assassination

[coral ibex]

bc we were gonna kill it without the 2nd nerf

[nimble tartan]

the tier felt sameish speed for me but it was def harder

queen was weirdly very easy for us

[royal lantern]

im happy that we killed it pre nerf

cus that would suck ye

knowing that weeks of prog where kinda "wasted"

[balmy condor]

it's a quick questline every week for 6 weeks then rare/chest opens for the gems you need if you didn't get them by then

[bright cipher]

the only issue i have with that is, with .0.7 being 8~10 weeks it leaves you with little time to enjoy it full before before they decide to nerf it like they did on DF version at 10.1

[nimble tartan]

ty boss

[balmy condor]

that's your only issue?

[bright cipher]

but i do enjoy they made this version able to become a secondary stat ring like normal ones

[light moat]

After six weeks you get the ring or you mean 6 weeks till fully upgraded to 639

[balmy condor]

fully upgraded

[bright cipher]

thats my main issue with it

i am not all that bothered with its power level as others might be

[balmy condor]

my main issue with it is that it's a fucking abomination

[bright cipher]

why is it an abomination?

[balmy condor]

cause they're making another one of these dogshit 10ish week power rings with nebulous effects that players will have to go open a guide for, pick 3 gems, ignore everything else

and in both situations blizzard couldn't fucking figure it out

and tune it to any amount of decent level

they just shove it down our throat as power for next tiers prog and then after some amount of time they decide we've had enough and nerf it

rather than making an item system that makes any amount of natural sense

it's just pure lazy slop that we have to trudge through because they'll keep turning the number dial until it's mandatory

in the 2 years since 10.0.7, the best they could come up with is "the same ring but worse and less interesting"

like it's just a prime example that they don't iterate on design

they just copy paste to put something in

[bright cipher]

are you also on the Mastery/allstats/highest stat as betst combo followed by the 150% and ST zap?

[balmy condor]

and it fucking sucks

yes

everyone is

there's fucking gem combos that are like -4% lmao

the tuning is laughable

[bright cipher]

yeah

[crystal glen]

anyone got a good focus kick macro?

[balmy condor]

/cast [@focus] kick

[bright cipher]

like when you say like that i don't disagree with you, my feelings just aren't as passionate about it.

they should figure out better things for a .0.7, i would even prefer something no power-related but fun.

but as it exists, my biggest issue is the length it takes vs how much time its relevant

[balmy condor]

I mena I'm at the point where the entire gear system needs to be overhauled

like as fundamentally as "should trinket slots exist" and a rework of secondary stats

[bright cipher]

remove haste from gear

[balmy condor]

gear in wow is some of the worst out of any mmo

the last time they made a core change to stats is in wod

when they fucking removed one

well end of wod start of legion I guess

[bright cipher]

yeah, in wod they added things, but then removed

[coral ibex]

i think there are a lot of wow players that think having substats makes the game feel more complex in a good way

i dont really care

[royal lantern]

mfs need to play ff14

where you have

crit

and crit again

[coral ibex]

gear should either be as boring as it is in ffxiv (100% deterministic drops) or as interesting as vanilla gearing

[royal lantern]

[coral ibex]

i do play xiv

[royal lantern]

direct hit

lmao

[coral ibex]

progging the new ultimate rn

yea xiv stats suck but gearing is simple

[balmy condor]

yeah and like that's the thing

[bright cipher]

they also had 2 other stats (that didn't see the light of day) for WOD

[balmy condor]

xiv doesn't pog over their gearing

[bright cipher]

Readiness (Who is nowadays used as one of the ways for CDR) and amplify who i have no idea what it is (but its probably another one of the siege of orgrimmar trinkets)

[coral ibex]

we pog over transmog

[balmy condor]

wow is like YOOOOOOOOOO GEAR LOOK ITS SO SICK LOOK AT THIS AMAZING GEAR PLAYERS PLAY FOR GEAR GEAR IS THE THING WE DO THATS OUR THING GEAR IS SICK EVERYONE WANTS THAT SWEET LOOT

and then they give you a steaming pile of shit

you're telling me this ring can RNG PROC NATURE DAMAGE????? HOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYY

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

that's the innovation we need in video games

another rng proc damage

that's a patch feature

ship it

[coral ibex]

gear used to be cool when it was paradigm-shifting borrowed power

[bronze pike]

id like

[coral ibex]

can't have that anymore

[earnest remnant]

Also timegate it whispyr

[bronze pike]

blizzard has to pull a classic thing

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't even be half as mad if they didn't make things like azerite and whatever and tried to make things interesting

[bronze pike]

and add powerful cantrip items and make en actually last a long time

[balmy condor]

and then YOINKED it back out

at the end of a patch/expac

[bronze pike]

like i didnt mind eggnog ring

i l;ike that

[balmy condor]

legion artifact weapons were great

azerite was getting there

but then the moment anything gets iterated to be almost good

oop, expac done

that was the feature

[bronze pike]

annulet i wouldnt care

[balmy condor]

no more

kekw

bye bye

[bronze pike]

just let us keep a thing

[bright cipher]

this rings a lot with something that a old theorycrafter from DKs (https://x.com/MagdalenaDK posted once) but i cant quite find it

Magdalena (@MagdalenaDK) on X

Copy Editing @Wowhead. Founder of the #Acherus community. Games, books, music, and culinary triumphs. Drifting in the general direction of nostalgia.

