assassination

[dawn heath]

its just completely faceroll

[storm forum]

you only look at stat weights for vanity reasons

[runic hinge]

yeah and less than 1% of people do that

[balmy condor]

whatever all +12's done is

[runic hinge]

your veiw point of the game is not real

LOL

[balmy condor]

I guess 2850

[dawn heath]

just because few people engage with the system doesnt make it hard

[sudden shale]

So crit = mastery is just a facade? lol

[runic hinge]

just cause you achieved something doesnt make it easy

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[rotund oak]

Dont ever,and for any reason,downplay urself for what uve achieved.2.8/multiglad/R1 rated arenas cannot be compared to anything pve,even CE.Its just waaaaay harder

[gloomy heart]

I do suck at pve atm

Im learning it tho

[dawn heath]

i invite rank 1 glads to my keys

they're all skilled players

[rotund oak]

climb that mountain fam 🤘

[balmy condor]

brother I've seen your logs what are you talking about

[gloomy heart]

I have set a goal for myself

So in my opinion

i suck

[storm forum]

pvp is hard. i can only do it when im getting soft boosted (a friend is doing all the shot calling and telling me exactly what to do)

[dawn heath]

growth mindset

i suck at rogue too

[polar rampart]

so they can change numbers and pretend its new content, instead of making more actual things for us to do

[balmy condor]

growth mindset of constantly shitting on yourself because you don't reach your own ridiculously high standards

based

[gloomy heart]

Thats why even if i have decent heroic parses, my mythic parses are terrible

[dawn heath]

i mean i'm just beeing honest

i compare myself to the top

[balmy condor]

true and real (do not look at 11.0.7 )

[dawn heath]

like

[runic hinge]

you're trash stop posting

[balmy condor]

okay, and what do you think makes them different to you

[gloomy heart]

whos doing it like me bro

im goated

[storm forum]

i had to get like three CEs before I realized i was doing something right

[dawn heath]

my man

[gloomy heart]

I still cant get a fucking 99 heroic parse

depression.

[runic hinge]

fucking brain rot to be top 100 in the world at something and think you're bad at it

go to a therapist

[gloomy heart]

Isnt top 10

Isnt top 5

Isnt #1

Bad!

[dawn heath]

i mean

i check casualaddicts vods

[runic hinge]

go to a therapist

please

[dawn heath]

i do 10% less damage

i am just bad

its just that simple

[runic hinge]

leave your bedroom

i beg you

[gloomy heart]

No!

[balmy condor]

it's so easy to fall into the rabbit hole of "well I got AOTC but I'm bad cause I don't have all 75+ parses, all 85+ parses, all 95+ parses all 99+ parses, cause I'm not 1/8M, 2/8M, 3/8M, 4/8M, 5/8M, 8/8M, CE, Top 1000, top 800, top 500, top 300, hall of fame, top 50, top 10"

[storm forum]

[runic hinge]

I got top 100 sin world once I'm happy

and lanille helped LOL

[keen spruce]

i have stumbled into 15 cot, gb, and mist today and yesterday

[rotund oak]

u are top in our hearts,all that matters

[keen spruce]

and 16 mist

[storm forum]

[keen spruce]

[storm forum]

huge

[dawn heath]

i'm suprised how many people have beeen running keys during christmas

[runic hinge]

I have our in game letter saved in my bank

[drifting cloud]

youre auto dqd as a boston fan

[storm forum]

that was

fucking wild

[runic hinge]

I'll come to europe rn and kiss you on the mouth

[storm forum]

i thought i was getting poached

[runic hinge]

Bro i was just a new baby rogue and was like who is the best assa on my server what do they know

[storm forum]

cause the only time people were getting in game mail on our server in shadowlands was to poach people

[rotund oak]

yup,less working means more free time,im even doing my 95 HC parses 😂

[storm forum]

which was also wild

now tony is the new best assa rogue in a non-CE guild on the server

[dawn heath]

i havent been into the raid for a few weeks

im falling behind on the buff

[runic hinge]

not this tier but I'm tired rn, I'll climb again s2 i swear

[storm forum]

Aljan if you get an alt to max level and do LFR once you have like 2 weeks worth of turn ins

[rotund oak]

i dont even have a buff!

dunno what buff it is tbh

im still gonna send the pain

[dawn heath]

the buff is massive

ur not gonna parse without the buff

[rotund oak]

watch me

[dawn heath]

its like

[rotund oak]

wipe the floor with wannabes

[dawn heath]

15% dmg gain or some shit

[rotund oak]

irrelevant to sin

[balmy condor]

[rotund oak]

we are just build different

[dawn heath]

i just don't see any reason to step in the raid right now

dont need any gear anymore

just for offspec

[rotund oak]

just for the achievs nothing more

maybe kill 4 boss Mythic to say to my self ive done something

next raid with the fat goblin looks amazing though

mount vibes

[dawn heath]

yeah i mean i could use the uhm very rare cloak but

it would be adps loss

just a defensive gain

[rotund oak]

yup,ive got it on HC

and the neck

both suck

crafting the good stuff soon

[dawn heath]

how are u not like

638? ilvl already

[runic hinge]

mastery vers for sub yaaaa?

[rotund oak]

im working man

[dawn heath]

u must work alot

[rotund oak]

ofc!

i work like 50h+ everyweek

[dawn heath]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/ravencrest/Ahoymatey

i'm pretty much gearcapped

[rotund oak]

im 635,just by spaming 10-11s

and i havent crafted 3-4 stuff

and i dont have trinkets

have i played half the time ild be in that range for sure

anyway,gonna bounce,need to bring some wood for the fireplace and light it up

[dawn heath]

o7

[blazing pumice]

I'm sure they'll introduce a busted trinket next tier that forces people to suffer through raiding

[dawn heath]

this take is just extremely untrue

all those "powerful" items are usually sub 1% compared to other bis alternatives, and they also said that they will introduce this dinar system so u will get these items eventually.

