assassination

[vestal wren]

moment, logging in

[marsh grail]

I literally just out how to do it rofl

sry for ping

i was looking at it for 10 minutes and realized 2m after i pinged you

classic

[vestal wren]

oh perfect

no problem, can ping me any time

[subtle tundra]

like boomkin

[eager condor]

Quick question from the pin -

Trinkets:
Eye of Kezan + House of Cards is current BiS everywhere, especially Eye of Kezan, which is insanely strong. **Seaforium is also okay **but loses to house of cards.

what is the seaforium, i cant find it on the loot list

[spice spire]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=232541/improvised-seaforium-pacemaker

[eager condor]

ahh i was looking in motherload/mechagon - TY

and raid

[thorny kraken]

is there any information on how we are looking for season 2?

[slate crown]

same as now

dry shiv

look at pins

[thorny kraken]

thanks

[mortal pond]

Hi there, anyone have a good garrote and rupture tracker? just a single target one i do'nt want 15 bars on my screen when in m+ hehe

[wide crystal]

Hey guys, I got a question.. When playing Mythic+ and there's a mass pull, is there a limit to how many mobs we want to dot to keep up the dps? like do we stop after 6-8 mobs or?

[strange python]

Pick a pack, copy the rupture tracker, delete the pack 👍

[mortal pond]

just a random pack from wago?

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[slate crown]

Some packs for you, all of these have garrote and rupture tracking

[mortal pond]

oooh thanks

[strange python]

While you are at it try the pack, maybe you do find yourself to enjoy having one in the end

Also recommendations for LE‘s pack, best pack I’ve played with on any spec

[spice spire]

Paid actor

[golden loom]

all 3 specs got some banger wa packages no cap 💯

[fringe vortex]

is there a crit cap for assas =? im at 26% but idk if i need more or what

[golden loom]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[golden loom]

@fringe vortex

[lofty junco]

worth upgrading my veteran and champion gear? or shoauld i wait and try to get heroic stuiff next week?

[royal lantern]

brother, the patch is over in 2 weeks

[golden loom]

Upgrading champion track is pretty decent

[warm vortex]

I don't think it matters at this point in the season

[golden loom]

cause it caps out at 619, and thats the same as heroic 4/6 which is what you can get without spending gilded crests

[warm vortex]

Fox w da flower :D

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/butter-dog-gif-19098317

[runic hinge]

@blazing jewel

[strange sleet]

Guys did some of u reported my name?

I'm PlayerKZVJGQ now

cool

[blazing jewel]

[subtle tundra]

who wouldnt

[runic hinge]

[strange sleet]

Well, choose a name for my char

[night cipher]

Anonwyso

[lofty junco]

probably weapons and t-set first?

[royal lantern]

holy sit

thats a long mochi

[royal lantern]

mate

thats not funny

what the fuck did you expect, and why the hell do you think thats funny

jfc

[strange sleet]

Well, Hit was kinda the name. And lel is like lol or lul or lulz

so kinda funny actually

I guess Imma go for Hitlulz this time

Or Hitmale instead of Hitman?

what about Hitorc?

[slate crown]

Can't tell if you're extremely dim or just moderately dim

[golden loom]

yeah pretty much

are you a student of history Wysoko?

[strange sleet]

ofc not

[golden loom]

the Hit thing miiiiiight allude to a certain person in history

[royal lantern]

recruitment is legit depressing man

looking for people, and the amount of guys that say "yeha sorry, i want to be in a WR 300+ guild!" while having not a single CE is mindblowing

[runic hinge]

I don't have CE can i join

[royal lantern]

like, gray/green heroic logs on all fights after 9 kills->thinks they can join top guilds, so many lol

[golden loom]

I dont have CE can I join

[strange sleet]

wdym. Hit is like throwing a punch or something like that. Which is very fitting for a rogue

[royal lantern]

if you play a ele/resto shaman and send me logs, i can send it my RL

[runic hinge]

Assa one trick unlucker

[golden loom]

Hitlel is also 1 letter away from Hitler

[royal lantern]

Hitlel is Hitler mate, dont act as if you didnt thought about that

[strange sleet]

okok relax boys

That's appalling

[runic hinge]

Right so can you see now why your name got reported?

[strange sleet]

Ok so no more Hit in the name I guess

[subtle tundra]

bro your name is 1 letter away from hitler

the hit is not the problem

[strange sleet]

Ok so if I make it 2 letters away is fine then?

[golden loom]

wouldnt test them, my friend just got his 2nd ban which is 30 days (first was 3 days) for sexual content in his name

[strange sleet]

Like Hitlul?

[golden loom]

so you going back to that name

is not the move

[subtle tundra]

idk why youre stubborn around that name

[runic hinge]

yeah maybe just avoid hit with an L after it

[subtle tundra]

still sounds similar to hitler

[runic hinge]

you want a 6 letter name that starts with hitl so bad huh

[strange sleet]

I didn't get banned tho

[golden loom]

not yet

they start out with name changes

then it turns into bans

[strange sleet]

damn

I mean, it lasted quite a while tho. 21 days of /played

[deep gyro]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

I had ana1 cav1ty as my battle net name for years

Or smth like that

[strange sleet]

look, this mage get's it

[warm vortex]

I only changed it causwe i dlisked it

[warm vortex]

"No you don't get it, Naizi is just a reference to my friend. I say "nah zee" a lot when i disagree with zee

[golden loom]

my friend that got banned was also just named anal, what a coincidence

[strange sleet]

right right

[royal lantern]

@runic hinge that guy just told me "sorry, im looking for a more serious guild, WR 600-700 is too low"

i hate wow players so much

[warm vortex]

HAHAHA

[golden loom]

thats insane

[warm vortex]

Guys

is

"Pwain swupwession fwoar eight sweconds UwU"

A good bwind

[golden loom]

getting boosted and applying to guilds sounds kinda goated

[royal lantern]

yes it is

[warm vortex]

Also on the topic of names

The best alt i have is bendeten

Because it's a running joke that my name isn't ven, but ben

For some reason someone changed my note from ven to ben

So now all my alts just have ben notes

(Like only half of them shown here

[golden loom]

but what is like the thought process of applying to guilds with something like this, he obviously isnt doing the raiding himself, so what does he want to get out of it

[royal lantern]

there is a shocking amount of people that dont realise that people actually check logs

just to avoid somebody that got boosted

[warm vortex]

QUICK

log check

[golden loom]

so they want to get boosted for IO showing 8/8 or whatever, applying to a guild and then "start raiding legit next season"?

