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hallow pelican
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or tazavesh

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or nokhud

rotund oak
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you are too confident sus

hallow pelican
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or dawn

spice surge
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Dawn is a banger

hallow pelican
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yeah ... its also too long and the damage doesnt scale properly and would be FUCKING MERCILESS at higher keys. the mechanics are fucking stupid

spice surge
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Too long?

hallow pelican
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and no its not a banger... timeways is one of the worst designed mythic dungeon bosses EVER

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thats not a hot take

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thats fuckin fact

rotund oak
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💀

fallow canopy
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those are some takes yes

spice surge
hallow pelican
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yeah i have different takes than the 15% of the playerbase that even bothers with this shit anymore

spice surge
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Youre assuming it was ever much higher

hallow pelican
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it was during BfA and Legion. Even during S1 of shadowlands

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Theres a reason you keep seeing Atal Dazar and Waycrest and Boralus and black rook in the rotation and how some have never been in the rotation even once

native heron
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
slate crown
# spice surge

how I feel when people say ttk wa doesn't matter because we have infinite energy now anyways

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like leave me alone

runic hinge
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No

ebon ingot
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Skyardin ever drops or its just a myth? swear never seen anyone get one

strange python
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its easier to get from vault than from dung

winged sun
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In keys

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I personally never had it drop only once

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And it was traded to me

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But

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On vault

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I saw mythic skardyn’s 4 times on my rogue

ebon ingot
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well fingers crossed

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never seen once on my rogue lol

rotund oak
elder reef
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Hi, in the M+ build with crimson tempest, do you use that in ST with deathmark on the boss or no?

spice surge
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No

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Only use if theres 2 targets

elder reef
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Thanks babe

final dawn
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Trinket farm feels mega stupid, honestly. Maybe we should get one coin per completed max loot level m+ to buy stuff at a specific vendor. Like 20 coins for a trinket. They could even make a coin per dungeon to force ppl still farming it.

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Imagine not having skardyns until now and regularly farming GB

grim jay
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580?

rotund oak
grim jay
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I had 35 on the 3rd day of the season bla

rotund oak
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my ponytails has 110 keys in total

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mage another 120-ish

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i had to stop obsessing

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😅

hearty charm
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In which dungeons you play the talent „ sudden Demise“ for m+ ?

runic hinge
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I play it in all of them

hexed frost
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Blindside activates my neuron cells

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Jk

shrewd night
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Yall are on a bender fr fr

hexed frost
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Sudden demise normally does 2-3% of overall, but on Ara Kara it does 6-7% of overall which is a big number

But the perma 10% bleed buff is nice

runic hinge
royal lantern
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not the "execute"

hexed frost
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Ikr

royal lantern
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thats just a side effect that kinda helps in content where stuff dies fast

hexed frost
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But as I said

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Blindside activates my neuron cells

winged sun
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I think

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The execute part isn’t even simmed

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So

royal lantern
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glowy button good

hexed frost
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When I get 6 blindsides back to back

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Reminds me of the crackshot spam in DF S3

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Absolutely surreal

winged sun
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Crackshot spam still exists u know

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Spec is dogshit tho won’t say no to that

charred wraith
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If the pack lives after initial opener, do i spread raptures first thing after all the maintenance stuff?

rotund oak
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packs normally dont live that much but there is a time factor in which u refresh ur bleeds

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as in live enough to have value out of them

charred wraith
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well i assume it varies quite a bit depending on target count since energy income is a factor

clever sapphire
novel star
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well no rupture kinda just is bad

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it’s not rly a mobs living issue

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after the 5 for scent who cares

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or am i misreading

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idk i’m tired i check this channel before i fall asleep

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🛏️

clever sapphire
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im assuming he did the initial spread, did all the cooldowns and now its about time where ruptures are running out

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and question is about rerupturing

novel star
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mm

clever sapphire
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atleast thats how i understood it

novel star
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wording

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of spread instead of refresh

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got me

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true

clever sapphire
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tbh i just assumed he wouldnt not spread the scent ruptures before cooldowns

novel star
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“spread” is just a vague and annoying word

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if spread means you have 5 ruptures already and you’re doing more then ew

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i’m too sleepy gn

clever sapphire
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gn

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sleep tight

novel star
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i’m sleeping loose

grim vigil
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can the 150% random citrine also procc the mainstat one for 150% stats?

hexed frost
grim jay
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Ewwy stain

scenic kelp
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hey, how do i sim my char for m+? do i choose dungeon slice or what do i choose? 😄

grim jay
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Dungeonslice, yes

scenic kelp
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is it normal that it takes so long? have premium and 650k iterations and it takes like 30mins 😄

grim jay
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It takes decently longer than patchwerk yes

hearty reef
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What about systemic failure now gives 20% crit chance to mut and ambush instead of dmg?

clever sapphire
hearty reef
normal lotus
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I'm sure there is, but is there any data on how much of a dps increase secondary stats are over others?

E.g if I wanted to try sin but I'm currently outlaw and wanted to recraft ring and neck for sin stats - would that be enough?

hollow elk
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are we getting alot of changes for season 2?

