assassination

[midnight mist]

For things that cleave

[lusty kraken]

so it's like ghostly strike

unlucky

[midnight mist]

It's the same for everything btw

[warm vortex]

Shiv when you need someone shanked

[midnight mist]

Well ye but

[balmy condor]

if it did that, the math would skyrocket

[midnight mist]

It's not just ghostly

[balmy condor]

like logically yes it should

[midnight mist]

It's just debuff/buffs on the target

[balmy condor]

but mathematically it can't

[midnight mist]

Never cleave

[golden loom]

read "skardyn" and pogchampped really hard for a second

[spice surge]

Just like how if you hit a boss with 100% increased damage taken it doesnt matter the spatter twice as strong

[midnight mist]

Not for spatter, not for bf, not for nimble dlurry

[lusty kraken]

guess I don't have to waste a gcd on shiv in aoe then

[midnight mist]

Right !

That's what I told quake!

He told me no!

What a liar

[balmy condor]

[low ruin]

Unless you have arterial precision

[midnight mist]

Fuck quake

Who tf uses arterial precision

Is that a talent

[balmy condor]

left side capstone

raid build type shit

[lusty kraken]

I wish there was an m+ build with blindside

[midnight mist]

I don't read my capstone's

[gusty mirage]

[midnight mist]

For what

[balmy condor]

man I'm about to blow your mind

[midnight mist]

When you pressing that ambush cuh

[golden loom]

bleedmaxer3000 enjoyers take it

[subtle tundra]

in yo mom

sorry. in opener for mark

[spice surge]

raid build type shit fr fr

[lusty kraken]

the ambush costs no energy

infinite energy in st

[midnight mist]

So what you have infinite energy in aoe

[balmy condor]

zac has deduced why people don't play left side in keys

HES LEARNING

[midnight mist]

Ye I'm good I know

[lusty kraken]

sure but ST feels like dogshit in m+

[midnight mist]

Ok but a talent that is litteraly useless

In every AOE scenario

Doesn't sound good

[lusty kraken]

it is useless in aoe indeed

[midnight mist]

For m+

Maybe Im yapping tho

[balmy condor]

[midnight mist]

And it's the most insane talent

Ever

[lusty kraken]

I just want to not off myself when doing a ST fight as assa

[midnight mist]

Holy !

[balmy condor]

dashing could be reasonable tbf

and that's also a zdps aoe talent for the most part

[gusty mirage]

[midnight mist]

[subtle tundra]

I LOVE MEN

[balmy condor]

but yeh blindside is literally just "my brain wants funny energy free ambush heehee"

[lusty kraken]

yes I never implied otherwise

[balmy condor]

I know

I ain't talkin to you cuh

I'm talking to frenchie

[spice spire]

Can’t wait to get screenshots of this two months down the road

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/frenchie-frenchie-the-boys-frenchie-très-bien-frenchie-s2-the-boys-gif-15507684424335664384

frenchie?

[lusty kraken]

perhaps they should cap the energy gain in aoe and buff ST energy regen

[balmy condor]

wtf unreal you would say this

[midnight mist]

Bro

He did tho

Fuck you cake

Never asking you something ever again !

Enough is enough!

[balmy condor]

so that you could mut mut env even harder?

35% of our damage is envenom how much more do you freaks want

[lusty kraken]

[spice spire]

God so real

[lusty kraken]

I can't wait to do 20m envenoms

[spice surge]

Red pill blue pill type shit when we get to choose between green eviscerate spec and purple eviscerate spec

[lusty kraken]

also it's funny how I rerolled from unholy because they are going to become a death coil bot spec just to become an envenom bot instead

[balmy condor]

red pill blue pill type shit when we get to choose between purple envenom hero talent and light blue envenom hero talent

[iron carbon]

Seems I was right about it

[balmy condor]

gratz

[warm vortex]

Whisp when did you last sleep

[balmy condor]

yesterday

[iron carbon]

[lusty kraken]

there are bis lists and sims to be done and whispyr is sleeping 😠

[balmy condor]

what do you think I've been doing all day

[lusty kraken]

wow you're actually doing bis lists

[golden loom]

omg getting vest from vault allows me to swap to crafted cloak and gain infinite dps

[lusty kraken]

I know how much you love them

[balmy condor]

I pushed the pin stuff

for merging

did vidyo

have my bis st and dslice

[balmy condor]

and my tier numbers

and I have my circlet ilvl numbers

[lusty kraken]

thanks for your hard work mr whispyr

[balmy condor]

I set up all the sims in my text editor to be re-run when tuning hits

agony

too much agony

[lusty kraken]

but you're not doing aff lock sims?

[subtle tundra]

you deserve money for this... sorry you have to do it for free

[balmy condor]

I have 12 tabs of sims open right now comparing everything from embellishment to iron wire alternatives

tomorrow guide writing begins

and then once I'm done

[subtle tundra]

do me

[balmy condor]

blizzard will flip everything over

and I will need to do it all again kinda

but half

maybe they just nerf envenom by like 25% and compensate with a billion other buffs to bleeds and kb and dm

and then nothing makes sense anymore

and I have to scramble

who knows!

I love patch cycles!

[subtle tundra]

i love you

[lusty kraken]

do you actually expect for them to tune in-depth

[subtle tundra]

man i need to say those words to a human instead of whispyr

[lusty kraken]

personally I expect them to just buff the 4p

[balmy condor]

In depth? No

Enough to fuck me over? Yes

[spice spire]

I get them

[lusty kraken]

they completely ignored rogue the entire PTR cycle, they won't put that much effort now

[spice spire]

Just remove over

[earnest remnant]

[iron carbon]

Thanks but you look a bit grumpy, take some rest mate

[balmy condor]

I mean they ignored rogue for changes

That doesn’t mean they can just

Not tune

[balmy condor]

That’s just my face I’m afraid

I just look like that

[iron carbon]

Thanks for sacrifying your mental health for us

[balmy condor]

My pleasure

[spice spire]

Get a new hobby raccoon boy

[iron carbon]

I just did read the pin btw. Is the dry shiv stuff already relevant?