Twitter

its been a long time/like shadowlands long

[bronze pike]

eggnog ring only shit cause it was a rare drop

id like it lasting multiple tiers

[balmy condor]

shadowlands didn't even let us keep the abilities, they've been removing them and reworking them from basically every spec

[bronze pike]

syl dagger was also pog

[bronze pike]

tbf

some of them would be insane to keep

like ashen hollow

[balmy condor]

of course

but like

I don't understand this dev cycle of make cool thing, wait 2 years, crush with hammer

[bronze pike]

ye

[bright cipher]

honestly? depends, its all about numbers after all

[bronze pike]

id would have like it, if they kept some conduits

like that conduit that made decree hit twice for dh

or divine toll that hits multiple times

that was fun

could have made it capstones

[balmy condor]

be careful what you wish for

we got a conduit and it was recuperator and it took them nearly 3 years to fix it

[bronze pike]

[royal lantern]

ye

xiv gearing is

new patch drops->buy a full set from the AH

and then equip the raid drops when they drop cus its all fixed drops and you have BiS items and slots

[balmy condor]

and thats fine

[royal lantern]

after 4 weeks you are bis

repeat every content drop

[balmy condor]

they don't pretend like gear is the major feature of the game

and never have

[royal lantern]

ye, they dont at all

like, even the sstatss are a lie

[balmy condor]

blizzard prides itself on wow's gear and then does the same shit

[royal lantern]

tbh, its a tough battle

cus the second you make gear more complicated, it instantly turns into a "idk what to use" shitshow from most of the community

cus they cant even read

[solar wyvern]

Got a question for yall, I've been trying to get a mouseover macro for shadowstep to work, where if I have no mouseover it will just shadowstep my target. but I can seem to get it to work

currently using: /cast [@mouseover]Shadowstep;[]Shadowstep

[royal lantern]

hell, secondarys are a giga meme overall, and people overcomplicate them like crazy

[solar wyvern]

any macro wizards able to help?

[balmy condor]

that looks fine

remove the []

[bright cipher]

there are some factors on it, in part, secondary stats are a excelent scapegoat

"my dps is low because i don't have the proper stats and not because i need to improve"

[royal lantern]

yep

[solar wyvern]

It says I have no target

when not mousing over

[royal lantern]

and then pass on a +16ilvl upgrade cus "it has vers and guide says my best sstats where haste/crit" and shit like that

people are really.....not smart with gear

[balmy condor]

oh wait

yeah lmao

/cast [@mouseover][] Shadowstep

you need the box in front

[solar wyvern]

It still simply says I have no target if I'm not mousing over

[balmy condor]

what

[solar wyvern]

(yes i am targetting something)

[balmy condor]

???????

try /cast [@mouseover][@target] Shadowstep

[solar wyvern]

same thing -_-

Am i missing some sort of addon or something this is so weirdge

[bright cipher]

specifically about trinkets... when trinket design is at its best.. i rly enjoy it

[balmy condor]

no addon needed

[bright cipher]

but i do admit that its something who have insane variance in quality

[solar wyvern]

like idk

[royal lantern]

is that a pvp dummy?

[solar wyvern]

no its the standard dummy

the dungeoneer dummy, same problem

[bright cipher]

what you think of the SOD or Remix approach to gear (not the insane attributes, but like the effects/skills tied to them) ?

[royal lantern]

bad

lol

lets not act as if Remix was anything other then mindless proc stacking on gear that all had no difference

[balmy condor]

@solar wyvern /cast [@mouseover, exists][] Shadowstep

need to check if there is a mouseover

[solar wyvern]

Thereee we go

ty

[eager root]

Is the new ring as bad for us as it looks or am I missing something?

[runic hinge]

[elder kiln]

hey guys, any tips for the roots during last boss of COT ?

[spice surge]

Dont cloak or vanish anything else

And/or dont use them if you or the other dpsers have big cds going

[elder kiln]

ayyy ofc i guess 2 vanishes and cos should be enough to be safe every time

[proud fable]

I think I’m the only rogue not playing around splatter but going for sudden demise ?

[cobalt sphinx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

yeah that's alien

[proud fable]

But then I got many questions about it

[nocturne sorrel]

Can anyone help me figure out why my DPS is lacking? My gear seems like it should be good enough and my uptime usually isn't bad.

[proud fable]

Most m+ I do on a range of 10-11 with some 633+ while I’m 625 I still pass then on dps, so how much better is the other build

[balmy condor]

well I assume you're playing internal bleeding instead of caustic if you're "going for sudden demise"

[proud fable]

Any rogue with some high parses on that range or higher keys could give me a few tips?

[balmy condor]

so just off of that around 10%

[proud fable]

So the gap is really that small?

[balmy condor]

10% is not small, what

[proud fable]

Yea I find it way more satisfying to play

[balmy condor]

10% is worse than just unequipping both tier sets

[proud fable]

So what do you do to optimize splatter? 5 ruptures to get agi buff up and spam envenom on the marked target?

[balmy condor]

yep

envenom/kingsbane

[proud fable]

And how does the splatter build permos in bosses?

Performs*

[balmy condor]

I mean it's legit 1 talent swap

[proud fable]

No it’s not

[balmy condor]

you lose the 2% boss damage from internal bleeding I guess

ofc it is

[proud fable]

Ppl with splatter go for poison bomb

I don’t

[balmy condor]

oh

so you're giga fucked then

[snow kindle]

😭

[proud fable]

Show me your parses please

[balmy condor]

you're gaining single target dps

[frank axle]

wait not going bomb or temp blades then?

[balmy condor]

tf you mean show me your parse

[snow kindle]

what is this guy cooking

I must know

[balmy condor]

this isn't even debatable

[spice surge]

Its just the bleed build, except no spatter and presumably no kingsbane

[balmy condor]

like you're doing less aoe

and less single target

you're just doing less

[proud fable]

Like I don’t wanna sound rude tbh, but before listening to some tips, I would like to see your performance if that’s ok

[spice surge]

So youre just nuking your singletarget from orbit

For no gain

[snow kindle]

parses aint gonna do anything

its just logic of rogue

[balmy condor]

[proud fable]

What’s the average overall you should be doing at around 625 in your opinion ?

