assassination

[novel star]

fine i think if youre running like forced induction instead of wat anyway

which you should be if youre sweating your talents for damage!

[spice spire]

The wet ass testicles

Damn

[novel star]

need a bucket and a mop for u big boy

[spice spire]

Huh

[novel star]

i dont remember any other lyrics from that song

[spice spire]

Song?

[novel star]

wet ass puss y

[rotund oak]

😉

[coral ibex]

love WAT

[pure roost]

Hello guys, good afternoon, based on these statuses of my rogue, could you help me, I don't know which embellishment to use, ascendance or awnthread Lining (I have another 639 weapon in my bag)

[spice spire]

I’m being obtuse big dog

[novel star]

your current stats dont really change anything

[normal mist]

^

[novel star]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

probably just use dawnthread since ascension sucks any time theres multiple targets

and dawn is perfectly fine in st

[past bobcat]

Or the gem one is bis for most of the rogue specs

And good on st

[novel star]

sure

do whatever u want

embellishments are all garbage anyway

[fringe sierra]

Upgrade your hero track gear

[humble verge]

kinda thinking if this is worth a catalyst

myth track

[deep gyro]

I did it.

[stuck quartz]

I'm having trouble getting over 2mill dps overall in keys and one place I feel im lacking is in big pull dps. I have trouble getting to/above 5mill on big pulls. On the big dam dungeons im around 1.7m consistently and am at ~630 ilevel. I play with a very good fury warrior who is regularly above 2mill overall but it feels lazy to use that as an excuse. Is it more important to get out a bunch of garrotes/ruptures or is 5 enough in the massive pulls? is there a big rotational difference between a pull of 5 mobs and a pull of 12?

[clever sapphire]

what key level?

like even in 12s (highest i did), mobs die so fast that its hard to get big dps in pulls

your dmg is gonna come from spreading ruptures for full scent stacks and then going into your cooldowns

so unless many mobs will live during your cooldowns you wont be doing much dmg tbh

[stuck quartz]

12/13s rn. I just dont know if its worth it to spread 10 ruptures or stop at 5. Feels like using 4 or 5 spenders to put rupture on everything would get my deathmark/kingsbane window shut down

[clever sapphire]

you need enough for scent stacks

if you have that you are set to go into cooldowns

[stuck quartz]

just feels like if i go into CDs with 10 stacks i wasted so much spatter/deathmark uptime and everything is like 50% already. thats at least 4 spenders to get up to 10 stacks

so like 10 globals before CDs even start if i want to go with full 10 stacks of scent

[coral ibex]

scent only needs 5 stacks

which you get with 2 globals

[stuck quartz]

so stopping at half stacks is the move?

[coral ibex]

no?

read the talent

[stuck quartz]

yea, 2% agility for each target with rupture up to 20%

so 10 stacks is max

[coral ibex]

bro what

where are you getting 2%

[stuck quartz]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=381799/scent-of-blood

[coral ibex]

do you only have 1/2 ???

[nova python]

if u put 1 points then yeah

[stuck quartz]

ahhhh okay, im basing it off wowhead base text lmao

[coral ibex]

you only need to rupture twice with carnage to get full stacks

[stuck quartz]

hmmm maybe it is key level/the people im playing with stopping me from hitting 2mill overall or 5+mill on big pulls then. I'm getting out 5 ruptures and garrotes then an envenom before running into CDs. Kinda hard to do splash dam when you have a fury war and an MM hunter going up to 7m+ right away

just feels like a lazy analysis tho

should probs pug a couple keys and see what I see without them

[clever sapphire]

i mean with a fury and mm they will kill all the small shitters before you do spatter dmg

so they are doing their dmg to i dunno, 20 mobs

you only to 4-5

because all the other smallies fall over before you press an envenom

[signal turtle]

I’ve got a question that’s probably related (new rogue here, came from feral main):

our CDs seem to be ST dots. When you’re pulling packs, do you spread out your CDs to different mobs during your CD window? So far, unloading them onto one mob in the hopes for spatter damage makes that mob die within a few moments, which I would think it a waste of DoTs that should last 10 - 14s.

[novel star]

wdym spread out your cds

you just use them and then theyre on cd

[sinful fable]

Is the Double Vanish flex point put into Lethality if you dont feel you need double vanish? So just 1/2 leth, or do we find another point somewhere?

[clever sapphire]

most of your dmg is gonna be spatter, your dots arent really there for dmg (besides crimson tempest i guess)

[clever sapphire]

yap

lethality if you dont want double vanish

can even go 2 into lethality and 1 into subter if you feel like that

but 12s of master assa just looks good

[signal turtle]

Like use the 1min CD on one (sorry, less than a week into this), use the 2min CD on another, etc

[clever sapphire]

so i never do that

[novel star]

no

you always want to deathmark and kingsbane the same target

because deathmark makes kingsbane stack faster

by doubling poison applications

[signal turtle]

Kk, so just dive into the mob with highest health then 👍🏼

[novel star]

yep

you can also not hit shiv

cause it doesnt increase aoe damage

and will just make your prio target die faster

but yeah youll just get fucked in low keys

[signal turtle]

Ohhhh ok so in keys shiv doesn’t need to be in the CD window except on bosses?

[novel star]

yep

[signal turtle]

BET ty this will help

[novel star]

spatter's aoe damage is calculated before shiv debuff

its giga for prio/boss dam but

thats it

[sinful fable]

@clever sapphire just realized we dont take SB with the MA hybrid build, I thought that was pretty big in aoe? Guess its nicer for ST, or that MA is just that good

[clever sapphire]

SB is for aoe, ttk is for ST, SD is for a mix kinda

because of the new subter, master assa is just goated

so its kinda a must pick if you are running subter

and SB-ttk-SD are the 3 where you can move points around

[sinful fable]

ah, so you always run MA, but flexpoints are SB ttk SD depending on ST, aoe or 50/50? gotcha

[clever sapphire]

yap

you can also not run subterfuge at all and go down the ER path and just ignore master assa thatway

thats also a possiblity

not sure how fun that is but ye

[sinful fable]

seems like 40 are on SB on murlok, with 10 on SD but 45 on TTK

so in higher keys ppl run both TTK and SB?

[clever sapphire]

well bosses live longer in high keys, so people prefer ttk

[clever sapphire]

assuming your group is organized enough you can drop iron wire for both ye

it do be a big utility loss for not a lot of visible gain

[sinful fable]

if I'm only aiming for 3k, you think IW is needed for that key lvl? split of 12 and 13's

[west crown]

yes

[sinful fable]

rip

[clever sapphire]

yap

well i dont take it in mists

also dont take it in city of trash

personal preference ig

and a bit of trolling for the funsies

[sinful fable]

I'll just run the standard build with swapping 2 vanish for 1 pt lethality

so MA SD IW

[clever sapphire]

you do you, thats the good part

you can run the build you prefer

and its gonna perform around the same no matter what

[west crown]

unless you take IW

then you miss the key by 5% damage and have to drop IW

[clever sapphire]

for 12s-13s SD might even be good to pad on the smallies

[keen spruce]

For 12s and 13s you can run anything you want.

