assassination

[radiant raven]

You could even keep some stuff locked like the vulpera teleport camp, worgen running wild, human two hearth thing since they have no gameplay impact other than a cute QoL thing. But stoneform, etc should just be a button everyone can slot into

[midnight mist]

No it's not

Well if you don't understand how sims works

[hollow river]

its funny because

meld is so digusting in pvp

so i do the same thing zac

[midnight mist]

Ye

[hollow river]

[midnight mist]

I know

I mean it's ok

Tryan just hate me because I think racials matters

[royal lantern]

????

double hearthstone is insane for paladin bubble+hs stuff

[radiant raven]

double HS does own a lot if you are forgetful though

[subtle tundra]

i wish i could play vulpera..

[spice surge]

Tbf dwarf is way less impactful this season than usual

[subtle tundra]

dwarf on siege last boss meow

[radiant raven]

If alliance could be vulpera...

Best racial button, best /sleep.

[subtle tundra]

best ass

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/avoiding-fennec-fast-gif-26563821

[hollow river]

[spice surge]

Panda male

[midnight mist]

You think so?

[hollow river]

female undead is bis

[radiant raven]

Panda Male is up there, no question. But have you seen the vulpera /sleep

it is crimnally adorable

[midnight mist]

You can dwarf Ara Ara and it's very op in ig

[royal lantern]

panda male has the best /roar aswell

[midnight mist]

Same for sv

[royal lantern]

just a actual bear roar

[solar wyvern]

I had to deal with a challenging moment in my relationship. She wanted to play a vulpera hunter... Is it doomed???

[midnight mist]

Also dwarf last boss siege

[royal lantern]

[midnight mist]

I guess that's it but it's already quite a lot

[spice surge]

Idk its mostly just siege

[midnight mist]

But most importantly it's on giga important things

What

I would say siege is the least important of the 3 I said idk

[spice surge]

The others are just "nice to have"

[midnight mist]

Well the dots legit 3 hit you so

[solar wyvern]

Ara kara, gb and SV having dwarf is hella good

[midnight mist]

Ah ye gb aswell

But like Ara and SV dots

They kinda kill you lol

[solar wyvern]

Nothing like getting cursed back to back during the despoiler packs xddd

[midnight mist]

And without dwarfs and shit

You don't have enough

To deal with it

And in high keys it's just too much damage to just heal

[solar wyvern]

CoT second boss knife throws or icicles, beetle aoe as well

[spice surge]

Idk ive just never thought "damn i wish i was dwarf" this season

Because its fine to not be

[solar wyvern]

Fair, I've had a few "damn i wish i was nightelf/dracthyr" moments.

But thats just pugging

[midnight mist]

I have had a few "damn I wish I had another dwarf" moments so idk

[royal lantern]

i had a "damm, im happy im not dracthyr" moment

cus otherwhise i would have been asinged for a knockback on broodtwister

[solar wyvern]

Xd

[brave comet]

whats the concept of split runs in guilds?

[royal lantern]

degenerated shit

you make a shitton of character cappable of running heroic raids, and then do a raid full with those characters +a handfull of mains and give the mains all the gear that Drops

[spice surge]

You get the same amount of loot per run, but since half (or whatever) part of your group is alts they dont need any loot

[royal lantern]

at patch start

[spice surge]

So on average youll just get twice as much loot on your mains

[spice surge]

Idk not enough to warrant -1% dps imo

[subtle tundra]

its for trinkets and tier set

(le splits)

[brave comet]

so you guys think this is for degens?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[hollow river]

99% of guilds don't do it

[subtle tundra]

making everyone in the guild have atleast 1 character that they have to play and wont get loot

[royal lantern]

99% is even to low

[hollow river]

yeh

[royal lantern]

the amount of guilds doing actually bigger splits is really small cus its so frking stupid lol

[hollow river]

like MAYBE the top 50 guilds in the world

prolly not even that

[spice surge]

1 split is prevalent below that for sure

Not every guild

[hollow river]

oh big splits is prolly like 4 guilds

[spice surge]

Maybe not without hc week

[royal lantern]

if your RL says "we do splits" and your guilds world rank number is not in the single digets

you leave

[drifting cloud]

with hc week r500+ guilds did a split

[hollow river]

i mean 1 split is diff

but r500? that's fucking idiotic lol

i've never seen a guild bring up splits anywhere near that low

[drifting cloud]

there was nothing to do start of xpac

and with 590 crafted gear being literally free

alot of people went for it

[spice surge]

They had an extra week and then a hc week ontop of it

For giga gamers thats how it felt

[royal lantern]

my experience with that was "gets stuck at the 7th boss of the raid and then has do downsize so the clear actually happens" every single time

[hollow river]

yeh i mean that sounds ez enough ig

[spice surge]

Which is fine

[drifting cloud]

even if you couldnt kill queen week1 in a split it was still free loot

[hollow river]

the most i've ever seen personally was bringing casual guildies along for aotc and have them funnel their loot, not necessarily a 'split' but similar concept

[spice surge]

Just getting extra transmitters/sikran necks or whatever is still good

But ye its clearly degen behaviour

And i have no idea how the r1 guys stomach like 10+ alts

I cant be bothered with a single one

[royal lantern]

and there is a difference bettwen "you can bring a alts we can use for loot trading if possible" and "have 2-3 characters ready for split farming on week1" tbh

[coral ibex]

they get paid

lol

[spice surge]

Ye i know, but even then

[subtle tundra]

you need a character good enough to be able to clear hc with on week 1

[coral ibex]

you’d split 10 chars for 100+k a year too

guaranteed

[drifting cloud]

100k hahahahahaha

ok

[hollow river]

l0l

[spice surge]