[balmy condor]

It’s like 0.1-0.2 with current gear

Dry shiv was always kinda on the radar after they buffed the s1 tier to include envenom but I could never justify actually doing it

[warm vortex]

Blabbering

[balmy condor]

S2 tier and more mastery and shit just ramps it though

[iron carbon]

Okay, so it's "okish" to do it to be familiar with rotation?

[warm vortex]

Sleep is importnat!

[balmy condor]

So in s2 it’s like 0.5%

[balmy condor]

Yeah totally fine maybe even optimal

I was doing it on reclear today

[spice surge]

Surely the discrepancy between assa 4p and sub 4p is intended

Its just gonna stay that way

[balmy condor]

Anything to get mplussers cooties away from me

[lusty kraken]

why do you hate m+ so much

[balmy condor]

I don’t

I hate the people that play it

[lusty kraken]

why

[subtle tundra]

the players are insane

mentally

[iron carbon]

I'm okay with you hating me

[balmy condor]

Cause they’re fucking zoo animals man have you talked to them?

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-won-but-at-what-cost-gif-22646525

[balmy condor]

These people cannot be reasoned with

[lusty kraken]

idk I play m+, maybe that's why I'm missing why you hate them

[golden loom]

Anyone got a weakaura for lingering darkness? 😄

[iron carbon]

was thinkin about the same xD

[balmy condor]

Anyone who is willingly sitting in town queueing for a 14 is just beyond saving

[iron carbon]

Just make it

[lusty kraken]

compared to doing what

[balmy condor]

Copy whatever your darkest night wa is and change the trigger

[balmy condor]

Literally anything else

[lusty kraken]

is there anything to do in wow besides m+ and raid?

[balmy condor]

Yes

Or even play idk

Something else

Or touch grass

[placid adder]

Goldshire

[lusty kraken]

but doing m+ with the boys is pretty fun

[warm vortex]

Mount collecting
Achievements
PvP
Rp
Pet collecting

[balmy condor]

The things that keep the lights on at blizzard amen

[lusty kraken]

I'm not a roleplayer

[golden loom]

m+ with the boys is hopefully my plan for next season, was a bit too late to get them into it this season

[warm vortex]

Bro RP players must be the happiest in the world
Like imagine not having to worry about your class balance or anything

You legit just chill

[balmy condor]

Collectors are mentally damaged but they don’t care either

[warm vortex]

Like you say
“Yea we need to do a dungeon”
Cinematically ride on your mounts up to the entrance

[iron carbon]

Just let people doing what they love to do

[warm vortex]

Instead of just taking a portal

[balmy condor]

They’re just running a cata raid on 7 characters a week and malding about no drop

[warm vortex]

Like whenever you have to collect loot you all rp walk up to he chest

[iron carbon]

If I love waiting in town for hours to get into a group that will disband after 5 min in into a key. That's my choice

[balmy condor]

Being literally anything other than a high end PvE player is such a peaceful life

[warm vortex]

Tbh I’m a bit leveling fan

I love going through the zones and reading the story

Sadly, it takes a lot of time

And uni exists

[iron carbon]

[warm vortex]

Yea
Imagine not having to care about logs

Oh my god

“What’s simming?”

[golden loom]

My friend had been playing wow since MoP and highest level of content he had done was LFR, otherwise just collecting stuff and achievements, until this season when I started playing the game and now he got AOTC + 4/8 mythic done 😄

[warm vortex]

You have endangered him

[golden loom]

I showed him what it means to only care about the damage meter

[balmy condor]

“Whispyr why guide take double vanish but streamer took 1 lethality instead is this really better? I saw dungeonslice its -2% but then I simmed 3 target and it was -0.5 and also what stat do I take and is legendary skipper really better I don’t believe you and I’m using fok on 6/7 with darkest night cause it feels better idc that it’s worse, I only optimize dps when it’s convenient to me fuck you”

Hours of my life returned to me if keys didn’t go past 14

[golden loom]

[balmy condor]

What do I know though, I don’t have a bajillion io

[normal mist]

Yeah get gud first

[iron carbon]

Less discord, more keys

[normal mist]

In all honesty, I admire your endurance. I wouldn't be able to deal with so much bullshit and still keep working with this

[balmy condor]

It’s funny how this works cause in bfa I was like yeah im a pretty good player idk im parsing like 98-99 heroic and then purple parsing mid mythic but I don’t CE, it’s chill though, and then people called me a shitter cause no mythic raid and how could I make pins and tc if no CE unreal how such bad player make info

So then I got CE but oh CE so late into tier and you didn’t have giga parse

And it’s just perma that

[midnight mist]

Do you hate me, I'm nice

[balmy condor]

For nearly a decade

Legit almost half my life at this point it’s just been “oh but whispyr isn’t X so dumb + stupid”

And then I do X

[midnight mist]

Io check?

[balmy condor]

And it’s just next cycle

Whispyr isn’t Y

[lusty kraken]

I will not listen to Whispyr until he wins the RWF

[midnight mist]

What a noob

[warm vortex]

God imagine picking your talents based on coolness factor and not viability cause your gonna be killing random mobs to continue your self made story with your friends

[balmy condor]

I should just be RWF and win mdi and also tgp and also do rank 1 live key push and YouTube and also do the guides and tc and maintain sim and then also have a life and a gf and get engaged and have friends and hobby’s and maybe even enjoy another game

wait, I didn’t PvP

[iron carbon]

It's a bit stupid.. Pro are coached by people with less results than them...
Just trust the TC

[golden loom]

win AWC also noob

[midnight mist]

Thats fine no one cares about pvp

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean in every other sport this is true but not in video games cause for some reason it’s different to have knowledge vs button pushing skill? Idk

[normal mist]

For whatever it is worth, I'll let you know that I appreciate your dedication and all your work, thanks my man.