[balmy condor]

as if me writing two guides

and doing the sims

isn't enough credability

holy fuck

[proud fable]

Im speaking about m+

[balmy condor]

💀

m+ parses

dude you're fully cooked

I can't help you

you're on your own

[proud fable]

Funny that you go for offense while I’m literally just asking questions

[spice spire]

M+ parses detail nothing except timing on the key on an average.
Damage, nothing matters

[balmy condor]

I'm not going on offense

I just simply do not have the time to explain all of the knowledge you are missing

[proud fable]

Then why you answering ?

[snow kindle]

This guy is fried

deep

fried

[proud fable]

Go on with your life and I’ll listen to someone with more patience and more kindness

[jaunty warren]

Is this person really asking Whispyr to prove he knows his stuff ?

Sorry got here late …

[balmy condor]

you are so woefully unaware of how basic things work that before I can even explain why your talent choice is incorrect, I would have to explain how third party metrics works just to justify my own credibility to you before we can even discuss the thing you originally asked for

it's not about patience or kindness

I tried that when I told you that you were losing damage doing something that is objectively worse

[proud fable]

Ok I see where you coming from and totally get it

[spice spire]

Hey @subtle tundra (shown above) not going spatter is like one of the dumbest things you could do in keys correct?

[spice surge]

Mf said shown above when its shown below smh my head

[earnest remnant]

Only rank 5 damn Varas blows now

[subtle tundra]

ill have

[proud fable]

Varas was the guy I found a bit ago in dornogal and whispered him

Amazing guy from our short conversation

[spice spire]

He’s right there

[spice spire]

I’m on mobile eat my ass king xoxo

[spice spire]

What I’m saying Smdh

[subtle tundra]

honestly

i blame my team

[earnest remnant]

Damn can’t even take accountability

[subtle tundra]

fucking elemental shayman

[earnest remnant]

How you have fallen

[subtle tundra]

i play flawlessly if you dont account for my mistakes

[earnest remnant]

Tru tru

[fallow canopy]

why you always threaten with a good time

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Because I only want the homies to have a good time

[fallow canopy]

damn he's good

[proud fable]

So technically if someone comes here thinking differently , everyone goes “you are fried”

This is what I got so far from this conversation

[spice spire]

That’s not true at all

[proud fable]

Change my mind then

😄

[spice spire]

The inability to listen and gatekeeping based on checks notes timing parses is a bit strange behavior

Especially from the guidewriter and theorycrafter that the best rogues in the world bounce ideas off of

To see if they make sense

[proud fable]

Tbh I don’t wanna base my criteria on parse

My thoughts on this came from comparing my experience in m+

[spice spire]

A lot of innovation comes from this, including the realization that 600000 builds are viable

But

Caustic is an insane source of damage that helps propel the key forward

[subtle tundra]

the whole spec revolves around caustic

[earnest remnant]

Caustic is more broken than my leg

[subtle tundra]

in aoe

[spice surge]

Bleeds are just too undertuned atm relative to the poison stuff with spatter

[spice spire]

God damn

That was an insane line dude

[earnest remnant]

I have a saucier one aimed at you at the rdy too

[subtle tundra]

bleeds are, however, strong in a scenario where mobs die very quick

[runic hinge]

His leg is really broken too

[subtle tundra]

bcs you dont have time to do caustic

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s why it’s insane

[spice spire]

???? Dog what

[earnest remnant]

Quake if you don’t start acting right imma make your voice hit notes you had no idea you could hit

[proud fable]

@subtle tundra you are the real MVP

[subtle tundra]

if you do 10/11s and mobs die very fast i recommend the bleed build

from wowhead

[spice spire]

What do you mean by this

[proud fable]

Im using my onw build, but yea it makes since things die so fast in 10s

[earnest remnant]

I’ll leave to your imagination

[proud fable]

But I see how splatter is so op in your range of keys

[spice spire]

Wish you wouldn’t

[snow kindle]

its op in any key

[earnest remnant]

Spatter is broken everywhere

[earnest remnant]

I came up with it after you told Eleem to eat your ass

[spice spire]

[grim bronze]

explain twist the knife to me as if i'm 5. Do we micromanage the 2 stacks at any given time?

[snow kindle]

nope

no micomanage in raid atleast

instead of 1 pizza you now have 2

[spice spire]

Honestly

Yeah

[grim bronze]

cool.

❤️

[humble verge]

rofl

most stupid ass russian pala i did a key with

claimed i have bad ST as a rogue

when rogue has bad ST in m+

[normal mist]

the key range you're talking about starts at +2

[proud fable]

what gave you this conclusion?

[normal mist]

playing the game

[proud fable]

it all depends on what you got in party with you

[normal mist]

i don't have premades so i play with every kind of random players

[proud fable]

and as @subtle tundra said, in situations where things die too quickly, splatter might not be as efficient

[normal mist]

Things die too fast if your group is well geared and people know their class well enough

when this happens, it means you can do higher keys than what you're doing

[proud fable]

im at a range of 10-11, but going higher without premade is nearly impossible time wise

[solar wyvern]

Yo can you like send a picture of your build cookup

Just out of morbid curiousity

No bomb, no spatter, do you run kb?

Like im fascinated by your logic of caustic being not useful

[proud fable]

and im fascinated how most of society follows the "big" guys without making any questions and trying to figure out things your own way

thats what sheep do

[solar wyvern]

Its not "the big guy" its math

10% bleed damage

[normal mist]

feelscraft

[solar wyvern]

Is not more than 425m

[proud fable]

are you from Area 52?

[normal mist]

a +9 ara, 1.7 overall

[solar wyvern]

Checking my logs or something? Yea

[calm grail]

I'm new to this topic tonight, what's going on?

