assassination

[spice spire]

Which is uh not chill

So warm

[rotund oak]

she likes to hug the heat source

cat tech 101

[normal mist]

fine since i showed 1 i'll show all

yes the PS is on

another pseudo heater

[spice spire]

Wow what a cutie

[normal mist]

had to turn the lights on for this last one

[spice spire]

[lofty junco]

and IIRC someone mentioned that with sin u now need less pooling and shiv preperations?

[normal mist]

shiv is still the same

pooling in ST is basically dead

[lofty junco]

someone said 1 less shiv pooling

[spice spire]

Pooling in st in keys is less dead

Yeah

So in raid you have a lot more energy because of ttk + DS synergy

[lofty junco]

this

[spice spire]

In keys

You’ll have only one ahiv

And you just shiv last 8s of kb

And shove one in between

In AoE you’re flooded with energy so 0 pooling

[lofty junco]

so much more energy income now?

[spice spire]

In raid yes

In keys single target - no

So like

Bosses in keys

[lofty junco]

why only aoe and raids?

[spice spire]

Because in raid we have twist the knife and dashing scoundrel

[lofty junco]

and how many targets we talking about?

[spice spire]

Which ups our energy gain by a bit

[golden loom]

Raid ST has stuff like dashing scoundrel and blindside that helps with energy

[spice spire]

And aoe you have multiple sources being bled and poisoned for seemingly infinite energy

2-3 you’re pretty much going infinite with energy

Not actual infinite but you’ll need a few minutes to drop as long as you maintain bleeds

[lofty junco]

whats the raid easy mode? https://i.imgur.com/jjUYUVz.png

[golden loom]

its the other hero talent, only playable on 2 bosses (Kyveza and Sikran)

it doesnt have the mark gameplay so it has pretty much nothing to think about

[spice spire]

Raid st, cleave, and mythic plus

Pretty much hit what you need

And even then at and cleave can be combined into one and just swap ib and caustic iirc

[lofty junco]

if only 2 bosses, why is it called raid easys mode?

[spice spire]

Because there’s no thoughts

No mark gameplay

It is easy mode

[lofty junco]

and performance wise how big is the difference?

[golden loom]

basically even on those 2 bosses, and then much worse on anything thats not singletarget

[spice spire]

^!

[golden loom]

like pure full single target

would pretty much ignore fatebound tbh

[lofty junco]

so every boss we have to play a different build?

[golden loom]

nah

[spice spire]

Not really

[golden loom]

you switch 1 talent

[spice spire]

I play st deathstalker for almost everything and swap ib in for two bosses

Rest are caustic

[golden loom]

internal bleeding for single target, caustic spatter for bosses with aoe, and then on 1 mythic boss you run crimson tempest

[spice spire]

I also haven’t raided since like

The first week of December on my rogue

But yeah

[golden loom]

at this point you play internal bleeding on 4 or 5 bosses

[lofty junco]

so its basicly just 1 talent that u switch depending on boss?

[golden loom]

for example if you wanna do a 4/8 mythic clear, its totally fine to play the same full single target page on all of them

[spice spire]

Maybe you do but I’m different (I forget to swap)

[spice spire]

Ye

[shy creek]

playing rogue near ret paladin makes me sad

[lofty junco]

kk. maybe if i ahve time i gonna look at it tmrw

gonna have to construct this monster tmrw

my own monster kitchen^^

[normal mist]

you know we're getting older when even i got excited for seeing that

[lofty junco]

excited for what?^^

[normal mist]

that monster kitchen

it looks so good

and pratical

[royal lantern]

guys, you know that moment when you join a raid on a VERY undergeared alt

and then a guy joins that plays assa rogue

and you immediatly want to do more dmg then they do

[spice spire]

No because I don’t equate my value to my damage

[royal lantern]

my value is battle shout

[spice spire]

AMEN

Warrior

Wait

You have rallying

Surely that’s worth something now

[golden loom]

Is there a worse feeling global to press than rallying cry

[spice spire]

Crimson vial

[golden loom]

debateable

[spice spire]

Idk rallying may do something cv almost never does

And I’ll kiss you on the lips if you argue that one pal

[golden loom]

yeah like the only time I press cv is like running after rashanan

or ulgrax intermission

also press rallying there I guess

[spice spire]

Press rallying then too

Yeah

Easy

Helping the rogue survive too

[golden loom]

They should just make rallying into bloodlust tho

[spice spire]

True

[restive zealot]

hey guys, new to rogue, is there an easy way to tell if all targets im focusing have bleeds on them? or like an addon that shows it easier so i can tell if my bleeds are up

[ember mural]

Rallying let's me hit a bigger touch of death

[golden loom]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[restive zealot]

i have one of these installed its just i feel like i want to see it on top of all the targets head if im aoeing or something

[golden loom]

personally use whispyrs wa/plater which track rupture/garrote on name plates, and also tracks stuff like scent of blood stacks on the weakaura

[vast loom]

use one of the plater profiles

[restive zealot]

ah

[golden loom]

This is for example whispyrs plater

[restive zealot]

yea thats kinda what i was looking for tysm

[frozen glacier]

guys next week is the week they fix the assassination set right guys

[keen spruce]

Nah

They wait until the wowhead guides are done

Then rug pull changes 2 days before patch

[dawn seal]

😭

do u guys send cds on rashanan

on pull

[keen spruce]

Ofc

[sharp viper]

yes

[dawn seal]

but what if

he fucks u over

[keen spruce]

And just pray no web

[sharp viper]

if you get threads you are fucked

[dawn seal]

😭

[keen spruce]

Then get griefed

[dawn seal]

I DID

[keen spruce]

Or you do a strat

[dawn seal]

but I beat the other assa on dps

[keen spruce]

That lets you hit boss

[dawn seal]

[keen spruce]

With webs

[dawn seal]

[keen spruce]

Which no one does for some reason

[dawn seal]

teach me

[keen spruce]

U just take first webs to the right

Instead of back

[dawn seal]

[keen spruce]

So melee can stay in boss range

[dawn seal]

oh

huge

[keen spruce]

And you’re gating over them anyways

[dawn seal]

yeh

tbh true

[keen spruce]

But everyone has to

[dawn seal]

[keen spruce]

Or u clothes line your raid and die

[pure moth]

Taking tips for next raid 🤔

[runic hinge]

Don’t die

[spice spire]

Get the boss’s health to 0 before your health gets to 0

[gilded oasis]

this tip stinks

[spice spire]

God I should call her

Wait?

