assassination

[subtle tundra]

finger ansurek...

spidussy

[keen spruce]

and that tiny upgrade is without swapping out the neck

[sharp viper]

just mutilate/blindside procs

[balmy condor]

some guy said that some guy said that some guy said that he heard that some guy said that one of the top players mentioned one time that someone told them that sac sucks

[keen spruce]

so it's probably a little better

[balmy condor]

and so now it sucks

[keen spruce]

if you make a neck

[keen spruce]

it was me

I'm the guy

[dawn heath]

yeah i cant make it this week though sadly

[keen spruce]

(not hte top player)

[subtle tundra]

paladin gets a HOOK?

[rare swift]

so is it better to fan of knives in AOE or to mutilate?

[keen spruce]

the shmeat hook

[coral ibex]

fan in aoe

[balmy condor]

you have to maintain caustic

[coral ibex]

but you need to apply caustic

[balmy condor]

so you mut every 10 seconds to uptime the buff

[subtle tundra]

youre blocked

[balmy condor]

your generator is fok though

[subtle tundra]

unlucky

[sharp viper]

just get ovinax egg and enjoy 27-31 stacks of buffs

[keen spruce]

keep your eggs away from me

[balmy condor]

wish I got the shmeep hook

[prisma scaffold]

Hi guys when do i take subterfuge and double vanish over supercharger in m plus?

[keen spruce]

I'm saving myself for marraige

[balmy condor]

when you feel like it

[subtle tundra]

yea but i swear to god i sometimes see 30 stacks and just cant be arsed to start moving ADADADADAD

so fucking nanoying

[keen spruce]

for you, anything

[rotund oak]

did u ask marriage

[prisma scaffold]

I am very new to assa rogue does either build have any strong points over the other? Sorry for the dumb question

[sharp viper]

yeah I cba to manage it in m+

[runic crescent]

Is there any kind of list of cloakable M+ mechanics somewhere? I'm interested in general, but specifically curious about last boss in city of echoes

[keen spruce]

little bit of ST vs AoE they all basically do the same thing

and are within a couple % of eachother

[subtle tundra]

monk got the POLE CRANK

[keen spruce]

pick whatever makes you moist

[balmy condor]

double vanish lets you be a little more loose with your iron wires, otherwise not really

[balmy condor]

no

[subtle tundra]

i actually dont know if i should take back or ring on monkerman

[sharp viper]

I'll pick you

[keen spruce]

[runic crescent]

No there's no list, or no you can't cloak the big bada boom?

[balmy condor]

no there's no list

you can cloak the big boom

[keen spruce]

u can pre-cloak the poison application

so it fizzles

and the boom

ig u can late cloak the poisons too

but it'll coom everywhere like a normal dispell

[subtle tundra]

i put the loot spec on sub for one time and i get this banger fucking vault

[sharp viper]

ring

[rotund oak]

huge ring

ild still take skadryns

[balmy condor]

gratz on cloak

[rotund oak]

coz i dont hav eone

[balmy condor]

(very rare)

[subtle tundra]

i have the cloak babe

and the skardyn

[balmy condor]

but it's very rare......

[sharp viper]

skill issue probably

[winged sun]

Thats one hell of a vault

[subtle tundra]

2x very rare > 1x very rare tbh

[rotund oak]

[winged sun]

I got skardyn’s 4 times in vault now

[balmy condor]

you like my vault?

[winged sun]

[subtle tundra]

its very rare

[balmy condor]

very rare

[runic hinge]

You’re so juiced

[sharp viper]

that's a lot of haste

[rotund oak]

i like ur hair

[balmy condor]

ty

[balmy condor]

oh you think that's a lot of haste?

buddy

[sharp viper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[balmy condor]

I am the haste man

[runic hinge]

Do you have new hair? I’ve been missing t the streams

[balmy condor]

I do not

[subtle tundra]

yea im full bis now if i consider brood egg as my bis

[balmy condor]

I AM HASTE MAN

[runic hinge]

That’s hot

[balmy condor]

I AM ZOOM

[runic hinge]

Woah you’re so fast

[sharp viper]

no +speed enchant on boots, you're not zoom

[balmy condor]

yeah my energy feels incredible with my uh

how much haste do I have

hold on

[sharp viper]

@balmy condor this is your haste gear

[snow kindle]

Love me some haste

[balmy condor]

my uhhhh

18% haste

I only have 6.8k crit? wow that sucks

[subtle tundra]

wtf

get better gear holy shit

[snow kindle]

What’s the other ring

[subtle tundra]

ansurek mythic surely

he is him obviously

[sharp viper]

probably bloodbound horror ring for more haste

[balmy condor]

[snow kindle]

[balmy condor]

I just found a 639 chest

literally last week

court proggin with a hero chest

even with ovi'nax rekill every week

it's actually dumb

[sharp viper]

once you kill queen you can get your haste chest

[waxen oyster]

transmitter 15k gain over hc skardyn

myth skar 10k

[subtle tundra]

yeas

👍

[balmy condor]

varas what do I do

[waxen oyster]

granted i have neither

[subtle tundra]

cry?

[waxen oyster]

cata your boots

[balmy condor]

yeh

[waxen oyster]

[balmy condor]

omw to cata now

[sharp viper]

he can't lose haste

[balmy condor]

I do not have upgrades left man

[waxen oyster]

I have 14k crit

[balmy condor]

I just have a fuck ton of haste

[subtle tundra]

me neither...

[balmy condor]

for no good reason

[waxen oyster]

sim still says to play spyglass

[balmy condor]

but sims don't care

[cedar hare]

How do i sim tinker gems? And are they a embalishment?