[proud fable]

you got an amazing profile

[solar wyvern]

Bro doesn't believe caustic or poison bomb are good

[proud fable]

its not i dont believe

i wanted to listen to ppl that are good whats their thoughts about it

and yours clearly matter to me tbh

[calm grail]

Thoughts on what?

[proud fable]

you got amazing results

[cerulean walrus]

Spatter is the strongest talent in the entire game brother

And it isn’t even a capstone

[normal mist]

you sheep

[nova python]

you claim to listen to good people yet you still didn’t listen to anyone unless proven with parses tbh

[normal mist]

following what the big guys say

smh fereran

[cerulean walrus]

Guess I’m sheep

[normal mist]

[proud fable]

a lot of keyboard warriors in here

[solar wyvern]

I will be 100% with you, if you have anyone to listen to, parses or not, Whispyr is by far the most intelligent theory crafter there is here

[nova python]

at least you are open to criticism

[solar wyvern]

He writes the guides, he helps people when they ask questions, very based.

[normal mist]

he also parses

xD

[proud fable]

thank you for being open to a open discussion without firing shots @solar wyvern

[solar wyvern]

True that i don't really follow others parses, just my own tbh

[normal mist]

i also only follow my own

but i'm a hc raider

so its whatever

[solar wyvern]

Hc is still good 🙂

But as everyone else here has said, unless a pack is dying in 7 globals, caustic spatter will always be worth it

[normal mist]

thanks, i try hard to beat my own personal bests

and fuck queen

[solar wyvern]

Nice! Parsing heroic is hard now that everything dies so fast

[solar wyvern]

Also can u send a picture of your build cookup I really wanna see what you're dropping poison bomb and spatter for, not to flame just curious

[runic hinge]

Probably just the bleed build

[cerulean walrus]

Bro is definitely running bleed build but thinks internal bleeding is better cause he’s running bleeds

[solar wyvern]

Maybe but it sounds like he came up with this himself

[calm grail]

I only do HC too so I respect this

It's like speedrunning

[normal mist]

YEP

feels good when your whole group pumps

[runic hinge]

I also only do Aotc

aotc andys unite!

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-gif-8177135

[calm grail]

I was only able to get orange on Ovinax last week and idk what happened

[runic hinge]

you guys are too good for me

[normal mist]

I feel you, my ovinax logs are all over the place

that top parse is simply ST + CAUSTIC

[calm grail]

Yup.

[coral ibex]

same

[still stone]

How tf u get orange on brood

[coral ibex]

get good cleave

[normal mist]

yeah caustic value

[still stone]

I’m jk bro I know how to do it lol

My group does too much add dmg for me to parse that

[normal mist]

[still stone]

I’m in the same boat in Mythic

I’m too ethical on that boss

[normal mist]

The number next to the all star points is the world rank correct?

[coral ibex]

yes

[normal mist]

i wonder then how that's calculated

@calm grail has 96.3 average and its 1203

i have 95 and i'm 368

[coral ibex]

bc it counts current best

not historical

getting pinks week 2 and then never getting good logs again will show avg 99 with very low asp

[normal mist]

[coral ibex]

i dont have an example on wcl bc i have recent high logs but in ffxiv i got week 2 pinks and then didn't try to parse again

you can tell by the rank being purple

[normal mist]

picto

smh

[coral ibex]

im the static's caster

[normal mist]

(good job actually)

[coral ibex]

yea i like it

was a blm one trick prior

[normal mist]

Lil'Yoshi

the only caster i somewhat enjoyed was rdm and summoner

[coral ibex]

i hate having a res

[normal mist]

ressmage not a good job? 😛

Meanwhile i've been playing MHWi again

[novel star]

lmao this new .0.7 ring post

@balmy condor LOGIN

[balmy condor]

yeah this is my 13th reason

ngl

[fallow canopy]

that post felt like a deja vu

[novel star]

i love item level

[balmy condor]

Ring update #5 wahoo

Video for pookies
with the ilvl increase the ring is now clear BiS. We will inevitably get a gem tuning pass later in the patch so look forward to that

For Gems you want:
Thunder: Stormbringers Runed
Sea: Fathomdwellers
Wind: Legendary Skipper's Citrine

BIG UPDATE
Legendary Skipper's Citrine is the clear winner now after a fix in sim implementation.Equip: Your spells and abilities have a chance to cast a random Singing Citrine effect at 150% effectiveness.This can also proc Roaring War-Queen's Citrine even when it's not equipped, proccing the gem effects of other players around you as well as your own. This makes it insanely strong and we gained 1.5% across the board due to this implementation

Numbers:
BiS everywhere
+2.6% in Deathstalker Raid
+2.3% in Fatebound Raid
+2.1% in Wowhead Hybrid M+
(these numbers are off of bis profiles, your character will vary slightly so double check for yourself when the patch is live)

[midnight mist]

No

[worldly sail]

[gloomy heart]

REEEEEEEEEEE

[midnight mist]

I won't farm it

You won't make me

Whospar

[novel star]

starting at 639 makes it my 13th too tbh

have to do it every week

cant just delay

[sacred schooner]

hahahaha

what a clown fiesta, they made it op again same like ring in df

[calm grail]

Well. My ring was my weakest last slot.

Glass half full I guess.

[novel star]

i swear to god dude

if my rings are 658 circlet and 626 ansurek

i’m gonna blow my shit off smoove

[sacred schooner]

is it hint new season will be 2 month from now? since it will take 1 month to fully upgrade

[runic hinge]

all of season 2 too

[balmy condor]

I'm running combination atm with current implementation

but will have to see how good things are after sims handle newfound stuff

[spice spire]

Damn they really did do annulet pt 2

Anyone wanna pick up their phone

[bleak ledge]

1 less piece of gear to farm in s2

[balmy condor]

I wanna do something but it's ToS for me to speak about it in a public discord

[soft surge]

bliz were reading this chat and the ring is now bis

[worldly sail]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[spice spire]

Hey king

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/b5STP5k.jpeg

youd think

thats what the PTR is for

[balmy condor]

there is an incredible hatred in my heart right now

[spice spire]

If there’s hate in your heart let it out

[balmy condor]

nah

cant

would get banned

[spice spire]

Oh

[storm hedge]

Dm it just to me

[spice spire]

Big John blizzard fan tho?

