks like myself ._."
tawdry halo
just get a weakaura pack that tells you when to press dr buttons before tankbuster mechs
then afk
indigo mulch
But then how i'm i supposed to train my ring muscles?
indigo mulch
uneven plume
When Aug gets nerfed, everyone else gets buffed
rich parrot
uneven plume
I’m surprised they buffed feral tho
tawdry halo
I’m surprised they buffed feral tho
feral has a high skill ceiling and ive seen like 2 that can do it well, so probably trying to bring the average player adjacent to the realm of viable
proper cosmos
Feral is the new Assa
tropic jewel
this "buff" feels really good regarding the patch hits next week
buoyant herald
feral is assass and sub rolled into one
tropic jewel
all this waiting time for like nothing xD
uneven plume
It’s not a bad buff for m+
buoyant herald
this "buff" feels really good regarding the patch hits next week
if literally nothing else, it's a good reminder not to get too excited or upset over anything until you're actually playing it
uneven plume
Idk about ST tho
royal lantern
It’s not a bad buff for m+
it isnt really
like, its something yeha
but its far from a big noticable thing
cus soooo much of assa dmg is envenom/spatter
haughty flicker
at least dk got buffed
uneven plume
Do spatter and envenom really need more buffs?
hollow river
tropic jewel
haha true 😄
indigo mulch
Makes sense!
uneven plume
Don’t we still have one of the best ST?
hollow river
at least dk got buffed
don't think it needed it tbh
royal lantern
Do spatter and envenom really need more buffs?
no, they need nerfs and bleeds need noticable buffs lol
brisk vapor
Bellular covered the rogue changes in his 11.1 recap video today! Exciting stuf...
Still waiting for the Ret dev to work on rogues
uneven plume
In raid I mean
balmy condor
well we're currently like 15% behind sub or something
royal lantern
In raid I mean
far from it
tawdry halo
Still waiting for the Ret dev to work on rogues
no thanks I like using my brain sometimes
uneven plume
Maybe the energy regen needs buffs? Idk
indigo mulch
I'm guessing we're playing sub this tier. :C
balmy condor
static glacier
well we're currently like 15% behind sub or something
ngl i might try to just sin anyway
balmy condor
yes the energy is the issue
indigo mulch
balmy condor
static glacier
if sub still has to rupture spam
hollow river
if sub still has to rupture spam
that's likely dead
tawdry halo
they're cooking with new sims on that now
static glacier
that's likely dead
wonderful news, an* italian bmt sub is back on the menu
soft surge
Something happened
earnest remnant
that's likely dead
Spec is dead it’s joever
tropic jewel
ill palay assas anyway in raid if its anyway close
tawdry halo
Just play what you like
main blaze
Just play what you like
dont tell me what to play.
tawdry halo
earnest remnant
no shot. plz no shot
Think we got a slight nerf
main blaze
❤️
earnest remnant
I haven’t even looked in there
I just napkin math
Im Asian uknow. Im quite good at math
lean plover
Time to swap discord name whispyr
earnest remnant
Denmark good at math too
balmy condor
Time to swap discord name whispyr
why
lean plover
tuning happened
main blaze
"A faint Whispyr of tuning"
hollow river
just joking
tawdry halo
definitely no more tuning to come
balmy condor
can't I still be waiting for tuning
lean plover
Yeah they will do a fuckton of tuning the next like 4/5 weeks
brave comet
So ass single target in raids is gonna be mid?
raven egret
So ass single target in raids is gonna be mid?
We don't know ~
We could be gods for all we know
soft surge
Seems good for Chinese grim batol bleed build enjoyers
severe meadow
The shiv change is def something
tawdry halo
it's deifinitely a change
hollow river
extremely odd
tawdry halo
definitely one of the changes of patch 11.1
hollow river
i assume that's them trying to make it worth using in m+? 
tawdry halo
yeah, maybe
balmy condor
i assume that's them trying to make it worth using in m+? <:logs:585734084232347...
yeah except they buffed sudden demise as well
static glacier
can't I still be waiting for tuning
it's okay pookie, the envenom buffs are coming next week
tawdry halo
or maybe they didnt really think about it
balmy condor
and a bleed build that takes both doesn't take kingsbane
and does even less single target
indigo mulch
balmy condor
so It'll probably never be viable
static glacier
more than anything the 8t shiv change helps raid aoe veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery slightly
severe meadow
pls god not lower ST damage
balmy condor
I think I can actually override the arterial target count change
lets see if it does something
indigo mulch
maiden sierra
i love dooming after every tuning post
indigo mulch
We are here for the meme's not the dooming.
