assassination

[midnight mist]

why

[humble verge]

7 mobs

[midnight mist]

the 2 packs on the right are already packed

[humble verge]

that can cast

actually

nvm 8

[midnight mist]

and the one on the left is 2 big that yo assing people on

and then a singular caster that need to be brought in

you arent helping stacking this pack idk

[humble verge]

you arent playing this pack?

[midnight mist]

i am

i just explained to you wdym

[humble verge]

without iron wire?

having 8 casters

[midnight mist]

what ?

[humble verge]

silenced

for a good while really helps

i still dont get your argument for not picking IW

[inland escarp]

Is 5 seconds a good while though?

[midnight mist]

the only real casters on this pack are the speakers

[humble verge]

for you

[midnight mist]

the pack is also already packed on pull

for me ?

[humble verge]

to atleast spam garrote a couple of times

[midnight mist]

wdym for me

[humble verge]

for your other dps

to start their openers

[midnight mist]

what

[humble verge]

ah whatever

i guess nothing comes through

you can just ignore what i say

dont run IW

[midnight mist]

i dont understand your words

[humble verge]

and i dont understand what or why youre subtituting out iron wire

[midnight mist]

cause you can just get damage instead of a useless talent

[subtle tundra]

you can say whatever you want ill still play it\

[humble verge]

honestly

if i were to swap IW

for like SB

[midnight mist]

That pack is also prolly the worse example in the dungeon you could have picked no cap

[humble verge]

the damage would be negligent

and wouldnt matter

[midnight mist]

The pack is already stacked on pull

[humble verge]

ehh

most of the time the patrol could be all over

imo

[subtle tundra]

i also love helping my little tank

dmg dr + less casts on him

[midnight mist]

And there is 3 important casters that you have to assign anyway, that are solo kicked

And then it's a few mostly irrelevant casters that can be kicked with random kicks + AOE ccs

Iron wire also does almost nothing on pull since mobs are already silenced by paladin

So in the end you don't do shit in that pull idk

[subtle tundra]

problem with the random casters is that if they double cast on someone, they can die

[midnight mist]

I don't see the point

[humble verge]

3 important casters being the void infection and?

[midnight mist]

What

[humble verge]

which casters

[midnight mist]

The important casters are the one that do the AOE thing lol

[humble verge]

youre right there tbh

[midnight mist]

The rests can be random kicked and do one cast every 10 min I don't get what a 5 sec silence on pull does honestly

[humble verge]

i get you

but i still wouldnt want to remove IW

[midnight mist]

Sure

I mean iw is a cool talent

If it was free I would take it

[humble verge]

cause i can tell you, people still somehow 3-stack 1 interrupt

[midnight mist]

I wasn't really talking about pugs tbf

[subtle tundra]

if you play sbs build, its like a 5% dps loss which is significant in high keys
so ill just play no sbs build in those keys, easy

🙂

[midnight mist]

No sbs

No wae I ever do that

Sbs Is goated

[subtle tundra]

sorry i dont need crutches

[tender sluice]

Hello there! Can anyone tell me in numbers, how much stat of each is recommended for assassination?

[subtle tundra]

im goated like that

[midnight mist]

I wish I was like you varas

But instead I decided to be an assa hater

[subtle tundra]

i dont wish i was like you

french

[midnight mist]

Real

[humble verge]

there are fr*nch people in here?

🤢

[subtle tundra]

lol... people..

[midnight mist]

They are mostly in outlaw channel

[humble verge]

no wonder your opinion was this vile

kappa

[midnight mist]

Yes

[late tusk]

Its raidbots having any issue? Im simming myself with an item 626 and the same in 639 and im loosing dps with the second one

[glacial stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIeERWCcc34&ab_channel=Whíspyr

[tawdry mica]

Check that you're not missing any enchant/gems in the new one

[tender sluice]

Thank you very much 🙂

[late tusk]

Ye, was the enchant, didnt realyzed

[subtle tundra]

@midnight mist

1.5% dps for iw im taking iw in stonevault

[midnight mist]

I will be killing mobs faster, thus saving one set of kicks at the end of packs, instead of at the start

[subtle tundra]

im going to france just to touch you

[midnight mist]

Wtf

[cloud marsh]

[royal lantern]

good thing that "france" is not a real place

[tepid breach]

Sup! spyglass 639 is simming better than crystal 626, maybe it's normal but, isn't better crystal for M+ tho?