[soft surge]

now we need a guide on where to get bis gems or w/e they are

[balmy condor]

you kill rares

and open chests

and it gives you random gems

that's it

[fallow canopy]

at least court is dead

[spice spire]

Still checking on it

[calm grail]

More or less annoying than Dragon Isles ring equivalent?

For farming/leveling

[soft surge]

seems less now its starting at big

[balmy condor]

less

[midnight mist]

Random?

No wae

[balmy condor]

it drops little things that you use

and it gives you a gem

[midnight mist]

[balmy condor]

at least I think so

would be how 10.0.7 worked

hold on let me double check with database

[soft surge]

oh woaw a 10 hour maintenance tonight

epic

[balmy condor]

yeah okay I don't actually know lmao

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/currency=3090/flame-blessed-iron

there's this

which is the same as 10.0.7

[dapper cradle]

still gonna have my heroic ansurek ring locked in

[balmy condor]

it drops from rares and shit

[dapper cradle]

guess it's isles + pact

[storm hedge]

So only ilvl changed? So it's still slightly worse at 639?

[balmy condor]

basically currency for doing anything

and I'm guessing if it's like 10.0.7 you can buy random gem from vendor

using the currency

but I can't actually see anything about it

no vendor with specific gems though

[balmy condor]

well yes

but you get it for free at higher ilvl

like you do the quests and it's gonna be 658

so it's just better now

[storm hedge]

I thought that's timegated.

[worldly sail]

good thing i didn't bother farming m+ vaults for a 639 ring would have been annoying to replace that

[balmy condor]

yes, it starts at 639 and then upgrades every week

[storm hedge]

Tbh I didn't read anything about the ring or the new content, was going to skip it until these news.

Oh ok thanks

[waxen thunder]

So ilevel is weekly, ability to get gems is farmable, correct?

[west crown]

@balmy condor Sorry for the ping, can’t reach a sim atm. Does the sim support the new ring right now?

[novel star]

if u don’t want to play the game anyway you can still just wait until week 6 and blast it all out at once

lole

but if ur actively playing u gotta do it weekly yea

[balmy condor]

repin for number

[balmy condor]

yes but only in custom

support for the ring will come with the patch I assume

[ornate dawn]

I can’t wait for the next instalment of the ring pins, number 5 gonna be good

[balmy condor]

the gems very quickly fall off a cliff atm

like this is ST

you have zap, mastery, highest stat

or 150% or all stat

those are like the "good" 5 gems

and everything else very very quickly just is dogshit bad

[raven egret]

Blizz: I heard you wnted mastery with your mastery

probably

[royal lantern]

just wanna wish you a good night even thought all the questions will come now

[balmy condor]

it's even worse balance wise in m+ cause the zap thing is on a random target

so you can just forget that one

so outside of the 3-5ish decent gems

the ring is just unusable

until blizzard decides to tune it

which they should've done

at any point in the last 2 months of ptr

but didn't

cause PTR these days is just half-finished work

and then they scramble to release it

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

instead of like

putting things on PTR

that can be tested

and then improving it

which is what it should be

[coral ibex]

holy moly they did the thing they didn't wanna do

wtf

fuck this stupid ass ring

[storm hedge]

Is the mastery snapshotting on the ring still a thing? How nerdy can you go and how nerdy should you go witt the snapshotting

[royal lantern]

the PTR?

Kultirans have no sound on multiple melee attack animations since they exist btw

[balmy condor]

11th hour monday night tuning dude lets fucking go

[raven egret]

seems like they are desperate for us to visit that new shiny island with dailies and weeklies they made

[balmy condor]

it is still a thing but it isn't really abuseable

it's just a really dumb feature of the gem

[west crown]

Appreciate it 👍

[storm hedge]

May your mental stay recovered mister. Thanks

[slate crown]

MASSIVE

RING

BUFFS

[balmy condor]

nah

we are not recovered mental

we are in hater arc

fuck this ring

[slate crown]

Asaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[spice spire]

Welcome home king

[storm hedge]

Im going to bed. Ring doesnt exist here in the EU for like 1.5 more days anyways so nothing to worry about for now.

[balmy condor]

if you want to know how to snapshot

the "abuseable" way

is you have everyone pop a potion before combat to snapshot the ring

and then wait 5 minutes

for pots to come back up

and then you pull

and you do that, every pull

[fallow canopy]

so cursed af

[royal lantern]

average chinese 100parse strats

[balmy condor]

With the fathomdwellers runed citrine in the ring, any time you zone, ressurrect, or change gear it recalcualtes the damage and stat values provided by the ring. it does not dynamically update.

so, since they scale off mastery with fathomdwellers, you can crank the living hell out of your mastery with stuff like food, alchemical chaos (wait for it to roll to mastery), pop a combat pot, use a mastery trinket, etc. then re-equip the ring, and magically, you have an absolutely massive boost

quote from taeznak

who's doing gem implementation in sims

[spice spire]

What the fuck

[coral ibex]

mickey mouse devs

[royal lantern]

they sue somebody?

[coral ibex]

no just deeply unserious

[slate crown]

Damn so glad I’m not doing competitive content

I would die

[marble hemlock]

so youre saying between pulls i need to equip my mastery gear, proc my mastery flask, and then die to prepulling the boss, to get resurrected with the max mastery possible, and then go back to my actual gear i want to use? got it.

letting my raidleader know as we speak.