[golden loom]

win AWC or I will just have to ignore every TC thing here and ask trill/pikaboo in twitch dot tv chat about if I play sanguine blades or not

[warm vortex]

Also how are we all doing this morning/this afternoon/ this evening or if it’s midday

[golden loom]

just got home from the weekly office day so doing great thanks, wbu

[iron carbon]

Also wrong, most of LoL teams are coached by less good people

[foggy coyote]

bruh picking up rogue to main for the first time in TWW, I appreciate you whispyr ❤️

[iron carbon]

for exemple

[balmy condor]

There’s like a twilight zone in wow where the like the top 2 will listen to TC’s because they see the value in number monkeys like me, and then everything down from that until like top 300 sits there and goes “man that dudes a fucking idiot I’m so much better!” And ego’s themselves into oblivion

[golden loom]

have you seen what LS has been dealing with for 10 years?

guy has been screaming at clouds trying to get pros to build correctly

but people in league do not believe in math

[iron carbon]

Just majority of users can't connect 2 braincells and understand that TC + Exp > pushing buttons skills

[balmy condor]

Like I’ve been in every RWF since sanctum on the sidelines doing sims and number-crunching

But no io so bad

[hearty reef]

rude

[subtle kiln]

Have you tried getting io?

[balmy condor]

But then like casual in my DMs asking things and then Zac and varas asking things cause knowledge good

And I’m like okay

But that twilight zone of ego gamers is crazy

[subtle kiln]

People just hate math.

[balmy condor]

Kinda sucks cause math is pretty cool

[hearty reef]

Kinda sucks that math is pretty cool

[subtle kiln]

Yep. I wish my brain enjoyed it more. I fall more to project management and have to see the solution and work backwards.

[balmy condor]

Math is why sub spams rupture

Therefore it sucks

[iron carbon]

Fuck these

[humble verge]

i finally got it, but surely ill be using it

[subtle kiln]

we know DS sims higher as Sub. Still play trickiest of tricksters.

[balmy condor]

Gz on your glimmerthread pantaloons blud

[humble verge]

thanks!!!!!)=(#()="=)("#=)("!=()#!=)("!(=)#"=)(=)("!#

im still mad about

no skardyns ngl

[subtle kiln]

want mine?

Not being used

[humble verge]

no im fine

i just wanna see it in the vault

and not choose it

[iron carbon]

Don't know him :/

[balmy condor]

What if blizzard nerfs circlet but it’s not enough

And then they have to nerf it again

[subtle tundra]

youre enough

[humble verge]

they nerf>>>>>>>>bug>>>>>>>>> it

[golden loom]

famous streamer and was also coach for Cloud 9 for like half a split

[iron carbon]

Murican Streamer?

[golden loom]

is famous for fighting that Morello is shit

[humble verge]

LS

[golden loom]

LS the goat

[warm vortex]

Just bored at uni but I’m understanding it more now so I’m happy! Wanna be home though. 3 hours n 20 min to go

[balmy condor]

You’re more than enough varas we banter a ton but if you don’t push keys I will genuinely miss it

[humble verge]

is it time to prep to go sub for m+ now cause its bugged

or wait for them to patch the PTR

[warm vortex]

Varas is an asshole wym

[balmy condor]

I’d tongue punch that fart box

[golden loom]

I wanna play some sub in raid for sure, only thing that is kinda awkward is learing what to do between cds

[humble verge]

what varas done to you bish

[spice surge]

Genuinely think sub is going to be very strong even after they patch it. Like the burst its doing is not bugged

[warm vortex]

Mate I’d do more than tongue punch it

Give it a full on deep clean

[spice surge]

Its just the out of cooldown damage that is way too high

[lusty kraken]

you chill

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor this you? https://preview.redd.it/8e3r086jlnie1.png?auto=webp&s=b2dd8a5611632f6bf511b16ce58a8e1a9ee68143

[subtle tundra]

I HATE REAL LIFE BRING BACK COVID 19

[golden loom]

I personally love how sin flows so sub feels a bit weird to get used to

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/dunke-dunkey-rainbow-pride-gif-22028695

WE BACK BABEEEEEEEY

[balmy condor]

Don’t need to rescue, I have one of my own

[humble verge]

its been 6 years since i actively played sub

[spice surge]

Sub does nuclear insane damage during cds and effectively nothing outside of it.

[humble verge]

holy shit, literally my life

[balmy condor]

The way god intended honestly

[humble verge]

i go on the PC and i do some stuff

without i am nothing

[balmy condor]

Could you imagine 11.1 sub on smolderon eleem

Holy shit

[spice surge]

Thats a zul scenario

[nova aspen]

VIDEO FOR THE POOKIES GUYS, thats me

[balmy condor]

True!

[humble verge]

omfg zul lmao

i remember 3 people swapping to alts just for the fight

[balmy condor]

Pookies hate reading I have learned

[radiant raven]

Zul took so much from us...

[golden loom]

also worst part about sub is only having 100 energy!!!!

[warm vortex]

Someone should make their profile here just

“Zul”

And have him as their pfp

[warm vortex]

Just giving sub chat nightmares

[radiant raven]

I'll fight them (in a pet battle).

[humble verge]

wdym, i liked Zul?

(clueless)

[balmy condor]

Zul was a fine fight honestly

Better than mythrax

[warm vortex]

You’re a fine fight

[balmy condor]

But blizzard did a bit of an oopsie poolside

[balmy condor]

Sure

Poolside

Nice

[warm vortex]

Poolside

[radiant raven]

Zul was a villain of the highest magnitude that the game has not seen since.

[warm vortex]

Blizzard should know better

[warm vortex]

Never run poolside

Don’t dive into a pool that’s 1 meter deep

[gilded dune]

https://tenor.com/view/tongue-cat-lol-gif-5448014

[balmy condor]

I mean bfa was kinda the start of the end

[gilded dune]

Fart. Boxes huh

[balmy condor]

In terms of blizzard quality control

[warm vortex]

Bro blizzards inception was the end

[hearty reef]

no dust tho?

[spice surge]

What do you need dust for

[warm vortex]

Me and who

[spice surge]

The intermissions are 90s apart

[hearty reef]

openeing at inc

[humble verge]

AYO

[radiant raven]

I legitimately don't recall that many bug issues in BfA.. I guess Mekkatorque was a huge outlier to me 'cos it was clear they didn't think about accessibility. Otherwise I don't really remember a lot of like, bugginess. Just terrible design.

