I see your point mala
#assassination
bronze pike
But it’s hard to make unique masteries
Like ret for example is legit just
U do more holy dam
And your judgement and how has a chance to do more damage
End of the day a lot of masteries are just more dam
quiet oar
Mastery for Outlaw was good in classic
because it increased your change of getting main gauche
which gave you more energy
but thats a relic of the past
bronze pike
Reworking all of them to have synergies and what would be hard to balanace
Old ret mastery was legit divine purpose
Your spenders have a chance to hit more and be free
Reads more like a talent then a stat
bright cipher
I don't think slight alterations to the masteries would be hard, it don't even necessarily need complex reworks
but secondary stats are indeed f'd
static glacier
can you explain why the dragons tempered our blades?
bright cipher
there are classes who need a higher-baseline damage just because their secondary stats are f'd
balmy condor
can you explain why the dragons tempered our blades?
made them do it for the embellishments
static glacier
can you ask them to trade having 2x utility poisons for 3x deadly?
quiet oar
oh no
DO I USE INSTANT POISON OR WOUND POISON FOR MY THIRD LETHAL POISON ?
WHISPYR PLS HELP
humble verge
your mum
bronze pike
there are classes who need a higher-baseline damage just because their secondary...
Ye bacially
Kk guys imma watch 4chan paranormal greentext videos till i fall asleep
final star
@balmy condor can we unban soviet or is that a no-go
balmy condor
no
bronze pike
Wait sorry if that’s to personal
brave stump
no whispyr usually likes to ban random people
he chugs a can of monster and hits the big red button
balmy condor
guy got like a dozen final warnings for filter word and bashing devs and other fuckery and then he just went over the line for the million and one-th time
bronze pike
Understandable
balmy condor
think he still has the record for most filter hits
bronze pike
So he did a stupid/bad
quiet oar
balmy condor
at one point he was literally throwing filtered words into his blizzard rants because he got in trouble for bashing devs
just to have the bot auto-delete the message
as if that's better
brave stump
I feel sorry for him, sounds like he has no grass in his area
bright cipher
It takes one bad day
bronze pike
be me
outlaw player
quiet oar
I feel sorry for him, sounds like he has no grass in his area
Bold of you to assume that he would touch grass, even it was right next to him
brave stump
Bold of you to assume that he would touch grass, even it was right next to him
We both should touch some grass in The Isle and make some babys
bronze pike
brave stump
Dating is just a cultural difference to get into a relationship
little tulip
wee hee
royal lantern
just to have the bot auto-delete the message
that is actually so giga brain
"cant say that my message is bad, if a bot auto removes it"
quiet oar
If its deleted, it was never written
balmy condor
quiet oar
royal lantern
hearty reef
snow hamlet
hollow river
humble verge
radiant raven
balmy condor
incorrect, varas is the fun
quiet oar
he is like the old grumpy grandpa
seeing the kids play and need to yeel at them
to quit having fun
balmy condor
where's the bis list guy to tell me how important it is for a reference
the top fucking 14 gear swaps I tried are perfectly equal
what a waste of time
hearty reef
midnight mist
what a waste of time
Skill issue
balmy condor
bro there's like 5 capes in this sim and they're all within 0.2%
subtle tundra
youre
balmy condor
I mean I fucking will
hearty reef
why do I need to make bis lists
i need my leverage during lot council
balmy condor
but at least I gotta try in case I'm dumb ya know
midnight mist
What is this 3.1 number, my sim is lower
subtle tundra
nuh uh
midnight mist
Whisper why you cheating with numbers
balmy condor
What is this 3.1 number, my sim is lower
dungone shrize
midnight mist
No wae big buffa??
hearty reef
assa outlier?
balmy condor
does this make you happier zac
hearty reef
balmy condor
just you wait till my 4pc fixed in sims
midnight mist
balmy condor
maybe 2.3
subtle tundra
cucked once again
quiet oar
Lowballing to get buffs
midnight mist
Outlaw on top
balmy condor
midnight mist
Outlaw tier
quiet oar
midnight mist
You heard it here first
subtle tundra
whats your outlaw numbar
midnight mist
Higher than yours
midnight mist
I don't leak numbers
balmy condor
what does it matter
subtle tundra
you leak cum
balmy condor
we getting outdps'd by tank specs
midnight mist
We don't stop here
humble verge
we getting outdps'd by tank specs
midnight mist
thats your IQ ?
Your mom asshole circumference
balmy condor
let all the dumbshit PTR spreadsheet andys waste their time copy pasting sims
hearty reef
0?
balmy condor
and then prot warrior is middle of the pack DPS spec
quiet oar
Your mom asshole circumference
balmy condor
and they have to take a look in the mirror
and think about their life
fucking bozos
midnight mist
https://tenor.com/view/get-rotated-get-rotated-idiot-rotate-rotation-shark-gif-2...
