assassination

[waxen oyster]

unless its sl s4

then ignore every sv

in q

[runic hinge]

Remember when IC was a 45 second cd

[thorn thorn]

I used to take Assa rogues a lot

[shrewd night]

[thorn thorn]

Cuz they were super rare and people i invited used to play them well always

But now

[waxen oyster]

LOL

[thorn thorn]

9/10 of them I invite have been animals

[waxen oyster]

Thats like when i remember average enh pug

[fallow canopy]

alr my bad

[waxen oyster]

used to pump

or you get the guy who says

"going ele for this one, dont feel like using brain"

[thorn thorn]

My buddy used to be an enh main

but he is avoiding it like the plague this season

[waxen oyster]

its funny because like

i remember guild officers would always say

finding good enh for wft

was insanely hard

because most were kinda ass

[thorn thorn]

I do have a feral druid player that is always smoking people in overall

He doesnt have to worry about shit people playing Feral because they will never be meta

[shrewd night]

Ouch

[waxen oyster]

ret is always kinda popular

even when the spec is

average

[thorn thorn]

Bro

I had a 617 ret in a +7 NW do less overall than the prot warrior

[waxen oyster]

amirdrassil was really fucking bad

[thorn thorn]

Some of them are animals too

[waxen oyster]

with the ret infestation

yeah no rets are real bad

i check boss dam when i play tank with ret pugs

and half the time they lose

[timber meadow]

ds is more fun to press to be fair

[waxen oyster]

The vibe check with rets is kinda

if male human/belf

do not pass go

usually the good ones play dwarf for some reason

or fem human with some old hard to get mog

[bright tartan]

true af

[regal canyon]

crafting a second dagger should i pujt an embellishment on it?

or do i want my secvond embelishment to be the one that buffs my other embelishment

[runic hinge]

!craft

oh moroes is dead

uhh yeah the patch is good

[limber lion]

Second dagger is the worst slot to upgrade, so only do it if it's the last one you need

wrist/belt for the second embellishment

[rotund oak]

[lusty narwhal]

The timing on ansurek shield for kingsbane is so bad now

almost guarantee lose your mark if you shiv

[solar wyvern]

Its bad, but the alternative is you hold it and desync your cds on platform 2 so what can ya do

[lusty narwhal]

yeah im not sure what to do tbh lol

unless I forgo vanish on the 2nd deathmark

[balmy condor]

or just don't shiv?

I mean if doing something means you lose the mark for an entire phase

the solution is just like

don't do that

[jolly heath]

Why don’t just save vanish

[solar wyvern]

In my experience if you're not missing globals you usually have DN ready as she goes up

But i only played sin on it this week so idk maybe lucky

[balmy condor]

vanish would be the more important button to push during your cds

if holding on darkest night isn't an issue, would be better to forgo the shiv and not the vanish

but yeh, the easiest thing to do is just not vanish and never care anyway

[solar wyvern]

First shiv on queen, hold second shiv is probably fine too. Shield would usually break like 8-9 seconds into kb. Which sucks, but again, its get some kb value or just dont press it at all/desync it

[balmy condor]

ye

[solar wyvern]

I just used second shiv on the new add and got DN up 1 global faster haha

[agile wedge]

is it the same for FB? like we use vanish for double dipping, if i got you correctly, but i dont know how important it is?

[balmy condor]

yes

even more so for fatebound

vanish does the same for deathstalker as it does for fatebound, but fatebound has more burst, and also has an additional interaction with vanish because of the double flip

[agile wedge]

on queen for example i need to use my vanish for first break, my thought was if i cloak first i disalign with my next 2mins... 😦

[balmy condor]

so fatebound's vanish is just way stronger

yeah I mean that's normal

you vanish first break

it lines up with your opener

[agile wedge]

no by a few seconds, and if i delay cds i dont get my last kb in the queens intermission with our timing. but was only there 1 night, maybe i need to figgure out

[balmy condor]

what

should line up fine

[agile wedge]

when i do my normal opener on queen, my second envenom is 3 sec to early

cause the break follows

so i either need to delay full opener by a few gcds

or i go with no vanish for last cb env

[balmy condor]

ambush before the garrote at the start, it's cut off

I don't see the issue, you just maybe sit on the env for like 0.2 seconds or whatever

[agile wedge]

iam fb

[balmy condor]

okay and?

is that vanish not where fatebound vanishes

[agile wedge]

let me show you

[balmy condor]

you cold blood with the kingsbane

one envenom

vanish envenom

[agile wedge]

if i do vanish before second env

i dont break my root, cause its not there

[balmy condor]

yes

very simple fix

just double mut?

our timings are legit identical

you just do 1 mut, shiv, then envenom

and vanish 0.5 seconds later

just toss in another mut man

[agile wedge]

regardless of cp overcapping?

then its easy

[balmy condor]

also why are you envenoming directly after your kingsbane

where the fuck are you getting the cp for that

[agile wedge]

because for some reason, i had 6 cp

[balmy condor]

that can't be

[agile wedge]

i know

let me check other trys

[balmy condor]

but yeah idk man you just go env dm shiv kb mut mut env mut mut shiv vanish env

and it works every time

[agile wedge]

so even if second mut after kb would be a mut where i already had 5cp, you still would do it?

if vanish has higher prio for dmg, i need to do it anyway

maybe i missed a general point

[balmy condor]

I mean in this case yeah

would you rather potentially overcap a couple cp

[agile wedge]

thats nice to know

[balmy condor]

or would you rather lose like 2.5% of your total dps

[agile wedge]

and can easily fix my problem

[balmy condor]

because you fucked your edge case

[agile wedge]

ty

[vestal cliff]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dusk juniper]

Are we swapping targets in m+ opener to spread dots efficiently? I always loose my prior target

Or do we just hit one target with alle Buttons

[crystal glen]

ok hadn't realised the winning streak was only 4 seconds on the next tier ... there's gonna be so many instances of dead procs ?!

[sharp viper]

you can if you want to optimize damage at 6+ targets, at 5 or less you don't need to since IC has smart targeting

[royal lantern]

hitting 1 target means 2x garrote/2x Rupture from.stealth is 5 bleeds, which is what you want

[spice surge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[dusk juniper]

Assa is really hard to get in to. I’m playing assa for one day literally got him from fresh 80 to 620 in one day. Shits pumping leaving dungeons with 1.4 mil overall . But I feel like it’s really hard to min max

Is there plater scripts for garrote and rupture dots? This prolly would help me

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[royal lantern]

[dusk juniper]

Gotta check them out thanks.

So I understood correctly on 5-6 targets just hit one target

I kinda spamm garrote in pulls like add groups before third boss from batol

Trying to get garrote on as many targets as possible+ aoe dot spender no idea what the name was + ruptures
Is that correct or just don bother and try to get like 6 garrote targets and go on with normal rota

[golden loom]

usually you just want to 2x garrote 2x rupture into fan of knives into crimson tempest into picking your prio target that you send cooldowns into so your caustic spatter does work @dusk juniper

dont really need to overcomplicate it much past that, caustic spatter and crimson tempest should be your main damage sources, rupture/garrote are your energy source

(crimson tempest is the aoe bleed finisher, you just maintain it no need to spam)

[dusk juniper]

Okay so just no need to dot all the small targets. Even if no cds up?