[spice surge]

Not really no

Nothing wrong with spyglass

[tepid breach]

idk i see everyone playing crystal 626

instead of spyglass 639

with skardyn

[spice surge]

What makes you think everybody has gotten a 639 spyglass from their vault

Just lots of people reading the spyglass trinket and they assume you have to target and focus one mob constantly, when thats not the case at all

[tepid breach]

Fact, but they can't be that unlucky much sin in top rogue use both that why

maybe they all don't have spyglass 639

[pliant falcon]

Kind of a dumb question ik , but can you equip 2 of the same crafted ring?

[spice surge]

I mean i think crystal is better at eqaul ilvl

[crimson zephyr]

what are good settings for m+ in raidbots?

[spice surge]

But spyglass is fine, so +13 ilvls is good

[pliant falcon]

Not the embelished one

[tepid breach]

You still need to attack marked target to have the crit buff stacking tho

[patent elk]

Yeah the uptime is insane

[spice surge]

Earthern craftsmanship is not unique so you can have two yes

[spice surge]

Well ye, but it doesnt give a lot of stats

[pliant falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-thank-you-cat-kitten-cute-gif-15522342

[tawdry mica]

dungeon slice

if that's what you're asking

[wheat oxide]

is mastery vastly superior to crit or are they about even?

[crimson zephyr]

thanks

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[spice surge]

Haste slightly worse on aoe since energy is already saturated

[royal lantern]

and auto hits are not that good in aoe

[amber brook]

For mists first boss do you hold CDs for the break or just send it

[patent elk]

hold

in higher keys you can send solo kb when fight starts

[spice surge]

The damage amp is 200%, so you ideally want to have your stuff up for it

[placid radish]

yeah

you hold for damage amp

[spice surge]

Like kraus said you generally want to use kb on pull, but it also depends how fast youre expecting to phase it

Can use kb on the boss since the damage reduction isnt in place until like 30s into the fight or so

[vestal cliff]

Im blessed

[crimson zephyr]

so I currently have spyglass + ara kara trinkets (both hero) and I have mandate in my vault (hero). Sim says I should get a mythic pants and catalyze them and 100% upgrade them. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qL5bZc1UDkJB5JE83bTyV1

Even though simulation says pants, might it be a good idea to take the trinket anyway because atm I have two passive trinkets?

*pants = chest

[crimson zephyr]

congratulations and f* you 🙂

I don't think I'll get it this season

[vestal cliff]

thanks :)

if you see my other gear you hate me even more

i never got so lucky in wow like this season

[crimson zephyr]

I was lucky at start but then it stopped lol

[vestal cliff]

i have 4452 avoidance

my spyglass dropped with avoidance in my first vault

[spice surge]

AvoidanceGodX

[vestal cliff]

that me

[crimson zephyr]

I got spyglass 3th run or so, I just wanted to do a run with friends didnt intend to farm it.

the 3th row in vault only gives hero items?

[spice surge]

There is no way to get myth track from delves or world content no

[deep gyro]

Nope

[deep gyro]

At most

[amber brook]

Ty for the info guys

[round wadi]

Does the skardyn grace have a gcd?

[royal lantern]

no

[clever sapphire]

completly unrelevant info, but FECKIN FINALLY I GOT A MURLOC MOG

[neat lichen]

hey guys, if already have a 636 main dagger and a blood kukri 626 offhand, worth craft a offhand 636 or dps will be pretty much the same?

[acoustic roost]

Sim it

But generally off hand dps is irrelevant

[cloud marsh]

!sim

[crystal glen]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[clever sapphire]

Offhand dps is like 1% of your dmg if at all afaik

Its only there for the stats

[crystal helm]

Kinda same situation, unlucky raiddrops so no dagger there, what to craft? new ring? belt? back?

actually 2 crafts this week, got some saved up

[clever sapphire]

Probably sim, anything with mainstat is probably gonna be the bigges upgrade

You can insert crafted items in top gear if you want to look at specifics

[crystal helm]

i'll take a look at it, sec

results incoming

[clever sapphire]

But cloak/belt/shoes all gonna be the biggest gain

If i had to guess

[crystal helm]

yeah cloak was the biggest one, the offhand craft was barely anything "like you mentioned"

[clever sapphire]

If you are mythic raiding and reclearing, i would suggest waiting before crafting

In case a cloak/shoes drop

And you crafted

And now nobody needs it

[crystal helm]