[clever sapphire]

anything you say?

what if i run no kb

[runic hinge]

crab build

[clever sapphire]

no kb, no dm, no double shiv

[keen spruce]

I mean yeah probably

Fkin send it

[clever sapphire]

i would probably do around the same dmg as the usual fotm rerollers

[west crown]

prob could even run cleave build and be fine

[clever sapphire]

full st build with a swap to spatter

manually spreading bleeds 1 by 1

[subtle tundra]

men.......

[clever sapphire]

varas was mad at me for asking about the double vanish mists tech, he said i can do what i want in my weekly 10s

[subtle tundra]

no...

but

men.... 🤤

[clever sapphire]

how 1 smiley can change a sentence

[subtle tundra]

its a drool

even better

[split veldt]

im a moron, does SD become better or worse in higher keys?

[clever sapphire]

i mean less executes probably

but the dmg in bleeds stays

which is mostly why you take it imma assume

[west crown]

in low keys its a significant part of your damage. so its "worse" but still good in higher keys

[sinful fable]

oh no, just realized my ambush on my stealth bar is still ambush after breaking stealth now with subterfuge.

[coral ibex]

that doesn’t matter

[balmy condor]

Oh no optimal keybind setup

Horror

[sinful fable]

well without subterfuge I just had Ambush on my mutilate button in stealth (1)

[split veldt]

no SB in keys means bosses will feel better right? i feel like half the time im just sitting there going left dagger, right dagger lol

[balmy condor]

Shouldn’t feel better or worse

Since we ignore sanguine entirely in st

[coral ibex]

there’s no “oh no” involved here tho

you can ambush instead of mutilate during subterfuge

it’s fine

[balmy condor]

You’ll do more damage though

That’ll feel better I guess

[coral ibex]

you told me the difference is less than the sim’s margin of error

[balmy condor]

For what

[coral ibex]

ambush instead of mut during subt

[balmy condor]

Oh

Yeah makes no difference

I ain’t talking about that I’m talking about sanguineblade being a dogshit talent with no single target

[coral ibex]

oh

i got you

[balmy condor]

I couldn’t care less about bros keybinds

[coral ibex]

caught the stray reply

[sinful fable]

sorry Whispyr, I'm just a creature of habit and it caught me offguard now whilst doing dummy training with the """"""new""""" build

I'm a crybaby :>>>>>>>>

[past bobcat]

You guys think 626 skar is still probs better than 639 trans?

For m+

[royal lantern]

skar>transmitter simply cus no stupid minigame

[solar wyvern]

If you like minigames tho

Transmitter is pretty goood

[past bobcat]

Mini game isn't an issue

Just wondering for dungeons since I see some using transmitter

Skar obv sims higher for dslice

[clever sapphire]

how does it sim higher wat

[solar wyvern]

Afaik transmitter is better

Numbers wise

[clever sapphire]

its very minimal but numbers wise it should be better

the minigame just sucks ass

[spice surge]

Nah for aoe skardyn is typically better

Skardyn on-use is way worse than transmitter, but it has passive agi so its better for less bursty specs

Whereas almost all of the power of transmitter is in the on-use

The fact that its even remotely close despite 30% wasted cooldown

Tells you how shit skardyn (and every other trinket really) is

[past bobcat]

Yeah in aoe transmitter doesn't seem as good

But I wonder if this isn't a trust the sims angle

And I use my 639 as opposed to my 626 Skar

[spice surge]

Skardyn sims significantly higher in dslice and aoe than transmitter

Because assa isnt nearly as bursty in aoe

[past bobcat]

I wonder if people are using it for the ST on bosses then

[spice surge]

So a strictly burst focused trinket isnt as good

[past bobcat]

Cause speed is running it

[subtle tundra]

yes on st transmitter is better

[past bobcat]

Yeah so I wonder if that's why they are using it for the higher keys. More ST boss damage as opposed to Skar for the aoe

[clever sapphire]

ah that makes sense

[coral ibex]

idk transmitter sims as a loss at 639 compared to my skardyn

[cobalt sphinx]

Trasmitter looked like a gain on patchwerk for me

[past bobcat]

Hmm even casual is using transmitter on some keys

Must be for ST

[cobalt sphinx]

Casual said he used myth transmitter because he didn’t have myth gb, no clue if he got a myth gb

There could be some merit to having more damage inside your cooldowns

It’ll probably end up very similar either way

[slow marsh]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[waxen field]

didn't cloak used to negat the breath on first boss of nw ?

[proven jasper]

the 1st second of it does

when you have full immunity

[waxen field]

ah, so the reason i die is because i use cloak too early ? didn't know, thanks

[spice surge]

!nw

[prisma monolith]

The breath/frontal from the first boss in Necrotic Wake is an attack, not a spell.

In order to immune the the breath, you must be in the first second of cloak of shadows (“a moment of magic immunity”). After the first second of cloak of shadows has elapsed, the attack will hit you and no longer be immuned.
Alternatively you can use evasion to dodge the breath.

[cyan karma]

Some times I feint and drink CV, seems to work… chunks about 75% in a +13

[waxen field]

ah there was a command mb

[spice surge]

Paladins usually sac every other

And then you have evasion and cloak

Should be fine

[solar wyvern]

Evasion lets you dodge the frontal as well so no need to panic defensive it

No feint required

[frail briar]

what is a good uptime of CT atm i am at 50 but feels like i lose alot of Caustic spatter dmg

[solar wyvern]

You only need to press it once every 18 seconds or so, not sure what the problem is

[snow kindle]

good uptime is always having it up when you can

aswell as caustic always have it up

[short quarry]

what does mh actually contribute to damage outside of the stats on it? Does the dps of the weapon modify ability damage>

[frail briar]

thanks now i know what to look at

[snow kindle]

aslong as theres 2 targets keep it up like you would with rupture n youre chillin

[frail briar]

yeah i just saw i dropped the ball on caustic uptime only 83%
while my CT was up my caustic went down

[snow kindle]

just to clear up some confusion you just didnt have caustic up cause you forgot right

[frail briar]

in away my focus was to much on CT

[snow kindle]

ye caustic falls off pretty fast when youre trying to do all the other shit

[frail briar]

yeah its hard to keep track of it all atm

[short quarry]

so ive been using a 636 intellect dagger for two weeks and didnt realize it. crafted the wrong one -_-

[snow kindle]

pain

[short quarry]

at least i got a free 100k increase on st from putting on a 626 agi dagger lol

[runic hinge]

Weapon damage does yes.