Surely they get 100k

[royal lantern]

i hate my job and still have to stomach it for payment

[spice surge]

[subtle tundra]

someone is wildly misinformed

[coral ibex]

you think rwf raiders aren’t clearing 100k a year if they also stream ur cooked

[royal lantern]

100k for every char

[subtle tundra]

yea and they have jobs for fun too

[hollow river]

some of them avg like 50 viewers man

[drifting cloud]

brother thats under 10 people in echo and liquid combined

[hollow river]

most of them don't make anywhere near that

[drifting cloud]

or maybe around there

[coral ibex]

how much do you guys think the bonus is for winning? plus they get a split of max’s stream for the race

[subtle tundra]

0

[coral ibex]

lmao

strongly doubt there’s no incentive to win the race

[subtle tundra]

there is incentive. being the winner

[midnight mist]

I mean it's just sponsors

There is no money from blizzard

[royal lantern]

^

[hollow river]

winning=more successful streams and reputation etc

[coral ibex]

i didn’t say blizzard money

do you guys think liquid and echo have no incentive structures?

seems very unlikely

[hollow river]

play well or get kicked

since it isn't an official competition i just don't see them getting anything extra out of winning, monetarily like that

[royal lantern]

dont craft a int dagger

[hollow river]

like AWC players won ~70-80k this season

both 1 NA and 1 EU team

nothing extra from their org

[coral ibex]

i don’t have any insider knowledge on player contracts but i know for a fact that other esports teams run by liquid have incentive structures

[hollow river]

i mean anything's possible

but i imagine RWF is the only competition that liquid takes part in that isn't an official competition

[hollow river]

literally inting

saw so many people do that this season

[sterile ore]

hey guys dont hate me its no FLEX just a real question

[subtle tundra]

too late. i hate you

[sterile ore]

would you pick Umbriss Band myth from vault cause it cannot drop
or the cloak but i think can drop it easliy

XD

[coral ibex]

i’m pre loading the hate

i’d just take the higher simming option

neither option is that much better than the other

[sterile ore]

true

[balmy condor]

0.1%

margin of error gaming

[hexed frost]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

but somehow you gotta decide

its like comparing megan fox in her prime to you

she's 0,1% less hot

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

[hexed frost]

What kind of abomination build is this

No exsanguate

No MA

For keys

[grim jay]

noone is using exsanguinate

for a good amount of months

[balmy condor]

Exsanguinate

In 2024

[hexed frost]

Bruh I went to holidays for sometime and the build changed

[balmy condor]

2025 even

[hexed frost]

Sanguine blades

[grim jay]

exsanguinate is gone for like

over a year

feelings-wise

I dont know actually

[balmy condor]

It is using sanguine blades

[hexed frost]

Sanguine is like 7% of damage in keys

My fucking bad

Sanguine and doomblade have same icons

[balmy condor]

It can be with enough aoe

[hexed frost]

[grim jay]

its alright

noone in here can read

[balmy condor]

But yeh idk what’s the issue exactly

[grim jay]

including myself

[soft surge]

leathaliuty and MA having the same icons is also bad considering blizzard employee pay packages

[balmy condor]

If you start this shit again I’ll ban you

[grim jay]

you mean bad for the 3 people that actually pick talents

instead of just copying

[balmy condor]

Dead serious

[grim jay]

and that might not be able to read

perhaps

[balmy condor]

Back to this though, yes welcome to fumbling with a build in a spreadsheet meant to give biggest simdps

It’ll spit out nonsense

[hexed frost]

I've been running with Ma and subterfuge after the subterfuge changes

[subtle tundra]

if you sim 2 min AOE, 2nd vanish is the best talent in the game

[balmy condor]

True actually

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/tIuMGK2.jpeg my daily these days

[balmy condor]

That’s fine

[midnight mist]

i like subterfuge because i suck at applying my bleeds fast enough

[karmic dawn]

I really like MA and 2nd Vanish in keys for this exact reason in keys. Feels less stressful.

[subtle tundra]

i like subterfuge cause the other options are fucking passives

?!?!?!

that change NOTHING

[midnight mist]

you are passive

[balmy condor]

I like iron wire

[midnight mist]

iron wire

[balmy condor]

But that’s a hot take these days

[subtle tundra]

say that to my face

[midnight mist]

no wae

[grim jay]

thats what she said

wait what

[midnight mist]

varas

[subtle tundra]

it used to compete with a less than 1% talent
now it competes with ttk/sudden demise/sanguine blades

[midnight mist]

you still playing iw in every key ?

[subtle tundra]

no?

[midnight mist]

ok

[subtle tundra]

i havent since

uh

i started playing

[midnight mist]

ok idk i wanted to taunt you again

but

[balmy condor]

Okay but I like it

[subtle tundra]

what am i gonna silence in mists

[midnight mist]

i will find something else

wasnt i arguing with you varas

about iw

some weeks ago

[subtle tundra]

yes cause you said you dont play it in stonevault

dummy

[midnight mist]

ye

[subtle tundra]

which is dumb

[soft surge]

doesnt ironwire also do a big dr too

[midnight mist]

you are dumb varas

[novel star]

the root guy

[midnight mist]

!

[balmy condor]

Idk bout big Dr

But it has a Dr yes

[novel star]

that’s about it

[novel star]

Dr

[midnight mist]

there is no casts in sv

all fake

[karmic dawn]

I feel like the whole area of the tree around Iron Wire is too crowded? I'd like to see something where MA is moved away from all of the Garrote talents so there's more chance to build for bleeds versus poisons as a ST versus AoE compromise and MA is more in the middle for general use.