[balmy condor]

Nah the quality control was def better in mop/wod, and then they did legion and realized that people just want content, even if it kinda sucked

[balmy condor]

And so they smashed a bunch of nonsense into bfa

And it kinda worked

[warm vortex]

Let’s get you to bed grandma

[balmy condor]

And then they repeated the whole thing in shadowlands

And that worked too

[balmy condor]

So then in Dragonflight they said fuck it patch always

[warm vortex]

Did it

[balmy condor]

Always content

And that worked too

And now here we are

[warm vortex]

I mean

The wow engine isn’t the best but they clearly don’t test things

[earnest remnant]

what if m+ delete

[balmy condor]

Oh ofc not

They legit don’t have time to test things

[warm vortex]

Like I’d be understanding if they had issues and constantly worked to fix it

[warm vortex]

My car

[balmy condor]

The whole overarching business model of wow as a franchise is “always be releasing something”

Like naxx just dropped in sod this week

[balmy condor]

Dragon soul and shit in cata classic

Plunderstorm ending soon

Then season 2

[warm vortex]

Finally, a news source that doesn’t lie

[balmy condor]

It is insane how much wow there is atm

[ornate dawn]

Cant wait to dry send my shivs in bomba envenoms

[balmy condor]

It’s just the individual quality of each piece sucks

[warm vortex]

This ain’t a cat gif

[humble verge]

UHAUHASHUIDIUHASIUHIUHIUHA

GHAGAHAHAHAHHAHA

[warm vortex]

But I’m reposting it anyway

[humble verge]

AHHAHAHAHAHA

[balmy condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041465700994269255/1324634951785910332/IMG_7534.gif

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078500556139659357/1266583932426653826/attachment.gif

[radiant raven]

best one of these is the GB one imo

[golden loom]

Every SoD patch has been a buggy mess also, except for now I think Naxx was mostly fine? outside of it breaking the regular servers naxx so bosses had 7x their HP

[warm vortex]

Also my mum broke my 3ds on accident

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/guh-mike-mike-ehrmantraut-mike-breaking-bad-mike-better-call-saul-gif-25630010

[warm vortex]

:(

[balmy condor]

Every patch* is a buggy messy

Cata isn’t better

[midnight mist]

@balmy condor you tested every both right, i didnt, is there damage amp next tier

[warm vortex]

@midnight mist noob

[balmy condor]

No

[golden loom]

I am still very active in my hardcore guilds discord even tho I died, and the terror when they did naxx that week and were unsure if they were gonna walk into something crazy

[warm vortex]

Also I shouldn’t be talking here

I have like one hour thirty of break atm

I need to code

[midnight mist]

????

[balmy condor]

Code this

What language are you coding in?

[warm vortex]

C#

Currently just doing small things but I got a project due in 12 weeks

[iron carbon]

Deserved

[spice surge]

Did some double checking. In dragonflight s3 sub did roughly 60% of its damage during blades, current trickster is at roughly 65%. With how the numbers is currently looking i'd expect it to be more like 75% next tier. So ye it would be absolutely wild

[gilded dune]

You’ll spend more time in game in a few weeks you might want to get a huge head start

[warm vortex]

Or

I could do the project in one day before it’s due

Jkjk

Imma prolly try and finish it in the next week or so

[balmy condor]

Okay so code this

[midnight mist]

ok but without dust you cnt do the same on smod

[balmy condor]

(Hold)

[midnight mist]

its 1 min isnt it

[hearty reef]

90

[midnight mist]

in between phases

nvm

[final star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061173765863649340/1295534235771211797/firefox_6sqAxgqBsE.gif

[hearty reef]

but dust gave you cds at inc and guaranteed 2 dances between phases

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/your-mother-gif-23566555

[golden loom]

doing that much of your damage during cds seems kinda nice, cause I guess it doesnt really matter if u fuck up anything in between

[final star]

it was 1 min from pull to 1st intermission

[midnight mist]

ye it would be weird now

[final star]

then 90s between

[midnight mist]

ah ye

[midnight mist]

maybe have to preramp first

to have into second

weird weird

bring back dust !

[hearty reef]

you would just be gigaholding at inc like warrior did

[final star]

[hearty reef]

bring back 100 stakcs KB for the joy of whispyr

[balmy condor]

public class dn
{
public string dn = "your throat";

public void sugma(object person)
{
    dn = “your mouf”
    Console.WriteLine(“dn in your mouf”)
}

static void Main(string[] args)
{
    Okay I’m actually getting sick of this

[hearty reef]

sugma() is not using its argument

[balmy condor]

Nike aren’t you German

[hearty reef]

Nein

[balmy condor]

Susge

[hearty reef]

but im sub main

so, osmosis

[midnight mist]

forgot a few ;

[balmy condor]

Ausbaufähig

[midnight mist]

this for sure wont compile

[humble verge]

KRANKENWAGEN

is the only great german word

[balmy condor]

I’m make a dn joke in c# from mobile at 6am

Cut me some slack

[midnight mist]

no

[warm vortex]

I’d execute that code for sure

[balmy condor]

Yeah like shoot it in the head right

[gilded dune]

[balmy condor]

Zac can provide a guillotine for the code

[midnight mist]

also why you passing person in argument but not using it in the method ?

idk man

[humble verge]

this is my reaction to whispyr manually coding in discord

[midnight mist]

clean your code maybe

[hearty reef]

lmao

[balmy condor]

This the guy that’s writing assa apl, it’s so joever

[midnight mist]

right

[balmy condor]

Zac you might have io score and c# code that will compile

But I have Latina gf

[humble verge]

ok whispyr won at life

[hearty reef]

you live in cali tho, right?

