:tf:
#assassination
humble verge
royal lantern
why
where do you guys get these "X spec looks good/bad!" informations from when they did almost 0 things yet, and rogue didnt appear in patchnotes at all 
gloomy heart
Im asking so far with what info we do have
royal lantern
Im asking so far with what info we do have
well
0 rogue changes at all
assa tier set looks really bad
sub tier set looks strong number wise but atm will lead to some really degen gameplay
gloomy heart
DOOOM
royal lantern
thats all we have
proven jasper
Rupture only outside dance 
spice spire
Tier set wasn’t horrendous in the dungeon.
Just very feast or famine which is like obviously not great
royal lantern
and sub set is "dont use eviscerate outside of dance"
sub is always catching L's, even if its the winner
proven jasper
spice surge
sub is always catching L's, even if its the winner
Assa gets echoing reprimand fixed, sub gets a bug thats more annoying and worse numerically from the same fix
The classic
spice spire
<:joe_stare:1204117522195021824>
I’m a hater
proven jasper
known
royal lantern
Assa gets echoing reprimand fixed, sub gets a bug thats more annoying and worse ...
what 
spice surge
Ye when they fixed echoing
They made it so you cant trigger a mark with darkest night up
royal lantern
ye i remember
spice surge
Which feels awful as sub
royal lantern
i like how instead of giving us a way to apply the mark outside of stealth
with like, Rupture
they needed to make this weird af fix on echoing
which created even more weird situations
spice surge
Because if that bug isnt there you can guarantee 2 darkest nights per shadow dance with proper play, but now instead you just sometimes get too many procs and end up scuffing your timings because you cant use sectech when you want to 
And cant really play around it more than that
spice spire
and I guarantee you all 8 people that play sub are pissed
(I’m sorry you don’t deserve that)
gentle rover
If those kids could read they would be very upset
fallow canopy
and I guarantee you all 8 people that play sub are pissed
A lot of people here are prob joining their ranks next season so dont burn our bridges dog
radiant raven
Hell yeah, a lot more Sub rogues. Dozens of us!
spice spire
A lot of people here are prob joining their ranks next season so dont burn our b...
I’m an insane hater
They just gotta learn to live with it
I’ll clown my own spec I ain’t above it
spice surge
Stay small hater
spice spire
But sub historically doesn’t have many dedicated players (assassin doesn’t either)
spice surge
But sub historically doesn’t have many dedicated players (assassin doesn’t eithe...
Nobody plays rogue in general anyway
spice spire
Stay small hater
Mf I get big when I think of you so don’t sass me again eleem or I’ll eat that shitter like an apple fritter
spice spire
Nobody plays rogue in general anyway <:Cheesin:1004094333458317332>
Outlaw has the lions share of “dedicated players” though
spice surge
Outlaw has the lions share of “dedicated players” though
As we know rogue only has two specs, Assa and sub 
spice spire
So true bestie
snow quest
Maybe it could be three if outlaw could use daggers in mh
royal lantern
Outlaw has the lions share of “dedicated players” though
you sure? all i see is them complaining about playing other stuff
snow quest
This season for sure a lot of the usual outlaw mains played other specs
fallow canopy
Outlaw has the lions share of “dedicated players” though
but they are playing outlaw tho so W for us
winged sun
quake
spice spire
subtle tundra
i need to get touched......
royal lantern
spice surge
solid venture
didnt even get aug buffs until p3 smh my head
sinful citrus
what key level should you swap to elusiveness or should that just be a lock in talent anyway in m+
spice surge
Generally it just depends on what key/season it is. I'd recommend to swap once you literally die without it
This season doesnt actually have a lot of things where feint doesnt work by itself
atomic creek
Is there any difference at all between using the ascension weapon in MH or OH?
subtle tundra
if you plan on pushing id recommend playing it regardless to get used to using it
atomic creek
Aight, ty
sinful citrus
ah ok thanks ill prob just start running it anyway to get used to it i got gunned down in a 12 siege
spice surge
You have cloak and evasion for it as well
sinful citrus
yeah the problem in question waas really the tank leaving melee range on the ship boss
left loom
is there significant advantage to keep CDs till amp phase than pull on silken? I saw both approaches on logs
drifting cloud
it depends on your color and kill timer
but the boss has like negative dps requirement thesedays anyways
autumn remnant
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
fringe crater
On queen mythic: for some reason I cannot shadowstep the wrest on the second platform, is there a reason for this?
On the first platform I can perfectly shadowstep the guardian, on second platform I can't
royal lantern
it can be a bit weird if you try to shadowstep while not ON the platform anymore
radiant osprey
question
royal lantern
just walk a couple steps back at 2 seconds and step immediatly to make sure you dont fall down
radiant osprey
how come sometimes when i try to clear a stack of deathstalkers with 5 or more combos, it doesnt go away?
it stays at 3
vagrant brook
you probably ambushed a target that already had a mark
radiant osprey
im not tho :(
i thought maybe im like misclicking my envenom on another target but im just not 😭
spice surge
Or you have darkest night active
Since that for some bugged reason prevents you from consuming marks
vagrant brook
ye fuck that's what I meant, you probably applied a mark with ambush while your darkest night is active
so it wont allow you to consume the stacks unless you apply a new mark with darkest night
fringe crater
it can be a bit weird if you try to shadowstep while not ON the platform anymore
Ye that could very well explain it as the guy on the first platform is far away and the one on platform 2 is close to the edge when i step for wrest
that's annoying
pathing issue, I suppose
past belfry
We don’t have anything for this weeks affix right?
royal lantern
which one is it
vagrant brook
now double it and give it to the next boss
nah next boss is praying not to get a KB parry on pull
misty bough
lmao she can do that?
past belfry
Cc orbs
vagrant brook
ye if you position yourself badly due to the first poison pools
vagrant brook
We don’t have anything for this weeks affix right?
AoE blind on a mob near the orbs
misty bough
any wing buffet's?
radiant osprey
Since that for some bugged reason prevents you from consuming marks
ah yep. thats it. just tried it
so its just a bug then?
so ig make sure i consume my darkest night then apply deathstalker?
spice surge
Darkest night applies it
marsh storm
Stupid question perhaps, but can you soak the Volatile Spikes from EDNA with CoS?
balmy condor
No
marsh storm
nice, good to know before i tank my key
royal lantern
8%
aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh
and we wipe cus adds spawned and the tanks fucking SPRINTED INTO THEM
runic hinge
Raiding is fun
rotund oak
pastel cradle
hey i have a question on caustic spatter, im not sure how to articulate it correctly so just bear with me.