True, btw are there any stat % to aim for? Might be a bit low on the haste/vers bit

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[slate crown]

no

get ilvl

otherwise do what the robit says

[crystal helm]

ty ty ty

[clever sapphire]

Who is robit

[slate crown]

🤖

[clever sapphire]

And why does he get to tell me what to do

[slate crown]

this mf didn't read the fine print

[crystal helm]

[slate crown]

[clever sapphire]

Reading is overrated

I prefer feelcrafting

I heard its well liked

Especially wheni argue with my feelcraft against whispyr

(Never done that, i dont have a death wish xD)

[slate crown]

Feelings are valid.

I respect a player with feelings

[torn mist]

is it fine to have a little bit haste ?

[acoustic roost]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[clever sapphire]

I never look at my stats, i just let Mr robit decide it for me

[weary spear]

Haste is generally better for ST and worse for AOE though, yeah?

[torn mist]

y

[spice spire]

GM

[ancient rain]

can rogues reset raid boss?

[clever sapphire]

I find it inconsistent af, so i just leave it to the hunter/mage

Dunno what im doing wrong

[placid radish]

it's about timing

you need to do it during the travel time of the projectile

[torn mist]

just remove poison & yes

[torn mist]

i think it poisons

[clever sapphire]

May be because of the poison true

I still dont wanna do it

So im not

I also stopped shrouding into boss, people kept prepulling

[deep gyro]

I’m on this boat

[clever sapphire]

They always press some dumb ability at like 2 secs

And think they gonna stay invis

[ancient rain]

how do i do it? idk never done it

[torn mist]

Poisoned Knife into vanish

[glacial stump]

Whats this tabard?

That pvp set is too good

[snow kindle]

arathi basin exalted

[crystal helm]

hehe, greeeeeen

been trying to find some good sets for that Prowler's snow mask but can't seem to colourmatch with it, has anyone made a good set with it?

[proper seal]

I see that the sim shivs before deathmark even when we're not running lightweight shiv. I thought the play was to shiv when kingsbane had 8 seconds left

[raw dock]

Guys, Feint isnt reducing damage taken from the Vomit of the Big guy before NW 3rd boss?

I'm using Elusiveness

Feinted it

The DOT is almost instantly and finished me

I'm 631 ilvl, and took 5,01M with feint @_@

In a NW +12

[spice surge]

Regular feint does not work no

Elusiveness does

[blazing warren]

Tbh 5m feels already reduced?

[raw dock]

Idk, is strange to think i would got insta killed in a +14 with feint

[spice surge]

Why is that strange

You have cloak and evasion too

[raw dock]

Should I cloak, then feint+evasion, then vanish (if I got targeted 3 times)?

[spice surge]

Pot to make sure youre full health beforehand

[crystal helm]

Are you sure that you have elusiveness talented and that it's not a visual bug when you change talents? I mean it should've procced cheat death if that was specced though

[spice surge]

But ye otherwise get externals

Thats life playing a squishy spec

[raw dock]

Yes I'm

[blazing warren]

Not even close says it does 9m damage on a 12

https://not-even-close.com/

But i probably read it a bit wrong

[spice surge]

6.8M on +12, its 9m on +15

[raw dock]

That's probably my bad, I was playing as mage

It's broken on defensives

[blazing warren]

Shows me 9m on a 12

[spice spire]

I have 6.8 yeah

[spice surge]

Its spew disease

Not heaving retch

[blazing warren]

Oh its Rotspew

My bad

[raw dock]

Play as mage made me relaxed on damage taken

[blazing warren]

Outlaw with 100% Feint uptime and Evasion every ~30s 🥳

[spice surge]

Outlaw and sub are both significantly more tanky than assa ye

[blazing warren]

Does Sub get any more defensive?

[spice surge]

10% hp shield and 10% dr

Not up all the time, but up a lot

[novel star]

sub has some overhealing shield thing

[blazing warren]

Dang that must be nice

[novel star]

yea

[blazing warren]

Outlaw also plays vers so that adds a little

[spice surge]

Ye and vers

[novel star]

but idk

just play assa and live anyway

[crystal glen]

anyone have a WA that shows EV window and deathmark reminder?

[ebon notch]

Guys what comes after garrote 1 and garrote 2?

[glacial stump]

Is Elusiveness worth running over cheat death?

