assassination

[winged sun]

[spice spire]

Enchant this pal

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/gatomeme1-gif-13538385154268384355

[balmy condor]

dude we've already gotten to "but what if I want to pad" on the legendary skipper discussion

I cba anymore man

[grim jay]

Im always close to throwing up if people even mention pad

That term got inflated so badly by stupid people

Its insane

[velvet vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

I mean yes

m+ community is one of the dumbest I've encountered in any game

[spice surge]

Some of the procs can ninja pull random things

[balmy condor]

since when

[spice surge]

Theres one that "chains" to nearby enemies

Like last 2 mobs in city

Or lavabenders you skipped on 3rd boss grimba

Right when the dragon comes down

[balmy condor]

it was only on in-combat mobs when I checked spell data for guides during ptr

are you sure

[junior yoke]

hello guys silly question that may have been asked many times but I can't find it on guides, maybe it is writen somewhere else

when I craft dagger, which embellishment should I use? It's the only embelishment I have

[grim jay]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[junior yoke]

ascencion

okay

nice thanks you a lot

[ripe carbon]

and make sure its thne aagility dagger

[junior yoke]

yes yes

i've read this on whyspir guide

hahaha

do NOT craft the other one

it is clear

[balmy condor]

people still trolled it even with all the warning

[winged sun]

Same, especially m+ community in black ops 6

[storm hedge]

Did Fathomdweller mastery snapshotting get fixed? I tried it and it didn't work for me so I'm wondering if I'm doing it wrong or if it doesn't work anymore

[balmy condor]

yes it got fixed

[storm hedge]

Pog

[valid mortar]

Whats the best option here to take ? and why is ovi trinket sims so strong ?

[dawn seal]

I would sim myself

[balmy condor]

ovi'nax trinket sims strong because it is strong

[dawn seal]

Ohh it's whispyr uello

[balmy condor]

hi

[dawn seal]

[valid mortar]

So the ring then for more mastery ?

[balmy condor]

if that's the biggest sim upgrade then I guess so

[valid mortar]

Okay thank you for the quick answer 🙂

[spice spire]

Does this mean you sim strong because you are strong

[balmy condor]

no

[spice spire]

Oh

Fuck

Is the tendinitis at least fixed

[balmy condor]

it's like 80% of the way there

[spice spire]

It’s a bitch and a half. You get used to it being activated.
Granted I have it on my Achilles not my knee so I’m going to assume yours is worse

[balmy condor]

I throw ball even faster now that my push leg is working and it is weird

not ideal

[spice spire]

Whatcha pushing bud

Nah that sucks genuinely

[balmy condor]

pushing nearly 22mph

[spice spire]

Need you to throw my balls that fast

[subtle tundra]

youre so cool whisopyrr

[sleek spear]

for gems, which gem do we use for the cyrce ring?

[grim bronze]

I'm assuming that people are moving away from subterfuge in keys for ST? or?

[subtle tundra]

no.

[grim bronze]

Can you elaborate on that? 🙂

[subtle tundra]

?

you dont change anything

why would you

[grim bronze]

i see people on io when inspecting talents that they take 1 more point in lethality and go into supercharger 🙂

[subtle tundra]

subterfuge is really really strong

you shouldnt

[grim bronze]

it is, that's why i asked

[junior yoke]

okay seems that crafting dagger was rly worh it

[subtle tundra]

yes upgrading your character with the biggest upgrade possible is good

[pliant remnant]

Gonna need to see a source for that claim, buddy

[junior yoke]

+12 NW this was

wow... didn't expect this dmg amplif

[subtle tundra]

it very much could also be

that this was a good run

with a good group

so immediately your dps shot up

[junior yoke]

yes it was

i mean all were good

especially tank and healer were rly good

[subtle tundra]

big pulls, that die fast

short bosses

etc

-> big dps

[keen spruce]

is it just me

[subtle tundra]

no..

[keen spruce]

or is CoT actually the chillest timer of all time

[junior yoke]

lol...

[subtle tundra]

not really

[junior yoke]

for me +12 COT was the most difficult by far to time

[keen spruce]

we ++'d the 14

[junior yoke]

shit dungeon

[keen spruce]

and had like

9 deaths on the 15 and still timed

i mean it's ass

[subtle tundra]

well

[junior yoke]

puf... I don't like at all

[keen spruce]

but the timer is pretty chill

[subtle tundra]

its bcs a lot of the timer is RP and walking

like 5 minutes of it

[junior yoke]

ye that's also tru

[subtle tundra]

so adding key levels doesnt impact it that much

[keen spruce]

we also killed the wrong add on mistcaller

and full wiped

and timed 15 mist

[junior yoke]

now i'm on 2900

will do gb and let SV for the last

[keen spruce]

yeah gb and sv are normally the hardest

[junior yoke]

SV pain in the a**

[subtle tundra]

yeah we had a completely dogshit mists +18 run and still timed it

[keen spruce]

sv is just very fuckupable

[junior yoke]

i dunno about u guys

[keen spruce]

yeah mist seems super chill

[junior yoke]

but for the moment I did not pass from 1st boss

healer can't heall it

[keen spruce]

we were playing ret, fury, rogue

so like our first boss took 75 years

but we made up a lot of time in the maze

[subtle tundra]

in maze youre not supposed to pull anything

bcs all the mobs are bad

for % efficiency

[keen spruce]

ye

just go enomrous later

pull shit on to last boss

or grab % early

[subtle tundra]

pretty sure we will do 19

mists

cause of ring

[keen spruce]

we did CoT 15 with hpal

[subtle tundra]

so first boss is doable

[keen spruce]

we're just slappin together the most fked up comps

[junior yoke]

thank god I can just spam 10s now

[keen spruce]

ye once you can farm 10s life gets easier

get all of your cresticles

and max out gear

[junior yoke]

I have already maxed gear (I mean the pieces are all max but still have some 626)

but yeah life gets much easier

[shell kraken]

So besides stormbringer / fathomdweller - what other citrine should I use while waiting for Blizz to fix the bugg?

Grinding and hoping "it won't bugg this time" feels like a waste of time...

[sleek spear]

what is highest ilevel for ring this week ?

[pliant remnant]

645

[sleek spear]

ok i did all the questline and my ring is 645 now

this is correct right?