In simple terms, does higher mastery mean more damage with Caustic Spatter? or would a high Critical Strike % would mean more dmg? Since I assume mastery would be your poison dmg, and Crit is just your burst?
balmy condor
Shift+W bind is crazy
Ctrl+W for a button we never us is diabolical honestly
balmy condor
hey i have a question on caustic spatter, im not sure how to articulate it corre...
Caustic spatter is a residual, meaning it does damage in relation to the damage you originally dealt, and it cannot crit, since that would double crit.
If you have more mastery or more crit, your envenoms for example would hit harder and crit more, which then obviously means more envenom damage, and that’s more caustic damage
slate crown
agihposagdioasüg
What'd you call me?
balmy condor
But caustic damage doesn’t double dip anything cause that would be very obviously insane
pastel cradle
got it thanks, for context i crafted a necklace and ring to increase my ilvl which resulted a change in stats crit: 27% to 32% and Mast: 51% to 48%
balmy condor
My eyes glazed over
royal lantern
i thought u were talking german here
its german for "you all are cute and outlaw is stinky"
strange python
Ctrl+W for a button we never us is diabolical honestly
I wouldn’t know I’ve never played rogue
coral ibex
particular stats dont matter
strange python
Thinking about joining the assassination club coming from mage
thorn thorn
Outlaw very stinky
balmy condor
strange python
Just seeing how you freaks interact
thorn thorn
rotund oak
Thinking about joining the assassination club coming from mage
are you completely insane?
leaving mage for sin?
pure moth
Welcome
balmy condor
I wouldn’t know I’ve never played rogue
Yeh that poisoned knife he put on there is 1/11th the damage of a regular generator for half the combo points and it costs nearly the same energy, on a spec where downtime while waiting on energy is normal
thorn thorn
Most class discords have freaks
balmy condor
So it’s just an absolute waste
strange python
There’s definitely more interaction here
Arcane mage chat has about 5 people in it
slate crown
https://imgur.com/a/iPR5gaB
thorn thorn
Best way to get people to chat is to say something blatantly incorrect
rotund oak
I’ve entered the freak zone
Freak zone is theoutlaw channel(there are many dhs hiding there as well,practically a psychiatric clinic)
balmy condor
Only interaction we got around here is my tongue and @spice spire’s asshole
coral ibex
thats a wild dry ping
radiant raven
https://imgur.com/a/iPR5gaB
I like this gif a lot. Comedy M+ deaths are the best.
golden loom
Best way to get people to chat is to say something blatantly incorrect
Whats the haste requirement for sin?
thorn thorn
47%
balmy condor
thats a wild dry ping
He’s used to it dry
strange python
Freak zone is theoutlaw channel(there are many dhs hiding there as well,practica...
Stat prio > ilvl
coral ibex
balmy condor
https://tenor.com/view/ninomae-inanis-takodachi-tako-no-horni-horni-gif-26104396
Nah that won’t work
I ain’t doing it out of horny, I’m doing it out of principle
slate crown
Nah that won’t work
balmy condor
It’s about sending a message
rotund oak
Stat prio > ilvl
cringed rly hard on this
slate crown
@spice spire did you get the message?
thorn thorn
I like this gif a lot. Comedy M+ deaths are the best.
I have many stockpiled
slate crown
strange python
coral ibex
sap thought a message in #assassination was for real, was a fool
rotund oak
Get jebaited idiot
im old and gullible 
balmy condor
Haha old
radiant raven
I have many stockpiled
Have you got the Grim Batol paladin tank one where he gets bonked and falls over? It's the best this season, imo.
balmy condor
radiant raven
It's chefs kiss
thorn thorn
What if we all decided to @ toxicquake with out of context messages
rotund oak
<:Oldge:950770623028818000>
turned 40 (3 days ago) 
balmy condor
What if we all decided to @ toxicquake with out of context messages
He would love it probably, bro loves multiple dudes at once
broken chasm
can i enable raid abilities for trash?
balmy condor
turned 40 (3 days ago) <:Oldge:938972572983377970> <:Oldge:938972572983377970...
Shit you really are old, happy birthday
rotund oak
Shit you really are old, happy birthday
ty ❤️
balmy condor
Those are fortnite terms no?
coral ibex
golden loom
I have a lot of haste on my crafted siphoning stiletto so using it over raid daggers even if its a 3 ilvl loss
coral ibex
radiant raven
Yeees.
strange python
Those are fortnite terms no?
No
thorn thorn
https://i.redd.it/otk4cwzoqh3e1.gif
coral ibex
lmfao
misty bough
Shift+W bind is crazy
no
radiant raven
They assassinated that DK.
thorn thorn
Look at the DH
radiant raven
Thought about fel charge, died.
thorn thorn
Its either gonna be the most well written document ever or make me wanna cringe my eyes out
rotund oak
my take is that its something structured
balmy condor
Okay so you gotta prep your poisons when you’re on spawn island cause you gotta know where you’re dropping beforehand, can’t just jump blind ya know, so put on your deadly and your amp poisons
Then the moment you drop from the battle bus, you have to ambush first thing you do, cause it’ll set you up for the rest of the game with big bonuses.
If you’re against 1 dude get some wood from trees and then use your wood to tower.
If you’re against a full squad that’s when you bust out the bricks for cover since they’re gonna last longer and help you out more. Every 10 seconds though make sure you just platform with some wood so you keep gaining height
You always wanna maintain rupture and garrote, that’s your bread and butter type shit, you wouldn’t go into the storm without bandies and minis, same shit here
When you’re in a big fight, you want to throw your clingers for huge damage, shiv Kingsbane and deathmark, vanish is like padding to reposition super good when you’re breaking a tower with your clingers
After that some like low priority stuff but you wanna drink your chugs obviously, gotta keep the energy up, best done when you’re using your clingers, and otherwise if you’re gonna wipe a squad you shouldn’t hold back, use all your nades together at the same time to make sure you get a dub
Hope it helps
thorn thorn
rotund oak
yup,gotcha!
radiant raven
I'm ready to play Assassination in Plunderstorm now.
soft surge
@balmy condor can you make them have darkest night cause the next rupture and crimson tempest to do what envom does too
balmy condor
That sounds terrible why would you even suggest bringing back snapshotting
spice spire
dog are you good
balmy condor
No
balmy condor
I just explained rotation in Fortnite terms and then got flash banged by rupture snapshot in 2025
royal lantern
JESUS
rotund oak
dog are you good
balmy condor
I am not good
golden loom
At what point in the rotation do you dance and emote tho?
thorn thorn
I just explained rotation in Fortnite terms and then got flash banged by rupture...