tight ginkgo
maiden sierra
soft surge
Can’t you override the darkness night not fall of in combat thing
spice surge
I love having 0 changes across all of PTR and then we just get the guillotine right before release so i have to rewrite my shit
maiden sierra
im already done deciding to main sub for the tier 
static glacier
I love having 0 changes across all of PTR and then we just get the guillotine ri...
serves you right for spamming a sin spell for dps
grr
go back to nightblade
runic hinge
I love having 0 changes across all of PTR and then we just get the guillotine ri...
The life of a math do-er. Couldn’t be me. I just feelcraft.
royal lantern
i love dooming after every tuning post
man, the channel didnt even went slowmode
indigo mulch
We're not angry enough.
tawdry halo
whats to doom? we got a "something is better than nothing" buff that doesnt change anything
(so far)
earnest remnant
You could have caught a stray like sub. And take a 5% nerf for nothing
tawdry halo
You could have caught a stray like sub. And take a 5% nerf for nothing
channel in absolute shambles rn
maiden sierra
man, the channel didnt even went slowmode
i think you guys should try harder with the dooming, like me.
im an expert doomer
main blaze
Its not a doom per se. Its just like it wasnt a focused or thoughtful change it seems. And like Eleem mentioned, 0 changes through the whole PTR and this right at the last minute. Just feels like they are throwing in some buffs just to pad out the notes to show all specs got something.
indigo mulch
I'm i'm pretty confident that sin will see some ST adjustment the coming weeks. Not sure if its going to be big or small but i don't think they will leave sin ST in the gutter like that.
spice surge
Whats assa at for ST whispyr
indigo mulch
balmy condor
little under 2.3
buoyant herald
uh oh
earnest remnant
channel in absolute shambles rn
I have nothing to say that isn’t gonna hit filter about what they did. So instead of sitting up and mald imma go sleep
spice surge
Ic ic, so sub didnt get nerfed quite to assa levels
balmy condor
none of this shit matters on assa lmao it's actually hilarious
I'm just simming for the fun of it
I guess demise is locked in for 11.1 though
buoyant herald
blizz saw that "patch note lines" pie chart the other day
wanted the yellow slice to be bigger
indigo mulch
I actually like SD 😦
buoyant herald
buffed the slice without buffing the specs
indigo mulch
I mean the staple has always been ST = assassination = good.
AoE = sin = bad, now we're like mediocre AoE and horrible st. Not sure whats going on in balance land.
indigo mulch
From what i've seen of the new raid i don't think our aoe profile will work at all with bleed talents. The adds seams to be small and die qickly so any attempt to aoe them will just be meh with a bleed spec and since our ST is so low caustic wont really do much for us D:
indigo mulch
Yeh
Starfall will be the new top spec. 😄
Its not even boomkin, its just starfall.
Anyone remember the chimmy right boss in shadowlands? 😄
dapper cradle
Is sin eating good?
maiden sierra
No
indigo mulch
Depends on what you like.
dapper cradle
No i just meant if everyone had a nice dinner
indigo mulch
If you like fermented herrings then yes, we're eating great.
spice spire
I’m just hung up on Ct buffs
spice spire
No i just meant if everyone had a nice dinner
Steak sandwich
dapper cradle
You’re hung?
haughty flicker
owo
maiden sierra
No i just meant if everyone had a nice dinner
greggs
indigo mulch
What's greggs? 😮
dapper cradle
Nice bulge king
spice spire
You’re hung?
Hahahahahaha. I’m also funny
maiden sierra
What's greggs? 😮
indigo mulch
balmy condor
@spice surge the authority buffs are in latest
indigo mulch
Brittish food is just meh.
maiden sierra
agreed
indigo mulch
I worked as a chef in england for about a year. The brits barley use salt and peper in their food.