[snow hamlet]

YES

[sleek spear]

tyty guys

[cinder lagoon]

hi, anyone know how to get Stormbringers runed citrine? the event with this is not worked

[normal mist]

keep killing it

until it does

Or just wait for blizz to fix the event

[subtle tundra]

i got a delvers bounty

from a tier 1 delve...

[rotund oak]

yes it drops

ive got on my hunter as well

(btw delve material farming for gold is stonks)

[plush niche]

hey, just started with assa and i have some questions real quick o:

first concerning shiv with overcharger, i was wondering if using overcharged combo point when you're already at 7 combo point was a waste of overcharge or if it goes as if you had 8 combo points ?

also with the ST rotation, i'm not sure why it's advised to use your vannish at the very end of kingsbane, since the crit buf is 12s long, i mean just for the opener you reset it after 12s it makes sens but it delays it for the other bursts, isn't it worth to cast it 4-5s into you're deathmark in order to have the buff for the last 12s of your deathmark/kingsbane for every other burst you don't open from stealth ?

[normal mist]

Correct, it goes as if you had 8, there's minmax around it that not many people do so you can simply ignore it and play normaly

[normal mist]

In raid ST we don't have 12 seconds of crit buff

because we don't play subterfuge

In m+ you can indeed do as you were saying with 2 points into subterfuge, altough if i understand correctly, there are many uses for vanish, some people rather use it on trash packs to reapply dots

or to mass AoE silence

[rotund oak]

merry xmas fam

[normal mist]

Merry christmas Sap brother

[plush niche]

oh ok i missed that point in talents, you right, it makes more sens then, yet i just played mythic+ didn't paid attention to this

[normal mist]

No worries, happens

[plush niche]

okok thanks o/

[novel star]

emplussers

[normal mist]

♥

[plush niche]

3days old character i should've pay a little bit more attention to talents lmao

[normal mist]

Tbf you're not alone of that matter

We've had a lot of people reroll rogue this season

And for some reason most of them refuse to read xD

[plush niche]

yeah, our rogue vannish so i have reroll to get that 3% damage reduc è.é

but assa feels fairly fun to play so i'm ok with it

ahah i did my homeworks and read it, just a little quick on that one i didn't know it worked on that kind of buff

[normal mist]

Yeah most people share that sentiment, feels pretty fun to play

[golden loom]

mythic sikran is such a bitch to try and parse on

like getting first debuff just made opener feel so awful

also anyone got any good tips for shadowstepping to him when he charges, feel like I am gonna die or explode the raid everytime

[hoary remnant]

The boss if you want a good parses is not to get the mechanic. Assa apart from the opener is not that bad tbh

[golden loom]

yeah cant be worse than 3 weeks ago when I had 4 charges out of 7

[hoary remnant]

You can step someone late and cloak they will die and healers have a nice time then

[golden loom]

but then you dont have cloak for sweep and lose uptime there 😄

[hoary remnant]

I did that as troll once all our healers parsed great

[hoary remnant]

Use cheat death 🤣

It's an ability

If someone says I proc cheat I say cool I am using my whole toolkit

[golden loom]

next week I will luck out get no mechanics and flip insane coins

[hoary remnant]

Pi helps

I can't play during farm sin if people get better value from pi

[keen agate]

Anyone with sim on Legendary Skippers Citrine vs Windsinger Runed Citrine?

[umbral cypress]

do we get ring upgrade this week?

[golden loom]

there is an ilvl upgrade every week ye

[umbral cypress]

cant find the quest

[golden loom]

purple triangle in the camp

[umbral cypress]

nvm got it

yaya

[rare jackal]

we also get raid buff this week right?

[grim vigil]

im the most stupid idiot to ever exist

i forgot to put back on embelishments after upgrades

its been weeks

if i only have offhand and cloak left 636 crafted, do i take ascension?

i mean there is no other choice or?

and what if those get raplaced by 639? do i not wear embelishments at all at that point?

[potent lance]

guys a question i have WA its just show when i click on enemy target (not in combat) how can i make it always show the WA?

[royal lantern]

you challenge me???

[grim vigil]

you got nothing on me when it comes to stupidity bruh, fyt me

[gusty mirage]

Hey that’s my brand

[royal lantern]

go into load setting and turn "in combat off" and instead leave it blank, so it always loads

(just using whisps wa as an example there cus it was auto selected)

[royal lantern]

hi oxi ❤️

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[winged sun]

guys

the real battle of sin vs outlaw starts now

i'll make you guys proud

[royal lantern]

what

[winged sun]

me vs maxsimuszj

[royal lantern]

bro, it should be you vs the christmas dinner with your family

[winged sun]

we dont celebrate christmas here

[royal lantern]

aw :c

[heady elbow]

hey guys, which poison should I use ?

deadly or instant ?

[royal lantern]

ofc deadly lol

why would you use instant

[heady elbow]

each site says differrent infos so I needed that answer

[royal lantern]

they dont

and you literally use a talent point to learn deadly poison

its the first talent in the entire tree

why would you NOT use it

[heady elbow]

😄 k thx for info

[royal lantern]

instant exists so that the shity yahtzee pirates and wallmart weebs can say "omg rogue poison dmg"

[winged sun]

deadly is a talent, instant isn't just to compare ^^

[grim vigil]

sims tell me to use dawnthread on cloak and ascension on wep, can that be?

for m+

[tulip tiger]

Do you guys combine thistle tea to any of your abilitys?

[pure moth]

Yes, shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[tulip tiger]

Nice

ty

[pure moth]

Yw

[grim vigil]

i would never bind tea to anything

its off gcd

find a bind

[golden loom]

just macro that shit

[grim vigil]

sometimes you wanna use 2 in your burst sometimes not, sometimes you use it by itself if the boss is about to die etc

[pure moth]

You don't need to. Its passive (when you're below 30% energy now.) But you want to pair it with shiv to manually use it. You bind it and forget about tea

[grim vigil]

you dont go below 30 energy

if you do

you play wrong

[golden loom]

the difference between 100% efficient giga optimzed tea usage and just having it macrod/letting it auto proc is 0,2%

it does not matter

just macro and enjoy life

[grim vigil]

lmao the cope is real

go bind it bro

do what youre told

[golden loom]

I mean I did what I was told

and macrod it

[tulip tiger]

dude calm down lol

its christmas no need to fight ppl on discord

[grim vigil]

do whatever you like 😄

im very sorry

[golden loom]

also I mainly care about raid where it atleast is optimal to have it macrod

[grim vigil]

so if your shiv is on cd and one charge is coming back up at end of a fight you just not use tea?

yall are weird af 😄

[golden loom]

how do you end up in that situation

[earnest remnant]

you just press the key you have it macro'd to?