Next up in 37 minutes is an auto tea malder
thorn thorn
balmy condor
Next up in 37 minutes is an auto tea malder
It’s like a train schedule but all the trains go to my nightmares
spice spire
beep
golden loom
Blindside haters rise up, let me muttilate!!
soft surge
so we are stuck with deathstalker as it is untill the end of time
thorn thorn
The only real hate necessary is for Caustic Spatter
balmy condor
so we are stuck with deathstalker as it is untill the end of time
Actually dunno what you are talking about
vivid mulch
balmy condor
Hero talents are evergreen, it’ll get changes
vivid mulch
HUH
soft surge
all this https://i.imgur.com/AugnmoP.png
why cant it be CT and rupture aswell as envenom https://i.imgur.com/FMDy7EZ.png
balmy condor
Because that would be bleed snapshotting and no one wants that
soft surge
as a legion baby i dont really know what snapshotting is
ember mural
I just explained rotation in Fortnite terms and then got flash banged by rupture...
casting rupture is a dps loss
thorn thorn
You "snapshot" all buffs onto a DoT and it keeps that buff until it expires or is reapplied
balmy condor
You’re turning everything into improved garrote
thorn thorn
Straight up ancient tech cuz 99% of things in woW nowadays update dynamically
golden loom
Feral still snapshots right?
thorn thorn
Yep
balmy condor
You’d have to track which rupture on which target is empowered and if your ct is empowered
balmy condor
And then you gotta make sure you’re not overriding those
You’re just adding a billion levels of complexity for no reason
Also how would it even work with CT
The mark just applies to whatever you’re targeting when you press CT?
As if managing the mark wasn’t bad enough already
You’re tabbing through an aoe pack for ruptures oop hold on that one’s empowered can’t refresh that
Have to track empowered bleeds on your plater or some shit with a weakaura that hooks into it cause base UI is never going to be able to be that complex
strange python
Okay so you gotta prep your poisons when you’re on spawn island cause you gotta ...
Ahahahhahaha
That is perfect thank you
I’m going to be cranking 90s
balmy condor
Huge
strange python
Do you have to tab target the whole pack and apply dots to each
balmy condor
!carnage
prisma monolithBOT
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
golden loom
Would be crazy to target a pack in the distance, proc darkest night with CT, mob gets marked and pulls
balmy condor
Would be crazy to target a pack in the distance, proc darkest night with CT, mob...
Yeah I mean carnage would also need to support a similar functionality on rupture
strange python
Do you have to tab target the whole pack and apply dots to each
.
balmy condor
!carnage
prisma monolithBOT
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
manic quartz
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041465700994269255/1324634951785910332/I...
This exact same thing happened to us 😅
balmy condor
broken chasm
can i enable raid abilities for trash?
balmy condor
whats that mean
warped root
just quick question about Caustic Spatter how big is it's range ?
balmy condor
12y from center of target
warped root
ty!
thorn thorn
Whispyr I have a possibly rogue related question for you
slate crown
It's possibly rogue related?
thorn thorn
Yes, or really anybody can answer who wants to really
What is your most hot take on the game, on really any topic of it
slate crown
QE strafers are more human than AD strafers and s for backpeddle is a valid keybind
radiant raven
Agreed
slate crown
I don't know if that's my most hot take
thorn thorn
Give me your spiciest take
Convince me its not a hot take
My hottest take was that Thorned would have been a funny affix if it made it past testing
radiant raven
Would've generated some good gifs
thorn thorn
Oh yea it would have
royal lantern
What is your most hot take on the game, on really any topic of it
SL story was not nearly as bad like most people act it was, it didnt "ruin" anything, and by saying that they often openly admit that they didnt really watched/read/listened to anything anyway (aka, everytime somebody brings up "dae the Jailer is BEHIND EVERYTHING!!!?" which was never said that way at all)
thorn thorn
Idk I also didnt think it was that bad either
It certainly had a couple of plot holes but calling it the worst story in wow I think is a bit hyperbole
royal lantern
ye
radiant raven
Yeah there's way worse
royal lantern
fucking WoD exists
radiant raven
Looking at you cata era writing
royal lantern
WoD was borderline a scam
slate crown
Every expansion people thought was the worst ever has had people come out and sing its graces almost on the dot 2 years after it is dubbed the worst expansion ever
thorn thorn
I still think BFA was the worst one imo
But I also will die on the hill that BFA was a clown show for most of it 
royal lantern
Every expansion people thought was the worst ever has had people come out and si...
ye, the age old OLD GOOD NEW BAD
slate crown
(Not talking story just overall approval of the expansion)
radiant raven
BFA had some good raids though
golden loom
Just the entire bfa/SL sylvanas arc is boring / hidden powers from outside power (jailor) is boring
slate crown
ye, the age old OLD GOOD NEW BAD
I've just seen it happen almost like clockwork
royal lantern
BfA was a banger expansion for PvE endgame
the rest was a bit oof
radiant raven
Not for sub 😭
thorn thorn
Sepulcher had some criminally god awful fights imo
golden loom
"how is sylvanas 1 shotting the lich king (noob bolvar)??" Oh she has god powers from the shadowrealm
thorn thorn
There was a lot of leadup if you read the book
But the book is entirely disconnected from the game
And almost nothing from it is mentioned ingame
A+ story telling
golden loom
And wasnt it released afterwards?
thorn thorn
Sometime during SL the book was released
golden loom
Yeah, like its not bad per say, just kinda boring and broken
thorn thorn
There was a tldr of it but supposedly the events started before the events of legion
It makes sense somewhat with the context of the book
But if you didnt know of its existence then it looks forced and awkward because basically nothing that happens in the book is explained ingame anywhere
golden loom
Like dark souls lore is conveluted cause you have to read item descriptions etc, but at least they exist in the game 
royal lantern
tbf, dark souls lore is 1 of the most overhyped things ever, and that comes from a fromsoft giga nerd
golden loom
And then garrosh randomly dies in a makgora in the first patch
radiant raven
Yeah but that was funny
royal lantern
like, bro, most of it is just losely connected "it was good once until it wasnt" on repeat
golden loom
True
royal lantern
It's like the mop to wod issue
that was SO MUCH WORSE
like, the entire reason why WoD happend was in a book
radiant raven
Ye haha
royal lantern
if you didnt read the boom it was suddenly "garrosh time+dimension travled into draenor"
out of nowhere
and the last thing most people saw from garrosh was beating him in the raid lol
golden loom
Kinda crazy not having played wod or anything at the time, all the media around it is amazing, from the cinematic to the music, but knowing stuff now its a dumpster fire
thorn thorn
if you didnt read the boom it was suddenly "garrosh time+dimension travled into ...
Platinum wow explained this
I wont spoil the whole deal but we can blame Wrathion for that one
royal lantern
Kinda crazy not having played wod or anything at the time, all the media around ...