You can't rotate me
I'm already rotated
quiet oar
fuck
hearty reef
let all the dumbshit PTR spreadsheet andys waste their time copy pasting sims
bro you dont get it serious guilds are already reserving loot for pumpers
balmy condor
hearty reef
i have to tell em that house of cards is a 12% upgrade for me so first to show up goes to me
quiet oar
and then prot warrior is middle of the pack DPS spec
20 man Prot warrior mythic raid
balmy condor
horse cock dps only for my 11.1 roster tyvm
humble verge
bro you dont get it serious guilds are already reserving loot for pumpers
what, like 10 out of the 1000000000000 guilds that raid
bright cipher
you know what is worse, gems.
little tulip
so so glad ferals are extinct in this game omh
bright cipher
fucking gems
balmy condor
<:omegalul:585734084777476096> you know what is worse, gems.
I don't sim gems anymore
little tulip
the leather is all for me
red schooner
what, like 10 out of the 1000000000000 guilds that raid
10 guilds actually performing at that level, about 500 thinking they're performing at that level
bright cipher
me neither, i just pick whatever makes numbers look pretier
balmy condor
you know what would be a hilarious thing I could do
quiet oar
the leather is all for me
balmy condor
what if my bis list was just the full catalyst set of gear
red schooner
what if my bis list was just the full catalyst set of gear
Do it
quiet oar
Bro thinks agi leather still exists
midnight mist
Come dms
hearty reef
too obvious?
midnight mist
It's better than whisper one
little tulip
outlaw funny face penalty
bright cipher
what if my bis list was just the full catalyst set of gear
if you do it, i will do it too.
bright cipher
not a joke i will push it for TWW2 on simc
balmy condor
well for simc who tf cares
balmy condor
I don't think I can get away with it on wowhead
subtle tundra
bringing the same joke
it is intentional
balmy condor
method might let me cause they're chill
subtle tundra
so he feels bullied
balmy condor
but wowhead editor will look at it and tell me to fuck off
quiet oar
so he feels bullied
Ah i see 🤝
red schooner
but wowhead editor will look at it and tell me to fuck off
Just falsify some data to back it up
balmy condor
I can't actually, I would have to tell my boss to tell him to fuck off
edit process is anon
humble verge
rofl
subtle tundra
youre french
subtle tundra
thank god
balmy condor
I wish I was french....
subtle tundra
blessed
balmy condor
oui, et moi
quiet oar
Imagine being french
hearty reef
oui, c'èst moi*
midnight mist
!ban @subtle tundra racism
quiet oar
couldnt be me
balmy condor
oui, c'èst moi*
don't have time to write all those extra letters
midnight mist
!ban <@225677043482755072> racism
That's what you would do wisper
If you were a real mod
But you are a slave of capitalism
subtle tundra
youre the same race as me
subtle tundra
bruh
balmy condor
I'm just happy varas has hobbies
quiet oar
Like?
midnight mist
<sound:0:1>
Exactly
subtle tundra
maybe if you said xenophobia
hearty reef
bruh what is this varas glazing?
subtle tundra
the usual
quiet oar
Smoothbrain need to shine
midnight mist
quiet oar
little tulip
foreskin job
bronze pike
hearty reef
uh oh
little tulip
k bye
midnight mist
balmy condor
<:BearSmile:1132045065196417204>
little tulip
balmy condor
Perhaps to keep it hidden
yeah and then do week one +13 with it, get it nerfed, and then finish season doing +20's
good abuse
balmy condor
highly intelligent creatures
bronze pike
Hide it in ptr means it’ll be broke. Forever right
midnight mist
Ye
Usually that actually works
Look at shaman
They didn't even hide it !
Just very smol
bronze pike
Bold of u to assume word up doesn’t snitch on his people
midnight mist
So they weren't seen
bronze pike
Word up ethical shammy
hearty reef
weird up
midnight mist
Same bro, I love self reporting
bronze pike
Makes game better for everyone
midnight mist
I can assure you ! If outlaw is too good I will personally dm realz about it so they nerf it !
bronze pike
bronze pike
Thats a cringe thing to admit
balmy condor
batman couldn't beat that out of me
bronze pike
Holy shit man
marble hemlock
https://tenor.com/view/bad-callouts-rogue-gif-26757787
still capped
quiet oar
still capped
marble hemlock
still short arms
midnight mist
It's ok they just forgor I think
quiet oar
But doesnt have a KB that gets parried
marble hemlock
But doesnt have a KB that gets parried
true
hearty reef
acrobatic strikes my beloved
bronze pike
But doesnt have a KB that gets parried
Yes but
bronze pike
quiet oar
shiv cant get parried tho
But Rupture and CT
subtle tundra
shiv cant get parried tho
it can?