[grim vigil]

riiiight 😄

[karmic crystal]

can just press the macro - take a day off dude.

[grim vigil]

he literally said "bind it and forget about it" 😄

[karmic crystal]

somebody loves you out there

[grim vigil]

wtf 😄

[storm hedge]

It's not optimal but you lose so little it may as well be cause of the mental bandwith you don't use

[tulip tiger]

@grim vigil bro you're cooked getting upset over a macro o.O

[grim vigil]

check my profile pic, thats my whirlpool, if i want a break i go bubble

[karmic crystal]

I see a lonely man in a pool of despair

[earnest remnant]

tbf im with him, dont use macro's really myself

always better to have binds for what you need

[grim vigil]

i see rogue not being able to handle 1 more bind 😄

yall are the ones mad af 😄

[tulip tiger]

How about just letting people play how they want?

[karmic crystal]

it's a video game

[grim vigil]

because you cope your dogO playstyle

[golden loom]

you can also just spam to 0 energy in that case

[tulip tiger]

oh boy

[karmic crystal]

it's not that serious for people to use tea manually at the end of a fight when shiv is on cooldown

[grim vigil]

all good im out

[karmic crystal]

bye merry christmas

[radiant raven]

I wonder what thistle tea tastes like

[earnest remnant]

shit

[karmic crystal]

i imagine it's probably based on nettle tea or something

[radiant raven]

Shit sounds right then.

[earnest remnant]

tea = bad

[radiant raven]

Now if it was a nice licorice tea

[earnest remnant]

[potent lance]

its alredy off but still now showing :((

[radiant raven]

Just slamming mugs of that mid-fight.

[earnest remnant]

i might have to ban you

tea drinker

fyfaan

[radiant raven]

[slate crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1304492929171197984/comments_of_the_deranged.gif

[earnest remnant]

go drink your warm water with garbage in it

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-the-agents-know-dont-gif-18536773

[radiant raven]

Love me warm water with garbage in it. I have coffee atm though.

Which is just dirty warm water, I guess

[heady elbow]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[charred moat]

Stuck on 15/16 finery. Its over.

[normal mist]

Which site did you see that told you to use insta?

[golden loom]

They are warbound transferable so get on alts also if you need to

[rotund oak]

u could win this arguement so easy and fast

[late gulch]

how do you guys deal with tanks chainpulling without letting you restealth? feels like i lose out on alot of damage.

[solar wyvern]

Guys i figured it out

Choice node

"thistle Coffee" - same thing with versatiltiy

wait wrong channel

[static glacier]

Merry Christmas sin channel

[rotund oak]

merry xmas

[charred moat]

Yeah I think I just missed a week or two of raiding so im one off getting to the 14% buff. tried on an alt doing some lfr but didnt get any think ive gotta wait until next week

[fallow canopy]

Merry Christmas kings and queens

[spice spire]

Merry Christmas to all the homies. Love you all and glad to be here for you

[runic hinge]

You too quake

[drifting basin]

Sorry guys, im late to the party. I see it says we should obtain the stormbringer's gem from the command map, but what does this actually mean? What am I supposed to do with this?

What is the "revealed cave"?

[wooden otter]

sudden demise or Doomblade? wanna try build with IW and without SBS

[foggy thicket]

Kill an rare and you will earn the gem

[fallow canopy]

It should be marked as an objective on your map, with the reward displayed as well

[foggy thicket]

It will be marked on your map

[orchid elk]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[graceful solstice]

Doomblade is pretty terrible. You take it to get SBS, but if you’re not going for that you want pretty much anything else over doomblade(SD, SB, TTK, whichever of those you currently don’t have > DB)

[quick widget]

hey, can i wear two crafted daggers?

[graceful solstice]

Yes. But unless you’re pretty geared overall and just unlucky with weapons the 2nd probably isn’t worth it

Offhand doesn’t matter as much as a lot of other slots

[elder kiln]

Hey guys ! i think i know why i've had so many random pulls recently, it seems it might be coming from the legendary skippers gem

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1hlc8el/psa_legendary_skippers_citrine_can_aggro_unwanted/

[quick widget]

ty

[tall atlas]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shell wigeon]

yo guys how should i sim myself for m+? 6t 1m patchwerk or dslice?

[grim jay]

dslice

[rotund oak]

im trying to think a realistic scenario where you ''patchwreck'' 6 targets for 1min.It sounds so fried

think ive got a headacke

[shell wigeon]

havent played ass for a while, last time i did we simmed like that, thats why i ask xd

[rotund oak]

when did we sim like that ;o

[static glacier]

dungeon pack in a 14 perhaps

[rotund oak]

ok now im trying to think patchwreck build into a 14 key on 6targets

for 1min

[static glacier]

xd

LMAO

yeah i get you

[rotund oak]

😂

sounds like a fire mage sim because they cant rly cleave

my brain cant understand how we can patchwreck 6 targets for 1min

only thing i can think of is raid+spatter build

and thats pretty much our raid ''cleave''

[shell wigeon]

idk anymore, i think dslice wasnt properly done back then?

thanks for answer anyway

[rotund oak]

dungeon slice was always fne for rogues friend

we Dslice for m+

we patchwreck 1 target 5min for ST

and thats it

also for historical reasons/information

dungeon slice wass invented by a big brain old rogue

[lament beacon]

Hi any good guide to learn rotation?

[winged sun]

anyone has website for when ppl send cds in logs

?

nvm found it

[runic hinge]

Outlaw doesn’t have cds

[rich spindle]

Hi guys! is the ring with the best gems worth it?

[coral ibex]

pins

[winged sun]

im asking in sin channel

not playing outlaw

[turbid thistle]

Im curious, whats the name of the webside u found zeross :)?

[hollow river]

Lorrgs.io

[turbid thistle]

Tyvm, this is only for raid, right :)?

[hollow river]

I believe so. It just shows the CD usage of top logs for various bosses iirc.

[slate crown]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[leaden cypress]

what is the biggest ilvl of ring this week?