[balmy condor]

I have 12k haste

[waxen oyster]

[balmy condor]

we are not the same

[sharp viper]

do you care?

[waxen oyster]

nah whispyr

[balmy condor]

nah idc either

[sharp viper]

[waxen oyster]

12k haste

makes your energy smooth

thats what discord randoms say

[balmy condor]

yeah yeah

for sure

[cedar hare]

How

[balmy condor]

tf even are tinker gems

[cedar hare]

Refurbished Tinker: Shadowflame Rockets

[balmy condor]

is that like some dogshit engineering thing

[sharp viper]

yes

[balmy condor]

neat

[cedar hare]

I want to use that with the ocercloxked idea generator

[waxen oyster]

Why

[cedar hare]

Overclocked

[balmy condor]

idk what any of those words are

but sounds cool

go do it idk

[cedar hare]

I cant find the gems to sim

[balmy condor]

why are you simming it

it's not worth having over 639 gear

[cedar hare]

I qant to try it. Saw some good sims with it. And i wanted to spicy it up

[balmy condor]

like if you want to wear your cool engi gear go for it

[cedar hare]

Im capped on gear so

[balmy condor]

but it's not good

so whats the point

[cedar hare]

Wanted to see what to use gilded on

[subtle tundra]

im overcocked

[waxen oyster]

Probably another ring

if rng isnt good

[sharp viper]

oh right, gilded shackles are OFF

[runic hinge]

[rotund oak]

[spice spire]

Sup

[cedar hare]

Yea and nothing to use it on. Ilvl 637

[waxen oyster]

vault waiting room

[sharp viper]

@balmy condorwhats your 2x envenom uptime with that much haste

[cedar hare]

So wanted to test overclocked idea generator: Shadowflame Rockets

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure it shares cd with dps pot

[balmy condor]

just as high as anything else i guess

this is the profile from the pins btw

so like

secondaries kekw

[runic hinge]

At one point I had a ton of haste and the sim still wanted mastery haste gems. It was sick. I was cruising. (Envenom uptime was the same)

[waxen oyster]

whispyr needs an ansurek ring

[balmy condor]

I need a better game to play bro

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[balmy condor]

wow is lowkey cooked

[runic hinge]

Is d4 good?

[waxen oyster]

also real

[balmy condor]

d4 is pretty good

[subtle tundra]

why is it mean?

be nice

[waxen oyster]

at least you reclearing

[balmy condor]

we extend now

I think

[waxen oyster]

and not extend jail

[balmy condor]

we extended today for court

I think it's extend pov for ansurek too

just finish tier and then rebuild roster

[subtle tundra]

ofc it is

ansurek is easier

[cedar hare]

The tinker gem?

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[subtle tundra]

kick all the pissers!

[waxen oyster]

idk engy sucks

[balmy condor]

engi indeed does suck

[sharp viper]

I read court got nerfed

[cedar hare]

I want it to be good

[balmy condor]

yeah court is insano nerfed

[subtle tundra]

i think

[sharp viper]

no clue how impactful those nerfs were, we're still on kyveza

[subtle tundra]

i will have to kill court

of monk

[balmy condor]

next expac

[balmy condor]

surely

[subtle tundra]

❌

[balmy condor]

very

[waxen oyster]

eww monk

[subtle tundra]

mods

ban him

windwankers are allies

ass mans and wind wankers

[sharp viper]

they are green rogues

[waxen oyster]

are they rogues in the sense

they also get 0 dev attention

[cyan ember]

can someone help me with what i need to craft? i have 2 mythic track weapons and was curious what would be best to craft

[sharp viper]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

fuck he beat me to it

[sharp viper]

too slow, old man

[slate crown]

Lmk when you find one

[cyan ember]

i have mythic on my wrist and belt as well

seandoeboomn - tichondrius or can i link my armory?

[rotund oak]

im buying poe 2,the key i was ''promised'' was just yapping

[balmy condor]

the mushroom, it calls to me

[subtle tundra]

The spec is fun, just kinda does low dmg

Even after buffs

[balmy condor]

I mean you will want 2 embellishments somewhere

they're better than myth track

[cyan ember]

gotcha

[balmy condor]

like a 636 offhand with ascension is bis in single target

they're around 1% better

[cyan ember]

okay thank you i didnt know that

[balmy condor]

👍

[sharp viper]

#assassination message there's also this

[waxen oyster]

nah just sim 100% dawnthread

[cyan ember]

interestin ok

[waxen oyster]

realistic scenario trust

[runic hinge]

I sim 99% cause I’m my healers favorite

I get a little trouble and I get cacoon and gs

[sharp viper]

just yell at the healer if your dawnthread ever drops

[runic hinge]

And I say “wee I got wings” and my raid hates me a little more

[waxen oyster]

put that on your note

as why you deserve first prio on rash cloak

[sharp viper]

you got an army of mistweaver monks following you around and rotating cocoons on you?

[runic hinge]

We had 3 last week idk

Our priest didn’t raid tho she has law school or some dumb shit

[sharp viper]

i'll take that as a yes

[waxen oyster]

in all fairness is rogue even that tanky nowadays

Unless you know a big feintable hit is coming

[subtle tundra]

yea you feint every mechanic while in st so your dogshit dps suffers even more

and the moment you dont feint something, healer thinks youre fine and you die

👍

(this is a high key problem, not a +13 thing)

[midnight mist]

is this shit bugged or

5th time i get it in vault

not even capping

[winged gust]

can i have it

[winged gust]

im struggling to get this in vault how

[midnight mist]

i mean man

its eating my slots every week

im tired boss

[waxen oyster]

idk i think healers overestimate how tanky rogue is atm

and literally dont pay attention to your hp

[midnight mist]

oh i got it on dh aswell

surely not bugged

[waxen oyster]

do you raid on dh zac

havoc keys sounds like

[midnight mist]

alt raid ye

[waxen oyster]

monka

[storm hedge]

Got the Ovi egg in the vault. I assume we want to stay at 20 agi stacks and 10 mastery stacks is that right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[waxen oyster]

How does enhance even live higher keys

Isn't that class toilet paper historically?

