assassination

[slate crown]

[west crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

quake?

[pure moth]

yeah

[keen spruce]

idk he former green name

that's like

basically the police

[pure moth]

its too late, ive accepted him

[keen spruce]

narc

[hallow pelican]

636 ascendance dagger or 636 dawnthread feet? all things being equal

[frigid niche]

Struggling with climbing m+ (currently 3100)
Feels bad because I feel forced to swap to dwarf because undead racial sucks unbelievably bad

[keen spruce]

dawnthread for keys

probably ascendance for long ST

raid stuff

but sim it idk

it's probably not a huge difference

[hallow pelican]

well id think going from a 626 to a 639 dagger would be the bigger DPS increase, but its not a matter of sims, its a matter of preference

[keen spruce]

well you definitely don't need to switchat 3100

dwarf is nice to have tho

[balmy condor]

the embellishments are equal, but 3 ilvl on boots is better than 3 ilvl on offhand, so 639 boots would be better and so I'm gonna say if you're comparing those two slots, it's gotta be the dagger

but also it's like 0.1% and they're both passive and none of it matters

do whatever you want

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

HUGE GAINS

[balmy condor]

sim it again until it's 0.1%

I waas off by a factor of two

thats crazy

fk this theorycrafter headass

[keen spruce]

frfr

[gloomy heart]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-hasbulla-magomedov-hello-hi-hasbulla-hi-gif-16517238265127501476

[marble hemlock]

could be more than that depending on how its rounding

[balmy condor]

raidbots truncates

so you're right

[marble hemlock]

i dont speak latin

[balmy condor]

could be almost a factor of 3

[marble hemlock]

which is basically 10

[balmy condor]

not quite

[marble hemlock]

so you were off by an order of magnitude, pmuch

well but almost

[keen spruce]

literal 10% dps increase

to switch embelishments

purple and green name confirms

[balmy condor]

that's why I'm not doing damage in m+

I have an ascendence dagger!

[keen spruce]

wait no

other way around

[split grail]

We should send mass suggestions to blizz. Personally I think Venomous Wounds should reduce the cd of Thistle Tea if you are already energy capped when killing a ruptured enemy.

[balmy condor]

I mean

that is AN idea

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/474756442793181184.webp?size=96

stealing

[bronze pike]

heres a good sin fix

havent done one of these in awhile

ehem

[balmy condor]

please god no

I'm still reeling from the venomous wounds thing

he's still typing

kill me

[marble hemlock]

want me to call the owl?

[bronze pike]

dart frog poison: Coats your weapons with a Lethal Poison dar frog poison that lasts for 2 hour. Each strike has a 25% chance of poisoning the enemy which instantly inflicts (100.4% of Attack power) Nature damage stacking up to 5 times. on the 5th application the target explodes and spreads 5 stacks of the poison dart frog poison on up to 8 targets. theres a 10% chance to inflict a 6 stack thus stunning the target for 5 seconds (3 in pvp)
(Proc chance: 40%)

i figured

sin needs a better more unpdated poison

iknstead of icky deadly poison

[marble hemlock]

dawt fwog poison: coats youw weapons with a wethaw poison daw fwog poison thawt wasts fow 2 houw. Each stwike has a 25% chance of poisoning the enemy which instantwy infwicts (100.4% of attack powew) natuwe damage stacking up tuwu 5 times. own the 5th appwication the tawget expwodes awnd spweads 5 stacks of the poison dawt fwog poison own up tuwu 8 tawgets. thewes a 10% chance tuwu infwict a 6 stack thus stunning the tawget fow 5 seconds (3 in pvp)
(pwoc chance: 40%)

[balmy condor]

so you just made amp poison but caustic spatter

[bronze pike]

dawt fwog poison: coats youw weapons 🤺 with a wethaw poison daw fwog poison thawt wasts fow 2 ❕ houw. Each 👏👏 stwike has 👏💹 a 25% chance 😱 of poisoning the enemy 👿👹😡 which 🙌😩 instantwy infwicts (100.4% of attack powew) natuwe damage 💥 stacking up 🏇🏻🤡 tuwu 5 🕠 times. 💫 own 😠 the 5th appwication the tawget expwodes awnd spweads 5 🎄 stacks 📷 of the poison dawt fwog poison own 💁 up ☝️🔝 tuwu 8 🕗 tawgets. thewes a 10% 😂 chance 😱 tuwu infwict a 6 👆🤘 stack 📚📚 thus 😂 stunning the tawget fow 5 🕠 seconds 🕒 (3 🕞 in 😏 pvp) (pwoc chance: 🙅 40%) 🎂🤪😈

[bronze pike]

its a unique idea

:(

[marble hemlock]

not all ideas are good ideas

in fact, the vast majority of them are not

[balmy condor]

my favorite is when people suggest ideas as if blizzard is going to take them and just toss them into the game

knowing full well that if someone suggests something in public, it's already dead

blizzard can't just crowdsource abilities do you know what a fucking PR nightmare that would be

[marble hemlock]

hey

HEY

they crowdsourced m+ seasonal dungeons

and we got iron docks

[bronze pike]

sowhat your saying

if i say more ideas

then sin will never be fixed

[marble hemlock]

does assa need fixing atm?

kinda feel like it doesnt?

seems to be doing well in pvp, m+ and raid

[keen spruce]

assas feelin pretty gud rn

[bronze pike]

no

we must change

[balmy condor]

I'm saying making forum posts about your fresh new ideas would be a guaranteed way to instantly kill it

[bronze pike]

for the sake of changing

[bronze pike]

[marble hemlock]

with that logic we must shut up for the sake of shutting up

[bronze pike]

so that shammy guy who shits up the forums with random idea threads

is actively harming multiple specs

sadge

[balmy condor]

y'all learned nothing from when realz was here and it shows

[hallow pelican]

its the MH not OH ... i dont raid mythic and I dont M+ ... i'll probably MH since ive got a pair of boots ready to replace the dawnthread ones

[balmy condor]

okay so you don't raid and you don't m+

you should then craft the main hand dagger

[runic hinge]

DELVE GOD

[balmy condor]

and then every other slot

cause 636 is the best you're ever getting

you have no access to myth track

[fallow canopy]

wait how do you get gilded without raiding or m+, does delves give gilded crests?