[runic hinge]

branch was a thing

[dawn heath]

you do feel behind on gear early on in a season compared to mythic raiders but by like week 8 in a season you are probably less than 1 ilvl behind someone who has cleared the mythic raid a few times

[gloomy heart]

i started late this season

im 637

[dawn heath]

ye

gear doesnt matter

[dawn heath]

also people cope thinking that their one 626 trinket is the reason they are blue parsing like bro come on

gear is not the problem

[gloomy heart]

yeah

[dawn heath]

skill is always the most important metric by a fuck ton, then its gonna be the raid you play in, kill times etc, then its gonna be RNG and gear that's usually a smaller portion of the result

[static glacier]

this begs the question

is blue parsing bad, it's by definition above average

[dawn heath]

i'm not convinced its better than average alot of gray parses are just dead players imo exclueded from the pool. But that's not really what i'm discussing, i'm saying there is a bunch of people that feel like "they need to raid" to do well or they need X, Y,Z item blowing the relevance of these items out of proportion massively. there is nothing u can't do because u dont have this item

[static glacier]

I mean

[blazing pumice]

isn't the caster trinket busted this tier

[static glacier]

you can't just assume all gray are dead especially on the later bosses

[runic hinge]

for every pink someone has to be grey

[static glacier]

yeah I agree on the whole skill >>>>> gear

but I've really been questioning the whole idea of parse culture, feels like the goalposts have constantly been moving

[blazing pumice]

1% dps differences are an issue when keys are tight and you're only timing shit by seconds

you have to work harder for it

[rotund oak]

mog too shinny but i dig

[jaunty sky]

You guys gotta remember

You're the ones moving the goal posts

[static glacier]

it's people around you

too

[winged sun]

[static glacier]

some people I know will look down on average parses that aren't orange

[jaunty sky]

Sure

But their view on the whole game is different

[static glacier]

game 1 vs game 2

[jaunty sky]

Yeah exactly

[dawn heath]

I only did this with myself

[jaunty sky]

A lot of people are very happy to clear normal and most people talking in class discords are falling asleep in heroic cause it's so boring

[dawn heath]

like anything below a 95+ would be horrendous for my own standards on farm bosses and anything below 90 on a mythic progression kil would make me dissapointed

[rotund oak]

this is the ''healthy'' competitive spirit.Pushing urself(also leads to types of OCDs 😂 )

[dawn heath]

but i also take it way more serious than other people, i study logs cooldown timings vod review i do go the extra mile when i play raiding seriously

so i would expect to do better than people who just show up to raid and hit random buttons

[static glacier]

I see what you're getting at but a lot of it is really out of your control

90 on prog kills is ridiculously difficult if you kill stuff quickly

[rotund oak]

its good to train and progress,its wrong to expect the same kind of competition from others

[static glacier]

there will be hardly any parses, you're talking top 5-10 ranks

[rotund oak]

or project it to them

[static glacier]

I think to get better as a player I need to play less for damage

[jaunty sky]

Yeah in prog a kill's a kill

[rotund oak]

this rly increases ur perception

10/10 the go

also whats wrong with the rain today

holysht

[static glacier]

it's wierd to say but me doing consistently orange tier but greeding / causing even a single wipe makes me bad compared to consistent dmg around purple standard but flawless / no greed

it's what happend on broodtwister

rank 7 on kill, i'd say first half of prog for me was dogshit

[jaunty sky]

I mean

A dead dps does 0 dps

[static glacier]

true but that paladin 24/7 at 15y bc they're scared of being hit by swirlies on ovinax after they flamed others

is doomed to green log

both sides of it are too extreme

but y'know what I mean

[jaunty sky]

Isn't that normal paladin attack range anyways

[static glacier]

trrueeeeee

jokes aside I think the sweet spot is doing as much damage as possible without taking real risks / griefing mechanic

I think if I started from a baseline of being overly cautious I might be better as a prog player

[jaunty sky]

Yeah i always go survival first

Even if i do horrible dmg

I'm at least alive to learn stuff

[static glacier]

Im a terrorist early in prog but towards second half of a boss I will be v clean + good damage

I think if I was just cleaner early and sorted dmg in later pulls I would deffo be better

I learn fights by globals to boss position / mechanic going off

e.g I can tell you my 2nd kingsbane on princess lines up with her doing the dash through boss lines

[pulsar wagon]

@balmy condor i have a question. Was watching your A-Z assassination rogue video.

Slice and dice. Do we ever press it really? I ask cause I don't see where we press it in rotation.

[static glacier]

no we don't

[balmy condor]

it auto procs on envenom

so any combo points spent just casting envenom is wasted

[static glacier]

only exception is for w/e reason if you're forced to be at range for a ridiculous amount of time (25-30s) and you're using poison knife to avoid capping energy. this situation doesn't come up atm in the game.

[balmy condor]

cause you could've envenomed instead

[pulsar wagon]

Oooooooh okay I see. Thanks so much!

[jaunty sky]

Yeah that's how i learned stuff in FF too, i might go assa next season to give me that kind of experience again. On outlaw i just press everything on cd until boss dies without any real sense of time

But even then, missing a global is better than missing the rest of the fight

[static glacier]

yeah for surre

I sometimes do 0 action pulls for the first 5-10 pulls of a boss

I won't even hit it

[dawn heath]

when i raided last tier i had the least deaths by a metric ton on progression

i had fewer deaths than our blood dk tanks

u can still parse high and not die

but yeah high parsing usually can lead to risky/greedy play

but to me

a goood player knows the risk/reward ratio and can handle it well

damage makes fights easier as well, playing safe is not good play

[gloomy heart]

i hate pugging

[static glacier]

yeah rogues in general don't die

[rotund oak]

welcome to my daily routine

[gloomy heart]

631 enhance

[dawn heath]

i didnt raid as rogue

[gloomy heart]

doing 900k dps

HOW TF

DO U DO

900k

ON ENHANCE

[dawn heath]

not raiding as rog

[fallow canopy]

his totems are scarred bro

its in the name

[rotund oak]

fotm rolling

bro doesnt press them buttons

[dawn heath]

also enhance if they dont get to prestack tempest and are spoon fed a by with aug buffs they're not that OP

prestacking tempest is day and night difference

[rotund oak]

still should be able to 1.1m+

[dawn heath]

obviously yea

[candid sun]

I had an enhance pull like 5m earlier on first boss of mists and burst it down in like almost 40 sec

I was salty the rest of the run

[gloomy heart]

give me that enhance

not this guy

631 doing 900k in a 11 ara

[candid sun]

I hope enhance gets nerfed into the fucking ground after this season tbh

Rarely do I get salty but i'm tired of the fotms

I know, i'll see them again on another class if not enhance

[rotund oak]

yeah thats 1.5mil territory but depends

[gloomy heart]

I am fuming!