[balmy condor]

yeh or you could just unequip and re-equip the ring

but I understand the desire to kill yourself

in game

[marble hemlock]

i like that you picked up on that.

[raven egret]

yeah the only thought pattern really was "how can we get them to play on that boring ass island every week". Got to figure out which ring of mine I drop for this new one

[marble hemlock]

i dont midn the ring being bis

i dont even mind it conitnuing being bis going into s2

but why is this a change that happens less than 24hrs before patch

when the lack of power of the ring was known for months

[fallow canopy]

surely that will get fixed ||on the next race to wf||

[raven egret]

I'm mostly bothered cause I really hate that island of boredom tbh

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/4TBZGpr.jpeg

you can set your clock to this at this point

cuz you know its gonna happen

[raven egret]

Did you jinx it, or just forseen the future

[marble hemlock]

i mean, this is how its been for every rental power item in the last 2-3 years

and its annoying as fuck because guide writing deadlines and other responsibilities dont have time to wait for the lastminute hotfix that blizz will inevitably do to items that have been in a broken state (one direction or the other) for weeks on end

[raven egret]

sigh... well for all intents and purpose we want to make sure we have mastery highest for the ring right.... I don,t want to think about having to use that fckin thing as much as I can

[nimble tartan]

as much as i feel for you guys

i am glad its just gonna be good

love gettin strong

[velvet temple]

can u immune the pull from queen with cloak or the first second of cloak?

[nimble tartan]

see u in the isles

[marble hemlock]

you cant immune the pull, no

but you can run into the goop and stand there with cloak

and then just shadowstep

[raven egret]

that super fun isles -_-

[nimble tartan]

Could be fun bro idk anything about it

ill see you there on tuesday

[waxen thunder]

Doing all that pre pull sounds like my 13th reason

[raven egret]

Do you like doing random ass weeklies and daylies? If so you'll love it.

[nimble tartan]

ya

[humble verge]

ok

does anyone here actually have a good WA or something

for siege last boss dot

the timer

just never lines up

when i pre-feint

he always does the fucking area splash shit

and then like 10 seconds after its dot

[raven egret]

.. wut?

[west crown]

There definitely is one, no idea how to get it though

[humble verge]

this fat cock

[humble verge]

if you didnt get it

[west crown]

You just need a spell timer

[raven egret]

yeah I just dont understand what the issue is

[west crown]

Trying to not die to weird boss damage mechanic

[humble verge]

yeah but

the timer just doenst line up

as to when the spell actually is supposed cast

this WA has it

but it just feels off

its the TWW Dungeons one

[west crown]

Well do you feint before that timer expires and still die?

[humble verge]

yes

im still down to like

50k hp lmao

SOMETIMES

it works

but idk

we timed the key by 1 second

but i died twice

well once atleast to slam cause i already used feint for the first slam on pull

• the first putrid

2nd to dot

[west crown]

Seems like a Varas question then

[humble verge]

but damn

the two other dps went straight into the healer

cause of slow dispells

xd

could contribute my 2nd death to that tho

[spice surge]

Yes the boss sometimes just delays it by a second or so depending on exact spell queuing

[humble verge]

yeah the spell queue is FUCKING me over everytime tho

[spice surge]

But as long as you feint when bigwigs countdown hits 0 its fine

[humble verge]

i dont have bigwigs

😭

honestly

[spice surge]

Cus feint is 6s long

[humble verge]

i think maybe i should

just uninstall dbm for bigwigs

[spice surge]

I mean a WA timer would do the same thing

[humble verge]

still dont feel like it

[spice surge]

But ye something would be good

[oak eagle]

I assume the gem accquisition will be the same as the one from Forbidden Reach, where its just RNG, or do we know nothing on how to obtain them

[dawn heath]

is it possible to make certain mobs have larger nameplates?

[fresh kelp]

idk about larger but certainly can shrink all the others

causese's dungeon pack (i think) has a plater mod included now that does it

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

talked about it a little further up

but tldr is idk probably the same

where you kill stuff

and then vendor currency random gems

[dawn heath]

i had like the largest choke in the century the other day

[balmy condor]

but can't find any vendor for it

[oak eagle]

aight

[dawn heath]

and i fucking hate my nameplate since

[balmy condor]

yes btw

[oak eagle]

i figured it was probably gonna be the same, but you never know fully with blizzard

cause ya know

small indie company

[dawn heath]

im trying to target the second golem in the first pull in stonevault but LEGIT i cannot target it

[humble verge]

@balmy condor when are you guys getting reset, is it 6pm PST?

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/jibrrmOa6ZrdZuSzK?invite=cr-MSxrdUIsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

[balmy condor]

3pm pst

[oak eagle]

supposed to be 3pst but knowing blizzard

it probably wont be till like 5

or they turn the servers on hours early

theres no in between

[humble verge]

lucky sunovabish with a team

[humble verge]

ite

ah

great i dont need to craft a ring next week then

but like

why couldnt this ring be atleast viable in s2

past heroic raid

[dawn heath]

so there's like a bunch of custom id mobs i've marked with a certain color on my nameplates i would like those mobs to have a larger nameplate

i am just too dumb to figure out how to do so if its even possible

all these mobs with this this color

[split veldt]

are these numbers off 639 or 658?