[agile locust]

If I’ve got wasted combo points with mutilate (9) and seal fate (25) does that mean I’m over generating combo points and then they are getting wasted that way? I’m just using wowanalyzer.

[normal mist]

You'll always waste points with mutilate

are you using your finishers at 5 OR more cps?

[agile locust]

This is what I’m trying to work out, if I’m wasting that way and not realising it

[normal mist]

You should use finishers at 5 CPS or more, and never force mutilate if you already have 5+ cps filled, unless you're going to proc darkest night

Imagine you have 6 CPs, need 7 to proc darkest night, and that mutilate alone crits. You just "wasted" 3 cps

It happens

[agile locust]

Ok so that’s normal I guess

[coral ibex]

yea, its significantly worse to delay a DN because you landed on 6cp and dont want to "waste" the cp

its preferable to be "overflowing" your cp and be casting more spenders as a result

[normal mist]

Yeah its normal, don't overthink it. Just be sure you're only trying to get 5 cps (more if mutilate crits) overall

[coral ibex]

if you didn't have the effects giving you all the extra cp you'd just have to mut more

[agile locust]

Plus I’m specced into forced induction as well

[coral ibex]

those bonus cp get added and bypass the cap btw

7cp + FI = 10cp

[agile locust]

Ok thanks. I’m just trying to analyse my dps as I want to keep improving

Any tips on the best way to do that using data?

[runic hinge]

The only time I’ll crit both muts is when I’m at 6 combo points with DN I swear

[coral ibex]

pray that garrote is in pandemic

[cursive marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dawn heath]

Any ring sims yet?

Are we thinking its gonna be overpowred or is it gonna be small 1-3% dmg gain?

[west crown]

Iirc Whispyr said it sucks until it gets drastic changes and then becomes op

I don’t think those changes have come through yet

[dawn heath]

Kinda hoping it sucks across the board

[royal lantern]

lol

sorry, but if you think that this is gonna be the case

lmao

[dawn heath]

I wanna be done with the season and play other games

But its gonna force me to do keys 6 weeks after the patch hits due to player power

[strange python]

I am a new member and have a question --> how does Envenom and Rupture work? Do they apply new, replace, or refresh existing dot if you accidently press? so for example if you do a 7 combo envenom, then accidently press it with 1 point -> it deletes the 7 point worth of damage kinda thing?

Also with helikili crimson tempest its always trying to do it with max stacks regardless if enemies will live for full duration, so is it okay to situationally say well 3 point combo (over 10 seconds) is optimally better because enemies wont liuve as long or even 1 point, then use the rest of the combo points into something else i.e. rupture

[gilded wolf]

Is there a certain target count that we would use CT as our spender, over Envenom, even when the CT bleed has already been applied and is not in danger of expiring any time soon?

Or is it simply to maintain the bleed and using envenom as the spender until it’s time to refresh the bleed?

[spice surge]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[dry wing]

when your ruptures spread out of stealth, does the bone spike spread as well? What is the recommended build for M+ im seeing different ones

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
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[fathom flax]

Fellas, what’s the mythic ansurek tips and tricks

[cyan karma]

@strange python what was the question?

[fathom flax]

Besides stepping to cheese wrest

[cyan karma]

That was general chat

[strange python]

I'm new here and have a question: How do Envenom and Rupture work? Do they apply a new DoT, replace the existing one, or just refresh it if you accidentally press the ability again? For example, if you use a 7-combo-point Envenom and then accidentally hit it with 1 combo point, does it overwrite the 7-point damage?

Also, with Hekili suggesting Crimson Tempest at max stacks regardless of whether enemies will live for the full duration, is it better to adjust situationally? For instance, would using a 3-combo-point Crimson Tempest (over 10 seconds) be more optimal if enemies won't live as long? And then use the remaining combo points for something else, like Rupture?

[spice surge]

Always use 5+ on all finishers

Envenom does not apply a dot

Rupture or crimson tempest damage doesnt scale with combo points spent, only the duration scales

[cyan karma]

^, and hekili is not entirely accurate… it’s fine to use to get you started but don’t get hooked… keep asking questions and understand the spec 🙂

[strange python]

so with envenom it has a second amount after, I assume thats to do with poison application chance (30%), if it was at 7 seconds and I accidently press 1 combo point button would it go from 7 seconds back to 1 seconds left../ remaining time..

[strange python]

oh thats good to know. so with duration, does it STACK or extend, or replace the duration

[coral ibex]

CT scales with targets hit and snapshots the # of targets on application

[spice surge]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[cyan karma]

Your playing death stalker?

[strange python]

Also on single target it always recommends Fan of Knives > Mutilate... anyone know why that is?

[cyan karma]

Clear the witness,

buffed FOK after applying DSM

[novel star]

no

ct does no upfront damage at all

it’s like rupture

[strange python]

I am a new player I will need a translation.

what is ct

[novel star]

ct is crimson tempest

clear the witnesses is a deathstalker hero talent

[cyan karma]

Best advice I can give as a new player this season as well is save that wow head guide and read it every day… takes weeks to soak in but it’s all in there, all the info you could ever need

And you have read all the fine print… the rotation symbols will only get you so far

[amber brook]

Sometimes when i use the shiv tea macro the tea goes off but not shiv, anyone else?

[manic sphinx]

Not sure, just guessing - but are you pressing it while still in gcd?

[cyan karma]

its goes off when shiv is on cool down but that it realy

maybe out of range, but i havnt noticed..

[amber brook]

Could be out of range true

[civic knot]

is bubbling wax on main hand still bis?

[west crown]

Never was, whetstones are

[civic knot]

what about in aoe?

[novel star]

nope

never was bis in st or aoe

it’s just free

roughly equal w/ oil but worse than whetstones

in all situations

but consumables are just tiny and dogshit this xpac regardless so saving money is worth prolly

[civic knot]

yeah they've gone down a lot so might as well use them thanks

[lyric solstice]

any1 got a WA to tell you when you are about to passively use thistle tea to stop using it by accident?

[slate crown]

make WA trigger unit player power energy below 80 do stuff

Also it doesn't really matter if it does proc

[clear plover]

when do we pool energy? I think sometimes I feel that I have no energy

[pure moth]

!tea use this. you dont need to worry about tea when using it

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[static glacier]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[static glacier]

generally pooling is dead, you just focus on maintaining envenom uptime by avoiding spamming envenom outside of cds if you just applied it (twist the knife can make it acceptable to chain 2 envenoms) generally though pooling matters a lot less than it did

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it
• Super Min-Max stuff includes avoiding the auto proc of tea (less than +0.2%, tea/shiv macro is optimal)
• Refreshing Envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it (mostly relevant for m+ without TTK, can be up to 0.5%)
• Otherwise nothing matters. Pooling before kingsbanes isn't important because of tea lining up and deathmark giving a huge surge of energy

[distant hinge]

!fu

[west crown]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lyric solstice]

how does this work exactly? it uses a thistle and stops you from being able to use another for 5 seconds?