[spice surge]

You can build with garrote if theres targets left without it

But you dont want to waste CP

[rancid summit]

So we shouldn't just spam fan of knives into envenom after getting garrote, rupture, and crimson tempest on most of the pack?

[spice surge]

Get 5 ruptures > CT > spatter envenoms

Thats your priority, in that order

[rancid summit]

It doesn't need to be whatever you opened up on and got desth mark on though, right? You can ambush, garrote, rupture, fan of knives, switch target, garrote, rupture, and then keep that second target to fan of knives + envenom for the caustic spatter to trigger, right?

[spice surge]

You want to hit your marked target

[rancid summit]

So how do you find your original target easily in 5+ enemies? Assuming most of the mobs are the same?

[golden loom]

just garrote and rupture that same target

[spice surge]

#assassination message

[golden loom]

Indiscriminate carnage has smart targeting

[rancid summit]

Oh, that is good to know

[crystal glen]

you can shift-tab to your last target right? I have my bleeds as mouse overs so I can spread without loosing my mark in the group of trash 😛

[golden loom]

also for example with Whispyrs plater profile its decently easy to tell which target you have marked

[crystal glen]

yup shift tab works so ambush-garrote-rupture-tab-garrote-rupture-shifttab brings you back to your mark

[rancid summit]

That is also great to know

[rancid summit]

Is this linked somewhere in the discord?

[golden loom]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rancid summit]

ohhh, that's so helpful. Thank you!

[jaunty venture]

hey guys, completely new to the class and assa spec, what poison should I use for my weapons?

mainly looking at doing m+

[sullen hollow]

check pins and check the talents, it will give it away easily

[shell crater]

amp, deadly, cripling and atrophic

but yea, looking at the guides will help you out big time 😄

[vivid elk]

heya im a new rogue, can someone tell me why my dps is so low in raid. what do i wrong https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ravencrest/skinnerman

[golden loom]

Looking at the Ulgrax fight, it looks like something went really wrong (not having mark from opener, popping cooldowns at 1min) so thats just gonna happen I guess

also on bloodhound? like on Sikran the opener seems kinda okay but idk what happend in the 2 first fights to make it that wrong

[vivid elk]

can anyone help me with my rotations

[spice surge]

This opener is not it

I'd suggest reading the guides

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[vivid elk]

ty

[novel star]

jumpscare

[humble verge]

the most goated opener ive seen

[proven jasper]

pov ur a rogue playing classic

[novel star]

ok guys be nice

i was allowed to reply to it but this is too many now

(i don’t actually care)

[dapper cradle]

Massive skardyn’s into garrote

[lament oracle]

quick question, while doing keys i sometimes end up where we have say 2-3 mobs up and my initial aoe garrotte etc is breaking off, should i then re apply it manually to all 3 or just focus on 1 target ??

[glad dagger]

!shiv

how can i get the shiv macro cast please ?

[golden loom]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[strange python]

I could be wrong but your crit seems really low. Which isn’t doing you any favors. It isn’t the main issue but it isn’t helping.

[clever sapphire]

reapplying garrote doesnt really pay off unless they are gonna live it fully. Rupture is probably up to the fact if they will live long enough or they will die in a few globals anyways, in which case spatter is just better

[lament oracle]

thank u mate 🙂

[strange sleet]

Honestly Whispyr's Plater is kinda goated. It's easy +300k dps over the regular nameplates if you are not tracking everything already with auras. It's also like +100% more kicks/stops and +300% target selection/swapping skill

[subtle tundra]

🤨

does it grow me an additional foreskin too

[royal lantern]

yes

[rotund oak]

300k dps sounds a lil bit too much ngl

but both whispyr's edit and plater are amazing for sure

[spice spire]

Yes

[subtle tundra]

always wanted a 2nd layer

[analog field]

How did you go to 620 that fast? I'm new to retail so advice would be helpful.

[strange python]

Probably a mix of war bound, carries, and a very long day.

[proven jasper]

Get some leather homies to funnel you gear in keys

[strange python]

Especially if they can carry you easily in bigger keys to farm guilded for crafts.

[proven jasper]

Yep yep

[golden loom]

for people with alts you have access to many enchanted runed crests via renown so you can craft 619 gear

[strange python]

Not guilded but yes if you have all the renown’s high enough

[golden loom]

oh yeah sorry, meant runed 😄

[strange python]

All good =p. The only one whose name I can remember is guilded so I get it.

[jolly heath]

is anyone else playing with aug evoker in NW and the last boss still send aug down even when there is another dps with him?

[humble verge]

does anyone know a mouse-over macro with step?

[rotund oak]

..

[golden loom]

#showtooltip Shadowstep
/use [@mouseover,exists,noharm,nodead][@target,exists,nodead]Shadowstep
I use this but it only allows me to mouse over to friendly targets

[rotund oak]

this^

thank the lord,was bored typing

[humble verge]

i found this, but i havent tested it yet

gonna try it out for queen

[limber lion]

What exactly is the function or cleartarget and targetlasttarget there?

[humble verge]

i would assume to keep attacking queen

and not having to mouse over to attack her

[limber lion]

But the entire point of mouseover macros

Is that you don't need to change targets

[humble verge]

but its not changing targets

[limber lion]

Both of those lines are redundant

[humble verge]

afaik

[limber lion]

Yes it's not

They're doing literally nothing

The second line is all you need

Nothing else

The one posted above is the one most people use, or something akin to that

but even there exists, no harm and nodead are all pretty redundant

[humble verge]

yeah ok that one actually works

the one i had didnt even lmao

[limber lion]

It's fine for other spells that would otherwise automatically target you, like a heal

[humble verge]

made no sense

[limber lion]

But we don't have that

[humble verge]

yeah

[limber lion]

/cast [@mouseover]Shadowstep; Shadowstep

Is basically all you need

Or if you literally only ever want to mouseover, then you remove the second Shadowstep entirely

[golden loom]

yeah honestly idk why I have mine to be friendly only, think it has fucked me over at some points

[rotund oak]

mouseover macros is typically mouseovering the target u want to step on,u can still have the target u are hitting

[golden loom]

but just copied it from somwhere cause I couldnt get my own to work

[limber lion]

Just remove the "Noharm" from it

[golden loom]

yee

[dusk juniper]

anybody got a caustic spatter plater script? i really dont like the plater profiles from !wa

like when u get garrote on it changes color when u have rupture on it aswell it changes when u got caustic aswell it chagnes again

[rotund oak]

this is basicly it,it steps on the target u mousover

rest is garbage

[limber lion]

What's wrong with the plater profiles there?

