too long, can you shorten it
#assassination
royal lantern
@balmy condor whisgpt, what should i get for dinner today
balmy condor
its' either answer the same question 100 times
pure moth
or it glows if answer is in the window already cuz it was just asked
balmy condor
or put the info somewhere
and when I put the info somewhere
people show up bold faced and just go yeah ain't reading that can you answer the question instead
I'm just fucked regardless
jade minnow
I hope by this convo you AREN'T saying you are OK with how this patch was released (its completely dogshit) 🙂
arctic granite
I mean I read it after you told me so I understand
just got a bit mad about the way you responded
but thats just a me problem so sry
bronze pike
Your fine
bronze pike
Again keep in mind that this question is being asked almost every minute
People rightfully get snippy after the 5000027161 time
royal lantern
The restraint I sometimes see him have
if i would be in his position
i would ban 14people and then myself
pliant remnant
torn dome
so tl;dr is that ring = shite
golden loom
Eventually giga bis
sweet sinew
ring is awesome if you like stamina!
balmy condor
ring is VERY good
just not until you have the things that make it very good
which we don't
so its shit
winged quail
Ring is shit never equipping got it!
balmy condor
yes exactly whispyr said ring bad
pliant remnant
Isn't it awesome that they're keeping us from being too hyped about a new patch releasing by timegating the patch's main feature from actually being worth to use?
So considerate of their players
harsh violet
!plater
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
clever sapphire
until you forget why you were supposed to be hyped
balmy condor
also unironically I know glorb is supposed to be a parody rapper
but this goes so hard
for no reason
that's my 2:30 am contribution
yw
faint path
did anyone got the 4th gem or you guys only got 3 ?
balmy condor
4
rotund oak
ive logged in,checked my vault and logged out
faint path
I finished all the quests but I only got 3 gem hmm let me see
balmy condor
1 from quest, 2 from table, 1 from weekly world quest
daring glen
do you need to do the quest on alts to get everything or how do you get it
balmy condor
you can buy gems on your main and then transfer through your bank
clever sapphire
ive logged in,checked my vault and logged out
exactly what i did
spring socket
so cant get a blue 1fathomdwellers this week ?
spring socket
catching up on pins soz, so just run a Crackling and windsingers this weel.
balmy condor
well ideally you wouldn't run it this week at all
because its horrid without the good gems
and the only decent one here is thunderlords
and one of the slots your only option is a healer gem
so the ring is just like -3% to any regular ring currently
vestal cliff
Bro whispyr i love you so much, i was just wondering about the ring stuff, i look at the pins and you blessed us all with your wisdom again.
Im so happy, please never switch away from rogue thanks
humble verge
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
balmy condor
at the current rate of the game I just fucking quit lmao
vestal cliff
DAMN
humble verge
ringworm looking noice
vestal cliff
Next Season Everything will be better 
faint path
next season 3 months later lul
humble verge
at the current rate of the game I just fucking quit lmao
noooo... you need to get CE.... whispyr... nooo..
royal lantern
Next Season Everything will be better <:Copium:914973165644578886>
yeha, we allready got the anual "we make addons weaker again, but TRUST US we will make fights doable!!!"
(we still get 1-2 WA fights)
humble verge
i cri erritiem
full path
hi, what are your thoughts about the new ring? its actual rings on 619 simming alot better
balmy condor
pins
pliant remnant
We don't have the good gems yet
balmy condor
or scroll up about 15 min
midnight mist
yeha, we allready got the anual "we make addons weaker again, but TRUST US we wi...
i think they are kinda looking at it the wrong way tbf
instead of trying to not allow weak aruas etc to do assigns like that
why do they even make mehcanics that need assignements like that
its not possible to do unless you are liquid
how do you assign 20 people on fyrakk in like 5s
rotund oak
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
idk if im thinking what u thinking but im thinking that you are thinking wrong
humble verge
idk if im thinking what u thinking but im thinking that you are thinking wrong
no i already simmed
the ring is simming 9k more, but im also gonna consider a crafted ring into the sim since i was intending to do that this week
whats the ring even called
midnight mist
how do you assign 20 people on fyrakk in like 5s
why dont they instead do stuffs like they did on the clock boss in sl, idk if you guys remember, you had like a bunch of soak going out, but you had a specific one to soak per player, it wasnt rng assign
midnight mist
THE ring
storm hedge
isn't that embellished tho? Is that even worth looking into?
storm hedge
The non embelished ring is Ring of Earthen something
humble verge
ah ty
storm hedge
craftsmanship or something like that
rotund oak
binding of binding
ring of earthen craftmanship
humble verge
i cant even sim it
rotund oak
binding of binding sucks
storm hedge
Do you have replace gems and enchants? Would turn that off
gloomy heart
humble verge
maybe that why
flint star
For 636 ilvl in every slot achievement, do I need 2 636 rings, 2 636 trinkets, etc.?
storm hedge
yep
humble verge
i honestly might get 636 on my fucking dk
before i get it on my rogue
if i just craft everything
i have sacbrood 639 and also a sikran non upgraded mythic in my bag
flint star
So it's impossible to have 2 crafted trinkets
humble verge
when could one craft trinkets?