[marble hemlock]

last 2 heroic

[balmy condor]

he doesn't raid

[hallow pelican]

i did heroic and I have all the cool rare shit from it ... court and queen drop gilded

[balmy condor]

and I don't ask questions

I just answer them

[marble hemlock]

he said he doesnt raid mythic

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah okay then

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

so just craft every slot 636 starting with main hand

[fallow canopy]

fair

[hallow pelican]

I said i dont raid MYTHIC ... not that i dont raid AT ALL

[bronze pike]

real (z)

no but seriously i always knew

its just fun to post troll sin fixes

sorry if i caused trouible

[balmy condor]

you play ret pala, of course you cause trouble

[fallow canopy]

I'm blind my bad

[balmy condor]

that's spec identity at its finest

[hallow pelican]

im part of the other 75% that doesnt bother with mythic cause im too fuckin old to give a shit about maxxing every slot every patch

[bronze pike]

actually based

[bronze pike]

i love my spec

[balmy condor]

someone has to

[runic hinge]

like 3% of people touch mythic raiding, maybe less

[balmy condor]

um actually tony mythic raiding is too easy that's why I do +39 grim batol at 11:30am on a tuesday

yes I am unemployed

yes I have mental issues

we exist.

[runic hinge]

Its all scripted just kill the boss

[balmy condor]

true

[hallow pelican]

I prefer to save my sanity by avoiding M+ since its now horrible and awful and a cancerous growth on WoWs scrotum

[balmy condor]

couldn't have said it better myself

modern shakespeare

[keen spruce]

mini game fun

[balmy condor]

the most fun wow mini game is closing it and doing something else

[marsh storm]

Rando question. I’m still a little confused when to use vanish with Master Assassin in aoe. I have to cast it before kingsbane procs, right? Or is it fine to use simply as improve garrote, indiscr spam?

[balmy condor]

you should be using it for improved garrote/carnage basically 95% of the time

the othe 5% being on a long boss fight where you would still be using it for improved garrote, but also for master assassin during kingsbane

when you vanish in that regard is of little concern as long as the buff reaches the end of kingsbane

[marsh storm]

Gotcha, i got a little confused with it due Cev's plater which has Vanish shown at the start of kingsbane

[balmy condor]

I'm unfamiliar

but yeh

in M+ you can basically forget about master assassin

single target improved garrote during deathmark

aoe for carnage

and master assassin is just there and does its thing

[marsh storm]

ah cool, yea m+ feels a bit stressfull to get that button in

or mob ded anyway

[humble verge]

is plunderstorm actually back

or was it next parch

patch

oh nvm

14th of jan

[coral ibex]

here's a tip dont vanish for master assassin while your opener MA buff is still ticking down

subterfuge bug

[humble verge]

idk

wa doesnt show MA buff kinda sad

but i think i dont fuck it up anyways

[winged sun]

That’s because you don’t have a MA wa

[fading vigil]

okay questions

I'm progging princess and i get massacre line

is it okay to cloak it

[balmy condor]

yes

[fading vigil]

or does it fuck up mechanics?

okay nother questions

[balmy condor]

you just won't have cloak for intermission

[fading vigil]

when i'm doing ST and bane is running

and then garrote runs out

but kingsbane has like 2 or 3 seconds

do i re aply

or just smash envon

[balmy condor]

of course you reapply

[fading vigil]

okay sorry lol

[balmy condor]

letting garrote or rupture drop

is legit the worst possible thing you could do

also why would the alternative be to envenom

alternative would be to mutilate, no?

[fading vigil]

yes, i'm saying like do i priortize ramping up envonment

[balmy condor]

oh

well it shouldn't impact that

you have the envenom buff

gg job done

hitting twice with mutilate is nice but is a grain of sand in the dessert

nearly 90% of the poisons you apply are purely from auto attacks

so you garroting versus squeezing in a double hit from a mutilate

is pretty much irrelevant

[neon thunder]

~wa

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[elfin flame]

Something i try to do in ST in m+ is slamming shiv on cd between kbs, or at least as much as i can remember to. but i was wondering if u macro tea to shiv, and you press this macro outside of your kb - isn't this a bad use of your tea? or does it not make a meaningful difference

[balmy condor]

No meaningful difference

Auto-proccing the tea is fine too

[dawn seal]

Hey whispyr may I ask somefin

or anyone do u guys pool energy on m+ st

I am suppose to go ooe right

[balmy condor]

you're supposed to go oom

[dawn seal]

I feel like i am going oom too much

[balmy condor]

idk what that means

you press your buttons, you run out of energy

that's how it works

[dawn seal]

Okay so I shouldn't try to pool energy

[balmy condor]

no

[dawn seal]

!pool

Oh

Tyty

[balmy condor]

especially if you're playing sanguine blades

[dawn seal]

[balmy condor]

you don't wanna be above 50% anyway

[dawn seal]

Oh yeah that talent is confusing me

[dawn seal]

Aren't I suppose to try to be above %50 to benefit from it

[balmy condor]

below 50% in single target

[dawn seal]

Ohhh

[balmy condor]

you don't want to benefit from it in single target

it's a purely aoe talent

[dawn seal]

Yeah I mean m+ build feels super weird

On st

I love it on aoe

[balmy condor]

it's pretty much the same as it is in raid but slightly slower idk

[dawn seal]

I suppose that is true

How's ur day going so far

[balmy condor]

fine, finished some work

[dawn seal]

Ohh

[balmy condor]

bit sick

[dawn seal]

That's cool

[balmy condor]

otherwise just chill

[dawn seal]

Noo hope u get well soon

[balmy condor]

ty

[dawn seal]

How do u guys keep ur damage up on ulgrax intermission

[balmy condor]

pick a mob and spatter

[golden loom]

its kinda whatever now, I just play internal bleeding to parse since only boss damage counts so I am deadweight in intermissinon

[balmy condor]

that works too I guess

[golden loom]

just dot some stuff press some fan of knives idk

[dawn seal]

I did a gray parse

Yesterday

9

[balmy condor]

well the intermission is removed from parses

[dawn seal]