[keen spruce]

645

[warm vortex]

Back to wow
Finished Pokémon scarlet today
Was a fucking insane game omg
So fun :D

[normal mist]

Good

:3

[novel star]

Bad

Wow sucks

[runic hinge]

:3

[novel star]

keep playing fun games

[lament beacon]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[heady elbow]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[normal mist]

After 730+ hours of monster hunter world, I've now started monster hunter rise

Life is good

[quaint sequoia]

Is the Shuddering Hollow Event still bugged?

[normal mist]

No idea

[severe sparrow]

does flayedwing toxin work on spatter dam or no? im feeling like it's a no because of how it sims for me but just generally curious now

or dot ticks

[royal lantern]

ofc not

class talents dont interact with items

[severe sparrow]

im gonna finish this season off in hero trinkets still at this rate, fuck

[keen spruce]

I still haven’t taken a socket

Unless I hit rash cloak or myth Skardyns I think the next 3 vaults are sockies tho

[runic hinge]

I’ll sock you

[keen spruce]

[hollow river]

if you mean the event in the new zone, probably. they're on holiday so it will likely stay broken

[keen spruce]

I’m gonna punch you in the mouth.. with my mouth

[severe sparrow]

go find you a group who knows how to do it right and then dont leave the map till you get both

[quaint sequoia]

oh right forgot that blizz in a small indie company

[tough prism]

Any macro guides for assasination?

[hollow river]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[hollow river]

that's the only macro you need really

[severe sparrow]

tricks macro nice for dunjos

[spice surge]

Or just do it on a dead phase

[runic hinge]

No one should be allowed to take vacations without my personal permission especially not for major holidays.

[severe sparrow]

i wish it worked in raid but rip

my raid leader can continue making a face at me cuz i never use it

[quaint sequoia]

everyone doesn't need to take vacation no

[runic hinge]

Wrong

People need to take more vacations. Life is for living

[quaint sequoia]

correction to what I wrote, everyone doesn't need to take vacation at the same time

[radiant raven]

🙏

[severe sparrow]

how much work do you think like 1/10 of the company is gonna get done without the other 90% of their coworkers there cuz i guarantee it'd just get hung up on "person A needs to approve this but theyre out till new years so we might as well not have made a fix"

[hollow river]

video game makers shouldn't be allowed christmas vacations! reee

wild take

[quaint sequoia]

I've been working christmas many years in different fields, why can't gamedevs do it?

[hollow river]

this isn't a hospital or airport we're talking about

[runic hinge]

If you force the most junior people to work through Christmas you really think they’re gonna be able to figure out a bug instantly?

[runic hinge]

Because people are allowed to have lives. And they’re in a union. Probably paid holiday.

[normal mist]

Guys, aren't we old enough to think that this is just a game in the end, and if we're not happy with the service provided we can just cancel the sub?

[quaint sequoia]

then don't drop a patch a week before holidays 🤷‍♂️

[runic hinge]

It’s just a game

Take a breath

Ring is like 1% tops. You’ll be okay using your old ones cause it isn’t perfect

[royal lantern]

well

[normal mist]

Wise words

[royal lantern]

except that you play a worthless talent with tricks

[radiant raven]

And there's also work arounds if you really need it right now, too. Bugs happen, but it's christmas.

[normal mist]

AoE blind too good

[royal lantern]

"i was abused at work for years, why cant other people also have that??"

bro

[fresh kelp]

Just go war mode and solo the guy that drops it

[royal lantern]

pls, think about that for a second

[fresh kelp]

Easy fix

[runic hinge]

War mode is deserted ez solo lol

[severe sparrow]

if i were in a coordinated group id agree with you but 🥲

[normal mist]

What

No

Tricks is useless

[keen spruce]

Tricks gud

[runic hinge]

I use it to help gather

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

And not get one tapped after I silence

[keen spruce]

Just not good at what people think it’s good for

[hollow river]

[keen spruce]

He didn’t mean it

[normal mist]

They give you the option to have an AoE stop or give some aggro back to the tank

[runic hinge]

Tricks is with blackjack

[keen spruce]

Tricks isn’t on the same node as aoe blind

[runic hinge]

So it’s just dr after blind

[radiant raven]

Love blackjack. What a good node.

[normal mist]

I was cooking

[runic hinge]

Little too much

[normal mist]

AoE stop + DR is even better

[runic hinge]

I love blackjack but idk I take tricks rn cause I don’t love getting slapped by casters

[keen spruce]

The blackjack DR is kinda beans with how tanking works rn

[runic hinge]

Plus everything got dr from iron wire

I’m out here spamming garrote

[keen spruce]

Maybe it’d be good if you were running bdk

In sv

[royal lantern]

tricks is even MORE ussules in a non-coordianted group

[keen spruce]

Exclusively

[normal mist]

Not with the amount of people not using it rn because DpS lOsS

[royal lantern]

like, the only use for tricks is "i run ahead and pull a pack for my tank"

[runic hinge]

Yeah I ain’t them. I don’t run high keys. I’m barely doing normal keys

[royal lantern]

which is something you only do 1x in some dungeons in giga coordinated keys

[keen spruce]

Yeah tricks is good for not getting randomly punched in the mouth in gather

Which can happen a lot

[normal mist]

I did 1 timed 10 this season

[runic hinge]

My friends were finally online last night so I got my second portal hehe

[normal mist]

I feel you

[runic hinge]

Pug life kills me

[keen spruce]

Tony we’ll get your portals tonight

[spice spire]

Yeah I was about to say

What dude

[royal lantern]

tbh, if that happens is fully your fault

[keen spruce]

We attack

[runic hinge]

Here is my saga from pugging yesterday before work

[keen spruce]

Yeah but now it’s not a fault cuz I have tricks

[keen spruce]

[radiant raven]

Did he come back online

[royal lantern]

if more guildmates where onnline, i would say now "jump in and i pull you trought all keys in +10 for portals"

[runic hinge]

No I waited an hour and 15

[radiant raven]

Damn

I'm totally doing that next time it happens to me.

[normal mist]

I'll be honest my friend, I don't have them because I don't want to

[runic hinge]

And I was just gonna say “don’t alt f4 if you mess up. Just wipe and go again

[royal lantern]

big determination

[normal mist]

I just don't care enough

[royal lantern]

based as fuck

[severe sparrow]

i got tired of mobs hitting people cuz the pug dh jumped in and didnt press enough buttons before other people pressed buttons :<

[normal mist]

I love raiding more and more, m+ less and less

[royal lantern]

you pressing garrote once is not changing that mate lol

[runic hinge]

I wasn’t even mad I just wanted to let him know it’s okay to mess up just take responsibility and move on

[royal lantern]

like, do you know how threat works?