Its very sadge
spice spire
Learned lazy lore
maiden sierra
I worked as a chef in england for about a year. The brits barley use salt and pe...
in their food?
brother they dont own any food, all their food is indian
maiden sierra
damn i dont even know what that is
dapper cradle
Scott eggs look like turds rolled in dust bunnies
maiden sierra
im not a propa engrish yet
indigo mulch
Or is it pork, i can't remember. Been awhile.
burnt drum
!macro
fallen plover
just sausage meat can be either beef or pork but ye usually pork
dapper cradle
F
maiden sierra
as a pole, every day i get more baffled by the british ability to eat like peasants during ww2
spice spire
During ww2? Buddy that’s their cuisine
maiden sierra
i tried a full british breakfast once
they like cardboard
their sausages are not food
i refuse to believe its real meat
fallen plover
ok make your own version then its not hard
indigo mulch
I don't even know how people can eat a full english breakfast in the morning, its insane how much food there is.
._.
haughty flicker
luv me bleeds, luv me poisons, ate outlaws (not racist i just dont like em), simple as
haughty flicker
sonic schooner
D: but i like bleeds 
, but also i like die 🎲 , but also i like afk 25s every minute 
D:
maiden sierra
ay then, yer alroight, fer one of dem half bluds dat is
sonic schooner
i ll need my british translator
maiden sierra
(i said youre a fine bloke, for one of the "bad kind")
sonic schooner
subtle kiln
@balmy condor what do you want buffed next since apparently I willed the CT buff into existence. 
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> what do you want buffed next since apparently I willed the...
vicious venoms
subtle kiln
On it.
proper cosmos
we cooked?
no we just waiting for blizzard to take our raid buff too
gentle flower
so um which rogue specs is leading the dps in s2?
is mut still in the dog water lol D: i really dont wanna go sub
hollow river
earnest remnant
<:kekw3:907372904130441217>
dont ruin this
hollow river
LOL
earnest remnant
im on my villain arc here
placid adder
true evil
earnest remnant
make him gear for outlaw
just for it to never be meta
then he gets benched for a trial
that plays assa
and it scars him for life
meanwhile i sit here sipping on my choccy milk giggling
gentle flower
Chill its only an alt for our split alt runs lol
hollow river
meanwhile i sit here sipping on my choccy milk giggling
earnest remnant
dont ruin my fantasy setup
hollow river
diabolical
placid adder
odd question for someone who does splits
gentle flower
i thought mut rogues were doing the least before
earnest remnant
who calls it mut rogue
gentle flower
HEY i was like 7 or 8 when people were calling it mut rogues
🤷♂️ not gonna call it assa
gentle flower
i mean looking at the dps logs it might as well be without the A
smh i really dont wanna go sub rogue though flagulation or w/e is aids
earnest remnant
how is flag where you have your issue with sub? xD
gentle flower
HIV then not full blown aids
vagrant brook
s1 legion sub was peak
vagrant brook
dfa tech 
earnest remnant
s1 legion was perm dance shi
runic hinge
i thought mut rogues were doing the least before
You last play rogue in wotlk
earnest remnant
DFA was tomb of sarg
vagrant brook
oh tomb ye
earnest remnant
they would be very upset if they could read
wispy epoch
My fingers aren’t quick enough dancing between pistol shot and between the eyes
As I cream myself during subterfuge/AR
And look up to notice I’m only doing 1.2mil dmg
Meanwhile if I dare to press garrote and rupture on a whole ass pack, I’m pretty much energy capped the whole time even with max feint uptime, doing like 4-5mil
With like very little big CD use
Maybe a kings bane for lols
naive crescent
I fucking hate outlaw guys
frozen glacier
me coming to the discord to see everyone celebrating buffs only for whispyr to crush my hopes and dreams
wanton spear
so does rogue just not have a rogue dev anymore? like wtf is that arterial buff...
balmy condor
there's no such thing as a "rogue dev"
uneven plume
that arterial buff makes us sound target capped
nova aspen
we now have an unpaid intern
subtle kiln
We’re on the past shaman dev timeline, which can only mean one thing. Ion stopped playing shaman and is now a rogue main.
dapper cradle
i hope they hire someone soon
nova aspen
but hey i wont complain, a buff is a buff..
runic hinge
i hope they hire someone soon
We should apply together as a package deal
Call us the goon squad
true rapids
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
any garfers
snow hamlet
hello
vagrant brook
fringe spear
pearl bluff
So... does this spec look OK for ?? Zekvir as Assassination? lol. I read a few things... to not use Cheat Death, for example...