[rare jackal]

the type of mf that says "logs dont matter bro"

[royal lantern]

like, its not even about "you need purple on all fights or bust"

but if you open the logs of somebody, and all you see is gray+green on all fights for 2 tiers in a row, you KIIIINDA close the page

[warm vortex]

"parses are innacurate

[warm vortex]

Tell him it

to his stupid

ugly

pimple covered
Unshowered
No life nerd

face

[royal lantern]

i mean, they dont overall

but if somebody is consistently VERY bad, its a sing that the person doesnt know what they are doing

[golden loom]

I just get asked "are you new to the game?" and "we are looking for previous CE experience"

[royal lantern]

and with very bad i mean not going above blue ever

[warm vortex]

I mean tyran

[royal lantern]

like, after 6 kills you should have atleast a 50 on most fights except if there is something that makes it impossible for you to get that for some mechanic reason

[warm vortex]

we all know you havew 100 parses all around

[royal lantern]

nah

[golden loom]

I love hate-watching the logs of people saying "we are looking for previous experience" tho

[warm vortex]

God i'd rather use a cactus as a earplug than play holy palladin

[rare jackal]

well thats deceptive
someone can have bad logs but maybe theyve showed up to raid for the past five years

never assume you are a more valuable asset cause your logs are better

[royal lantern]

me this tier

our Ansurek killtimer is so fucking bad, idk how i can get higher

[golden loom]

ye logs are very fraudulent i know

[warm vortex]

Ohg your actually CE

gaem

Gamer

[rare jackal]

i dont take that side either

[royal lantern]

? ofc lol

[rare jackal]

i think there is a strong correlation (generally), its just not the end all be all

[warm vortex]

Kiss me you fool

[royal lantern]

god, seeing that makes me angry again

7:53

ew

too slow for a decent kill before 2nd ring

too fast for another CD set

pain

[warm vortex]

But yea

Idk i can't go for CE

[rare jackal]

its a good kill time for sub

[warm vortex]

Uni

[royal lantern]

im maybe a sub, but im not a sub in wow

[rare jackal]

unluck

[royal lantern]

the take is more or less like

they say something, but not everything

[rare jackal]

right

[golden loom]

Just like accounting you can cook the books

[rare jackal]

well you cant cook logs
they are a precise accounting of every button press

you can cook parses

but if you ignore the funny number, you can recount everything that happened and determine good play with astounding accuracy

[golden loom]

oh yeah I am a parse monkey so I was only thinking about that

[rare jackal]

right and thats fair enough

its what people think about when they hear logs

[royal lantern]

ye

logs are great

parses are decent for a first sight, but actually goota look at them

[rare jackal]

chyup

[golden loom]

even being a parse monkey I cannot get ulgrax done well in pugs, satisfyingly consitent tho

[rare jackal]

parses are something to be concerned with after a few kills
when there is a solid data set
like when you finish a tier with 50 kills and have a blue or so average, its quite likely you arent playing your rotation properly

maybe fewer than 40

but not 1 or 2

[rare jackal]

hard to get super good parses in pugs cause they dont reach the necessary kills times

[golden loom]

4/8 enjoyers

[rare jackal]

unless that allows you to giga pad

[golden loom]

yeah also feeding ulgrax after the intermission for some reason takes a year

[warm vortex]

4/8 besties

[golden loom]

so he has giga DR for 10 years

[rare jackal]

yup

[warm vortex]

Monkeys
Go

Ooo oo aa aa

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-monkey-gif-21207902

[warm vortex]

I want hozen as a palyable race

[indigo mulch]

[brazen wedge]

are we meta or na in s2?

[warm vortex]

I can go up to peoeple and say

"Me gonna ook you in the dooker"

[indigo mulch]

https://wheeldecide.com/index.php?c1=Yes&c2=No&c3=Maybe&time=5

[royal lantern]

how can anyone know what will be good or bad

its the same every tier man

patch releases->patch after 1 week->new patch after 2 weeks->new patch after 2 weeks again->now everything changed big time

[warm vortex]

Because we are pyscic tyran

[brazen wedge]

says YES, so we are

[indigo mulch]

Yay!

The wheel speaks the truth

[silk bane]

longest mochi ive ever seeen

big fan

[ocean crystal]

'm trying to figure out how to my DPS up. I'm stuck in the low 300-400k with a 616 assination deathstalker build. I don't know if it's my rotation, my addon's or just me being a doob.

[balmy condor]

Do you have logs

[sinful thicket]

any chance someone can hop in general 1 and help me with this crafting order lol. first time doing it for 636 daggers and idk how to do it

[ocean crystal]

How do I get logs?

[balmy condor]

!wcl

[prisma monolith]

Getting Started with Warcraftlogs https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341
Logging your combat is a very powerful tool, and the main way of finding mistakes and improving yourself. Logging your raid, mythic+, or even just when you hit a dummy can be great way to learn!
Here's some common things to look at for rogues:

Checking your resources/overcap: Table -> Resources -> Energy/Combo Points from the dropdown
Buff Uptime and trigger amount such as adr/envenom/symbols: Table -> Buffs
Checking casts: Timeline -> Casts (shows sequencing) or Table -> Casts (for cast overview)

[ocean crystal]

Yeah I've been hitting practice dummies and trying to utilize DMb to see if it give me guidance as well

Sorry DBM

[balmy condor]

logs just make it really easy to see what people are pressing and when and with what buffs, etc

without it, trying to find rotational mistakes quickly turns into a nightmare game of telephone

"are you X"
"well I think I am idk"
"okay and when Y then Z?"
"yeah"

and then you open logs

and they were doing neither

[earnest remnant]

"my causticc spatter isnt working"

[dapper cradle]

[earnest remnant]

"did you mutilate after rupture?"

"yes i did"

(we check, he did indeed not mutilate)

shocker

[snow kindle]

why is eye of kezan good if only STR

[sinful thicket]

for a 636 dagger what are the best enchants to add to it?