[dusk juniper]

i just dont like how they look

[limber lion]

You can just add more scripts for Garrote and Rupture if you really need the color changing functionality for some reason

You shouldn't have any use for them honestly with how IC works nowadays

[dusk juniper]

yea im trying rn 😄 i just dont understadn how

[limber lion]

Multidotting manually is essentially redundant nowadays

[limber lion]

You can just change how they look yourself

Just play around with the settings

We worked hard on the scripts and the mods there, so there's a lot of functionality

If it looks like shit to you, you can just change how it looks and keep the functionality

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[limber lion]

You are allowed to edit them yourself :P

[dusk juniper]

yea im just not good at editing weakauras wtfc

etc*

[spice spire]

If you have questions @slate crown is really awesome at answering and finding a solution

I’m also very bad at it, she’s helped me several times

[brittle elm]

hey guys my single target feels really mediocre, although i feel like i am following the guides and been practicing but in M+ i pull around 1m-1.1m at 634 which feels pretty meh, can you point me to a decent video where i can see some min/max and what i am doing wrong

[dawn seal]

hey

I need to ask a solid question

for assasination enojyers

does blind remove the dots

we put

[clever sapphire]

nah

[dawn seal]

[clever sapphire]

you are specced assa, thats the first mistake

assa ST in keys sucks ass

[brittle elm]

it feels pretty meh but isnt assa the spec to go in keys?

[subtle tundra]

it is. he means for ST assa is bad

[clever sapphire]

ye because uncapped aoe and you have aoe dmg every pull, thats why i specifically said ST

[subtle tundra]

if you expect high ST you should change specs

[runic hinge]

I think sub has pretty good ST

[brittle elm]

ah got it but then again i watch some random dude (not so random) doing +18 and hes pulling shit ton of ST damage

and it leaves me wondering

[clever sapphire]

in +18 you get multiple cooldowns, an aug and pot like every boss

[brittle elm]

so this makes up for like 700-800k dps?

[shrewd night]

When using comparisons you should pick scenarios that are as equal to your own as possible. Comparing a lada to a ferrari isnt the way to go.

[brittle elm]

i am talking about 12-13s here

[subtle tundra]

show me where an assa rogue does 1.7mil ST

spoiler alert

you cant

[limber lion]

Yeah doesn't sound plausible

I hope we're not talking about burst and the first 15s of combat here

Because that doesn't matter

[spice spire]

I compare us all the time and you’re way out of my league king

[subtle tundra]

probably watched a boss onto which you pull mobs/has adds

[spice spire]

Or like

[brittle elm]

ok fair enough yeah it was the first boss in COT

[spice spire]

First boss of siege

Oh yeah

You always pull smalls

[brittle elm]

yes indeed

[spice spire]

And it’s mega free

Dam

[brittle elm]

so like 1-1.1m in ST is okayish?

[spice spire]

Likely yeah depends on a lot but our damage just isn’t in st.
We bring the aoe

[brittle elm]

yeah fair enough no complaints there haha

[rotund oak]

if u can consistently do 1m ST dps u are good in m+,sometimes more than good.Sin isnt rly the ST pumper spec in keys

if u want ST sub does more

loses by far to sin in any ''aoe'' scenario

or more like cleave

[brittle elm]

got it thanks, tho i would still appreciate any materials on how to min max single in both raid and M+, feels like these days good youtube material is scarce

[rotund oak]

i think whispyr's guide is more than enough

[subtle tundra]

there really isnt much to minmax

[shrewd night]

For raids, link logs.

For m+, meow for each fifteenth ability for more dps.

[brittle elm]

meow

[subtle tundra]

really important to have a 2nd monitor for m+ though

[radiant raven]

Oh is that the secret to doing more M+ DPS? taking notes

do I need to put the meow in a /say macro or

[golden loom]

i just look at whispyrs raid logs and just copy his rotation blindly

[shrewd night]

There is a weakaura that can do it for you

[spice spire]

Insane glazing

[golden loom]

[shrewd night]

https://wago.io/yQQL9hd3E

Just change the settings to make it more often

@stuck knoll

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/eow-cat-meow-cent-cent-zentrim-gif-12378402797582048035

[spice spire]

Koffing just my constant #1 opp

Promoting meowers

[shrewd night]

what do you want from me, Im camping the last rare I need in nazjatar

And for once my classbar is yellow

[spice spire]

So you have mental Illinois

Nazjatar

[brittle elm]

ok https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HCvWAYxn8ZbFykL9?fight=86&type=damage-done

this is my first M Rasha as a rogue, like i didnt expect to perform perfectly ofc but i felt like i did right, not according to logs tho xd

[spice spire]

Which one

[fringe crater]

Dumb question, how do I make my macro also work on my focus target? Do I just add an [@focus] part to it and that's it?

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, nodead, exists][@target, nodead, exists][@player] Shadowstep

[radiant raven]

Nazjatar was a cool zone.

[brittle elm]

Kílluà

[shrewd night]

The fuck are those augs doing

[fringe crater]

Or alternatively, how do I make it work on a raidframe or focus / target frame?

[royal lantern]

can we delete aug :3

[strange sleet]

Honestly it depends a lot on the fight duration and the comp you have. The longer it goes, the less DPS you will do. Also it depends on you gear, if you are full mastery/crit with no haste at al, you probably also will do less.

My recomendation is to go to raidbots and sim urself in the target dummy for a 5 minute fight. Then go to the target dummy and if you are -50k DPS you are pretty good. Otherwise check the sample rotation and damage profiles of the simulation to see where you might be missing something

[shrewd night]

There is no shot

What kind of scuffed raidcomp is this where you have three augs

[brittle elm]

pug xD

[golden loom]

try to deathmark -> shiv -> KB instead of shiv -> deathmark -> kingsbane

[brittle elm]

yeah thats something i work on right now but i fat finger it sometimes

[spice spire]

I’ve found the line

When are you pressing your finishers

[golden loom]

also rashanan can be a bit weird, like 6m spatter damage sounds a bit unlucky

[spice spire]

If the answer is 7 only

That’s your issue

[brittle elm]

yeah i cant remember how i did it on this kill, but i did have doubts about whether i should use always 7 or as soon as its 5, ive cleared this since then and i use it as soon as its 5

[spice spire]

5+ outside of dn is the rule and is the best use

During darkest night you’ll waste some

[golden loom]

how do you see that

[spice spire]

But this is a ton of extra finishers

[spice spire]

Resources > combo points

[brittle elm]

yeah i do have a lot to learn still havent played since cata and this feels like a different game now xd i expected to log in and be awesome at it again

[iron carbon]

Just don't waste cp as rogue, unless specific rule

[shrewd night]

@spice spire its aight I got this while waitingh

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

Hell yeah king

[shrewd night]

[brittle elm]

Thanks for the pointers guys ill work on it ^^

[wheat bridge]

Is Windsinger gem undersimming compared to skipper, if other people are running skipper?

or is skipper generally better, i dont see a pin on this

I know skipper sims assuming 4 other people with ring are in your party

[spice spire]

Second pin look at the picture

[shrewd night]

The one that doesnt load?

[spice surge]

No the sims are correct

[wheat bridge]

Yes saw that, but is windsinger sims assuming other people in your party are running skipper or not, and if so wouldn't that be beter

[spice spire]

It loads for me?

[shrewd night]

"This content is no longer available."