[pure moth]

Yes

[glacial stump]

Oh damn

Never used it

[acoustic roost]

On mythic Kyveza for sure

[glacial stump]

in AOE?

[spice spire]

Garret 3

[spice spire]

Old meme iykyk

[glacial stump]

Oh

got me

[spice spire]

Let me bring context (musclebrah)

[slate crown]

yo don't leak our dms wtf

[spice spire]

Sorry queen

Mb

[elder kiln]

hey guys, 2 vanishes sims the highest in dungeon slice, yet icy veins doesn't recommend it, any idea why ? i'm new to assa been playing it less than a week and starting to touch some 14s

[spice spire]

An extra 2m cd in a 6m sim will sim well

It’s also fine to play

There’s like 700 builds

Wat is fine

[elder kiln]

aight thanks ! yeah i figured. I just tried a supercharger build instead but wasn't so sure

[slate crown]

You are both free in your talent selection and have no choices (because nothing seems to matter)

[arctic socket]

Test all the builds and run the one you like the best

Extra points if you pick up iron wire

[mellow sparrow]

How is Subtlety compared to the other specs in M+ after the buff?
in the 10-13 key range?

[elder kiln]

i run iw in gb sv cot, cause these seems to be heaviest in casters

[spice spire]

Death if you don’t ama

[slate crown]

This is the assassination channel.

But Sub is quite strong because of its single target output while still doing respectable aoe. Assa still does much more aoe, though.

[arctic socket]

Run iw everywhere

[spice spire]

(Mists is fine to skip)

[placid radish]

ethical gaming

[dawn heath]

do rings exist in this game?

we had to resort to this

[placid radish]

just do more siege of boralus

grim batol has a shit loot table

unless you want trinket from there too

[dawn heath]

i mean

they need to be myth track

so its not that easy

[zinc vortex]

i mean we get a sick ring soon from blizz

[dawn heath]

true

hopefully its good

[weary spear]

What ring

[zinc vortex]

the special one from the next content update. some thing with its own sockets

like the one from the isle in dragonflight if u played there

[manic coral]

is there any string to sim the different phials?

[main hemlock]

What are the optimal stats on rogue ? I have 15k crit 5k haste 15k mastery 2,3k vers

[spice spire]

Whatever the robot says is better

There’s no ideal peak

We like em all

[coral ibex]

!stats

https://tenor.com/view/chat-are-we-cooked-chat-are-we-cooked-gif-3488095719416147301

wake up moroes

[spice spire]

Yeah moroes is shleep

[coral ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

stats don’t matter just equip whatever the robot says does the most damage

[main hemlock]

yeah but I thought someone has a rough idea

because I got queen ring

hc

my robot says its worse than 626 haste/crit ring

so I was thinking to take queen ring and swift my crafted item stats to haste a bit more

[spice spire]

Do you have one ring gemmed and the other not

[main hemlock]

all gemmed

same gems

[spice spire]

Because I find that hard to believe otherwise since queen ring beats out all rings except a singular 639 for me currently

[main hemlock]

what stats do you have and trinkets

[spice spire]

I cannot tell you stats

And trinkets swap pending content

626 all, skardyns and then it’s either sac (st) spyglass (aoe) crystal (a lot of aoe)

[arctic socket]

@main hemlock post the sim

[austere inlet]

Guys, what do you think about assa fatebound? I saw few people playing it and it did not look bad at all. Coin flips hitting for 1m etc.

[slate crown]

Numbers wise it's stronger than DS in pure single target

it's also very brain-off

as soon as there's more than one target it falls behind

So, on Kyveza you can play fatebound np

[snow kindle]

so weird how its numbers are strong

but no ones done good dmg as compared to ds

[uncut dragon]

Is siphoning stiletto a trap? it sims up a percent but I feel like I'd be punching myself in the face everytime it came off cooldown

[snow kindle]

so many better crafts

[spice spire]

When you say it’s simming better

Do you currently have two embellishments when you sim

It’s just giving you a third

Which yeah does well

[uncut dragon]

unembellished at the moment

[drifting cloud]

well yes, shit embelishment > no embelishment

[spice surge]

Its worse than other embellishments

[winged sun]

[uncut dragon]

I should sim against everforged +embelish I guess

[winged sun]

need to change that ring

[drifting cloud]

just ignore the stiletto

[winged sun]

[drifting cloud]

its bad

[spice surge]

It also hits a random target, so even if it was decent on pure singletarget it would still be bad

[uncut dragon]

true but in raid usually there's only one target.