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kek

snow quest
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you probably also have too much haste if you played kir

vagrant moat
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dumb ass question but how are ppl doing 1.9m+ dps on st bosses when we sim like 1.5 +14% raidbuff, is it only killtimings?

hollow river
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Sims don’t necessarily represent actual in game dps, they’re a tool used for picking gear

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But some raid fights also have adds or damage amps etc

golden loom
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kill time is very important also, for example if boss dies right before you get another set of CDs off it looks kinda shit

vagrant moat
hollow river
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Ye still, sims aren’t always going to match in game dps

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But lots of factors can also make gap wider

royal lantern
normal lotus
subtle tundra
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look up all the various random buffs other specs do/give

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look up kill timers

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look up high rolling

snow quest
snow quest
slim acorn
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after a search i think i have my answer but just want to confirm: DM and KB are dynamic and do not snapshot, yes? i got treacherous transmitter and wanted to make sure i’m not missing damage by macroing transmitter into DM and completing the task after my CDs

spice surge
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Almost everything in wow is dynamic

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Theres very very few exceptions

slim acorn
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word ty!

vestal cliff
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Does dynamic mean the bonus from transmitter applies on the already existing dot?

gusty mirage
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ye

vestal cliff
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Tyty

gusty mirage
glass raptor
vagrant moat
glass raptor
vagrant moat
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heck yes

glass raptor
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Dm me if you need help brother

vagrant moat
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will do

royal lantern
proper seal
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anyone have a WA that tracks tricks?

slate crown
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like... the tricks buff?

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or the auto tricks wa

woven shore
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Whens server reset again?

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In 3:19hours?

deft tulip
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hey, trying to sort my crafted gear, i currently have 1x dagger with Asendance 1x belt with dawwnthread.

i need to craft something else (probably another dagger ) but the wowhead line is confusing it says

"Unlucky Dagger
We all get unlucky sometimes, it happens. If you're not getting any dagger drops, it's worth considering crafting Everforged Stabber Everforged Stabber to try and have SOMETHING in that slot. Don't worry, I won't tell anyone. You can also put Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension on it, free two for one! Pay special attention to make sure you DO NOT CRAFT AN int dagger"

i dont quite understand the two for one bit? what do they mean ?

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and should my next craft just have no embelishment?

royal lantern
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you can only have 2 embelishments

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and if you use a dagger with ascendance, you want the nerubian patch as 2nd embelishment

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ascenadance without the patch is bad

deft tulip
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ah so recraft the belt - then make a dagger with nothing on it? for my 3rd crafted?

royal lantern
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if all other slots are on a decent ilvl, yeha sure

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offhand weapons is the lowest priority slot

deft tulip
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at the point where i've fully upgraded heroic stuff and am just waiting for caches or crafted

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so trying to get it right

royal lantern
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overall the "gear importance" is Mainhand weapon>>>>>>slots that give mainstat>>>>Rings/Necks>>>>>Offhand

deft tulip
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oh ok thanks

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so replace someting else heroic level first

royal lantern
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offhand is basically just a statstick

deft tulip
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sure thanks

royal lantern
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it has no impact on your abiliy dmg or smth like that

deft tulip
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got you perfect appreciate it

royal lantern
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so yeha, updated other slots first, and do offhand as crafted item only if you have a crafted item free and no other slot to fill with

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the neat part about a crafted mainhand dagger is

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if you get a Mythic level dagger from Raid/Vault

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you can just put the crafted dagger in your offhand

deft tulip
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well, cloaks or D tier trinkets is all the vault ever has

worldly sail
deft tulip
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thanks again

quiet oar
dusk juniper
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what are our go to trinkets for raid and m+

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in m+ crystal sims a lil better than dead eye but dead eye sims way better in st so dead eye is the better option? got skardyns already

rancid summit
glass raptor
pliant remnant
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It does not tell you to put your Regicide in the main hand

slate crown
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!bis

prisma monolithBOT
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BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

slate crown
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"bis" is a fake concept

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The bis lists on wowhead are not gospel, they literally exist to drive engagement to the website, not to provide a gearing guide

rancid summit
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Oh OK, that's good to know. Thanks for the info

slate crown
subtle tundra
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what the fuck does that mean

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?!?!

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ascendance doesnt immediately become bad if you wear another different embelishment

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its still the same fucking shit

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?!?!!

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you can also have 2 daggers with ascendance on

vital haven
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bro they should honestly delete embellisments

pliant remnant
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nah

slim pebble
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Giving the illusion of choice by making all embellishments suck is what sucks

rotund oak
rotund oak
pliant remnant
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Illusion of choice is good though

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Means you don't have to sweat different embellishment sets, but still gives something to chase

novel star
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but it’s not even illusion

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i don’t think you people understand what the words you are using mean

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if there are multiple options all at the same power level that gives you real choice

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not an illusion

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illusion of choice would be if there’s one particularly good option and the rest are bad which isn’t the case

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embellishments don’t matter is true but

pliant remnant
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You're just nitpicking lmao

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If there was one particularly good option and the rest were bad, you still wouldn't have illusion of choice

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'cause you can still choose the bad ones

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like no shit you have "real choice"

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It's just an "illusion" 'cause the difference isn't big enough to really matter

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and there's always more in your own gameplay you can improve etc

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but we're kinda just having a semantics argument so who cares

novel star
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i am nitpicking but at least i’m nitpicking correctly

pliant remnant
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I mean

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true

novel star
pliant remnant
novel star
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embellishments being all tied is a good thing

pliant remnant
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Yeap, I agree

limber lion
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all of them doing basically the same shit and and having the same power level ain't exactly super duper amazing