[spice spire]

Damn

[spice spire]

Skill issue ig

[shrewd night]

Damn so the image says the same thing as the text

[pure moth]

Loads for me to

[elder kiln]

Hey guys, starting to try some nw 17+, anyone has experience with swapping spec for the 2 last bosses ? my question is, is it worth going sub ST or assa ST ?

[worldly bridge]

Oi we're finally tacling Ansurek. Is there any shenanigans we can do to pump non stop during intermission ? (can we ignore pull)

[shrewd night]

Shadowstep dks afaik

[golden loom]

I still wanna know if u can cloak the pull in at 1 second but havent tried it myself yet

[tawdry forum]

yo guys whats the best race atm for rogue overall raid and m+?

[worldly bridge]

do u mean shadowstep on afriend before the pull ?

[shrewd night]

after pull

[fallow canopy]

after

[worldly bridge]

Do u make a macro for this or the timing is fine and u just get pulled, look around and shadowstep ?

[stuck knoll]

spreading the good word

[fallow canopy]

as long as you move a little bit preemptively

it should be fine

you are going to get yoinked initially so beware of that

[ember mural]

bruh

did quake tell you about the chadmeow

[shrewd night]

quake doesnt tell me shit anymore

[strange sleet]

You have 3. Magar Orc, Orc and Nelf

For assa

[subtle tundra]

dwarf too

[golden loom]

human bis

[iron carbon]

You can ss the boss

[fallow canopy]

whatever looks cooler bis

[golden loom]

ye thats why human is bis

[worldly bridge]

ohh i see ss doesnt bring us in kill range ? the pull is a 1 time action, not a channel ? cant remember

[bold tulip]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[fallow canopy]

it puts you in front outside of the nom nom area

[iron carbon]

It negate the big pull, you keep being lightly pulled but you're few yard away from kill range so you have time to move backward

[fallow canopy]

as long as you wait for the yoink first it is safe to step

[iron carbon]

Just need to shadow step mid flight

[worldly bridge]

aight thx

[foggy thicket]

!shiv

[royal lantern]

what do you wanna know about shiv?

general usage?

[spice spire]

Bro Batman couldn’t beat this one out of me

Chad meow is my 9/11

[spice spire]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[shrewd night]

@ember mural spill the beans

[spice spire]

Do not

[rotund oak]

plz do

[ember mural]

[shrewd night]

It would be a shame if this was the only sound on the ravenholdt soundboard

[spice spire]

Buddy I’m going to kiss you on the lips

[timid vortex]

would anyone here be willing to help out with a log review? :-)

[runic hinge]

quake would

[timid vortex]

parsing greys on mythic first 4 on my rogue at 626ilvl not sure what im doing wrong

[golden loom]

send it

[timid vortex]

tryina pull it from my profile 1sec

thanks

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WZ3nRNkjALb6G9tg?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=20

[bronze pike]

spill THIS

[shrewd night]

No crafted weapon, 626 average is straight up dog with uncapped crests, no trinket to further emphasize burst windows

[timid vortex]

is it literally just a gear thing

[shrewd night]

It certainly helps

[subtle tundra]

this vanish is wrong!

[golden loom]

Hmm first impressions of the Sikran fight, rotation looks fine, in 2nd deathmark you would rather vanish for kingsbane end window and not before casting deathmark, but gear is also not great

[subtle tundra]

i think...

but you certainly dont vanish before the 2nd shiv

[timid vortex]

i thought you were meant to vanish on the epidemic timer during ur opener?

it's about 7 sec right?

[subtle tundra]

you vanish for KB

crit chance

[golden loom]

usually it lines up as shiv -> vanish -> garrotte in the opener

[subtle tundra]

and on opener it just lines up aswell

if you did the opener correctly

[golden loom]

but the idea is to vanish for KB crit

[timid vortex]

KB being?

[golden loom]

kingsbane

[timid vortex]

ah ok

[golden loom]

cause the damage ramps so you want the Master Assassin crit chance (from stealth) to be active during the final ticks of KB

[subtle tundra]

just cause garrote is glowing it doesnt mean you HAVE to refresh it, it means you can refresh it without losing anything

[golden loom]

but in general I would say its more of a gear issue

[timid vortex]

ah i see i was under the impression that vanish was purely to have improved garrote up through the duration of deathmark

didnt consider the crit

[golden loom]

it just should line up nicely automatically 👍

[timid vortex]

thx :-D

as for gear i would assume skardyns grace + some crest grinding would go a long way?

[golden loom]

btw on Sikran, when did you cloak?

[subtle tundra]

weapon too

[golden loom]

if you really want to, you can cloak at 1 seconds remaining when he does his sweep to get a little more uptime 😎

[subtle tundra]

also, you have no sockets

[timid vortex]

ah it looks like i neglected to cloak

[supple compass]

I know it’s super early but is there any reason besides random numbers tuning that might see this spec drop out of the key meta

[shrewd night]

Random numbers tuning is all that matters

[subtle tundra]

assa rn has dogshit m+ ST
if assa is badly tuned in raid, it has 0 chance for m+

but yea, thats still numbers

[supple compass]

I kinda want to pick it up but seeing as all it brings is dmg and tankiness it seems really risky

[subtle tundra]

thats literally how the meta is formed

those are the deciding factors

[shrewd night]

If you are pushing keys you should be flexible enough to go for whatever is meta when the meta is decided, not pick something way ahead of the season.

[supple compass]

Well I mean previously it was raid buffs

[iron carbon]

Cuz assa is meta?

I missed something?

[supple compass]

It’s pretty meta ya lol

[subtle tundra]

yes and no
when you look at a meta you start listing what it brings

but like... every meta brings stuff

you used to say ermmm sub meta cause funnel

[golden loom]

For rashanan I would also run caustic spatter, has potential to pop off if adds are well placed

[supple compass]

I miss sub meta

Paying for it’s sins in legion

[subtle tundra]

i miss being happy

[supple compass]

And s1 bfa

[subtle tundra]

?

not really

since the rework it has been great

every season almost

[supple compass]

Ya but not meta

[subtle tundra]

it was meta in shadowlands

[supple compass]

When

[subtle tundra]

in like half the season

s2 and s3

[iron carbon]

Sub has been the most meta spec of rogue since sl

[timid vortex]

those still count on parses?

[iron carbon]

Yes, but not cocoon ppl

[timid vortex]

ah oki thx

[golden loom]

I hope so 😎

[timid vortex]

lel

[golden loom]

but also internal bleeding is kinda fkin awful, gotta kill the boss to parse as well you know

[fallow canopy]

damage on the adds is kinda irrelevant too so up to you

[iron carbon]

8% ?