[median root]

an aug sucks them off all key

[sharp viper]

^

[rotund oak]

yeah they kinda are,even in pvp they die like btch@@s

[waxen oyster]

So we're back to aug is the problem

[limber lion]

I wish someone

Nevermind

[rotund oak]

aug is always the problem

[subtle tundra]

wish i got it on monk...

[waxen oyster]

only enhance pvp stream i've seen was saul's

and their team just runs

until they have doomwinds lust goes

[runic hinge]

@spice spire help this man out

[rotund oak]

yup pretty much the only condistion to overpower stuff,if they get traded with defs they cant kill anything pretty much

[waxen oyster]

that comp has spooky 1min burst

ww enh

[rotund oak]

very spooky yeah

[icy osprey]

the one time I dont do my weeklies

[subtle tundra]

i want to get bludgeoned to death

[icy osprey]

🙃

[waxen oyster]

though i love dps dk players

talking about tanking boss melee swings

as if its the most normal thing in the world

[unreal imp]

Does anyone know if I was enough of a gamer to use focus target rupture macros if that would drop spyglass stacks on Silken Court?

Might be more pain than worth though.

[mild rock]

anyone use transmitter for m+

[sharp viper]

why would that even drop stacks?

[tawny pagoda]

sometimes i do but its annoying 😄

[mild rock]

how do u use it with timings

since its 1:30

[tawny pagoda]

just keep it into DM, there isnt any other way i guess

[mild rock]

so not worth to pop without DM?

[pliant remnant]

[tawny pagoda]

ye i think its not

[waxen oyster]

the whole reason cd trinkets are good is to stack them with other cds

[midnight mist]

You have tons of external with prot pal, priest, Aug

I don't even think enhance is the one struggling in that comp

[mild rock]

what about transmitter for raid?

thoughts?

[midnight mist]

Most often we send externals on priest or Aug

[clever sapphire]

@keen spruce so i did not get mog, but i got a speedy egg i guess?

[waxen oyster]

i mean your other dps is a dk

who is kinda just

payphoning

through every hit

[subtle tundra]

rescue is so op

external and personal at the same time

[keen spruce]

so you were only a little naughty then

[clever sapphire]

a little bit (though i already had a 639 dawn crystal thingy )

[midnight mist]

My other DPS is a rogue cuh

It's me

[waxen oyster]

oh rough

[midnight mist]

Ye

[waxen oyster]

weird rogue we live in

where enh is the tankier spec

[midnight mist]

I didn't say enhance was tankier than rogue wdym

I just said usually our enhance is fine

And we have externals for priest or Aug

[dapper marsh]

Enh players are super babied by everyone, comp is legit built around keeping them alive

If they tried existing on their own they would just run out of buttons

[runic hinge]

I tried existing on my own and it sucked

I don't blame them

[dapper marsh]

At least we have elusiveness at minimum for every mech

[runic hinge]

I just meant I’m co-dependent

[crisp wharf]

Anyone know if the new ring from 11.0.7 at ilvl 639 will be better than a crafted 636?

[runic hinge]

Check pins

[crisp wharf]

Oh sorry, thanks!

[dapper marsh]

Aren't we all

[runic hinge]

you're welcome! Just helping

[waxen oyster]

seems the overtuned spec of a season

is always babied

[dapper marsh]

The nerfs to spenders were funny

Cuz they were just miles ahead

Now they're like 1 less mile ahead but still miles ahead

[waxen oyster]

barely nerfed totemic

tbh

[dapper marsh]

Yeah, totemic bursting upwards of 6 mill in raid, meanwhile I can't see the arcane mage in the top 5 dps

[waxen oyster]

See when you win the casino on enh

it feels REALLY good

some specs just feel playable

[dapper marsh]

Enh players are also all exploiting that tempest can be banked too

[waxen oyster]

my friend describing lowrolling on outlaw

"sandpaper on asshole"

[dapper marsh]

Accurate

A dry crackshot window fucks you on so many levels

[waxen oyster]

yeah surprised they didnt touch banking tempest

when they were trying to tone down prepull shit

[dapper marsh]

It's okay, I'm abusing that supercharger can be banked the same way

Feels pretty good when your first rupture gets 3 more combo points for free on opener

[waxen oyster]

Yeah until you realize

You're outlaw in NW

oh as sin

[dapper marsh]

Can do it on sub too

Sin is mostly just helpful on raid

Just shiv before a reset on a bad pull

[waxen oyster]

How long does it last for again

[dapper marsh]

Forever

I think stacking past 2 points doesn't work though

Seems like my extra superchargers poof

But I can use 2 charged spenders

[waxen oyster]

true

at least its not sl deathly shadows prepull...

[dapper marsh]

On sub it's super chill cuz I just push symbols before pull timer starts

25 seconds is usually enough for people to res+timer

[waxen oyster]

usually yeah

[dapper marsh]

I guess for m+ you could use a free supercharger on a crimson tempest at the start

How much duration does it give per CP?

[waxen oyster]

assuming you're talented into it

[dapper marsh]

People don't run tempest?