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when nothing matters, it's pretty shit

spice spire
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You’re so right pls bring back sporecloak

novel star
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the alternative is one being the best and you having no choice to switch things around based on other gear drops

limber lion
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same goes for the spec itself

spice spire
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Need that shit biblically

quiet oar
limber lion
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you can press any buttons in any order and still do 90% of the max damage

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best would be to have clearly different options for different kind of content

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but then you'd have to solve how you can swap that stuff around so you're not locked into it

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it's all just a big mumbojumbo

rotund oak
novel star
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everyone gets a neck that u just switch an embellishment on

winged sun
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any rogue gamers

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should i play sudden demise in arakara

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?

novel star
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holy baseg

winged sun
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for more overall

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than ttk

novel star
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solution has been found

winged sun
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dps race

novel star
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play whatever one you want man

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oh dps race

winged sun
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ye

novel star
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probably sd then yea

winged sun
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ok

novel star
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steal other peoples damage or something i don’t know man WORLDOFWARCRAFT

vapid geode
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will trade 3rd mythic skardyn for anything pls

novel star
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i got aaaa myth rash cloak i think

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wts 100g

rotund oak
novel star
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they should remove soulbound

rotund oak
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all good

novel star
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so i can give away my items i’m never going to touch again because the game sucks

vapid geode
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i feel like vault rng is a lot worse than it use to be

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im getting same thing every week almost

novel star
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well that’s the thing with rng

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is that

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the random number generator generates random numbers

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so you’re just getting unlucky

spice spire
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Deep thots

novel star
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next week pal log in

novel star
spice spire
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Haha hey

novel star
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heyyyy quakey

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well that was a good morning of arguing for no reason and threatening to have sex with quake again

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time to get up and play poe

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have fun guys

spice spire
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Login big dog

novel star
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i have trained enough

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it’s time

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:LOGIN:

spice spire
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Just make it a monk and make it omega hard mode for you early on

novel star
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invoker is super broken

spice spire
novel star
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using lightnign arrow lightning rod until level 14 though

spice spire
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First 9 levels of monk are hard mode

novel star
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monk pre ice strike is super dogshit

spice spire
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Dog ain’t NO WAY

novel star
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but as soon as u get lvl14

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icestrike is mad op

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and carries u

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i did natty monk 1-14 on softcore

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not doing it again

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wasnt f un

spice spire
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Mf said monk? I’m playing ranger

dapper cradle
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is sureki zealot's even any good

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honestly

spice spire
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Yeah monk sucks early on

simple rivet
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yo why do i keep getting raw singing citrine this week? i've got 3, if use all of them my ring will be at 658

novel star
spice spire
novel star
dapper cradle
novel star
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i played 1 day of softcore endgame and i have 6 active spirit buffs from 1 lucky body armour craft

spice spire
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I’m also not deep into it at all

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Cpu diff makes me want to Subaru when I get to certain bosses

novel star
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this node is insanely fucked up

spice spire
novel star
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this one is also really good

spice spire
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That’s insane

novel star
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gg discord administrator cev caught us

spice spire
subtle tundra
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L chatters

potent lance
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anyone know when season 2 gonna realsed?

spice spire
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Late February

potent lance
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ah kk

severe meadow
radiant raven
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Monk is cool. But Warrior is amazing (and awful initially)

spice spire
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Early is just so dogshit man

severe meadow
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Just get ice strike

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After that it’s easy mode

shell crater
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Random af question: So I have my DM and SG trinket on a macro but on the next usage the trinket is like, 5 sec behind DM. Am I being stoopid?

severe meadow
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Early game feels dogshit on most if you don’t have currency to buy twink items

fallow canopy
chrome mirage
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Both

severe meadow
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I’m only at like 5-6div invest and it does fine

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But need more levels for it to be smooth for more power charges

golden loom
fallow canopy
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I've only done arc/lightning/spark since I like the visuals but fs looks cool and more fun to play

severe meadow
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Monk is probably retired now anyway, leveling a merc

spice spire
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Assume it’s the affix doing it

vast patio
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winning.

royal lantern
vast patio
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oh.

spice spire
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Some chicken? Love jerk chicken

royal lantern
spice spire
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Gonna steal that one

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That is so fucking funny

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But also good on you for going through with jacking it January

vast patio
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decent outlaw weapon next to it but the chest was so good ;-;

urban iron
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any1 know if i can carry essence on queen mythic and skip ring with Cloak of shadows?

royal lantern
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"decent" and "outlaw" in the same sentence

urban iron
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ye, beside shadowstep, you tried cloak? just to make sure

fallow canopy
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if won't put you the debuff but you will still get dragged along the wave

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won't recommend

safe shale
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Whats the general feel at this point for mythic queen btw, sub or assassin?