Wtf

[golden loom]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JwLpaj3hbKCHyR4V?fight=27&type=damage-done beauty of pugs

[iron carbon]

Kekw

I understand

[subtle tundra]

boss is a joke who cares

[timid vortex]

dunno i just find trying to set up pad on the adds tedious and pointless

[subtle tundra]

no set up

just play normally

[fallow canopy]

also true

[golden loom]

but also add damage is singular focus damage so it almost catches internal bleeding (not really but still)

[subtle tundra]

and if it happens, cool

[iron carbon]

Bro, just play normally, it will deal more than IB

IB is like 0.2-0.3 % more dps

[subtle tundra]

not when my guild plays pixel perfect to pad on adds

dirty fucking padders

[iron carbon]

Fcking Fury Warriors

[fallow canopy]

at the end of the day it doesnt matter so play whichever of the 2 you feel like does more, w feelcraft on an irrelevant boss

[marsh storm]

Heya, got a log i'd like to share. I got an idea on where to improve, but would be open to pointers. That cool?

[iron carbon]

I can check later tonight

[golden loom]

yeah feelcraft is kinda real life BIS tho, getting big dopamine from seeing spatter damage

like are you ever in a situation when you think "wow that internal bleeding is popping off"

[marsh storm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AmZBVyv1Jp42NQkD?boss=-2&difficulty=0&type=summary

What i think i should improve:

• Awkward pandemic bleeds and envenoms
• Kingsbane rotation not consistent (Shiv ‘after’ Kingsbane, instead before)
• Not using shiv outside Kingsbane
• Awkward vanishes, mostly used to spread bleeds
• Maybe some more better garrotte’s spread?
• Almost, but not yet, 100% ruptures
• Awkward use of Cloak

[fallow canopy]

not really but also don't do it either for caustic

[timid vortex]

sorry just doublechecking with regards to log review above, vanish should be used for the last 6 sec of KB on opener, so shiv>vanish>garrote, and on the next deathmarks this is also the case? or would i rather have improved garrote up a bit longer throughout the deathmark? also on fights like queen p3 where you end up having to reapply the hero talent mark, is it correct to vanish>ambush>garrote>deathmark or still push your vanish further down the window?

[marsh storm]

Yea i had that chat with Whispy a bit ago. Mythic+ vanishes are good for trash bleeds mostly and used as normal during bosses (without to many adds)

if i understood that correctly

[golden loom]

first of you should not be losing your mark on queen, just hold darkest night if shield is close to breaking and keep transfering it between adds on platform etc and then back onto queen

[timid vortex]

o that makes sense lol

[golden loom]

same as for ulgrax, you dont slam darkest night when he is about to dissapear 😄

but yes if you for whatever reason lose it, you 100% vanish ambush ASAP to get it back

[timid vortex]

alright, thanks

[shadow nimbus]

Hello I’m looking for a maccro to use my trinket and lethal mark at the same time, however I am not very good in maccro, could you help me?

[timid vortex]

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use 13
/use 14
/cast Deathmark

[iron carbon]

It remember me a bloodbound fight where I didn't apply the mark for 2 minutes

Kinda awkward

[timid vortex]

13 and 14 are your first and 2nd trinket slots from top to bottom

[golden loom]

I have also thrown up on my keyboard during ulgrax opener once

[iron carbon]

Kekw

[marsh storm]

lol

[golden loom]

was somehow a 74 parse playing without mark entire P1

[iron carbon]

Lemme find the log

[marsh storm]

Also i WoWanalyzer any good to check logs?

[iron carbon]

Didn't check for months, but it should be okay

[iron carbon]

52% missing it for 2m30

What a troller

[limber lion]

No

It is good for giving a very rough estimate

And pointing out very obvious mistakes

But for deeper, more indepth stuff it's not super great

[marsh storm]

yea i figured, since it doesn't really take in account movement and boss mechanics and such

[raven wyvern]

roughly how many seconds overlap should i have of twist the knife? is this mainly a thing for during CD's that you dont think about and outside of them you just focus on having rapid injection up?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[raven wyvern]

great, thanks. feel so starved for energy sometimes. in my head i was trying to get a few seconds of overlap on envenom outwith cds

[marsh storm]

Still wanna check?

[marsh storm]

this log

[iron carbon]

Yep, I'm just back home

[iron carbon]

First I can see you don't use shiv as you should

[marsh storm]

you probably mean the shiving before Kingsbane, or not shiving between kingsbanes?

[iron carbon]

Shiv when 8 sec last on kingsbane

here, on first boss, you KB (red) at 6:17 and shiv (yeallow) at 6:19

@balmy condor Can you open a thread pls?

[limber lion]

You can just do it here, it's fine

There's no traffic

Gets a bit iffy if there's 20 people talking at the same time, but now that it's dead, it's fine

[balmy condor]

Leonthar

[spice spire]

I can also just

Yeah

[iron carbon]

Sorry, just swa Whispyr online, I was sure he could 😛

[sharp viper]

damn, court kinda sucks

[iron carbon]

Thanks

[marsh storm]

thanks

[sharp viper]

hard

[balmy condor]

Yes

[spice spire]

Me when whispyr dms me at 4:25 am

[oblique wasp]

Hello everyone, is it possible to ask here for quick review of my logs? I really didn't do well and I am struggling to read the important info from the log 😦
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y9vmRqjb3aXBHPgL?fight=10&type=damage-done&source=11

[plush umbra]

just out of curiousity, what is the reason for seemingly nobody playing fatebound on any boss?

[subtle tundra]

CAUSE IT SUCKS!

[spice spire]

It’s good on ST exactly only
so for two fights

[plush umbra]

but even those 2 fights there's very few people playing it

[slate crown]

It's boring

[subtle tundra]

cause nobody bothers

to swap hero talents

[slate crown]

people can have subject reasons for doing things

[dense cloud]

anyone knows why tf my log says unknown zone and it doesnt actually show the full complete log?

[slate crown]

Doesn't have to be a "X is better in Y situation" as the answer

[subtle tundra]

and then you play it and low roll and do bad dps

[manic quartz]

Ahh its finally over, queen is dead

[spice spire]

False

Objective only

[thorn thorn]

Based asf

[dense cloud]

how tf do i change this on warcraftlogs? xd

[slate crown]

objective this

(I don't have nitro)

[coral ibex]

i got you lis

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

sass me again bud and I'll objectively steal ur cat

[balmy condor]

Need someone to objectively steal my heart

[runic hinge]

[spice surge]

Im afraid ive only specced into breaking hearts

[thorn thorn]

Only Auto Tea malders break my heart

[spice spire]

on my way king

[limber lion]

ree auto tea

[bright willow]

any usefull WAs - for something like that im stealthed?

[limber lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

Yeah I saw an m+ streamer say that stealing hearts sims higher but in practice during keys isn’t really necessary because as you get to higher keys the execute from stealing hearts just isn’t worth as much and they’d rather have breaking hearts for more single target

Idk though could be wrong

Like and subscribe for more m+ brainrot facts

👍

[spice surge]

Ye Elton john and kiki dees guide said to dont go breaking my heart

But top runs have it, so idk

[balmy condor]

I just copied this heart from archon idk what stealing or breaking is

[coral ibex]

show me one single top log where they don't minmax their heart steals per minute

[strange surge]

is it correct in keys to reset combat every time and not chain pull? if you have an assassin in the group

seem like a dps loss for everyone else

[balmy condor]

chaining is better for dps

[spice spire]

you should chain

[cerulean walrus]

@balmy condor I’ll steal your heart just like auto tea steals my charges

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[gusty mirage]

sure thing ohio man

[cerulean walrus]

Homme de L’Ohio

[sharp viper]

the new fragrance by Chânel

[gusty mirage]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Gang

[drifting cloud]

gang gang

[strange surge]

how much dps would an assassin gain, if he got a reset in a 2min fight. Lets just say, 1 extra vanish

[balmy condor]

a couple percent

[strange surge]

lets just take an extreme... if there was 3 assassin DPS in the group, would it now be correct to reset between pulls?
(obviously you reset if the fight is a few seconds from ending, but in most cases..)