[west crown]

Yes, for people who spam press keys

[pure moth]

^ this plus one less button to worry about. just shiv and tea will happen when it needs to.

[solemn swan]

Goodmorning everyone , just joined the discord, i need help with trinkets , been using bloodmallet for like ever and ive checked litterally all the sites , everything is pointing to dead eyes and skardyn's , but brooo dead eye spyglass feels like shit ive been checking my details over the past weeks of using and the aura is like 12% uptime OVERALL am i missing something or... legit thinking about swapping to arakara sacbrood but ii feel like ima be missing alot of agility =/ help

[keen spruce]

Sims don’t lie

Spyglass and crystal normally perform better than sacbrood

Depending on the content and your gear ig

But they’re all really close and it just doesn’t matter which one you use

There won’t be a noticeable difference

[dull prism]

wasnt there a talent to make tricks of the trade last entire dungeon or am i dreaming? Cant find it now.

[royal lantern]

trickster talent tree

+taking tricks, lol imagine doing that

[dull prism]

ah ok its for sub

[sick garnet]

Is there any way to make the m+ st less boring? Energy starving and pooling for evenoms isnt the play^^

If there are adds to funnel its giga fun but man if its just a single mob it drains my sanity

[royal lantern]

why is it not the play

thats the way the spec is desinged

if you wanna slam buttons 24/7, play one of the 40+ other dps specs out there

[dull prism]

is tricks of the trade used in m+? I keep reading it boost damage but not sure it does it in retail anymore?

[royal lantern]

what

why should tricks give dmg

lol

[ripe carbon]

it used to give damage boost to person u tricksed

[royal lantern]

that was

fucking cata

lol

[ripe carbon]

ya

maybe read a classic player posting about it

[cunning needle]

[dull prism]

i found it, it was a pvp talent called thick as thieves, not for pve tho

[crude wigeon]

Hi guys, I have a question for this discord. Wich is the cap for rogue stats in m+? Is there any for mastery, critic strike and haste? I know wich one is better but im currently around 58% mastery and 27 critial stricke, but I dont know if its word adding more stats of this. Thank you fugys for your help

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[grave ruin]

I see alot of rogues pushing higher m+ running twist the knife instead of the bleed capstone that's recommended, is there any like keylevel it's worth swapping since when the bleeds don't kill the mobs it's basically just a 10% bleed dmg capstone? Or should I drop it right away?

[royal lantern]

it was basically always a 10% bleed dmg capstone

the "execute" is never why that talent is picked outside of heroic/m+ until like +4 dungeons

and it doesnt matter

ttk is slightly more ST dmg for slightly less aoe dmg

your ST dmg will still be bad

assa has like 500 different "m+ builds" that all do the same dmg in the end

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/linkin-park-in-the-end-chester-bennington-numetal-breaking-the-habit-gif-17702544

[humble verge]

is there a way for us to skip the add on last boss NW?

remember reading it somewhere as we rogeus have the possibility but idk

[golden loom]

you can vanish the exile cast and boss sends someone else down

I think

[spice surge]

Fairly sure they fixed vanish being usable to completely cancel the dark exile cast, so the only way i know of to "skip" it is to be sent down and then press wyrmstone from an aug to teleport back up and then cloak of the debuff

Like mentioned vanishing now only makes him recast

[gloomy hinge]

which keys for iron wire?

[hearty coral]

Hi guys the purple ítem u get in a delve that u exchange it for 1500 coins and other stuff is per character or account?

[grave ruin]

Yeah that was my thought aswell, so eventually when mobs live longer it's decent for the bleed itself but nothing else

[strange python]

All keys.

[swift whale]

How do I survive Mistveil Stalker (fox) bites on high mist keys? On +16 I get one shot if I don't have a defensive up.
Looking at Kush VOD of +16 Mists, I see he didn't pop anything and his HP did not move.
Am I missing something?

[subtle tundra]

sometimes it does direct dmg, sometimes not

you pre feint it

every time

pretty easy

[spice surge]

I think its dodgeable

As in the initial hit, but the bleed is still applied

[subtle tundra]

it doesnt do dmg more often than not

[cloud marsh]

go dwarf!

[subtle tundra]

dwarf doesnt help with initial dmg

you just feint every time

while its casting

its free button

youre in AOE, infinite energy

[spice surge]

technically its -10%

[subtle tundra]

not on gcd

[subtle tundra]

fuck you!

[spice surge]

[lone parrot]

all i want for christmas to for thistle tea to go back to manual use

[worldly dock]

Hey guys ! what should i do to deal max dmg with Kingsbane?

[normal mist]

Have good envenom uptime and spam during cds

[worldly dock]

Does it worth if i use it in Aoe Fights?

If add last long enough?

[normal mist]

Absolutely yes

it spatters

[worldly dock]

i usually dot with everything then i use Deathmark shiv/tea macro KB then spam envenoms

i was asking because i saw a pull where another rogue

did 10m with KB

and i was only at 1.5m

[normal mist]

10M 1 Kb?

To be fair idk if thats big or not

[worldly dock]

well it was a mob fight in arakara

i cant remember exactly

[normal mist]

Doesn't matter

[worldly dock]

but still he's Kb did like 10x times more then mine

wich i think im doing somethin bad

[normal mist]

Just have good envenom uptime, have spatter up, spam envenoms if high energy

[worldly dock]

also

from stealth i start with ambush/garrotte rupture

do i have to to tab target?

[normal mist]

In theory no

In minmax sure

[worldly dock]

but on a lager pull

[normal mist]

you really deal no worth damage with your bleeds

you just want to set up 5 ruptures to gain max scent of blood stacks

and go into spatter

[weary spear]

Sounds like you were swapping targets or were outranged from your KB target. Need to be hitting mob with auto attacks for it to stack

[humble verge]

hmm

is there any usage for Hall of Shadows?

[shy heron]

Collecting tmogs

[normal mist]

Speaking of tmog

#1262437829150113855

[winged quail]

I FUCKING LOVE AUG 2 BILLION DPS

[coral ibex]

that aug is literally afk bruh

wtf

[winged quail]

shh

just need to rng a mythic chest from vault and i never do a weekly again

[rotund oak]

ur dps is 2.55Mil,the overall dmg done is 2.48bil 🙂

dps ===> damage per second

[haughty shoal]

How to know which reagants and secondary stats are best for crafting a second everforged stabber for off hand?