bronze pike
Adren drops you have no energy
marble hemlock
it cant
subtle tundra
hhmmmmmm
marble hemlock
its some rancid pvp change from like 8y ago
where they made toxic blade undodgeable and unparriable
bronze pike
Cause it’s designed to the point u can’t drop adren
subtle tundra
goddamn
quiet oar
Well
bronze pike
Cause it’s stupid amount of uptime
bronze pike
10/10 design
quiet oar
a soothe parry
marble hemlock
and that still exists for shiv cuz its technically still the same ability
quiet oar
would be really bad
bronze pike
Imagine
When enraged was a thing back then
In m+
Your sooth gets parried
And it demolishes the tank
marble hemlock
when shiv was applying 70% slow and other shit for a short time, they didnt want you to be able to not get that cuz of parry/dodge, so they made it always hit
wish some other abilities would get the same treatment
midnight mist
You can't get parried in m+ wdym
marble hemlock
tell that to the enemies that they just copypaste from raid
marble hemlock
that are boss lvl and not playerlevel+2
quiet oar
midnight mist
Ye that's 3 mobs in the game
balmy condor
get me out man what the fuck
midnight mist
Blud yapping about enrage
marble hemlock
theres usually one every 2 seasons or so
shadow of zul was the worst one honestly
bronze pike
Zul
marble hemlock
idk why that fucker was bosslevel
bronze pike
subtle tundra
rashanan is but we lucked out and its a boss that cant parry
quiet oar
rashanan is but we lucked out and its a boss that cant parry
didnt it parry in the bginning
spice surge
get me out man what the fuck
bronze pike
Give this man green name
subtle tundra
didnt it parry in the bginning
probably
quiet oar
probably
No i think it did not in raid, but did in Dungeon
i remember some stupid fuck up
marble hemlock
it parried on beta in dungeon
at least when they made dungeons available for the first time
marble hemlock
but blizz is generally pretty good these days with bosses that always face the raid
marble hemlock
problem is that the bosses who dont face the raid perma, end up facing the raid pretty often still
for a few seconds at a time
quiet oar
problem is that the bosses who dont face the raid perma, end up facing the raid ...
or have a weird angle
like queen
subtle tundra
11.0
quiet oar
parrying you at 270 degress
little tulip
give battle pots expertise
marble hemlock
with a weirdass hitbox cuz how long he was
bronze pike
The feedback forums were just unreadable during that era
little tulip
uhhh
smileuy face
hearty reef
get me out man what the fuck
seems normal
quiet oar
but blizz is generally pretty good these days with bosses that always face the r...
kyveza in the suck in
marble hemlock
Can second boss parry
it can get prepulled (almost always by a boomkin) and then youre the only one in melee and boss hits you and you dont get an ambush opener and have to vanish for a hero talent.
but idk about parry
empty peak
guys hi I wanna play rogue for season 2 but I am new to class
I checked and assass rogue is very low apm, do you recommend it for a first time rogue player?
golden loom
Bloodbound? yeah that guy can parry
midnight mist
it can get prepulled (almost always by a boomkin) and then youre the only one in...
I love deathstalker it's very well designed
Lot of thoughts has been put into it
golden loom
kingsbane has gotten parried on that guy before 
midnight mist
My new favorite one is playing without subterfuge and having to learn if there is one guy that can pull you out every pull of the dungeon
red schooner
I checked and assass rogue is very low apm, do you recommend it for a first time...
Only advice I can offer is to give it a try and see how it feels, all specs should be manageable as a new rogue
But it depends on your playstyle preferences for if it'd be a fit for you or not.
But any spec is playable as a new player, just depends on what you vibe with
little tulip
you can't really one button macro the rotation like some other melee specs but it's very easy to pick up
humble verge
Like first pull gb the aoes under you pulls you out
thats why i wait for it to hit the shaman ome
empty peak
I get the ideas behind outlaw but its too spammy it scares me lol but 'ıll give it all a try thanks
midnight mist
thats why i wait for it to hit the shaman ome
What
I'm saying if you stay in stealth
midnight mist
The moment the dudes put the puddles under your feets
humble verge
yeah
midnight mist
First pull gb
humble verge
you want it to hit the shaman
midnight mist
You get out of stealth
humble verge
cause it will put you out of stealth
midnight mist
No
humble verge
yes
red schooner
I get the ideas behind outlaw but its too spammy it scares me lol but 'ıll give ...