[midnight mist]

[balmy condor]

Yeah like pepper

[novel star]

mmmmmm

[subtle tundra]

idk i swapped off of blackjack cause guess what, i died to aggro at some point then my team complained
i played tricks then and still died to aggro

[balmy condor]

Based

[midnight mist]

tricks is dps increas

[grim jay]

dont tell the tricks fans

[midnight mist]

bj isnt

[balmy condor]

Blessed be tricks

[midnight mist]

tricks > bj

[balmy condor]

Great button

[subtle tundra]

yea sorry i just envenom a target or something

fucking stonevault first pull

[balmy condor]

How is it possible that we have a button that does absolutely nothing

[novel star]

it redirects threat u noob

[balmy condor]

What threat

[novel star]

ask varas

[soft surge]

theres a really neat chinese macro WA that auto tricks tanks too

[novel star]

[midnight mist]

the threat your tank doesnt have

cause hje just looked at the mobs

[balmy condor]

Yeh and your lil garrotes are going to for sure do it and tricks also for sure works when you press buttons and you for sure don’t get auto’d once for free

[balmy condor]

Don’t we have a command for that since like legion

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[balmy condor]

Yeah

That thing

[slow tulip]

new year - new hair colour, whispyr bruv?

[sharp viper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[slow tulip]

🤩

[karmic dawn]

What a handsome cutie!

[midnight mist]

Wtf Zendaya is here, big fan cuh

[hearty reef]

Zendaya where?

[mild jacinth]

whats the range of caustic spatter i used it on rashanan but i dont think it cleaved anything

[spice spire]

8y from center of target

So unless adds are at edge it won’t

[mild jacinth]

okay makes sense

[novel star]

12 isn’t it

🤓

[spice spire]

No it’s 8

[novel star]

prove it quakeypoo

[spice spire]

Dog I’m about to give you 8 if you sass me again

[novel star]

oh nooooo please don’t!

[dapper zodiac]

did anyone else not get the weekly quest in siren isles guys?

[ornate wagon]

guys whats the easiest way to use tricks of the trade please? ty ❤️

[nova aspen]

this is the end, guild wants me to go gnome for ansurek

[midnight mist]

vanish

cloak

actually just play outlaw and vanish every one of them

[nova aspen]

i was considering running double vanish

-40k dps

ish

[split cipher]

Vanish, cloak, dps'd out last set. I don't see how they couldn't manage one break

[coral ibex]

bruh what kind of raid lead thinks it’s ok to tell their raider to race swap for world rank 1500

really cooked

just get a freedom or something

[spice surge]

Just dont do anything

They have no health anymore anyway

[royal lantern]

the webs break in 1sec yeha lol

[nova aspen]

they aren't forcing me to, they just want me to

[royal lantern]

bro, break for what

the webs will be gone by default, and you dont avoid the dmg with gnome

[snow kindle]

Y’all are breaking third roots anyway right

[nova aspen]

yeah, for like 5 people

[snow kindle]

Yeah then who cares

Cloak first vanish 2nd and you win

[midnight mist]

break first

with bl and shit

it doesnt even live

[snow kindle]

Or that

[spice surge]

Well you want to vanish for dps anyway

[nova aspen]

is it a lust on pull fight?

[spice surge]

And it lines up well

[nova aspen]

our first night of prog is tomorrow

[midnight mist]

im ngl i dont even know

i play outlaw

[snow kindle]

Most people don’t list on pull no

[spice surge]

Usually yes

[midnight mist]

i dont notice lust

any lusters in the chat

[royal lantern]

only lust for quake

[snow kindle]

If you’re progging lusting pull sucks

[nova aspen]

is the norm lusting on entering p3?

[snow kindle]

40 stack spymasters with execute + hardest phase is usually when lust

Not entering no

[spice surge]

p1 is def harder than p3

[nova aspen]

in like 3-4 weeks when we are in p3

and 2 more quest buffs

[spice surge]

But ye it doesnt really matter

anyway

[snow kindle]

It’s harder overall but it’s not why you die

[nova aspen]

i bet we skip some p3 stuff

[spice surge]

Well its literally just a question of whats more damage

[snow kindle]

If your dmg is good you can skip it

[royal lantern]

i somewhat doubt you will be in clean p3 then

[spice surge]

BL on pull makes p3 shorter too

[royal lantern]

most of queen prog is p2 tbh

[nova aspen]

ok so maybe even another quest or 2 buffs

20% damage or something crazy

[snow kindle]

Just lust p3 atp

And you’ll win

[midnight mist]

What if lust p1 cause everyone is alive still

I like p1 lusters

[snow kindle]

Yeah but no 40 stack spymasters with execute

[spice surge]

Casters

[nova aspen]

what if no one in our roster has spymaster

[midnight mist]

Who is executing nowadays

[nova aspen]

cuz we're so lucky

[midnight mist]

What if your spymasters die p2

[snow kindle]

If you have literally no spymasters go next tier bro

[spice surge]

Its prob gonna get nerfed

And then be useless come fated

[nova aspen]

it took us i think 6 weeks to kill court

[spice surge]

[nova aspen]

raiding 2 days a week

[midnight mist]

Court harder tho

[snow kindle]

Our guild hasn’t seen a single spymasters drop yet either tbf

Mythic

[nova aspen]

isnt raidfinder spymaster like better than myth track trinkets

or something stupid like that

glad i didnt roll caster

[nova aspen]

thats whati thought, warcraft logs seem to show the same average pull count

[snow kindle]

Probably it’s a lot of dps

[spice surge]

Transmitter and spymaster are the only two actual good trinkets this season ye

[nova aspen]

or at least thats what my guild said, didnt look myself

[spice surge]

Besides those trinkets most trinkets this season are like 6%

Most trinkets in DF was 12-14%

(compared to an empty slot)

[midnight mist]

queen just got nerfed a lot more than court

so you prolly will have an easier time

[royal lantern]

we saw 1 transmitter on all diiffcultys lol

[midnight mist]

altough i say that but i htink the last court nerf

with the dispell

was quite big

[snow kindle]

Lmao

Court also sucks cause comp kinda important

Or atleast makes it 100x easier with the right amount of melee and ranged

[nova aspen]

yeah

i had to be red team

parsed an 84 for first kill, basically didnt get to dps on the damage amp that red team baits a frontal

and died at the last 10 seconds lol

fun fight but im glad its over jesus

i liked kyveza the most this tier

[wooden kiln]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[wet plover]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[wet plover]

So is sudden demise the actual m+ strat over Sanguine?