[humble verge]

better hope she aint no toxica

[earnest remnant]

and is of german descend

[balmy condor]

Yes, cheat code

[earnest remnant]

so can you call that won at life

[hearty reef]

thats a minus

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

latina german descent

[balmy condor]

No

[earnest remnant]

whispyr is

not the gf

[humble verge]

🤨

[balmy condor]

I’m German

[midnight mist]

nice

gg

[humble verge]

YOURE GERMAN

gg

[balmy condor]

Gf Mexican

[humble verge]

how much part german are you

🤨

[balmy condor]

50%

The other half is Austria

[spice spire]

Like of the former gulf?

[balmy condor]

Which is basically German

[humble verge]

ja vi habt eine Anschluss mann hier

[balmy condor]

Zoinks!

[balmy condor]

You drunk?

[humble verge]

minor history joke

[warm vortex]

I get it

[humble verge]

since you mentioned austria

[warm vortex]

Cause he is poor

French

I mean

[balmy condor]

Same thing

[midnight mist]

??

[balmy condor]

Can’t be rich if you’re on strike all the time

Makes sense

Not working

[humble verge]

bro questioning being french with that pfp

[warm vortex]

Ok real talk

Baguettes

[balmy condor]

Real text actually

[warm vortex]

Fucking amazing

[humble verge]

omelette

du

fromage

un baguette

[warm vortex]

Like omg I can devour a baguette rn

[spice surge]

Is it one of your parents parents thats from germany whispyr

Or is it your parent

[balmy condor]

Haha hey…

[humble verge]

havent you claimed you already have a gf

[slate crown]

Man’s always on the grind you wouldn’t get it

[balmy condor]

We used to constantly get stopped at the airport when I was a kid because they thought I was getting trafficked cause my dad would put down a German passport, my mom would put down an Austrian passport, and they would put down my American passport

And the border patrol would tweak a little

[earnest remnant]

that happens to me

[spice surge]

[earnest remnant]

as well

[humble verge]

is this whispyr?

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-withrock-gif-27341353

You know it

[earnest remnant]

my dad drops a danish one, my mom a swedish one, and me a korean one

its too funny

[balmy condor]

We started using my German passport instead until I was old enough to be like a real human who could answer the police man’s questions

[humble verge]

now thats a solid slate for thinking its trafficking

[balmy condor]

And then it wasn’t an issue anymore

[humble verge]

honestly, a lot of orphans have been brought illegally to scandi countries from asia for years

[balmy condor]

Yeah, you’re talking to one hello

Why do you think he’s a raccoon

Bros literally a rat

[earnest remnant]

no im not

[humble verge]

[earnest remnant]

rats are rodents

raccoons are not

so fuck you

[balmy condor]

That’s exactly what a rat would say

[humble verge]

racoons be snooping into areas they shouldnt be fr fr

[earnest remnant]

nah they are meant to be there

they aint snooping

[humble verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297199640931991648/1310434269478391809/tuuh.gif

[warm vortex]

Ik this ain’t a raccoon

But look at him

[earnest remnant]

red panda

[warm vortex]

No he is orange

Yes ik that’s the species name

But it’s not red

And isn’t really a panda

[spice surge]

If they werent supposed to be in trash cans why is there so much tasty trash in there?

Makes perfect sense

[warm vortex]

It’s a mountain chicken situation really

[earnest remnant]

exactly

[warm vortex]

And if you don’t get that look it up

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-dumpsterracoon-gif-27182277

[balmy condor]

I mean if you look at old tv it’s all black and white, easy to mix up red and orange when they discovered red pandas

Probably all looked red back then ya know

[spice surge]

Which colour is a red onion

Its all just made up of lies

[balmy condor]

Same thing

All discovered before color was invented

[warm vortex]

It’s onion coloured

[warm vortex]

Yea

I’m so happy we can see colours now thanks to TV

[spice surge]

To me onion colour is the colour of a yellow onion

[warm vortex]

Gosh can’t imagine being born before colour

[spice surge]

(that clearly aint yellow either)

[balmy condor]

Real

In second grade some kid told me my mom was so old her memories are in black and white and I actually started weeping like full on wailing screams because I felt so bad for my mom

[humble verge]

NOW THATS JUST A CO

[balmy condor]

And when she picked me up from school I was still crying

[humble verge]

im not gonna say it

[balmy condor]

And she had to stop herself from dying of laughter

[warm vortex]

Coconut

[spice surge]

Thats some second grade kid type shit

[warm vortex]

I see you used to be smarter back then

[humble verge]

atleast youre not like this

[balmy condor]

I got bullied a lot

[wild thorn]

is ovi egg good

i have sacbrood already

[humble verge]

yes

i drop it for crystal for certain raid fights/dungs

i mean

the other way fuck

[wild thorn]

do you need to pay attention to the stacks at all

[humble verge]

well

if you wanna optimize

but i just let em run

[wild thorn]

yeah

[humble verge]

tho i am focusing on agil

since im already maxed on mastery

[spice surge]

Keep it below 20 stacks of either

[wild thorn]

is 60% max mastery

[humble verge]

well

im 64,45

which is 62 mastery under max true rating

thats with r2 mastery flask

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[humble verge]

im almost maxed out on mastery

[balmy condor]

I feel like I’m having a stroke

[humble verge]

is what im saying

[balmy condor]

What are these numbers

[humble verge]

you know

maybe i should just leave this discord

my stupidity is releasing

every time i write

[wild thorn]

i just use chaos flask everywhere

in m+ too

[balmy condor]

61 63 682 70 62

The numbers

[humble verge]

time to call thsi number

[balmy condor]

wtf is max true rating

[wild thorn]

sounds like a anime plot

[humble verge]

the true rating

before you start losing stats

[balmy condor]

What does that fucking mean bro

[humble verge]

your mother

[wild thorn]

wow

[balmy condor]

So it’s like

The stats you would have?

If the game didn’t work the way it works?