flint star
Alchemy trinket
humble verge
say what now
storm hedge
I mean at that point you just upgrade the mythic trinket in the bags tho. Just for the achieve so alts get discount
humble verge
i dont have any trinkets on my rogue
and you would need for it to be 636 on one char
flint star
Still need to have trinket in my vault or roll the trinket I don't need from raid
storm hedge
But for those who are missing one trinket, the crafted one is a good option
storm hedge
Do you have the shit ring from Siren isle as well?
rotund oak
if i just craft everything
my mage is 636 already and its supposed to be my alt
omegalucky lootfest through the entire season
lusty kraken
normal mist
but also maybe you are 610 equipped and it is
It's my case, 619 champion ring still
So the ring will be pretty good
subtle tundra
check pins
what the hell is sebek doing here
runic terrace
Can the gems be farmed in the cave events?
manic sphinx
Why am I getting this error
i get this a lot. first have to select max currency, before changing stuff, i think
when i do it the other way, i get that error
humble verge
my mage is 636 already and its supposed to be my alt
my rogue is 636, but not all of the items are 636
: (
humble verge
But for those who are missing one trinket, the crafted one is a good option
this one eh?
tropic jewel
blazing pumice
it's almost like it has to be upgraded
winged sun
when are the new ring buffs
old lily
finally got lucky with the vault
humble verge
fak
old lily
burst is gonna go nuts now
pliant remnant
finally got lucky with the vault
old lily
<a:peepospit:931997752278261832>
grim vigil
arctic socket
Rainbow pogu
royal lantern
gz
marble hemlock
this game is too easy
crisp wharf
What trinket should i use along with my Skardyn in m+? got 639 Dead-eye spyglass, 639 Bottled Flayedwing toxin and 626 Ara-kara. Spyglass best in sims but dno if it is the best in practice cuz of target swaps?
spice spire
https://i.imgur.com/jv7wiMi.jpeg
🤝
royal lantern
deadeyes has nothing to do with target swaps
thats not what it does
it gives full stacks in 1-2 seconds in aoe
crisp wharf
ye but it might mark the wrong target when i spread bleeds or something? but ye i guess my aoe will attack it and grant me stacks then :p
golden loom
atleast I got my first myth track trinket in a sacbrood today 🙂
spice spire
Hell yeah
crimson zephyr
This was a +10NW I think and 1.7dps overall including a few deaths. Every dps did 1.7m so I guess I did decent but I think not great.
Shouldn't my envenom be above my CT? Tried to focus CT a bit more because I keep forgetting it. Maybe I overdid it? ^^
Also people keep saying they don't care about garrote but garrote is always so high in dmg.
royal lantern
a ability that has a 100% uptime in ST and you boost with 50% more dmg when applying in aoe will be higher
the point is that garrote outside of stealth doesnt do anything really
thats like saying "kingsbane is weak, its only #9 there"
crimson zephyr
the point is that garrote outside of stealth doesnt do anything really
so the gcd and energy is still spent better on fok/envenom resp. spatter
royal lantern
yes
crimson zephyr
ok thanks
spark pulsar
Guys why iron wire is necessary on GB? like i dont get it, and also is there any other dungeon where i should use it?
crimson zephyr
if I sim dungeon slice in raidbots I get 1.6m DPS but it's easy to see that in m+ you can go way above that. I guess the number is useless and the sim only has the benefit of comparison of gear?
golden loom
Guys why iron wire is necessary on GB? like i dont get it, and also is there any...
just use it at all times
nova aspen
https://i.imgur.com/jv7wiMi.jpeg
lmao the bare minimum 
spark pulsar
just use it at all times
so fuck twist the knife?
subtle tundra
Guys why iron wire is necessary on GB? like i dont get it, and also is there any...
you look at how many mobs cast and how dangerous the casts are
iron wire is good in grimba
crimson zephyr
https://i.imgur.com/jv7wiMi.jpeg
well sir, congrats and fu 😮 god I farmed that thing so many times and I never got it. Christmas came early eh ^^
crimson zephyr
iron wire is good in grimba
where wouldn't you use it?
subtle tundra
in dungeons where there arent a lot of casters
spark pulsar
iron wire is only applied if im in stealth or it can be during the 12 secs after getting into combat
subtle tundra
yes
golden loom
12 seconds yes
subtle tundra
it can be during 12 sex
spark pulsar
so i kinda have to maintain a uptime there?
subtle tundra
no?
spark pulsar
well if i can get 17 second of silence why use 5?
golden loom
I assume silences are on DR like anything else?
royal lantern
if I sim dungeon slice in raidbots I get 1.6m DPS but it's easy to see that in m...
yes, you use sims to compare gear and talents, not to "hit the number" or compare the number bettwen specs/classes
royal lantern
I assume silences are on DR like anything else?
yes
subtle tundra
are they?!?
spark pulsar
wdym DR?
royal lantern
@spice surge sorry for ping
solar wyvern
They're not on DR
gusty mirage
Why am I getting pinged at 4am
royal lantern
They're not on DR
then i blame eleem for giving me Missinformation
damm green names
golden loom
lowkey this isle is kinda cozy, I like it
midnight mist
Why am I getting pinged at 4am
why arent you immediately answering is the queswtion tho
what are you doing at 4am
shy axle
clever sapphire
2+
nova aspen
i didn't even go back to look at the 4 am ping, i just assumed it was zac/zeros
thats funny
static glen
We want to craft belt and wrist correct? Making sure WoWhead is right
gusty mirage
what are you doing at 4am
Sleeping because I have work in the morning?