[waxen oyster]

supercharger

[dapper marsh]

Oh gotcha

I wonder if you keep the buff after swapping talents

[waxen oyster]

somewhat doubt it

else people would keep a forced induction build

for everything

[dapper marsh]

Most buffs drop on swap

[waxen oyster]

yep

[crystal glen]

Your first finisher is normally rupture so would just extend the duration anyway

[dapper marsh]

There used to be a bug where you could prep a stasis on pres then switch to Aug and start the key

It would either time out and cast or you could cancel aura it

[waxen oyster]

extra supercharger benefits sub and otl more imo

considering they literally get cdr from it

[dapper marsh]

Ye

[midnight mist]

you can press cds as deathstalker

[dapper marsh]

I get through my third dance without an awkward rupture cast with the +12 seconds on the dot for sub

[midnight mist]

get the after cd buff 30% dot thing

and swap out of deathstalker

doesnt remove the buff for some reason

[dapper marsh]

Also +6 CP for flag buff

[dapper marsh]

That's sounds about right

[waxen oyster]

sounds like the amirdrassil thing

where you kept assa 2p

as outlaw

[dapper marsh]

Lol what

[midnight mist]

ye you can do that as sub and swap other specs aswell

altough its mostly just a sin thing anywya

[waxen oyster]

you were able to keep

the 12% attackspeed

or something was it

[dapper marsh]

Do you guys remember the trickster to fate bound swap on outlaw bug?

You could get +5 CP on every spender as outlaw

[waxen oyster]

Yeah the one that made them create the bruto

unlucky

[dapper marsh]

Wdym

[waxen oyster]

it was a joke

buy bruto to get unbanned

from exploiting

@midnight mist likely has it

[crystal glen]

Did the Keys timed with the exploit get removed btw? xD

[dapper marsh]

Yeah I know one of the rogues who got blasted on social media for that and afaik they never got banned even though they timed a world first key with the rogues exploiting.

[dapper marsh]

Some of them

Last I heard they removed the 16 but not some of the 15s, I heard they double check that at end of season though for title

[golden crane]

Hey guys, are we using authority of radiant power or depths on our weaps? IcyV and Wowhead have different opinions

[waxen oyster]

sim it

generally depths is better for shitty gear

[dapper marsh]

Depths PURE st, slight gain, radiant power works on all content

[waxen oyster]

if you have good gear radiant power generally wins even on st

[golden crane]

Great, cheers guys

[dapper marsh]

Also iirc depths requires longer fights to even work well

Didn't it stack or something

[waxen oyster]

its just rng

If you're like 635+ radiant will win even on st

[balmy condor]

You’re thinking of ascension

[waxen oyster]

for most people

[balmy condor]

The embellishment

Depths is the weapon enchant

[dapper marsh]

Gotcha

[waxen oyster]

nah whispyr just run dawnthread and hit healers with the kush special

"no i will not feint heal my character"

[balmy condor]

Real

[dapper marsh]

Btw isn't there a crafted piece that switches your dusk threads to dawn threads when equipped?

I feel like I saw something like that

[waxen oyster]

no?

[balmy condor]

What

[midnight mist]

not yet no

im waiting christmas

just in case they decide to put it on sale before removing it

[dapper marsh]

oh its cloth

weird piece

[leaden garden]

Hi! Whats the current state of asa? Thinking compared to other dps and for both m+ and raids. Some ppl say it's strong atm and some few told me it's one of the weaker speccs. Thought here would be best to ask. Thank you

[royal lantern]

strong

idk who can say assa is one of the weaker specs

[leaden garden]

For raids? M+? Both?

[balmy condor]

Both

It’s incredibly meta

Was played in mdi and race to world first

[midnight mist]

assa is prolly the best dps at doing dps right after enhance for m+

[royal lantern]

who is the best dps at not doing dps?

[leaden garden]

Oh awesome. Thank you all

[balmy condor]

Augmentallyr… nvm

[midnight mist]

well i meant like

you can be the best at doing dps

but not the best dps you know

like assa isnt as popular as it should be if we only looked at piure dps performance

[royal lantern]

well, its rogue

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[royal lantern]

ofc it isnt

[balmy condor]

Rogue popularity

Peepolaughing

No one wants to play this shit class

[midnight mist]

we had seasons where rogue was more popular than rn tho, rn people would rather play druid/dk as third dps

even tho rogue has prolly never been as good as now if we just look at pure dps performance

but there are other dps that are deemed close enough so people play them instead

[royal lantern]

bruh

[midnight mist]

i think its actually quite rare to not see as many rogues

[royal lantern]

we had a m+ meta that was 3x outlaw

[midnight mist]

since i started the gmae

[royal lantern]

[midnight mist]

sl

ok

[royal lantern]

ok

fair

[midnight mist]

dont bring up

old times

i wasnt there

[royal lantern]

you are excused french man

[midnight mist]

ty

[balmy condor]

Can’t wait to see my favorite building, the World Trade Center

[midnight mist]

[royal lantern]

tbh, a big part of that is probs

assa is strong in m+, really strong

but it kinda Balances itself out by having such bad boss dmg

[midnight mist]

believe it or not i was born before this event

[bronze pike]

get more visuals bro

that easy

[balmy condor]

flips coin

[bronze pike]

ig hammer goes bonk

or

pisslines

[royal lantern]

H A L O

[balmy condor]

1 uppies, or a coin that falls left for tails or right for heads

Make your pick

[royal lantern]

i like how Arcon says something like "channel Light/Void and become a Ultimate form of yourself"

Priest has a ability called Apotheosis

and then the entire "hero tree" is just: Halo is stronger

[balmy condor]

Based tbh

I mean could be worse

Both of our trees is just: Envenom is stronger

[midnight mist]

boomie does the same boss dps tho

[royal lantern]

envenom stronger and evasion is busted now

and envenom a bit less stronger with dmg proc if rng good

[midnight mist]

idk about dk

but ye

[balmy condor]