[candid sun]

Yeah that's bad

[gloomy heart]

Shaman took my puddle and i die on last boss

[dawn heath]

i use focus shadowstep on that boss

[gloomy heart]

I did the first time bc the tank took mine

Then the shaman takes mine

[dawn heath]

i never even go for them

[viscid ember]

which trink is better at hero track for raid? sac/bolarus or empower crystal? spyglass and emp sims within 2-3k for me but sac sims a lot worse at 626

[rotund oak]

i specifically spec into cheat death for arakara

for uptime in 1st singularity cast

got mechagnome pseudocheatdeath+feint and clos for another isngularity cast

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/jeR5E8zsmL0UsNpw8?invite=cr-MSxiRjMsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

[rotund oak]

just to push some dmg

[dawn heath]

i just do this

[rotund oak]

coz ppl end up with 500k dps on last boss

or die to stupid waves and swirlies

[gloomy heart]

Yeah i should do that

Rarely do keys soi dont know the tech

[rotund oak]

doesnt all that ui thingies render ur vision of stuff

could never play like that

but i do step ofc

[dawn heath]

i mean it has happend a few times but its rare

[rotund oak]

u r supposed to minmax stuff arent u

group frames etc kinda irrelevant as well

[dawn heath]

na

i do some shotcalling in keys

[rotund oak]

yeees and what do group frames have to do with anything

[gloomy heart]

Doing keys with these ppl are making me hate keys

[dawn heath]

need to see people cds

[rotund oak]

u can track them cds fam,move the track bar somewhere

move everything

or whatever that was called

u will see more stuff

its like pvp,when u wanna have a good view of stuff and make better calls

u cant be missing stuff around

[dawn heath]

i dont think its a problem. i've tried reducing the size of things but my brain just wont recognize the things when i make it smaller

[rotund oak]

im just saying fam

we had ppl here pushing rank 1 m+ titles and they didnt see what was happenign infront of them

its a mystery but if it works it works

[runic hinge]

Keys are a mystery. No one knows how they work

That’s why we have 509 builds and everyone plays a different one

Mines the smartest tho

[rotund oak]

and outlaws flexing meters on this sacred place

[runic hinge]

4 sure

[gloomy heart]

WHY CANT IT BE 99

[runic hinge]

Make more rogues parse under you in the next 8 hours and it could be

[stable scaffold]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gloomy heart]

i think i did it

a 99!

LETS GOOOO

this isnt much to yall prob but this is huge for me

first 99 on heroic

[runic hinge]

[gloomy heart]

was on 2nd boss

wasnt caustic either

[plush delta]

is supercharger bugged? it gives me the first 2 combo points every time, and landing on those doesnt seem to reward the right values or trigger darkest night etc

or am i doing smthn wrong

[blazing pumice]

that's not how supercharger works

[blazing pumice]

it has nothing to do with ER, it just adds two combo points in damage to your finishers

[gloomy heart]

If you mean like at the start of a pull

you prob shivd ur last kill and didnt use

[plush delta]

ok thats my mistake i thought it was the same as ER

thanks

[gloomy heart]

😄

[keen spruce]

How is that your first 99 on heroic

U were doin big damn in mythic

[topaz eagle]

Hi guys i have a question does applying multiple caustic spatter increases dmg (each pool deals dmg)? Or should i just apply it to one mob?

[keen spruce]

Spatter can only be applied to one mob

[topaz eagle]

it dissapears from the previous one?

[keen spruce]

Yes

[topaz eagle]

oh thanks 😉 now its clear to me

[keen spruce]

[topaz eagle]

its super hard for me to deal with raid aoe situations

[keen spruce]

Just hit boss

Let spatter do some damage

[topaz eagle]

yeah but you know for instance on ansureks platforms i have no idea what to focus

[keen spruce]

Just pick one of the guys on each platform

Do t worry about hitting the little sides

Dudes

You can just switch to fan to hold combo points

If there’s a lotta mobs

But normally it’s just more single target

With spatter doing some damage

[topaz eagle]

and do you apply rupture/garrote to multiple targets or just a main one? in raid aoe

[keen spruce]

depends

normally just main target but if something will live a long time

u can throw a rupture

[topaz eagle]

k - thanks 😉 will give it a try ;*

[grim bronze]

Gotta come out and ask. ST while in aoe talents feels really "eh". Is it literally just a "pool more energy angle", and accept that keeping envenom active is hard? xD

[novel star]

pooling isnt really a thing so yea tbh

our m+ st is just simply bad

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it
• Super Min-Max stuff includes avoiding the auto proc of tea (less than +0.2%, tea/shiv macro is optimal)
• Refreshing Envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it (mostly relevant for m+ without TTK, can be up to 0.5%)
• Otherwise nothing matters. Pooling before kingsbanes isn't important because of tea lining up and deathmark giving a huge surge of energy

[grim bronze]

oh.. What is that tea macro? 😄

[frosty talon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[grim bronze]

Thanks mate, great help.

[novel star]

[normal mist]

True

[subtle tundra]

L. mismanaged your mark stacks. STAY BAD.

never happens to me cause im just that good

😼

[marble wagon]

what is higher prio refreshing envenom in pandemic or stacking scent while we already energy saturated?