pearl bluff
I read something a friend sent and said not to use Cheat Death. "on’t use cheat death, use Elusiveness. This will give you a blanket 20% less direct damage on a 45 second cooldown which will be invaluable for dealing with both the dot in bad situations and cheat death won’t keep you alive through the dot anyway." 🤷♀️ I'll look at dashing. Thanks!
runic hinge
I don’t think elusiveness will keep you alive through the dot either tbh and cheat will save you one fuck up
pearl bluff
ok I'll switch back lol. Got him to 35% on 1st 2 attempts today. Probably have done right over 10 total on him. 
runic hinge
You can cheat and then pot right after if you mess up or there’s like a bad egg spawn in aoe or something. Idk. You’re really just hoping for good dispel rng and him not full cleaving the egg
pearl bluff
Thanks 🙂
pearl bluff
yah I just found out about vanishing the dot, so I haven't worked on that yet
runic hinge
That helps a lot when you have 2 vanishes
kindred cobalt
Elusiveness is way better to M+
haughty flicker
I’m tempted to go back and try zekvir
I beat him when brann was giga broken and did like 3x my damage
kindred cobalt
CD is better in raids
haughty flicker
I kind of want to beat him legit lmao
pearl bluff
yah I also didn't have the 2 vanish charges... I thought one of my specs, either M+ or Raid, had it, but I was accidentally in M+ spec for some attempts, and then my Raid spec didn't have it either. A friend found that spec with it, so I just switched, lol.
pearl bluff
I kind of want to beat him legit lmao
do it lol
runic hinge
Took me 15 tries at like 609
balmy condor
scent + sudden demise kinda blows for zek idk
balmy condor
yeah probably fine too
pearl bluff
scent + sudden demise kinda blows for zek idk
where would you go with the points instead? 😛
balmy condor
just full single target and you take 2x vanish for the dot dispel
pearl bluff
I think I ran the wowhead delve recommended page lol
i started with that one a little while ago, but a friend sent me another spec he found LOL
balmy condor
p1 is much harder than p2 though
just because he autos you way less in p2
and getting auto'd is kinda the biggest issue
pearl bluff
yah I got him to P2 a few times. First 2 attempts today were 35% -.-
balmy condor
so the build is probably fine but scent/sudden demise seems pretty overkill for the eggs
they're not up that often and the execute probably doesn't do shit
probably better to just slot heal gems into circlet, take a raid build, 2x vanish, and then just get a clean pull into p2
pearl bluff
would you go tiny toxic blade and zoldyck instead?
balmy condor
and then from there fight just dies
no
just blindside
tiny toxic is giga shit
pearl bluff
oh ok lol
runic hinge
Imagine if shiv did big dam tho
Like they put in the patch notes shiv damage increased by 30%
Crazy
bronze pike
and then from there fight just dies
Whispyr
I’m having a panic moment at work
Sooth me with details of sin
bronze pike
Are we dead?
balmy condor
Sooth me with details of sin
no
bronze pike
runic hinge
8 target tiny toxic blade technology
Was that amidrasill they just randomly buffed shiv damage by 30%
balmy condor
ye
runic hinge
Wait ic when it was a 45 second cd was 8 targets right?
I remember asking realz why ic was 8 and ap was 5 and he had some reason. Now he finally makes ap 8 targets after ic is different. He’s trolled me. What a long con.
pearl bluff
p.s. thanks y'all.. i'm about to try some more after I go grab a water, lmao. I wish we could reset our cheat death like in raid though... 😐
covert jewel
me coming to the discord to see everyone celebrating buffs only for whispyr to c...
got pinged with 13% shadow buff only to then read tier got nuked and its prob same story as sub, flat buff aint covering the tier nerf, same reaction
dapper cradle
i'm really frustrated
gonna internalize my frustration and let it out on the people close to me this weekend
runic hinge
Smart
spice spire
gonna internalize my frustration and let it out on the people close to me this w...
Brother what is your warriors name
Are you okay
dapper cradle
Brother what is your warriors name
haha my cat ran over my keyboard
spice spire
cloud basin
Read the buffs and my first reaction was "wtf, but why though "
wind estuary
We follow the bread crumbs that lead to crimson tempest being used in single target for the ultimate bleed build dream
golden loom
A good day for bleed build enjoyers
pearl bluff
yay! thanks again y'all lolol... my nerves are too bad for this kind of stuff
pearl bluff
lol thanks 😊
lusty kraken
So does the arterial precision buff do anything for the m+ build or
runic hinge
yay! thanks again y'all lolol... my nerves are too bad for this kind of stuff <:...