What else would I be doing at 4am
storm hedge
Silence has DR in pvp, is that different for pve?
I always just assumed it has DR in pve as well
agile wedge
did somebody do already the qs on the island? it tells me to investigate the vrykul kript, iam standing in front of something, but it does not check in my log
golden loom
did somebody do already the qs on the island? it tells me to investigate the vry...
need to stand close to the seethrough boxes or whatever and u get a special action button
pale socket
stand back and observe from afar. gotta stand there awhile. ruminate a bit
agile wedge
only
gusty mirage
Silence has DR in pvp, is that different for pve?
It has DR in pve as well, as long as the mob isn’t immune to the silence
agile wedge
only thing happening is some crystal dudes spawning from time to time
storm hedge
There is conflicting information even here on this channel, 20 minutes ago there were people saying it doesn't have DR. Not that I don't trust you but I'll check it myself once I'm in game just to be sure
spare kayak
garrote silence doesnt have dr in m+
manic sphinx
Can i put dawnthread on everything i craft (taht is able to) just in case I mix and match later? Or do i have to make sure I only have 2 at any given time?
rugged umbra
craft as much as you want, but can only equip 2 embellishments
manic sphinx
Equip, as in wear? Or if I wear like 4 of them, only 2 will work?
Or I wont even be able to equip it, if it's the 3rd Dawnthread
hollow river
Or I wont even be able to equip it, if it's the 3rd Dawnthread
This
manic sphinx
Okay, ty ❤️
wooden otter
did they update fok animation?
gusty mirage
There is conflicting information even here on this channel, 20 minutes ago there...
Understandable, always best to double check either way. Also idk why people are saying it doesn’t have DR because unless it was broken recently Iron Wire def still has the DR
topaz wing
Are all the gems farmable on day one?
clever sapphire
look at pin number 3
limber lion
There is conflicting information even here on this channel, 20 minutes ago there...
In the past Garrote silenced on its own and Iron Wire simply increased the silence duration and introduced the DR (Damage Reduction).
Nowadays Garrote does not silence on its own and you need Iron Wire for both the silence and the DR.
Without Iron Wire, Garrote does not do either. With Iron Wire, Garrote does both - but only if the target is able to be silenced in the first place
If you cannot silence a mob, it does not benefit from the DR either.
But having said all of that
arctic socket
Who’s hyped to farm up a new ring?
limber lion
Silence does not have a diminishing return in PvE.
tame stratus
swear the first guy meant diminishing returns by "DR" not damage reduction 
limber lion
Yeah. I was just messing around, that's why the long paragraph about DR and one sentence about diminishing returns.
That's why it was confusing for some, because damage reduction and diminishing returns share the abbreviation
royal python
did somebody do already the qs on the island? it tells me to investigate the vry...
You have to solve the puzzle chest
clever sapphire
Who’s hyped to farm up a new ring?
meeeee (i will touch the new island in 6 weeks when i can max out the ring)
royal lantern
Silence does not have a diminishing return in PvE.
I BLAME ELEEM
he said once that the silence has DR
and i thought its true
golden loom
oh yeah I was thinking about diminishing returns the entire time, guess this why using abbreviations is shit 
royal lantern
and eleem is a smart guy
limber lion
Yeah generally it's just hard-cc like stuns that have dr
But you can be pretty sure that every single time that you press Garrote on a target with IC/Iron Wire up, you will silence them
solar wyvern
Omg are people using DR as Damage Reduction and not Diminishing Returns
Is that what this confusion is about xd
limber lion
People use them as both
That's why it is confusing for some
In PvE you tend to see damage reduction more than diminishing returns
solar wyvern
Yeah that is fair
limber lion
as diminishing returns isn't really a mechanic to worry about in PvE
But a boss sitting at 99% damage reduction is pretty common
golden loom
Guess I am too classic brained after telling warriors to stop charging mobs cause they kept DRing my stuns
onyx crane
so can someone explain, I got neck in my vault, put it in raidbots max upgrade add sockets etc.
if I toggle the replace all gems/enchants option neck doesn't sim higher but if I don't the neck is a 0.4 increase
limber lion
so can someone explain, I got neck in my vault, put it in raidbots max upgrade a...
Link the sim
onyx crane
gosh that might take a while lol
onyx crane
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Tj46R1M96LPQZtPUdGVDv the one with replace toggled
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/obgPqL1YLg7aVzTk42KsQC the one without
torpid sparrow
ddoes anyone have a meld macro working? mine seems to not work properly
it even says a line in /s
limber lion
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Tj46R1M96LPQZtPUdGVDv the one with repl...