[spice surge]

Not really

[snow kindle]

theres only 2 ST bosses

just dont even worry bout it bro that shit is ass

lol

[spice surge]

Ye and kyveza has a achivement thing hidden in one of the braziers it can hit

[snow kindle]

so many better crafts

[spice spire]

HUH

That’s cursed

[spice surge]

You can also use it to get snd up before the boss or stack your ascendance

[uncut dragon]

So for my educatio, is there a way to use droptimizer to sime for profession equipment and add embellishments? I can't figure it out...

[spice surge]

Use topgear

[hardy dawn]

Guys what's ur go-to build for M+?

[mellow copper]

does anyone know if you can dwarf racial roots on ansurek ?

[drifting cloud]

you cant

[snow kindle]

gnome racial

[drifting cloud]

no need to race change to gnome with 1 set removed and hp of them nerfed twice already anymore tbh

[manic coral]

how to sim phial?

[frosty bridge]

Sim in Advanced, add the following:

copy=no_phial
flask=disabled

copy=flask_of_alchemical_chaos_random_stat
flask=flask_of_alchemical_chaos_3

copy=flask_of_tempered_aggression_crit
flask=flask_of_tempered_aggression_3

copy=flask_of_tempered_mastery
flask=flask_of_tempered_mastery_3

copy=flask_of_tempered_swiftness_haste
flask=flask_of_tempered_swiftness_3

copy=flask_of_tempered_versatility
flask=flask_of_tempered_versatility_3

[manic coral]

ty king

[gloomy spindle]

Hello, anywhere I can find bis trinkets ? sorry if wrong chan, didnt find in pins

[snow kindle]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/trinkets/castingpatchwerk

[normal mist]

Skardyns + a passive one

and you're good to go

[gloomy spindle]

i got skar + egg 639

[normal mist]

perfect

[gloomy spindle]

but in vault crystal of anub'

[normal mist]

sim

[gloomy spindle]

wouldnt be there if I would have no done it yet 😄

[spice spire]

[snow kindle]

character is always changing

their isnt really a perfect bis

[spice spire]

Every profile is different tho

[snow kindle]

if u want to find your current bis just hit the droptimizer

[nimble tartan]

guys i am a queenslayer now ty to the sin boys for helping me learn to never pool ❤️

[spice spire]

Np king

Hope you’re next OP pack has a god hit

[nimble tartan]

i hope so too mr comedy

[arctic socket]

@spice spire is swole yall look

[spice spire]

True

Me irl

[shy creek]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[shy creek]

LMFAO #2

Lisonna is goin thru it

[spice spire]

@slate crown you good big dog?

[slate crown]

oh yeah

that was late ptr I think

I was grasping at straws to make anything worth tracking for fatebound

[arctic socket]

I can feel pain in that sentence

[spice spire]

I’ve still yet to play fatebound

I am not bound by fate

[shy creek]

i just tried it

notp laying deathstalker mini game feels nice

but also deathstalker more engaging anyway

[shy creek]

Which leads to a good question

am I sacrficing vanish's MA for fatebound lucky coin?

[spice spire]

If you have a chance for whatever the 6-7 roll is yes

[slate crown]

At the time I made that WA, yes

Now, Quake said so so yes

[spice spire]

That’s what the apl says or did a month ago

[arctic socket]

@spice spire what does my apl say?

[sudden sigil]

Using naowhs WA package, anyone got a good tracker for the fan of knives proc afterr death mark?

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[slate crown]

!wa - LE Collection has a standalone Clear the Witness (the fok proc)

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

Idk let me run a sim on you rq

[cobalt sphinx]

are yall finna cop the candy cane daggers

[spice spire]

Finna?

Brother they claimed

[rotund oak]

💀

[spice spire]

APL is copied over

We’ve helped another homie

[sullen phoenix]

guys CT on ulg 1st boss with planty of other qoe stronk not worth right?

[spice spire]

I wouldn’t run Ct on ulgrax correct

[shadow ridge]

if anyone has time could someone take a look at my logs? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/tichondrius/zoroash#boss=2918. wanna see what i can improve, i feel like my dmg is so low for my ilvl

[spice spire]

On it

[crimson zephyr]

My kingsbane doesnt do enough dmg compared to other rouges in ST raid. What could be the reason for that?

same spec

[frosty bridge]

You are probably not doing something right, but gotta send a log for the specific reason

[crimson zephyr]

have tro do that later then but quit sure Im doing something wrong

[lavish geyser]

for onvinax we are running a decent bit of st and some aoe, im aoe. is this still a good build for aoe ovinax?