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/screw-you-guys-im-going-home-eric-cartman-south-park-s2e8-summer-sucks-gif-21569272

[balmy condor]

If stats didn’t dr I would have more stats

Good addon

[humble verge]

no

thats not even waht im saying

well im gonna go eat dinner

[balmy condor]

Bro I don’t know what true stat is

[wild thorn]

Bro lost to a theorycrafter in a debate

[balmy condor]

What does it mean

[wild thorn]

didnt even try

[humble verge]

i meant

true rating

sorry dawg

[balmy condor]

WHAT IS THAT

[humble verge]

this part

you are trolling me right whispyr

please

just stop

[balmy condor]

Yes isn’t that just this

[humble verge]

😭

YES

[balmy condor]

YOU JUST SAID NO

[humble verge]

but if you go over the true 21k rating

ij0wdjiajidowjoi

ok bro

i am gonna go eat dinner

and restart my brain as well

[wild thorn]

bro just say you dont know what it is

[humble verge]

no ido

but i just didnt understand the way whispyr formulated

his question

[balmy condor]

What do you do with this info

[humble verge]

i take it and stuff it in my as

ass

[balmy condor]

Like you have 1000 lost mastery

Or whatever

What does that do

[wild thorn]

does ct still remove the stack on tick

on ptr

[balmy condor]

No

That got fixed

[wild thorn]

is the set just ass

[balmy condor]

Yes

[wild thorn]

sub it is

[balmy condor]

Sub tier gonna get nuked soon

Opposite problem

[wild thorn]

damn

[balmy condor]

[static glacier]

@balmy condor is the dry shiv env forcing 10 stacks amp ont he env?

[midnight mist]

guys it wont be a sub tier again its getting nerfed

[balmy condor]

No

[static glacier]

im surprised ngl

[balmy condor]

I mean you already have 10 stacks of amp for like 90% of envenoms or something

[static glacier]

ye, outside of cds you do

in cds i think it's less since we're just spamming them every 2-3 globals

[iron carbon]

Don't think so cuz we apply more

[static glacier]

nsh

nah

[hollow river]

126%

[iron carbon]

Nah then

[balmy condor]

Sure but the whole idea of a dry shiv is that it isn’t in CDs?

[static glacier]

yes

[balmy condor]

Okay

[static glacier]

ty for answer

[hollow river]

[spice surge]

[static glacier]

might be a boss or two for sub tbh

with 90s timer

[earnest remnant]

outlaw tier

surely

[balmy condor]

Is there a 90s fight?

[earnest remnant]

after 9 years

[cedar iron]

why does it matter if youre playing outlaw anyway

[earnest remnant]

surely one

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[balmy condor]

I thought all the fights were 2 min

But idk

[static glacier]

no idea

im coping there might be a fight that works for sub timers

a little like how court did pre-sub rework

[balmy condor]

I don’t remember the fights well enough

[cedar iron]

some fights seem like 2min, but mostly it doesnt really matter. no dmg amps etc

[balmy condor]

Yeah

That’s what I’m remembering from testing

There’s like a couple of 2 min phase -> intermission type shit

[iron carbon]

Can you gimme explanation pls? I'm reading DM tooltip and I'm confused now

[balmy condor]

Dm creates a second amp poison

It doesn’t double it

Well it does double

Cause 2

But not double as in application rate

[iron carbon]

Ohn it doesn't stack with the initial one

[balmy condor]

It does stack

But the rate at which you’re applying is the same

[iron carbon]

So each time u put 1, you put 2 stacks

[balmy condor]

Yes but it’s 1 stack to each of the 2 amp poisons you have

And they then get consumed together

So you aren’t actually getting amp poison on more envenoms, you’re just getting it stronger on the ones that already proc

[midnight mist]

who

wont be me

[iron carbon]

So you consume 2x5 instead of 1x10 when you envenom ?

[balmy condor]

No

[iron carbon]

Okay, I'm dumb

[balmy condor]

You consume 2x10

There’s 2 poisons

Amp poison A and Amp poison B

You apply to both

And they both consume

The other way to think about it is that instead of 35% stronger env

It’s 70%

[iron carbon]

Okay, let's imagine we apply 1 amp by second out of cd

And we envenom every 10 sec, so we doing 10 stack envenom out of cd, right?

[balmy condor]

Yep

Every envenom would be 35% stronger

[iron carbon]

So under DM,
we apply 1 amp A poison and 1 amp B poison by second

[balmy condor]

Yep

[iron carbon]

And if we envenom every 5 sec, we still doing 10 stack envenom

[static glacier]

the double poison applies amp as a seperate stack

[balmy condor]

No

[static glacier]

you go from 0-20 the same, but you have 2 0-20s

[iron carbon]

🤯

[balmy condor]

You need 10 stacks to consume

So 5 seconds in

You have 5 on A

[iron carbon]

FCk forgot that part

[balmy condor]

And 5 on B

[iron carbon]

I see the point now

Can't consume every Envenom under cd cuz we spam too much

[balmy condor]

Ye

[manic quartz]

gud vid whispyr, hate the new shiv tech coz my stupid strong muscle memory

[iron carbon]

But when we consume, it's stronger

[balmy condor]

Yes

[iron carbon]

Sorry, i'm just a dumb guy that follow smart people when they say : Do it, it's better

[static glacier]

thats why during dm some envenoms are JUICED

thats amp

[balmy condor]

Honestly think it’s not gonna be too hard for people, if you played solo shiv it’s basically already that

[manic quartz]

yeah i play solo shiv in m+ but i still sometimes shiv before kb not at the end 😭

[balmy condor]

Not the worst thing ever

At least you pressed shiv

[static glacier]

you just trade ur start of naked kingsbane shiv for one in lingering

simple tbh

[manic quartz]

cant wait this to be the thing tho :3

but thats from court during dmg amp 😒

[balmy condor]

If you dm on pull on court you can already do this

Should line up

[manic quartz]

yeah, i was like wtf was that envenom 😄

[olive pawn]

do we need to play around TTK at all? as in should you try to maintain 2 stacks outside of cds?

[earnest flume]

i assume this is untrue, but will the enchanted runed crests from renown track update to the new ilvl band or stay at 619?

[balmy condor]

Nah just slam envenom freaky style

[balmy condor]

They will not update

[lavish geyser]

do we got cheat death for grim?

[olive pawn]

so no need to pool anymore either?