[gilded oasis]

yeah call your stinky tip

[spice surge]

If you have sudden demise you dont need to get the boss to 0

It will die before that

[spice spire]

Ma’am I bathe

Hello

[spice spire]

Fuck you’re right

Big demise forgetting the propaganda

Damn

[gilded oasis]

gonna send you back to demise training

[spice surge]

Bro accidently specced sudden dementia instead of sudden demise

[spice spire]

Sorry I’m too close to @gilded oasis In age

It’s bound to happen when you’re that old

[gilded oasis]

We better get back to the retirement home, its almost dinner time

c'mon grandpa

[spice spire]

Mf I’m like 5 years younger than you

(I think it’s actually 3)

[gilded oasis]

its like 2

[pure moth]

Too late

[spice spire]

Oh god please tell me it’s not only 2

[gilded oasis]

what were you? '92?

[spice spire]

Ye

[runic hinge]

Lmaoo old as hell

[spice spire]

Shut the fuck up you old bitch

[gilded oasis]

dude I found out some of our raiders are 40 and 42

[gilded oasis]

ok 3 years

[spice spire]

[gilded oasis]

you got lucky

[spice spire]

They’re your age

[spice spire]

God I wish

[humble verge]

@subtle tundra can you repost the bleedmaxxing build you had

nvm found some images

[dapper cradle]

Bumping this

Would be nice to have a giga bleed build for key boosting

[humble verge]

these two idk

i would rather go with KB tho

wait are they any different

no

i picked 2 different images wtf

[dapper cradle]

Based

[mighty crown]

[worldly sail]

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-james-honest-reaction-animated-gif-realwalkr-gif-13509794645644438874

[mighty crown]

one day this class will get updatesssss!!!!!!

dooming don’t mind me

[cinder bone]

Aren't we in a good spot overall?

[spice spire]

Exile is looking at 11.1

And PTR a bit of a shot show

[spice spire]

I too wish for updates but I do not wish to lose the feet bet with whispyr, so updates on Monday are ideal: ty for understanding

?

[mighty crown]

ptr is clown fiesta

but ye on live rogue is solid

[clever sapphire]

i mean, swap AP for KB

and the shiv thingy alent for blindside

[spice surge]

If you dont have ap youre not demisemaxxing

Prio damage? Boss damage? Nah bro

We Demisemaxxing

[balmy condor]

yoink

[fallow canopy]

[hollow river]

[runic hinge]

[hearty reef]

new pin!

[knotty radish]

Hello again weirdo sin players!

[balmy condor]

now they can't complain about no new pins

[runic hinge]

They will

[thorn thorn]

[drifting cloud]

:worldofwarcraft:

[marsh fjord]

When you don't run SS in the ST build doesnt that mean you typically garrote very late? like after the second shiv - envenom right?

[balmy condor]

no, still second gcd

[hexed matrix]

[marsh fjord]

doesnt this mean that you just multilate?

[balmy condor]

yes, ambush -> gar -> if you don't have shrouded you mut, if you do you rupture

[marsh fjord]

Oh it's a replacement of rupture.

[balmy condor]

3 gcds

[marsh fjord]

I read it like it was a replacement of garrote im stupid.

[balmy condor]

not the first, all good

[marsh fjord]

So can i ask then where would i rupture?

after the kingsbane window?

[balmy condor]

right after the mutilate

[marsh fjord]

ahh oke

[balmy condor]

the mutilate is there for the combo points

cause ambush -> gar leaves you at 4

[marsh fjord]

So without SS it's. Ambush - garrote - mut - rapture?

[balmy condor]

yep, or ambush - garrote - fok - rupture if you prefer that

[marsh fjord]

so basically this mut goes there right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[marsh fjord]

yeah oke

Thanks broski

[balmy condor]

np

[spice spire]

np

[marsh fjord]

Two more qeustions haha 😄

When i have a darkest night proc and have 5 combo points. do i mut for 1 cp? to get rid of the stack? or is that a waste?

[balmy condor]

when you have darkest night you force yourself to 7 with mut yes

[marsh fjord]

Even if i only need like 7 combo points

and i'm at like 6

i mut for 1

[balmy condor]

yes

[marsh fjord]

And how do i prevent TT using a charge if i want to keep one charge for my second KB window? just not go under the energy cap?

[balmy condor]

you ignore it and move on with your life

[marsh fjord]

hahahaha

hell yeah

[tidal laurel]

hey peeps. need help with some keys numbers. i was able to increase my dps by almost a half a mil since the last time i have asked. but im trying to figure out how to unlock the rest of the potential for my sins. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vnD3ZBJPC1xtTrgA?fight=1&type=damage-done i have tried to keep up with using my cd's as much as i can but i am still failing to get higher. anyone able to help?

[pastel cradle]

when you usually push higher keys, do you guys have good premades or do you depend on pugs?