[dark thorn]

wdym scent

[subtle tundra]

your premise makes no sense. if theres scent to get stacked it means youre in aoe and you dont care about envenom buff

[marble wagon]

so in aoe we always maintain 5 stacks of scent basically instead of spamming envenom at like 3 stacks?

[subtle tundra]

need my shit jorked...

[craggy fog]

Hello i am looking for a good rogue WA, that can show me all the important things and make me remeber to press some buttons :C Any suggestions i like luxthos one but its taking few framerates with it

[limber lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[limber lion]

Whispyr's is good

LE has a very good one as well

Can mix and match a bit of both if you want

[craggy fog]

Do you maybe know how to make the combo points to go different colours when i should idealy press envenom?

[grim jay]

you always finish 5+ unless you have darkest night up, in which case you build to 7

and that case is marked in both WAs

with a type of glow

unless they changed it

[craggy fog]

thank you will look at it

[wet glacier]

Hey guys . Merry Xmas. So I opened my vault yesterday and my best item was Skardyn's Grace. I was so happy to finally see it but then I ran a Sim and Sim showed that my current trinkets which are Treacherous Transmitter and Ovinaxx's Mercurial Egg are better . So am I equip it or follow what Sim says ?

[deep gyro]

Must be nice, to have choices like this.

[vestal cliff]

yo people what the current highest itemlevel of the circlet?

[normal mist]

Most people use skardyns because no mini game + 2min CD to match DM

[normal mist]

Iirc 645

[vestal cliff]

thanks!

[wet glacier]

I'm gonna use it then. Thanks for the help!

[scenic basalt]

Been wandering this for ages, is it better to use shiv before bleeds or after all bleeds or somewhere else?

[royal lantern]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[royal lantern]

thats how you use it

[normal mist]

If you follow the opener logic, you never randomly shiv

So you'll always have bleeds up when you press it

[winged sun]

guys

anyone knows how to get new island trinkets at 626?

[scenic basalt]

Can you forward me to this Opener logic so I can study it myself? 🙂

[normal mist]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[normal mist]

Check the wowhead guide, the opener part

[low sundial]

I’m new to rogue, is hekili a good add on to sort of get the basics down to start with?

[spice surge]

No

[olive salmon]

cant load wowhead atm if we use the new ring what gems are best?

[rotund oak]

whatever u do dont check the pins fam

they lie

its all propaganda to force u use the wrong ones

[tired girder]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

Check the channel pins

[olive salmon]

thanks

[dawn seal]

Hey

Happy Christmas everyone

[normal mist]

Dank you

[spice spire]

Merry chrimas bora

[fresh kelp]

Is it possible to get at 626

I have at 619 from the weekly box thing but idk if anything can drop hero

[winged sun]

ye i guess no hero

[wooden perch]

is it windsinger or legendary skipper gem for m+?

[hearty reef]

the site that shows title range class pop?

[runic basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dawn heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1156669544581038163/1321856028626784377/image.png?ex=676ec1dc&is=676d705c&hm=17882dcdca8f7cafb18a8ac180eeab7fceb37fa796abbd536316c134aab9b453&

opinions

[arctic socket]

Symbols

Squiggly lines

[dawn heath]

1300 ilvl ring

[spice spire]

Is that 1300 ilvl

Lmfao

Dog

[dawn heath]

yep

[spice spire]

+1.5mil stam

Let’s go

[royal lantern]

still cant last more then 2min

[spice spire]

I should call her

[slate crown]

don't do it

you don't need her, live your best life king

[spice spire]

You’re so right LE. I’d be lost without you big dog appreciate you

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/vibe-cat-gif-23091665

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-the-voices-jolly-christmas-gif-5774532700081404887

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/jolly-christmas-posting-jolly-cat-christmas-this-cat-looks-at-jolly-people-gif-4925436984769801382

[spice spire]

[hoary remnant]

240p

Looks fake

[nova aspen]

i hope he had to pay for every 3 ilvls

that would be about 218 upgrades, at 20 bucks per upgrade, 4.4k usd

[spice spire]

🐳

[dapper cradle]

[lean plover]

imagine if they dont fix that

and he starts next tier with a 1300 ring

[winged sun]

the gem keeps dropping btw

idk how he managed to upgrade through that ilvl

the upgrade thing*

[pure moth]

It must still cap at what it does though even if ilvl is bugged?

[rotund oak]

never call any chick,trust 😉

[spice spire]

So real

[rotund oak]

btw my relatives just left,im free

but i have to wash the dishes and clean the place

im feeling like stormwind raided by horde to kill anduin

[spice spire]

Yeah I did all that last night

Because back to work today so I didn’t want to deal with that shit after

[rotund oak]

ate at my moms place yday,today they came from my place with sweets and kids to check on me and the pup i got

Xmas family meetings kinda cringe ngl

after an age its whatever

[sullen phoenix]

how the fk can i get last middle event citrines?

[spice spire]

Nah it’s always good to see family. Did ours Christmas Eve but I cooked all day for people

[spice spire]

Gotta keep running them - Unfort they’re still wonky

[hoary remnant]

I was meming

[sullen phoenix]

but i killed it probably over 80 times

and it always resets

[rotund oak]

yeah ive fired up the BBQ yday for them as well,i jsut dunno.. u know relatives asking ''when u getting married,turning 40 soon'' and other cringe questions like that

[round light]

I'm just hoping it will be fixed before next tier and just acquire it later at this point 😅
Though I admit waiting in hope for blizzard to fix a bug is a gamble

[coral ibex]

yea those lazy mf devs are probably enjoying family time on christmas break and not fixing the game, what a joke

[lyric coral]

guys if i wanna use iron wire talent what should i swap ?