Yay good job
runic hinge
So does the arterial precision buff do anything for the m+ build or
That is using the bleed build that doesn’t take dtb
pearl bluff
Yay good job
Thanks for the help too! 😊
jaunty cape
!fuu
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runic hinge
Thanks for the help too! 😊
You’re welcome!
winged sun
st buff right? 
runic hinge
Cause ap is sick
golden loom
cause blizzard invested into bleedmax3000 stocks
just watch, internal bleeding buff before patch drops
runic hinge
That would be a single target buff
golden loom
That would be a single target buff
to the untrained eye yes
rotund oak
i mean im more confused than i could ever be
why would ap to 8 targets matters that much
golden loom
Crimson tempest buff is really weird, that button is already thanos
proper holly
z
rotund oak
it directly points on arterial shock build again,think i like t
its just the target count thats sus
maybe they want us to juice more on our shiv windows
kindred cobalt
Maybe we will see now double shiv in m+, who knows lol
I don’t know what blizzard what from us, or if they even know wtf they are doing
runic hinge
Bleed build gamers now
peak bobcat
Bleed build gamers now
Bleeding after we cut our wrists fr
jolly heath
I think because they see people yapping Assa is envenom spec so they want change it to bleed
balmy condor
yeh instead of 35% envenom it's 33.8% envenom now
weary spear
Was about ask someone to pin whispyr for me
After tuning changes should I play iron wire next season?
balmy condor
what
lusty kraken
are the latest in simc now?
pliant remnant
runic hinge
Bleeding after we cut our wrists fr
Taking internal bleeding so it can be like irl
peak bobcat
weary spear
Was being sarcastic forget me
rotund oak
still trying to understand why 8 targets instead of 5,like they rly wanted to juice up those IC bleeds from the opener or what
i like SD buff though
lusty kraken
is crimson tempest buffed enough to use in single target? 
rotund oak
if there is another ovinax fight im uninstalling retail
balmy condor
are the latest in simc now?
yeh looks like it
golden loom
arterial is a cool talent also so atleast its somethin
balmy condor
is crimson tempest buffed enough to use in single target? <:LOLW:111825774769630...
not even close
balmy condor
if there is another ovinax fight im uninstalling retail
okay well 11.1 has ovi'nax reskinned
just without the wa's
dapper cradle
No please no bro please bro
lusty kraken
why, padding fights are fun
balmy condor
instead of getting a debuff to break eggs you roll a ball over trash piles
lusty kraken
unless you're a warrior and you get nerfed into the ground because of that
balmy condor
it's fun
dapper cradle
On my hands and knees like a dog bro please
rotund oak
just without the wa's
thx man,pretty encouraging 
runic hinge
still trying to understand why 8 targets instead of 5,like they rly wanted to ju...
I’m telling you they did it as a bit because I asked why ap was 5 targets and 45 sec cd IC was 8 back in 10.0 so now they made ap 8 targets to mess with me specifically
rotund oak
I’m telling you they did it as a bit because I asked why ap was 5 targets and 45...
im gonna put u into latex and through u into a cage with @subtle tundra
sharp viper
I was hyped when I saw assassination tuning, now I'm disappointed after watching whispyrs video
jade abyss
Whispyr dropped a new video?
sharp viper
oak musk
Whispyr? never hoid ovem
rotund oak
I was hyped when I saw assassination tuning, now I'm disappointed after watching...
im already waiting for the next one,bro is surely cooking another guide or something
balmy condor
I was hyped when I saw assassination tuning, now I'm disappointed after watching...
how could you be disappointed, I even gave that nice ASMR cracking open a water
golden loom
the water sponsor has to come in after that one
red schooner
So, did they just go "shit, we forgot to give rogues something, idk just give them a minor bleed buff or something"
sharp viper
how could you be disappointed, I even gave that nice ASMR cracking open a water
disappointed by the class tuning, your ASMR and video had me ecstatic
just imagine how I would feel without you cracking open that can of something
balmy condor
sharp viper
it's called outlaw
supple spindle
I was kinda bamboozled when i saw it lmao
supple spindle
it's called outlaw
I mean look at this
supple spindle
Candy cigarettes
Candy cigarettes were actually badass
runic hinge
They got you
sharp viper
We used to have something like that when I was a kid
Now I'm a fatebound outlaw enjoyer in 11.1
pastel roost
quick question does anybody know if we'll have the new season M0 at weekly reset ? with updated ilvl ?