[coral ibex]

you shouldn't craft an offhand

massive waste of crests

unless every other slot is already crafted/639

[haughty shoal]

So you recommend crafting an item to swap the lowest ilvl item?

[coral ibex]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[coral ibex]

you should fix your ilvl slots with crafts

yes

[haughty shoal]

Thanks my g

[coral ibex]

[winged quail]

I know I'm kidding

[upper wraith]

where we at for overalls in 12s-13s I only do about 1.7-2M overall dps how bout yall

[onyx rock]

Depends on the key and also on your group. You cant compare like that.

[upper wraith]

I meant to say depending on key

[onyx rock]

I can do 1.5 or 2 Million Dps only becouse of another Tank.

[manic quartz]

havent done any 13 yet coz why? but in 10-12 keys its 1,9-2,7 mil so many factors

[winged quail]

dps in keys scales with your tanks balls

also helps if you have good singletarget classes to carry you on bossfights cuz your overall goes down if they drag on too long

[grim jay]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/y7RsqW_wHOCZwzTQvHgMgXdf2CtECVgGHYXvskjfi7I/https/media.tenor.com/5G7cEiESNgEAAAPo/cheese-silly-cat.mp4

you can also just hold your shit for bosses

if its not too long

[winged quail]

yeah I do but if bosses live too long I get sad

[teal palm]

anyone have a good plater profile ? I feel like I can't see caustic properly with the default one so after I spread my bleeds sometimes I feel like I can't hit the mob with the debuff

[normal mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[normal mist]

right here @teal palm

[teal palm]

❤️

[waxen oyster]

Is there something good about panda resto sham

or why am i seeing so many of them lately

[normal mist]

The are cute

[spice surge]

Because panda is gigachad

[waxen oyster]

If only dwarf wasnt stupid good

[novel star]

Based and true

bis race

[spice surge]

My masks are running out

Need to buy more so i can look more like panda

[rotund oak]

ive got like 300

cant log now though,at work

[gilded wolf]

Fatebound Multi Target opener question - Do I spread Garrotes and Ruptures to the recommended target count (5) before using Deathmark and Kingsbane or do I get my cooldowns going before spreading the garrotes and ruptures?

[snow kindle]

always spread first

[waxen oyster]

fatebound doesnt change gameplay at all

[humble verge]

why is the mage so far behind 😭

[winged quail]

weekly +10s

[humble verge]

aug for weekly 10

still fun to do 2 bill dps

honestly, can just go into NW and do close to 2,5m

if youre not inting

[winged quail]

NW is cheating with spears tho

[humble verge]

i never pick up spears

damage in 16 AK, horrible

[winged quail]

[humble verge]

i died like once

on uh i actually dunno

oh ye

on Ixin

first big spida

one of the other dps popped the egg behidn and i just stood in it too long not realizing and was too low

hits for like 900k

[winged quail]

i just send cloak when we pull big at start

i dont trust people

[humble verge]

idk if i cloaked

[dull matrix]

hey how do you rogue skip the honor guards in SV?

[humble verge]

i dont

[dull matrix]

do i pull, sprint then vanish?

[humble verge]

you make someone else do it

[winged quail]

wish my groups would skip those, worst mobs in M+ awful design

[humble verge]

you should if you route it but

[sage cargo]

Do we still play hybrid in lowbob keys

or do I just go bleed? like in +8s

[humble verge]

can go bleed in 8s

you insakill

[gilded wolf]

This doesn’t include garrote?

[royal lantern]

no, the ability that especially says rupture doesnt include garrote

[gilded wolf]

Right but my question was do I spread ruptures AND garrotes before getting my cooldowns rolling

#assassination message

[humble verge]

yes

you want your dots up

before you go into CDs

[glass lagoon]

Saw a video, assa rogue, but I don't get what hit is this

[humble verge]

echoing reprimand

not used anymore

atleast not on assa

[spice surge]

It doesnt exist anymore

So ye its not used

[humble verge]

they actually removed it

^

yea

kinda weird

i still dont get why* they did, but atleast 1 less button in opener lmao

[blazing pumice]

once you have 5 ruptures up you proceed to use cds

you don't hold waiting to rupture every mob on the planet

[humble verge]

and garr

[glass lagoon]

video from month ago, when they did remove it

[humble verge]

hmm

longer than that?

[blazing pumice]

you want spatter up as well before you go into cds

[humble verge]

my usual m+ opener is ambush, gar rup rup gar, fok ct, fok mut(CS) envenom then into DM and KB

when starting a dung

[sudden swan]

The .5 patch. I don't remember the exact date

[deft vault]

whats the expression fo empowered damage on court in warcraft logs

[humble verge]

oct 22

it seems

actually over a month ago

feels like it was yesterday

[rotund oak]

its a skill originally introduced in shadowlands from the Kyrian faction called echoing reprimand.Removed on a rework lately and embodied as a type of passive in the rogue general tree

[humble verge]

!shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[gilded wolf]

What about garrotes?

[humble verge]

look at this @gilded wolf

usually works for me

also its pretty much

standard

[blazing pumice]

you can keep using it until IC runs out

[gilded wolf]

Thank you. Ambush even as Fatebound?

[blazing pumice]

no

[gilded wolf]

Didn’t think so!

[blazing pumice]

playing fatebound in m+ is a bit cringe

[humble verge]

fatebound in m+

idk

maybe whispyr does it

[gilded wolf]

Playing a suboptimal hero talent well is better than playing an optimal hero talent not as well. Maybe I’ll swap once I get the hang of things with Fate

[smoky dagger]

Gents, tried to find a little info on embellishments. Which two are we running for pure m+ focus?

[blazing pumice]

dawnthread

[smoky dagger]

2x?

[sullen hollow]

yes

[smoky dagger]

Neat, thx!

[normal mist]

yes

Asking rogue players if you should main either rogue or dk is a funny one

[blazing pumice]

chatgpt

[wicked trout]

What’s best alliance race is dracthyr any good?

[normal mist]

What about thinking for yourself i guess

Its you who's gonna play

nah

[blazing pumice]

for m+ dwarf or nelf

[normal mist]

yes

All i said was that it was a funny question to ask

Mister salty over here

Why should we decide for you tho, we can't

thats a filter hit

you should be more careful with words

No idea what you're saying

[solemn swan]

not everyone is living in the us

[signal turtle]

Flip a coin, problem solved

[normal mist]

It surely doesnt affect me

[solemn swan]

it does, the rest of us dont give a flying fk

[normal mist]

And yeah just flip a coin

[solemn swan]

kinda like your question on who to main

[normal mist]

Heads - rogue
Tails - dk

[hollow river]

@normal mist may I?