[humble verge]

probably off 639

as of now

[west crown]

Nah 20 ilvls is only 15k dps

For sure

[humble verge]

: d

[novel star]

no

the new numbers are the new ilvl

old numbers (equal for ds) were 639

[humble verge]

a

ok

[west crown]

Ring is doo doo

[novel star]

no changes happened between old numbers and new numbers other than ilvl

[novel star]

1% better than anything else is still worth getting

[balmy condor]

658 on the special ring

[coral ibex]

lmaoooooooooooooooooo

[west crown]

What are the stats on the ring? Or no stats and just the gems

[coral ibex]

1% after 6 weeks at 658

[balmy condor]

stamina

and the gems

[coral ibex]

suck me from the back blizz

[west crown]

And possibly not having the bis gem setup until a few weeks has passed means it’s unusable until then anyway

[bright cipher]

nuts right

[normal mist]

I still have a 619 (I'm 628 overall) so it will be a nice little boost

[tall jay]

So note to self…get ring, get presents from tree, drink spiked eggnog, and wear ring till ring drops off first boss heroic season 2 got it 🙂

[slate crown]

I’m ready to wait for 8 hours to get in

[tall jay]

Don’t for get the 4 hrs extended maintenance patch

[slate crown]

Oh tomorrow we probably get resourcefulness from bountiful seasons finally

[dawn heath]

u know how to make certain mobs bigger or smaller in plater?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1318384664892932137/image.png?ex=676220e6&is=6760cf66&hm=abb378076f26755658404ca94df84a964847fdfda542f5bf3a41446d72540492&

like i would like to make all these mobs bigger

that i have in dodgerblue color

[solar wyvern]

Iirc theres a second plater addon for that, or maybe it was a script?

Im not at home tho can't check

[soft surge]

are the new ring sims ready yet

[dawn heath]

i have no idea

[normal mist]

[balmy condor]

yesn't

[soft surge]

are two of our bis gems still from an unknown source

[balmy condor]

they are in sims but not on normal raidbots and not on the live database of raidbots and also needs advanced code

yes but it's assumed you just farm rares and turn the currency into a vendor

[soft surge]

will this be possible on day 1

[balmy condor]

I'm dming you a mod

[dawn heath]

tyvm

[soft surge]

if its all truly warband maybe i should just speed through it all on my dh

[normal mist]

Keep in mind the ring will need 6 weeks to reach maximum value afaik

[balmy condor]

no

ring starts at 639, upgrading every week with a short questline

max at 658 on the last quest week 6

[soft surge]

i suppose all sources will be discovered within a few hours

[balmy condor]

you should have all the gems by then, but the ring most likely won't be better until at least week 2

[bronze pike]

Whisper

Did u see

Did u see

The ring is gigA buff

[pliant remnant]

No, he had no idea

[gray hazel]

Time to see if the new ring is better than a 639 Haste/mast ring, or the heroic queen ring

[west crown]

Oh shit ma! New Whispyr name just dropped

[novel star]

one day he’s gonna go back to just being whispyr

and i wont know how 2 feel

[lethal arrow]

Hope it beats my 626 umbriss

[lean plover]

Whispyr the whispyr

[balmy condor]

it should on day 1 with correct gems

[next vapor]

rerun the ring with legendary skippers over windsinger

xoxo

its 228646

[balmy condor]

is that what you fucked

[next vapor]

:)

[balmy condor]

I hate you

[next vapor]

u might go up over a percent

[bronze pike]

Hehe

[tawdry halo]

Praise be to John Blizzard, patron saint of screwing with whispyr

[austere bramble]

does it being better for fatebound make fatebound a better pick in raid??

[tawdry halo]

I'm guessing the answer will be yes for pure ST, and no for any sort of cleave / adds / etc

[arctic hare]

!palter

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

it already is

it's better on sikran/kyveza

fatebound just sucks in aoe

[uneven plume]

How do the rings look for M+ ST in general

[balmy condor]

so anything with cleave is deathstalker

[balmy condor]

pins

[uneven plume]

thats pretty good

are the Sims updated?

[balmy condor]

it is an insanely strong ring yes

[uneven plume]

can we sim right away tomorrow?

[balmy condor]

dunno

depends on how raidbots implements it into their UI

but it is simmable with PTR and advanced atm

[uneven plume]

kk ill check it out

[balmy condor]

I mean I'm gonna be real king

until you get the 3 good gems

you don't think about equipping it

and when you have the 3 good gems

you equip it

there's no simming involved with this

[uneven plume]

alright

[balmy condor]

also blizzard will inevitably fix some of the gems

and buff a bunch more

like half of them are bugged, and the other half is terrible

[glad ferry]

Can I get all my gems day 1 ? Seems like WoWhead doesn't know where to get half these gems from lkl

Lol*

[balmy condor]

no one knows

we don't know where the gems come from

it's assumed that the currency we get from rares/chests are going to be used at a vendor for random gems

like they were in 10.0.7

[bright tartan]

Ring

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-do-not-do-not-cat-dangerous-individual-man-dancing-while-cat-threatens-your-family-gif-26522356

[lament bolt]

Would be nice if they could be a targeted buy since they made them warbound until equipped. Buying a bunch of lottery tickets to gear alts doesn't sound very pleasing

[balmy condor]

I mean we don't even know if that's how it works

that's just the assumption

we know that some of them are targetted from rares or quest rewards

there's no npc that sells them atm

idk

patch sucks

[bright tartan]

surely we are getting something big in s2 right?