[snow kindle]

or is it wrong tooltip

[runic hinge]

forgot deadly poison too

[pliant remnant]

It's Mastery, with a Primary Stat on-use

[balmy condor]

my <Primary Stat> is strength

[snow kindle]

ah i see it just shows whatever tf youre on

ty

[pliant remnant]

My primary stat is inches

[sinful thicket]

crit and mastery the move or what

[pliant remnant]

I mean, sure

probably

but you can also sim it

[sinful thicket]

I mean I'm just using Whispyr's wowhead build for my mythic runs. So just trying to figure out what the best 2 are so I don't fumble this lol

[earnest remnant]

best answer

will

be

sim yo self

[sinful thicket]

how do I do that?

[earnest remnant]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-raidbots-and-run-character-simulations-6050

probably the best tool you can learn to use

[sinful thicket]

bet that tyvm

[harsh bronze]

Is there a talent that reduces the cooldown of cloak of shadows?

[balmy condor]

no

[indigo mulch]

Is there any hope for me and my wife?

[runic hinge]

After yesterday? No

[indigo mulch]

[late gulch]

are assa still buged on ptr? or how are they doing ?

[indigo mulch]

Why bugged? O:

[balmy condor]

bugs are fixed

[harsh bronze]

Dang it

[indigo mulch]

Uh, so i've been wondering why the 4pc is so low in term of dps gain? Did you explain that in one of your videos?

So you don't have to type it out again :p

[balmy condor]

I have but it's just numbers suck

[indigo mulch]

Just looking at it, my first instinct tells me that, that set was themed outlaw. Not sure why all these procs and rng happened to land on assassination. D:

[balmy condor]

the raid is literally in a casino

[indigo mulch]

True i guess ._."

[thorn thorn]

Every spec landed the same garbage rng mechanic

[tall atlas]

hello cuties

we good

[indigo mulch]

[north kiln]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sullen hollow]

when do they remove bosses ability to parry mechanics

kb parries are the worst and i hate my life when it happens

[manic quartz]

i swear i was behind queens left back leg and still my KB got parried

[runic hinge]

ass so fat she parry from the back

[keen spruce]

i'm playin fatebound next week on court

scooting mark very annoying

[manic quartz]

it was at first but now its second nature

[ionic hill]

Does mark still randomly disappear when u have like 40 seconds

[balmy condor]

what

I don't think it's ever done that

[dawn heath]

Havent seen a single Rogue play sin on the ptr on stream

Do i have to do it myself to test or what

[ionic hill]

Huh I swear my mark sometimes just disappears from my target even when it shows like 45-50 seconds on the nameplate. Maybe I’m doing something wrong then (I’m new to the game)

[balmy condor]

you're probably getting darkest night

and not tracking it

[ionic hill]

Hah ever since I started I thought it was a bug lol

[scarlet barn]

do you use both charges of shiv during kingsbane?

[runic hinge]

yes

[scarlet barn]

so you use 2 charges of tea in the opener?

[celest helm]

no

you use first tea with opener then use it for energy when you need it for the rest

[scarlet barn]

well if you macro shiv to tea you would. so you need two different buttons for shiv

[celest helm]

you should not macro it to shiv

unmacro that lol

[balmy condor]

you definitely should lmao

what the hell are you on

[scarlet barn]

....

[celest helm]

why lol

[scarlet barn]

[balmy condor]

cause it's optimal?

[scarlet barn]

I trust whispyr but I didn't want to ping

[celest helm]

its not hard to keybind it and then you do end up slamming it twice in opener and running ouit early no?

[balmy condor]

it's the same dps

[scarlet barn]

[balmy condor]

but without a button

why would you

lmao

[celest helm]

fuckit if the rogue wizard himself says its good its good, but i havent, would have assumed itd be bad to burn it that fast

[balmy condor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[balmy condor]

there's a command

for a reason

[celest helm]

do we think we know every command in this discord

[scarlet barn]

so you do use two teas in opener tho

[balmy condor]

It's pretty common

[scarlet barn]

with the macro

[celest helm]

i was wrong tho, didnt know that was a thing now lol been zoned out for a bit now forsure

[balmy condor]

yes

you just macro to shiv

and then ignore tea

and full spam

don't need a button, don't need to track

[celest helm]

interesting ill try it out

[balmy condor]

don't need to anything

macro and forget

let it autoproc

doesn't matter

[celest helm]

simple enough, glad to be wrong ill just letr rip thanks

[scarlet barn]

ok thx

[balmy condor]

once they fix tier I get to recheck all the tea logic again

and then we can have wars about 0.05% again

[spice spire]

God bless

[balmy condor]

the assassination way

[spice spire]

If it’s not auto tea

[scarlet barn]

[spice spire]

It’s restealths baby girl

[balmy condor]

hate my life

[celest helm]

i do too

[spice spire]

Love you king will send meat

[scarlet barn]

on fights you don't take improved garrote do you just use vanish for the ambush damage

[balmy condor]

I had to explain how to correctly chain pull

in the fucking paladin disc

cause I got pinged

[spice spire]

Nah

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

why is that the comparison

[scarlet barn]

well I usually use it to reapply garrote for the extra garrote damage during deathmark

[balmy condor]

you still garrote in opener n shit

oh you mean vanish

[scarlet barn]

yeah I mean when you reapply

yeah

[balmy condor]

no you don't press it

[scarlet barn]

I mixed up words

[balmy condor]

no imp gar, no reason to vanish

[scarlet barn]

so keep it to break root

[balmy condor]

ye

[scarlet barn]

it's a habit to vanish bc you take that talent in a lot of fights

[royal lantern]

pls tell me it was ret players

that would make it even better

[thorn thorn]

Hell yea auto tea again???

[scarlet barn]

I'm just asking questions

[balmy condor]

prot

[tawdry halo]

What needed explanation?

[dapper cradle]

imagine explaining "tea logic" to a wow vanilla player in 2004

they'd get a nose bleed

[balmy condor]

??