If you count the coin damage as envenom damage (which it basically is), they’re actually pretty much the same

[royal lantern]

i dont count the coinflips as anything

except as BS

[digital wind]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rare jackal]

"dot class"
look inside
envenom and auto attack dmg

[cold halo]

If you think about it envenom is dot damage since it comes out in ticks

You just decide when those happen

[nova python]

why is rogue considered shit class? i always thought rogue was ‘quite popular’ and liked class 😦

[balmy condor]

Rogue is miserable to level, so it’s the lowest population of max level characters out of all classes

[humble verge]

i cri erritiem

[balmy condor]

It’s also considered overly convoluted and needlessly complicated

Like ret paladin face rolls every shiny button that lights up off cooldown

Rogue you get knowledge gapped

[cold halo]

Fun to learn though

[balmy condor]

If you find that fun yeah

I mean you’re here

Most of the community just wants to log in and smash through their rep grind rares and brainlessly walk through a +4 with their mates

And rogue is not that

It’s never been that tbh

Rogue has been bottom 3 played classes for two decades now

It’s never gonna change

[humble verge]

does that make us special :3

[nova python]

sometimes when i read all that i think people forget what that kind of games are about, tbh sometimes the most fun i ever have is when i level (i don’t like leveling over and over dame quests etc but each expansion new levels i find it good) and see people are just trying to super min max leveling as well just to sit afk in town and complain? o don’t get it sometimes

[balmy condor]

It’s not about min maxing leveling

It’s about leveling not being painful

[short tangle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nova python]

yeah i understand but am i wrong about this: how can leveling retail be any painful?

[balmy condor]

Kill 15 mobs and you can’t pull more than 2 at a time or you die

Having a 10 button opener on every pack of mobs

Weird conditional stealth stuff that you don’t understand as a new rogue

Meld not being stealth

Action bars flip flopping

Poisons every hour

[cold halo]

Playing assa for the first time in df when IC was a button you pressed was wild

[balmy condor]

You press vanish cause the guide said it’s a dps cooldown and now the mobs are resetting

[cold halo]

Makes me curious how it was before DF

[balmy condor]

We just pressed gar gar gar before df

Imp gar was 3 seconds and we just tabbed them and then moved on with our lives rupturing stuff

[cold halo]

Was there no way to aoe it?

[balmy condor]

Yeah, you tabbed

That was your aoe

[cold halo]

Crazy gameplay

[balmy condor]

The gameplay I wish we had tbh

[balmy prism]

Don't say that

They're listening

[balmy condor]

Good

They should

Carnage is a mistake and so is caustic

[balmy prism]

Blasphemous

[cold halo]

Fan of knives and CT

[balmy prism]

Tbh I just play PoE 2 these days anyways so guess I don't really care

[balmy condor]

Caustic and carnage are required because the game has moved on and “aoe naturally from hitting 1 target” is the meta class design archetype

But it’s insane that as a dot and resource management spec, you do neither

[quiet oar]

How to fix AOE?
How about Blade Flurry?
Great Idea !

[runic hinge]

Game is too go go go now

Gotta go fast

Kill everything before it has a chance to cast

Every spell is a one shot

[balmy prism]

If it was the other way around we'd be complaining about how slow it is

[quiet oar]

It cant kill you, if you kill it first

[balmy condor]

I mean there’s a balance though

[cold halo]

Tempo can be dictated by many things

[balmy condor]

Not every spec needs blade flurry

[balmy prism]

Fair, I enjoyed warlock pacing in DF

You had time to set up properly as demo

[balmy condor]

there's something satisfying to me about juggling bleeds and making sure your energy doesn't drain

but carnage just automates the whole thing

and now the default is carnage

and people bitch when they don't get their stealths

instead of the other way around

carnage doesn't feel fun because it's literally assumed to be the baseline of the spec

it removes all energy

and it removes all multi-dotting

[balmy prism]

True hadn't considered it from that perspective

[balmy condor]

you literally just turn into a caustic bot

because this one talent

removes actually half your buttons

[cold halo]

So in other words

IC should be baseline

[balmy condor]

no

it shouldn't

[runic hinge]

No

[balmy condor]

IC is seen as the baseline currently and that's the fucking problem

cause instead of making multi-dotting the base and having that be fun and building on that, having IC stand out as a cool moment

you get people bitching and moaning the second they don't have carnage

[errant terrace]

nah man how is applying 5 bleeds on pull one by one more fun than having one button do it all? you do 5 ruptures and the pack is on half hp

its like shitty affliction then

[balmy condor]

how is applying 1 bleed to everything and spamming envenom fun?

[errant terrace]

you get to do your dam in less globals? sounds fun to me

[cold halo]

Can't be shittier then affli

😔

[balmy condor]

in this situation the damage is equal

it's not about the damage

[warm vortex]

Guys

It happened :(

First tokens this season

[balmy condor]

ocarina pog

[errant terrace]

if rupture was way more aggressive then id be fine multidotting...like a legion affliction but melee

[cold halo]

Blow into it

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-oot-zelda-oot-ocarina-of-time-dancing-gif-21026121

[stiff vine]

2 quick questions re H silken court, do i hold cd's for when anub does charge & damage buff or just sendy on pull? & do i maintain all bleeds on both bosses or tunnel 1

[warm vortex]

So
I tak oocarina over my mthic grace or

sac

Alright delketed my mythic grace

using the ocarina now

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, if carnage gets removed, bleeds would be buffed as a consequence out of necessity

I want my bleeds to feel impactful

what's the difference between CT and garrote

carnage makes my garrote hit everything anyway

[warm vortex]