[spice spire]

There’s no actual

500 permutations

Pick one

And chuckle

[wet plover]

xD

sudden demise just feels better than sanguine

just wanna know whats best for like 11-12s

[dim nymph]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[uneven nymph]

do i just copy this into the macro box ?

/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[wet plover]

Yes

all of it

[dim nymph]

would there be any reason specific why the tea macro would not be sending tea..

[uneven nymph]

#showtooltip Shiv
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

?

[wet plover]

You got no teas available or you got an error line somewhere

[uneven nymph]

or

[wet plover]

yes

[uneven nymph]

ok

ty

[spice spire]

If you pressed tea within 5 s iirc

Well not pressed

Used

[dim nymph]

nope didnt press tea or anything copied the macro and pasted but its just not using tea

[spice spire]

Did you have a tea charge

[dim nymph]

yessir

[subtle tundra]

is it talented idk

[dim nymph]

it is

[spice spire]

I literally cannot think of a reason then

It should work every time

[slate crown]

I'm assuming macros accept null

[spice spire]

Wait

Did we change talents

And not move the macro to the same spot

That issue still pops up time to time

[slate crown]

the classic

your sectec + CB macro isn't on your steatlh bar

[grizzled ember]

If my ring is at 645 right now after doing weekly, should I farm something specific to get it to 649?

[uneven nymph]

what is darkest night?

[slate crown]

Look at deathstalker talents, last node

[dim nymph]

removing null fixed it

[uneven nymph]

oh nvm

too low lvl for that

im 68

[dim nymph]

oh wait it did not.. it allowd me to use tea but it still sent both charges

[spice spire]

[slate crown]

humor me

replace null with nil

[dim nymph]

sure

[slate crown]

No clue if that will work

[dim nymph]

nope still holds tea

[spice spire]

Why do people take an extra pair of socks while golfing?

[radiant raven]

You should have another quest to get it to 649 this week on the island. It may only appear after doing the weekly "fill the bar" stuff on both normal and storm island though.

[slate crown]

so they can keep their feet extra warm

I don't know

why

[grizzled ember]

Ahh ok, thought it would be from a random drop. That's much better, I think...lol

[spice spire]

In case they get a hole in one!

Did that humor you?

[dim nymph]

this guy lmfao

[slate crown]

this fuckin guy

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-4191932622782612740

[radiant raven]

It should, anyway. I've not done the catch-up myself but I think they're just straight up "All quests available"

[spice spire]

You said to humor you

What do you want from me

[radiant raven]

More humor

[ember mural]

[radiant raven]

I had someone say "Say no more" to me yesterday so I said no to them and they got very angry with me.

[uneven nymph]

learning this rotation is burning my brain

ngl

[spice spire]

I almost posted some cursed things

Count your days doztson-mal’ganis (US)

[slate crown]

doxed

[ember mural]

Dm it

[proven jasper]

Dawg keep bleeds up and then mutilate->enevenom on repeat

[spice spire]

Nah

[proven jasper]

it aint bad

[spice spire]

I’ll save it for a good occasion

[ember mural]

Don't look me up I suck

[spice spire]

But also have an envenom going for your kb while pooling, vanish the last 6s of kb, dm just before kb so it fits

[slate crown]

it's ok same

[proven jasper]

Cd’s come later he obviously needs some core help

Spam that envenom

[spice spire]

That’s fair

[proven jasper]

posion them mf’s

[uneven nymph]

thats what im thinking that i dont have to follow it exactly just get opener right and keep dots up

[ember mural]

[uneven nymph]

im following it off wowhead

[proven jasper]

[uneven nymph]

but i think the one on wowhead saves the most energy bc you only multi twice inbetween dots

[slate crown]

Good mindset, really don't focus on gcd perfect just understand the goals and try to upkeep those goals

remember "I just push buttons"

[spice spire]

A lot of your damage also comes from finishing the build. Your sustained damage isn’t a ton until you get darkest night as well.
Rather than 3 marks you kind of have infinite marks

[uneven nymph]

so i dont worry about it too much until max lvl

im guessing

[marble hemlock]

thats fucking adorable

[spice spire]

I recommend highly hitting 70.
Then trying to see some logs

And then have us kind of review back

[uneven nymph]

im on 68 rn

[spice spire]

If you’re following wowhead

You’re already doing fine and will continue to improve as you get further ahead

[slate crown]

u mean 80

[spice spire]

But max build does unlock a few things

[spice spire]

Listen

Whoops

[slate crown]

listening

[uneven nymph]

were all listening

[spice spire]

I forget what expansion it is

I left in dragonflight

[uneven nymph]

mind u ill do what u say

[spice spire]

And now I’m 80

[uneven nymph]

why u leabe

games fun

besides the dngs

they get boring

[proven jasper]

bruh u gotta hit 80 first

[ember mural]

Man is stuck in valdrakken

[proven jasper]

I havent touched this game in over a month

[spice spire]

Personal reasons.
I love wow, just had to take time away for a bit

[proven jasper]

Poe2 better

[uneven nymph]

oki

[slate crown]

leafy got some sass coming for you @spice spire

You'll do well here

[uneven nymph]

po2 comes out

[spice spire]