[dapper cradle]

showing RTB rules to a 2004 frost mage

or the havoc dh opener

[balmy condor]

somnius do you just say the dumbest shit that comes to mind or is there some structure to this

[dapper cradle]

there's no need to be nasty

[balmy condor]

I'm not being nasty, I'm being curious

[dapper cradle]

you're not being kind

i get that's your "thing"

but no need

[balmy condor]

they macro'd everything in 2004, how is it any different from tea logic

[thorn thorn]

Classic players like to pretend their version of the game is the hardest

[dapper cradle]

i don't think they do tho

i think everyone knows it's kind of a meme

the hard part is the admin stuff you gotta do to just be able to play

all the consumes/attunements

[thorn thorn]

The hard part is the knowledge check since nothing is explained well

[dapper cradle]

yeah exactly

[thorn thorn]

Which also isnt any different from retail

Tooltips still suck ass in 2025

[dapper cradle]

lol and you need people with math degrees

to make WAs for certain raid bosses

[thorn thorn]

Correct

[thorn thorn]

aintnoway

[balmy condor]

tank discords have the "rogue yelled at me cause I didn't let the fucker stealth" convo almost as much as we have the "I yelled at the tank cause the fucker didn't let me stealth" convo

[thorn thorn]

"But my IC value reeeeeeeee"

[balmy condor]

sometimes I like to look at chat history just for the tea, and there's a curious amount of people that are like "I need my damage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and then 2 weeks later "it's not about the damage, it FEELS BADDDDDDDDDDDD BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT SUCKKKKKKKKKS"

[slate crown]

they really don't take math degrees it's just scripting

[thorn thorn]

Same shit as auto tea

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean same shit as anything really

[thorn thorn]

People just like to complain about shit that doesnt matter cuz they feel like its important

[balmy condor]

gaslight yourself into thinking you're actually gigabrain omegachad dps optimizing your rotation

and then when the facade falls

it was never about the optimization

[dapper cradle]

you were streaming court prog a few weeks ago and ranted about this

[thorn thorn]

Co-signed because that was some real shit you just said

[dapper cradle]

"computer spits out bigger number"

"i mald seethe shit and piss"

[balmy condor]

real

95% of the time the computer spits out absolutely nothing of value and I mald seethe shit and piss anyway

cause nothing on this spec matters for shit

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

during beta or early in the expac or something

I had rewritten combo point logic

like finish on X

and forgot about rupture stuff

so sim was just finishing on 7 for every rupture

instead of 5

when I noticed it I was like ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh fuuuuuuuuuck

I fucked up bad

fixed it

0.1%

nice

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

no one noticed a difference

[thorn thorn]

A Classic

[dawn heath]

That seems to be the case i change talents, trinkets gems in my ring i always so the same dps

Its very consistant

[thorn thorn]

Should be greatful for that to an extent

Since it means when you tell people "it doesnt matter" for gems and statting it can be very literal

[dawn heath]

Yeah thats cool

Alot of people just want to be told what to play and not want to experiment for themselves though

[thorn thorn]

That is a large portion of people

A good portion also make it a habit to just copy the top players then get confused when they dont get the same results

[dawn heath]

Copy talents, dont read any of them and just full send is kinda based

[crude kestrel]

Is assassination the current top spec for m+?

[tawdry halo]

It's good, and will take you to high keys in the current patch, but it's not strictly meta if that means anything to you

top spec combo atm is enhance shammy, frost DK, aug evoker, but lots of high keys run with an assassin rogue over a DK

[whole snow]

Top spec combo is boomkin

Not fdk or rogue

Except in like

Dawnbreaker

[crude kestrel]

I just mean for playing rogue. Like could i go outlaw and still pull good numbers

[whole snow]

Oh yeah assa is currently the best rogue spec

For keys

[dawn heath]

I think Rogue is better in arakara and city as well or atleast tied to boomkin

Speeds team put up the fastest city 19 in tgp today with rogue

And world first 20 dawn breaker was done with rogue

They had like 2 seconds left with only 1 death

[tawdry halo]

Forgot about the chicken my b

[tawdry halo]

Yes, assassin best rogue spec for keys

You could do outlaw but it’s rarer

And might be hard to get invited because people are meta slaves

[dawn heath]

Outlaw is shit

[tawdry halo]

I’ve seen at least one outlaw enthusiast

[dawn heath]

Depends what content you are doing for weeklies play whatever you want

[tawdry halo]

[dawn heath]

Surprised not more rogues are pushing esp on NA there are no rogues playing keys

Criminanally under represented for how good they are

[tawdry halo]

3rd least popular class in the game

Only classes less popular are monks and evoker

[dawn heath]

Monks kinda makes sense

All their specs always suck

And who wants to play a fucking dragon

[tawdry halo]

Yeh, and then it’s rogue

[dawn heath]

If monks were tuned properly alot more would play them im sure

[whole snow]

I feel like all 3 rogue specs are just

Criminally overcomplicated

And that’s why the playrate is so low

Not really assa

But the other two for sure

[tawdry halo]

Also thematically just a bit not quite there

[dawn heath]

Sub is certainly challenging to pick up if u never played it

[tawdry halo]

But I’m a rogue lifer sooo

[dawn heath]

Assa in raid is turbo easy

[whole snow]

Also yeah rogue has the 3 worst hero talents in the game imo

Fatebound is ok

[dawn heath]

In keys its way harder

[whole snow]

But still just passive

[dawn heath]

I dont think i have ever played a simpler rotation than sin in raid

It feels like a classic vanilla rotation

[burnt star]

Imagine having a hero talent that is 100% ignore if u lose something u can only reapply once every 2 min

[tawdry halo]

It could easily be fixed by making the duration of darkest night longer than 30sec

[burnt star]

Thats not the issue

If ur mark target disapear but doesnt die

Gl!

[tawdry halo]

Oh true

[burnt star]

See u in 2 min

And hope that u dont get hit by normal aoe shit that will auto break stealth

No other hero talent works like that

[silk sundial]

I didn't mind it as much when we were not using Vanish as a dps cd. Vanish as a utility made deathmark more forgiving at least

[wise whale]

It's ok ur kb gets parried & then you can just vanish for utility

🙃

[lofty junco]

anyone having the problem that the TWW cinematic plays everytime i try to log in?

i tried the rename interface/cache/wtf folder to Old but didn't work

[pure moth]

This is a common comment in the threads..
in retail/wtf edited config.yml, changed

SET playIntroMovie “13”

to

SET playIntroMovie “11”

Saved the file, launched wow, skipped the intro yet again, logged all the way in, then camped back out. On relog now, I finally no longer have to see the video.