[keen spruce]

i pretty much full pugged up to like the 14-15 range

then kind of started squading up with people

at least having a roster of people that you have a good repore with or trust

mostly just to fill groups more reliably

[keen spruce]

spatter should be your highest

but a wide margin

[balmy condor]

it is

0.5% ahead of CT, 2.5% ahead of envenom

looks totally fine for a 10

not running sudden demise is strange though for that key level

seemed okay though on first glance I didn't look too deep but I didn't really see anything wrong

[keen spruce]

ig idk how the breakdown shifts in 10s

oh yea ig u rite

my 10s have lower spatter too

[balmy condor]

We know a thing or two, cause we’ve seen a thing or two. We are farmers, ba ba ba ba bam bam bam

[keen spruce]

i think actually

not enough envenoms

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Dk2HPFBVGAq6cfvw?fight=9&type=damage-done&source=267

i had like 45 more envenom casts in a 5 minute faster run

[balmy condor]

Maybe I guess

[tidal laurel]

sorry was in a key for a friend. so in 10s, i should be using SD over TTK? it just feels weird. im looking at other logs and im like how can i get there or close to there for the top rogues in the 10s

[balmy condor]

You can consider ttk essentially pointless in aoe, especially in low keys like that

So if number is the goal

You’d be better off running basically anything else

[tall atlas]

Hello my love

I mwissed you uwu

[balmy condor]

Other than that, do the same key but 6-8 minutes faster

[tall atlas]

Also

[balmy condor]

Cause same damage in faster time = more dps

[tall atlas]

Are repairs more expensive like wtf

[tidal laurel]

i was thinking this too

[balmy condor]

But really trying to compare yourself in 10’s seems a bit pointless idk

M+ comparisons are already fucked just to begin with because there’s so much variance and so little logs

[tidal laurel]

im just trying to figure out how i can do better for my group to get the time faster

[balmy condor]

Yeah kinda rough idk

You’re not making major mistakes

[dapper cradle]

one of the biggest mistakes I notice that I'm making

in terms of key performance

is I accidentally log onto my rogue instead of my shaman

[balmy condor]

True actually

[ionic crater]

How should I sim for aoe/dungeons

ik every class and spec are different

I just can't find how I should sim my toon for sin

[runic hinge]

dungeon slice

[ionic crater]

Ight ty

[dapper cradle]

repore

https://tenor.com/view/spelling-mistake-minor-spelling-mistake-meme-gif-23650588

[keen spruce]

that wasn't minor

i simply gave up halfway through trying to remember how to spell it

[pure moth]

I'll start spelling it like that. We will get it added to the dictionary for ya

[keen spruce]

I edit messages for typos

not to cover my

if you can't handle me at my repore

you don't deserve me at my best

[tawdry halo]

love that this is still true

[dapper cradle]

honestly king shit

[dapper cradle]

made this for u

[sharp viper]

reporeed

[quasi sundial]

is it important that assassination gets a restealth between packs in m+?

or how do you bridge the gap between pulls without one

[buoyant herald]

yes, vanish/cry

[gilded oasis]

!restealth

damnit what is it

!stealth

ok I give up

never being helpful again

[runic hinge]

!restealths

maybe delete

[gilded oasis]

I wish someone would delete me

[runic hinge]

Hey that’s my line!

[spice spire]

Cease homie

[soft surge]

@midnight mist can you do any kind of player frame health smoothing? i feel like SUF updates hp slowly

than im used to with elvui anyway

[lofty junco]

since i ahve to install all of my addons again after returning, what besides dbm, weakaura and details was necessary for rogue/sin?

[balmy condor]

probably good to have a plater

[lofty junco]

btw does it amtter if i use wowup or curseforge? IIRC i used wowup before my break but dunno anymore

[lofty junco]

oh yeah a namesplate addon i forgor about that

[balmy condor]

wowup/curseforge are both fine

method raid tools probably nice to have too if you're into that

[lofty junco]

pawn was pointless right?

[balmy condor]

very pointless

simulationcraft addon to sim yourself

[lofty junco]

at least that i did remember correctly^^

[dawn heath]

what do we think about chinese cheaters

i was curious about how rogues timed 17 GB and what talents they used went into logs found something intresting

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1103960660527816746/1335187040521949268/image.png?ex=679f4155&is=679defd5&hm=8b38fa7bf3d2ab766203eb1a9e4d393a031dd1cffd67a843208e073d54b16562&

All the red - means they use every single exploited buff possible to complete the run

checked every single rogue run

[subtle tundra]

idc they are all chinese

they play another game

not the same as me

[bronze pike]

m+ is a meme

let them have their meme

[balmy condor]

what the fuck

why are these gooners playing follow the blood

[normal mist]

hidden tech

[static elm]

I just can't seem to get good dps..I saw crimson was quite broken, when i was using it. 30m damage while envenom did 9m damage. Broken broken, but, I switched to a mythic build once I hit 80..and I'm stuck at 230k dps mostly single target. Of course my level is 574..but still, I think my BM hunger doubled that. Any tips on rotation and keeping energy up?

[normal mist]

read the guides

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

you can't keep energy up

whats the thing

I made like 4 of these

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[balmy condor]

sure yeah

that works

[normal mist]

ahaha

theres also energy

[normal mist]

it's also hard to determine what dps you should be doing when you're basically naked

[static elm]

That's very true yes lol and yeah I noticed that internal bleeding and envenom on thos build are almost the same damage single target, same for rupture/dot. I think I over spam mutilate honestly, that a thing?

[normal mist]

if you are using finishers at 5 or more combo points you're doing it correctly

[balmy condor]

I actually can't tell for shit, their breakdowns aren't even like any better

I'm lost

follow the blood is legit anywhere between like 2-3% worse in aoe and dslice

mplussers being absolutely fucking cooked feral animals transcends cultural boundaries I guess

so beautiful

we may not speak the same language or eat the same food or even have the same form of government

but one constant remains across all of humanity

m+ players doing dumbfuck things

[static elm]

I try my best to do 7

[normal mist]

xDDD

[normal mist]

thats a mistake

[balmy condor]

really brings a tear to my eye

[static elm]

I see

[normal mist]

We only force 7 when we need to proc darkest night

[static elm]

?? What is darkest night lmao

[normal mist]

other wise, once you have 5 or more cps, you use a finisher

deathstalker capstone

[bronze pike]

secret tech?