Looks to me that you forgot to turn on the primary gem in the other sim
That's why everything else sims worse, because it's replacing the primary gem
You want to make sure to choose a primary gem and choose "always use primary gem"
onyx crane
that makes sense
onyx crane
thnx
limber lion
Np
onyx crane
it's a silly oversight
sterile ore
hey guys can u tell me soft caps of assa ? im like this RN
royal lantern
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
arctic socket
Looks like you need more mastery
Maybe they never came here about stats, maybe it was to show off their 639 spyglass / skardyns combo
onyx crane
odd, so i toggled the the gem on on both sims with or without replace and the neck still sims higher on the don't replace gems/enchants som
limber lion
Link
onyx crane
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9CGqWXhJFvkBS45QSk1kL8
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7oBwzF1N3P3pM3D88vyAzt
sterile ore
not buddy its real question
this is my SimC so you can check my gems etc. i dont got the premium raidbots cant simm em all 😄
started rogue with the start of tww never played before but I LOVE IT
onyx crane
I am avery slow learner I only now started to parse blue on mythic bosses
sterile ore
Maybe they never came here about stats, maybe it was to show off their 639 spygl...
actually i´ve got a lucky vault with spymaster and ara kara same time but im feeling for crit than haste trinket
arctic socket
So you have all 3?
onyx crane
I cannot complain I got dawnbreaker crystal on myth and skardyn
limber lion
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9CGqWXhJFvkBS45QSk1kL8
https://www.raidbo...
Wrong enchant on pants
arctic socket
I’m a skardyns dawnbreaker gamer myself
limber lion
The ones you're wearing are 930 agi, the ones you're simming are 620 agi
sterile ore
i just did /simc hmm and y im waering 930
limber lion
Not talking to you
onyx crane
Not talking to you
I never was that good with spot the difference as a kid :3
limber lion
It's all good, happens to all of us
onyx crane
I’m a skardyns dawnbreaker gamer myself
I got a heroic spyglass too
I think 33 crit and 50 mastery is a nice sort of lvl to be at
arctic socket
Stats rly don’t matter much for sin 
just whatever the robot tells you to equip
humble verge
idk but like i feel my CD lineups are just so bad sometimes, or im press too many rup/gar that my dps goes under 2m
112 casts of gar and rup
hmm
onyx crane
yeah and it still tells me the same thing
idk anymore at this point lol
could it be that the replace enchants/gems sim is just a bit wonky?
spice spire
idk but like i feel my CD lineups are just so bad sometimes, or im press too man...
Yeah sometimes it just doesn’t happen on runs
humble verge
Yeah sometimes it just doesn’t happen on runs
this was a piss easy 15db tho D:
idk
sometimes with enhance and dk, it feels slower or faster
cant really tell
onyx crane
I can't even do that much dps on my char :3
humble verge
:3
onyx crane
I am always too clumsy
limber lion
could it be that the replace enchants/gems sim is just a bit wonky?
No
It's just user error
humble verge
atleast in first pull mists
spice spire
this was a piss easy 15db tho D:
Yeah usually where I have the issues too (db, I run pisslow keys).
If your timing is off and you’re sending CDs on small packs or holding dm because small pack before mini boss
There’s a lot of little shit like that
humble verge
honestly
spice spire
That just ruin the flow of the key
humble verge
sometimes i just send KB on like
30m hp mob 1 mob left of pack
cause i like to have kb and dm lineup
onyx crane
I ama bit frugal with my cds at time wich I try to improve but never rly get it right
humble verge
use CDs off cooldown
spice spire
But if they desync it just creates nonsense
humble verge
i was so used to holding CDs for like everything kek
i remember when i did keys in like SL
think i only used CDs on bosses no trash packs
limber lion
Well Shadowlands was a bit different
onyx crane
I used to do that unless it was big pack long before boss
humble verge
yy
onyx crane
assa had little to no aoe in SL
limber lion
Yeah holding Obedience Flag would have been trolling
onyx crane
like I said I am only now parsing blues on 1st 4 mythic raid bosses
I am a slow learner
I don't have CE aspirations but I don't wanna be dead weight when playing
limber lion
I genuinely think I miss flag
That's nuts
spice spire
No, it’s these nuts, pal.
limber lion
I don't have CE aspirations but I don't wanna be dead weight when playing
If you just started playing Assa, you're chilling don't worry
onyx crane
nah been playing assa since forever XD
limber lion
Welp
onyx crane
gone trough so many changes I cannot keep up
spice spire
At its core it’s pretty similar
limber lion
I started Rogue in Cataclysm, quit, picked it up in Legion and been playing it ever since
onyx crane
but I have a tendency to not fully commit to a class, bit of an altoholic
onyx crane
and in the beginning I was totally botching the deathmark mechanic
limber lion
Botching how?
onyx crane
by not understanding it properly
onyx crane
nah like in transmissions or council fight
limber lion
I'm confused
onyx crane
like on queen after the shield if you have one stack dm on her you have to vanish to use it again on adds
onyx crane
that's what I ment!
onyx crane
it is
it was my bad
I sometimes also call it darkstalkers mark
but that's a capcom fighter
darkstalker that is
onyx crane
so I meant the hero talent DSM(not to be confused with the psychological manual DSM V)
manic sphinx
im a new rogue, i was thoroughly confused about it too, even after like a couple weeks. kept wondering why i wouldn't get deathstalker stacks, while pressing deathmark
soft surge
10 hours since the last pin
rain oyster
whats best talent to drop if you wanna pick up iron wire in m+? sanguine blades?