Oh so

The damage I do to adds don't count

[balmy condor]

so you giga fucked the single target

[dawn seal]

Then

[balmy condor]

yes

[golden loom]

its kinda funny playing that boss after the parse change, like even on warrior I went full single target, feels so grief

[balmy condor]

add damage does not contribute

[dawn seal]

I am cooked

I feel like when I don't fuckup my death mark

I fuck up on my down time

So it affects my overall

I also fuckup dmark

[balmy condor]

incredibly hard to fuck up down time on this spec

but sure

[dawn seal]

Sometimes

Oh really

So if I do every cd burst correctly I should be fine

More or less

I ll slam more dummies

Thanks

[balmy condor]

I mean unless you're just throwing yourself off a cliff between kingsbnaes and losing your deathstalkers mark or dropping gar/rup

[golden loom]

just make sure you are in first soak group on ulgrax and it plays itself

[balmy condor]

that's kinda the only thing that can go wrong

[dawn seal]

I sometimes

Don't get my ambush

It feels weird especially on blood bound

[balmy condor]

when I do log reviews I've gotten in the habit of skipping from kingsbane to kingsbane cause idc what's between them

[dawn seal]

Lmao

Makes sense

[violet zinc]

Ive been simming my character and it says that sacbrood+skardyn is the best combination, but many rogues out there don't use it, and when i sim them it also says that the arakara trinket is better than the empowering crystal. Should I follow the sim advice or the rogue logs? I also have similar haste

[balmy condor]

sims are smarter than humans

[dawn seal]

I think mr sim is usually correct

Yes

[balmy condor]

but if you don't wanna run sacbrood, just don't

not gonna make a difference

[violet zinc]

ok, thank you!

[dawn seal]

I feel that I accidently marked the intermission add

Yesterday

[balmy condor]

what's wrong with that

[dawn seal]

Oh

[balmy condor]

mark should always be on the thing you're hitting

so seems good to me

[golden loom]

you should always get ambush off but sometimes you throw up on your keyboard in the opener, this was somehow a 74 parse even playing without mark entire P1

[dawn seal]

So I shouldn't save it

[balmy condor]

wdym save it

[dawn seal]

Ehh

I think 2nd death mark on first boss comes on intermission right

I was kinda sometimes saving it after intermission

[balmy condor]

you should be holding your darkest night for when you need to swap targets

I mean what does it matter

[dawn seal]

Oh

[balmy condor]

you mark the add you get your darkest night back

[dawn seal]

Oh

I meant death mark not death stalkers mark

[balmy condor]

oh

[golden loom]

yeah you dont deathmark anything in intermission

[balmy condor]

you should be only using deathmark on the boss yes

no cds for intermission

they die too fast

[dawn seal]

Oka oka

[golden loom]

as soon as he is fed you pretty much do your opener again

[dawn seal]

Is anyone able to check my horrendous

Log

[balmy condor]

sure

[gloomy heart]

i have done pve at all for like 3 days hope im not washed

[balmy condor]

you were washed before bud

[gloomy heart]

true and real

[dawn seal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YkhGAFvb9NTwBRtd?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=10

[gloomy heart]

maybe i should play ret pally so i dont have to use my brain so much

[dawn seal]

Its 2nd boss cuz

On first boss I even forget to hit buttons

Boss was out of my range cuz I didn't realise it

[neon thunder]

if you are on 5CP and garrote is on pandemic - is it better to garrote then finish on 6CP or just do the finisher on 5CP and garrote next GCD.

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter

[gloomy heart]

i log on, shmeeps farms me, i log off

[little tulip]

hey do we use fan of knives in 2 target

in mythic keys

on silken even? ?_?

[balmy condor]

2 for deathstalker if you're talented itno ct

3 otherwise

[little tulip]

cool also happy holidays whispyr

awawawa

[balmy condor]

you too

[rotund oak]

i refuse to accept that,go back and kick his @ss

just win

its simple

[gloomy heart]

wat did i miss in 3 days

did whispyr kill queen

[balmy condor]

we haven't raided in over a week cause of holidayts

[gloomy heart]

i hope you kil it

[slate crown]

I believe in you you can right this wrong. don't give up

[broken moth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[amber brook]

When the tier set also has the word gambler on it, they are def hinting fatebound to be opop

[pliant remnant]

When the tier set also has the word spectral in it, they are def hinting that we'll be invisible on the meters

[elfin flame]

amen ty!

[sharp viper]

dio mio what are you cooking in that thread

[storm hedge]

Is taking one point of Scent of Blood worth on Silken court? I was thinking I would swap Arterial precision for it, which might make burst windows during cds weaker. Not sure, sim says on 2 target cleave it is 1% better, but that doesn't take into account damage increase windows and intermissions.

[balmy condor]

it is not

you don't have enough uptime on 2 targets for it

same reason why crimson tempest isn't taken

although crimson tempest is also better on 2 target

[sharp viper]

how many pulls did you guys have on silken court progress?

[balmy condor]

you don't wanna know

[sharp viper]

I do

that's why I asked

[hearty reef]

Facts and logic

Descartesean even

[balmy condor]

295

[sharp viper]

that's not too bad

I mean it sounds dreadful

[balmy condor]

you're right, it's not too bad

it's actually horrible

really fucking bad

its far worse than bad

[sharp viper]

but our raid team gets to progress the easy version

post nerf

[balmy condor]

this tier has been a fucking disaster for our guild

court almost caused a disband

[sharp viper]

oof THAT is horrifying

[bronze horizon]

295 almost causing a disband is kind of wild, seems like more issues than just the boss.

I say this because I've had experience with wipe counts in the 300+ range. even had a wipe count around the 500 mark way back

[balmy condor]

yes

we've also had wipe counts in the 500's

but 500 wipes on a 500 wipe boss

is not the same at 295 wipes on a 120 wipe boss

you gotta understand we are over DOUBLE the average pulls on court

that's not fucking good lmao

we're in the top 1% of guilds by pull count

[bronze horizon]

You know, that's fair. But also shit happens

[balmy condor]

yeah

shit that splits the guild

[bronze horizon]

Curious the kind of shenanigans that were happening, same 1-3 people messing up or is it the classic thing of just different people screwing up every pull?