[static elm]

Ah..I'm using the other

[bronze pike]

javbe you been hiding things from us? whispir?

[subtle tundra]

i tried follow the blood once

never again

never losing my builder crit in aoe again

[normal mist]

they are both along the same %s in pure ST, maybe fatebound is better, but reallistically everyfucking one plays deathstalker

[static elm]

Haha I see I see

[normal mist]

based

[bronze pike]

no

u link ME a sim

[subtle tundra]

bfa strikes again

[bronze pike]

show me

[balmy condor]

we can bring it back, cause it's follow the blood

[bronze pike]

that its not good

check mate 6 head

[balmy condor]

he's talking about fallow the blood

ezpz

[normal mist]

for real, if you're invested in learning, read one of the guides i linked above. We'll be able to answer other questions after you do it

[static elm]

Am reading rn lol

[balmy condor]

@sudden brook we're bringing it back, china rogues are taking a -2% choice node that does the same thing as the other option on the same choice node

history repeats itself

also shoutout to the 1.8% playing dashing scoundrel holy fuck that's based

[subtle tundra]

feel good gamers

[balmy condor]

I honestly respect it

if you're gonna play for single target just commit

pissbaby m+ players dropping sudden demise for ttk to maybe get a bit more boss damage

meanwhile giga chad rogues: me play raid build

so based

[bronze pike]

based honestly

[spice surge]

Atleast ttk is a notable ST gain

Dashing just isnt compared to sd

[balmy condor]

yah but think

about this

yeh?

[spice surge]

No spike

[bronze pike]

pick this guy

[spice surge]

ST focused

[balmy condor]

mplussers dropping spike already who cares

not like anything matters

just commit

[spice surge]

Dropping spike and being like "ye bro fuck ST ill go mass aoe" i could sortof buy

Dropping spike to take worse ST talents is just

[balmy condor]

but the energy

[dawn heath]

went through every single enhance shaman china log

therea are 79 GB's done of that region

guess how many cheated, timed and untimed runs

[balmy condor]

might be more fun to guess how much varas cares

but granted that's also much easier

[dawn heath]

74 out of the 79 chinese runs are cheated

they really have no shame

[blazing pumice]

where is that screenshot from whispyr

i feel like i'm being shamed

[balmy condor]

depends which one I just posted like 5

[blazing pumice]

i thought they were murlok but it looks diff

[balmy condor]

oh nah that's the raidbots window

I don't use any of that amalgamation shit

[subtle tundra]

idk im not pushing hard anyways

[balmy condor]

first screenshots are wcl

[subtle tundra]

im pushing but not competitive

like we barely play

[balmy condor]

then the rest are just me fuckin about in raidbots

[dawn heath]

it is just absolutely cringe

ruin the competetive intregrity of the game

blizzard doesnt care

just cheat if u are from china

just take 20% free damage

[balmy condor]

you're playing a game mode with infinite scaling on key levels that are easily like 6-8 key levels higher than anything blizzard is tuning for

there's not really much competitive integrity to begin with I'm ngl

[subtle tundra]

well whispyr your argument would be valid if there wasnt a literal tournament for money

to push those keys

[balmy condor]

yes and that tournament is the poster child of competitive integrity just like every other blizzard tournament

[brittle quail]

tbh in china there is account linked to 1 pc in 1 cybercafe they don't care about it its not theyr account its the cafe account

[balmy condor]

brb gonna watch gingi stand on a roof for 25 minutes on a plunderstorm tournament, it's a literal tournament for money

ggwp

[subtle tundra]

hey remember plaguefall

in tgp

[balmy condor]

you mean the fair and balanced competitive ranked m+ map?

why of course I do

[subtle tundra]

and the common denominators

gingi and exploits

[balmy condor]

well yes

welcome to echo

[dawn heath]

yeah i don't this completely fucked and for sure they wont do anything about it

i have a feeling if

US/EU cheats we will get banned

they wont ban china

cause everyone is doing it

[subtle tundra]

we dont get banned

they invalidate the title

[balmy condor]

yeh that's not happening lmao

[dawn heath]

people got banned in s4

[subtle tundra]

noone is getting banned

[dawn heath]

or well same thing

title removed

= punishment

i dont think they are gonna do that for china

they are just gonna let them cheat

[balmy condor]

there's NA/EU doing it too, you linked it yourself

[subtle tundra]

if i care about m+ id have a boomy and a dk and play all

[balmy condor]

it's really much simpler than that

[dawn heath]

i checked all runs

[balmy condor]

blizzard doesn't give a shit about m+ after like 10-12

[dawn heath]

94% of chinese logs are cheated i found one cheated log from EU/US in over 130 runs

[balmy condor]

they're not going to tune the game around 0.1% of the playerbase

it's just a waste of resources for them

[dawn heath]

could be more, people may just not log their runs

but EU/US barely cheats if at all

in china region everyone cheats

[balmy condor]

I get it

but also like that's been high end m+ for nearly a decade now

[dawn heath]

not really

there hasnt been cheatsl ike this in the game for all of DF

this is a 20% damage boost

its 2 key levels of damage

for free

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean more like degenerate shit occurring to time keys well past the point of anyone outside of top 200 giving a shit

blizzard has never really cared about any of this until it either:

• filters into the masses in the vault-key range where a big population exists
• augmentation

[subtle tundra]