[balmy condor]

yeah a new raid and a new dungeon and you get to drive a car

[lament bolt]

Huh, so they said they want to let players spend flame blessed iron to purchase gems and send them to alts with a change that's now testable on the PTR, but they didn't bother to put the gems on a vendor? That sounds about right

[glad ferry]

And rly unfun M+ dungeons

[tawdry halo]

Everyone's talking about darkflame cleft as being bad

and they're right

but the sleeper is Priory with the consecrate that you can't actually see on the ground

[bright tartan]

nah they will learn from mistakes and hotfix everything week 2

[tawdry halo]

[slate crown]

Maybe 11.1 will be better

[lethal arrow]

is it time to replace ascendance for double 639 regicide

[balmy condor]

What

Why would you do that

You’re like the 5th person I’ve seen wanting to replace an embellishment with a 639 dagger

Who said dumb shit

Where are we getting this idea

[winged sun]

[balmy condor]

It’s every patch in here man

Some streamer says some cooked shit

And then all of a sudden there’s like a wave of people asking a braindead question

[winged sun]

Im playing 2x dawnthread and i killed queen mythic with it

Surely thats the only way right

Embellishments barely mean shit

[balmy condor]

I mean that’s fine too

[winged sun]

People need to just press their buttons

Also cooked stuff is wild

[balmy condor]

You either play 2x dawn thread or you play ascend + patch

And it’s equal

[winged sun]

Yea

I mean im only playing dawn for keys

Its crazy in keys u can get 85-90% uptime

Sometimes

Priest is op

[waxen oyster]

Why do people even hype up

regicide

i feel a crit mast dag would be better

[coral ibex]

639

pretty sure you can only get a crit mast 639 via m+ vault

which is turbo low value to get from the vault

[waxen oyster]

myth regicide is harder

than myth kukri

tbh

[coral ibex]

i dont know what "harder" means

[waxen oyster]

Harder to get ig

[coral ibex]

i dont think so

[waxen oyster]

easier to do m bloodbound

[coral ibex]

oh than kukri yea

[vestal geyser]

are we supposed to use our clear the witness procs in ST when not talented into vicious venoms always, or just in the opener?

[blazing pumice]

always

[slate crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014354006270808144/1238284934330843196/WhispyrFeels.gif

[subtle tundra]

🥺

lets explore each other's bodies

[slate crown]

Excuse me this is assa chat not my DMs

[subtle tundra]

whats the difference?

[slate crown]

Here I can use ravenholdt emotes and in my DMs I cannot

[modest ginkgo]

is it possible to check on logs average cp spent on envenom?

[rotund oak]

this means u get stuff like that in ur DMs?

[subtle tundra]

i do

my boyfriends spoil me

[rotund oak]

a nice question,idk personally but whats the point behind it?

[rotund oak]

i never spoil anyone but u dismiss my heart and it hurts

[modest ginkgo]

im comparing two logs and one has significantly high DPE on envenom

[subtle tundra]

ill jack off while thinking about you

[modest ginkgo]

like one has 2mil per envenom and 2.6mil on another

[rotund oak]

there are many factors,like trinkets procs and amps n stuff

did u check the quantity first?

in a comperative way ofc

[modest ginkgo]

well quantity shouldnt matter damage per cast right im only comparing damage per cast

[golden loom]

also if u are running different talents, for example if 1 is running forced induction

[rotund oak]

hmm

there are many factors,bro has a point as well^^

[modest ginkgo]

yeah ik just asking if it was possible since average cp spent can make different

[rotund oak]

we cant rly theorize that way,maybe,might not

would be much easier if we could see logs

[novel star]

why does a message like this that is objectively correct get a thumbs down reaction

i really truly don’t like it here man

[coral ibex]

there are some creatures here man

[subtle tundra]

WOOF

WOOF

[hollow river]

Someone could play incorrectly and cast less envenoms with higher combo points

So it can kinda matter

Lots of factors tho ye

[rotund oak]

thx for pointing that out

[subtle tundra]

meow

[balmy condor]

Next ring balancing pin will be nothing but woofs and barks

[rotund oak]

Our greatest fears came to life

ring farming

1 month and a half

and legit i dont wanna ditch my rings,both are very strong

[subtle tundra]

i have perfect rings

😦

[golden loom]

the greatest fear of any wow player... playing the game

[subtle tundra]

my favorite part of df and tww is how optional doing random shit is

the ring is not optional...

[runic hinge]

Not anymore

[subtle tundra]

still have

ring aint out rn

[royal lantern]

its a short weekly quest

jfc

you guys act as if you "have" farm a rep for months 24/7

its literally a short quest 1x a week

[rotund oak]

ive played one reset in beta ik whats about,its the cringe-no-flying around,step by step unlocking them bonuses etc

its boring

[final star]

That's fine, I am in Japan currently and it's seen as honourable here

[rotund oak]

is everyone as short as they say?

[final star]

Yes

[rotund oak]

my cousin said the average is like 1.65m

[final star]

I feel tall and I'm 6ft

[rotund oak]

lol so its true

[final star]

And chairs are lower

On average

[vast patio]

Is there a way to target the ring gems or is it the same deal as in df

[rotund oak]

wait how much is 6Ft

hold on

thats exactly how tall i am about 1.82m

[final star]

Yes 183ish

[subtle tundra]

me too

wow!

we are perfect kissing height

😼

[rotund oak]

we are compatible yes

😂

[final star]

[runic hinge]

Same!

[final star]

Gosh, we're so good at seeing over crowds in Japan

[royal lantern]

irl dwarfs

[pure moth]

How do u find the chart in logs to show usage of dps pots?

[rotund oak]

im very fine with my height tbh,also my weight

[balmy condor]

Should be under table->casts

[pure moth]

yeah found it right after i asked

[balmy condor]

Funny how that always works

[pure moth]

yup

[balmy condor]

I do the same

[clever sapphire]

well my mind wandered somewhere else when i read "should be under table"

[balmy condor]

Look at documentation for 15 min can’t find it

Ask someone

Find it instantly

Every time

[mellow swift]

!ring

[pure moth]

pins

[mellow swift]

ty

[weary spear]

How do I find the page in logs that shows timeline of my abilities cast to analyze rotation and mistakes?

[hollow river]

timeline

[midnight mist]

@balmy condor what does this mean

[balmy condor]

Saeldur and Taeznak have been cooking all the gem interactions on sims

And they were cooking today on some heinous shit

And so legendary, the “proc random gem” one

Now properly estimates the effect of the “trigger gem of 4 nearby allies”

And it is properly disgusting