[balmy condor]

5-6 people

bad planning by officers

[drifting cloud]

think that would require that number to start with a 4

[bronze horizon]

oof

[balmy condor]

idk some number guy said it

[drifting cloud]

doesnt sound like hes good with numbers then :d

[balmy condor]

man leave me alone man

like I give a fuck

[bronze horizon]

lmao

bro even though I think I could play at a high level in a higher end guild I just can't put myself in that kind of environment anymore. shits stressful when everybody is sweating out of their mind

[drifting cloud]

im just trying to help ok whispyr!

[bronze horizon]

I just play in a guild full of friends and I'm happy with my 98-99% parses

[drifting cloud]

theres many levels to it, just depends what you think higher end is

you can be a CE guild and just ride the nerf waves

raiding 6h a week

[bronze horizon]

I consider higher end an actual CE guild, maybe top 500 guilds or something idk

My guild has gotten CE a few times

plus there's always the feeling that you know hits when you jump ship from one guild to another, go from big fish in a small pond to small fish in a bigger lake

[drifting cloud]

its not that black and white

and parsing alot of the times doesnt correlate with being a good prog player

but yeah it definetly helps when youre applying

[bronze horizon]

I mean true, I usually learn pretty quick and end up having to tune out the rest of the prog lmao

though that's just with my guild, it's always like a good half of the people that learn quick then it's just us waiting for it to click for everybody else.

[drifting cloud]

that never really goes away

just the parameters get stricter or the number of people gets smaller

[bronze horizon]

Fair.

[keen spruce]

I love that every RL complains about no-mechanic doing parse monkeys on their team

and "don't worry about damage just learn the fight"

but will then look at trials and their entire evaluation is just "oh he got pink parses gud"

even Max did it in season 1

when he made his 4 fun raid team

with public applications lol

[bright tartan]

raid

[keen spruce]

and if you think it goes away it just means you're now on a team where you're the 50% that isn't getting it

[drifting cloud]

might aswell for a 4fun late CE push

he can tell them everything, they just had to press buttons!

[keen spruce]

well he did explicitly say that he wasn't just looking at parse numbers

because they don't matter

but then did exactly that

to be fair though, there were a LOT of apps

and like

you can prefilter by parse

cuz idc how good at mechanics you are

if you're blue parsing on reclears

[golden loom]

watching the undercover raid leading stuff is goated for that reason, seeing the impact of someone who knows how to raidlead in random pugs

[keen spruce]

then

[keen spruce]

I cameo'd in one of those

fun content

the people actually grinding out the AOTC were so fking stoked

getting those kills

[golden loom]

yeah I watched them before I played any wow at all and then re-watched them now after starting this season

tbh it made me think AOTC was gonna be crazy hard

[keen spruce]

razegath was a pretty hard aotc

but there is a large section of the player base

that AOTC is like peak content for them

and it's a big achievement

[golden loom]

kinda get to only do the fun content (heroic) that way tbh

[drifting cloud]

yeah rasz really one of those few bosses where its straight up a better fight on heroic than mythic

doesnt really happen on endbosses

[keen spruce]

certified hood classic on heroic

intermission nightmare on mythic

[golden loom]

without any prior knowledge (outside of vanilla raids), heroic nerubar has to be rated pretty highly right?

not any unfun fights imo

had to check how much i've done the raid and it does seem like many "court+queen" runs end on court

[keen spruce]

I think it's a pretty good heroic raid

and mythic ovinax/court are stinkers

but the rest I think is decent

queen is kind of meh

the first 4 though I think are well made and well placed

and kyveza is cool

i've heard pretty mixed reviews of this tier

[golden loom]

yeah 4/8 pugs are fun every week

[keen spruce]

and i'm not raiding seriously

anymore

[radiant raven]

I liked it a lot on Heroic. I think Ansurek is probably a teeny bit too hard for casual groups, but not in a bad way. I like the fight a lot personally, but people struggle with P1 a lot more than you'd think. I only really raid heroic (and sometimes pug Mythic) for my perspective. Ky'veza owns, Sikan owns, I like court a lot on heroic, too. Ovi'nax is annoying but most of it is hitbox issues and people not paying attention to mechanics.

Week 1 heroic was an absolute ton of fun up until Queen, too.

[royal lantern]

heroic palace is a GREAT heroic raid

mythic is eeeeeeehhhh......

[radiant raven]

I think Ky'veza looks really fun on Mythic. And I like the second boss on Mythic, but those are my only Mythic thoughts about content I don't even really do.

[royal lantern]

biggest Problem is that the difficulty curve is giga fucked (first 4bosses are legit a joke and can be done with 0problems by a generic heroic andy) followed by 4 walls

where only kveza is a GOOD fight

ovinax sucks cus its visual overload and just not fun

court is court

[humble verge]

me when mythic ovi

[royal lantern]

queen is kinda w/e, doesst really feel cool

[humble verge]

[radiant raven]

Mythic ovinax seems like a nightmare of terrible design decisions

[pliant remnant]

me when mythic ovi

[humble verge]

(im about to get testicular tortion from all the WA's twisting my mind)

[pliant remnant]

[royal lantern]

release mythic ovi is just.... how did that release?

4sec to do the egg pairs? REALLY???

[radiant raven]

Yeah

[humble verge]

4 seconds is doable tho

[royal lantern]

and then post a "we dont like that people use wealauras" bs again

[radiant raven]

Absolute nonsense. And then there's the ion article going "well you see addons.."

[humble verge]

like

im pretty much lined up

[radiant raven]

And like lmao just design better fights!!

[humble verge]

with 3 seconds left

[royal lantern]

4sec to make 4 pairs of 2 people??

[humble verge]

when we were progging

[humble verge]

yes, totally possible

just dont be an idiot

tbh

[royal lantern]

mate, you never saw the 4sec version lol

dont talk big

[humble verge]

nah i dont think id wanna do it

but i will argue its possible

[royal lantern]

saying "eh, its easy" wuen never doing it yourself is hilarious

[humble verge]

ovi is just giga coordination

but then again

people still struggle with 6 seconds

so idk

[radiant raven]

Possible but you'd have to be so precise every time, where a single second of thinking would wipe you. Terrible.