rocky zodiac
Whispyr mentioned in the Pins that he removed to envenom pandemic Logic from Sims. Dies that mean we no longer Care about that and Just Hit envenom no Matter If 2nd Stack of envenom isnt in pandemic range yet?
sharp viper
he probably accepted that we, the players, are just dumb and press buttons when we should be pooling - now he wants the sims to be more accurate to the players
lusty kraken
I don't think that should be the right approach
static glacier
Whispyr mentioned in the Pins that he removed to envenom pandemic Logic from Sim...
It matters but it matters so little that it doesn’t matter
If you know what I mean
I personally still like to play around 2 stack uptime but it won’t really give you any noticeable change in dps vs just sending env
rocky zodiac
Yeah ok i understand. Just means that im Not published hard for fucking up xD still new to the spec
sharp viper
I don't think that should be the right approach
I'm just speculating, gotta ask the man himself
@balmy condor
marble hemlock
i doubt that specifically is the reason for it, but whispyr tends to prefer APLs that are a bit more "realistic", i.e. stuff that needs multiple very specific conditions to be a tiny gain, but is somewhat impossible for a regular human being to do, will not be added
at the end of the day sims are supposed to be able to inform gameplay choices and rotational priorities, its not just a "look at me i can get a .8% higher sim" game
subtle tundra
hey i read the buffs and i got an aneurysm
sharp viper
at the end of the day sims are supposed to be able to inform gameplay choices an...
I kinda doubt most TCs are on that line of thought
balmy condor
Whispyr mentioned in the Pins that he removed to envenom pandemic Logic from Sim...
yes
marble hemlock
I kinda doubt most TCs are on that line of thought
enhance had some really wacky shit in it early TWW
like, humanly impossible shit.
balmy condor
i doubt that specifically is the reason for it, but whispyr tends to prefer APLs...
in this case it actually just doesn't matter
marble hemlock
perfect
bronze pike
another example is outlaw in general
with the amount of rules of sub 1% gains
that the average player wouldnt be able to do without a large amount of spec awareness
balmy condor
yeh this isn't sub 1% gains or anything it's just legit I checked pooling conditions and playing around envenom uptime didn't get out of margin of error
marble hemlock
thank god
sharp viper
marble hemlock
subtle tundra
did you sim holding shiv for 4pc proc
strange sleet
Are the new buffs more relevant in lower keys than high keys? I did a couple 10's the other day in the PTR and I felt like everything died way too quickly for me to do "good" damage
sharp viper
did you sim holding shiv for 4pc proc
that sounds horrendous to play around
balmy condor
did you sim holding shiv for 4pc proc
yes
sharp viper
Pooling for Columbine
runic hinge
Do we even run out of energy in ST anymore?
warm vortex
The pools have been open for 5 minutes and a lifeguard had already had to rescue 2 people
Like how
?????
subtle tundra
still me
sharp viper
@balmy condor I'm bored and have too much time
warm vortex
balmy condor
chilly marsh
Do we break the 4p for the new 2p in season 2?
grim jay
Do we break the 4p for the new 2p in season 2?
if it sims higher for you at that point in time
sharp viper
Do we break the 4p for the new 2p in season 2?
according to the sims in whispers new video 2p+2p is better than old 4p but worse than new 4p
grim jay
dont trust that whisper guy blindly
balmy condor
2+2 is really really good
but it'll lose eventually
just because of ilvl
good for prog
warm vortex
dont trust that whisper guy blindly
True
What even is his Rio again?
normal mist
DAMN
static glacier
dont trust that whisper guy blindly
Don’t trust that whispyr in general, when have you seen a trustworthy guy who has to whisper smh like
analog field
guys any fast reccomended talents for zekvir ? wha tto drop to take double vanish (also do you reset if you vanish with bran alive)?
rocky flicker
guys any fast reccomended talents for zekvir ? wha tto drop to take double vanis...
I dropped cheat for feint. Seemd to work fine.
Other than that standard ST with 2x vanish.
analog field
wha tdo you drop for 2x vanish ? the supercharger line ?
rocky flicker
The standar ones. crit one and massive/tiny one. Atleast I ran those.