[velvet nacelle]

man i hav enever struggled with any of this content more than zekvir

mage tower was a breeze in legion

this is so random

brann just doesn't dispell sometimes

he literally just let me bleed out ot the first enfeeble 3 pulls in a row now

[runic hinge]

You gotta just rotate cloak vanish and dispel but if he doesnt dispel asap just use one

i took double vanish just in case

[velvet nacelle]

so my pattern i'm doing is cloak first, let him dispel, vanish next, let him dispel

usually his second dispel is in p2

and that gives me time to get cloak and vanish back

but sometimes he just doesn't do it and i have a cd tracker for him now

it won't be on cd

he'll just let it ride and not even throw bottles so i just atrophy out

[proper holly]

does rogue have a content creator like kalamazi for warlock

[hollow river]

if you mean like a theorycrafter, there's whispyr

a few rogues stream keys like casualaddict

[velvet nacelle]

i'll atke whysper over kalamazi any day

mainly because i don't know kalamazi, never heard that name before

but still, gotta have other rogues back these days, wow devs certainly won't

[runic hinge]

tbh zek is just rng, you just gotta keep pulling til you get good rng

[velvet nacelle]

brann just keeps dropping the dispel i need late in the fight

by dropping i mean "the ball" as in not doing it

he also just ran out of the room once, not feared and zekvir chased him out and reset at 18%

that was fun

[runic hinge]

yeah in my first 5 attempts that happened and then i didnt get him low for like 10 more

[velvet nacelle]

at least he's failing to dispel me on the first one i need from him

so it's wasting less time

brann just stood in some shit and died at 4% and it was his dispel turn 😦

[crude helm]

I think brann died like 4 times in my kill

[velvet nacelle]

that was literally the first time he's died all night for me

he's run out of the room and reset the boss like 3 times

but actually died? once

fuck this fight

got it

but fuck this fight

it's not even like fulfilling to finish it

[crude helm]

i ended up doing it on olaw since killing spree removes that debuff he puts on you

[velvet nacelle]

yeah i considered it

but i don't have a good outlaw setup and without the haste the rotato feels bad

[thin furnace]

Gnome active removes it on 1min cd

[rotund oak]

outlaw

[buoyant herald]

cool that KS is good for something though

[static glacier]

dm one of the shadows

[limber lion]

Bans are basically non-reversible, unless your account was stolen and used to spam the channels.

[last moth]

Do you use garrot 2 times in aoe for Set Bonus or just 1 time to get faster in spitter?

[neat smelt]

!ic

someone use the command please

[golden loom]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[vestal cliff]

does someone know where i can get daggers on PTR?

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter

Everything scales up when youre in content anyway

So whatever you have is completely fine

[vestal cliff]

ah very nice thanks <3

[wheat lodge]

I did it with the talent that gives vanish 2 charges. it clears the enfeeble. it does sometimes randomly resets the boss although i was able to avoid it by tricksing brann before vanishing when the boss was low

[wary shadow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[wanton ridge]

How is sin looking so far in PTR? Did they fix tier set? Will it be the stronger build? I saw most people were playing sub. Will that be the new rogue meta?

[royal lantern]

if anyone tells you anything abot "X spec/Class will be strong!!!" rn

they are stupid

simple as that

[gusty mirage]

bro

my discord is freaking out

[royal lantern]

its the same every single patch release, nobody knows, stuff will be over and undertuned, they adjust things, they adjust them again and again and again, and now its all different

[gusty mirage]

I'm never coming in this channel again

[spice spire]

Call me this channel

[gusty mirage]

????????

[spice spire]

Hey

[slate crown]

hey

[normal mist]

Hey

[sharp viper]

hey

[ember mural]

Hey

[rotund oak]

hey

[tall atlas]

hey

[golden loom]

hey

[rotund oak]

whats ur problem dude

u just had to type hey

[runic hinge]

Hey

[golden loom]

???

[rotund oak]

[strange sleet]

hey

[jaunty venture]

hey guys im just gearing an assa rogue rn so doing like +8-9s. is double vanish worth in lower keys?

[dapper cradle]

didn't know zero plays dk now

[heady drum]

why the fuck does assa rogues still have to apply poison

we should have a passive we learn at level 16 or something
poisoned sheaths - all poisons are permanent

[runic hinge]

it's thematic and this is an rpg

[heady drum]

its not thematic and im not roleplaying

[royal lantern]

while i agree that the poison thing is a bit silly, everytime somebody says "IM NOT ROLEPLAYING" i want them to remove another QoL thing

[warm vortex]

Guys be rolling out of any tbc dungeon thinking they looked slick

[jaunty venture]

is this talent build playable only in higher keys? do we want subterfuge and master assassin for the lower end of keys?

[wanton nest]

Mmorpg, you are in fact playing a role of a made up character in a fantasy setting trying to kill fantasy enemies.

[rotund oak]

you are just lazy enough to apply your poisons,not thematic nor roleplaying

[wanton nest]

Also you have to choose which poisons.

[heady drum]

okay bro thats awesome

its such a pointless thing thats whatsup

[runic hinge]

Playing wow is pointless. Entropy comes for us all.

[rotund oak]

yeah thats pretty much it,we have to choose what poisons we want to use thats why we need to apply them

ppl yap about stuff like that

escapes me

[rotund oak]

very true

[keen spruce]

Damage in lower keys basically doesn’t matter at all. Your success is completely determined by handling mechanics and avoiding catastrophic issues. So having iron wire and subterfuge and double vanish is advised.

But that build is also fine, you’re just giving up utility for damage (which is kind of unnecessary at low keys)

[keen spruce]

So true bestie

[runic hinge]

gm shmeeps

[keen spruce]

Gm king

[runic hinge]

162 rating from grand marshal

[meager latch]

Does anyone know what assass rogues will be like in 11.1? I keep hearing they will be awful compared to sub and outlaw. I am just coming back to the game and main a rogue.