[humble verge]

ovi mythic?

[royal lantern]

im sure the ammount of guilds that would have killed it with the OG4seconds would barely be above 100

[solar wyvern]

HoF would still be open with unnerfed ovi haha

[humble verge]

jeez

[radiant raven]

Imagine the WA solutions though.

I bet they'd somehow be even more cursed

[solar wyvern]

It wasnt just the 4 seconds, it had crazy hp, and the damage output way higher

[royal lantern]

^

like sorry, but everytime i see somebody saying "oh it would be doable, just play good" i kinda laugh

[solar wyvern]

Theres a reason liquid and echo were on that boss for an extended period of time

[royal lantern]

cus its kinda obvious that its not thought trought

[humble verge]

im just saying, i never had problem with the eggs myself at any point, but i cant account for the rest of my guild

[solar wyvern]

I mean, you also had a WA put together and significantly more time with less awful swirl overlaps

Swirls + 4 second eggs are no joke

[radiant raven]

They should have a button that swaps bosses to different flavours of difficulty

Just put the boss on turbo hard OG mode as a joke

[humble verge]

would require too much effort on blizz' part

which they dont have money for

(they have to buy their yachts)

[radiant raven]

Probably an absolute nightmare to setup anyway

But it'd be funny. Just mess with your guild by putting the boss on unnerfed and not telling anyone

[royal lantern]

4seconds to notice that you got the debuff (which will take like 0,5-1sec by default cus human reaction Speed ), say "ill go to X egg" and somebody else doing it aswell, and actually moving there in the right position toghetrr so both eggs get hit

and that done by 8people at the same time in those 4sec, if 1misses ->wipe

[drifting cloud]

ok and? like 70 guilds killed that version

[humble verge]

you dont need to explain me something that i can realize myself is still hard for the average layman, even me

[drifting cloud]

so you dont have to exxagerate to make your point

[humble verge]

^

[royal lantern]

exxagerate????

thats the frking mechanic lol

[drifting cloud]

#assassination message

[royal lantern]

where tf is that exxagerated

[drifting cloud]

the first nerf was only the hp on adds but it was obvious that wasnt enough after 1day

so they hit him alot harder 2nd time

and gear is just insane factor those first few weeks of a tier

[solar wyvern]

I mean 70 guilds killed it with a WA, i thought the argument was about doing it natty

Or did i miss something

[royal lantern]

those 70 guilds are also WAAAAY above everyone else in skill level lol

[humble verge]

this comment started it all

[drifting cloud]

or maybe you can just admit you had no clue how many guilds killed that version

[royal lantern]

the gap bettwen the top 50 teams and the average wr 500-600team is a Canyon

[drifting cloud]

so you started chatting like crazy

[solar wyvern]

Oh if we're talking just prenerf with WA then ya ovi is totally doable, probably by all HoF guilds

At this gesr level

[radiant raven]

How many pulls, though

Probably a terrifying amount

[solar wyvern]

Eh probably like 3-400

Gear makes a big diff

[humble verge]

even post-nerf it took us like 150 pulls, shouldve been earlier but so many minor fuckups sadge, as i said the average layman have issues on the boss

[solar wyvern]

Maybe even less, i didnt pull prenerf ovi

[radiant raven]

Would've burnt a lot of people out, I think. And just made the raid a disgusting slog. And like, be bad.

Big slug bad

[solar wyvern]

Mhm, unlike tindral ovinax is pretty boring

[drifting cloud]

well ofc, thats why it got nerfed, because its difficulty was obviously not matching his raid position

[radiant raven]

that's my review of the raid: big slug bad, big spider good

[solar wyvern]

At least i could wipe on tindral and have a smile on my face

[humble verge]

yea, im pretty much getting a free train ride into queen rn

swapping guilds xd

[radiant raven]

Hell yeah

[drifting cloud]

I think you guys also forgot what kyveza did to rwf

[solar wyvern]

Well kyveza was unironically just overtuned haha

[radiant raven]

I do think 4s is too short a time for most people to react and do the mechanic consistently, repeatedly, through the fight though. Just ludicrous as a design choice.

[royal lantern]

tgats the point lol

the entire thin started with "how did ovi release like that anyway"

[solar wyvern]

Well, if you've pulled it 80+ times you've have noticed the pattern of assignments by the WA

Like I didnt have to memorize 4 spots, i memorized 2 since i was always star/circle

[royal lantern]

im personaly no fan of the entire "we make some raid mechanics extremely tightly tuned for the world first teams and then graduatly cut back stuff so other people can actually clear it"

it feels kinda backwards

[radiant raven]

That'd make it a lot better, yeah. Fair. Although!

Do you think it's possible without the WA?

[royal lantern]

espacially when it ends with some fights being "ye wait for a nerf"

[drifting cloud]

also it wasnt even 4seconds ... it was 6

[solar wyvern]

At 4 seconds, yes, it would just require insane preplanning and coordination. Basically all 20 players would have to memorize their "common spots" and react accordingly.

So like 3 guilds total xd

[solar wyvern]

Wasn't ptr ovi a private aura at 4 seconds haha

[radiant raven]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Possible but not in a realistic way.

[solar wyvern]

I honestly think Sikran and Rash were tuned too easy and thats why it feels this way. People weren't supposed to be on Ovinax week 1

Makes for nice first 4 pug runs, but it made for really weird difficulty curve

Either needed an extra boss between, like a magmorax/zskarn spot or rash to be tuned more difficult

[royal lantern]

oh yeha surely

difficulty curve is giga fucked

4bosses that fall over in 3-4 pulls at best

[drifting cloud]

mediocre guilds wiped plenty on rasha week1

[royal lantern]

cus they add literally nothing/only 1 thing that has no impact on the fight

it was REALLY weird

[drifting cloud]

they definetly didnt all kill it under 5pulls

[radiant raven]

second boss Mythic feels a lot better than heroic 'cos it's not just a tank fight.

[royal lantern]

first boss mythic mechanic? the webs stun instead of root and more hp lol

[radiant raven]

so much more hp. a stupid amount of hp.