Ye sorry I can't provide much more concrete, but all specs are learnable from new and it's all dependant on what playstyle you as a player prefer. Good luck though and any questions about the spec just let us know
midnight mist
Ask blizzard lol
royal lantern
with a weirdass hitbox cuz how long he was
*she
:3
marble hemlock
some mobs just break stealth on pull, globally
humble verge
never had that happen idk
marble hemlock
even if youre 400y away
humble verge
the one thing i hate tho
midnight mist
You never played without subterfuge then
humble verge
is having to restealth 100 yards away
for just to lose it and use sprint
and get no value
after dying
red schooner
Some mobs break stealth on spawn, fucking mists maze
midnight mist
Funny cause they don't when you have subterfuge
humble verge
i have not had had it break in a while
royal lantern
Funny cause they don't when you have subterfuge
subterfuge and weird interactions
royal lantern
its like "using a hearthstone breaks stealth, but if you have subterfuge skilled it doesnt"
midnight mist
For once subterfuge is helpful
spice surge
Mists breaks stealth a lot
marble hemlock
Mists breaks stealth a lot
ye, and they never bothered fixing it
red schooner
Gotta stand in fucking Narnia when they spawn and it's fine
red schooner
But annoying
red schooner
but its annoying af, for sure
Yeah, can play around it but we shouldn't have to
marble hemlock
yep
but stealth-related issues are generally very low prio
since it only affects 4specs
little tulip
i take issue with the xal affix destealthing due to needing a dispell
red schooner
i take issue with the xal affix destealthing due to needing a dispell
Ye, devour hitting between pulls pains me
I don't wanna burn cloak on this man, cmon
brazen cypress
really want the lfr tier set but undecided if i wanna use the rest of my catalyst charges on it lmao.
balmy condor
750% buff to uptime btw
balmy condor
no video for the pookies <:CH_PepeWtfCute:978487761046740992>
not yet
waiting for sun to rise and all my numbers
but pin was updated with numbers
nova aspen
spice surge
Now it looks like the numbers of a fairly reasonable tier set
subtle tundra
Now it looks like the numbers of a fairly reasonable tier set
is it a reasonable tier set?
when looking at others too
balmy condor
yes
spice surge
Yes
balmy condor
as long as "others" does not include sub
spice surge
Spriests is also like 27% or some shit
balmy condor
sub tier casually stronger than all capstone talents combined
(idk if that's true I have no clue how strong the capstones are)
subtle kiln
Warriors casually pulling 3mill ST sims
balmy condor
yeh
spice surge
Yet sub somehow still sims like 400k below arms and dks 
balmy condor
tuning is still non-existant
balmy condor
hotfixes yesterday were like a good step towards the first 10-15% of the tuning that needs to happen
still need to tune a bunch of trinkets, fix a couple of overtuned tier sets, and then hero talents, general class tuning
pretty guuuuuuuuuuuuuuud
subtle kiln
At least assa is above prot war sims now
spice surge
(idk if that's true I have no clue how strong the capstones are)
think its like the same? I know macabre is like 12% and shadowcraft is like 10%, goremaw is horrid and rotten+dark brew should be like 10% or so
spice surge
still need to tune a bunch of trinkets, fix a couple of overtuned tier sets, and...
Good thing they have so much time left
subtle kiln
subtle tundra
how are ww numbers...
lean plover
we still have like 3 more months of ptr until 11.1.5 (the full release version)
balmy condor
we still have like 3 more months of ptr until 11.1.5 (the full release version)
you mean 11.1.7
subtle kiln
12.0
nova aspen
spice surge
how are ww numbers...
I dont know but babylonious was in #subtlety the other day asking how to play sub.
balmy condor
11.1.5 will have a new item or something and then rework a couple hero talents for some class
and then 11.1.7 will tune all the things they fucked up in 11.1.5
just in time for 11.2
nova aspen
I dont know but babylonious was in <#316923898501529600> the other day asking ho...
fotm andies migrating to sub channel soon
spice surge
Yep its gonna be horrid
The classic
"hey i have no energy outside of cooldowns what am i doing wrong?"
subtle tundra
i dont want to play sub, every time i read the chat there i find out more horrid gameplay shit
golden loom
do I need more haste? outside of dance I feel like I am starved of energy
subtle kiln
Yep its gonna be horrid
Don’t worry. Guy will be there for 3 weeks to make everything better.
spice surge
Im genuinely extremely hyped about playing sub next tier. I like big burst and from how it looks right now sub has the nuclear burst
subtle kiln
how are ww numbers...
They’ve not made anything public afaik. Just a random dslice sim
spice surge
And idm being afk and doing 150k dps outside dance, but clearly others do
balmy condor
Im genuinely extremely hyped about playing sub next tier. I like big burst and f...
taking notes
subtle kiln
And idm being afk and doing 150k dps outside dance, but clearly others do <:shru...
Sub dream
Burst and afk
subtle tundra
i mean thats really good for progress
subtle kiln
until outlaw invades
subtle tundra
like really good
balmy condor
fuck up eleems good mood by saying insanely dumb shit in sub
subtle kiln
Where muh 89 apm
lusty kraken
sub rogues thinking they get to keep the 30% tier set
spice surge
taking notes
Looks to be about 75-80% of subs damage during blades
subtle kiln
RWF how you find 2 people willing to play rogue?
lean plover
we can tell people to talent goremaw to solve out of cds energy
vivid violet
Hi all! Tell a noob - Assa is a great choice for M+ in S2 or is it better to look at Outlow/Sub?
balmy condor
Looks to be about 75-80% of subs damage during blades
the way god intended
subtle kiln
we can tell people to talent goremaw to solve out of cds energy
Vigor and tea solves everything.
balmy condor
Hi all! Tell a noob - Assa is a great choice for M+ in S2 or is it better to lo...
will be fine
twin raven
Burst and afk
I use the time to reapply weapon poisons
lean plover
vigor and tea=no cold blood for the big 2nd st in your cds
spice surge
sub rogues thinking they get to keep the 30% tier set <:omegalul:585734084777476...