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Curious

vital haven
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either

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w/e you like playing more

safe shale
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Aye, but is there no objectively better? top 100 just like 13 sub, but still, wondering

polar timber
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if you need webs to die for some reason sub would probably be better

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or small spiders in last phase but i feel like other classes just do that better

safe shale
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And how are others dealing with webs, if you are assassin for example. like cloak/vanish/freedom, but then you lose vanish for dps

manic sphinx
manic sphinx
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Yea, that was a rhetorical question

median igloo
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
safe shale
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No, no it wasnt

hollow river
safe shale
vagrant brook
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so you dont really lose dps

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cause the timing is almost right

manic sphinx
safe shale
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Yeah, i mean, you lose dps from master ass, on first vanish but i assume you just say f it, for first one

hollow river
fallow canopy
vagrant brook
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i still vanish 6s before KB ends

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lines up perfectly with first webs

safe shale
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The exact second

fallow canopy
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16s? maybe

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somewhere around that

safe shale
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Yeah just checking, that makes senes because Vanish would be around 17/18

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Okay, sick, didnt even notice this

fallow canopy
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looking at an old log

safe shale
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I just specced out of it into the otherwise ahah

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Yeah

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Thats hella nice

jolly fable
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in aoe, if shiv is off cd, but kingsbane is still on cooldown, do i send the shiv or save it for the kingsbane window?

strange sleet
safe shale
clever kindle
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Any big dogs got a mythic ansurek POV

upbeat gale
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
split cipher
hollow talon
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i never killed kyveza mythic how did i get this

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i have killed queen and court tho

west crown
fallow canopy
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all bosses before get unlocked as vault options

hollow talon
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o fr

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nice

split cipher
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I mean if want to let it sit off cd for 30s sure, but you still have a main target

west crown
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And it’s still not really worth it

split cipher
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Heard

spark pulsar
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Guys i've seen that people are using improved wound poison talent on ovinax, which poisons do i use then with this talent?

split cipher
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Don't talent that. My only guess is a small minority of people are taking it to get imp crippling afterwards but that's such a waste

balmy condor
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wound poison is unusable in pve

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but yeah that's very strange

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idk why you would even need superior mixture

robust juniper
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Soooooo, what professions are you guys running with rogue?

balmy condor
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the ones that sound the coolest

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I did jewelcrafting for the first time this expac, pretty neat

golden loom
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mining and herbing cause its fun to fly around picking flowers and mining ore looking at the isle of dorn sunset 🙂

strange sleet
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Yeah I run herb and mining too

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But I wish I had alchemy tho

vast patio
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my rogue is engi/skinning

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Might drop skinning for alch now that skininng mats are basically worthless, mostly for the duration buff on flasks

royal lantern
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blacksmith+enchanting

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enchanting is nice passive gold

fallow canopy
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Alchemy for the 2hr flasks

split veldt
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ive been engi/alch for over a decade

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cant lose all the engi utility

mild rock
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we taking SD and TTK now?

subtle tundra
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we've been taking those for a long time bud

mild rock
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is it better

subtle tundra
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?!?!?!?

indigo epoch
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No assas changes in 11.1 patch notes.

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Hrmph

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I mean assas is fine but w/e

hollow river
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afaik it's the same patch notes we've already seen

dense seal
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if you put caustic spatter on a target are you stuck with it on that target for the 10 seconds? or will it sawp to another target you mutilate

subtle tundra
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IT SWAPPES

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GRAAAAAAAARG

dense seal
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thank you

clever sapphire
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nicest varas moment

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preparing for S2 of tww, playing all the proc things

vital haven
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pretyt much it

simple stirrup
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Guys is it possible to evade blood gorge from 1st boss worm with evasion?

vital haven
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the suck in circle?

placid adder
abstract steppe
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In Necrotic Wake? No, Evasion doesn't work (but Monk dodge does for some reason)

slim pebble
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For court prog should I use CDs on pull or wait until first increased damage window?

steady marlin
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But you wait for first amp phase

slim pebble
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Thanks boss

golden loom
abstract steppe
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It works on the frontal, not the worms blood gorge.

golden loom
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ah gotcha

slim pebble
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Kinda want to play fatebound on court cause I hate keeping track of mark

abstract steppe
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(Most of the time if you vanish you can make it someone elses problem when they re-fixate)

final dawn
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do i see it right that during skarmorak we need to kill as many shards as possible before shield phase?

clever sapphire
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aye

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just dont kill them at once

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because they do a stacking dmg debuff on you

balmy condor
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any PTR enjoyers that I can borrow

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you just need to stand there and look pretty

bronze pike
balmy condor
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no

bronze pike
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whatserver

balmy condor
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idk is there more than one ptr server?

bronze pike
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i think im on iridikron

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nah im on fyrakk

balmy condor
bronze pike
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prayge is fyrakk

balmy condor
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I'm on vyranoth

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but should be cross-realm no

bronze pike
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kk give me a second

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idk

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meet ya in dornogol dummy area?

nova python
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he was in origrimar on stream

bronze pike
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ah

spice surge
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Dornogal dummies stink and are buggy

bronze pike
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@balmy condor where i org, i am rachella

balmy condor
bronze pike
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i had to close and reopen my cilent

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to get ot vyanoth

balmy condor
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the round hut

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with the pvvp dummy

polar timber
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wheres ptr channel for all our changes?

balmy condor
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we don't have a ptr channel

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and we don't have changes

polar timber
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😄

rocky parrot
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What is the talent that refunds all combo points on my first rupture? Feels like when I do my opener rotation my CP are refilled every time first

rocky parrot
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bone spike refunds cp? TIL

spice spire
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It grants 1+ one for each

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Yeah

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So when you open in m+ it sends all 3

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1+2+3, and any crits

polar timber
rocky parrot
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oh got it cuz of seal fate

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so seal fate + bonespike

spice spire
rocky parrot
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ty

spice spire
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Bonespike does 6 by itself

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But usually you’re filled because of sf

bronze pike
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im famous now

spice spire
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Always have been king

#

You’re known in the discs

bronze pike
#

ye haw

#

ring wont proc anymore, me and whispyr are joined together

#

forever

thorn thorn
#

We can see how good the tier is

#

It counts right?