[keen spruce]

Yeah tricks is not for helping the tank maintain threat

[severe sparrow]

you know what, i never really thought about that honestly but youre right now that i do

fuck

[royal lantern]

[keen spruce]

It’s strictly to help gather and protect yourself from getting randomly bonked

[royal lantern]

ye, thats what we try to tell people

the only use for tricks is if you run ahead and pull stuff for the tank

not for helping with aggro

cus tricks is not doing shit for aggro/threat

[normal mist]

After all this is a discord where we can have discussions and help each other grow and help understand things better

So you already have a W

[balmy condor]

tank multiplier is getting buffed btw

[royal lantern]

^ yeha that aswell

and what royal said, you are the W of the week allready

[spice surge]

Already was

[keen spruce]

[spice surge]

That wasnt a next patch thing, it was a hotfix

[winged quail]

Idk I just saw someone genuinely upset that Blizzard isn't forcing people to work over Christmas sometimes Dicord makes me regret having eyes

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-staring-meow-meow-asyalittlecat-big-eyes-gif-26404220

[spice surge]

Unless theyre doing more than the 22%

[normal mist]

Those come and go, we can't really do anything about it

[balmy condor]

ah yeah, I forgot that we don't announce patch changes anymore in this game and just hotfix everything

[royal lantern]

capital G Gamers are quick to treat devs in their games like subhumans that dont deserve anything

what, free time?

fuck you, its holidays and i want X in my game fixed, YOU dont deserve holidays

[winged quail]

fuck your "family" I was mildly inconvenienced in a videogame

[normal mist]

Ahahaha

GIVE ME MY 1% DPS

[hollow river]

i've seen multiple people with the same take

genuinely fuckedinthehead

[royal lantern]

its a extremely "popular" take in onnline games sadly

[normal mist]

The only thing I like about the ring was that I swapped a 619 xD

[winged quail]

it replaced my HC ansurek ring so ilvl went up dopamine increased

[royal lantern]

its holiday season->people are at home and play->something doesnt work->"why cant the lazy devs fix it????" as if they are not on holidays aswell

[runic hinge]

It’s moggable

We love jewelry

[normal mist]

I saw it in the hand!

[royal lantern]

wait it is?

[runic hinge]

Wait

Maybe just

[royal lantern]

like, i can turn it off?

[normal mist]

It literally appears

[runic hinge]

It exists

[normal mist]

On your hand

[runic hinge]

No turn off

[normal mist]

You can't turn it off

[royal lantern]

:C

[thick forge]

guys how you roll your defs on CoT Izo?

[royal lantern]

feint every splice

[balmy condor]

probably like this

[quaint sequoia]

Small indie company, owned by an even smaller indie company -.-
If you drop a new patch a week before Christmas you should make sure you have staff to fix bugs like this during

[balmy condor]

dude how are you tripling down

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

read the room

[fallow canopy]

[winged quail]

he breached the Outlaw containment channel

[hollow river]

[wooden otter]

Ty

[grim vigil]

whats the matter with ppl playing sudden demise in pve

[spice surge]

Wdym

[grim vigil]

like why would you play sudden demise in keys

[spice surge]

10% bleed damage

And it does like 2% of your damage, its good

[grim vigil]

over something like ttk or master assassin?

[spice surge]

Sure

[keen spruce]

It’s fine people normally just pick up ttk or MA or w/e to shift into a tiny bit more st or to just feel better about how st feels

It’s basically all the same

[spice surge]

"swapping to more singletarget" while keeping sanguine blades

[subtle tundra]

💀

people just be saying shit

[runic hinge]

It’s me. I’m people

Shit

[grim vigil]

do you ever feel the need of double vanish?

[keen spruce]

It’s a very nice to have

[grim vigil]

did some leather boost runs with another rogue, it was very close every dungeon, i played MA/TTK no sudden demise + double vanish, he played 1 vanish/sudden demise/no MA, now i question everything

[spice surge]

#assassination message

[runic hinge]

You’re very nice to have

Merry shmeepsmas

[grim bronze]

does the gems in pin apply to keys aswell? or is it as listed on wowhead, the highest secondary stat gem

[silk sundial]

I'm by no means a good rogue. I do 10-12s and haven't pushed at all this season but I've tried multiple builds. Some with sd, some with ma, some with 2 vanish, some with supercharger. In 12s I don't really notice a dps difference but 2 vanishes feels good.

[keen spruce]

I’ve run basically every variation of m+ builds and can confidently say that it doesn’t fkin matter what you run

The only real choice is double vanish & subterfuge vs not. And iron wire vs not

[silk sundial]

I agree. If I'm running ma, I'm gonna run subt/vanish. No ma I run supercharger. The aoe vs st trade off is miniscule overall

[subtle tundra]

people be saying they wanna "test" changing a talent

and they go pug a random 10 with 12 wipes

and say they feel a difference

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-feel-it-the-wind-is-so-good-gif-17932077

[balmy condor]

the gems are all the same always

[grim bronze]

wonderful, thank you

[balmy condor]

it's even funnier when it's "well I wanna test how it feels for my playstyle"

as if they're playing the spec differently

[keen spruce]

They can feel the 1.5% AoE loss with a +- 15% variance

[runic hinge]

I can play it differently

(Badly)

[grim vigil]

if youre not using double vanish, do you go for 2/2 lethality into recup into 1/2 supercharger?

[keen spruce]

I always just run double vanish now

[grim vigil]

right?

[keen spruce]

But I think I would get induction?

Idk

[grim vigil]

fuck it i just play my build

double vanish + MA it is

[keen spruce]

But at high enough keys double vanish becomes pretty handy to refresh bleeds

When packs are living too long

I normally don’t run MA cuz I like having more flexibility with vanishes

[grim vigil]

does every pack die during your first set of bleeds? in lets say sub 13

[keen spruce]

Yeah

If I’m with a group that normally does 15s at least

If you’re in a pug then who knows

You might have an augmentation shaman

[grim vigil]

i dont understand this sentence

[runic hinge]

New spec

[keen spruce]

If you have MA you’re more incentivized to use vanish at the tail end of deathmark/kb

To maximize the damage

[grim vigil]

i c

[keen spruce]

You don’t have to, but I always feel stinky when I don’t do it

So I just took MA off

[grim vigil]

do you run iron wire instead then or sudden demise

[keen spruce]

Wire normally

[grim vigil]

i guess you switch between those?