[solar wyvern]

I mean liquid almost wiped to it haha, that was a wild ride

[royal lantern]

gear

[solar wyvern]

Bbh on week 1 felt amazing because the adds actually lived and you had kill squads and i could play trickster sub and go down first and just absolutely demolish the 3 adds

I cant do that anymore they die too fast 😦

[royal lantern]

i stopped swapping to adds at week3 lol

just 100% st boss

[solar wyvern]

Yeah as sin thats probably the choice

[radiant raven]

Hell yeah.

[royal lantern]

by the time i did rupture->mutilate for spatter, the guy is at 50% hp

[radiant raven]

BBH is a cool fight because I feel each difficulty brings more of it 'together'a nd Mythic actually feels really really good and well designed. Not killed it, but have foguth it, and liked it a lot.

First boss is just boring and takes too long

[solar wyvern]

Yeah ulgrax week 1 was like

Omg did we really just 4 phase this

[royal lantern]

nexus princess is the best fight this tier

[radiant raven]

hands down, I love her

[solar wyvern]

Princess is still great even tho u don't get to see intermission 3 anymore

[royal lantern]

fast paced but not overwhelming, mistakes are easy to see and improve, engaging

[solar wyvern]

Thats the real adrenaline rush

[royal lantern]

intermission 3 and the DK starts running around with lines for some reason :33

[grim jay]

also the fight where you spot your usual idiots

so easily

[dry ore]

hello giga gamers, for god's sake how do you manage your energy in ST in mm+ ? i always strugle with one target bosses like SV first boss. i always find myself out of energy and super hard to keep rupture, garrote and envenom buff up

[drifting ember]

hi 🙂 i am trying to further improve my gameplay and have a question regarding openers after the first pack in m+ when i (usually) have a darkest night procc active when engaging the next pack. Should I garrote, mutilate and trigger darkest night or should i rather garrote, garrote, rupture, rupture and then muti+7cp envenom to get the bleeds running on 5+ targets before triggering the darkest night procc? Thank you!

[dry ore]

depends on how many combo points u got also, if u got 5+ combo points better open with rupture
and depends on how long time left for your darkest night proc
usually i do rupture garrote x2 rupture fan of knives and mutilate (for caustic spatter) until 7 CP and envenom

[humble verge]

i go out of energy on purpose

gets me on my toes

nah well

my haste is so low in m+ now since i swapped out my sikran neck

kinda feel a difference

[dry ore]

i got 6% haste

xD

[humble verge]

barely 5

i was 14 before kek

[keen spruce]

you will not notice haste

in energy

[humble verge]

kinda feel it tho

might be placebo

[keen spruce]

it is placebo

but to answer the original quesiton

ur gonna run outta energy

in ST

m+

[dry ore]

is thresh hold u dont spend less than that ? like everytime u get to 50 energy, u just stop until it gets to a certain point ?

[keen spruce]

try to maximize envenom buff by not spamming constantly

and let the current one run down to pandemic before envenoming again

[humble verge]

if you dont wanna proc tea

[keen spruce]

but definitely never let rupture or gar drop

[humble verge]

dont mut under 80

and not envenom under 70

but obv if youre desperate for energy just use tea

[humble verge]

also this yea

youre gigastarved if you dont have these up

[keen spruce]

and you're going to starve out more in harder content because you're spending more energy on feint

[humble verge]

takes 300 years to get back to 45 energy just to redot garrote if you lose it

[dry ore]

exactly

[keen spruce]

but that's all normal

[humble verge]

last boss CoT on 15/16

[keen spruce]

yeah u just kind of suffer sometimes

[humble verge]

like

[keen spruce]

get energy back on the adds from tremor slam

[humble verge]

i might get envenom hit

[keen spruce]

by rupturing them

[humble verge]

MAYBE

every envenom buff

if its still up

[dry ore]

but im surely doing it bad, cuz i was doing 750-800k in 1st boss SV on a +13

rank 2 rogue was doing 1.2m

[keen spruce]

what ilvl?

[dry ore]

thats a huge diff

632

[humble verge]

with aug probably

[keen spruce]

yeah man

that's like

[dry ore]

y

[keen spruce]

missing a lotta gear

[humble verge]

dont compare ytourself

with missing gear

AND an aug

xd

[keen spruce]

also depends on how long that boss stays alive

group buffs

crits in CDs

[dry ore]

first SV hp is big fr fr

it takes a year to die

[humble verge]

hmm

my fastest 15 edna

3:35

but youre probably taking like 4 minutes tops

[keen spruce]

in a 10 I was doin like 1m dps

[dry ore]

did it 3:49

[keen spruce]

in 3m

in logs not details

[dry ore]

is there a guide for rotation in ST for m+ ?

[humble verge]

i average

between 900-1m on a 15

atleast on EDNA

[keen spruce]

yeah anything over 1m is pretty okay

[humble verge]

skarmorak is a different case

[keen spruce]

in most longer ST fights

cuz most bosses are gonna be 2 deathmarks

then rot

[keen spruce]

same as raid

st

wowhead should have it all

just dont' drop your bleeds

and maximize envenom uptime

use your CDs on CD

[scenic kelp]

do i have to manage thistle tea? do i need to have everytime over 30 energy to use it by myself or can i just spam abilitys? 😄

[keen spruce]

no

[dry ore]

u need to use it everytime with shiv for kingsbane, u leave at least 1 stack

[keen spruce]

I don't track it

I don't look at it

I simply pretend it doesn't exist

it's not on my bars

it's macro'd to shiv

and that's it

[dry ore]

in aoe u never need to track it but in ST yeah

[keen spruce]

you don't need to track it in st

[scenic kelp]

y in aoe im fine

is it new that it used automatic under 30 energy?

[dry ore]

you miss 30% mastery everytime with kingsbane

[scenic kelp]

dont remember it 😄

[dry ore]

its a talent

[keen spruce]

you never miss it

[scenic kelp]

y i know but at stat of exp it was not like this or?