spice surge
#

Well the tier doesnt work as it should

#

So kek

thorn thorn
frigid kestrel
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
broken chasm
#

what are the best poisons for m+?

balmy condor
#

the ones you have talented + crippling

scarlet barn
#

with sanguine blades in m+ do you use ct on bosses?

pastel cradle
#

hey is mdt required for a +12? it seems every siege im in they ask for a two shrouds

spice spire
#

No

scarlet barn
#

To Whom are you responding to

spice surge
#

You do not use CT on singletarget no

scarlet barn
#

ok thx.

spice spire
#

Both

pastel cradle
#

okay thanks, someone told me i needed mdt going forth for +12s

runic hinge
#

I have mdt and I’ve never used it and I’ve been asked for shroud exactly one time all season and it was just a ping lol

dawn heath
#

do u push any keys tho

#

otherwise it doesnt matter

#

u should be looking at routing

runic hinge
#

Nothing matters. Entropy comes for us all

dawn heath
#

to optimize cds

#

and thats kind of like a group thing to do

#

to pull optimal for the groups key level and dps to adapt so cooldown lines up well

runic hinge
dawn heath
#

well u were downplaying the importance of mdt

#

it is very relevant

spice surge
#

shrugeg Not really

#

You can convey the info in other ways

drifting cedar
#

is fan of knives more optimal than mutilate at 6 cp and dn up?

drifting cedar
#

damn I was playin wrong

#

ty Eleem

dapper cradle
#

In st or aoe though?

drifting cedar
#

how tf I always mess up something... ST

dapper cradle
#

Ah yeye

runic hinge
#

You could save your ctw proc or hope garrote is in pandemic

brazen sluice
#

whats the current max ilvl for the new ring? before eu reset

spice surge
#

652, but you can get it to that ilvl now

dawn heath
brazen sluice
#

aha kk ty

pastel cradle
subtle tundra
#

let them type shroud

#

as they are humans and can convery

#

INFORMATION

runic hinge
#

That’s a time waste. Key will never be timed with all that nonsense typing smh my head

broken chasm
runic hinge
#

Perfect

dawn heath
#

nvm

#

i thought ebonmight was based on our primary stat not the evokers

golden loom
jaunty venture
#

hey guys, completely new to assa and rogue in general. I am REALLY struggling with energy on bosses in m+. is there any advice around this? or can you point me towards any guides on how to manage energy with an aoe centred talent build? can't find much about this on wowhead/IV

spice surge
#

!design

prisma monolithBOT
#

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

  • No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
  • 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
  • You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
jaunty venture
#

so basically not 'casting' anything to maintain uptime on envenom is not bad

#

i've played relatively spammy specs before this so it feels weird

balmy condor
keen spruce
#

and yes that is why many people don't vibe with assas because it feels like you're doing something wrong by not filling all of your globals

#

but we're limited by energy instead of globals

#

so being efficient with your energy and buffs is more important

jaunty venture
#

that makes a whole lot of sense now. I just thought I'm doing something awfuly wrong running out of energy 30 secs into a boss fight

#

but baiscally i need to stop spamming envenom

bronze pike
keen spruce
#

you're gonna run out of energy

#

and that's just kinda how it is

#

but you can mitigate some of the pain

#

by playing around envenom uptime

#

instead of cramming globals

rotund oak
#

Shmeeps not being a menace moment

#

(im taking a screenshot)

jaunty venture
#

thanks shmeeps appreciate your answers

spice spire
#

thanks shmeeps appreciate your answers

rotund oak
#

thanks shmeeps appreciate your answers

jaunty venture
runic hinge
#

thanks shmeeps appreciate your answers

strange python
keen spruce
#

yw

#

fuckos

broken chasm
#

They are simulating well

#

do you recommend any other?

white orchid
#

Îs there another power creep this week in raid? or still at 14%

brave comet
#

whats stronger in mythic court, authority of the depths or radiant power?

balmy condor
# broken chasm these are my talents

those are single target raid talents yep. So the rule of poison the ones you have talented, amp poison, deadly poison, atrophic,and then crippling for the last slot cause nothing else available

brave comet
# balmy condor power everywhere

someone said here, that deathstalker's mark should be on anub in p1, in intermission 1 and phase 2 it should be on takaj, then on intermission 2 and p3 it should go back on anub, is this true?

fallow canopy
balmy condor
#

yeah sure

brave comet
#

deathstalker yes

balmy condor
#

it's always whatever boss you're hitting for the phase

#

and then just save the mark for intermission

brave comet
#

whats confusing to me is that in p3 the primary amp target is takaj right

#

since in p3 youre supposed to leave anub's amp time so you can chase takaj for dispells/pulls

balmy condor
#

most strats skip the first damage amp on anub yes

nimble tartan
#

hey guys

#

how come on logs some logs are yellow

wise atlas
#

Hi, can you clarify something for me?, the combo point skills (let's say envenom for this example) the skill description specifies the damage up to 7 combo points, any extra combo point (or the enchanced ones) are wasted beyond 7 or does it scale by the points spent on the skill?