[radiant sorrel]

just play caustic

you should be ait

[spice spire]

Oh mythic you definitely want ct

[radiant sorrel]

ya dont listen to me

havent done Ovinax like in 2 months on mythic

[lavish geyser]

I have ct. Sometimes Im doing biiig dmg and sometimes im doing kinda mid dmg

do you care abt garrote being up for add phases? or just take caustic envenoms

[nimble vector]

the more your group fucks up the parasites the more damage you will do, it can be inconsistent

[tired girder]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice spire]

@shadow ridge

[lavish geyser]

wym? like the slower they kill em?

[nimble vector]

the slower they kill them, the more people get infested

[uneven plume]

yall think dawnthread x 2 vs dawnthread + ascension matters that much for M+?

or embels dont really matter

[lavish geyser]

pretty sure embellishments are kinda horrible this season

[uneven plume]

what do we sim for crit embel, 70%?

[nimble vector]

dawnthread x2 probably marginally better for m+, realistically it doesn't matter, all embellishments suck but if you have either of those you're fine

[elder reef]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[spice spire]

70-80

[misty bough]

my highest crit so far

[warm vortex]

Just busted all my CDs on sikran in execute and he targets me with a mechanic

fuck off

[slim hamlet]

real or fake chat?

[spice spire]

Real

Give it a couple of weeks of you and I’d say it changes

[slim hamlet]

[spice spire]

Sorry king I’m a hater

[slim hamlet]

I know, it's ok

[drowsy hemlock]

hey any good talent tree for 10 keys this week?

im new to rogue

[novel star]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

just import the hybrid build from wowhead

and vibe

no reason to make any changes to it in a 10

or ever really

but especially in a 10

[drowsy hemlock]

ok

[novel star]

[left abyss]

do you guys ever actively press tea for the mastery buff

feel likve ive completely forgotten about it now that it passively activates

[jaunty salmon]

hey guys quick question,
How do you sim for dung ? Dungeonslice or patcherk 5 targets ?

[cobalt sphinx]

dungeon slice works for assassination

[warm vortex]

Getting waves on rashnan is such a feelsbad

[shy creek]

Fan of knives does show up on there

I use it as well

[shy creek]

Yeah because it doesnt passively activate in AOE

[icy osprey]

for m+, is myth spyglass better than hero crystal? dno if dungeon slice is reliable enough

[placid radish]

sim

crystal should be around 0.3% better than spyglass at the same ilvl

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah spyglass is good

you can trust the sim

[warm vortex]

Ive had the first set of webs 4 piulls in a row

D:

[cobalt sphinx]

do they really make you run out with webs

[icy osprey]

is that raid or m+

if that makes any difference

[placid radish]

m+

sacbrood is pretty good in 1t

[warm vortex]

Yes

ive suggested the two webs in melee or to the side thing

But RL just says it's not a damage check and we have more than enough dps

[cobalt sphinx]

wacky and wild raid leading

just gonna make people tilted

[warm vortex]

Fair i could suggest it again

Cause rn it's like
Webs at the bacK
In the section where ou get to, one set from the direction we came from then one at the back

[cobalt sphinx]

he's right it's not a damage chec

[scenic nacelle]

Wait, you guys aren’t doing webs on Silken?

[warm vortex]

Ig
But it feels bad still X)

And rn people are wiping due to being stupid

Like people still get caught in the webs and such

[scenic nacelle]

Oh rash 🙂

[nimble tartan]

hes right webs in the back no reason in the front

u want to make sure all the web guys stick together in the back away from the raid anyways

give ur raid room to move around freely

[spice surge]

Well might as well go to the right

You wouldnt be out there anyway

[nimble tartan]

think we did like first webs in the back then we did left or right for all of em

[spice surge]

Just like you wouldnt be in the back

[coral ibex]

hey vend did you have a good vault?