WoD was the closest we had to a dead wow
WoD was REALLY fucking bad in all regards
golden loom
Yeah thats why anduin also punches wrathion
radiant raven
Garrisons own and I will die on this hill
golden loom
Platinum wow the goat
radiant raven
However: yeah wod was so bad lmao
royal lantern
like, just the base thing
you pay for a expansion, do the leveling questline and then it was over, no content
lol
that was WoD
m+ didnt exist
radiant raven
Really good leveling camapign
royal lantern
no world content
thorn thorn
And then garrosh randomly dies in a makgora in the first patch
One of the greatest examples of character assassination
royal lantern
1 good, 1decent-good and 1 mediocre raid, but the last one went for a full year
nothing else
that was WoD
radiant raven
Also it was the first expansion with mythic raiding (ignoring the oreparch change to siege)
So a lot of 10 man groups had to scale up and 25man groups had to figure out who to cut or rotate
It did give us flex raiding though which was nice
royal lantern
like, again, people REALLY forgot how giga fucked WoD was, it was legit borderline a scam
golden loom
I really wonder about classic, what will they do after MoP
royal lantern
leveling for 5hours untill max level->nothing at all lol
radiant raven
WoD classic, def
golden loom
Surely they cant re-release WoD
radiant raven
No reason not too which is funny
ember mural
wod had twitter integration for the first major patch wdym 
golden loom
Unless its like a gigasped up like 1 year expansion
radiant raven
WoD with faster patch cadence is probably fine
royal lantern
Surely they cant re-release WoD
eh, with a deceng release schedule it can be ok
formal talon
anyone have an issue with macro #showtooltip /cast deathmark /use 14 not using the trinket while in stealth?
radiant raven
The year of hellfire man
royal lantern
like, 1 of the biggest Problems was that WoD had no content AND a full year of Hellfire lol
radiant raven
I raided every week. Fuck
royal lantern
anyone have an issue with macro #showtooltip /cast deathmark /use 14 not using t...
did you put the macro on your stealthbar
golden loom
Was hellfire assault reclear fun? 
formal talon
did you put the macro on your stealthbar
yeah
royal lantern
Was hellfire assault reclear fun? <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
nothing is fun when its 1 full year the same
formal talon
did you put the macro on your stealthbar
omg im and idiot
formal talon
sorry new rouge here
golden loom
Its crazy that its still awful
royal lantern
and imo another thing that often gets forgoten
legion launch REALLY fucking sucked for endgame
like, jesus christ
thorn thorn
Leggo rng
royal lantern
AP grinding so you can play a offspec at all
radiant raven
Legendary rng was the absolute worst
thorn thorn
royal lantern
legendarys
formal talon
did you put the macro on your stealthbar
thanks friend
golden loom
Like doing tmog runs of hellfire citadel is so boring cause of assault
royal lantern
sorry new rouge here
dont worry, we all are dumb
marsh storm
Welp my 8+ key got tanked on the stonevault.
another DPS said after the timer.. 'Wait, you have to go near not in the portals to remove debuff?'
radiant raven
Hey, at least they learned something this time....?
thorn thorn
Like doing tmog runs of hellfire citadel is so boring cause of assault <:kekw:12...
I wanted to farm the mount from hellfire but real shit assault was so boring I changed my mind
marsh storm
and poor tank apologised, even though he carried
thorn thorn
golden loom
I wanted to farm the mount from hellfire but real shit assault was so boring I c...
My favorite is doing Naxx, going afk in Gothic room for 5min making something to eat while waiting for him to come down from his balcony
thorn thorn
I am not built to farm legacy content
radiant raven
They should hotfiz that fight by just putting a gun in the room
And you can just shoot gothic
thorn thorn
I cashed in all my patience getting the Insane title and I dont intend on farming old stuff again
golden loom
I love it cause atleast most of it is kinda fresh
Fuck unlocking nylotha tho
Noone online knows which questline to do so I just gave up
spice surge
Fairly sure you can just walk into that raid now
No need for any cloak or prequest
for any of the bosses
golden loom
I tried, both in desert and pandaria but it doesnt appear
marsh storm
Still salty. I do kinda feel you need to do a pop quiz before you can enter atleast a 7+ dungeon.
golden loom
And cant get summoned without questline either
radiant raven
You might need to get the neck and do the nazjatar intro to get the phasing to show up but BFA is such a mess
I thought you could just go to it these days though, like eleem says
golden loom
Yeah a lot of stuff is weird
radiant raven
You don't have zidomri in vale, right?
golden loom
Like I was able to be summoned to antorus, but not nylotha
golden loom
You don't have zidomri in vale, right?
That swaps the timeline shit?
radiant raven
Yeah
golden loom
There was one npc like that in the desert when nylotha was there that week but it didnt do anything
radiant raven
Weeeird 😦
golden loom
Yeah, anyways most stuff from there is ugly so doesnt really matter
marsh storm
Another question regarding Shadowstep. I know it puts me behind the boss in most cases, but some bosses like Rashanan i'm unsure if it just puts me in front or Yeets me off the bridge. Is there like a rule for shadowstep when it will put you in the back and when not.
spice surge
No rule
thorn thorn
My favorite part of DF was doing Terros and watching the havoc players accidentally hit Fel rush and just fall into the pit
marsh storm
yea i find shadowstep a bit icky when a boss is right next to a swirly or casting a frontal or something
balmy condor
no
royal lantern
yea i find shadowstep a bit icky when a boss is right next to a swirly or castin...
if the boss actually has a backside, it will put you behind them
if they dont/behind them is literally death (like rash) it will put you in front of them
royal lantern
well, is there any way to sequence vanish > ambush?
why do you need that
the game changes mutilate into ambush when you get a proc
astral current
why do you need that
keyboard switch that's set for ambush is fucked most of the time so im ending up with pressing it multiple times
and that's literally only one comfy button for me to use even despite switch being fucked up
marsh storm
if the boss actually has a backside, it will put you behind them
if they dont/b...