LE

[uneven nymph]

im taking break from wow

[spice spire]

Do not test me

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

It’s already out

[uneven nymph]

waiting for f2p

[spice spire]

Ahh fair

[uneven nymph]

😭

[spice spire]

It still has some work for sure

Enjoying

But haven’t had time for games

[uneven nymph]

i loved po1 have 400 hours on it

[spice spire]

Otherwise I’d be keying with @ember mural ‘s dog ass

[uneven nymph]

decied to play wow after it got boring

[spice spire]

I never played poe before 2 🙂

[proven jasper]

Think ive already put 400 into poe2 lmao

[spice spire]

Touch grass bestie

I’m like

30 hours in lmfao

[uneven nymph]

missed out on the beautiful p2w storage space

it was sooooo fun 😭

[spice spire]

I also work too much so that’s kind of on me

[uneven nymph]

having to sell or delete or manage items between alts bc u dont have enough storage was like half of the endgame

hopefully its different in the 2nd one

[proven jasper]

Ill touch your gr(ass)

[spice spire]

Hey

[slate crown]

yes but your work is helping people and you're doing great at it

[spice spire]

Don’t make it weird! I’m just permanently on hold right now!!

[uneven nymph]

also btw i was thinking of leveling a 2nd class

in wow

but itd have to be like the most braindead 3 button rotation class

any ideas? which class takes the least to do the most?

[slate crown]

fury war?

[proven jasper]

Bm hunter/destro warlock

Fury war

[rotund oak]

the real question is when

[uneven nymph]

ive been waiting

[proven jasper]

Its like late 2025 for f2p

Im p sure

[spice spire]

Monk isn’t a 3 button class

[rotund oak]

well late 2025 could be september or december

[spice spire]

But you kinda just do damage by

[uneven nymph]

ill most liekly buy it when im done with wow

[spice spire]

Pressing buttons

[uneven nymph]

but hopefully its free by than

does rotation matter on monk?

i was thinking of playing brewmaster

[spice spire]

Yesn’t

Oh brew is 500 bajillion buttons

[proven jasper]

Novemeber/sept area i believe

[slate crown]

yeah I thought brew is like the exactopposite

[rotund oak]

im 637 already thinking of unsubbing for couple of months,there is no point

[slate crown]

of what you're aksing for

[spice spire]

But it’s also easy enough that @ember mural is really good at it

[dim nymph]

yea idk lmfao i tried everything with this macro i cant get it to work ggs

[spice spire]

and he’s outlaw pilled

[slate crown]

yeah I don't know I just don't spam the button

[uneven nymph]

i dont know what this means

i play wow bc i always wanted to try it

[slate crown]

I don't really spam for off gcd buttons

[uneven nymph]

whats 637

[spice spire]

Max item level is 639 currently

He’s almost maxed item level

[proven jasper]

As in there is no more content for him to do and he’s max geared basically

[slate crown]

I don't understand spamming non-gcd buttons

[uneven nymph]

oh than it makes sense

[spice spire]

And new xpac isn’t until late February

New patch

[slate crown]

the point of spamming buttons is if they're on gcd and you need it to go off as soon as GCD is over

[spice spire]

Sorry not xpac

[uneven nymph]

when i played gw2

[slate crown]

but off gcds don't have that requirement, you just push button

[uneven nymph]

and was finished everything

[thorn fjord]

New patch prob won’t hit till later than that

[uneven nymph]

id just sit around fucking abt

endgame mmorpg stuff is half playing half dicking around in big town

or pvp

[dim nymph]

well i was using thistle tea and kingsbane macro together and when i spam kingsbane it sends about 3290843 thistle tea charges

[rotund oak]

ilvl,639 is the highend ilvl u get from mythic raiding,ill be 638 ilvl in couple of days so its kinda pointless to wait two more months for next tier for nothing.Hence unsubbing and playing something else

[vital haven]

when did the season start

[uneven nymph]

id prob do the same ngl

[thorn fjord]

Blizzard needs your money

[slate crown]

Makes sense though I still don't have macros for these, I just have everything bound separately

[uneven nymph]

if i got that far

[slate crown]

[vital haven]

4 months ago?

seasons are too long man

new patch should be coming out now

[thorn fjord]

A lot of guilds still don’t have ce

[proven jasper]

I just got the isle ring yesterday

[thorn fjord]

So I disagree with that

[proven jasper]

wasn’t even sure i would

[rotund oak]

ppl no life the game then get bored of it,its normal

u cant expect from eveyrone to do so

blizzard gives times to strugglers as well

[thorn fjord]

We have multiple sub 10% pulls on court but December really fucked us with roster boss 😩

[rotund oak]

there is a smol chance ild kill 4-5 bosses

but im srsly bored

this tier is cringe

[thorn fjord]

Court is awful

I just want it to be over

In to Queen and done

[proven jasper]

Cannot imagine still raiding rn

Props to you guys

Troopers

[uneven nymph]

ok

i got the opener rotation down

and lets just say

im doing a lot more dmg

than i was doing it my way

😭

[rotund oak]

u should be happy

uve improved

[uneven nymph]

yes!

now to hit 80

and relearn everything

and sweat this game

i wanna get into transmog

[proven jasper]

Eh the basics kinda stay the same

just alot more seasoning you gotta put on top of it at 80

If u catch my drift

[uneven nymph]

nope

wdym

[proven jasper]

As in learning ur hero talents, minor optimizations

The cooldown sequence

[uneven nymph]

what level does the lil tree unlocks in the middle of the talent page

[proven jasper]

Once u hit 70

[uneven nymph]

oki

[rotund oak]

71

[proven jasper]

71

[uneven nymph]

71?