[normal mist]

no

no one knows

[pliant remnant]

I don't get why people ask this

like, have we not launched a game in the last like 20 years, lads

[runic hinge]

tuning will happen the day of the patch and for two weeks after and probably some more during the patch, blizz has kept specs close for the past 5 years just play what you like

[pliant remnant]

Games can be updated now

through the power of the interwebs

[winged sun]

Built like an Ape irl — Yesterday at 9:13 PM
Hey
[LE] Lisonna | Ensconced — Yesterday at 9:14 PM
hey
Royal — Yesterday at 9:15 PM
Hey
Vaeira — Yesterday at 9:28 PM
hey
Doz — Yesterday at 9:52 PM
Hey
Sapzilla — Yesterday at 10:01 PM
hey
Ovid — Yesterday at 10:03 PM
hey
uwucutegirl in game — Yesterday at 10:03 PM
hey

fuck that was long

hey

[meager latch]

okay thank you

[keen spruce]

[waxen field]

hi fellow rogues, ive recleared the first 4 today, remarked that i wasn't quite as performing as older logs (in parse%), but i can't figure at all what i'm doing wrong, so i'm kindly asking for a log review if anyone is willing. (parses here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WtfdG36abVvzjP2D?fight=21&type=damage-done&source=21)

[royal lantern]

3:41 kill timer

found the problem

[slate crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1326651001423396875/ABB203CD-3297-412D-9C1F-9482770360F6.gif

[waxen field]

well i mean even if i resctrict my parse a 2m45 i'm nowhere near big numbers that some do

[keen spruce]

Zoomin it to 2:45 just deletes all of your execute damage

[keen spruce]

and you just got bad crits on KB

[drifting cloud]

you also dont have warr buff

thats pretty big

[keen spruce]

ye but the actual button presses seem mostly fine

you should stay on the boss

during the bonk

and just cloak with < 1s left

u SS back in but just don't leave in the first place

you can immune the hit with late cloak

(and the knockback)

you did that twice

but othewise pretty okay

just giga beans kill time

you only got picked for charge once and it was on a good set

so that wasn't a big deal

kill time the big one

[wet plover]

Anyone have a good Delve talent tree? Tryna solo Zek before season ends

[balmy condor]

For zek you can take a ton of stuff, raid build m+ build, and if you want some extra safety you take double vanish for the dispel

[gentle eagle]

Looking at some sims from the PRT build, is it likely that the crafted SIphoned Stiletto will be BIS dagger for Assa?

[runic hinge]

no

[balmy condor]

Not a chance in hell

[gentle eagle]

Do we have an idea of what to shoot for yet?

[balmy condor]

Top of the most recent pin

[gentle eagle]

I didn't see anything about weapons on it though.

[balmy condor]

Wdym

[gentle eagle]

The mega info?

[balmy condor]

We use weapon embellishments now already that’s why no change

Blessed weapon grip is also a weapon embellishment

[gentle eagle]

Sorry it that to assume everforged stabber is BIS than?

[slate crown]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[slate crown]

just get a high ilvl weapon

[balmy condor]

Everforged stabbed is bis yes

Offhand weapon is the most useless slot we have

So generally good to craft embellishments onto it

[gentle eagle]

Thank you that's all I needed to know.

[slate crown]

Sir 🤓 sorry to be a bother sir 🤓 but you'll find that having an offhand weapon is essential to casting mutilate 🤓

[balmy condor]

[slate crown]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1115585699027091556/1117939453105807520/togif.gif

[waxen field]

ok tyvm

[analog field]

I thought that because offhand is useless it's the last thing to upgrade and buff. isn't the embellishment better on gear slots?

[gentle eagle]

Bunch of people already have 636 everforged stabbers already, so recrafting is gonna be pretty convenient for a BIS item piece.

[balmy condor]

ascendance is only available on weapons

[hearty reef]

doesnt it apply poison?

[slate crown]

We already had one needless pedant we don't need two.

[hearty reef]

im not reading competition

[willow cloud]

if sims say Deadeye spyglasss sims (slightly, less than 100k more) higher than sac brood, do I just run spyglass no matter what the wowhead guide says?

[buoyant herald]

No, you should read how the trinkets work

Spyglass stacks a buff up so if you lose uptime on your single target it loses value

[spice surge]

No

[willow cloud]

yeah, it has nothing to do with uptime

both suffer from low uptime

[spice surge]

It takes 1 second to fully stack it, and it lasts for 10 seconds

[buoyant herald]

Wow, didn’t know it stacked up that fast my bad

[spice surge]

Even if it procs on your non main target it takes very little to stack it. Just fok is fine

And it doesnt matter if you attack something else

You dont lose the buff

[buoyant herald]

Good to know

[tame lake]

!macro

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/4eh4SVV.png is this addon legit and is dr a thing already for assa? this is mastery gear and with skardyns grace popped

[spice surge]

Yes but its not something you would ever care about

[soft surge]

my alc chaos had rolled crit so rolling mastery on it woudl be even higher ofc

[soft surge]

oh

[spice surge]

Its included in the sim already

[soft surge]

thats good then

so it wouldnt be any better at all to throw a haste >mastery gem in over a mastery > crit or something

ill just sitck with the sims ig

[shy heron]

Boring answer but yeah, just do what the sim says

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/skate-kanji-cat-gif-18361256103636562809

Justice for Kingsbane

[slate crown]

Damn I'll never be as cool as this cat

[indigo mulch]

I believe Lis.

Just grab that skate and go.

[thorn thorn]

Make that both of us

[severe sparrow]

damn. i settled in to try and get zekvir ?? down before the patch and the ring + like 25 ilvls really changed that experience

[balmy condor]

yeh

ilvl this patch has been crazy strong

[willow cloud]

Man I quit after 3 weeks and come back at end of season for IO so I don't have to deal with things like being insta-dispell killed by a mage on aflying havoc player in SoB last boss. How tf are people in 13s still doing shit like that.

[serene flicker]

Seems counter productive, you come back late and you don’t have time left to get title, if you’re already doing 13s you already have any benefits possible from gaining IO, and the only groups you can pug into are the people that took all season to push to 2800

[willow cloud]

Theres usually alot more re-rollers finishing up pushing, I think the deadness/un-funness or the 12 jump really killed late season participation compared to a normal s1

[subtle tundra]

you know the later you do it, the worse the players are

the people that are good are past 13s already

and the ones struggling havent passed 13

[willow cloud]

yeah, i'm just old and have been too lazy to find a guild/group to do things early in the season, when its a pain in the ass to get into high key groups, I guess you're right I shouldn't expect more

[rotund oak]

no you are bis

[glad osprey]

Where are we sitting at?