So no shadowstep on Bloodbound Horror?
royal lantern
So no shadowstep on Bloodbound Horror?
idk, why would i step on that Boss
legit never used it on him
marsh storm
after the big aoe maybe
astral current
the game changes mutilate into ambush when you get a proc
well yeah but im used to cast ambush on different key
marsh storm
i usually follow a player though
royal lantern
you cloak that aoe and keep hitting the Boss
marsh storm
Damn, another cloak i didn't know
marsh storm
Like everything in WoW is almost in a way 'magic', unless literally described as physical or something, i'm not sure when to cloak or not
astral current
So no shadowstep on Bloodbound Horror?
you can just tunnel the boss ignoring going into splits/reduce damage of cone by feint to prevent yourself from using cloak early
royal lantern
well, everything that is not physical/bleed
marsh storm
poisons aswel?
royal lantern
cus in wow everything that is not physical/bleed dmg is magical
yes, poison is nature dmg
marsh storm
cool
astral current
also you can make urself immune to line -> orbs mechanic on Kyveza by using cloak
marsh storm
you can just tunnel the boss ignoring going into splits/reduce damage of cone by...
what like just hit boss only?
you have to split for the cone right?
astral current
you have to split for the cone right?
you can just ignore going into the cones
scarlet barn
I have 11 finery from 4 boss kills. I'm at 16% for the buff. does it only show up when you have 16?
astral current
wdym
scarlet barn
the quest to hand in
astral current
you can turn in once per 2 weeks
scarlet barn
ah so have to wait for next week then
balmy condor
isn't 16% the cap
astral current
nah
balmy condor
crazy
scarlet barn
how high does it go
uneven nymph
i miss my warchief
astral current
new raid gonna release ~4th march cuz plunderstorm ends 25th feb
so next week gonna be +2.25% more and then you can count
gonna be like ~25% buff at the last couple weeks of nerubar raid
balmy condor
how high does it go
caps at 20 apparently
astral current
oh well, my prognose aint that far from truth
uneven nymph
can we all agree here Sylvanas > her sister
scarlet barn
I'll finally lock in when it hits 20%
hallow pelican
when does sylvanus come back to this shit hole ya think? i mean she knew about all this horseshit back in legion
marsh storm
She'll probably pop back up in Midnight. That one will focus a lot on the Sunwell, has a Silvermoon revamp and is focussed on the different High elves and Blood elf tribes. So they'll probably gonna pluck her out of the maw or something for a 'All is lost scene, but then Sylvanas.' Or something like that.
limber lion
well yeah but im used to cast ambush on different key
Get out of that habit then
There's no benefit from having Ambush on a separate key now
You can add stance variables to an Ambush macro if you really want
I use something like
/cast [stance:0]Mutilate; Ambush
But it's super whatever and doesn't really matter
marsh storm
There's is like a weird stealth/ambush bug with vanish right? Like unable to cast muti/ambush, because you're no longer in stealth
balmy condor
ambush is a stealth ability
so no longer being in stealth means you can't cast ambush
marsh storm
i know i know. I meant like i am out of stealth, but pressing mutilate it still consider it as ambush and thus unable to cast
limber lion
No, nothing of that sort
marsh storm
weird
limber lion
Mutilate only changes to Ambush with Blindside procs
hallow pelican
there isnt a bug ... but sometimes on pulls when ur tank is initiating before the count ends, the boss will pop u out of stealth
limber lion
Otherwise it's something that you've changed
hallow pelican
at least thats what I noticed
marsh storm
maybe then it's an actionbar/stealth thing yea
because i got ambush on the same button as mutilate when stealth
limber lion
Yeah, that's why I use a macro for it because stealth bars are a plague
marsh storm
oh lol
limber lion
Same thing when playing Sub rogue, gotta have macros because stealth bar is bad
And you might potentially use backstab instead of shadowstrike because the game registers the change of bar too late
Or you end up not doing anything because Dance ended and your bar takes time to change back to normal
limber lion
Yeah, but it takes like 0.5s to change or whatever so it's not that big of a deal
But yeah I just use stance macros to dodge that bullet
And previously in the past just used Elvui without stealth bars
marsh storm
yea it isn't to bad, but i do notice it on occassion
Can i find those stance macro's somewhere or just google?
limber lion
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:0]Mutilate; Ambush
Pretty sure this is what I use
It just uses Mutilate if you're out of stealth and Ambush if you're in any stealth whatsoever (stealth, subterfuge, vanish)
marsh storm
You use a different bar than the first/stealth bar aswel?
limber lion
I just slap the macro on the normal bar and the stealth bar
So if Mutilate is on 1, then I put it on the normal action bar where 1 is and on the stealth equivalent
So you drag it once to the location of your mutilate out of stealth
Then you go into stealth and do it again
marsh storm
cool
balmy condor
But yeah I just use stance macros to dodge that bullet
that.... doesn't actually fix it though
stealth bar is coded to do the exact same thing
you're just flipping stealth bar/not stealth bar on one key instead of the whole bar
but the stance swap lag is the same
slate crown
The only reliable way I've found to avoid the lag is to just have separate buttons for each
The macro felt like it helped but those are my anecdotal feelings and given that it's somewhat lag based it's not going to give reliable outcomes, it didn't feel like it solved it 100% though
And hey with snd and tea gone everyone gained button slots
if button bloat was a concern for u
spice spire
What if I need more buttons
thorn thorn
Get a second keyboard
spice spire
gusty mountain
New guy here is it frowned upon to post a paragraph question in this chat?
gusty mountain
Yessir
limber lion
that.... doesn't actually fix it though
Gg
gusty mountain
My question is mostly with talent choices
slate crown
Just to warn you the answer is probably "there's 500 variants and they're all extremely close so play what your preference is"
But you can still ask
spice spire
Just to warn you the answer is probably "there's 500 variants and they're all ex...
Don’t steal my line
thorn thorn
I thought that was Whispyrs line
spice spire
Our line comrade
gusty mountain
Im cool with that here was the question.
For the M+ build I have been running Whispyrs hybrid build from wowhead to great success on AOE damage however now I have gotten to a point where I'm starting to look at others builds to learn what they are valuing and why. On the build I'm using it's taking Without a trace (I assume its because the wowhead post is aimed at new players that will generally be pugging and having the extra vanish for when the pug tank doesn't allow stealth resets is needed). What is the damage difference between this build and the ones in higher keys running Lethality, Recuperator, 1/2 Supercharger over that and what advantages do those 3 talents have over the prior?
vocal zenith
i start play assa and im not sure hot to use vanish any advice?
spice spire
Im cool with that here was the question.
For the M+ build I have been running W...
Minuscule differences in playing a little more st, etc. in builds
I recommend trying them out and see what’s best for you genuinely
Because the differences are kind of tailored to the content you’re running
And what’s needed to complete
gusty mountain
Would the supercharger build lean more toward ST focus in your opinion?
spice spire
Yes
lament fog
hey as a new rogue what is the best weapon enhancement, Whetstone or bubbling wax ?
spice spire
Whetstone
ember mural
What if I need more buttons
foot pedal
limber lion
but the stance swap lag is the same
Maybe I never had issues with the stance bar lag as Assassination, I just remember when I made the macro that it fixed many issues that I had at the time, but maybe it was something unrelated to lag and something entirely different. It's been years, idk
But I do something similar on Sub too and it seems to work fine
Idk can't remember what I did or what's what
Whatever
plain flower
Havent played since early s1 but did all the deathstalker bugs get fixed
limber lion
The most critical ones yeah but not all
You're fine playing it
ER doesn't exist and you don't get random 2% talents for free
:-)
plain flower
Im fine playing fatebound if need be idrc just want bigger number
I noticed assa has been top boss dps on the wowhead post pretty consistently so not really worried the only thing i care about is being the best in my shit guild
limber lion
Just play Deathstalker.
ebon ingot
Hey guys, i have these trinkets, can you help me pick what i should pair for m+ and raid please.