Now.
what to socket hmmm
Prolly just smth like tierset head

[balmy condor]

just send it on heroic tbh

you want to maintain on both and cleave with caustic as much as possible

[bronze pike]

ive been told tho

that sin has eneergy issues

[runic hinge]

You just need more haste

[bronze pike]

also ya, shit like bladeflurry and mindlink that shadow priest has is just dogshit design

[runic hinge]

Surely more haste

[bronze pike]

gg you do st rotation and boom aoe

[runic hinge]

Will fix it

[bronze pike]

cuastic being a stronger bladeflurry is also bs

[balmy condor]

yeh, and fighting against the energy issues in aoe has been a long standing concept of the rotation, but hurrdurr me carnage me press gar gar rup rup GG drown in energy

sanguine could've been so good

[balmy condor]

but they left it to die

fuck man

[warm vortex]

Now i have an extra gem :3

[bronze pike]

they really did

[hollow river]

this is honestly one of my biggest gripes with the class that's left atm, from a game design standpoint and just annoyance. though we aren't the only ones still dealing with this kind of weird stuff (shaman weapon things etc).

[bronze pike]

cause people legit want to monkey brain keys

[balmy condor]

there's so much jank on rogues man

[bronze pike]

we can make the level experience of rogues better

[hollow river]

oh ik trust me

[balmy condor]

like why does cloak have a 1 second super immune?

[bronze pike]

but man simplying sin to what it is now is just dumb

[hollow river]

playing this class in pvp is fucking infuriating

[balmy condor]

why is our phys immune not actually a phys immune but a dodge

what is dodge

[runic hinge]

Making it not a cast time would be cool

[balmy condor]

why can I dodge this charge

but not that charge

[hollow river]

when i can log any other class and just beatdown everyone

[bronze pike]

dodge is so fucked

brew dodge fucked

vdh parry is fucked

[balmy condor]

like surely it wouldn't break the game to make evasion phys immunity and just make cloak the super immunity for the entire duration right

[hollow river]

off GCD would be cooler. same for shaman weapon things.

[bronze pike]

parry your kingsbane

[balmy condor]

what would break from that

[bronze pike]

rets would cry

[balmy condor]

rets can eat shit

[bronze pike]

that their niche has been "Stolen"

[balmy condor]

some of my least favorite people are rets

[bronze pike]

despite the fact bop is a external

[hollow river]

LOL

[bronze pike]

that doesnt include me right?

[warm vortex]

Ret is awful

[balmy condor]

idk you tell me you pink princess

[bronze pike]

we're besties

[hollow river]

ret rogues are slightly different, maybe

[bronze pike]

[warm vortex]

as a legend once said
"If you like ret, you will lose your mind at whack-a-mole"

[runic hinge]

Scooby doo

[errant terrace]

I just want legion back man

[bronze pike]

my yellow king

[bronze pike]

i have my rogue cap and geared up

[hollow river]

i've been having so much more fun with the game now that i'm alting so many classes

[bronze pike]

i need to gear up my vdh

[hollow river]

like it's not even funny

[bronze pike]

but man its awful tanking this season

[hollow river]

and before this expansion i never would've played anything seriously other than rogue really

[balmy condor]

It’s awful doing anything this season

[bronze pike]

ya

new ring soon tho

yay?

[hollow river]

no yay

[bronze pike]

aw

[hollow river]

please let the ring stay bad

i do not want to farm it for pvp

[bronze pike]

i havent seen a single assqueen ring

[balmy condor]

M+ is in a rebuild era after they obliterated the affix system and their dungeon design has been horrid, the raid has like 3 good fights

[bronze pike]

this entire season

[quiet oar]

Ring bad? 50% buff

[balmy condor]

Game sucks hard atm

[bronze pike]

no real

dungeon design is giga ass

[hollow river]

the last big pve ring stayed big for multiple seasons for us

[errant terrace]

bro cmon t sucked hard in slands

[hollow river]

so bad

[errant terrace]

its pretty fun rn

[bronze pike]

eggnog ring?

[errant terrace]

cant even compare the 2 versions

[bronze pike]

aleron

imma be real

i had more engagement in shadowlands

[hollow river]

idr which ring it was

the fire dmg i think

or some shit

[bronze pike]

even tho we had shit like spires

[errant terrace]

yeah but that engagement was running around in fucking thorghast

bleh

[bronze pike]

ya eggnog (eranog)

[hollow river]

yeh i guesso

[bronze pike]

imma be real aleron

[balmy condor]

At least I was doing torghast tbh

[bronze pike]

i only did torghast until i got my bis legos

[balmy condor]

What am I doing in war within

[bronze pike]

and never touched it again

[errant terrace]

also whats the no mount zone was called? cringe man

[bronze pike]

the maw

[feral quiver]

anyone know if Feint works on Queenbane on mythic Kyvesa?