I mean if they nerf the tier they need to buff the baseline
outer cairn
will be fine
Miss you
spice surge
So it doesnt matter much anyway
lusty kraken
I mean if they nerf the tier they need to buff the baseline
will they though? 
subtle kiln
I use the time to reapply weapon poisons
Sub is the Netflix and chill spec. Bust a nut, watch squid games.
outer cairn
Lol
vivid violet
will be fine
As a newbie, I found Assa very friendly. But Sub is kind of strange))
spice surge
And the tier is just so burst heavy that even if they nerf it down to like 15% its still really insane burst
lofty junco
do u not get any reputation anymore for quests that u already have done with another warband character?
subtle tundra
As a newbie, I found Assa very friendly. But Sub is kind of strange))
yes thats normal
subtle kiln
As a newbie, I found Assa very friendly. But Sub is kind of strange))
Sub doesn’t play like a normal wow dps spec.
and the 14 of us in the channel are all insane
vivid violet
Sub doesn’t play like a normal wow dps spec.
Absolute truth) After Unholy DK, it seemed too strange and heavy to me)) But I liked Assa immediately despite its re-stealth
subtle kiln
Assa is very chill and for the most part makes sense at its core
nova aspen
ye assa is comfy atm
vivid violet
I hope he will be an excellent average for M+ and no worse
gusty mirage
and the 14 of us in the channel are all insane
subtle kiln
I could be wrong but assa’s big brain dps move right now is dry shiv lingering?
balmy condor
lofty junco
noo don't let whispyr cook...
subtle kiln
I enjoy a good whispyr omelet.
spice surge
nova aspen
winged sun
u can watch zorthar stream if ur interested
spice surge
It's a sub season
nova aspen
tomorrow and the following vault are my last 2 chances at mythic transmitter
otherwise ill just play assa until house of cards is acquired i guess
spice surge
It's a sub season
Cant wait to roll up to a m+ boss with all cds, 10 tier set stacks, coup and pot ready and do some enhance looking ahh burst
vestal cliff
is sub this good, or why does everyone talk about it?
nova aspen
i think if no other nerfs come in, its looking to be good yea
plucky canopy
Cant wait to roll up to a m+ boss with all cds, 10 tier set stacks, coup and pot...
Sounds fun if u ask me
subtle kiln
is sub this good, or why does everyone talk about it?
Lowkey it’s almost always strong with short CDs. People just don’t want to be arsed playing it if assa is close
royal lantern
Cant wait to roll up to a m+ boss with all cds, 10 tier set stacks, coup and pot...
yeha but its not enhance
so it will get nerfed
mighty crown
RWF how you find 2 people willing to play rogue?
this is real btw
everyone with rogue alts complains about deathstalkers mark and shit 
subtle tundra
everyone with rogue alts complains about deathstalkers mark and shit <:LMAO:1218...
hey im with rogue main and i complain
cloud basin
what we complaining about?
grand trail
Complaining about Complaining
subtle kiln
Not complaining about complaining about the proper things to be complaining about.
subtle kiln
hey im with rogue main and i complain
Sounds like something a WW main would say
haughty flicker
if you arent complaining why are you even in this discord
subtle kiln
To post dog picts
haughty flicker
fair, i forgot about the best part of this discord
spice spire
if you arent complaining why are you even in this discord
To sexually harass oxi and whispyr
And post George
shy axle
subtle kiln
@spice spire
subtle kiln
She’s 17 months now. Ahah
subtle kiln
22” (56cm) at her shoulders. Nearly 40lbs (18kg) and built like a track star. Can’t get weight on her
royal lantern
She’s 17 months now. Ahah
puppies in our hearts
spice spire
Always has been
prisma perch
!tricks
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
velvet cairn
what is this stealth buff mentioned?
red schooner
what is this stealth buff mentioned?