- Deadeye
- Crystal Aof Anu'b
- Sacbrood
- Mad queen
- High speakers accred
- Harvesters edict
thank you
runic hinge
Do you have skardyns?
strange python
Hey guys, i have these trinkets, can you help me pick what i should pair for m+ ...
Sim?
hybrid ravine
So getting back into wow from s1 but kinda want a new mainnnnn is rogue doing good?
runic hinge
It’s good today
polar timber
hybrid ravine
What’s the fastest way to level these days
runic hinge
Questing between timewalking queues
hybrid ravine
Like story quests ? Timewalking done Tuesday?
fallen moss
anyone have issues with this one shotting in higher keys? not the dot the initial dmg
balmy condor
classic m+ moment
runic hinge
Cool game mode
hybrid ravine
You think it’s better to go rogue or sham??
hybrid ravine
Meantttt which is easier hahahaha I’m coming from bm hunter
plain flower
Compared to bm hunter they are both extremely hard 
static glacier
Meantttt which is easier hahahaha I’m coming from bm hunter
enh is easier than rogue
west crown
Meantttt which is easier hahahaha I’m coming from bm hunter
Sin rogue is way easier than enh shaman. Hardest part about sin is learning when to be patient
static glacier
Sin rogue is way easier than enh shaman. Hardest part about sin is learning when...
you played enh since the rework?
it's largely stormstrike spam > spend
west crown
you played enh since the rework?
yeah but its like ret, proper utility use is what actually makes enh. Rogue is put on IW and maybe blind or ks lol
static glacier
in addition I think rogue has more to think about defensively
shamans are inherently tankier, rogue has to learn what it can feint, evade or cloak and when
west crown
dam? - > feint. big dam? -> evasion/cloak. but ease of class is entirely subjective
static glacier
other than that our aoe stop is reactive while shamans is proactive
don't get me wrong, I don't think any class is hard in wow anymore
but between enh and rogue I'd say I personally find enh easier for the reasons I mentioned
mild rock
when or what dungeons is it worth to take SD + TTK
keen spruce
whenever u feel like it
runic hinge
I don’t take any talents and I just kill the mobs with sheer will
rotund oak
but but casualdaddy..
slow tulip
so TLDR next tier set is bad?
pure moth
I don’t take any talents and I just kill the mobs with sheer will
i just use fan of knives.
rotund oak
so TLDR next tier set is bad?
polar rampart
i'm pretty sure theres heavy changes coming to alot of stuff when they post newer ptr builds
balmy condor
Yeah surely
Blizzard famously does a ton of iteration on PTR and beta builds
And definitely doesn’t just slap buggy half-finished garbage onto the test realms and then leave them there to rot because they cannot keep up with the patch cadence and rush everything out
They would never ever do that
I mean aside from when they did exactly that
polar rampart
you can tell every decision is for shareholder value, lol
balmy condor
In 9.2, and 9.2.5, and 10.0 beta, and 10.0.5 and 10.1 and 10.1.5 and 10.1.7 and 10.2 and 10.2.5 and 10.2.7 and 11.0 and 11.0.5 and 11.0.7
But believe me brother, blizzard would never rush a ptr FOURTEEN times in a row
Thirteen? Maybe
Possible
polar rampart
but i'm pretty sure the idea of these tier sets was copy paste shit, see what happens
balmy condor
Can happen
waxen sandal
This has prolly been asked before, but ds simming, favours outlaw?
Cause im simming alot higher as that, but no chance on earth i do more damage as outlaw when running m+
subtle tundra
ds sim damage != real damage numbers
slate crown
Consequence of the sim. Dungeon slice especially.
Point of that type of sim is to compare within a single spec, comparing talents/gear
Not cross-spec comparison
dusk hatch
trying to learn assa, how important is 2 stack twist the knife during cds on st?
subtle tundra
its something that happens naturally
dusk hatch
but if i want to improve, what should i be focusing on, envenom uptime? tea usages? twist the knife? pooling energy? or is the most important thing to just get as many envenoms out as possible for more darkest nights?
bright cipher
And definitely doesn’t just slap buggy half-finished garbage onto the test realm...
True, all quality stuff, definetly ni tierset is in a untestable state.
subtle tundra
but if i want to improve, what should i be focusing on, envenom uptime? tea usag...
with current design
like none
you just press buttons
balmy condor
blizzard is fighting hard to make me not like the game
I want to like the game
but they keep trying their best to make me hate it
and they're REALLY good at it
dusk hatch
you just press buttons
really? surely there is something u have to think about, there must be something different in the gameplay between a guy who gets 70 parses vs a guy who get 95+?
bronze pike
i wont stop playing slot machine ret even tho they introduce slot machine tiersets
rare jackal
maybe its time to take the gacha pill so they can hire more devs
subtle tundra
really? surely there is something u have to think about, there must be something...
yea...
surely
lusty kraken
I doubt the problem is with the number of devs
subtle tundra
the person who gets 70 parses doesnt do the basics right
bright cipher
Salvation for me is that whoever is in charge of warlock always get demo right, but if i played afflicti hoho wouldn't i be pissed.
lusty kraken
the problem is management and lack of time
subtle tundra
doesnt have good gear/has bad movement/has many mechanics/has long kill timers
assa ST is really just doing the basics
bright cipher
But i must say, some of the stuff i read about rogue tier is very idiotic.
golden loom
really? surely there is something u have to think about, there must be something...
as long as you do the rotation, theres not too much thinking involved
rare jackal
really? surely there is something u have to think about, there must be something...
less than youd assume
parsing (95+) is a lot about kill time, padding into adds and RNG
which isnt to say that people who consistently parse higher dont play better
subtle tundra
do your burst sequence( envenom shiv kb ) and then like dont drop your bleeds lol
dont waste your CP, but... thats again just the basics
subtle tundra
theres some specs
ww can be played very mediocrely
and a good ww just dunks on him
balmy condor
instead we get rng tier bonuses with a chance to not lose the chance to lose on top of a spec with 12% variance
incredible
rare jackal
but if i want to improve, what should i be focusing on, envenom uptime? tea usag...
evenenom uptime, not missing DN procs, bleed uptime, proper burst rotation to name a few things
rare jackal
listen man im grasping at straws here, leave me alone
balmy condor
insane
bright cipher
Do you want to think about it?
rare jackal
take the sub pill, its fun (unless you have to play DS)
dusk hatch
evenenom uptime, not missing DN procs, bleed uptime, proper burst rotation to na...
okey, thanks. But going in to deathmark + kb without any teas is bad no?