from standard m+ build
limber lion
Sure
noble void
I tend to drop Dashing Scoundrel for Ironwire
limber lion
@onyx crane the sim is complete
As you can see, doesn't make much of a difference changing all the gems/enchants
coral ibex
why would you have dashing in an m+ build
limber lion
compared to just running what you had previously
coral ibex
limber lion
Actually scrap that
onyx crane
the big question was ...is the neck worht taking from vault or not
snow kindle
for raid yes
late gulch
are we just getting 4 gems this week or have more been discovered?
coral ibex
default plater gross
midnight mist
Ugly
grizzled trail
I’m lazy and can’t do my own research. Do I need ring tonight for raid or is gems we need not out yet
Is it gigabis this week
midnight mist
If you don't get it before raid tonight
People will be doing 20% more damage than you
Good luck cuh
grizzled trail
People will be doing 20% more damage than you
Perfect answer thanks haha
earnest remnant
the ring is turbo garbage this week
spice spire
Just get the gems for the week and sim
Likely not worth this week
As stealthi said
It takes about 30-45 minutes
spice spire
subtle tundra
Zac is so real for that
grizzled trail
Haha I feel violated
clever dust
Guys, what is the best gems for a new ring?
brazen fern
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
balmy dome
My sim seems to be obessed with haste even though I'm running double haste trinkets, I'm also about 7k Agi lower than other rogues at the same ilvl:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ez4CAxX3Y3uJHn5GmzCymY
does all this seem correct?
midnight mist
<a:catattack:1085742312069537863>
Please stop spreading misinformation
spice spire
Please stop spreading misinformation
Zac I’m going to eat your ass until I create three extra wrinkles if you keep on
S2g
snow kindle
My sim seems to be obessed with haste even though I'm running double haste trink...
makse sense to me all your crafted gear is crit/mast
earnest remnant
<@83652604344664064> am I out of line here
i allow it
rotund idol
spice spire
Ty king
balmy dome
makse sense to me all your crafted gear is crit/mast
ty, I think once I get the haste/mastery neck it may change
snow kindle
yea it will
snow kindle
well
arakara gives that much during combat
so even tho baseline wont have youll have more stats throughout
snow kindle
👍
royal lantern
arakara gives that much during combat
and it puts little spider friends on you ::w::
balmy dome
and it puts little spider friends on you ::w::
most importantly
snow kindle
love spider friends
spice spire
You mean crab friends
midnight mist
<@83652604344664064> am I out of line here
Please don't ping mods, they are not here for your entertainment
spice spire
You’re not the boss of me yung Zachariah
midnight mist
spice spire
dapper cradle
is gear compare dogshit?
limber lion
No it's fine
dapper cradle
why did they move it to legacy
limber lion
Because you can use all the features it has
On Top Gear
Top Gear just handles everything now
dapper cradle
oh shit alright
dapper cradle
maybe I'm just a bozo who doesn't know how to use top gear correctly
midnight mist
And compare them
dapper cradle
yee that's what I want to do ^
limber lion
You can though
midnight mist
But most often you can do everything with top gear
limber lion
It just compares everything else at once as well
midnight mist
You can though
How do you mean
Well ye
But like with gear compare you could do stuffs like, say I want to have this very specific setup vs that other one
dapper cradle
can you import items you don't have into top gear?
limber lion
There's a literal search bar at the top yeah
midnight mist
Not reading raidbot patch notes 
cobalt sphinx
GGG said they would buff crossbow skills but the buffs turned garbage into more garbage
midnight mist
You don't even know the craziest parts about top gear
midnight mist
Wait till you learn abou
echo island
This is nice
echo island
xD
pliant remnant
(keep paying your sub)
dapper cradle
haha pics jkjkjk...unless?
midnight mist
send vault i need gooning content
spice spire
It was the achievement run
spice spire
send vault i need gooning content
pliant remnant
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
pliant remnant
midnight mist
eveyrone got this trinket
vast patio
Speaking of gooning
spice spire
its not even rare anymore
It is for me 🙂
vast patio
One week I decided "fuck it I'm not doing 8 10s in one night" and guess what trinket dropped in the non mythic slot
: ) ) )
candid sun
Had that happen with empowered crystal
pliant remnant
Mistcaller Ocarina?
candid sun
Was slightly salty
vast patio
I at least got all my mythic tier, I just need trinkets now
dapper cradle
Mistcaller Ocarina?
still hunting my myth track mistcaller ocarina
spice spire
Yeah my ilvl is abysmal, 633.56 🙂
dapper cradle
never lucky
spice spire
Haven’t gotten loot this tier unlucky vaults
spice spire
get your money up not your funny up
I am
coral ibex
my man
strange python
rate the new ring from a Garbage to 10
coral ibex
garbage
raven egret
The isle is one of the most useless place ever created. The ring comes from the isle. The ring is dumb.
but, we have to use the ring, cause daddy blizzard says so. Well maybe next week... or after
mental plume
this cant be right >.<
coral ibex
the island is an unused asset from 3 expansions ago, meaning it did not meet quality requirements to be used in bfa
strange python
even if its ugly, atm there is no use for it yet right
dire vector
it has a use
raven egret
we missing the gems we need so, right now its a bag slot warmer
strange python
it has a use
im not talking about the garbage can
dire vector
it upped my ring ilvl to be able to upgrade my actual ring without crests
strange python
minor gate
both rings have sockets, dont know how they'll compare to the new ring with our bis gems
grim jay
both rings have sockets, dont know how they'll compare to the new ring with our ...