#

Also, these talents at the end of the rogue tree make each enchanced combo point be worth 3 or 4?

midnight mist
#

so there is a warning

balmy condor
balmy condor
wise atlas
#

Then with this node would it make it 4?

coral ibex
#

no

#

it makes it 3

balmy condor
#

"as if they spent 2 additional"

#

then the talent you just linked

#

forced induction

#

says "increase the bonus by 1"

#

what is 2 + 1

spice spire
#

4

fallow canopy
coral ibex
#

lebron james

balmy condor
spice spire
runic hinge
#

Basilisk tooth

wise atlas
#

ok sorry i was confused because supercharges said it were 2 additional, so I assumed "the one I already spent, plus 2", but with that out of the way, the envenom skill scales "linearly (sorry me not speak english)" with every point spent, but the bonus of each point is the same

balmy condor
#

it is the ones you spent + 2

balmy condor
#

what is confusing about this

wise atlas
#

let's talk about the talent super charger, each enchanced is counted as 2 or 3

balmy condor
#

brother

#

you can't be serious

#

it's 2

#

supercharger says 2

#

2 additional

#

if you cast a finisher with 4 combo points

#

and you have supercharger

#

it's now 6

#

4 + 2

#

TWO

nimble tartan
wise atlas
#

ok thanks

formal harness
#

hey, just quick question, but why are the top rogues maghar now and no dwarfs anymore? isnt the dispell more worth or am i missing smth. ty ^^

spice surge
#

Some seasons yes

#

This season not particularly

formal harness
#

so as dispell isnt crazy good rn, they just go for highest sim and thats maghar? alright thank you ^^

spice surge
#

Orc and maghar are pretty identical

#

but ye

formal harness
#

ok nice ty

shy pecan
west crown
#

ST with caustic is fine on Rash right?

nova aspen
#

two?

woven shore
#

how do i write a macro for tricks

simple stirrup
#

why is whispyr called of hating 11.0.7?
Grim times for rogue?

spice surge
#

Na patch just didnt do much of anything

woven shore
#

@balmy condor u have tricks macro

spice surge
#

!tricks

prisma monolithBOT
#

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
coral ibex
#

wow that looked really difficult to do eleem

#

how did you do that

hollow river
robust juniper
#

I'm having some trouble arranging the skills on the action bars and also with key binding, like, the stance bar, on invisibility, I prefer to have the same skills that I have out of invisibility, so I can see the timers and also use the both group of skills when I get out of inv using Subterfuge talent passive, also, I have the same skill multiple time on my bars, depending of the modifier related, normal on target, shift on focus, usually, I don't know, I'm not happy about it...

runic hinge
strange python
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
hollow river
#

you can also use mod macros to have all of those functions on 1 keybind

robust juniper
#

I don't know, I'm lost, never played for reals, but I wanna improve in pvp and do arenas

robust juniper
hollow river
#

if you want to talk more we can go to the pvp channel #pvp

robust juniper
#

I gotta go right now, but I will bring it up again when on #pvp when I come back 😄

hollow river
strong holly
#

what should minimum haste % be?

spice surge
prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
sinful thicket
#

New player to wow. I'm lvl 73 on my first ever character which is a Assassination Rogue. I just got War Within and doing the Campaign. Having a big struggle on killing ads or bosses. Any tips on why that is. I'd appreciate the help.

inland cape
#

Did we get nerfed and i not see it? i feel like im doing considerably less damage all of the sudden

hollow river
#

Did you make sure to apply your poisons?

inland cape
#

lol yes

hollow river
#

You’d be surprised how often people forget

inland cape
#

ASk me how i know....I am people

hollow river
#

But to answer your question, no

inland cape
#

but thatw as first thing i checked

hollow river
#

Afaik nothing changed today at all

inland cape
#

Thank you for the Reply.

#

Yall be safe

hollow river
hexed root
#

i feel like im mega underperforming

#

do people still do log audits in this channel?

hollow river
runic hinge
sinful thicket
runic hinge
#

Build is probably fine. Rogue is just not very easy to level up. Bleed things up the best you can and use cds often

runic hinge
#

You could play the fatebound hero talent and sometimes the double tails flip from stealth will kill mobs for you too

brave comet
#

i hate how blame is obfuscated in mythic court

coral ibex
#

which parts

brave comet
#

betrayal, and also dispells

balmy condor
#

those are the most obvious things to blame on that fight

#

betray is just who wasn't in their group -> they fucked up

#

dispel is -> did it bounce? was the debuffed under boss? then it's the person it bounced to

#

if you just miss the dispel it's even easier cause the dispels are assigned and you already know which healer it is

west crown
#

Good new vid, this tier bonus is garbage unless 4 piece proc % gets buffed

brave comet
#

theyre like "this happens to you all the time, whats going on"

#

uh, this guy is suicide bombing me

balmy condor
#

I mean you don't even need video

#

y'all got logs

#

just pull up the logs

#

takes 2 seconds to check who wasn't in their group

balmy condor
cerulean walrus
#

Oh boy

#

Stovetop is on high

noble moth
#

I was told ilvl on a assassin rogue is usually king when considering upgrades. im wondering if anyone in here can tell me if this is simbait or not? i got 2 myth tier pieces drop and sim is saying to stay with my crafted. here are links to sims both aoe and ST https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/asH4MP51XMkrkTUySTUmEB https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8ZKCwwuEg1VYdTMwUgko1Y

balmy condor
#

Season 2 Tier Set PTR findings

Video for the pookies

The tier is insanely jank and probably bugged in like 5 different ways and really weak numerically and awful to play around and probably also not worth playing around and it sucks a ton I have no clue how this made it onto the PTR servers in this state, it clearly was not tested even a little bit internally.