[prisma forum]

!wa

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[soft surge]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[jaunty sky]

pull the boss outside of the cave, wait until the event resets, then kill the boss when the bonus objective is up again

even tho i also had a spawn on my alt where we could just kill it normally for some reason

[dawn heath]

https://www.twitch.tv/vspeed/clip/CallousAbnegatePoxWTRuck-HzhN2PIual6HNLqk anyone knows how he pulls here?

[midnight mist]

ye

i body pulled so many bosses in m+ with that

[dawn heath]

what is he doing xD?

he presses nothing from what i can see

[midnight mist]

its one of the deathstalker talent

doing damage to your target

i think its this one

but im not sure

[dawn heath]

oh so u need ruptures out

and just target it?

[midnight mist]

ye

[dawn heath]

im trying to do it here in open world doesnt seem to work

is it something special with the mist? cause it doesnt seem to aggro stuff that isnt in combat or work at all

[midnight mist]

idk i havbe pulled m+ bosses like that

[cobalt sphinx]

idk some guy had it happen with the lavabenders in gb

during 3rd boss

[midnight mist]

it happened a lot when i was rupturing mob, then priest mc, and im just sitting targetting boss to wait

and you just pull boss

[dawn heath]

oh u rupture a friendly mob?

[midnight mist]

no

[shy axle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[arctic socket]

@subtle tundra

[wind totem]

Does feint work on the root dmg on last boss in CoT?

[spice spire]

Doing mobile log looking is shit for mitigation viewing but I’m going to say yes tentatively

[balmy condor]

!ctb

[prisma monolith]

Corrupt the Blood/Rupture Bug
Corrupt the blood can jump to mobs that are out of combat when the rupture-afflicted target changes from harmful to non-harmful
This is repeatable with mind control, but is most common on the third boss of Grim Batol when skipping the two elites before the boss.

You can avoid it by being EXTREMELY careful to not target anything when your target shifts, but otherwise not much to be done. Just be careful and aware as it is a niche bug that should not happen frequently

[spice spire]

Double checked a sin log to be safe https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AZjx2Wr1caMTL74N?fight=1&type=damage-taken&source=1&translate=true&pull=20&ability=439324&view=events&sourcebuffs=1966

[dawn heath]

Ty

[spice spire]

Second least in DTPS from weave makes me think it is esp since this mad lad didn’t cloak

But I can’t see what aura does what unless desktop so it’s all guess work sorry nirty

[soft surge]

is culminating blashphemite capped at 5gems

for the bonus

[royal lantern]

idk

we dont really care about the "bonus"

[fallow canopy]

I just rock the ms one and swift around

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha

thats honestly better value

cus the "crit bonus" is so small that sims tend to ignore it and just go normal gems setups instead

and the MS one has a higher effect by default

[gloomy heart]

bc i suck, you diffed me

[spice spire]

Getting diffed by a casual

Damn

[gloomy heart]

I got owned

[spice spire]

Check the log for uptimes shmeeps known gamba victor

[runic hinge]

I beat Shmeeps on a few bosses in amidrassil then he went back and high rolled all his Sophic uptime

[jade abyss]

what we play wrong when the giant boss in stonevault with the portals heals itself to 100% ?

i think when a add survive he got only a bigger shield?

[winged sun]

@spice spire

[gloomy heart]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NWhkz2Fm79j3BZTb?fight=1&type=damage-done

[winged sun]

never crossed my mind to ask this but

if ur at 50 stacks kingsbane, if i press mutilate will it do more dps?

or does kingsbane dmg not change at all at max cp

at max stacks*

same with refreshing garrote mid cds

[royal lantern]

What should change at that point

stacks are maxed, dmg doesnt go higher

(not from KB itself)

[spice spire]

50 stacks is maxed essentially what tryan said

So like

If you vanish at 8s to go but you’re 50 stacks already there’s no change to damage essentially

[midnight mist]

!wa

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[spice spire]

You got @keen spruce ‘d

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NWhkz2Fm79j3BZTb?fight=1&type=auras&source=16&ability=465961

Vs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NWhkz2Fm79j3BZTb?fight=1&type=auras&source=13&ability=465961

Plus he got PI, plus 50+% uptime on crystal trinket

[winged sun]

oh i see ty

so u have to vanish super early

[gloomy heart]

LOOOL

[winged sun]

for kingsbane

if we were to buff it

[spice spire]

Nope final 6s usually covers the max damage

[gloomy heart]

i got shmeepd

[spice spire]

Unless you’re talking like

M+

When you have subt

Then ye

[winged sun]

m+ yes ofc

not raid

[spice spire]

Milk that master assassin

[winged sun]

raid is simple

ye

so instant MA

in m+

yea?

[royal lantern]

if you use LE's kingsbane tracker, it tracks vanish dynamically

for max dmg

with vanish timer

[winged sun]

wait what like what does it do

it tells me when to vanish or what

[royal lantern]

aka if you use subterfuge with MA, it will tell you when to use vanish for max MA uptime on kingsbane

[winged sun]

interesting

[royal lantern]

!wa

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[rotund oak]

shmeeps is legit,i wouldnt rly worry about it

[royal lantern]

Le collection

the girl did hard work zeross :3

[gloomy heart]

so what am i…..

[rotund oak]

idk im eating cheesecake,ild say u are the cherry pastry juice on it

[winged sun]

yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[rotund oak]

😂

[winged sun]

no fucking way

[rotund oak]

joking ofc

[winged sun]

this WA is insane

LOOOOOOOOOOL

like

it makes it so clear and easy

even tho sin is already easy but yea

doesnt make u think of when to vanish

it just tells u when

[runic hinge]

:3

[royal lantern]

easy enough for sinester strike brains to play it efficently

[slate crown]

u can make it make a sound at each tickline too

[winged sun]

wait it kinda told me to shiv 1 seconds late

[slate crown]

you can move it backwards a sec in the options if you want

also doesn't matter does it

kb ticks are on the even second intervals

[royal lantern]

KB is every 2 seconds

[winged sun]

idk

[royal lantern]

and cant be speed up with haste

[winged sun]

yea but do u not lose a tick with shiv

?