[normal mist]

Not gonna judge if you do brother

[hollow river]

!mute @exotic apex they’ll probably change this to a ban, but yep

[normal mist]

I hope its tails

[dapper cradle]

Bro haha that shit escalated for no reason

Some people just like to seethe

[normal mist]

Probably had a long day and was tired and easily triggered

[balmy condor]

you think so low of me to play that

[bleak dove]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-thank-you-sweet-dreams-happy-birthday-woman-lachen-gif-11074463367286076865

[normal mist]

Hi again Amon

[brave comet]

is there a way to macro trick of the trade onto the tank without having to click the sumbitch

[normal mist]

!Tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[normal mist]

Get that WA

and get the macro

[humble verge]

yes, considering how much you were raging last night 😭 im not trying to be mean ok

[balmy condor]

I'm cooked

[gilded wolf]

Surely coin flipping rogues aren’t like leagues behind stalker

[waxen oyster]

I mean its noticeably behind

[humble verge]

JUGE MIN-MAX from catalysting boots

[normal mist]

The most important thing is if you are getting a new appearance or not

[dawn heath]

plenty of time guys?

shadowstep on 0.1

[royal mauve]

Is there a way i can make my mouseover kick macro also just interrupt my target if i dont have a mouseover?

Im an idiot when it comes to macros

[dawn heath]

i gotchu

1s

let me loginto the game

[royal mauve]

❤️

[dawn heath]

/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][]Kick

[royal mauve]

Sweet ty!

[dawn heath]

#showtooltip Shadowstep
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Shadowstep
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Kick
/cast [harm,nodead][@targettarget,harm,nodead] Kick
/targetenemy [harm,nodead]
/cast Kick
/targetlasttarget

bonus macro if u want

mouseover stepkick

needs to press twice tho

[royal mauve]

Oh fun

[balmy condor]

in aoe? yes

miles

they're comparable in single target

there is not even remotely a contest in aoe

[gilded wolf]

Indescriminate carnage and subterfuge work pretty well for fatebound AoE as well

[royal mauve]

One more macro question how do I do shadowstep the same way so it works for enemies and friendlies?

When I take out the harm it tells me i dont have target when targetting enemies

[dawn heath]

i asked chatgpt to write me my macros u can do the same but sec let me log in again

[royal mauve]

lol that's one way

[dawn heath]

you can ask chatgpt what u want hte macro to do and it will write it

/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead] [@target] Shadowstep

i think this is what i use

[devout hazel]

someone haves a weak aura

for envenom uptime

[mossy glen]

yo what other IDs are there for this debuff, still getting it on plater despite blacklisting it

[agile locust]

What’s people’s opinion on transmitter over skardyn’s in ST?

[winged quail]

in theory it does more damage in pure singletarget

as soon as there's more than 1 target it's not as good

[agile locust]

Mini game not worth the hassle?

[winged quail]

the minigame sucks

[novel star]

good but annoying to play

[agile locust]

It’s simming 7k more, but not sure it’s worth it

[winged quail]

7k is not a lot in the grand scheme of things, and since it puts more damage in your CDs you need to do them perfectly while doing the minigame

[royal lantern]

what excatly is the reason that cringe flip is so much behind in aoe btw?

the DS FoK nodes+envenom buffs giving that much of an adventage?

[balmy condor]

yeah

fatebound also just nerfs itself

[subtle lynx]

can someone explain the decision-making behind whether or not to run sudden demise in high keys? looking at leaderboards it seems to be all over the place like many top rogues running it but others not within the same dungeon

[balmy condor]

a billion talents are all viable, sudden demise is one of the talents people drop

it's just preference

[subtle lynx]

oh ok interesting, thanks

wish other classes were like that haha

[royal lantern]

good

[west crown]

Had to be self nerfed for outlaw id imagine

[coral ibex]

the execute is based on current bleed damage remaining, so you'd need longer remaining duration bleeds on very low % targets the higher key level you go

[balmy condor]

what

[coral ibex]

for a reason why people value the execute less

[idle aurora]

new to ass. how do you not run out of energy and pool properly before cds? do you actually just have dead globals besides dots and envenom?

[subtle lynx]

Yea im aware of this but it doesn't really explain why some top rogues are using it and some aren't even within the same key, which would sorta defy that explanation lol. But the "it's preference" answer makes a lot of sense

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

a lot of m+ doesn't make much sense honestly. People say they want more single target and then take sanguine blades

who knows what they're thinking

[balmy condor]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[idle aurora]

ty

[subtle lynx]

gotta tell their tank to pull trash into bosses if they want ST lol

[balmy condor]

yeh idk

[subtle lynx]

i wish this iteration of assa was around during the reaping funnel meta wonder if it wouldve been better than outlaw was

[spice surge]

You mean like sub was?

Although sub got nuked before reaping was introduced, but the funnel was still significantly better than current assa funnel

[dawn heath]

how important is maintaining CT on like a 2 target boss fight? should it be something that we keep 100 % uptime on or should we just let it drop for abit to prioritise maintaining bleeds and envenom uptime/pooling energy for our cds

thinking mostly about COT 2nd boss and mist first boss

[balmy condor]

100%

[dawn heath]

also another thing, its the mutilate VS FOK debate on 2 target. standing on dummy i've had alot of instances when i have to press 3 Fans to get enough combo points for a envenom which feels terrible

[balmy condor]

CTs tick damage on a single target in 2 target situations is 40% stronger than it would be in 1 target situations

and it's VERY close to being worth maintaining in 1 target

what debate on mut vs fok

[dawn heath]

well what im saying is that it seems inconsistant i popped my 2minute cds then spent 3 globals pressing fan before i could envenom i guess its just bad rng

its still "correct" to do

[balmy condor]

yes that's how seal fate works

ofc it's correct

[spice surge]

You could end up needing to spend 3 globals on mutilate too

[dawn heath]

getting only 2 envenoms off in a full ingsbane

kinda crazy

[balmy condor]

okay

3 foks + 1 envenom is 4 gcds, so you would be getting 3 off

but whatever

fok on 2 is better or else we wouldn't recommend it

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/jdhwlc0GaTVlB-b_C?invite=cr-MSxrTXMsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA me in my kingsbane windows

💀

juan crit

[bronze pike]

no

https://tenor.com/view/mexican-giga-chad-giga-chad-gif-26351193

[vivid prism]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

I didn’t even know we fan’d in 2t

[coral ibex]

its kinda unreliable

[keen spruce]

I’m just a vibes player now

[coral ibex]

fuckin sucks to fok 3x and get 3 cp

im a mut on 2 kinda guy tbh

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-my-new-character-gif-2777893510283028272

[keen spruce]

Casual af

The both of us

[gilded wolf]

Casual af would also be running coin flip 🤌🏻

[wet plover]

Stupid question, but how exactly does the envenom up time work? The numbers displayed are a little confusing

[runic hinge]

envenom is a buff you wanna hit envenom again when there is about 1 second left

[wet plover]

Gotcha thasnk you

[wet plover]

Does anyone know what stats I should have on my Everforged Stabber?