Guildies wanna know what to main next season, but I've been indecisive because sin doesn't seem to be in a really good spot next season.

and I really don't wanna go sub

[buoyant herald]

the bottom section of the top pinned comment is what you want to read

[red schooner]

I mean unless your guild is pushing for world first does it matter that much?

Like, all specs can do reasonably competitive DPS if played well, just play what you enjoy

[golden loom]

spec is good atm, and got no changes so how bad can it really be

[royal lantern]

no

[balmy condor]

Honestly is proof of it

They’re like a top 15 guild every season and they run like fucking bear druid and feral and mistweaver and shit all the time

[fervent relic]

Were can i find the dps sims for all classes for 11.1? My google skills arent good enough for them. Is ol atm stronger in sim?

[lusty kraken]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/

as you can see, the sims for 11.1 are not done

[pliant remnant]

Silly assa rogue players in 11.0, look at how high Outlaw sims over you

[subtle tundra]

what if youre lying

[lusty kraken]

yeah taking 5 min sims at face value is not wise

[balmy condor]

I didn’t even bother updating this for 11.0.7

[royal lantern]

[subtle tundra]

????????? youre getting payed

[lusty kraken]

sandbagging

[balmy condor]

then I’ll suck the skin between your toes

[balmy condor]

By who

I’m getting paid for this shit?

[subtle tundra]

suck some other excess skin

males have

[royal lantern]

your sponsor Nord VPN

[pliant remnant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[balmy condor]

Can’t even get a water sponsor man it’s rough out here

Meanwhile varas thinking someone’s paying me to update every bis list on the internet

[spice surge]

Can you update mine too

[jade abyss]

Wait you search a sponsor for healthy things o.O

[balmy condor]

No, I’m too busy updating seli’s

[spice surge]

[balmy condor]

Yeah healthy water

[jade abyss]

The first one

They have good water in the states?

[balmy condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1255570724861771896/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_2.gif

See

[lusty kraken]

as we all know, americans don't drink water, they sustain themselves with soda

[balmy condor]

I’m already driving interest in the product

Money bags now please!

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/spyro-spyro-the-dragon-moneybags-hit-gif-12002222

[royal lantern]

be american

wake up to the sound of gun shots

eat your breakfast, a bucket Chicken wings+a entire bottle of Cola

drive to your work in New York

on your way to work go bankrupt 3x because of hospital bills

drive home after work and drink another 2 bottles of Cola + eat 2 burgers

daily life of a american, as we all know

[subtle tundra]

IM SO HUNGRY MAN

IM SO FUCKING HUNG RY

[royal lantern]

eat something, idk

[subtle tundra]

im not hung, that was a mistake

[serene flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/america-merica-murica-usa-born-gif-22051907

It really is a beautiful country

Let’s all say the pledge of allegiance

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[jade abyss]

Kilometer > everything

[dawn seal]

hello

does most guilds have favortism

or has it been just my experience

with this one guild

[serene flicker]

Give examples

[subtle tundra]

favoritism is everywhere

real life or in game

[iron carbon]

wdym?

[jade abyss]

I think he mean that guilds give specific members better stuff or other things

Bcs they like them more

[dawn seal]

not like that

but

putting people in the roster cuz they are close friends to you and not how capable they are

[dawn seal]

idc about loot

stats are delusion

i dont need stats

[wary tulip]

it depends, makes sense if people have played together for a long time, they know that guy wouldn't disappear out of a blue

[subtle tundra]

ive seen your logs
you need loot

[subtle tundra]

yes that happens all the time at all world ranks

also worse players sometimes are brought for other reasons
such as help with weakauras
callouts

morale

i choose to believe raid morale improves whenever i meow

[dawn seal]

thanks :>

[jade abyss]

Varas is my favorite

[normal mist]

Varas is everyone's favorite

[subtle tundra]

meow

[golden loom]

meow

[bronze pike]

Meow

[normal mist]

Meow

[jade abyss]

So varas get all the loot and girls?

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

[warm vortex]

For like 2 miliseconds i thought that was a harmonica

Whispyr harmonica stream when

Also no more love co farming thank fuck

[warm vortex]

I thought you guys did hourly flag salutes right?
And go to 4 ball games a day, with the hotdog in hand, giving thanks to the land of the free

[royal lantern]

im not American

and its insulting you thought that

[final star]

I don't think varas even likes girls plz confirm @subtle tundra with icky or nah

[subtle tundra]

i like girls and love men

[final star]

[jade abyss]

Varas is a true Gaymer

❤️

[hearty reef]

[warm vortex]

Attempt 78

:D

Sadly i can't use it to much because for some reason it can't fly

despite

Yknow

Having wings

[red schooner]

Penguin mount

[warm vortex]

Still cool

[normal mist]

Hell yeah

[warm vortex]

I was annoyed last night finding out it can't fly

XD

Screenshot near sethekk halls

[normal mist]

Who needs to fly when you can walk so majestically

[slow tulip]

any speculative tier lists for the raid, guys ? thx in advance

[subtle tundra]

uh

@vestal wren

can you link a tier list or two

[normal mist]

Yeah fuu tier list is pretty accurate

[strange python]

Vouching for fuu tierlist, that’s the only accurate one

[vestal wren]

sure, here is a spec tier list

and hero talents

[red schooner]

S tier - the specs you enjoy playing
F tier - the specs you don't enjoy playing

There u go

[subtle tundra]

fuck me we got a fucking D tier and an F tier hero talent

[normal mist]

Yep things are rough

Maybe with some changes we can get to S

Srogue

Sdeathstalker

[vestal wren]

Sadstalker

[pliant remnant]

Ssubtlety rogue

[brazen sluice]

Ce + HoF

finally

[normal mist]

Gratz my man

[magic fossil]

so... what is waiting for us in 11.1?

[jade abyss]

New Dungeonrotation

[magic fossil]

about our spec i mean

we good?

[red schooner]

Ye probably

[magic fossil]

niceee!

[jade abyss]

A new island that spawns from outha nowhere like everytime x)

[red schooner]

The spec ain't really changing so, eh, same thing new season

[solar wyvern]

Same thing, new season, probably A/A- tier

Tho on ptr i wasn't very satisfied with my aoe

Boomies and eles out here doing 20 mil a pull xd

[brazen sluice]

ty ty ❤️

[magic fossil]

😐 i saw kush playing dh, seems solid

[subtle tundra]

yeah... Assa in A tier

ive seen this earlier

[normal mist]

Dh seems solid because Kush played it,
Or did kush play it because dh seems solid?