Hint: they are worse
raven egret
both rings have sockets, dont know how they'll compare to the new ring with our ...
they wont, the new ring is equip when we get the gems and not removed until in S2 when they nerf it to shit
subtle tundra
both rings have sockets, dont know how they'll compare to the new ring with our ...
you dont care about sockets on jewelery
cause you buy them from ah
spice spire
Scalliwag good ring iirc
coral ibex
scalawag was bis
minor gate
i think the question is how long till the new ring is worth equipping
coral ibex
depends on the rings you have rn
if you are 2x 639 rings, it will be like a month
before the new ring is good
minor gate
raid ring on Champion track
raven egret
i think the question is how long till the new ring is worth equipping
next week, or the week after that probably, depends which gems they give us on reset
royal lantern
i think the question is how long till the new ring is worth equipping
my shity gues is: 2-3 weeks from now
minor gate
ill grab scalliwag
royal lantern
cus at that point we will have gems/ilvl is higher
minor gate
its the only thing worth grabbing rn
raven egret
keep in mind the ring ilvl means absolutely nothing, only stamina. Some people praised the new ilvl but it doesnt affect the gems whatsoever
so we need our full set of gems, and thats all the ring needs for us to equip it and just leave it there
grim jay
keep in mind the ring ilvl means absolutely nothing, only stamina. Some people p...
dont trigger the m+ andys
coral ibex
i think we're in the "only overall matters" part of the m+ cycle atm
so they dont care about stam
royal lantern
i think we're in the "only overall matters" part of the m+ cycle atm
no its "focus dmg" rn
raven egret
f-u-n-n-e-l!
minor gate
the very foundation of sin aoe
ebon notch
is spamming CT on brood more damage than envenoms during add spawns?
grim jay
no
raven egret
You never, ever, spam CT
ebon notch
sick
royal lantern
in case you didnt knew it allready, you dont spam CT
normal mist
CT doesn't have instant damage
royal lantern
the voices in my head tell me other things
normal mist
it just applies a dot
royal lantern
^
spice spire
the voices in my head beg to differ
The voices in ur head are dumb
Ct does not initial dam anymore
raven egret
But to be clear, you never spam CT 
spice spire
So spamming it just means you’re applying the same dot, like they said.
I hope this helps king 
cerulean walrus
But are you aware that you never spam CT?
jade abyss
ebon notch
Ct does not initial dam anymore
ye i just noticed
i assume the bleed dynamically updates as well with the amp per target?
coral ibex
no
spice spire
It does not
coral ibex
it snapshots targets
spice spire
If you hit 5, it remains 5t dam
You could. Unsure the different of 6s of 5t vs 13 3t in the global usage as well ngl
rotund oak
my rogue is 636, but not all of the items are 636
😦
oblique wasp
quick question please- which bosses benefit playing Fatebound instead of Deathstalker? I found out the hard way I lose my mark on Ulgrax
raven egret
I still hope FB gets nuked into oblivion at some point, and that the coin burns in hell nods
grim jay
ye, so it loses in gameplay aswell
raven egret
but to avoid losing mark on Ulgrax, just make sure you have DN going into intermission and make it jump through adds all the way back to the boss
couple fights you have to babysit your mark if you dont want to lose it
grim jay
is the new ring even worth?
did you try reading the pins?
sometimes you can find treasure
strange tundra
did you try reading the pins?
no im new here
i just joined
i will check them
ty
grim jay
pins in here usually have the latest info
strange tundra
good to know
cursive smelt
Currently the ring is worth something against a basic ring?
grim jay
what is more ideal
fan if deathstalker
grim jay
Currently the ring is worth something against a basic ring?
like literally a few messages above
cursive smelt
@grim jay baguette time :/
cursive smelt
yes i am french 😄
strange tundra
@grim jay i dont see in pins if that ring withh the 4 allies proc gem and the stat boost gem is worth using in M+
clever turtle
fan if deathstalker
is it to keep momentum of despair up?
grim jay
<@314360286247124992> i dont see in pins if that ring withh the 4 allies proc ge...
#assassination message has the info on what you should use
everything thats not mentioned is eww
clever turtle
You use it with clear the witnesses
Thank you!
swift roost
Why do the guides talk about speccing into crimson tempest for council, but then dont spec into it in the tables?
raven egret
For silken court? it doesnt mention CT
swift roost
Hmm, so no CT for the council fight?
raven egret
I mean again what guide and where did you read that, and are you talking about SIlken Court
clever turtle
You use it with clear the witnesses
sorry to bother again, just wanted to clarify the way it works do i need to use fok gcd after deathmark is applied or anything after
grim jay
sorry to bother again, just wanted to clarify the way it works do i need to use ...
it has a duration of a few seconds
and its deathstalkers mark
not deathmark
swift roost
I mean again what guide and where did you read that, and are you talking about S...