[blazing pumice]

crit mastery probs

[past bobcat]

You guys start mists as sub and swap for 16+ or stay sin whole time?

[slate crown]

!stats It matters way less than you think. You will not notice a difference if you just don't include a missive and get random stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[slate crown]

it's fine

[wet plover]

Hmm i see, also is there a way to request a 636 craft? Since the range says 623-636 I dont want someone to just craft the lowest version :P

[serene fossil]

Only with personal or guild orders. Public you cant specify

[wet plover]

Rip thank you

[balmy condor]

!warn @rotund oak this isn’t trade chat and you should know that

[rotund oak]

ah sorry didnt know

apologies,thought ild help

[solemn swan]

hey everyone and good morning ! flasks, temp mastery or alchemical chaos ?

[balmy condor]

alchemical chaos

[solemn swan]

thanks ! 🙂

[atomic relic]

a question my weakaura when im getting out of combat turns pallid how can i fix it?

[sick marsh]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[shy pecan]

Check the conditions tab. Likely in there.

[teal palm]

Anyone else had the final boss reset in Tak retan abyss when they vanish? it happenned to me like 3 times now...

[worldly dock]

Hey guys
Is there a macro to use in m+ to target back ur main target after you Tab and dot other targets? For the deathstalker marks?

And also I think I do something wrong in kingsbane

I have a WA showing how much dmg I do but I compared this with another rogue and he was way better

[grim jay]

yeah vanishing in solo content is pretty rough

just dont vanish if you dont need to

[sharp viper]

usually brann should stay in combat in a delve for you to be able to vanish midfight - but that isn't always reliable

[hearty coral]

when s2 cooming?

[grim jay]

february or something maybe

[worldly dock]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[agile geode]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pearl steppe]

im ilvl 609 can i solo tier 8 delves?

[normal mist]

i was doing it at 590

so is possible

[pearl steppe]

does it matter which one

[normal mist]

just go slow and use brann healer

[pearl steppe]

yeah i figured to use healer would make sense

ill try earthcrawl i think that's an easier one

[cedar flicker]

for me delves with PUG is better than solo, more fun no speepy

[subtle tundra]

@midnight mist why are you so bad and complaining about outlaw?
rank 3 rogue is outlaw

[normal mist]

true. Usually works if you can do it with friends, but as all things, people will judge your ilvl and you might not get invited

[midnight mist]

Because I can't play outlaw with Aug

Otherwise I would be playing outlaw rn

Next tier tho

My tank told me he had enough of Aug

So I can play the game again ez

[pearl steppe]

did mycomancer and was pretty easy

scavenger hunt one so i could dodge a bunch of stuff with stealth

[normal mist]

Good job friend

Slow and steady is the best way in delves

[upbeat marsh]

okay so bare with me.. this is speed´s talent build. could someone explain to me what my man is cooking up there with imp wound poison and superior mixture? i might be lost but i dont see the point i guess

[crystal oxide]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sharp viper]

maybe I just don't know but atm I'm not aware of any dungeon requiring healing reduction or super powerful slows?

[frosty bridge]

you just lose iron stomach and cheaper kidney shot, 70% might be useful in some pulls i guess? because tanks do have to kite from time to time, and i think its the strongest slow there for the meta specs and its 100% uptime

[pearl steppe]

is there any reason to save undercoin

or should i just blow it on coffer keys

[frosty bridge]

but yeah the cost of taking it is very low

[pearl steppe]

also does anyone know why sometimes shadowstep puts you on the opposite side of the target and flips you around

and sometimes it puts you on top or in front of them and keeps you facing the same way?

it's driving me nuts

cause sometimes it flips my camera and sometimes it doesnt

[snow quest]

Surely they will uncap bf next tier as well

[spice surge]

They uncap blade flurry but keep nimble flurry capped

The blizzard classic

[midnight mist]

sub has way to do uncapped damage already tho

[earnest remnant]

so does outlaw

play blade rush

bozo

[midnight mist]

do you know the damage br does

[earnest remnant]

did you know the dmg BP did before it got buffed by almost 60%?

[midnight mist]

alright let me dig up a log

one sec

[spice surge]

Turns out a spell does more damage when you buff it by 60%

[midnight mist]

this pull is probably the biggest pull we ever did since sl idk

this is br damage on this pull

br would probably need a 500% buff before it does actual damage

[grim jay]

had to double check if I had to wash my hands

but I didnt click on outlaw

[midnight mist]

also br doesnt do st damage

contrary to say sec tech

who is already your hardest st hitting finisher

that just happens to also cleave

idk how much you would nmeed to buff br rn

for it to be a real spell

it hasnt been a real spell since i started the gameanyway

[earnest remnant]

well go back in time and sectech did do anything either

only became remotely useful in DF and beyond

before that was 2 expansions of it being unuseable

[midnight mist]

idk how that would ever work with outlaw

we cant have one spell doign 40% of our damage

[earnest remnant]

well you can

just up the cd on it

[midnight mist]

sure lets have a 5 min cd

[earnest remnant]

everything can be balanced

[midnight mist]

make it 10 maybe

[earnest remnant]

or up the dmg on BR and lower other stuff

lots of ways of doing it

[midnight mist]

xdd

that sounds fun

[earnest remnant]

well it wont change the feel that way

[midnight mist]

[earnest remnant]

only your numbers on your screen from sinister strike or bte or dispatch doing less relative to BR

so

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

Brother we need a buff to everything before u can make such a change

We’re way behind dps wise

[earnest remnant]

it was a hypothetical -.-

[winged sun]

Well if u want a real fix to blade rush

Its competing against weird talents that we purposely asked realz to place and its not in a place where its competitive against other skills

Things are just all over the place (not that its a bad thing) the gameplay is good rn

Br doesnt need to be there fk that skill anyway

It always felt like crap to press

Charges you for no reason

O im trying to remember and this came across my mind

Br was always the button to press just to press another button just because it gave energy

[earnest remnant]

again it was just a hypothetical how you could make it a relevant button in the game by redistribute dmg elsewhere in the kit

personally i dont care, cuz to me the spec is dead in any serious raiding content until the spec is reworked

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-man-with-glasses-walking-into-court-room-stan-twt-stan-twitter-staring-into-camera-gif-765101783113654943

[gusty mirage]

Won’t happen, anytime they try addressing the way the spec plays outlaw players melt down about it and blizzard gets emailed like 8 change.org petitions

[earnest remnant]

so true bestie

[gusty mirage]

I wasn’t a fan when assa became poison blade flurry but that was the way they addressed it being dogshit in keys, I much preferred multi dotting personally. It is what it is

[earnest remnant]

BF type mechanics

are a mistake

its so boring

[winged sun]

@midnight mist

[midnight mist]

that looks troll

[winged sun]

?

well u can play MA but drop sudden demise

play subterfuge but 1 lethality

unless u need 2x vanish

bro dont drop ttk in mists

[midnight mist]

why

[winged sun]

u kinda want st in mists

fk bleeds

[midnight mist]

i think varas told me suden demise was more st than most talents anywya

[winged sun]

is it more than ttk?