[balmy condor]

No

Pooling correctly is quite complicated and difficult for near no payoff

Not worth thinking about

Just close eyes and envenom

[olive pawn]

lmao kk thanks

[warm vortex]

I think of things too literally
If I did this I’d just pop auto tea after my first dm window
I’m dumb

[balmy condor]

Yes that’s fine

[warm vortex]

True

[brittle quail]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

God I’m hoping there isn’t too much coding in computer fornsics

[brittle quail]

what

[crimson zephyr]

After a big break I'm back at it. I always struggled to get my 2m dps in m+. Today I went to necro and I had 2.5m until like bridge after first boss. Died, then we wiped on 2nd boss, died 2-3 times more because I'm bad and barely timed the +10. End result: 1.9m. How? wtf? xD Suddendly my dmg increases by like 30% yet I died left and right.

[crimson zephyr]

I doubt there is unless you actually wanna build the tools for it.

[midnight mist]

@balmy condor , im at the start of a kb in st, I have a tea ready, I'm starving energy a bit, is it better to focus on not proccing that tea for the end of the kb or to proc it to get more envs off at the start and possibly ramping higher then

[lament timber]

If you were to pool how much energy should you aim for?

[gusty mirage]

crazier/bigger pulls probably

[subtle tundra]

almost like how big tanks pull and how much dps the others do and how the run goes influences your dps

[gusty mirage]

how the tank pulls the dungeon has a HUGE impact on your overall

[balmy condor]

More env

[gusty mirage]

also don't shit on yourself cause the group failed to blast through a +10

love yourself damnit

[lament timber]

Also how much damage other dps matters too, if theyre bursting hard and packs die fast that can be quite good for overall

[midnight mist]

That's kinda what I felt but if I do that I will almost always proc it at the start of kb anyway and basically never have a tea for the end

But I guess that doesn't matter much

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[lament timber]

Everyone get some water stay hydrated owo

[balmy condor]

Shouldn’t matter either way

[midnight mist]

Big man told me kb hit like a wet noodle anyway

[arctic socket]

Any new content yet?

[midnight mist]

I Wana eat noodles

[crimson zephyr]

the pulls wern't even crazy. I remember how I did some analyssi before my break and saw I waste 10% of CPs or so. So i tried to be aware of that but I think the main thing was really just using my CDs waaay more agresively, risking not having them for the bosses (managed to have them anyway)

[crimson zephyr]

hmm yeah everyone did 2m.

which is a first for me lol

[crimson zephyr]

but thanks actually never thought about that

[crimson zephyr]

I don't care if we time or not, I just play to improve. figured 10s a good spot to practice a bit more. I'm just a bit wowed because that's my best run - dmg wise. probably. yet it was kinda shit lol

[gusty mirage]

it be that way sometimes

usually the sketchiest runs end up in high overall cause the tank is just like FUCK IT WE BALL

throw in a few wipes cause of the overconfidence on their end

[marble hemlock]

the way to think about CDs, generally speaking ofc, is that even if you dont have them on pull, you will get them somewhere during the boss fight, since bosses tend to last around 2 minutes. its very rare for you to get 2 sets of CDs in on a single boss (unless youre pushing highkeys), so just sending on CD still gives you 1 set of 2mins every bossfight

[spice surge]

And even in high keys where they live longer, you dont need to have them on pull on every boss, sometimes using them on the trash mobs before is more helpful anyway

[marble hemlock]

ye

its very rare that getting 2 sets of CDs on a boss is worth, unless its one of those fuckers that just drains everyones defensives and you actually die if you dont kill it asap

[scarlet orbit]

is the raw shiv from the pins already a thing in live or next patch?

[royal lantern]

raw shiv?

[spice spire]

Video for the pookies

[golden loom]

might as well get into the rythm of it

[royal lantern]

that literally answers nothing

shiv outside of KB or what?

[spice surge]

Yes

Like it says in the pin

[spice spire]

You lose some dam

That’s it

[royal lantern]

my pins say nothing?

probs discord mobile once again

[golden loom]

@royal lantern

[spice surge]

#assassination message

[royal lantern]

thats literally not in the Pins on mobile lmao

[spice spire]

It is in mine

You gotta click it

Because they abbreviate

[royal lantern]

quake is so smart omg

[arctic socket]

Bring this goated command back

[arctic socket]

On mobile can confirm it’s there

[pure moth]

Yep. Its there

[crimson zephyr]

true - while I used my CDs quit a bit I always thought I need them ready on the boss as well. like at the start, so the packs before the boss I usually just let them off cd i.e. didnt use. so good point you make here thanks

[midnight mist]

!whispyr

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/666157779534217220/1337281226142126130/penits.gif

[spice spire]

Me when bro

[warm vortex]

True

[compact peak]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

Okay and?

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/im-gonna-touch-it-dj-hunts-djhuntsofficial-ill-try-to-touch-it-i-will-attempt-to-touch-it-gif-27222243

[sinful thicket]

What are the bis items to get crafted to 636 at? wrist and belt or is it worth making a jump to making the daggers if I have 6/6 hero splice n dice and blood kiss dags

[golden loom]

mainhand ilvl very very big upgrade

so if you have 626 dagger, probably best to make 636 dagger

[sinful thicket]

kk and what are the stats I should ask for? on it

[golden loom]

could sim it but probably cant go wrong with crit/mastery so missive of the peerless

[daring glen]

does anyone know does cloak work vs ring that closes in on mythic queen phase 3

[earnest remnant]

it doesent

[daring glen]

does cheat death save you

[earnest remnant]

you just wanna shadowstep over it

no

the dot lasts for long af

[daring glen]

how big is the platform does shadowstep reach the place where the ranged portalis

[earnest remnant]

you just step a mage

when he blinks it

[waxen field]

i need to know, during dm/kb if you have DN up and supercharged cps are you actually supposed to go up to 7 cp or not before envenom?