[keen spruce]

I have a wire and an MA build

[grim vigil]

which one includes sudden demis

if any

[keen spruce]

None atm

I basically always just run wire unless I’m with coordinated group

[simple garden]

hey. I'm new to rog and I have a question. When I equip everyone after coming out of stealth, with club and break, do I have to Mutilate all those targets to benefit from Caustic Spatter? Or is it okay to mutilate the main target?

[keen spruce]

Spatter only goes on one target

[dawn heath]

Play subterfuge in ara, gb sv,nw then lethality Supercharger in the rest

[keen spruce]

Just mutilate main target every 9s to maintain spatter

[grim vigil]

i guess your iron wire build goes with double vanish, and ma build with lethality>recup>supercharger?

[simple garden]

ok. ty!!

[keen spruce]

There’s some DB routes that I like to have wire in. But it’s also DB so who cares

Oh you said subt

Nvm

[dawn heath]

I only play ironwire in gb if you have a prot paladin tank

Its ok in sv but not needed

[keen spruce]

Wire gets insane value in pugs

But if you can coordinate the stops and kicks it’s not too important in a lot of dungeons

If the damage is important to you

[silk sundial]

Yeah the only tangible difference is iron wire with ma gives more silence and double vanish is easier to recover from a bad chain pull. Every other build the dps is so close the key will have more variation than you can actually feel. I run iron wire cause I don't trust most pugs. Especially in a key like SV

[dawn heath]

I still wouldnt run wire outside sv and gb

Even in low pug keys

Wire value outside those keys are minimal

[grim vigil]

does anyone ever run supercharger?

[keen spruce]

Well aljan does

But most people probably don’t in most cases

Subterfuge is nice to save you from goofing up your mark. I gives you a little more flexibility

[dawn heath]

Yes

But Assa talents are quite flexible its pretty compareable in dps

Casualaddict is playing it now in every key

He has ditched subterfuge everywhere he says he think its better

[keen spruce]

You have to be much more diligent about your mark

but yeah I mean it often a trade off of dmg vs utility

[grim vigil]

ok i took everything into consideration, i now will play as follows, CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMzMzMzwMAAAAAAAzixsNDAAAAAAttMzMYmxYmZWmtxMDmZmZGMmZzyYGgNzyADYJYZYCMsMA

[keen spruce]

For casual the damage is most important and they’re going to drop as much utility as they can get away with

[grim vigil]

all im gonna change is MA for Wire

that ok?

[keen spruce]

But for most people having extra utility will lead to wayyy more success than just cramming in damage

[keen spruce]

It’s fine haha, it really doesn’t matter what you play

[silk sundial]

It sucks if you aren't paying attention and lose your mark on say 1st mists boss or 2nd SoB boss

[grim vigil]

i feel beaten tbh, random rogue with sudden demise no double vanish doing my dmg

i felt heartbroken

[keen spruce]

All of the builds basically do the same damage

[grim vigil]

my fingers still hurt i was trying so hard 😄

[keen spruce]

Also demise is good in sales

And lower keys

[grim vigil]

check this, lightweight shiv into arterial precision tec

[keen spruce]

Cuz the execute

[grim vigil]

i feel dirty using sudden demise for padding

no no no no

[keen spruce]

Well u said the other rogue was going your damage lol

That’s part of why

[grim vigil]

well he completely padded ara kara and won that, but i won SV

mfker was casting full combo point tempest into 10% hp spiders

diiiiiiiiiiirty

[keen spruce]

number go up

[silk sundial]

If it dies it dies

Does sudden demise dmg go back to your marked target?

[spice surge]

Singular focus works with sudden demise yes

[silk sundial]

So it's funnel. Not padding

[blazing pumice]

it's 5% of 2% of your damage, so not really

[grim vigil]

insane funnel

topkek funnel

[blazing pumice]

you would have had more funnel if the mob had stayed alive

[cyan karma]

Would you guys say SB over SD for most keys?

High keys that’s is 14+

[runic hinge]

Ain’t no way sb is more damage than SD

[blazing pumice]

yes it is

[cyan karma]

I notice Casual drops sd and has sb

[silk sundial]

SB rips aoe. Sucks st.

[keen spruce]

I haven’t played with SD in like 6 weeks

[runic hinge]

You’re a casual

[keen spruce]

SB craaaanks in aoe

[runic hinge]

Yeah maybe my keys are too low

Jk they are

[old halo]

SD craaanks in +7-8s lol XD

[runic hinge]

Sd is 10% bleed damage always

[silk sundial]

Sb/ma is by far my highest aoe sim but also by far lowest st.

[cyan karma]

I don’t wanna drop iron wire cause I’m pugging mostly so I’m gunna try TTK, IW, SB and drop SD and MA…

[fringe root]

does anyone understand how warcraftlog allstar rank works? i'm rank 280 but there's people with better parses that are lower ranked and i'm so confused

[old halo]

let the tanks dps St lmao

[blazing pumice]

why would you drop ma for ttk

[runic hinge]

It’s about logging every week

[keen spruce]

That’s what I run in almost all keys

[cyan karma]

I dont really know man

[fringe root]

ahhh okay that makes sense ty

[blazing pumice]

then don't?

[cyan karma]

That’s why I’m floating my idea… I’ve been pretty straight down the line sticking to whyspers build but now I’m starting to play around

[blazing pumice]

if you're doing weekly 10 no leavers then you don't pick up ttk

[keen spruce]

I have ttk cuz I like it

[cyan karma]

I’m pushing 14/15 trying to get better

[blazing pumice]

then drop IW in most dungeons

or drop sd

[keen spruce]

You don’t need to drop wire to do 15s

[grim vigil]

dude that profile pic is not ok

holy shit

he got me good

[cyan karma]

My common sense tells me that I’m way more likely to brick a key because a cast went off compared to lacking damage so Ive just never really being game enough I guess 😅

[keen spruce]

I agree

[blazing pumice]

iw isn't going to stop all casts

[keen spruce]

It can pretty much stop all casts

[blazing pumice]

you bricked the key cuz your team is shit, not because you didn't pick up a talent

[keen spruce]

You can handle an entire pack for so long with subt and wire

[runic hinge]

stop this cast

[blazing pumice]

plenty of groups can time keys without IW

[runic hinge]

[keen spruce]

Yeah you can’t make your team less shit

But you can make yourself more useful

[runic hinge]

I'm gonna drop iw and start casting cheap shot

[keen spruce]

Ofc you can time keys w/o wire that doesn’t mean it isn’t good

[blazing pumice]

drop sbs and doomblade if you really want ttk and IW

[keen spruce]

Why?