Tier set buffed
It's in the latest pinned message
wanton ridge
@velvet cairn id be lying if i said i know what it is, but i was watching zorthar and zero was playing sin, beat out the lock and the enhance
everyone in chat was saying it was stealth buffed
spice spire
4p buffed
spice spire
No notes
wanton ridge
^
spice spire
We just have true sight
balmy condor
tier goes from 0.5% to 5% everyone loses their minds
(we're still simming like 400k less than sub)
red schooner
Implying we had our minds to begin with
velvet cairn
<@188337070371110912> id be lying if i said i know what it is, but i was watchin...
what i understand is that the duration of the dmg buff is longer and higher proc chance
red schooner
balmy condor
(and they're still simming like 400k less than warrior/dk)
spice spire
We’re ahead of the cursed prot sims now
spice spire
Surely
red schooner
I'm just happy they did at least SOMETHING with it
static glacier
if ur a man ull remove the dry shiv too
balmy condor
I thought prot was like 2.3
spice spire
2.4 if you’re spamming execute iirc (which you’re not)
spice spire
Oh nvm
haughty flicker
lmao
spice spire
balmy condor
if ur a man ull remove the dry shiv too
nah, that's 0.5%, can't remove that
golden loom
which spec of warrior is popping off or is it both
balmy condor
which spec of warrior is popping off or is it both
all 3
golden loom
sheeeesh
subtle kiln
what are the prot sims
spice spire
Oh
balmy condor
oh we beat that
red schooner
Nah let them fly too close to the sun now blizz will melt the wings
static glacier
smh we might actually beat the 
allegations
subtle kiln
They still a WIP
balmy condor
okay well
subtle kiln
I had to goto secret woyer TC discord
nova aspen
cant wait to parse a 99 and still be only slightly above my tanks 
midnight mist
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balmy condor
if they find 90k lmk
midnight mist
nerf assa
static glacier
if we were like 2.3 now we're 2.38
subtle kiln
Woyer discord gatekeeps
static glacier
the tier changes are +4%ish?
balmy condor
yessir
hearty reef
shadow buffs money gang
static glacier
midnight mist
You guys are simming 3 millions now I heard
static glacier
apply this logic to these numbers
midnight mist
It's wild
snow kindle
Its gonna be so fkn weird when we hop into the new raid and we lose dmg.
static glacier
tier hotfix is +4% then no?
midnight mist
nova aspen
balmy condor
apply this logic to these numbers
okay so compared to 2 piece, 4 piece is +3.7%, before that was +0.6%, so we gained +3.1%, and 2.1ish * 1.03 is not 2.3
static glacier
we accouting for the better 2pc uptime?
balmy condor
yessir
subtle kiln
if they find 90k lmk
Ok so that’s the full on lol defensive talents wut?!? dps setup
hollow river
<@188337070371110912> id be lying if i said i know what it is, but i was watchin...
the lock was also DCed for like two pulls so kinda unfair to say
subtle kiln
Arms is 3.1. Fury is 3.0 ST
balmy condor
yeah so just like
spice spire
Lmfao
quiet oar
pls buff sin, i dont want to play sub with an 25 second no finishing period 
static glacier
i mean fury is target capped right 🙂
static glacier
pls buff sin, i dont want to play sub with an 25 second no finishing period <:NO...
you too can learn to edge
subtle kiln
Target cap DN
golden loom
Fury being good in single target sounds weird
cause on live its fucking horse and dogshit
subtle kiln
you know that 35% BP buff sub got? Do that twice to all fury abilities.
static glacier
all its real aoe being in d roar makes it padlord supreme for raid aoe ngl
quiet oar
Target cap DN
balmy condor
it's okay
subtle kiln
balmy condor
if they buff envenom another 50%, we're on par with sub
quiet oar
you too can learn to edge
But i dont want to
Fuck this shit gameplay
25 seconds RUpture spam
ffs
snow kindle
how much % gain is fury tier
lusty kraken
what if they made kingsbane great again
balmy condor
very based
quiet oar
Bencher Varas?
velvet cairn
anyone know what ench is simming ish?
subtle kiln
Outlaw tier.
spice surge
What if they made bleeds great again
golden loom
btw I love how execute is buffed by 50% and probably still not a good button outside of procs 
balmy condor
what if they made anything other than envenom buffs
golden loom
like mountain thane never presses execute
quiet oar
What if they made bleeds great again
?
hollow river
anyone know what ench is simming ish?
enchantment shaman?
lusty kraken
What if they made bleeds great again
won't happen, they are scared of dots doing good damage
subtle kiln
CT buffs inc
spice surge
won't happen, they are scared of dots doing good damage
I mean ye, but theres ways around that besides buffing envenom
velvet cairn
enchantment shaman?
yea
balmy condor
but they're scared of literally everything else
static glacier
But i dont want to
they could fix it by just making dance grant you max stacks on cast
subtle kiln
rogue right now is giga undertuned, but according to every other discord Sub is broken.