And there's people who push with ret paladins which have - 2 keylevels debuff

[balmy condor]

cause it just doesn't make sense for them to give a fuck

they don't have time for it

[dawn heath]

in s4 SL they literally had people flagged for title removal and did investigation into cheating so im not sure about that

but radiosilence from blizzard about cheating is just really lame

[golden loom]

game industry is cost-cutting QA testers and fasttracking release schedules, very unfortunate combo

[dawn heath]

im sure people would be up in arms if they lost their hall of fame spot to some cheating morons exploiting boss kills

imagine if u could just bug kill queen ansurek instantly and people would fill up the hall of fame im sure all of the guilds that didnt cheat would appreciate that

[royal lantern]

the difference in that case us that its waaay more obvious tbh

[balmy condor]

there have been bugged kills

those get fixed cause it filtered down to like rank 600 guilds

[royal lantern]

btw aljan, if you wanna know how much they care sometimes

we had that plunderstorm event for 50k

peoe used a exploit ON STREAM and won cus of it, and they didnt care much, still got their 50k

[dawn heath]

oh right blizzard cares about raiders kekL

[balmy condor]

it just all cycles back to blizzard doesn't give a fuck if it's not impacting larger scale playerbase

[dawn heath]

shouldnt u just embrace cheating at that point

just say fuck it

no integrity

[bronze pike]

Nah

Cause unfun

[dawn heath]

i mean they dont care so why should i

[bronze pike]

Just cause there’s a way to cheat

Why would I do it

And make the game piss easy and unfun for me

[balmy condor]

I think the term is "morals"

[bronze pike]

That too

It’s just a silly think to go 1-100 about

China cheats so I’ll cheat too

[balmy condor]

like you don't cheat, because like, you don't want to

[bronze pike]

Is like peak tantrum behaviour

[royal lantern]

if you do that, chances are higher they actually do something

again, what whisp said, the difference is that high m+ is VERY locked away and many dont even know whats going in there

in raidin, if there is a exploit that a wr40guild uses, a wr 1200 will use it aswell

[dawn heath]

i dont kno about that

[bronze pike]

I do think blizzard should punish cheaters and exploiters

[dawn heath]

94% of china region is cheating

thats a big number

seems like its pretty well known

[royal lantern]

check chinese raid logs

lol

[bronze pike]

But whether or not they do is up to blizzard

[balmy condor]

pretty sure punishing in china is just difficult because of their publisher wall and all that shit

[bronze pike]

And frankly I don’t think blizzard: is gonna care about a key level only 10 people will get too

[balmy condor]

wow the thing I've said like 5 times in 10 minutes that's wild

[bronze pike]

It’s almost like

[dawn heath]

it is crazy to me how this is allowed

[bronze pike]

Its a obvious sentiment/observstion

[dawn heath]

people cheating in pvp and raiding is not allwoed

[royal lantern]

its not

[dawn heath]

why would keys be

[balmy condor]

I feel like we've just explained this

like a dozen times

[royal lantern]

its just that most dont notice that its a thing in the first place

thats all

[dawn heath]

i feel like your reasoning is poor

[balmy condor]

it doesn't matter if you feel like the reasoning is poor if it's exactly what's happening

[bronze pike]

Blizzard doesn’t really lurk in Warcraft logs

For info on the top .0001 % of keys

[subtle tundra]

im pretty sure they do

[bronze pike]

Do that shit in meme keys

[subtle tundra]

i think its stupid to say data analysts dont look at .01%

thats their job

[bronze pike]

Then that’ll probably get their attention more

[bronze pike]

Your assuming blizzard does a good job

[royal lantern]

if a "world first" raid kill is done withba hardcore exploit, its during the world first race with tens of thousand people watching and everyone will know

if a #1 key is done sith a exploit, its somewhere at 4am ina group wuth 5people.nobody ever heared about and will never know unless they check the leader board, and the amount of people that care about that leaderboard can be counted on 1hand

[balmy condor]

blizzard is company, company goal is make money, changing things cost money, people decide what gets attention for changes, there is not enough people running +17's to make it important enough to deserve attention

therefore, no attention

it's a very simple A->B

[blazing pumice]

they move on mythic raid bosses pretty quick

[dawn heath]

there is not enough peole that raids on a high end level to cater to world first raiding yet they do

your argument holds no water

[blazing pumice]

it's not like many people end up doing last boss of mythic

[royal lantern]

people watch it

[bronze pike]

You know world first is like

[dawn heath]

people watch keys and mdi/tgp too

[bronze pike]

The biggest streamed event for wow every tier right?

[royal lantern]

the only m+ related thing peiple watch is the MDI/great push

[balmy condor]

do you fucking apes realize that there are plenty of mythic raiders that will get to the end boss

[royal lantern]

not the highest keys done possible

[balmy condor]

they use RWF to tune and fix

it's beta testing for the wider community

[dawn heath]

hard disagree

[balmy condor]

I cannot believe we are this dense

[royal lantern]

hey, its alpha testing, the community is beta testing

[bronze pike]

The royal we

[dawn heath]

they make the bosses hard on purpose to tune it for the world first race to make it more fun for the viewer experience

[hollow river]

not very many tho tbr

[bronze pike]

I know people love keys

But rwf gets a shit ton more viewers than mdi and push

[hollow river]

i think the AWC has been getting more viewership than MDI/TGP these days

[dawn heath]

it doesnt

[hollow river]

which is insane

it does

[bronze pike]

The latter do get a good amount of views

[dawn heath]

AWC usually sits on 8k views

[bronze pike]

But mdi ends up being “who can kill shit the fastest in meme keys”

[balmy condor]

fuck AWC, how many people watch sodapoppin die to a level 40 quest mob on hardcore