[balmy condor]

Maw was chill

[bronze pike]

korthia sucked anus tho

[feral quiver]

shit chunks

[bronze pike]

maw was fine

[errant terrace]

Id much ratherjust play 4 characters

[bronze pike]

zereth mortis was gorgeous

[balmy condor]

Hot tech, just cloak it

[bronze pike]

i could legit live in zereth mortis

[balmy condor]

But you should be playing elusiveness and feinting it yes

[errant terrace]

you guys are weird cant believe you liked the maw more than the alt freedom rn

[runic hinge]

Korthia was good times

[bronze pike]

idk tww is just, logging raids and trying to do keys

cept keys are cringe

[errant terrace]

yeah thats fun

[feral quiver]

Just wasn't sure if it counted as AOE for it to reduce it's damage

[balmy condor]

Jailer is a better villain than foot fetish I’m gonna say it

[bronze pike]

cause vdh unironically caused a aoe stop nerf

[balmy condor]

No

[bronze pike]

jailer fight was pog

hard but pog

it was straight to the point

unlike shit like sylvan

daddy d also good fight

[balmy condor]

Jailer is like, a really simple villain at the surface

[hollow river]

denathrius was a sick fight

[balmy condor]

He’s just like a bad dude

[hollow river]

by all means

[bronze pike]

foot mommy is just

[hollow river]

sylvanas was turbo ass

[bronze pike]

idk how to feel about her yet

[balmy condor]

Foot fetish though they’re trying to make it morally ambiguous and shit and actually corruption and it’s not their fault

Idc bruh

[bronze pike]

fuck that

ew

[balmy condor]

Let me kill cool evil people

[bronze pike]

give me rock megatron again

he seemed sick

[balmy condor]

Real

[bronze pike]

fyrakk was sick too

god i wish

df ended with a council fight

[keen spruce]

"morally grey" has been a crutch of just making compelling bad guys for years at blizzard

[bronze pike]

like swtor raid

[keen spruce]

you can make an evil mfer

[bronze pike]

with the dreadmasters

[balmy condor]

Also what happened to iridikron is he still break crystal in case of lore emergency

[keen spruce]

and give them strong motivations and complex characterization

[runic hinge]

Fyrakk was just evil

[bronze pike]

fyrakk was misunderstood

and was fantastic

cause people still mischaractized him

[earnest remnant]

i forward fyrakks ideas

burn it all

fuck em all

[balmy condor]

What if we just took fyrakk burning it all, and just applied it to the m+ system

Could be the move

[bronze pike]

fyrakk was always understable and frankly who wouldnt if you found our your babies are being brainwashed in the egg

[earnest remnant]

imma be real

[bronze pike]

then trying to make his brother happy he corrupted himself with shadowflame

[earnest remnant]

i didn't follow any of the lore

[bronze pike]

and then dude just went insane

i like that

that was neat

[earnest remnant]

i just like chaos and mayhem

[bronze pike]

a summary of deathwing but in df

[runic hinge]

On brand

[bronze pike]

rock megatron looks neat and i like

how he took us seriously from the getgo

not like knifu

or syl

or ashara

[earnest remnant]

who the fuck is rock megatron?

[bronze pike]

iridkron

it was a running joke in wow twitter cause fyrakk gave starscreamvibes

and irikron gave megatron vibes

[earnest remnant]

i stay as far away from wow twitter as humanly possible

[bronze pike]

so there was alot of fanart of the two

https://tenor.com/view/starscream-tfp-transformers-prime-yes-transformers-gif-18144751

anywho

irkiron putting us in a situation where he always wins. was just something i liked story wise

[balmy condor]

Iridikron still just in weird void dragon soul land right

[bronze pike]

cause he didnt think we were stupid murder hobos

[balmy condor]

He’s fucked off to somewhere?

[bronze pike]

he fucked off somewhere

after getting what he wanted

[balmy condor]

Neat

[bronze pike]

dude wants to see the titans gone, i can respect that

[keen spruce]

he's rubbing his mcguffin all over his scaley balls in the void

[earnest remnant]

i remember having a bet with a guildie on who was gonna be the DF end boss

[balmy condor]

Can’t wait for him to show up again in 2028

[earnest remnant]

he said stone dragon

and i said fire dragon

cuz fire is cooler

[bronze pike]

gg on that win

[balmy condor]

Fire is hotter actually

[earnest remnant]

well lava is made of stone

and is hotter

than fire

[bronze pike]

they should have made razageth good

instead of ice dragon

[balmy condor]

Well stone is also made of lava

Chicken and the egg situation ain’t it

[earnest remnant]

nuh uh

Raszageth just looks like an overgrown lightning Emu

horrible design for a dragon

[bronze pike]

ya but

we have a ice dragon already

the blue dragon

[balmy condor]

Where’d she fuck off to

[bronze pike]

she didnt fuck off

[earnest remnant]

isnt our blue dragon arcane?

[balmy condor]

Is she still chillin in valdrakken?

[bronze pike]

ye

[balmy condor]

Doing what

[bronze pike]

yes

but they always have like ice themes

since wotlk

[earnest remnant]

okay now we get a blue dragon with ice

win win

[midnight mist]

jinx?

[bronze pike]

chillin

badtumsi

[earnest remnant]

jinx is in arcane? wow spoiler

ruined it

now i wont watch it

thanks

[midnight mist]

np cuh

[dapper marsh]

Winged dinosaur tbh

[royal lantern]

isnt that kinda the point...?

[dapper marsh]

I think so

Still looks dumb

[royal lantern]

like, the name is PROTO dragon for a reason

[hot linden]

I’m having energy issues in mplus st, am I supposed to be pooling for my kb windows?

[royal lantern]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it
• Super Min-Max stuff includes avoiding the auto proc of tea (less than +0.2%, tea/shiv macro is optimal)
• Refreshing Envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it (mostly relevant for m+ without TTK, can be up to 0.5%)
• Otherwise nothing matters. Pooling before kingsbanes isn't important because of tea lining up and deathmark giving a huge surge of energy

[midnight mist]

Why does this say energy is low on the spec

You guys have like 250

I play with 100 as outlaw

Get better noobs

[hot linden]

Damn I didn’t know you were assa certified lmao

[sharp viper]

haha

[keen spruce]

i'm a yapper

[midnight mist]

ye

[dapper marsh]

Sin just doesn't use the booger sugar

[midnight mist]

wtf is the booger sugar

[dapper marsh]

Cocaine

Or adrenaline rush

Same thing

[lone yarrow]

2 rogue 2 vault

[keen spruce]

the devil's dandruff

[sharp viper]

sheemps is just here to pedro and yapp in between

[dapper marsh]

Happy powder

[keen spruce]

[deft dome]

coming straight out of wotlk combat rogue fantasy, would I enjoy assa rogue spec? Currently lvl 1 and going strong 😄

[balmy condor]

how fast and how many dots does wotlk combat have

[deft dome]

Few, mostly SnD and Rupture.
Filler Eviscerate and generate combo with Sinister Strike. Otherwise, CDs

[balmy condor]

Is there downtime where it runs out of energy?