[slate crown]

either way you can offset it backwards if you want in the options

[gloomy heart]

W

[winged sun]

yea i will

should be 8 seconds

yea?

instead of 7

the one i want

^

[slate crown]

well

[winged sun]

or why is it at 7?

so that u get the final tick when it ends?

since it wont do anything at 7-7.9?

[slate crown]

if you shiv at 8 seconds remaining PRECISELY like 8.00000

then you'll get that tick and the last tick

but if you hit it at 8.005

you'll miss the last tick

[winged sun]

oh shit

so 7 is perfect

?

[slate crown]

and if you hit it at 7.999 you'll miss the first tick in that window but still get the last tick

last tick more important

[winged sun]

ok i see why u have it on 7

[slate crown]

so anything between 6 and 8 is fine

doesn't matter

[royal lantern]

KB ticks every 2 seconds, so yeha

you "miss" 1 mid tick

but have 100% the last tick, which is the important one

[winged sun]

but generally, pressing it at 7 is better than 8.1 sec yea?

[slate crown]

yes

same reason with why vanish is offset by 0.25 seconds

[winged sun]

wait so pressing it at 6.0001 sec and 7.9 sec is the exact same thing??

[royal lantern]

yes

[slate crown]

as far as kingsbane ticks are concerned yes

[winged sun]

cool ok ok

yea perfect then 7 is good

[slate crown]

because it's better to have a 0.25 sec late vanish

than it is to have a 0.0001 early vanish

[runic hinge]

other things are ticking too

[slate crown]

and miss the last tick

[winged sun]

ehh i mean in keys u kinda want to vanish early reason being is that there are alot of low hp mobs on all packs

that being with deathmark i mean

[slate crown]

sure

[winged sun]

wait wdym by late vanish like

[slate crown]

I'm just saying "for the purposes of maximizing Kingsbane Tick damage"

there are other considerations, which yo ucan weigh

[winged sun]

like what

[slate crown]

MA lasting like 6 seconds

if you vanish at 5.75 sec remaining

that's vanishing "late" but not really

[winged sun]

dont u also lose 0.25 sec on bleed ticks worth of 20% crit for deathmark?

[slate crown]

yes

[winged sun]

isnt that bad

or

[slate crown]

I don't know

[winged sun]

is it just better off nailing off the kingsbane tick

[slate crown]

it's a push/pull

one makes kb last tick bigger

one makes bleeds bigger

[winged sun]

kingsbane does more dam tho so

[slate crown]

Either way

you can adjust them back / around

[crimson zephyr]

I recently did my first 12 intime. In damage done, I did 21% in "Key %", so I'm shit. I realize small mistakes I do but I think even if I didn't do them I'd still be <30%. I don't know how to figure out what I am doing wrong. How do I figure it out?

Log of that run: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4fDXFhTM2PkgRcWN?fight=2&type=damage-done maybe someone sees something?

[winged sun]

super cool WA ngl

cant wait to play more with it

[slate crown]

you can put back to 5.999 sec if you want or whatever

[winged sun]

hmm i see

5.75 is perfect nah

better indicator

ye ur default settings are just how i like them

[crimson zephyr]

also: why are the langauges mixed on the log o.O

[runic hinge]

M+ has so many factors unless you're really fucking your rotation it's hard to say

[winged sun]

i'll probably delete it later at some point just because i dont like to bloat WAs

once i get the full idea of it

[crimson zephyr]

I think I waste 14% of my CP (which is one of the small mistkaes I notice) but 14% seems a bit high. 😮

[gloomy heart]

feeling old with back ache

[spice spire]

Hey so quick bit here

[gloomy heart]

i think i slept wrong

[spice spire]

Key parses

Are time only

[winged sun]

quake

[spice spire]

It’s just comparing time in key versus other Assassination rogues

[crimson zephyr]

I guess - maybe I should just really get a premade so I also know the route we do etc etc and can actually practice better

[spice spire]

It’s not your raw damage

Deaths

[winged sun]

i can refresh garrotes in deathmark yea? like lets say i can just garrote once at the start (m+), then garrote at the end?

[spice spire]

Low dps

[spice spire]

Yes

[winged sun]

since IC is long

ok

and

[slate crown]

Yeah, once it seeps into your bones it becomes instinctive at a point and you don't need the bar anymore

[spice spire]

All of these factors effect your key %

[crimson zephyr]

The "Key %" in Damage Done tab is about time?

[winged sun]

btw just to confirm

if darkest night is up and rupture is down

100% always envenom yea?

[royal lantern]

ye

[winged sun]

and is it worth refreshing garrote during that situation?

[royal lantern]

you kinda did a fuckup there, but getting the mark running again has priority, cus the rupture after it will allready consume 1 stack

[winged sun]

or do u want as much cp as possible to finish off darkest night

[gloomy heart]

okay i know we spam 5-6 cp in raid when we dont have dn, is it the same in m+ on bosses

[royal lantern]

yes

[winged sun]

ye but

can u refresh garrote during darkest night?

[spice spire]

Yep

[winged sun]

or is it bad

[royal lantern]

i mean, you need 7 CP for it lol

[winged sun]

since its low cp

[coral ibex]

you should refresh rupture with your last mark, you shouldn’t be in DN without a rupture

[winged sun]

or do u want it as a 6 cp filler

[gloomy heart]

i mean you can

if u get 6 and can garrote for 7

win win

[crimson zephyr]

What's the C in CPM?

[coral ibex]

delaying DN is bad, refresh rupture sooner to avoid this failure state

[winged sun]

darkest night up and i can either envenom or crimson tempest in a big pull, do i envenom then crimson tempest?

[coral ibex]

casts

[spice spire]

Your first takes your ASP versus all Assassination rogues that have done GB and compares, the second is key specific

[crimson zephyr]

yeah I mean that correlates with dmg but 1.3 overall dps in a timed key is just low in any case ^^

[spice spire]

If it’s needed likely fine. Edge case stuff

[crimson zephyr]

ah lol ty 😄

ok thanks for the answers

[winged sun]

generally u can pool ur energy into darkest night to consume it asap for Hunt Them Down yea?