[proven jasper]

Same thing

[rotund oak]

yes 71

[proven jasper]

You get ur first point at 71

[uneven nymph]

best way for xp besides dngs mobbing or quests?

[thorn fjord]

We’re playing FB next tier eh?

[uneven nymph]

fb?

[rotund oak]

facebook

lul

fatebound

[uneven nymph]

what 😭

actually yk what

i aint gonna worry abt it

[rotund oak]

bro stop crying plz u remind of my nephew

he cries all the time

[uneven nymph]

id ring cps

if hes crying all the time

[proven jasper]

hero talents brother do you know what game ur playing

[uneven nymph]

NO

I DONT

[proven jasper]

Ok maybe go watch some yt first before u come here

[uneven nymph]

i spent lvls 1-68 clicking multilate

[proven jasper]

or anything

[uneven nymph]

fck no

why would i

if i can come straight to the source

[brittle fulcrum]

All im gonna say is Cps doesnt follow the law.

[proven jasper]

so you can stop clicking mutilate

[uneven nymph]

all of yous play rogue same spec

i did

[uneven nymph]

they kidnap kids

if u ask me

😭

[brittle fulcrum]

Weeell they get paid per kid that they "Rescue" so

[grizzled ember]

That is how it worked, thank you. Finished another weekly quest on isle and it gave it as a reward, even though it didn't show as a reward on quest log.

[spice spire]

Dog what

They do not

[rotund oak]

[uneven nymph]

comission on kids is crazy

[brittle fulcrum]

lmaoo

[frail dust]

for raid should i be looking for more haste? or does stat weights stay relatively the same?

[radiant raven]

Woo, hell yeah. Glad it worked.

[spice spire]

I lit ally work with cps daily

They don’t

[spice spire]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[brittle fulcrum]

Haste for pure single target, if theres consistent ads you can just rupture snipe for energy

[spice spire]

That’s impressively wrong

[slate crown]

Rupture snipe not worth promse

[spice spire]

Like 0% of that is correct

[frail dust]

oh no conflicting info

[proven jasper]

Read what the bot posted

that is correct

[midnight mist]

Ye quake stop spreading misinformation pls

[slate crown]

Listen to the robot butler #assassination message

[slate crown]

Zac

[frail dust]

aye

robot knows

ty

[uneven nymph]

just click multilate

high dps i promise

[frail dust]

ok only builders no spenders

noted

[rotund oak]

very old news and ambigious.Ask the robot to be sure 😉

[spice spire]

Haste is still our third best stat on like a very base level.
But it constantly changed as you get more or less.
And you don’t snipe unless something lives 8s+ apparently.
I haven’t done the math can’t tell you. But yeah

[uneven nymph]

oh btw

ive been going for mastery on every piece of gear

yay or nay?

like for main stat

[proven jasper]

Prob fine

But uh

At 68

[midnight mist]

I apologize I was wrong and strayed away from the path, I'm not the man I was when I posted this message anymore, fully reformed

[slate crown]

doesn't matter while leveling, and at max you just care about ilvl,

[proven jasper]

Focus on ilvl

[brittle fulcrum]

I mean your right I didnt ask if he was doing keys or raid

[slate crown]

again, robot butler

[uneven nymph]

i was told to powerlevel than go siren island

to get higher ilvl

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-jumping-cat-excited-excited-dance-gif-19354605

[midnight mist]

Happy new year

[fallow canopy]

happy new year king

[proven jasper]

Still doesnt matter its not as simple as get haste for st

[brittle fulcrum]

Didnt ask

[frail dust]

keys np im starting to raid wasnt sure if we were looking for something diff in raid encounters

[spice spire]

Yep. Just take ilvl. Once you start getting 610+ on ilvl( start simming potential upgrades at http://www.raidbots.com

[humble verge]

me when i see all groups have to always go metaslave for every key, gaming

[vital haven]

man i already miss the holiday season

[spice spire]

It’s a good site to have saved trust me

[uneven nymph]

ty cuti

[midnight mist]

Quake you will forever be my favorite green name

[rotund oak]

mastery is a secondary stat.Agility is our primary stat.We focus on agility over everything else most of the time but we also run simulations just to be sure.For u that u ar estill lvling just go with the higher ilvl,it gives more agility.Once u get 80 u can read this as well

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[spice spire]

Zac you’ll forever be a green name I knew

Miss u(s)

[midnight mist]

Ty

[vital haven]

why stop being green names

[midnight mist]

I was over performing

[vital haven]

you know your stuff

[midnight mist]

They couldnt follow through with the salary

[uneven nymph]

holy shit

after like 20+ runs of the last dragonflight dng

[vital haven]

i feel that

[uneven nymph]

i got my first drop on it

[vital haven]

actually i dont

i never overperform

[uneven nymph]

i thought it was impossible with followers

[slate crown]

Yeah, salary matches my skill level (0) so it works for me

[ember mural]

Brew big fun. And yea my dog ass can still login at least :p

[spice spire]

I quit for a year Lmfaoo

[spice spire]

Buddy your chin is about to log in to my nuts

[marble hemlock]

that makes it sound like youll ever get it back

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

I probably won’t

Also don’t care about it lol

I just wanna help and that’s it

Green name means nothing

I have the one thing I actually care for

[midnight mist]

Too many assa green names

[marble hemlock]

youre more help than i am

every single day

[rotund oak]

One last advice.Stop running random dungeons,try timewalking,its faster que's coz higher and lower lvl ppl team up in a sync'd party and u get experience much faster

[ember mural]

Log reviews

[uneven nymph]

oh

thank you

[slate crown]

Hey I'm Assa / Sub

[uneven nymph]

actually mad helpful rn

trying speedrun to 80

[midnight mist]

You are assa

[spice spire]

Bottom

[brittle fulcrum]

This

[midnight mist]

But it's ok tho

[slate crown]

what did you call me?