static glacier
or just add rupture to spells that can cancel it
I think the tier was just never dropping for sub
subtle kiln
classic
hollow river
or just add rupture to spells that can cancel it
they'll just cancelaura SnD and recast it
static glacier
so people probably saw silly dmg numbers in beta
subtle kiln
Don’t let little things like bugs get in the way of yelling about rogue as another class
velvet cairn
somewhere around 3m last i heard
thanks and wtf
static glacier
they'll just cancelaura SnD and recast it
imagine if they just made eviscerate good enough so we don't keep finding ways of not pressing it for damage gains
this shit reminds me of pre-rework bp spam on st
smh
genuinely becoming chaos bolt 2.0 tier situation
we care more about spending cps than the damage our primary finisher / spender is doing
golden loom
and on the other hand sin is becoming Envenom Rogue
cedar elm
static glacier
anyone checked up on fatebound? or we still DN
golden loom
its time for outlaw to rise up, ethical no big cooldown class
subtle kiln
gamba spec on a gamba tier
nova aspen
Mo definitely a pookie
balmy condor
anyone checked up on fatebound? or we still DN
have checked up, it's like it is now but also worse
golden loom
should just scrap fatebound and make one hero talent tree for poisons and one for bleeds
static glacier
needs to work for ol remember
golden loom
scrap the entire overlap thing
dapper cradle
Ya we need a piss rogue hero tree
golden loom
give every spec their own 2 hero trees
fk the overlap
hire more people get to work 
dapper cradle
That’s more work though!!!!!!
golden loom
its so weird to have 2 hero trees that play the same
atleast fury has slayer and thane that play way different
static glacier
its so weird to have 2 hero trees that play the same
lowkey
id rather a passsive afk tree
dapper cradle
Like fatebound?
static glacier
rather than the shitshow we had with release deathstalker
do you remember how gigaturbofucked it was?
golden loom
I mean the overlaps cause so many issues tho
velvet cairn
the worst thing with DS is that its aids to swap targets quickly, or if u dont time a boss swap for instance silken intermission
golden loom
like trickster is good for sub but unplayable for outlaw
static glacier
like trickster is good for sub but unplayable for outlaw
depends how much of a gambler you are
golden loom
its designed around killing spree right? so I guess its even more gambling than the gambling hero talent
static glacier
yep, instead of gambling damage you gamble with your life
lethal mortar
the first time i tried trickster outlaw was in a dawnbreaker, i hit killing spree and fell through the boat and died
and then i alt f4d
warm vortex
Just make killing spree cooler
Just make it so you slash them like 50 times in 4 seconds or so. Allow you to kick during it and make it so the camera doesn’t jerk around
static glacier
ST damage is giga behind as well
I thought it was slightly ahead in sims, or was that aoe only?
dapper cradle
Just d slice
static glacier
fair, ngl KS being a 20s cd invalidates the tree sso hard
dapper cradle
But that’s just what the computer says haha
static glacier
even if it was ahead
dapper cradle
I doubt there are many people who can play it to that potential
static glacier
dying every 1-2 mins ain't worth
dapper cradle
I’m certainly not one of them
warm vortex
Then again dslice says dropping kingsbane in a bleed build is the play
golden loom
should just have paladin bubble everytime you killingspree
static glacier
clips of zac dying while playing it go hard
warm vortex
should just have paladin bubble everytime you killingspree
Or maybe it could just keep you in the same position
And it’s like your character is moving blindingly fast or whatever idc
It’s a cool ability ruined by implementation imo
static glacier
lowkey
warm vortex
It would be sick
static glacier
it should just be sec tec 2.0
after images attack ur enemies
there u go, edgy thematic maintained
warm vortex
Like multiple blurry images of your character just dashing around them dealing a fuck ton of damage
warm vortex
there u go, edgy thematic maintained
I’d say outlaw is the least edgy rogue spec
It’s the one you play to smoke crack not slit your own wrists
static glacier
depends what you think is edgy
concealed pistols and being ruthless is pretty edgy
warm vortex
Shadow ninja vs assassin vs pirate
static glacier
more than the dagger specs OL is the dirtiest fighter
warm vortex
Pirate is very clearly the least edgy
warm vortex
concealed pistols and being ruthless is pretty edgy
I’m pretty sure pirates just do that as intimidation because they can’t fight properly no
warm vortex
No that’s a genuine thing I said
golden loom
isnt the inspiration for outlaw Edwin/vanessa vancleef? I would say they are pretty edgy
static glacier
one poisons you, other is some eddgy shadow ninja assassin
warm vortex
Like pirates weren’t trained in fighting
static glacier
and then you got a pirate bringing guns to a sword fight
lusty kraken
Rogues are dirty fighters
warm vortex
They didn’t know how to do shit properly so they just mutilated people
warm vortex
isnt the inspiration for outlaw Edwin/vanessa vancleef? I would say they are pre...