[winged sun]

what about this

[spice spire]

Sure did you have details up at the end?

[winged sun]

Quake !!

[spice spire]

Envenom

Get the mark on Ct

Anyway

[winged sun]

wtf is ct

ah

[spice spire]

Going to guess your meters had you at like 1.486M

[winged sun]

is this important btw?

[spice spire]

Because key logs show time total including downtime

[winged sun]

the plague auto atk dmg thing

[spice spire]

And you had about 86% uptime

[winged sun]

and what about Amplifying Poison

is that important to play around?

[spice spire]

It’s just free Dam

No

Amp is just a passive

No thoughts needed

[winged sun]

ok lets say i have rly bad downtime no tea

is it better to envenom before the buff runs out or is it better to have 2 seperated envenoms? like lets say each envenom lasts 3 seconds and i have 10 seconds to use 2 envenoms

3 seconds, wait 1 second then envenom again?

[spice spire]

So when you say downtime

Do you mean you’re away from the boss and back in

Or just like

[winged sun]

energy

no energy

[spice spire]

You need to be hands off for a second

Okay

[winged sun]

no energy no tea

[spice spire]

Keep the buff going as long as possible

Then hands off for a bit, maintain your bleeds etc

[winged sun]

its rly important to have back to back buffs? than drop it and have it up for a full duration?

so its better to stay off the buff than seperate them both

[spice spire]

Really important is loaded

Really? No

[winged sun]

"is loaded" whats that

[spice spire]

Like

[strange tundra]

Can u link it?

[winged sun]

https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9

[spice spire]

It’s a phrase that has a lot of meaning that it shouldn’t

[strange tundra]

Ty

[spice spire]

Is it important, kind of

Really important, nah

I also really think you’re overthinking a lot of this

[winged sun]

is it mainly because we want to buff envenom's dmg?

and not just auto attack poison procs

[winged sun]

i guess this part is useless

[spice spire]

Yeah

[winged sun]

yea i see

[strange tundra]

Can u tldr this WA?

[winged sun]

and basically if i were to pool, i need to have envenom up for darkest night

[spice spire]

Useless, no, but it’s definitely less

[winged sun]

its way better to have it on darkest night than not

[spice spire]

Way better again is a weird one

Because like

If you’re pooling on dn buff

[slate crown]

Cast Kingsbane - Bar shows duration - lines on bar show when to push buttons

[spice spire]

Just send darkest night

[strange tundra]

Which buttons?

[spice spire]

Because sending an envenom without mark feels like shit

And doesn’t fit the Econ of your whole rotstion

Can even lead to one less darkest night proc

Which is bad

[winged sun]

but it may make me not have energy for a 2nd envenom

[slate crown]

Shiv, Vanish, tea. Not every button, just the cooldown ones that have timing

[winged sun]

is that fine

[crimson zephyr]

yes why?

[spice spire]

It gives you energy as well

[winged sun]

ye

[spice spire]

#assassination message

The only time where this line matters zeross is like

First boss of mists for burn phase

[winged sun]

pooling is rly annoying with Sanguine Blades talent i hate this talent

[strange tundra]

I heard u press shiv on first kingsbane and then vanish after the critical runs out and 2nd shiv 6 last seconds of kignsbane

[spice spire]

Then it’s fine with like min maxing your darkest nights

But that’s my dark feels craft side talking

[winged sun]

what are the minmaxes with darkest night anyway

to have envenom buff before it

thats it?

[spice spire]

Essentially yeah

[slate crown]

The WA just tries to help you optimize your overlaps of kingsbane and shiv + MA.

[spice spire]

Shiv up etc.

[winged sun]

yea i see

[spice spire]

But like

[strange tundra]

Alright gotcha, ty for the tldr

[spice spire]

Edge cases

[winged sun]

wait so shiv is important somewhat for darkest night

does the shiv'ed envenom effect spatter in aoe?

[spice spire]

Waiting an extra second to send your envenom because your kingsbane is about to tick 8s

No

I’m strictly speaking like st or prio situations

[winged sun]

i see

yea

[spice spire]

And the thing above

[winged sun]

o btw if like

[spice spire]

Only matters for like boss fights

[winged sun]

the pull is big, 10+ mobs

its better to not shiv right?

for overall dps

or?

[spice spire]

Because losing a global in aoe way worse than like that boom

[spice spire]

Depends what you need/what your build is

[winged sun]

mainly i sometimes not shiv because the target just dies before my cd ends

[spice spire]

If you have a prio target you shiv always

[winged sun]

yea

[slate crown]

Shiv only increases the damage taken by that singular mob, and Spatter does not gain damage from it being on the target, so yeah, it's just the loss of a global. If that loss of a global means more aoe damage than would be gained in ST on the target, sure

[spice spire]

If it’s just a bunch of goobers fuck it don’t shiv

[slate crown]

god damn goobers

[spice spire]

But there’s also supercharger implications as well

[slate crown]

hate goobers

[strange tundra]

I rerolled to enha anyway

[spice spire]

Bro just say you hate me

[winged sun]

ok i think im starting to completely understand the spec now

[slate crown]

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

https://tenor.com/view/cat-staring-meow-meow-asyalittlecat-big-eyes-gif-26404220

[winged sun]

anything interesting with Doomblade btw?

[spice spire]

Nah gabagool talent

Only used to get sbs

[spice spire]

I’m a goober

[slate crown]

Love goobers, god damn so good

[hollow river]

Zeross been dumpstering outlaws without full knowledge

[winged sun]

dude its crazy that

we do more dps at 2-8 targets

than outlaw

[midnight mist]

without cds

[winged sun]

^ that

LOL

[hollow river]

Punch keyboard = top dps

[runic hinge]

outlaw gabagool spec

[winged sun]

yea everything is fully clear now

[midnight mist]

guys im seeing inside the matrice now

im fully activated

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/i-understand-it-now-ok-i-understand-it-now-i-understand-it-gurm-bear-gif-4859748791707698675

[runic hinge]

[winged sun]

oh 1 last thing is dropping rupture rly bad because of Corrupt the blood talent or is it just essentially because you lose the energy gained from rupture?