The wowhead guide mentions it under the builds section
subtle tundra
Holy these stats are cur-sed
swift roost
k k I see, this section
Yeah, got me confused😅
grim jay
Holy these stats are cur-sed
the only curse I know is my never-ending love for you
worldly dock
hey guys
since i finnaly got Skardyn its okay to use it with deathmark?
is there a macro for it?
blazing pumice
macroing a pot is a pretty bad idea
silk sundial
I don't have potions macrod
Cause r1 2 and 3 all have different ID
Sometimes I'll have r1. Sometimes r3. Macro gets funky
I can't think of a downside to a DM Skardyn macro though
balmy condor
I have potion macro’d
candid sun
I usually have on use trinket / pot modifier macro'd
worldly dock
#showtooltip Deathmark
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Deathmark
candid sun
Just something I carried over from pvp
worldly dock
if i replace potion with use 13 will be ok?
junior olive
is there a vendor where u can buy the gems u need for the ring? or how do you farm them
for your bis gems
worldly dock
u farm them on rares
balmy condor
if i replace potion with use 13 will be ok?
Why not just add it
desert vault
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
clever turtle
can someone him me with my logs, idk what i am doing wrong i just killed nexus ( although did good dam considering raid but shit parse)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jdq4K6NfJx2c9WQ8?fight=last&type=summary&source=14
split veldt
desert vault
So any rare can drop gems? Just low drop rate I'm guessing?
balmy condor
No
desert vault
Ah ok, just saw the comment of "farming them on rares" and read a bit too much into it 🙂
sour rune
What enchants should i be using for M+ and raid for my weps. im looking at archon and its showing MH and OH as Radi pow and MH OF for raid is Depths and Radi pow on OH. how accurate is that
balmy condor
Just use power
sour rune
for both hands raid and m+?
latent gazelle
Yes
sour rune
okay ty
crisp blade
Is it problem for my sin rogue survival in 13-14 keys if my vers dropped to a low 1.5% or about?
balmy condor
No
crimson zephyr
do you take iron wire in mists? if not what you choose instead
balmy condor
Unless you plan on getting like 10% more vers it won’t matter
crisp blade
Unless you plan on getting like 10% more vers it won’t matter
Good point. Should I try to get 10%?
balmy condor
Fuck no vers sucks
crisp blade
Yeah
crisp blade
Not like outlaw that wants vers, feels tanky haha
spice spire
can someone him me with my logs, idk what i am doing wrong i just killed nexus (...
It’s a new partition
coral ibex
spice spire
Didn’t you find it weird that you were the only assassin rogue between 630-632
Outside of that
spice spire
You messed up 3 and 4m kingsbane.
Everything else was fine
You’re just 631 in a partition this late into the season
I’m GIGA low (also AotC Andy this tier) and I have 2 ilvl on you
Envenom uptime a little low but like.
Not break the door down and assassinate you low
frigid kestrel
I only did M+ all season other than last week and im 638. Gear was free this season
coral ibex
some people dont do their m+ homework
spice spire
I only did M+ all season other than last week and im 638. Gear was free this sea...
Shit vaults on my end even with 8 10s most weeks
My best weeks were from non full vaults
frank axle
what shuld be my first craft as rogue? like i get wep is a good idea but what emelishments? shuld i go the wep one or have crit thread on gear?
spice spire
what shuld be my first craft as rogue? like i get wep is a good idea but what em...
If you need a weapon just get weapon enchantment
runic hinge
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
silver sail
I am away next week. I have to wait 3more weeks to get next week’s BIS? Omg!
lethal arrow
silken court is dead but my bottom parsing DH decided to run me over and kill us both on the last damage amp!
good boss!
floral reef
gz
balmy condor
I am away next week. I have to wait 3more weeks to get next week’s BIS? Omg!
No, you will have access to any previous gems
It’s this week + 2 more weeks to unlock the gems
After that you just get them
novel star
runic hinge
Hell yeah
coral ibex
silver sail
No, you will have access to any previous gems
Great Ty
frank axle
oh another question is the iron wire silence so strong that you skip sanguine blades or master assasin?
faint kelp
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
runic hinge
oh another question is the iron wire silence so strong that you skip sanguine bl...
If you are pugging IW is recommended
And you would usually skip SB
nimble tartan
silken court is dead but my bottom parsing DH decided to run me over and kill us...
why u have to call them that smh
bad teammate #badmorale #negativeaura
runic hinge
Call em out Omar!!!!
lethal arrow
why u have to call them that smh
Our guild lead wants him gone next tier
gloomy heart
Dh zug zug but no zug
lethal arrow
Dh has caused a very unacceptable amount of wipes solo this boss
nimble tartan
Call em out Omar!!!!
mhmmm
lethal arrow
Lucky for u
Our dh had rank 1 deaths to nexus daggers on kyveza
And constantly dashed into ppl of the opposite group on silken
dapper cradle
amazing
proper holly
Hey, during subterfuge windows when you have the buffs for rupture and garrote, do you need to tab garrote/rupture? Or can you just spam it on ur main target and it will spread?
dapper cradle
how do you get back to siren isle
lethal arrow
how do you get back to siren isle
same ship area you went there from
its right outside dorn
runic hinge
Hey, during subterfuge windows when you have the buffs for rupture and garrote, ...