[humble verge]

surely this isent copyright (clueless)

[keen spruce]

if you macro shiv with KB

shiv is 30s CD, tea recharges in 1m

it doesn't matter how many tea you drink in between

the tea you drank iwth your first shiv

and kb

will be up for your next kb

[dry ore]

only if u never fk up your kingsbane timing

if ur kingbane is up and low on energy and use mutilate

its gone

[humble verge]

honestly

[scenic kelp]

do i use shiv at the end of kb?

[humble verge]

sometimes having auto-tea feels good

[dry ore]

yeah

[humble verge]

but then again, its also not as rewarding sometimes

not realizing i procced it

[dry ore]

u track tea if u want to minmax

[humble verge]

idk, WA alreayd tracks it so

[dry ore]

exactly xD

[scenic kelp]

ty!

[dry ore]

just build some energy before using kingsbane, 140-180 is a very good spot

[humble verge]

(surely you wont have 30 energy when you pop KB like me)

i pop it out of convenience

[dry ore]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-suspicious-puppet-gif-2729624127692369191

me with 10 energy

[humble verge]

to just line up dm and kb together

[humble verge]

even tho like

the mob is literally 1m hp

[radiant raven]

Microsoft own Spyro, so.

Since it was an Activision property iirc, and the studio doing the remaster is now part of Blizzard

[scenic kelp]

so when i pop everything at start of bossfight in m+ with 1 shiv talent. i do dm into kb and after 8sec i pop shiv right?

[keen spruce]

shiv the end yes

KB's damage is backloaded

better to buff that damage than the first part

[scenic kelp]

y i understand

[humble verge]

ah yes, forgor

[scenic kelp]

tyvm!

[plush niche]

hey, just a random question, doesnt ambush sucks during a kingsbane ? i mean during deathmark's burst, when you vannish at ~6s of the end of kingsbane, do you want to get off the stealth using ambush or skip it by reapplying garrote first ? cuz ambush hits only once if i'm not mistaken so you apply less poinson and make scale less the kingsbane than a regulare mutilate ? am i right ?

i'm also wondering if a proc blindside doesnt fck up you're kingsbane

[grim jay]

you have max stacks at that point

[plush niche]

oh it goes that fast ?

[grim jay]

no max stacks easy to reach and you cant do anything against it

[plush niche]

okok nvm i thought you'd never rly reach the max

[grim jay]

its only 50 stacks now

[plush niche]

okok cool to know

i should use weak auras to track kingsbane's stack to see it growing i guess

thx o/

[grim jay]

nah you just ignore that it exists

and play like you are supposed to

really no reason to track

[golden loom]

also like 90% of your poison applications are through autoattacks so not something to worry about

[plush niche]

i used to prefer to deeply understand why i'm supposed to play a way or another rather than just doing it cuz ppl on wowlogs do it

[plush niche]

yeah, makes sens

[solar wyvern]

Hey at least the little scarabs give you some nice regen if your other dps dont zugzug aoe them

Was bing chillin 1.6m in the 17 i was doing until splice killed the healer (and then everyone else)

[subtle tundra]

last boss cot pretty nice

some quick rupture spam

[solar wyvern]

And you can route so you can end up pulling 2 little caster dudes for funnel as well

Great sin dungeon honestly

[solar wyvern]

Also varas since you're here, heard u played the bleed build some, where did it feel good, bad in higher keys? I played it in GB and it was pretty banger

[subtle tundra]

its just bad if you ever play with evoker

aug

[solar wyvern]

Ah yeah that makes sense

[nova aspen]

suggesting there is more than 1 evoker spec

[solar wyvern]

Hey man, theres like 3 dev's in title range

[subtle tundra]

i doubt

[nova aspen]

also do we have a confirmed date for season 2?

idk where i got Feb 11 from

[solar wyvern]

Nope, but late feb/early march seem likely. Tgp ends feb 26 iirc

[nova aspen]

ahh okay, nice

we killed mythic court saturday night so CE should be doable

pog

[pure moth]

Grats and goodluck on ce

[solar wyvern]

Oh yeah if you're done with court CE is doable af

You got 4.5% more buff on the way as well

[nova aspen]

i was worried with only 6 weeks to kill, but its more like 12 weeks lol

[solar wyvern]

Once you're past p1 and everyone has done a portal once, p3 falls over

[nova aspen]

10-12 weeks*

yeah i expect to brute force p3 and skip mechanics with this damage buff lol

we skipped last set of dispels on court

[solar wyvern]

Yeah it can die before 2nd ring easily

[nova aspen]

raiding only 2 days per week really drags out the season lol

but i think i'm preferring it over 3 days

[subtle tundra]

just raid 8 days a week

[nova aspen]

im not in a race to world first guild u silly goose

[subtle tundra]

id raid 8 days a week

if it meant we finish faster

but i guess finishing faster than i already do is impossible...

[nova aspen]

i would also raid that often but i have a full time job

[subtle tundra]

so do i

[nova aspen]

i don't work from home though

[subtle tundra]

me neither

[dawn seal]

!foo

[subtle tundra]

i have a normal ass job

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[dawn seal]

oh

ty

[subtle tundra]

my favorite shadowblade

foo

[dawn seal]

oh

okay this is interesting

so we dont play sudden demise now

🤔

[subtle tundra]

we do

[azure orchid]

!fuu

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[trim storm]

any here using hekili addon on mythics ?

[winged sun]

sin > outlaw in CoT

against the best outlaw in the game

[subtle tundra]

go to #outlaw

please

[winged sun]

???????????? its a sin post

[subtle tundra]

did you beat the best outlaw?

[winged sun]

my guy was playing HO in DF

rio doesn't mean hes the best at dps

[subtle tundra]

didnt ask

go to #outlaw

[winged sun]

didnt ask either

[subtle tundra]

you did

[winged sun]

about whos the best outlaw

didnt think so

[subtle tundra]

@midnight mist take your bot to the correct channel

! ! !

[winged sun]

EU > NA

[midnight mist]

sorry

[subtle tundra]

? i literally am EU

or wdym

[winged sun]

did i say u were NA

[midnight mist]

isnt wox eu

[winged sun]

no

[subtle tundra]

oh about that guy

why would i know

[winged sun]

it literally says NA

under his name

[midnight mist]

ye thats true

he must be na then

[subtle tundra]

theres EU people playing on NA, and NA playing on EU

i have in my guild jdotb playing from NA, on EU and kihu pushing on NA(fucking ill)

[midnight mist]

varas

why noob

[subtle tundra]

waaat

what did i do...