🍌 zacro 🧢 — Today at 12:13 AM
guys im seeing inside the matrice now
im fully activated

[winged sun]

u mean matrix

[hollow river]

The matrices

[runic hinge]

can't spatter without rupture

[winged sun]

o no idea what that is

[winged sun]

no i mean pure st, ye its not relevant in aoe if spatter is up

[hollow river]

Matrix but plural

[winged sun]

oh

matrices is a word

interesting

[runic hinge]

rupture gives energy ye and also does damage i mean mainting bleeds is core to the spec

[midnight mist]

zero

rate christmas mog

im christmas person

[winged sun]

like corrupt the blood is something to be aware of?

[winged sun]

but i guess not since dropping rupture and pressing envenom for darkest night is more important

[spice spire]

Exactly

[winged sun]

and there is no other situation where u would drop rupture anyway

[spice spire]

[midnight mist]

guys

[midnight mist]

im so locked in rn

[winged sun]

never felt more confident about a spec before

feels like season 3 outlaw again

ok ok

big blast later

[spice spire]

Just in time to go gambling in s2

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-brain-mind-blown-explosion-fireworks-gif-16297776

[midnight mist]

after reading this chat

i have now ascended

to the next astral plane

i will go bleed mobs

[spice spire]

How about you ascend to these nuts pal

[midnight mist]

please keep it respectful

[winged sun]

respect this :hypergrab:

[midnight mist]

noob

[winged sun]

yo what

this one is scuffed

[midnight mist]

yours isnt even moving

what a bozo

thats what you get

for being disrespectful

to your helders

elders

held hold holden

[spice spire]

Helder? Buddy I hardly know er

[midnight mist]

zeros im 25 now, i could be your dad

[winged sun]

??????????

i'll be 24 in 3 months

[midnight mist]

wtf you are so old now wae

[winged sun]

time for bed otherwise i'll wake up 5 am like a zombie

[midnight mist]

i touhgt you were like

11 or smth

[winged sun]

gn gn

[spice spire]

I thought you were both 11

Gn king

[mild jacinth]

Hi when my original garotte and rupture runs out and i don't have vanish should i still try and spread rupture and garrot or is it better to just focus down the primary target and cleave with caustic splatter? in m+

and spend on envenom insteadf

[spice spire]

It’s not a linear answer

General line says yes

But there’s a ton of factors

If they’ll live 10s longer spreading is probably right

[minor finch]

How the hell you get this damn gems

I need fathom and only storm is up

[spice spire]

Keep running it eventually shows

[minor finch]

I have the storm one and that the only thing that appears

[strange python]

Savage why are you in sin channel this was not on my Christmas bingo

[grim jay]

Just like the reason why I love you

A ton of factors

[gloomy heart]

wtb 11.1 ptr

[spice spire]

Ily2 kitten

[midnight mist]

i think im confused about ttk

i feel like if i try to maintain both buff

i instantly have no energy

[spice spire]

Yeah

You’re not running dashing too yeah?

[midnight mist]

no not in m+

[gloomy heart]

Ppl run dashing?

[spice spire]

Yeah so ur constantly out of energy

[spice spire]

In raid

[midnight mist]

im doing this sometimes

in like dawn or smth

but ye idk

i dont get it i think

like just maintaining rupture and trying to have energy for kb or shiv

[mild jacinth]

sometimes you just have to understand that assa rogue is basically if feral got qol improvements

[midnight mist]

i never have time to play around ttk and maintain the buff

[coral ibex]

you only maintain 2x during buffs bc you have the energy for it

without dashing you can’t really keep up 2x env outside buffs

[midnight mist]

i feel like im tracking it for nothing

cause i cant do shit about it anyway

[coral ibex]

yea welcome to the envenom weakaura debate circa 2 months ago lol

[solar wyvern]

Time to drop MA and play forced induction+ dashing !!

[coral ibex]

does it matter to track ttk?

[low ruin]

You are, you don't play around it the dps difference of playing around ttk and completely ignoring it is margin of error

[coral ibex]

probably not but some people like to track it

it mostly just gives you more ST dam in buffs

[trim storm]

is that normal that im out of energy in mythics ~10 after 50% boss hp is down ? like dps is not bad but its getting annoying

[solar wyvern]

Yes

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[midnight mist]

rework assa so its gcd capped !

[trim storm]

so is it worth sometimes to not spamm all skills and auto attack sometimes if my trinkets and other cds are not up ?

[solar wyvern]

Play forced induction+dashing instead of ma+subt and you will never run out of energy on bosses

[low ruin]

You can spam as long a you don't proc tea randomly

[solar wyvern]

!!!

[royal lantern]

what

[frail wasp]

alternatively, no

[royal lantern]

are you talking about

[trim storm]

@low ruin ok

[gloomy heart]

need a !phyce command that says "this guy sucks"

[solar wyvern]

Im pushing forced induction propaganda

[royal lantern]

dont push missinformation

[solar wyvern]

Eh, its just exaggerated, FI and Dashing really do improve boss dps and energy in m+

I almost never run out when playing properly

[rotund oak]

dashing is like

whatever for m+

[solar wyvern]

In ST it matters

[royal lantern]

i can gurantee that forced induction has 0 effect on your energy

[rotund oak]

yup there it matters alot

[solar wyvern]

You pool both 8-10 cp envenoms with ttk, regen and then go back to spamming.

[trim storm]

thanks guys i thought im doing something wrong, but i was in hc raid last week and rogue made really high dps like 1.8m ( maybe cuz raid talent tree is way different, im not raiding much )

[solar wyvern]

Try it trust me, anytime I run the build I do about 100-150k more than MA subt