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

depends on too many factors like the upcoming pull size or how much time you're gaining from chaining and the health of the mobs in the current pack

but if it's like a good chain pull, probably not

[strange surge]

ok so this guy is completely cooked then for reporting me..

i was doing a key boost and he had me replaced for being toxic

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean it's a common misconception about assa that's been going on for almost a decade at this point

that chain pulling is some sort of anti-christ

very easy to read talents and go "IT SAYS FROM STEALTH, IT NEEDS STEALTH, MY STEALTH"

and just turn your brain off and not recognize that pulling more enemies faster is also a dps gain

stealth is good obviously, you get damage

[livid jacinth]

idk bout you but i hate manually dotting shit when my vanish is on cd

[iron carbon]

Just a clown

[balmy condor]

but no serious group should be letting the rogue restealth

[bronze pike]

guys a cloiwn for being a rude and reporting for dumb shit

but chain pulling shouldnt be a issue

at all

so

[balmy condor]

I enjoy manually dotting but I also don't really care what you hate because I'm talking about numbers here

[bronze pike]

math> feels

[livid jacinth]

Idk really care what you enjoy either lol

[coral ibex]

less time out of combat = more time in combat = more time doing damage = more damage

[livid jacinth]

i don't*

[bronze pike]

chain pulling isnt really something thats needed

nor should be a thing in serious groups

[balmy condor]

[bronze pike]

active int if your making your group not chain pull correctly

[strange surge]

there are alot of cases where you do a pull, a few mobs live much longer than the rest, so you just take em onto next pack.

Maybe in good coordinated groups, things die more at the same time. But people dont see the difference between nameplates in most keys

[bronze pike]

dude was just being a goober for reporting you for toxicity

[loud trench]

Prolly posted it on Reddit comp too

[bronze pike]

but then again tis a purple so not surprised by the lack of braincells

[coral ibex]

if you spend the whole dungeon dragging single mobs with 5% health left into a new group ill be a little mad about it but im not gonna type anything ill just try to kill the straggler before i get in combat with the next pack

[balmy condor]

rem you are confusing the hell out of me ngl

[coral ibex]

or in short, skill issue

[balmy condor]

but yes chain pull good, dps gain, faster key

[strange surge]

in case you wanna read it

[balmy condor]

rogue is dumb

[bronze pike]

were agreeing on the same thing

[strange surge]

the screenshot is for this

[bronze pike]

i just think the dh is being a bit of a ass

[hollow river]

nalv is the dh, the rogue was the one who reported him. is what im getting out of this

l0l

[bronze pike]

oh

[royal lantern]

the funny thing is also

i pug ALLOT for weekly keys

and the mythical "I CAN NEVER STEALTH!!!" is just...not true lol

[bronze pike]

OH

LMAO

[hollow river]

lmfao

[strange surge]

oh yea sure, if its a few seconds from ending i hold off

[bronze pike]

god im so cooked

[royal lantern]

like, in most keys the tanks are doing 1-2 packs->wait until everything is down->pull next

[coral ibex]

any rogue with a brain will be happy about Actual Chain Pulling

[royal lantern]

ye

[hollow river]

yeah the dude is just dumb

[royal lantern]

and if its a shity "6% into next pack and you are in combat for some reason" situation, w/e

it doesnt even happen "all the time omg" like they all act

again, in most shity pug keys its 3-4x in the entire run at best

[runic hinge]

we got 2 charges of vanish now idk how often I can't just open from stealth at all anymore

[royal lantern]

unless im giga lucky and never have it happening

which i somewhat doubt is the case

[bronze pike]

ya this dude is dumb

the rogue

i understand now

i am big brained

[runic hinge]

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-celebrating-happy-sick-gif-10268941876169422782

[runic hinge]

it's okay you play ret you don't need a brain

[bronze pike]

pay no attention to me, just dying from whatever flu thats going around rn

real

[strange surge]

im not one to speak usually, i didnt say anything until he brought out the "i told you 4 times" card

[bronze pike]

your fine, i was the one being a dumb

for lack of reading comprehension

rogue was being a ass

[strange surge]

luul

ill just bedge, and link this discord if a mod dms me tomorrow

[coral ibex]

anyway

[royal lantern]

mate, thats not how you act on the internet wtf

admiting mistakes? you double down

[coral ibex]

anyone typing like that in an m+ dungeon is cooked

if you are mad and typing in m+ you are cooked

[strange surge]

yea and when enough evidence stack up against you, you press vanish

[balmy condor]

on cd cause chain pull

[strange surge]

LUUL

[bronze pike]

real im sorry

[strange surge]

oh wait, isnt nightelf goated for rogues due to shadowmeld?

[royal lantern]

no, then you tell everyone that THEY are wrong

[fallow canopy]

never say sorry bro this is the internet

[bronze pike]

i need to double down

cause if i admit my mistake i lose credability

[thorn thorn]

Most people who play with rogues dont know head from ass

[bronze pike]

and people endlessly bring it up

[balmy condor]

yes and no, yes because in theory it is goated, no because in practice it's a buggy nightmare and doesn't let you actually stealth half the time and you gotta turn into a gargoyle to avoid it breaking early and it's just a headache

[golden loom]

Honestly if you cant get re-stealth when like 2 mobs are on 5% hp and ur tank is running to next pack, its a skill issue

[bronze pike]

just press stealth bro

i have vanish every 30seconds as outlaw

so ya

skill issue sin

[strange surge]

i some times use it as a last resort as tank too, forgive me... and yea i can confirm its unreliable at best 😄

[bronze pike]

more jumpies as vdh

[balmy condor]

yeah so the thing about it is that just pressing meld isn't good enough for us, we have to meld, let it drop combat, then stealth, and only then do we get the combat benefits

[royal lantern]

shadowmeld doesnt count as stealth, it counts as shadowmeld, aka many stealth interactions dont work

you can in theory shadowmeld->stealth, but that doesnt work on bossfights by desing cus you are always in combat during a boss fight, and on trash its REALLY wonky if it works or not

[strange surge]

true, i didnt play SL S1 veng, so i never got used to that 😄

[strange surge]

cant you meld > stealth tho?

oh

you typed that

nvm i should read everything before replying

[royal lantern]

and thank god for that, imagine if playing a shity elf would actually be borderline required

[strange surge]

night elfs are hot. One of 4 approved races in the game

[royal lantern]

the 2nd biggest mistake of sylvanas

was not finishing the job

[runic hinge]

I'd let her finish me off

[balmy condor]

brother

[thorn thorn]

Caught being horny on main

Crrazy

[spice surge]

Panda male

[strange surge]

my name comes from night elf wtf, you're dissing my people!