[hollow river]

it's been closer to 15k the past AWC

while TGP is around 7k at times

[royal lantern]

ye, but tbf, that never really mattered much

like, cool queen is tuned for echo, while guilds are busy with heroic endboss and the first 3mythic, by the time they reach queen she got 20changes

[bronze pike]

And the great push ends up being who can do this key without being a dumb shit and showing they cheated

[royal lantern]

its like early vs late season keys

[hollow river]

[dawn heath]

ok and?

they need to tune it down obviously because otherwise every wow guild would get stuck and disband outside the world top 20

[subtle tundra]

well raid needs to have tuning cause there's vastly different skill levels of guilds and difficulty is static, m+ has infinite scaling which is balancing itself for all skill levels

[hollow river]

like 100k people watch RWF

[balmy condor]

varas please, we don't do logic here

[bronze pike]

I feel like your getting mad cause you overestimated how much people actually watch key related stuff

[balmy condor]

haven't you been reading

[subtle tundra]

fuck you man no i havent i just spit my shit

and my shit is good

[bronze pike]

Real

[balmy condor]

it is

but also like

[bronze pike]

I can post a sin fix

[balmy condor]

you're talking to a brick wall

[bronze pike]

To derail this poopy convo

If yall want

[royal lantern]

and keys historicaly always get nerfed over a season aswell

did we ever had a season where they didnt nerf keys 1-2 times?

[bronze pike]

I wish they nerf shammy

[dawn heath]

whispyr your arguments have been just i don't like keys therefor please don't do anything about it

[balmy condor]

featherweight shiv, shiv now has 7 charges

[bronze pike]

But that apparently would “end the season”

[bronze pike]

To op

Where’s the friction

[dawn heath]

you are so clearly biased here

i don't take anyhting you say seriously

[balmy condor]

?????????

[bronze pike]

That’s a take

Like holy shit

No one said that at all

[balmy condor]

I'm telling you a company wants to make money and your interpretation is "this guy doesn't like keys"

[hollow river]

Whispyr, I think its time.

[bronze pike]

He must retire

[subtle tundra]

i love when they nerf m+ way too late and my opinion is formed already

so i cba playing

[bronze pike]

I will take purple name in his place

I agr33 trickz

[balmy condor]

I just got owned with facts and logic

damn

my own personal bias of not liking keys is why china is allowed to cheat actually

[royal lantern]

facts and logic when emotions show up:

[balmy condor]

my apologies

I will ban all the cheaters

[hollow river]

It is time to admit that mplussers have become more unhinged than pvpers, Whispyr.

[bronze pike]

Whipsyr wouldn’t that make you the Chinese government?

[bronze pike]

Man that shit is obviously

[royal lantern]

we know that since SL

[dawn heath]

your take is always no one plays this mini game mobile mode outside +10s so therefor dont fix it

nothing should be done

[balmy condor]

that's not my take

[bronze pike]

I’ve met more deranged m+ers then pvpers

[subtle tundra]

i just dont care much cause im not playing 16hrs a day pushing r1 keys
and dungeons are dogshit
imagine city of threads being an actual m+ dungeon

[dawn heath]

which is just very untrue

many people play the game and push keys

even if they arent good enough to play 18+ keys

people are trying to push keys at all levels

[balmy condor]

but you don't want to fucking read a word I say cause your own head is so far up your ass

[subtle tundra]

literally one time we wiped on a pull after 2nd boss and some trash DESPAWNED. we literally didnt have all the % we should've

[bronze pike]

If that’s what you got from this entire convo

[dawn heath]

no you don't articulate yourself well

[hollow river]

[bronze pike]

Then you completely miss understood the point everyone was making

[dawn heath]

its always such negative push back

any time we talk about m+

[balmy condor]

I articulated my position in a dozen ways

[dawn heath]

you are so ignorant

its crazy

[balmy condor]

LISTEN

[bronze pike]

Actually true

[balmy condor]

READ

[bronze pike]

I’ve done so much grim butthole this season

[hollow river]

i haven't been here for 5 minutes and i know whispyr never said that

[balmy condor]

I want these dumbfucks banned just as much as you

[subtle tundra]

theres a patrol in the RP section that is LAGGED and appears to be further ahead than it is. it has depleted like 4-5 of our cities

[bronze pike]

That it made me vomit

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

you think I want there to be exploits in a game?

what the fuck is wrong with you

READ

READ MY WORDS

[bronze pike]

To hard

Send me text to speech

This season of keys was just misery to play

[subtle tundra]

can someone tell me why tempered in battle is an ability in the game

[hollow river]

wanting something and thinking blizzard will DO something are two different things

[subtle tundra]

why are we getting randomly killed

by NOTHING

[balmy condor]

I believe aljan, somewhere deep inside you there is still a shred of sanity that can understand

[dawn heath]

.

[balmy condor]

I want m+ to be competitive

[bronze pike]

Idk how they did it but they made a season worse than shadowlands season 2

[balmy condor]

I want m+ to be good

it's healthy for the game for m+ to be good

[subtle tundra]

i just cant take an m+ season seriously when its filled by so much random bullshit

[balmy condor]

exploiting is bad

[subtle tundra]

why is the mists stalker in the maze not targeting people

[balmy condor]

punishing cheaters is good

am I articulating it better

I can't make this more clear

[bronze pike]

It’s also true

[subtle tundra]

why does it sometimes do 1 shots and sometimes no damage

make the game good

then fix cheating

[bronze pike]

Blizzard often doesn’t tune for keys beyond 12

They should

[balmy condor]

the problem isn't that I hate m+ the problem is people don't push that high and blizzard doesn't tune for anything at the level you're bitching about

[bronze pike]

Would be nice

But they don’t

[balmy condor]

be mad at blizzard not me

[spice surge]

Passive dodge

[bronze pike]

I can parry that

Wait sorry

[subtle tundra]

i dont think its a dodge

it seems way too often

[bronze pike]