[blazing pumice]

cuz doomblade is shit

[cyan karma]

And keep MA and SD right?

[blazing pumice]

yes

[silk sundial]

Sbs is one of those feely things. I wouldn't wanna run without sbs but dropping it Sims higher

[blazing pumice]

you'll get over it

[silk sundial]

That's 1 more global i have to press after rupture.

[cyan karma]

Maybe ttk isn’t as strong as I think it is?? Compared to the other main 4 we’re talking about?

[grim vigil]

sbs mandatory?

[blazing pumice]

no

[cyan karma]

What about better energy conservation playing to envenoum up time out side of kb window? Or am I imaging that that’s better then non ttk 😅

[grim vigil]

dropping sb/db/sbs is fine? for MA/SD and dashing scoundrel

[blazing pumice]

you wouldn't pick up soundrel over sb

sb does a shit load of damage in aoe

[silk sundial]

You can drop doomblade and sbs and gain more dps taking ttk and ma or something. You just don't get combo points after your first rupture so that 1 more global whether that fok or mut

[blazing pumice]

you won't gain more dps taking ttk

ttk is a st talent

[gloomy heart]

hoping rogue sees any new changes for 11.1

[cyan karma]

Oh I didn’t really see it that way… I though it would buff splatter ultimately

[grim vigil]

i use sb/db and still have ttk and ma, idk what you mean 😄

[keen spruce]

Again none of these talent ‘optimizations’ really matter

We’re talking about a couple of % st vs aoe

The only choices that matter are wire and WoT/subt

And even those are not that important

You can take wire everywhere and you’ll be fine

You can take WoT everywhere and be fine

Everything else is basically pointless to worry about

[grim vigil]

using kushs build for some keys and will go from ther

wanna train not having double vanish

[sleek gazelle]

Ok all so I am on day 2 of swapping to rogue, last I played assa was probably MOP or cata if I recall and since it is completely different. I think I'm doing ok, 1M+ overall in keys but I feel like in ST I am lacking, usually bursting decent, but then falling very quickly.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/81804500?zone=39&boss=12660

If someone has the time, may see what i am doing wrong, aoe I am getting used to but ST is rough.

[blazing pumice]

there's no benefit in not having double vanish

losing WaT is an aoe loss for a minor st gain

[gloomy heart]

Our ST in m+ is already rough enough but your breakdown is completely wrong

Caustic should be #1

by a good bit

I dmd you what i think

[blazing pumice]

you're not using the hero talents properly

open with ambush if you don't have darkest night up

[grim vigil]

so you can basicly flex 1 talent point between sd/wire/ma depending on situation with the subterfuge/wot build

am i right?

id use sd in low keys, wire in trash pack keys and ma in dungeons with hard bosses?

is that logic correct?

[keen spruce]

Sure

[grim vigil]

yall goats

im enlightened and can go to sleep

its one thing looking at builds and another talking about them and their reasoningf

[rotund idol]

Anyone know how I can make webbed victims show on plater?

I have it selected here in npc colors but it doesn't show

[heady elbow]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

true enlightenment is realizing people just play random shit cause they placebo themselves into thinking their decisions have an impact on their success

which like, if it helps them play more confidently and they feel better and happier playing the game that way, more power to them I guess

but m+ community inherently just plays random shit just because they feel like it

[keen spruce]

^

[tawdry gorge]

Wait, does the new ring work with queen's ring?

[balmy condor]

what does that mean

[keen spruce]

Then defend their random choice as gospel and work backwards from their random choice to develop air tight justifications after the fact

[balmy condor]

they'd be real mad if they understood logical fallacies

[tawdry gorge]

Thought i read somewhere that the queen ring is bugged or something when having the new ring equipped. Or am i wrong here

[balmy condor]

I have no clue what you're talking about

so I'm gonna say probably whack

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/F6N3W8CncH4QLaRZ?fight=58&type=damage-done&source=168&translate=true

just opened a random log

and they seem to be working fine

idk man

[midnight mist]

Noob

[rotund idol]

btw the sim only has fok at 3+ targets isn't it supposed to be 2+ targets with thrown precision?

or not a big deal or something

[balmy condor]

fan_of_knives,if=variable.use_filler&!priority_rotation&(spell_targets.fan_of_knives>=3-(talent.momentum_of_despair&talent.thrown_precision)|buff.clear_the_witnesses.up&!talent.vicious_venoms)

3 targets, 2 if you have momentum and thrown precision

or whenever clear the witnesses is up and you're not talented into vicious venoms

can you link a sim where it isn't fok'ing on 2?

[rotund idol]

nah I was reading the apl I misunderstood

3- part

[grim vigil]

upgrade citrine farmable confirmed yet?

[woven shore]

how do i get these gems i need for siren island ring

[ancient tangle]

what is the ring max ilvl for this week ?

649 ?

[woven shore]

658

[ancient tangle]

ho ok

[spice surge]

645

Is the max this week

[pure moth]

The cave events. Look at the map for marker

[grim vigil]

how

[balmy condor]

faction change

[grim vigil]

some claim they drop from rares are they trolling?

[balmy condor]

that's how alts catch up

[grim vigil]

hmm

sumns fishy

[balmy condor]

whats fishy

[grim vigil]

maybe i got it wrong, but some guy linked his ring in world chat and said it dropped from a rare even tho his ring was 645 already, either he faction changed and is trolling, or sumns fihsy

[balmy condor]

yes, he faction changed

[grim vigil]

son of a gun

[balmy condor]

there's no other way to bug it that's known

[grim vigil]

😄 ive ran laps killing stuff fml

[pure moth]

My main just bought them off vendors and put them in warband bank for alt

[civic trellis]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tulip tiger]

Do you guys struggle to maintain rupture and garrote on 5 targets in big aoe?

Feels like i spend most my time trying to find a npc that doesnt have the bleed already

[serene mason]

Mhh isnt it like you Double Spam rupture on your Main target = 5 Targets get it?

I did this all the way like this but could be that this thing was coming from sub and is still stuck in my head.