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
But what about thinking of life, philosophy, and thats in-between
All that's in-between*
subtle tundra
okey, thanks. But going in to deathmark + kb without any teas is bad no?
That doesn't happen cause tea has 1 min cd
dusk hatch
i know i used to play with that macro but i found myself without any teas on my second 2min cd
golden loom
also during deathmark the tea is whatever cause u have infinite energy
balmy condor
i know i used to play with that macro but i found myself without any teas on my ...
okay and?
it'll come back up
it's a 1 min cd
you press your tea during dm, it comes up with your kb, comes up with your dm
over and over
dusk hatch
it auto procs tho
balmy condor
okay and?
it'll come back up
it's a 1 min cd
you press your tea during dm, it comes up with your kb, comes up with your dm
over and over
runic hinge
Using tea for energy is good!
balmy condor
also true
rare jackal
i use tea manually just to feel something...
dusk hatch
it didnt come back up this time, which is why im wondering how bad that is and if i should try to not proc it before cds
balmy condor
it's not bad
if it were bad, we wouldn't macro it
idk where the pin went but the difference between casting it perfectly manually, pooling exactly right, tea on legit perfect gcds every time
vs the macro
vs letting it auto proc 24/7
is 0.13%
so
who gives a shit
golden loom
i use tea manually just to feel something...
what do u even feel pressing tea, theres no animation and no sound or anything
subtle tundra
i do it to men to feel something
dusk hatch
so this spec is just keep ur dots up, press deathmark and kb on cd and pray for good kill time?
balmy condor
yes
dusk hatch
sounds boring
subtle tundra
thats like
dusk hatch
coming from mage
subtle tundra
the majority of the specs
rare jackal
so this spec is just keep ur dots up, press deathmark and kb on cd and pray for ...
unironically
why do you think this channel is 50% shitposting
balmy condor
spec legit plays itself
runic hinge
what do u even feel pressing tea, theres no animation and no sound or anything
Same animation as drinking a potion I think
subtle tundra
i recomment sub
runic hinge
But since it’s macroed to shiv you don’t notice it
golden loom
Same animation as drinking a potion I think
yeah but it just blends into attack animations kek
runic hinge
I notice because in blizzards jank I drink a tea every time I enter an arena
balmy condor
if you play fatebound you don't even have to track anything on the hero talent
fatebound is super duper freelo
runic hinge
You get the buff and everything
runic hinge
rare jackal
blizz hates dots so
runic hinge
You’re right I should play feral next tier
rare jackal
more envenom damage for you bozo
runic hinge
Tnugz is 600 ilvl
balmy condor
dude I will never understand how they added a bunch of energy and pooling gameplay in the 10.2 rework, laid the foundation for resource-focused gameplay
and then just fucking
let it rot
subtle tundra
40 specs in the game
runic hinge
39 too many
balmy condor
enhance and spriest reworks
but assa can't get one patch where the ideas they already laid the groundwork for can be expanded on
balmy condor
I mean that's not gonna fix anything varas
balmy condor
to be fair, that's what the community begs for with m+ specs
you become meta m+ spec by doing 100% st and 100% aoe at the same time
subtle tundra
to be fair, i wish i didnt play m+ this season
i remember why i stopped pushing
so if assa was bad there would've been 0 chance i was playing
everything is in my self interest
balmy condor
imagine if like
specs did different damage in different aoe situations
so like a dungeon with big aoe a big aoe spec was better than a cleave spec
but the cleave spec was better in smaller aoe dungeons
and then like
they could enforce that
by adding target caps or something
so that people don't giga pull
idk crazy idea
and then like
subtle tundra
dont let outlaws read this
balmy condor
instead of letting target caps turn to dust
and rot
they could maybe actually see a single one of their own ideas through to the end
and like hypothetically you would then not see the same 5 fucking specs
in the top 300 keys
which would also help the pug fomo a bit
dunno
could be an idea
subtle tundra
m+ fiends would make characters for each dungeon
subtle tundra
im a jobful fuck sweating over the same minigame...
balmy condor
people only care about class/spec rankings anyway
radiant raven
Going further into distinct damage profiles would be cool.
balmy condor
yeah would be
if only blizzard tried that
and then actually did it
instead of doing the same fucking thing they do with every single one of their ideas
which is half-bake the whole thing, slop it out
and then let it die
lusty kraken
nah we need to have a couple of specs be able to do everything and leave the rest to rot
balmy condor
seeing them slowly dilute legion artifacts into azerite traits into soulbinds into nothing
actually filled me with an unbound rage
radiant raven
Same. Seeing the continual steps back in design itteration for no real benefit was infuriating.
subtle tundra
erm ill have you know the best of those are now talents
balmy condor
it's like they have a different definition of the word "iterate"
where instead it means "water down"
it's fucking psychotic
radiant raven
Start with the best and then design away from it.
balmy condor
they do it with everything
radiant raven
Mission table, lmao
The absolute mess of Shadowlands seeming like it was a first draft concept of the entire system compared to the WoD (and Legion, argubably) ones which were really well thoughtout, concrete concepts.
balmy condor
remember island expeditions and how proud they were of their new super-ai advanced npc's? They couldn't stop sucking themselves off about how incredible these new npcs were and how they used CC and burst skills and had personalities
tell me where those went
radiant raven
Comp stomp
balmy condor
they are dumb as bricks in follower dungeons bro
runic hinge
It’s actually me in your follower dungeon
subtle tundra
its all you?
radiant raven
That's just realistic to normal dungeon players.
runic hinge
I just wanted to hangout
radiant raven
That's how good their AI is now. Years of learning and building a schemata for them.