Nightelf > Nelf > (translated elf to norwegian, alv) > Nalv

[spice surge]

If you say anything else, youre objectively wrong

[royal lantern]

tbh

i went from "worgen cus alliance" to "man, darkflight+sprint stacking is so much fun" since the last patch

150% movement speed LETS GOOOOOOOO

[balmy condor]

tf is darkflight

[royal lantern]

worgen racial

40% ms

[balmy condor]

oh

[royal lantern]

they made it stack with other ms increases in the shity island patch

[mortal badger]

w rgen

[royal lantern]

and reduced the cd to 1,5min cd

[royal lantern]

outrunning mounts is fun

[balmy condor]

this fat fuck has a full 1k more io than I do

unreal

[golden loom]

Imagine playing a panda

[spice surge]

Unfortunately im not playing panda

Simdps loss too big

[royal lantern]

imagine playing a shit elf

[spice surge]

But im an enjoyer of Gleeful Glamour - Pandaren

[royal lantern]

atleast people that play human admit that they are generic fuckers

[golden loom]

I play humans and voidelf (cool)

[spice surge]

1k more brainrot

[royal lantern]

people that play any form of elf act as if they are special

[thorn thorn]

I used to play human until diplomacy was changed to dogshit

[balmy condor]

I think it's actually closer to 800 idk

what's the io for all 10's in time and then a little more

like 2600?

2700?

I think I might've done a single 11

[spice surge]

HKPgodx

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/stallipiano-gif-8633409668543310298

[royal lantern]

probs 2,7k?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-puke-puke-vomit-kitty-vomit-cat-vomit-gif-10902081098279086080

[golden loom]

Best part about void elf is that it starts at lvl 10 so you can insta jump into dungeonfinder when making new alts

[scarlet barn]

in the ovi fight since I have CT. for the opener should I get CT up in my next set of points after rupture? or should I use Envenom first then CT

[balmy condor]

envenom first

cause in your opener you only have 1 target

and you wouldn't press CT anyway

[spice surge]

There shouldnt be any adds in the opener

[scarlet barn]

so then CT would go up with the shiv, kingsbane

[spice surge]

So you wouldnt CT ye

[scarlet barn]

so CT isn't worth it in ST?

[balmy condor]

no

[scarlet barn]

at all to have up

[balmy condor]

2+ only

[scarlet barn]

okay I've been wasting

[balmy condor]

it's 40% weaker in single target

cause the target scaling it has

[scarlet barn]

when I use it during add phase should I always wait it out then reapply

there's never a situation where I would prematurely reapply it?

[balmy condor]

nah it's a bleed, just pandemic it

[scarlet barn]

I feel like in some cases I only get one set of adds so I feel compelled to CT again to get more

so it might be more of a positioning issue

[balmy condor]

unless you whiff like over half the adds probably wouldn't bother using CT again

[royal lantern]

guys, i skipped 2 weeks cus of vacation, whats the ring ilvl rn?

[scarlet barn]

envenom with spatter would do more damage in this case

[balmy condor]

49?

[royal lantern]

649?

[scarlet barn]

using fan of knives as a builder

[balmy condor]

I think

[golden loom]

649

[royal lantern]

k, thanks

[bronze pike]

yo same

[bronze pike]

why are you posting the bis pokemon

raichu> every other electric type

on god

[scarlet barn]

female orcs are bis for hotness

[royal lantern]

https://youtu.be/-sMQpWCNTQw?si=fb0tHm1xUWZbVRU4 fem orc enjoyers

[scarlet barn]

🤝

thx for help btw

[torn herald]

parsing

[mortal badger]

✋🤚

[royal lantern]

the best part is

how it feels WAAAAAY longer then 1min

[thorn thorn]

🤨

[severe sparrow]

female mechagnome bis hotness

[mortal badger]

your mom bis hotness

[slate crown]

haha noooo you wouldn't dare break into my house while I'm home and pin me down before taking something from me haha nooooooo

[spice spire]

Dog WHAT

[balmy condor]

lisonna is just like me holy

incredibly based and real

[spice spire]

Dog WHAT pt 2

[thorn thorn]

Everybody being caught horny on main what in the world

[runic hinge]

theyre calling you a cat burgalur

[balmy condor]

2025, new year

we don't judge

[spice spire]

Why would I be pinning them Tony

[hollow river]

Lmao

[fallow canopy]

this is just standard sin channel behavior

[brave comet]

is there a way to supercharge my action points prior to fighting the boss in raids?

[spice spire]

It’s more a what because I didn’t start this

[slate crown]

Are you sure?

I don't even remember

I don't think anyone can

[thorn thorn]

Until people quit bitching about stupid shit I will not be acknowledging the whole "new year new me" thing

[spice spire]

Am I being gaslit live

[spice spire]

I don’t think it resets. You’d have to shiv right before

[slate crown]

Does it reset on swapping spec?

[balmy condor]

my mental has reset

[slate crown]

if not then go sub, cast sod

[spice spire]

Probably

[slate crown]

then swap back

if it does reset, then you're sol

[spice spire]

But not 100%

[thorn thorn]

So why are you still hating 11.0.7

[spice surge]

Swapping specs removes them unfortunately

[spice spire]

This is a thought I’ve legit never had

[slate crown]

yeh, assa can't pregame it

[balmy condor]

because my new years clarity has not changed my stance on garbage content

[brave comet]

whats sod

[slate crown]

symbols of death

it gives sub supercharger like shiv gives it for assa

but it doesn't require a target, is just a self buff

[spice spire]

Okay but picture this, you shiv a turnip on 10s and get your second charge back by the time second shiv needed

[thorn thorn]

Has your stance changed on auto tea and embellishments?

Turnip maxing

[slate crown]

at least it's not as bad as snapshotting fathomdwellers could have been

actually wait what's turnip cd

[brave comet]

yep it resets

that sucks

[slate crown]

I guess it's not a big deal tho

[brave comet]

ye its not for sure

[spice spire]

It fathomdwellers were live I’d actually go insane

[slate crown]

yeah

[mild rock]

so im ahving this thing in m+ where im popping DM and Skardyns at the same time but the cds are not coming up at the same time

[balmy condor]

idk I've been pretty consistent on auto tea being a complete waste of time to talk about cause it doesn't matter, and embellishments all being undertuned and weak and it not really mattering if you embellish the 1.1% embellishment or the 0.9% embellishment

[mild rock]

its like trinket is 10sec behind

[balmy condor]

affix

trinkets are not affected by cdr

[slate crown]

Also whispyr you mentioned in your vid the possibility of snapshotting with winning streak max stacks and I nearly shit myself

[mild rock]

ohhhhh i see

[balmy condor]

:3

[slate crown]

Though imp garrote should be very easy to add the buff to it

[thorn thorn]

Oh right I need to watch whispyrs review

[slate crown]

but still oh my fuck

[balmy condor]

well it doesn't affect garrote

it's rup/ct only

[slate crown]

Well

For the same reason, can make it work with that

still, more insanity

[balmy condor]

also if it snapshots CT we are so back to CT in single target

but I didn't open that can of worms

[spice spire]

God bless amen

Can’t wait to be fotm two tiers in a row

[slate crown]

how likely are you to still be playing at this point

[balmy condor]

I've committed to end of expansion

we'll see with midnight reveals if I continue to actually play the game after that point

[slate crown]

🫡

[balmy condor]

I'm still waiting for like a blizz blue post where they wake up and snap to reality and go like "yeah we can't do 8 week patch cadence we're behind and the content is rushed and we're dedicated to taking our time in the future and slowing down the content release to ensure we bring patches to the game that we can be proud of" or whatever

full copium

but I think about it a lot

[vital haven]

no shot

especially after shadowlands

[hearty reef]

has this cope overtaken the "sin s2 4p hasnt been proofread" cope?