2 Piece:

  • The 15% chance to remove can trigger from rupture/ct TICKS. This means especially in AoE, you are just instantly losing your winning streak the moment it procs (10 procs per minute)
  • The damage buff is dynamic, so no snapshotting bleeds or anything, just extra envenom damage essentially

4 Piece:

  • "A chance" = roughly 20-25% from what we could see. This is REALLY BAD. Like Horrendously bad. The worst outcome. It means that you're basically just sitting there hoping to hit a random chance that gives you no feedback outside of your weakauras blinking and pray you can make use of the 4 second window. It's asinine.
  • the "30% additional effect" part seems to actually be 50% for god knows what reason. So regular max stack -> +30%, when your 4 piece procs -> +45% (30*1.5)
  • Triggering the 4 piece actually maintains your 2 piece stacks afterwards, so you just go back to the stacks you had before, which is great, except the whole rupture/CT proccing the loss effect so you just instantly lose it again.

Clown Patch.

balmy condor
#

be like that

#

this is why we sim

spice surge
#

Surely the next patch isnt a clown patch clueless

#

He says after all the recent patches have been

#

Clowntown in here

balmy condor
#

ilvl is generally king but like, it's not an permanent rule

runic hinge
#

I don’t think it matters that much but he did sim 5 target patchwerk instead of dslice

balmy condor
#

why sim if not going to trust it

noble moth
#

am i simming wrong for rogue? im fairly new

balmy condor
#

if we can't trust the sim to compare stats then it fails at the most basic of tasks and we can just forget all knowledge of the spec and the game

runic hinge
#

Dslice is generally what people use for aoe sims

balmy condor
#

yeh

fallow canopy
#

wait

balmy condor
#

5 target 1:30 is pretty funny

fallow canopy
#

the thing gets removed by ticks as well

balmy condor
#

but m+ is generally dslice

fallow canopy
#

oh that is something

runic hinge
#

Yeah pretty siiiiiick

noble moth
#

how many targets/ time is best?

fallow canopy
#

that is one of the tier sets of all time fs

balmy condor
#

dungonslice is best

#

just use dungeonslice

runic hinge
#

Dungeon slice is its own sim you don’t do time or targets

sonic schooner
#

another whispyr pin, another great day

noble moth
#

ahhh okay thank yall. go off dragon slice for both aoe and st?

runic hinge
#

No just for aoe

balmy condor
#

single target you sim 1 target patchwerk

noble moth
#

sweet thankyou

#

last question. include BL or no for dragon slice

balmy condor
#

would you have bloodlust in your m+ group?

noble moth
#

some add pulls sure

balmy condor
#

then I guess you include blood lust

balmy condor
coral ibex
#

hahahaha fuck

runic hinge
#

Lmfaoooo

slim pebble
fallow canopy
#

should rename that shit to losing streak 🥁

ebon ingot
#

hello people, is there a macro for dm+kb+potion?

fallow canopy
coral ibex
#

you dont press dm and kb at the same time

hollow river
ebon ingot
#

ah

#

i see

coral ibex
#
/use Tempered Potion```
autumn rover
#

Saw your vid Whispyr. Back to outlaw?

slate crown
#

0% possibility of telling rn

dawn heath
#

now im fully bis

#

pog

ebon ingot
#

im 38 runs into GB and still no grace

balmy condor
#

sub tier design is actually like

#

pretty good

spice surge
#

Once they make it work kek

#

It might be fitting for the spec but im fairly sure were gonna end up either afking or casting some extraneous ruptures outside of dance to be absolutely sure we dont accidently remove all our stacks

#

The numbers are just too big to gamble a 1/7 chance to not have like 100% more damage on your sectech for a puny eviscerate outside dance

leaden bloom
#

what do you guys use for the third web break on myth queen?

spice surge
#

Stand infront of the boss

#

And get broken out by damage

runic hinge
#

Sub tier woooo

balmy condor
slate crown
balmy condor
#

if they just add rupture to the set

#

then gg

slate crown
#

at max energy?

spice surge
#

Or afk

balmy condor
slate crown
#

yes exactly

balmy condor
#

that surely can't be worth right

slate crown
balmy condor
#

spamming snd between dances would be so many wasted cp

#

and least rupture you like don't worry about maintaining it and it does damage

#

but spamming snd just sounds unreal

coral ibex
fallow canopy
#

we keep on winning

spice surge
#

An eviscerate outside cds does like 500k, during big cds it does like 3M. So dropping a like 50% buff doesnt seem that worth

#

But ye maybe not, idk its just weird that it incentivizes being afk

runic hinge
#

Yay gambling

fallow canopy
#

the tier certainly captures the negative part of gambling tho, w life lesson?

spice surge
#

Either way shit just doesnt work on the PTR so kekdog

balmy condor
coral ibex
#

getting and instantly losing the buff is just a simulation of putting money into a slot machine just for it to immediately disappear

#

very thematic!

spice surge
#

Friday-Saturday - Michelin star resturant
Rest of the week - dumpster nachos

runic hinge
#

Can I get some

brave comet
#

so is this garbage?

balmy condor
#

?