[golden loom]

supercharger doesnt change how you play so just force 7 yea

[waxen field]

that's why i thought... fml then ive been doing this wrong the entire patch

no wonder my envenoms weren't hitting as hard

[subtle tundra]

you havent played wrong

its marginally whatever

[spice spire]

I’d never

[shy axle]

"which then gives you 2 charges for your deathmark, which you then repeat the cycle. So opener/2min cds like normal, lingering darkness procs. " just to make sure the language barrier does not play a trick on me, you do use your shivs to cover the whole kingsbane at the pull and you get another shiv back for lingering or do you always just do m+ style for the last part of env and save the shiv for the big env? The wording is ambiguous for me

[golden loom]

yes during opener and all other 2 min cd windows you shiv as normal, its just the non-deathmark kingsbanes you do the 1 shiv thing for

[solar wyvern]

Is this optimization for current tier or next season?

[shy axle]

thank you

[golden loom]

apparently like 0.1-0.2 atm and 0.5% next season

so pesonally gonna try to do it to get used to it, idk sounds fun to do something atleast

[solar wyvern]

Go figure, kinda makes sense tho

First 7 seconds of kb kinda weak anyway

[golden loom]

I also live for big envenoms

[spice spire]

Call me big envenoms

[solar wyvern]

I'm not a number guy, just a push buttons in right order guy. Does Shiv and Lingering stack additively or multiplicative

[spice spire]

[solar wyvern]

Like is it a 60% buff or a 69% (nice) buff

[iron carbon]

I don't get where your 69% buff come from

[solar wyvern]

130%, increased by 30% is 169%

Tis why i ask I'm not a math dude haha

[iron carbon]

But I'm not a math guy, I'm just listening theorycrafter cause they're goated

[spice surge]

If you increase 100 by 30%, its 130

Now you increase 130 by 30% again, its 169

[solar wyvern]

Aha i was correct in my assumptions then

[gusty mirage]

you just wanted to type out 69 (same)

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-awesome-great-cool-gif-5393883

[solar wyvern]

Yes and also yes

[iron carbon]

Seems legit. But how do we know if it applies to the buffed value and not to the initial value?

[spice surge]

Because we looked at the numbers are did the math

[iron carbon]

And I love you for it

[rigid tide]

whats the best choice to pick from my vault?

[iron carbon]

Ask the robot

[subtle tundra]

we dont even know what track your items are

[rigid tide]

hero

[wild thorn]

that mog is a warcrime

[rigid tide]

i know

[wild thorn]

i mean you have a hero track helm and u have a myth track in the vault

[rigid tide]

yup

is sikran trinket better then helm?

[iron carbon]

SIM

[rigid tide]

already did

[subtle tundra]

probably will be better cause your trinket is shit.
but if you can farm m+ then dont take the trinket and take the head

[iron carbon]

Listen the robot then

Take stuff you sure you won't change soon

But we're 2 weeks before new season so who cares?

[rigid tide]

okay

ty

[hexed frost]

No assa fun detected in S2

Envenom 2: Electric Boogalo

All over again

Better stick to lightning larry (enhancement) now

[golden loom]

Someone needs to check in on Rupture Randy

[hexed frost]

Nice name for another rogue alt

[gritty laurel]

Envenom Eric is having the time of his life tho

[vast loom]

i prefer poison perry

[lavish geyser]

is this what ppl run? just found it in the fuu spreadsheet. kinda confused. it is just cause its techincally the highest simming build or?

[hexed frost]

I already have

AmbushAndy
SapSally
PoisonPete
CausticChris

[hexed frost]

[golden loom]

in what context

[lavish geyser]

ye idk I might be reading the spreadsheet wrong, cause im hella confused XD

[gritty laurel]

M+ is a lawless place, you can run a ton of builds that all fall within a few %s of each other

[lavish geyser]

I mean ig, but I have not seen a single assa play this build, before. havent even bothered to read the left side since I only play m+ with assa

[tired girder]

Has anyone ever tested using flying daggers over Sanguine Stratagem on broodtwister ovinax fight?

30% more dmg on fan of knives is pretty legit

[lavish geyser]

just from the fuu sheet, under dungeon slice

[buoyant herald]

What returns the highest dungeon slice sim isn’t necessarily what actually works best in keys

[gritty laurel]

yeah it's a weird one because of how strong iron wire is

[tired girder]

but idk what "increased effects" in the tooltip of sanguine stratagem mean. but obviously it says 5% increased dmg which is easily calculated

[lavish geyser]

depends on group though

yeah that is kinda what I meant. like is this just the highest simming build?

[earnest remnant]

it just shows highest simming

[tired girder]

but when the 5% finishing move dmg vs 30% fan of knives dmg, fan of knives talent seems to be better

[golden loom]

you would not replace 7 combo points in any cirucumstance

[subtle tundra]

Highest sim

[tired girder]

ah but i guess it would also effect caustic spatter dmg

[golden loom]

legit had to google what either of those things were, did not even remember its a choice node

[subtle tundra]

The additional combo point has many many implications

[tired girder]

was looking at the top log and did his CT dmg and envonem damage x 0.05, and multiplied his fan of knives dmg by 0.3, and fan of knives dmg is higher

[lavish geyser]

seems hard to spread rupture with this build ill try to sim vs my own build to see the diff, dont think it will be that different

[tired girder]

but ya i think i need to implement into castic as well

[earnest remnant]

caustic + envenom uptime

also more rupture dmg

[tired girder]

ya rupture on that fight tho is super negligble

only ever putting it on ovinax

but you are right tho

[spice surge]

A 7 cp finisher also does more than a 6cp finisher

Besides the 5%

[subtle tundra]

The 7th cp is a big deal

Idk why you're dismissing it

[golden loom]

also u are probably already overcapping a lot of the time in a fight you perma fan

[tired girder]

well the node only says 5% finisher dmg

[spice surge]

Ye

But its also one extra cp

[tired girder]

so assuming we're always at max cp

you'll get 5% more dmg on every finisher on that fight

[spice surge]

7 cp instead of 6 cp is 17% more damage

[tired girder]

which wont happen inbetween egs but still

[subtle tundra]

☹️

[tired girder]

ok

[subtle tundra]

You're making me sad

[tired girder]

if thats the calculation

then hard agree