[runic hinge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[tulip tiger]

Ah okay so you dont really need to hard swap and spread unless its in huge packs of mobs

[soft surge]

even then meh

[serene mason]

@tulip tiger do your plater profil shows the rupture next to the Nameplates? I guess it should exist some Script stuff which let the nameplate also glow or frame the nameplate red or smth similar if rupture/garrote is not on this target.

[novel star]

well you aren’t supposed to maintain garrote so no

not really

it’s only good with stealth buffs and if you feel maintenance issues when you have carnage going then idk

[royal lantern]

and garrote has a CD, you cant really spread it anyway

[dry wing]

So legendary gem is simming higher but I've been told that windsinging is better for the secondary stat. What is the consensus on that

[balmy condor]

which dumbfuck is telling you that

I want names

[drifting cloud]

it was tony

[dry wing]

I stayed with legendary for sure but I was like that can't be right. He argument made sense about the mastery stack but I was like....hmmm I don't think so

Some quack in a pug

[balmy condor]

I fucking hate this community

literally will just make shit up

out of nothing

[spice spire]

Soprano?

[dry wing]

Lmaooo i love paying money to this game

[balmy condor]

could say that 2 + 2 = 4 and they'd twist themselves into knots trying to say that actually the sims are wrong and 2 + 2 is not representative and actually they tested 2 + 3 themselves and that equaled 4 so every theorycrafter clearly doesn't know what they're doing and the guides are just misleading

[dry wing]

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

[flat void]

Just checked in to see what was going on. Who tf triggered Whispyr lmao?

[dry wing]

Math checks out. Seems legit

[balmy condor]

and like for some shit idc like do what you want, you wanna drop sudden demise for sanguine whatever go for it it's your life

[flat void]

Damn passionate over here

[balmy condor]

but then shit like windsingers vs legendary

like it's just math

it's not even better in X vs Y

it's just

like it's just better

I don't even know how else to say it

hate mplussers

[indigo lagoon]

guys

[balmy condor]

yeesh

[indigo lagoon]

i need this one dagger right?

[balmy condor]

597

[dry wing]

He had 2.3k io. High io = smarter brain

[balmy condor]

2.3

[balmy condor]

need for what

[indigo lagoon]

pvp

assa and sub

[balmy condor]

#pvp

probably idk

[indigo lagoon]

dead chat atm

[balmy condor]

okay

so you're gonna ask a bunch of pve people

what to do in your dead gamemode?

banger

[drifting cloud]

says 639 has vers, cant be that bad!

[indigo lagoon]

mb somebody knows

[balmy condor]

yeah, they do

but not here

[indigo lagoon]

)))

[balmy condor]

maybe ask the mage discord

[indigo lagoon]

ok

thanks

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1101018610224353312/1294816218649202718/togif.gif

xD

[flat void]

@indigo lagoon look at what other assassination players are using on leaderboard sites.

[runic hinge]

Is 2.3 high io?

[indigo lagoon]

I dont even know those sites))

[runic hinge]

Say yes

[indigo lagoon]

im new in game

[flat void]

I dont know if these are good sources, but I use Drustvar and Murlok.io

[balmy condor]

it's not about the size of the io it's how you use it tony

[indigo lagoon]

ty

[runic hinge]

I use it to brick keys lower than I’ve ever done

[tawdry crypt]

IO?

Anyone look at logs for sin. I need help cause I should be doing more damage and idk what I'm missing

[balmy condor]

m+ or raid

[tawdry crypt]

M+

[balmy condor]

yuck

reading m+ logs is a nightmare

[dapper cradle]

2300 io, but you’ve only done 4 dungeons on +18

[runic hinge]

A real nightmare is running m+ dungeons

[balmy condor]

real nightmare is actually dinner without youtube

[dawn heath]

send it to me

i can check it

but the best is hoenstly to record your gameplay with a ability gcd tracker and watching it back

[balmy condor]

too many variables for m+ logs

[winged sun]

Theres no way u can check an m+ log that well

Vod only same with outlaw

[dawn heath]

this is a very intresting spread of keys

[balmy condor]

clown game mode

[storm forum]

my guild has a key night. the people who dont do keys outside of guild legit hadn't gotten KSM until last week cause we never got something that wasn't Mists/Wake/GB/Vault

[balmy condor]

idk why we have keys

[runic hinge]

can i join i need portals

[balmy condor]

why can't we just walk up to pedestal

and do the key

idk, whole system is a disaster

[storm forum]

i dont think we're doing it this week/next week cause holidays but sure why not

[balmy condor]

instead blizzard decides to make a new achieve that only the top 1% of key runners will get to stop your key from depleting

which is like

why

[dawn heath]

i think raids are too easy generally and i like to do content outside of raid hours

[rotund oak]

cant see any devoker keys so its jut aug being a filthy wh@r@ specc

(sorry for my french)

[dawn heath]

keys still deplete above 12

[runic hinge]

I'll be around maybe in 2 weeks too

[dawn heath]

its just at 12 they don't deplete

which is completely poitnless

[balmy condor]

what

[runic hinge]

do you know how many people have all 12 timed?

i just want to you know

it's not many

[rotund oak]

fewer than u think

[storm forum]

i dont have a single 12 timed

[dawn heath]

well, i'd like to inform you that, that is just cause people arent trying

[runic hinge]

yeah sure

[dawn heath]

12s are not difficult

[runic hinge]

yeah sure

[dawn heath]

mouth breathing morons can time 12s

[gloomy heart]

THATS ME

[runic hinge]

12's are so easy that's why its less than 3% of all keys LOL

[storm forum]

most of my guild doesnt wanna do 12s, they just wanna blast 10s and 11s for vault

[runic hinge]

m+ brain so stupid

[dawn heath]

most people are not trying

to push

thats the thing

[balmy condor]

wait you're right, the achieve is for all +12's, and it just stops key depleting UNDER 12

that's wild

[sudden shale]

Hello, new here. I have a question about stats and was hoping someone here could answer. When you are looking at you stat weights and lets say you want to try and equalize two of your secondary stats, are the stats considered equal with the percentages match or are the considered equal when the numeric value of the stat matches?

[balmy condor]

neither

[indigo lagoon]

but only if u have 2.8k rio, no?

[dawn heath]

i would say a 12 is probably equivalent in difficulty to killing sikran on mythic

[balmy condor]

you don't look at stat weights