[spice spire]

Seliathan is a far more known name than Makeitquake tho: in that regard you’re 600x the CF I’ll ever be king

[slate crown]

thx bestie

[midnight mist]

There is always an army of assa green names

[uneven nymph]

im guessing with the fact sub channel is the least active

sub is not a good spec

[brittle fulcrum]

?

[uneven nymph]

outlaw seems cool

[spice spire]

Anytime bestie

[proven jasper]

Its a great spec

[slate crown]

Sub is a very unpopular spec

but it is good

[fallow canopy]

its good just not as popular

[slate crown]

and I like it

[proven jasper]

But its got issues that make it unpopular

[midnight mist]

Sub channel is always dead

[proven jasper]

yes sub bis

[midnight mist]

Even when it's good

[rotund oak]

now close this discord and powerfarm timewalking.Once u are done u can use the currency to buy gear to kickstart strong into the expansion.Pretty sure u can upgrade it to 606ilvl and its dirt cheap

[uneven nymph]

how do u stay in stealth during combat?

[slate crown]

you dance

[radiant raven]

Sub is cool and it glows purple. Purple!!!

[uneven nymph]

WAIT

it glows

[proven jasper]

Purple!’n

[uneven nymph]

???

[proven jasper]

yes

[uneven nymph]

gotta switch specs

[proven jasper]

Shadow dance makes u glow purple

[radiant raven]

We go PURPLE mode and then do A TRILLION DAMAGE.

And then go afk

[uneven nymph]

i was wondering

what do u do when ure out of stealth

do u just sit there

[proven jasper]

Backstab pov

[fallow canopy]

not really but yes

[radiant raven]

Backstab and get stuff setup for the next burst window.

[slate crown]

poke poke poke twiddle thumbs

[rotund oak]

debatable 😂

[spice spire]

We all have flaws bestie that’s okay

[proven jasper]

1000x times until you can dance again

[uneven nymph]

is it a hard rotation?

[radiant raven]

Nah

[uneven nymph]

i think ive chosen the wrong spec

😭

[radiant raven]

Play all of them, they're all great and cool.

[uneven nymph]

purple sounds cool

[fallow canopy]

I think both specs are about the same in difficulty, maybe assa is easier?

[radiant raven]

Sub is easier to make a mistake on and mess up, in my personal experience. But both have their quirks and learning curve and rules to follow.

[uneven nymph]

my logic is less buttons to press to do good dmg the easier the class

[midnight mist]

Assa is easier in st not in m+ I would say

[proven jasper]

Sub has some quick decision making sometimes

[uneven nymph]

aight wait i gotta lock in

[brittle fulcrum]

Sub does its damage up front and then fucks off into the sunset im kinda glad its not turbo meta right now

[midnight mist]

What does sin do

[spice spire]

That’s kind of what sin is too

Yeah

[proven jasper]

the same thing

[spice spire]

The only constant is outlaw

[royal lantern]

fuck outlaw

[spice spire]

And that graph is flat as the earth amen

[radiant raven]

Assa can't glow purple though.

[royal lantern]

we talk about rogue specs

[brittle fulcrum]

Stick people and then play the hokey pokey in their attack range kekw

[proven jasper]

On goddd brodie

[spice spire]

That’s what toys are for

[radiant raven]

oooh, true.

[uneven nymph]

wait

toys have a use?

[proven jasper]

[spice spire]

Yes

[marble hemlock]

ehhh, used to be but honestly at this point

im washed up (not just my guild's name)

[spice spire]

[marble hemlock]

been like what, a year and a half since i last streamed

[midnight mist]

Zeross stop yapping

[winged sun]

guys does ironwire work on non casters? (non elite mobs) for example Flamerender in GB?

[spice spire]

Buddy if you’re washed I’m rinsed and dried

[winged sun]

I DIDNT EVEN TYPE WHEN U SAID THAT ZAC

?!?!?

[marble hemlock]

all i do is write a guide at this point

[rotund oak]

I wouldnt advice u to start from sub.Assassination is the spec that is slow enough to give u time and space to learn the basic mechanics of the class.Outlaw is very fast paced,there is no reason to play it.Sub is the spec that needs to have trully mastered the basics and have a moderate experience of the class to start utilizing its kit.Just play assassination,learn and then if u dont like it u can always swap.

[midnight mist]

So?

[winged sun]

anyone knows

?

[royal lantern]

the DR? yes, if they can get silenced they get the DR cus they still have the silence effect on them

[uneven nymph]

ty

afking cuz q time for timewalking is 10-20 mins

[midnight mist]

Do you not play the game anymore

[uneven nymph]

😭

[marble hemlock]

i do

[spice spire]

He plays himself

[marble hemlock]

i mean, i still keep up with everything

[midnight mist]

Do you raid and shit

Or casual

[marble hemlock]

but like, i dont play 50 keys a week anymore

[royal lantern]

thats when you do other stuff like gathering or shitpost in RH

[marble hemlock]

ye still prog raid

[brittle fulcrum]

Easier to layer your Cds as sin? (I dont play sub)

[midnight mist]

Ok

[uneven nymph]

rh?

[spice spire]

Ravenholdt

[marble hemlock]

new guild since my old one died, first tier was like #150 on 3days no extra

so fairly okay

[uneven nymph]

oh perfect

[midnight mist]

Ye good

[uneven nymph]

its like i was made to play wow

[rotund oak]

wdym layer?Allign them?