!carnage
prisma monolithBOT
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
pearl ridge
anyone using the new ring at all?
marble meteor
What about the updated maghar racial?
uneven plume
is there a Sim link for the fully upgraded ring BiS gems?
acoustic roost
nimble tartan
ring heals a lot guys
royal lantern
well
proc healing
LOL
aka doesnt do anything really except looking big on the HPS meter
royal lantern
Mans tryna gold the healing meters
time to reroll vulpera or draenei then
healing racial active
balmy dome
!log
prisma monolithBOT
Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage
Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/
spice spire
Log OUT and go buy some
balmy dome
How do I request a log review is there a command?
limber lion
As in, he's gonna demolish you
spice spire
Oh
limber lion
Absolutely tear you a new one
spice spire
I’m like the nice one wdym
balmy dome
my boy
end me
lmao
I've noticed when I compare to a lot of rogues, my envenoms do not hear nearly as hard lol
limber lion
Nah but for real, Quake is super nice and he'll surely look through
I'll take a quick peek as well
gloomy heart
week 2485 of ppl wiping on heroic queen
nimble tartan
I've noticed when I compare to a lot of rogues, my envenoms do not hear nearly a...
jump before envenon to aim higher
more dam little secret they dont want you to know
sullen hearth
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
strange python
so ring is shit for this week?
limber lion
Ye
pliant jay
guys we using weapon whetstone or ooiiil?
balmy condor
whetstone always
pliant jay
thanks<3
rotund idol
!carnage
prisma monolithBOT
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
tawny barn
mercurial egg trinket any good, its good in sim but in real word ?
molten flicker
bro dont use trinkets in real world, use guns
balmy condor
mercurial egg trinket any good, its good in sim but in real word ?
yes
tawny barn
lol
balmy condor
whats funny
dapper cradle
Lol
light moat
is the ring usable or not ?
silk sundial
So I have 1 myth ring already and then a hero umbris band. I was planning on crafting a ring this week and then the Cyr band came out. With the correct gems it will be bis I know. Should I craft a ring to bridge the gap for another week or two? A crafted 636 ring is a .5% increase.
spice spire
is the ring usable or not ?
Pins
spice spire
So I have 1 myth ring already and then a hero umbris band. I was planning on cra...
Only you can tell yourself if it’s worth the gold / crests to do it
coral ibex
crests are uncapped, the only loss is time to farm and some gold for the mats
uneven plume
Sparks aren’t uncapped
silk sundial
I have the sparks and I'm sitting at 150 crests I think? Fully upgraded atm
Ring is cheap to make too.
I've gotten horrible luck. Still no Seal of the Poisoned Pact
humble verge
i love aug
tall jay
Dayum!!!!
humble verge
atleast sometimes
tall jay
That’s awesome
dapper cradle
i love aug
Insane overall
humble verge
Insane overall
yeah, for the first 2 packs before EDNA
and then we wipe on edna
kekw
15 SV for ya
ionic crater
It’s just wipe simulator
humble verge
ye
gloomy heart
Whats the pros and cons of going Nelf from dwarf, in raid and m+?
balmy condor
dwarf does more damage, nelf might be able to cheese a restealth sometimes in m+ if you're able to get through how janky meld is
nelf is basically peak mplusser cope that you can restealth
gloomy heart
Can i ask why youre orc
balmy condor
I was void elf but for the start of the expac you can't queue dungeons cross-faction and so I couldn't play with my friend
haven't been orc since they made upright orc
already played belf
runic hinge
Whats the pros and cons of going Nelf from dwarf, in raid and m+?
Nelf does flips and dwarf doesn’t
runic hinge
I would be vulpera if I was horde
balmy condor
vulpera is sick tbh
spice surge
what is a mans value if not his simdps
Especially the wowprogress sim dps rankings
The 7:30 min sims
runic hinge
They look good in most mogs too
indigo lagoon
Is it the best quality?
balmy condor
yeh max item level fully upgraded is 639 currently
which is myth track
hero track maxes out at 626 and is the next best
indigo lagoon
tysm
balmy condor
then champ is like 613 or something
indigo lagoon
I started like 2-3 days ago
gloomy heart
then champ is like 613 or something
619
indigo lagoon
im new in general))
balmy condor
pretty impressive then to have hero track and 4 piece
balmy condor
you're good
it's like a relationship
the butterflies will go away
and you'll realize they're actually giga toxic
don't need to rush
indigo lagoon
I'm not rushing, I don't understand what to do)))
balmy condor
bigger m+ and harder raid
indigo lagoon
m+ and raid for assas rogue
balmy condor
and after that you do even bigger m+ and even harder raid
indigo lagoon
but for pvp better sub
balmy condor
idk maybe
indigo lagoon
and I stopped understanding where to strive and what specialization to play
sub pvp
or assas pve
runic hinge
I play assa in both
indigo lagoon
I play assa in both
is it good in pvp?