But it is absurd how they had this really cool setup for Islands, with legimately fun and interesting NPC enemies and the whole system was just thrown out. Islands could've become an evergreen system with more added each expansion (Delves) and stuff. Just a great idea, tossed away
Torghast too, for all purposes. Great system ideas, misused and disliked by the playerbase, so thrown out instead of retooling or making evergreen for cosmetics or side content (or leveling haha)
balmy condor
bro we went from warfronts to what
radiant raven
they were so proud of the arathi warfront
lusty kraken
torghast was an interesting system during the beta but then they threw it all away by making it mandatory and removing the infinite mode
radiant raven
Yeah
balmy condor
REIMAGINED WARCRAFT TWO RTS GAMEMODE SO INNOVATIVE
okay if its so great why not do more
you already have all the building blocks
you have a working example
???????
radiant raven
And it was fun, too!
radiant raven
Those are coming back at least.
balmy condor
horrific visions deadass just delves
lusty kraken
I think torghast was the iteration of horrific visions
radiant raven
Yeah
subtle tundra
horrific visions deadass just delves
actually much better
cause mobs dont white hit you to death
?!!?
radiant raven
truth
balmy condor
I think torghast was the iteration of horrific visions
I can't imagine that, horrific visions you had like secret finding to have permanent progression and unlocks and shit to manage your bar
radiant raven
fuck those kobold mages and their 2.5m white hits. Why are the mages melee machines. Did someone put a decminal in the wrong spot??
balmy condor
torghast was just "we made rogue-like xd"
lusty kraken
I can't imagine that, horrific visions you had like secret finding to have perma...
isn't this a rogue-like?
subtle tundra
torghast was just "we made rogue-like xd"
DEVELOPED SO MANY ABILITIES FOR IT, SCRAPPED IT INSTEAD OF ADDING ONTO
?!?!?!?!?
balmy condor
I mean not nearly in the same way
radiant raven
I think there's enough connecting tissue. Horrific Visions were run-based sorta roguelike things, but with meta progression. It's just torghast went way harder into it
Def closer to Delves though
balmy condor
torghast had no out of run upgrades to it
lusty kraken
you did have some upgrades
radiant raven
Oh right they added those later in a patch
subtle tundra
i actually had fun in torghast runs when i got good abilities and didnt fight for my life
balmy condor
weren't the upgrades just weekly affixes
where you like walk in and oh look you get a thing at the start
lusty kraken
the upgrades were making the runs easier
radiant raven
Weren't those added later, though? The upgrade thing in the middle, the.. box of many whatevers.
It's been a while and I am too lazy to check for sure.
lusty kraken
I don't remember
radiant raven
I wanna say 9.1?
lusty kraken
and I don't want to
radiant raven
I swear it was korthia
radiant raven
'cos I remember getting it before I quit, and I quit in 9.1
lusty kraken
the only good things about shadowlands were the dungeons and castle nathria
balmy condor
real
radiant raven
Hell yeah vampire idiots
lusty kraken
I never got the sylvanas dagger during 9.1
subtle tundra
I try to keep korthia out of my mind
me when i have 1 hour of daily chores
lusty kraken
was great
radiant raven
I remember thinking: Wow, Korthia is smaller than mechagon with half the content. And we got Nazjatar in the same patch in BfA!
And then being very sad.
subtle tundra
mechagon the goat
radiant raven
8.1 was a really stacked patch
balmy condor
the only big memory I have of korthia was accepting the weekly, killing a rare, and seeing the bar go up 5%
and then just dread
radiant raven
The intro quest broke for me a dozen times before I got it to work properly.
lusty kraken
was korthia mandatory? I don't remember
balmy condor
yes
lusty kraken
I remember farming rares for the socket thingy upgrades
balmy condor
you also couldn't increase the ilvl of legendaries without korthia
lusty kraken
but that was towards the end of the patch
radiant raven
Korthia was really just the most distilled "Mandatory login chores" moment for me, and was a big reason for why I just peaced out for a year.
rare jackal
these things kept me from starting wow in shadowlands
lusty kraken
they were truly desperate for engagement metrics
static glacier
Korthia was really just the most distilled "Mandatory login chores" moment for m...
only time I ever quit the game because of the game itself and not external factors
subtle tundra
thank god for DF changing to no dps locked behind grinds
static glacier
dogshit patch + new world coming out = we quit mid sylvanas prog
rare jackal
DF was great
balmy condor
they were truly desperate for engagement metrics
they still are, they just hide it behind a faster patch cycle
subtle tundra
DF was great
yea
literally did nothing except raid
a big bunch of nothing
fuck yea
rare jackal
thats what i loved about it tbh
radiant raven
DF was good and I am continually sad to see them walking back on some of the better shifts in design.
lusty kraken
they still are, they just hide it behind a faster patch cycle
they should make the game harder and more annoying to play, that will increase the engagement for sure
balmy condor
instead of releasing timegated content slower
static glacier
thing is if you wanted to do something in df / now you're free to do it with minimal mandatory grinds
balmy condor
they instead opted to release lower quality timegated content faster
subtle tundra
can i get reminded why we got the ring this patch? so 11.1 is buggier?
rare jackal
siren island reminds me of custom zones from private servers way back in the days
radiant raven
We got it this patch because we got it in 10.0.7 in DF and I guess they've settled on a standard expansion 'flow' or something.
Wouldn't be shocked if we get a similar thing in 12.0.7
subtle tundra
have you seen this varas
nope, but fairplay
if the boss decides to kill herself
gg
rare jackal
https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxcKOl11JupMNCgMjYwf59eYM1Vf3rlO-Q
wtf
radiant raven
lmao
subtle tundra
😭
balmy condor
so on a wipe
one person died
15 war queens went off
next person died
15 war queens went off
next person died
radiant raven
that's really funny
balmy condor
and they just ripped 2.5% of the bosses hp
rare jackal
to me, thats cinema
balmy condor
by wiping
subtle tundra
thats big
radiant raven
I've seen people doing 2/0/28 Ansurek Heroic too, with a specific gem setup. Healers? in the bin.
balmy condor
I've seen people doing 2/0/28 Ansurek Heroic too, with a specific gem setup. Hea...
this is really funny but also mostly a joke honestly
subtle tundra
no 1% wipe insurance
balmy condor
cause the damage you lose having all your dps running healer gems is roughly the same as the dps loss of just running healers in the first place
golden loom
Think people were clearing 4/8 mythic with no healers also
balmy condor
only thing it does is replace dumbfuck healers with dumbfuck dps
so like yeah it works
but it's not really anything to write home about
radiant raven
Yeah that was my feeling too, it's jsut very funny.
It's still going to fall foul of the same wipe issues any heroic pug is gonna have on Ansurek.
balmy condor
ye
golden loom
But think it was automaticjack or someone else talking about it being less of a ring problem, and that its close to possible even without ring
radiant raven
They should add an AoE for crimson vial behind you
With how we just slam that thing in our face, a 180 aoe behind us that heals others
rare jackal
crimson vial as an aoe
like a heal bomb
lost wadi
hello guys i think one hero talent doesnt work for me. im playing assa and the talent is hunt them down, i see it on all other rogues damage breakdown on either details or recount doing a significant amount of dmg but for me its never there resulting in low dps
balmy condor
are you applying deathstalkers mark
golden loom
Its kinda weird with all classes having so many defensives and then raid damage is concentrated in big bursts
subtle tundra
what level