#

empowering crystal is a bis trinket

patent elk
brave comet
#

i have a mythic spyglass and hero skardyn which is irreplaceable

#

i dont think even at mythic anub is replacing skardyn

balmy condor
#

would replace the spyglass probably

#

unless you have like negative crit

dapper cradle
#

2 Piece:
The 15% chance to remove can trigger from rupture/ct TICKS. This means especially in AoE, you are just instantly losing your winning streak the moment it procs (10 procs per minute)

#

no way that's real

balmy condor
#

but idk, sim it

dapper cradle
coral ibex
#

surely they just fix it so rupture and ct ticks can only grant the buff and not cause the loss trigger

fallow canopy
coral ibex
brave comet
#

so between spyglass and anub theyre literally sidegrades

#

so yes tough week for me

dapper cradle
brave comet
#

i didnt check lmao

dawn heath
#

now i just need to spam +2's befopre i can take my vault out LUL

dawn heath
#

💀

mild rock
#

is taking SD + TTK better?

balmy condor
fallow canopy
dawn heath
#

average worgen player

ebon ingot
#

yo, minimum combo points to get most out of envenom please?

limber lion
#

5+

dapper cradle
#

5+ except if you have darkest night

#

then build to 7

ebon ingot
#

understood thank you

limber lion
#

np

slim pebble
hollow river
#

gz

fallow canopy
jade abyss
#

finaly skardyn

dapper cradle
#

gz that's yuge

#

haven't seen one at all yet

#

feels bad man

slate crown
#

cultured choice

slim pebble
#

I got brezzed into a betrayal right at the end, thats how you know it was real

dawn heath
balmy condor
#

he's fancy with it

dawn heath
#

opening vault in style

#

m+ is great

#

im playing +2s now so i can take my vault

#

(1/8) chance every time

jade abyss
runic hinge
#

I didn’t even know you could change your font in wow

dawn heath
#

Gotta play 20+ +2s before i can take my crystal from vault

#

So aids when u need to fish for a specific key

jade abyss
#

:/

slate crown
balmy condor
#

isn't it obvious?

#

he's fishing

dawn heath
#

Fishing for a specific key in my vault. So our team has 5x chances of a key we need instead of getting a bunch of random keys. So i have to run 2s in a 1/8 chance every time i run it

balmy condor
jade abyss
#

i try to time a +12 cot for a friend... but pugs are horrible in this key ._.

dawn heath
#

Last week it took 23 attempts

runic hinge
#

How do you know/change your vault key by running 2’s?

dawn heath
#

I wish they would remove it tbh but as long as its in the game people are gonna do it

#

You get a key from the end of the duengon if u dont take your vault yet

#

But if you turn off auto loot u can see which one it is

#

Without taking it

runic hinge
#

And then if it’s the dungeon you want you take your vault?

dawn heath
#

I just take it from the m+ chest

#

U get the key straight from there

runic hinge
#

Oh even in a 2 it’ll give you a 17 or 18 key?

dawn heath
#

Yes

runic hinge
#

Interesting

dawn heath
#

If you ran a 17 the week before

#

And timed it

#

So i have my bis trinket in my vault

#

But i cant take it

#

Until i find the key i want xd

hollow river
#

this sounds

jade abyss
#

sounds like a garbage system

dawn heath
#

It is

#

Shouldnt be in the game

jade abyss
#

may it would be cool to choose your key when you reach a specific level

#

like diablo 3 for rifts

#

idk

runic hinge
#

If they took it out you’re just gonna get a random one

dawn heath
#

But the best thing would be if you could pick the duengons u wanted on reset

#

Just not the level

#

Level would be based on last weeks activity or w/e

runic hinge
#

Yeah that would be cool.

grim vigil
#

if i have done the weekly quest to upgrade ring, how do i upgrade on alts? quest not showing on my alts

fickle gulch
#

Speaking to M+ alone, what is better...Spyglass or Enpowering Crystal?

#

All BIS Myth slot

balmy condor
balmy condor
grim vigil
#

oh ok thought maybe its different

#

thx

sturdy dirge
#

having such a hard time with zekvir as assassination rogue

bright tartan
#

Just assassinate big crab what’s the problem

hollow river
#

in general solo content like that may take quite some attempts, like progressing a raid boss

pastel cradle
sturdy dirge
#

thanks for the tips, ill check it out

gloomy heart
#

@balmy condor strawberry fire

#

i tried it

#

so good

runic hinge
#

I had peach today and I quite liked it

balmy condor
gloomy heart
#

gonna buy a 20pack on thursday

subtle tundra
#

damn our tier set sucks

#

i just realised we finish -> build -> maybe do 1 finisher with the 4set and its only good if you use it on envenom

#

damn it fucking sucks LOL

#

not only is it not interesting, its just bad

balmy condor
#

have you checked the video varas, it's even funnier than that

#

at least right now

#

probably getting fixed

subtle tundra
#

you put the video while i was eepy mode now im at work

#

will be a good car video though

balmy condor
#

I posted clip earlier as well very funny

#

yeah

#

this one

#

it just insta eats

#

in aoe

#

cause all the bleed ticks are doing the 15% removal check

subtle tundra
#

nice one blizz

#

can they just give use 10% bleed dmg

#

and 10% nature dmg

#

and be done

royal lantern
#

no, that would be lazy

#

so we get 10% bleed/nature dmg

#

BUT with a coodinotal attached, which totally makes it different

runic hinge
#

And the conditional happens within 10 seconds of pull and never falls off

rotund oak
#

Got crystal myth track on my vault after 100keys 10s+

#

essentially a lil bit above 1 month and a half before next patch i wanna state

#

F you blizzard 🙂