There

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

also what the fuck are you even trying to say with your stupid period, you got me bro me saying blizzard doesn't tune past vault keys is proof of me wanting m+ to be shit and cheaters to not get punished yep true real

[spice surge]

I mean we have like 15% dodge

[balmy condor]

that's just how the game works

[earnest remnant]

personally i really enjoy when the chinese parse run squads show up with a 30% cdr buff into the raid, but thats just me

[balmy condor]

what do you want me to say

blizzard tunes for vault keys

we know this

it's just the way the world spins

I can't tell you something that isn't happening

[dawn heath]

all i need to do is to search m+ of keys from whispyr and there are thousands of messages of you beeing condescending to m+ players. its just pointless to talk to you about these things when you are already so ignorant when it comes to all issues regarding m+

i just did there is a bunch

[balmy condor]

I'm condescending to m+ players because of dumbasses like you

not reading my words

[dawn heath]

yeah and you yap on this discord about beeing this all mighty beeing with so much knowledge ive watched you raid you are not even good at the game get off your high horse

[balmy condor]

maybe if you took the time to actually understand what I'm saying instead of just slapping a label onto me and shoving everything to the side because "he no m+"

you might actually agree

[dawn heath]

extremely mediocre

[hollow river]

if only we could watch them on bilibili or something would be entertaining

[dawn heath]

player

[balmy condor]

but that's not possible

who the fuck said I was good

I'm a shitter

[spice surge]

And you humblebrag with clips of yourself playing poorly as well, perhaps calm down a bit with the flame bud

[balmy condor]

this is well known

I'm just the number cruncher and I don't pretend to be more than that lmao

[earnest remnant]

was about to say, dont think ive ever seen whispyr say that he's a god at the game

[bronze pike]

Aljan

You act like your good at sin

[dawn heath]

i do? i wasnt aware

my take is usually that im trash at this class

[bronze pike]

When in reality you have a shit ton of time to play top end keys

Like idk what your trying to say here

[dawn heath]

.

i mean this is barely a month ago

where did this take come from?

[subtle tundra]

i just suck in general

[bronze pike]

Like stop throwing a shit fit cause people don’t share your same opinion about meme game mode that blizzard clearly also doesn’t give a shit about

[subtle tundra]

like fat cock

[bronze pike]

Fat vagaima

[normal mist]

We know homie, we support you

[earnest remnant]

we know that but you decent at rogue at the same time

[balmy condor]

I mean like if you're gonna hate me, at least hate me for something real man

tell me I'm rude or something

at least I can be like yeah he's right

[desert crest]

This guy is rude

i got him

[bronze pike]

Like idk why your trying to humble brag about “skill” by trying to bring others down

Why bring it up in general

Absolute clown shit

[earnest remnant]

L + german descend

[balmy condor]

bro you're danish

[earnest remnant]

no im not

i just live there

[balmy condor]

that counts

[bronze pike]

There’s a bear for this

Hold on

[subtle tundra]

?!?!??!?!

[balmy condor]

see this would actually hurt my feelings

[normal mist]

Like you have any

[bronze pike]

He has feelings

[earnest remnant]

the white monsters drown it out

[bronze pike]

For me

[normal mist]

(he does he's actually pretty cute)

[bronze pike]

[balmy condor]

instead of trying to come up with some weird fantasy land where I'm an ego fueled maniac flexing how good I am at playing a game I raid log for the last 6 years

[dawn heath]

we play keys 3-6 hours a week its less than most raiders raid

[obtuse robin]

[bronze pike]

[obtuse robin]

[winged quail]

Dreadblades in name Outlaw main detected, containment breach in progress

[bronze pike]

Idk what else you want people to say

[balmy condor]

black and blacktimus in the same chat

which one of you is the real one

[winged quail]

Not me

[balmy condor]

oh ok

[subtle tundra]

fake ass

[bronze pike]

We gave you the legit explanation and you don’t want to believe it and in fact you considered it an attack. So in response you lashed out and it backfired hard

Masterful gambit

Sorry blizzard doesn’t care about m+ I guess?

[balmy condor]

speaking of, is gambit coming to marvel rivals

[bronze pike]

I’m the pet outlaw

[bronze pike]

I wanted Charles Xavier

I wanted to heal people while on a wheelchair

[balmy condor]

yeah that would be a banger too

[bronze pike]

[hollow river]

wait, don't you play paladin already?

hol up

[bronze pike]

Fuck

[balmy condor]

[bronze pike]

Shit I didn’t realize that

[balmy condor]

gottem jesus

[winged quail]

I want his wheelchair to have like magnetic wheels so he can wheel around on walls like Spider-Man

[bronze pike]

God damnit

[hollow river]

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/960550091305934920.webp?size=96&animated=true

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

oh fuck

[bronze pike]

Hulk is fun

[subtle tundra]

i forgot

people were saying youre bad and shit

[bronze pike]

But I realize that good hulks don’t exist

[subtle tundra]

but im smart

i shouldve said

ad hominem

[bronze pike]

So I must give up on my healing dreams and become a good hulk

[subtle tundra]

insults dont work on me nowadays i have knowledge

[bronze pike]

[balmy condor]

more like ad hominahominahominahomina

https://tenor.com/view/eyes-popping-surprised-wow-popping-eyes-crush-gif-18120881

[spice surge]

Ad 00:12/01:34

Unskippable ofc

[balmy condor]

[dawn seal]

YOO

NEW CPU INSTALLED

TIME TO TEST THIS BAD BOI

[balmy condor]

shouldn't it be a good boy

[dawn seal]

that is true

[balmy condor]

gl

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/drifter-destiny2-ding-tag-flick-gif-16330328

DID SOMEONE SAY GAMBIT

[lofty junco]

btw found a old screenshot. what weakaura is that?

and anyone knows if thats all elvui for the ui?