[midnight mist]

idk just felt like it

[subtle tundra]

"enjoying" my holidays

[spice spire]

Are you lost young Zachariah

[lyric coral]

how i move DM ot next target ?

[spice spire]

Deathstalker’s mark?

[short pond]

Kings

[spice spire]

Bane

[rotund oak]

what did i miss

some block msgs and varas pointing to outlaw channel

[spice spire]

Nothing at all

[gusty mirage]

wtf

[humble verge]

web killed my healer sadge

[limber lion]

Huh?

Are you confusing my plater for someone's weakaura package instead?

My Plater has no rotation helpers or anything whatsoever

[humble verge]

rotation helpers

sadge

just know what youre supposed to do 😭

[lost hamlet]

!fuu

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[dense badger]

Spam dummies for an hour, ez rotation helper

[slate crown]

That sounds like they're referring to my timeline

[limber lion]

Wrong person, wrong addon

[spice spire]

Rotation helper looking ass Smdh

Also if you made a weak aura for bdk lmk

[frail dust]

I feel like noob, the add on nw last boss is smurfing on me. any tips?

[spice spire]

Stun them

Evasion

Etc

That add fucks

[frail dust]

no evasion if sent back then just ?

i feel like i cant burst it before he punches me to death

[rotund oak]

can always ask for a res

[primal oasis]

Anyone else's wow client keeps freezing when alt-tabbing out? Pretty sure this never happened before 10.7

[rotund oak]

it was very laggy today,idk wahts happening.Did couple 11s it was cringy laggy

[primal oasis]

This is just so fking annoying, I basically can never alt-tab out of the game or it crashes

Blizz has really showcased a new level of incompetence I didn't even imagine to be possible this expansion

[rotund oak]

idk if it has to do with alttabbing though i can do that

might be ur system

[spice spire]

Full kidney is 7s of freedom. Can also kite, Incap, etc.
At high enough you can just rot down the boss and send kb when down

[primal oasis]

Nah it's the game

Everytime it happens my game also looks blurry and my rez setting is changed to custom

[spice spire]

I’ve not had this issue

[primal oasis]

When I want to change it, it just resets itself and I need to restart

Never happened before this recycled update

[rotund oak]

this sounds rly weird

ive never had this

why would the settings just swap

[primal oasis]

Me neither before update

And when I restart game it has changed from custom to 1920x1080 again

[rotund oak]

so weird

[spice surge]

Mine does that too sometimes, but not all the time when i alt tab

[primal oasis]

Yeah it's not all the time

[spice surge]

It changes to 1920x1081 instead of 1920x1080

[primal oasis]

Like 50% I'd say

[rotund oak]

can like

old drivers do that?

[primal oasis]

Yeah fuck this I'm just gonna play mass effect before I smash pc

[spice surge]

Idk mine are updated

But mine is like once every week

Not half the time i alt tab

[rotund oak]

we need a special kind of nerd that might knows

[spice surge]

But its probably driver related ye

[rotund oak]

its the only thing that comes to my mind man

idk

might be wrong

[primal oasis]

Wouldn't I have problems with other games as well if that's the case?

[rotund oak]

not all new drivers are compatible to all new games

[subtle tundra]

It used to do that quite often early in the expansion hasn't happened recently for me though

[rotund oak]

no i can alt-tab freely,nothing's wrong

[subtle tundra]

I had to alt f4 for it to fix

[rotund oak]

idk

[subtle tundra]

Restart the game a few times

[rotund oak]

so,when u tried to tab out from wow,to lets say type something on discord u had the game crushing?

or like swapping settings?

[subtle tundra]

Swap resolution

[rotund oak]

thats crazy to me man

if u preset a resolution by urself

how can a game change it

my brain is fried

[subtle tundra]

Going into settings didn't work

[rotund oak]

dynamic settings maybe

[subtle tundra]

Only solution was restarting until it behaved normally

[rotund oak]

ah so it swapped back?

LOL ur system needs a priest

[frail dust]

Thanks will just have to see again in 15

[rotund oak]

perform an exorcism or something

[primal oasis]

What I noticed is that when I set the res to 1080p it will just change back to custom when I press apply

But if I set it to default it doesn't change back to custom

However it does nothing to stop the freezing so I just gave up

According to some dude on reddit the windows 24H2 update causes it

[fresh kelp]

This happens every time my monitor goes to sleep since .5

Need to restart game

[rotund oak]

that i can accept and i dont hold any specific experty on the subject.When was the windows latest update?

(assuming its windows 10(?))

basicly nvm gonna google it myself

its windows 11

[primal oasis]

But I'm not sure when I did the update

Never had any problems before 11.7 either

[rotund oak]

hmm

idk,currently casting doubt on anything little i know

[subtle tundra]

I don't think i have windows 11

[rotund oak]

then u cant rly have the 24h2 update

its a windows 11 update

if u open ur drivers updater u can check ur latest update and see ur version

can also check from properties

Should I update to Windows 24H2?
GAMERS & Intel New CPU Users - Don't UPGRADE to Windows 11 24H2 Recently Microsoft has released known issues with 24H2 and it's not good news for gamers and Users with New intel CPU So if you enjoy gaming and have Intel 12th gen or newer 24H2, it may cause a blue screen for the games that use Kernel-level.

idk what kernel-level is,its what ive found relative to crushing games

[proven jasper]

win10 till it dies

I also had that res issue a couple months back though

hasn’t happened again and idk what fixed it

[slate crown]

you know you keep me on track with the stuff I've procrastinated on and just lived with

Thanks

[dawn seal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[spice spire]

You’re so welcome bestie

[thorn fjord]

Merry Christmas everyone

Hope yall had a good one

[potent lance]

guys i import an script for changing hp bar color for caustic spatter but it dont work how can i fix it?

[dense badger]

Is it from Shiv’s plater?

[potent lance]

y

:((

[dense badger]

Send screenshot of where you imported