[uneven nymph]

a lot of downtime

to shittalk

[midnight mist]

Yes because sin can pretty much press everything on cd

Everything aligns

[fallow canopy]

that's kinda cracked ngl

[midnight mist]

On sub it's weird till you understand how dance and sod works

[radiant raven]

One nice thing about Sub / Assa is both'll end up using Daggers in MH and OH. This means swapping to try the other doesn't need a new weapon. So you can try both and enjoy both easily enough.

[brittle fulcrum]

Ye I figured that was the reason sin barely has cds and they line up

I mostly ask cus I havent looked at how sub playsi n years

[midnight mist]

Plays the same

[radiant raven]

Just with more bugs and our SecTec clones have been replaced by ghosts.

[brittle fulcrum]

I literally havent been in sub spec since what like cata when shuriken storm was a combat ability wasnt it?

[midnight mist]

I just remembered you didn't play sec tech in SL did you

How boring must it have been

[radiant raven]

I don't think so. I think we only began using it in S1 DF? And then in 2 and onward it became a really good, fun and iconic ability.

[marble hemlock]

nah we fucking sucked

like, legitimately

everyone was mentally checked out before silken died

[fallow canopy]

I mean its still good for # 150 3 days/week at least from my scrub pov

[rotund oak]

both sin and sub are specs with ''burst'' profile,which means most of their dmg comes in their ''burst windows''.Deathmark+kingsbane for sin and Sblades+sob+flag into back to back dances for sub.Sub is WAY BURSTIER than sin.Sub prolly one of the burstier specs in the game and the way sub works right now u cant rly put everything into a macro,press it and do massive amounts of dmg.Its plays around them.The most ''textbook'' rotation that never fails is that of assassination.Deathmark ALWAYS alligns naturally with kingsbane(one has 2min cds the other 1min cd).So u press once both which is the ''big window'' and once u press only kingsbane which is the ''small window''.Those if u play in a disciplined manner NEVER FAIL to allign,ever.

[brittle fulcrum]

Im aware ❤️

[limber lion]

Damage being more frontloaded is maybe a better description than burstier

Sub just does damage instantly, we have to ramp

[brittle fulcrum]

I dont think weve met yet but I pretty much only play sin I was more.. unsure how to describe its differences to sub

[limber lion]

On a sidenote, Outlaw's damage graph is fucking funny

[brittle fulcrum]

WOW

[limber lion]

Not a single peak to be found

[marble hemlock]

looks less cursed now than it did early expac at least

[spice spire]

Flat as the earth as god intended

Amen

[brittle fulcrum]

Permanent subterfuge = permanent adrenaline

[proven jasper]

Sub had a period of being pretty flat as well in shadowlands yeah?

[vital haven]

yes

[proven jasper]

cursed time

[brittle fulcrum]

REALLY?

[proven jasper]

ya

[vital haven]

shadowlands and first half of DF i think

[proven jasper]

its when they were dancing like constantly

[brittle fulcrum]

Good daamn im glad I pretended shadowlands never happened

[radiant raven]

Everything on cooldown, iirc. Non-stop dances, just blast.

[proven jasper]

Sub rn is peak, just some small annoyances

[severe sparrow]

SL was the only time i ever mained sub

lol

[proven jasper]

Like ds

[brittle fulcrum]

When it was a full on face roll spec?

[severe sparrow]

yeah i think i reluctantly swapped because it was so much ahead of sin?

it's my least favorite of the 3 specs

just about killed myself irl when i tried to swap to it for smoldy prog in amirdrassil

[proven jasper]

I found it insanely fun on smoldy

But ive been playing it since s2 shadowlands now

[severe sparrow]

i would have if i was any good at it haha

[proven jasper]

Or s3 around then

[severe sparrow]

i was so bad at it that me staying as sin was the same dps

[radiant raven]

I adore modern Sub, even with all it's issues and bugs and issues, and bugs, and bugs, and SecTec ghost animation issues.

And with it's constantly desire to murder me with coup de grace.

[proven jasper]

Nothing compares to the sectech dopamine

in ur cd’s

[brittle fulcrum]

I just miss sepsis

[proven jasper]

I only liked it on assa

Flag totally feels meant for sub

In every way

[radiant raven]

Yeah, absolutely

[shy nest]

how good is maghar orc atm? seen some swapped to it

[livid bronze]

I'm trying to improve my overall damage and working with a few weakauras that track and help with kingsbane. Is there a mechanic with Kingsbane and vanish that I am missing? Most of these have the kingsbane icon glow when you should vanish. Is that just a signal to vanish and start the rotation over?

[uneven nymph]

do we have a macro that binds the use of cold blood when i use vanish?

[brittle fulcrum]

It looks like its probably weaker in damage than base orc/tauren/dwarf id guess its for dot resist? I cant imagine 102 secondary stats makes it better for damage

[uneven nymph]

so that i can crit with my garrrote

[proven jasper]

I do not recommend that

[uneven nymph]

waht do i use my cold blood with?

[proven jasper]

You want cold blood on envenom

[uneven nymph]

ohhh

ok

like which to which

bind on the use of envenom or bind on the use of cold blood

and would that replace envenom out of my skill bar

the macro

[proven jasper]

i would press it separate but thats me

[shy nest]

yeah I thought so, it did get buffed a while ago so was just currious, im dwarf atm

[proven jasper]

If you cant just put cold blood on ur envenom button

[raven hazel]

.. #showtooltip Envenom
.. /Cast coldblood
.../cast Envenom should work

[proven jasper]

^

[raven hazel]

then just replace your envenom with the macro

obv take out the dots

[uneven nymph]

#showtooltip Envenom
/Cast coldblood/cast Envenom should work

[brittle fulcrum]

If you wanna use CB on cooldown 100%

[raven hazel]

^

[uneven nymph]

#showtooltip Envenom
/Cast coldblood

#showtooltip Envenom
/Cast coldblood/cast Envenom should work