[balmy condor]

wa's are luxthos I think

all the UI stuff is elvui

that ugly ass list on the left is a weakaura

[lofty junco]

yeah that i know^^ hopefully i won't need that for TWW^^

[subtle tundra]

that is not luxthos

[balmy condor]

is it not

[subtle tundra]

i dont think so...

i use them...

[balmy condor]

I see big piss yellow energy bar and instantly think luxthos

[subtle tundra]

piss on my ass

sexual style

nvm sorry

that was not necessary for me to say

ill be better

[balmy condor]

I mean I'll do it

[earnest remnant]

looks like a forked luxthos

[subtle tundra]

luxthos is so bad

but idc

i dont even have ttk support

(i havent updated the wa)

[lofty junco]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[shy axle]

devlin gang unite

[radiant raven]

gifs you can hear

[static elm]

reading your guides and doing my rotation correctly got me up to 800k dps single target, and i dont run out of energy thanks to rapture/G

🙂

from 200k to 800k woo

citrines are 23% of my damn dps tho which is kind weird xD

[normal mist]

Good job man, keep going

[balmy condor]

yeh that's probably an ilvl issue

[static elm]

ilvl 574 rn ya

[balmy condor]

yeh

ring is just 100 ilvl higher than the rest of your gear

that'll do it

[tall saffron]

yo can anyone please point me some of my mistakes from this log?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LnTmx2RMA7rbZDpG?fight=35&type=damage-done

[balmy condor]

doesn't look like you're using your clear the witness proc

this kinda sucks a lot

and then you didn't get your 4min cds

yeh idk, looks fine aside from some minor mistakes

gonna be hard to parse a 4:30 min rashanan with no caustic this late in the tier

kinda have to either kill it in like 3-ish or kill it slow and find some add damage

[lofty junco]

well this looks like luxthos to me. thank you^^

[balmy condor]

np

[lofty junco]

and got the class bar fixed. so now at least the core UI is done https://i.imgur.com/yvsiAh3.jpeg

[lofty junco]

btw do we have a leveling tree or just pick m+ for leveling and open world?

[balmy condor]

m+ works fine yeah

there's not really much to do about open world, rogue is miserable during leveling and open world while you're undergeared, and once you're geared the open world just falls over anyway

so it's just kind of a disaster

[royal lantern]

TRANSMAT FIRERING

[radiant raven]

Who's better than you? Nobody! You killed everyone else.

I miss gambit..

[lofty junco]

any clickable poison reminder wa?

[tall saffron]

thanks, i kinda forgot clear the witness exist xdd

[hollow river]

I pasted a string for one in #pvp yesterday

Lemme see if I can find it

[tall atlas]

I go to sleep and suddenly the water sports begin

[hollow river]

#pvp message

There

[tall atlas]

Can’t believe I’m being left out again

[balmy condor]

you snooze you lose

[tall atlas]

Literally

[lofty junco]

wait...sin doesn't have shadowdance anymore?

[balmy condor]

no

[lofty junco]

was taken back why one macro doesn't work anymore and jsut saw no shadowdance anymore on sin

[royal lantern]

@slate crown remember my "i bought 150 tinderboxes by accident" thing from yesterday

sold them all and actually made 20k profit

accidental AH flipping

[radiant raven]

[grand trail]

nice pinned comment 😄

[lofty junco]

sbs is now mandatory?

for m+ at least

[balmy condor]

no

[lofty junco]

cause both hybrid and fate use sbs

[balmy condor]

its recommended, not mandatory though

plenty of people play without it

the tree is pretty flexible

[lofty junco]

so i could just put that one point into anything else?

[balmy condor]

if you get rid of bone spike you would also get rid of doomblade

since doomblade is giga dogshit

sbs is essentially a 2 point talent

[cerulean walrus]

Homeboy doesn’t realize that SBS is automatic on rupture now (probably)

[lofty junco]

it is?

[cerulean walrus]

Called it

[balmy condor]

who reads talents anyway

[cerulean walrus]

Read your talents

Please

[supple spindle]

yeah no

im not reading even my tcg cards

what the fuck does island from mtg do

[lofty junco]

hey i only returned yesterday night

then did they change that? not sure if we had that rupture application from sbs in DF

[balmy condor]

then I guess they changed it this expansion

[supple spindle]

i would change clothes in front of you btw

respectfully

[balmy condor]

[lofty junco]

btw does IC then put sbs on 3 targets?

[balmy condor]

yes

[lofty junco]

alright problem solved then^^

[cerulean walrus]

[lofty junco]

I'm still in the process of looking up any other weakaura and addon that i ahve to install AGAIN...

[daring glen]

how does supercharger work exactly

so it gives 3 combo points but do finishers go over 7?

[balmy condor]

yes

its whatever you cast +3

[daring glen]

so if i have supercharger + 7 cp does it count as 10

[balmy condor]

yep

7 + 3 is 10

math checks out

[daring glen]

yeah i didnt know if it caps on like 8 or something

[hoary fulcrum]

Prob been asked, PTR is a clown show, we have any idea how rogue (sin) is lookin for 11.1? Sin still gonna be good?

[balmy condor]

nah that would be super jank if it didn't go past 7 lmao

[balmy condor]

ask in 5 weeks when things actually get tuned

[hoary fulcrum]

Ya, that smakes way more sense lol

BUT you'll have a pin at that time =]

[balmy condor]

most likely yes

[daring glen]

so on how much cp is it worth envenoming on with supercharger

im quessing with darkest knight it should be 7

[balmy condor]

the normal amounts

you don't play around supercharger

[daring glen]

so do you use on 2cp just to proc mark or build to 5

[balmy condor]

build to 5

you don't change anything

if you were to finish on 5 like normal, you still go to 5