Seemd to do the trick.
Also I never tricked Brann, just face tanked the Zekvir.
rocky flicker
Yea, this one. 😄
analog field
ty i ll give it a try
rocky flicker
Rogue is not as easy, be patient. 😄
One thing I picked up is that i always shadow step boss when killing the egg if he casts massive cone.
Safer and faster than trying to run out of it.
analog field
ah nice one
granite sentinel
!tea
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
plush iris
Are we playing shiv build in m+ next tier?
normal mist
pins should cover that information
chilly mist
are the recent changes included in the % gain on 2/4set in the pins?
grim jay
are the recent changes included in the % gain on 2/4set in the pins?
did you try reading the whole pin
chilly mist
did you try reading the whole pin
Don't see anything regarding the shadow-buff to the tier set, might be blind though
primal burrow
Well .. guess I'll keep rogue for M+ is iron wire needed with mate and will switch to mage as main for progress. Dont like how they think about rogue. At least rupture is what is needed for sustain in the class identity but, first step I guess.
chilly mist
did you try reading the whole pin
feel free to recite the part that covers that because I cant see it
spice surge
primal burrow
It's not like you can apply bleed/dots as easy as an affliction or spriest for example. So dont see the buff helping much for reverb
grim jay
Well .. guess I'll keep rogue for M+ is iron wire needed with mate and will swit...
wdym
with "dont like how they think about rogue"
primal burrow
I mean the nerf for tier set sub without enough compensation (imho) and the buffs for assa who is clearly aimed for M+ profile. Casters will just be too good this season.
hollow river
I mean the nerf for tier set sub without enough compensation (imho) and the buff...
the compensation was fine
acoustic roost
So you have the tuning numbers for next week or post rwf?
primal burrow
the compensation was fine
Fine when other classes where upped so much during the patch ? Hum...
hollow river
huh?
warm vortex
pins should cover that information
People don’t read them
primal burrow
huh?
Sry I read french site for patch, they messed it up. English one indeed nerfs many OP. Big winner in that is shaman and lage untouched yet.
primal burrow
And for now our raid group lost his mage so I may end up switching anyway for opti
royal lantern
it is strong, but it isn't fire mage
you know
"first major patch of a expansion, fire mage is OP now" is weirdly consistent
primal burrow
Blizzard clearly screams "this time it's caster time"
hollow river
dunno, people say that every season
"this raid is bad for melee" or "these dungeons are bad for melee"
primal burrow
Yeah, but first test and stats show caster at 1.5/6 M and melee at 1.3M average from what I saw on spreadsheet
primal burrow
A little bit but hey ain't gonna gain 300k
spice surge
??
primal burrow
The difference seemed big to me
spice surge
That sheet is completely irrelevant
spice surge
Not only is the tuning different
But on ptr testing people dont have set strats
Or they run around and try things
Like standing in fire for fun to see how much damage it does or just not trying to do the best dps because its just ptr
grim jay
I wonder if its another izen sheet
spice surge
Its a complete meme to draw any conclusions from it
golden loom
Isnt it like prot warrior simming high in damage, but its spamming execute which it would never do in a real situation
spice surge
Yes sometimes tank sims are a bit of a meme
But its probably gonna do very high damage either way, even with having to use rage defensively
golden loom
Yep, just the general idea that you kinda have to take things with a grain of salt
weary spear
Is fire mage actually good? Haven’t seen one top the meters in a PTR m+ yet
hollow river
yeah
weary spear
Or better data from raid testing?
weary spear
I play PTR lol
hidden torrent
https://tenor.com/view/mouxy-cotorep-aveugle-debile-esquiver-gif-20546128
spooge playing ptr
weary spear
Maybe mages scared to play good around me cuz my sub dps so sad
hot urchin
It’s a good day to be a rogue
normal mist
It's always a good day to be a rogue
nova aspen
is it a good day to be a rogue when MH wilds launches?
normal mist
No
nova aspen
hollow river
normal mist
Then it becomes a good day to be a weeb longsword user
winged quail
No no that's when League arena drops
time to become Arena God again no time to hunt monsters
winged quail
yeah fuck anything gatcha
weary spear
<@167090536602140682> I'm bored and have too much time
This is criminal
brazen sluice
!wa
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strange sleet
Here, a lil bit more data even if it is useles @balmy condor