[balmy condor]

I mean the proofread cope is a different cope

the cope that they don't rush out content has been in my brainrot for years

[spice spire]

Cope this, cope that, how about you cope with the crushing reality of the world and find happiness where you can, it’s always fleeting and everyone deserves what they can get

[coral ibex]

im trying quake

[balmy condor]

fuck you quake what do you think you are

[spice spire]

Idk gotta workshop that one

[spice spire]

Your metaphorical father

[balmy condor]

fucking plato headass in here trying to discern greater value of the human experience man

[slate crown]

It's a longer term growth they'd be focusing on if they did that and I'm extremely skeptical of them going in that direction sadly. I wish they'd just focus on quality, they don't need more shit piped out. It's just been so bad lately

[hearty reef]

they gonna stop rushing after last titan, for sure, new wow new rules, trust

[spice spire]

I know my ass isn’t getting roasted by a twink with cat ears looking headass mf .
Get ur gains up

[slate crown]

So does everyone get what they deserve? and if I don't get something, I don't deserve it?

[balmy condor]

I mean their version control between ptr and live, the copy pasting, the lazy design on tier set bonuses, the lack of iteration on hero talents

it's just

it's all so bad

[spice spire]

Everyone deserves every positive thing they’ve experience in life. Capture it while you can

[slate crown]

I couldn't believe they let that happen still. How, like I can get how it can happen and software is complicated but this is like, basic regression testing

[balmy condor]

it's legit every fucking patch at this point

because they don't actually do anything on patches anymore

it's all hotfixes

[coral ibex]

it is weird that they dont pull hotfixes from live to the ptr patch that they then deploy to live

[balmy condor]

they do

[coral ibex]

sometimes

[balmy condor]

no, they do it every time

they just copy it based on when PTR goes live

so if PTR comes up a month in advance

[slate crown]

Many software companies have this ethos of walking on a tightrope, balancing quality with enhancements and striving to still innovate with new things while also improving the existing product

and I hate it

[balmy condor]

and there's hotfixes in that month

[slate crown]

Like, fuck your new shit

[balmy condor]

GG that doesn't get pulled

[slate crown]

make your old shit work, the first time

[coral ibex]

yea thats what im trying to say

[balmy condor]

I just don't understand

why we can't solidify hotfixes with a patch on weekly maint

every week has a patch which pushes hotfixes

PTR server resets and merges hotfix data

but no

instead we hotfix a billion things every patch

release a new patch

and then scramble for a week to hotfix the hotfixes back in

[hearty reef]

continuous integration rant

[balmy condor]

actually though

continuous integration is basic shit

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr still feeling anger from set bonus review

[spice spire]

From 11.0 maybe

[balmy condor]

ovi'nax nerfs have been reverted TWICE

[spice spire]

Man’s been heated

[balmy condor]

think about that

ovi'nax got nerfed

11.0.5 comes out, reverts the nerfs cause hotfix

we go "oh fuck" and quickly hotfix it back in

11.0.7 comes out

and REVERTS THE NERFS AGAIN CAUSE WE JUST HOTFIXED THE HOTFIX AND NOW WE GOTTA HOTFIX IT A THIRD TIME

WHAT ARE WE DOING

[limber swallow]

yea, this isn't a CI problem, it's a trunk based development problem.

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr reminds me of a disappointed dad

[balmy condor]

blizzards version control is actually so fucking asinine

[limber swallow]

they're doing a shit job of pulling hotfixes back into trunk

[thorn thorn]

Game is spaghetti

🍝

[limber swallow]

but... I mean... it's been this way for years. I remember hotfix, patch, re-hotfix shit going all the way back to warlords

[balmy condor]

of course

but it's been only getting worse with time

cause they're speeding up patch cycles

so it's just more and more sloppy, more and more frequently

[limber swallow]

well yea, and the codebase keeps getting bigger which makes issues harder to identify.
When you have 100k commits in your branch, the fact that you're missing one is very difficult to spot.

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not really that difficult to spot when the ptr version on my launcher is behind the version of the live game

don't have to check commits to go "hm."

[limber swallow]

that's putting too much faith in semantic versioning for me, but yes, that is a bad sign

[coral ibex]

its the kind of embarassing mistake you should get fired for but is apparently acceptable

[limber swallow]

there are tons of devops practices you could put in place to mitigate this kind of mess.
I think Blizz is caught in this "we have to go fast or there'll be another content drought" mode, and they're not wrong.
I guess their logic is "if we don't release content, we'll lose players, and that's worse than the number of players we'll lose out of frustration for our lack of strong devops practices"

[vital haven]

we have to go fast or there'll be another content drought
100% again, especially after shadowlands

nothing is stopping the train

choo choo mfer

especially now when their biggest competitor has that problem

[limber swallow]

I don't pay much attention to FFXIV, but if that's the case, the pace makes a lot of sense.

[vital haven]

i honestly think thats just the cherry on top

i honestly believe 9.0 to 9.1 and the player drop that followed traumatized blizzard

[scarlet barn]

does anyone know what a macro for tricks is on a specific target? I tried /cast [@Tank] Tricks of the trade but that doesn't do anything

[sullen robin]

hello - im new to rogue/assa and try to build my interface

so far i have 2 questions

1. what buffs/proc i should track?

• indiscriminate carnage
• darkest night
• subterfuge?
• clear the witnesses?
• improved garrote not needed since its basicly tracked due to indiscriminate carnage

2. what are u guys using to keep track on dots on multitarget?

• i tryed to anchor some dot WAs on nameplates, but for some reason i cannot anchor it to nameplate
• maybe just a "clean" plater setup? so far its a mess and show waaaaaaaaaay to much xD

[pure moth]

!wa grab one of these packs and what you want to track is covered.

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sullen robin]

you could use [@targettarget] what should work 99% of the time (but u have to wait for the tank to pull )

you could also use a fixxed position for tank in your groupframes and use [@party1] for example

you could use [@focus] - if you set the tank to your focus- but this deletes the posibillity to use focus / kick macros

you could use something like cell partyframes- what gives you click casting - so even if your lets say 1 is mutilate - you can have a cllick cast setting if you hover over a party
member in your group frames - and press 1 - it will cast ability X