[midnight mist]

idk

[winged sun]

ye ttk 2.4% ahead @midnight mist

on st

sd would be troll tbh

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tciV8ELHWs51tT6ay1ZNsi

why do i call it sudden doom but u get the point

make sure u have vanish for burst phase

[midnight mist]

idk

there is too many builds in this shit spec

and i dont know how it works

so

[winged sun]

just play the usual

you'll know what works later once u play alot

double vanish

twist the knife

[midnight mist]

i still dont

know

i have no idea

i just wanan play outlaw

[winged sun]

took me a while to understand the spec too

like

im yet to see someone play the spec perfect

its not that easy

like

even speed makes mistakes

in m+ alot of shit happens and the spec is filled with minmaxes in aoe

just drop lethality for 2x vanish

ur probably not used to keeping that mark well

gonna take u a rly long time to get used to it

[sweet elk]

Random question - If I have improved garrote and it's used from stealth for the +50% dmg bonus, I know we are supposed to reapply under 6 seconds left, does it "snap shot" the 50% extra dmg for the 6 seconds or does it override it?

[grim jay]

overwrite

you let the imp run out

[sweet elk]

Thanks

[royal lantern]

oh god i forgot the change.org petitions

actual clowns

[royal lantern]

why do you play ttk and then not dashing

and why pick sanguine blades if you go ttk (which means you want a bit more focus dmg) when sanguine is literally a ST dmg down

[grim jay]

I play TTK without dashing aswell tho

[royal lantern]

TTK without dashing feels kinda waste tbh

like, if you take the double envenom talent, why not pick the follow up talent which gets a actual noticable impact on your energy in ST then

• Sanguine Blade is still bad for ST in m+

[grim jay]

ye I dont take SB either

but there are just numerically better things than dashing

[royal lantern]

bro it assa m+

the ultimate "pick by vibes" spec

[winged sun]

Whats dashing im not on pc

[grim jay]

yeah but there isnt really anything to drop

for dashing

unless i wanna drop sbs

[winged sun]

Wtf is dashing

[grim jay]

which is kinda ew

[royal lantern]

in his pic, literally SB

[royal lantern]

the talent under tkk bozo

[grim jay]

well he plays without MA

[winged sun]

I told u im not on pc

U see me a quantum computer

[grim jay]

which is weirdge

I dont

[winged sun]

I cant remember it

[royal lantern]

envenom increases poion crit chance by 5%, every poison crit gives 2 energy

which is 10% with ttk

[winged sun]

wtf i never saw anyone play it in keys

[royal lantern]

welcome to assa

where people pick random hit

it doessnt really matter much

[hearty reef]

Cause you have to give up shit

Like sbs

[winged sun]

Well why are u asking about it i think its useless in aoe

[royal lantern]

and then other follow it

[royal lantern]

if you play ttk, you allready go kinda more for focus dmg allready

[winged sun]

Its more than enough tbh

U need alot of aoe still

[royal lantern]

and ye

[winged sun]

U cant go full prio

[royal lantern]

change anguine blades with master asssassin

that is a nobrainer

[frozen jasper]

yo anyone know how to turn off or move that shit in plater?
i cant seem to find an option for that

[winged sun]

Full prio is bad anyways

[grim jay]

did you see people play supercharger in m+ tho

[winged sun]

Target dies before ur cd ends

And other mobs live

Not rly a time saver u know

[winged sun]

Ye

[royal lantern]

full prio i bad until m+ brains decided that full prio is the only thing that matterss

[winged sun]

I will play it abit

[royal lantern]

you know its true man

[winged sun]

?

We have super high prio already how far do u want to go

[royal lantern]

i read "aoe is more important" and "actually prio/st is more important" every week

[winged sun]

No

[royal lantern]

can those guyss actually decide for once

[winged sun]

Going for dashing would be extremely overkill it doesnt make sense

One thing btw

I noticed in keys

U see how outlaw was, the better u play the higher ar uptime and rtb buffs are better

Which appears always the best players have the best rng

Assa has the same in a way where the better u play the more ur gonna nuke ur prio mob

[royal lantern]

its called Deathmark because you use it on a enemy and it dies in 4 sseconds because suddenly everyone decides to use their cds on it

[winged sun]

Depends on how low the key ur doing i guess

[hearty reef]

Prio is mark on a guy and press enevenom, wheres skill expression for that?

Maybe not dropping below 5 scent?

[royal lantern]

tf do you mean with that rn

[hearty reef]

Zeross said it

Theres skill expression in prio dmg for sin

[worldly dock]

Guys any of you use some Wa to track on how many targets you have garrote and rupture?

[snow quest]

I made myself one that checks if I have 5+ rupture that are not in refresh range during IC

[worldly dock]

mind sharing it?

[snow quest]

Also checks if there's actually any targets in range that would get rupture if I press it

I'd rather not but can explain how I made it

[worldly dock]

well i cant do alone WA 😄

got brain dmg 🙂

[snow quest]

Good skill to learn

[native fossil]

speed is potato rogue bro

[next forum]

Why my crimson always end up on top of my caustic in pulls?
PD: sorry for my english

[slate crown]

You shouldn't need to worry about how many garrotes are out.

For rupture, the Scent of Blood buff has a stack counter on it, you can just look at that.

If you really want number of targets, create a trigger for Aura-> Debuff -> Nameplate (Or Multi-target) -> Rupture [Own Only], then on the display tab create a Text object, and set the text to %1.matchCount where "1" is the trigger number for the trigger previously described. But, as I said, think about if you really need this or if simply looking at Scent of Blood is enough.

And as tobfon said, good skill to learn. I would honestly recommend going through the above steps even if you don't need it just so you can learn some of the building blocks of WA, just as an exercise. It's a pretty straightforward aura with a slight twist on it

[violet berry]

I’m assuming your doing keys where things are dying too fast

[signal turtle]

How many combo points do you try to put behind each rupture to get the 5 Scent of Blood stacks? Probably as few as possible to start hammering prio target asap?

[tepid breach]

or because you spam ct instead of caustic your prio target/miss uptime on it

[storm hedge]

5+