[deft dome]

not really, after a certain ilvl was reached, energy was never a problem

[balmy condor]

Hm

Okay well none of the specs really fit that

Outlaw has the energy/speed but with more filler spells and procs

Sub has the few maintenance buffs, but is more cooldown sequence heavy and runs out of energy outside of CDs

[deft dome]

got it, probably I'll try them all. I need to spend some time on wowhead to understand the rotation properly

[balmy condor]

Assassination has more maintenance buffs, but less cooldown sequencing/speed than sub, while also running out of energy

So if you like wotlk combat but want more maintaining dots, assa probably

If you want more cooldowns, sub

And if you want more filler procs, outlaw

[sharp viper]

outlaw makes my arms hurt

[deft dome]

I probably got it right, Assa will fill my hunger of wow 😄

thank you

[glacial stump]

Outlaw is a young mans game

[balmy condor]

Np

[golden loom]

I came straight from classic combat rogue and randomly picked sin, think they are all fun but you will probably like the one you choose first the most

Only bad thing about sin is that daggers are lame while swords have cool transmogs

[sharp viper]

I don't think there is a spec that can be directly compared to old combat rogue, outlaw got more buttons now

[jade abyss]

Legion Artefact Daggers are goated

[golden loom]

I mean yeah old combat is literally pressing sinisterstrike/backstab + slice and dice

And evis if ur swords cause u sometimes can

[deft dome]

I find rotation quite complex now compared to wotlk

on every spec

[golden loom]

But rogue still feels like rogue which is what I like

[deft dome]

that's good to hear

started retail playing a warrior but the nostalgia of a crogue got to me :))

[blazing pumice]

would cheesing Fathomdweller's Runed Citrine change those sims at all?

could you stack a shit load of mastery + necrolord buff + flask?

[sharp viper]

necrolord buff what

sounds very realistic

[blazing pumice]

necrolord buff is 4k mastery

[sharp viper]

you got a raid that lets you port out, use the ability, and then get a summon back to raid in between pulls?

[blazing pumice]

my reading is that it snapshots off equip

?

you could tea too i guess

[sharp viper]

even if it does, which I don't think it will, they will hotfix such a cheese

and once you phase instances your cheese might go away anywaysw

[subtle tundra]

I'll make love to you

[blazing pumice]

o

While on its own it is very simple, when combined with Fathomdweller's Runed Citrine Fathomdweller's Runed Citrine it does cause an interesting effect. Since Fathomdweller's Runed Citrine Fathomdweller's Runed Citrine causes other Citrines to scale with Mastery, and since this Citrine provides Mastery, it scales off of itself. This self-scaling calculation is done any time the player changes gear, zones into a new area, or resurrects after dying.

[foggy quarry]

What should i choose? My guilde stopped raiding last week so its gonna be pugs raid 4/8

Sorry for quality -> teamviewer on my computer from work. Could not wait the day,

[subtle tundra]

least obsessed wow player

[harsh violet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[golden loom]

30 min until I finally get to go home and open my vaults, cant wait

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ornate flint]

can anyone recraft me a 636 dagger? ❤️

[cedar flicker]

what's addon that show details of gears , ilv. enchant and etc ?

[rotund oak]

sim urself

(if the weapon is myth track and u dont have one u dont ask)

[rugged umbra]

looks like choonky's character stats (weakaura), not really recommended, lots of problems for a while

[spice spire]

GM

[royal lantern]

somone has the "you killed razageth after the nerfs" copypasta

[ebon notch]

Noob

[ebon notch]

CONGRATULATIONS (ansurek was harder last week) on ANSUREK MYTHIC (it was harder last weeks clear. I know you've been working really hard (Ansurek used to be harder) at it, and I'm happy that you've (you killed a nerfed final boss) achieved your goal of completion. I know your journey through (Ansurek used to do more blades) the content was filled with ups and downs, but you and (Ansurek used to be harder) your group stuck (Ansurek used to be harder) together through them all, and you were rewarded for your patience and (Ansurek used to be harder) tenacity. Congratulations (Ansurek used to be so much harder) once again, and here's to more success in your future (Ansurek used to be harder) endeavors!!!

[ebon notch]

Wrong boss but you can edit it

[ebon notch]

Ew

[spice surge]

Sir

[ebon notch]

Eleem ban him

[spice spire]

Sup

Okay so Armin can post png feet

But I can’t do this to daps

Wth

[ebon notch]

Shouldn’t have given up your mod privileges

Idk why you did even it’s not like you aren’t doing the same shit as before

[spice spire]

Didn’t think I would be

Then fomo hit

And now here we are

[ebon notch]

Reclaim the throne bud

[spice spire]

What throne

[spice surge]

Heavy is the crown

[spice spire]

I don’t care to be a green name.
If I am neat, If I’m not I’m not bothered. It’s just a role

[ebon notch]

Banger

[spice spire]

I hardly know er pal

[winged sun]

GOOD FUCKING MORNING CUUUUUH

Its my ultimate comeback to wow

Today’s raiding night

Huge red bull waiting in the fridge