They are just unpaid workers
In that logic most people that work at blizzard are edgy
static glacier
irony is that OL is harder than most specs in game to play well
golden loom
all in all, rework killingspree
warm vortex
irony is that OL is harder than most specs in game to play well
Meh idk
Also I looked at the shadow priest rota earlier
It looks so shit
Tbh
Then Again
This is coming from an envenom spammers point of view
static glacier
no real challenging rotations exist anymore
warm vortex
no real challenging rotations exist anymore
I mean did they ever
static glacier
yeah for sure
stuff like s1 df spriest
or if you wanna go back further there'ss a lot of examples
emerald nightmare feral
they systemically remove them though, and just make the fights more complicated
warm vortex
Tbh I’d prefer that
lean plover
as long as they dont remove dots im fine
dapper cradle
irony is that OL is harder than most specs in game to play well
lmao exactly
whole snow
wait assassination got buffed yesterday?
blazing tulip
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emerald nightmare feral
What made emerald nightmare feral so hard? Casting healing touch to proc bt?
static glacier
What made emerald nightmare feral so hard? Casting healing touch to proc bt?
you had too few resources
so you wanted to empower ur dots with BT AND Savage roar
but even the sims could barely manage like 91% SR uptime
so you had to plan SR downtime to not be when you wanted to refresh rip / rake
add in Tiger's fury / the old cadence of BT empowers
and it was very easy to fuck up
since they had the talent that made dots shorter in duration but same damage too, so rake had to be refreshed quite often
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static glacier
-yap over-
warm vortex
Professional yapper
dawn heath
Time to play feral
warm vortex
Time to play feral
red schooner
did we get a buff
ye
dapper cradle
people are saying sin is now the giga omega op class for s2 with these changes
spice surge
If the spec went from absolute garbage to giga omega op with a 4% buff
Game must be spectacularly balanced
dapper cradle
If the spec went from absolute garbage to giga omega op with a 4% buff
how is this possible?
soft surge
how important is the atropic poison debuff
must a rogue be in for prog if all 3 specs are bottom 3
golden loom
nah you can sit rogue
mint valve
Depends on your guild.
Higher guilds that push the envelope and can barely survive mechanics with perfect defensive probably still need it..
golden loom
but I mean even then you would always play best players over spec anyways
soft surge
this is true
mint valve
But usually that for almost every other guild ^^
golden loom
also isnt rogue usually good on prog cause its pretty much unkillable
mint valve
Good players are unkillable
soft surge
yea its still unkillable
golden loom
stuff like cloak/cheat death sounds good in my ears
mint valve
Bad rogues still die
golden loom
yeah but top top top guilds wont have bad rogues
soft surge
like even weekly reclears its last to die on court and queen etc
warm vortex
Literally just play why you want
winged sun
golden loom
what do i drop for dashing in m+ talents
what do u want dashing for 
warm vortex
what do i drop for dashing in m+ talents
Keep talenting it and untaenting t
It might give you an extra point
winged sun
for theater of pain
warm vortex
Same logic as opening the fridge over and over hoping for new food to spawn in
warm vortex
I’d say sim
golden loom
if you want single target u wouldnt drop sudden over sanguine
golden loom
u do not want sanguine in single target regardless?
winged sun
ye sudden i guess
warm vortex
nah why would i drop sanguine if i gain energy from dashing
Just say fuck it run bleed build
Drop kb in an st dungeon
We ball
dapper cradle
drop DM
golden loom
like if ur proccing sanguine blades in single target somethings going wrong
(outside of deathmark)
warm vortex
Stop deadly poison
nova aspen
drop the whole spec and just go sub
nova aspen
personally i dont run sanguine in m+ ever, its a pad talent
winged sun
warm vortex
I’ve been at uni for 23 minutes and want to leave
nova aspen
hurts single target too much
golden loom
Like you take sanguine for overall, but if you care enough about single target to take dashing you would drop sanguine
warm vortex
What’s forced again
winged sun
the one below ER
warm vortex
Like you take sanguine for overall, but if you care enough about single target t...
I guess but is the aoe loss from sanguine worth even if you get dashing
golden loom
? why not
golden loom
yeah I see that
winged sun
its not just that its good in aoe
u just cannot drop it
its a low tier talent
because im dropping MA
nova aspen
yea its sanguine or MA
nova aspen
MA better for ST
fringe spear
golden loom
you could drop bonespike doomblade and go MA
dapper cradle
that's a lot of ST ngl
golden loom
I mean if he wants to play dashing
then it seems like he only cares about ST
otherwise why are we playing dashing
warm vortex
I remember disliking ToP
spice spire
I remember disliking ToP
Wrong
nova aspen
even if it waas better, no way im giving up bonespike gameplay
warm vortex
Tbh running without doom + bone feels so wrong
spice spire
i don' tthink dashing is better than doom + bone in ST
Doom is bad it’s just sbs and if you have ttk and dashing then your energy flow feels a lot better
Difference is uh
Questionable tho
golden loom
its all the same
spice spire
Because your opener in aoe delays a bit
warm vortex
God I’d love do we could get SBS without DB
golden loom
no talents matter whatever
golden loom
I will do bleed only for my weekly keys
warm vortex
I will do bleed only for my weekly keys
golden loom
this time I will not die and do 3m overall
spice spire
I’ve created monsters oxi I’m so sorry