[subtle tundra]

next youll say sub is S tier

[normal mist]

It is tho

[magic fossil]

no idea, just talking about his damage. Keeping up 18 19 mil in a good aoe pull

anyways, i'll stick with assa anyways]

[subtle tundra]

there have been no tuning changes

sub will get its tier tuned down

assa tuned up

[limpid lava]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[worldly sail]

sub S tier, assa A tier, sin S tier, outlaw O tier

heard it here first

[wanton nest]

🤣

I get it

[lofty junco]

what tierlist is that?

do we need anything besides rupture and garrote as debuffs on the nameplates to show?

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-look-harder-look-i-dont-know-dont-know-gif-5660589

or just read them outloud

[normal mist]

Yeah read the specs outloud

They belong on those tier lists

[lofty junco]

ah no i just remember whispyr said something about datamines and tierlists are pointless. so was just surprised seeing a tierlist^^

[normal mist]

Just...

Read it

[humble verge]

so this is the current PTR list then

[spice surge]

That list is eternal

Its literally never incorrect

[warm vortex]

Fuck it imma try comp stomp

Soundsfun

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-war-thunder-war-cat-war-gif-4929875301120562890

[vestal wren]

11.1 raid, mythic+ and pvp tier list

[subtle tundra]

and potentially 11.2

[humble verge]

so

its finally time to change to sub

[vestal wren]

haha ye, as eleem mentioned its never incorrect

[lofty junco]

do we need anything besides rupture and garrote as debuffs on the nameplates to show?

[humble verge]

having CS, CT, KB and DM is also pretty nice but

up to you

[warm vortex]

Ok comp stomp is fun

Brain off

no thoughts

[normal mist]

Just honor farm

[lofty junco]

whats CS?
the others should be crimson tempest, kingsbane and deathmark?

[earnest remnant]

caustic spatter?

[lofty junco]

ah

[obtuse robin]

hey mr @vestal wren what am i doing wrong that i cant see any sim on your spreadsheet

[subtle tundra]

cause they are old

and they expire

[obtuse robin]

is there somewhere else i can get the info

[subtle tundra]

what info

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[obtuse robin]

havent played sin all tier just want to look at the different talent builds for different content

[subtle tundra]

there's imports for the talents

also those sims aren't the most played ones

they are the highest simming

[obtuse robin]

i see

[vestal wren]

the 11.0 sims likely expired today or soo, there is initial 11.1 sims on the light version

[obtuse robin]

ty

[timid bramble]

Ok tier lists show Ass at at least A+ so it must be true cause it's professional YouTube video right ?? Amirite??? Tier lists are the best 😊

😆

[subtle tundra]

with current ST dps, we have 0 chance of m+ meta

[indigo mulch]

Isen't the 4p broken af tho?

[subtle tundra]

our 4pc?

yeah its broken

0.6% dps aaah 4 set

with the st we have rn, our aoe has to be so bonkers high it wouldnt get past PTR

for us to be in m+ meta

[indigo mulch]

I mean if we take fuu's sims of 2,236k if we add another 4% to that we still be lagging behind quite a lot unfortunally :C

[lusty kraken]

So how come current assa is meta and next season is not

Not like current assa does good ST

[indigo mulch]

I'm guessing they want the Tier set to be around 4~5% of 2p and 4p and a total of like 10%ish

[solar wyvern]

A ton of pulls you can bring trash into or theres adds on bosses

Theres like 4 pure ST bosses this season

[dawn heath]

Cap

[wise whale]

So gg theatre of cock I guess

Besides 1st boss

Maybe our duel DPS on xav will carry idk

[hearty reef]

remember to not leave your mark upstairs

[wise whale]

F

[red schooner]

I wish they'd even just include an ability in the tree on a 30second or something cooldown to transfer the mark, not tied to vanish.

Rather than having to either hope you have vanish up or play around having darkest night up

Maybe court still has me jaded who knows, it'd make life a bit easier at least

[lofty junco]

btw can u switch talents/builds while in delve?

[red schooner]

You can

[distant helm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[subtle tundra]

we currently have high ST tuning in raid

so losing 25% ST isnt completely dead ST(it almost is)

[indigo shoal]

That tier list is correct? i heard that rogue suck on 11.1 😦

[subtle tundra]

but losing 25% ST next tier means we do same ST as a shaman currently

[dawn heath]

Why are we losing 25% st

Did i miss something

[subtle tundra]

cause swapping from full st to m+ talents

loses us a lot of st

[dawn heath]

Right

[subtle tundra]

when people look at that assa sim, thats with full raid st setup

[dawn heath]

Its funny going from no buffs in a key doing 1mil on Bosses with aug sometimes lmao then u jump into raid other talents and 18% raid buff all of a sudden you do 2mil st

[golden loom]

Blindside procs go so hard

[royal lantern]

zoldyck aswell

[wanton nest]

Anyone have the graph of tier set gains for each class

[lofty junco]

btw why was it said, that assa or rogue in general aiN't great for delve?

[jade abyss]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[normal mist]

#assassination message this one is

[indigo shoal]

So, sub is the way? I like the idea :p

[normal mist]

That tier list is literally correct yeah

A shame Assassination is A tier

And Subtlety is S

[vagrant brook]

no way Outlaw is O tier

[somber sparrow]

Outlaw is OUTTA HERE

[normal mist]

Unfortunately yes

[indigo shoal]

2 weeks left, maybe something chance, no?

But i like the idea on subrogue its back ..

[peak bobcat]

i think sub in S and Assas in A is a 100% safe bet

[nova aspen]

is sub and sin both after house of cards next season?

nvm i see it

generally speaking we'll be able to swap between both specs pretty fluently it would seem

thats nice

[normal mist]

Glad you see it brother

[nova aspen]

do both specs want eye of kezan as well?

[normal mist]

Maaaaaaaybe

[indigo shoal]

So, rogue its a safe class on s2?

[nova aspen]

rogue is a safe class every season of every expansion

i don't think its ever not sucked

[indigo shoal]

glad to hear that 🙂