[warm vortex]

Crit/haste ring

pretty sure ill be at like

15/20% haste X)

Funny thing is me and my hunter got the exact same devouted zelot ring

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah if you take webs to the side, you can have like 2 or maybe 3 people in melee range still

[warm vortex]

I literally just had the first set and second set

[novel star]

i just macro it to shiv so like technically yes but not really

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[novel star]

can you do webs to the side on first set

[warm vortex]

They just said we arent going for parses so put webs out of range :(

[novel star]

[novel star]

yea i mean idk they’re right but it’s also a lazy and annoying mindset

optimization is good

[shy creek]

Does anybody know why rash and brood don't count for allstar points on WCL

I get why brood doesn't

but rash?

[coral ibex]

better than a socket

[warm vortex]

Yea

[coral ibex]

i got a haste/mast ring

[novel star]

rashanan adds are dropped outside of spatter range for most players

so it’s not really like

fair

[shy creek]

heroic not mythic

But i guess they'd apply the same filter to both

even if it doesnt make sense

[left abyss]

tty

[novel star]

would assume same shit

[warm vortex]

But yea W/E

just a bit annoying tbh

[novel star]

is this the same guild that is using dkp in 2024

[warm vortex]

Yes

[novel star]

rough

sounds like a very unenjoyable place

to raid in

[storm hedge]

when did they fix recuperator

[shy creek]

it was broken?

LMAO

[storm hedge]

For like 4 years yea

[scenic nacelle]

Recuperator? More like Repooperator

[indigo cradle]

why subterfurge+double vanish is simming like 150k more dps than supercharger for me? Trying to figure out what pumped this difference in the full sim html report but can't figure out.

[warm vortex]

Meh

I enjoy the people

and otherwise raiding is fine

[spice surge]

Longer IC, longer MA some extra cleaves with bleeds for spawned packs etc

But if its looking like that for ST youve done something silly with your other talents

[indigo cradle]

asking about dungeon slice sim

think I'm figuring out

[spice spire]

It’s a 6m sim

[indigo cradle]

almost 50k+ only on garrotes

[spice spire]

With an extra 2m cd

It’s going to sim well

[indigo cradle]

good point

[spice spire]

I’m not a wat detractor

But that’s why

[indigo cradle]

change the sim time could make it more fair?

like a bigger time

[coral ibex]

what are you trying to accomplish by doing so

[indigo cradle]

trying to figure out if get subterfurge + double vanish will really raise my dps or if its all about utility

[spice surge]

Why are you confused that it gives you dps

[coral ibex]

is there any reason a dungeon slice for a longer time would be any more or less representative than a shorter time?

[spice spire]

I mean it definitely gives you dps but I assume you mean vs supercharger

[coral ibex]

did you read the replies about improved garrote and master assassin?

[spice surge]

You get more spreaded bleeds, more garrotes and more crit from MA

[indigo cradle]

yes and I printed some evidences about it

things are more clear now

[coral ibex]

so why would you think it’s only utility

[spice spire]

Most of the leg work is on you the player to figure out which is best for you and the content you do. Pisslow tens I run wat all day

Again

[coral ibex]

i’m confused

[indigo cradle]

bcz the time factor on sim could make it unfair

[spice spire]

Think they’re comparing dps vs supercharger build

Not just

[coral ibex]

why do you think that

[spice spire]

“Does it give dps”

Because obviously it does

[spice surge]

You can just not pick without a trace

[indigo cradle]

you are not trying to help with such kind of questions. plz just ignore me

[spice spire]

One extra in 6m vs 2-3 extra in 30m

[spice surge]

And replace it with 1 lethality

Often sims higher

[spice spire]

Is a big diff

[coral ibex]

more damage is more damage tho

[spice spire]

Again

[coral ibex]

you can set it to any length and WAT gives you another vanish cast

[spice spire]

He’s asking
Vs supercharger specific if it would be more damage

[spice surge]

Without a trace is not the powerful point

[spice spire]

Yeah

Wat is a crutch for pugs and silliness

But it does have benefits

[indigo cradle]

What u mean about trace @spice surge

[runic hinge]

Mostly a crutch for my death stalkers mark

[spice surge]

What

[spice spire]

Without a trace is the double vanish talent

[indigo cradle]

ah

[spice spire]

He’s saying drop that keep the subterfuge and add lethality point

[indigo cradle]

LOL

[spice spire]

Often higher sim

[indigo cradle]

sorry

[spice spire]

All good

3 people speaking to you at once

It’s normal for the sauce to get lost sometimes

[indigo cradle]

😄

[coral ibex]

longer dslice would probably just make MA better anyway? it would have to add more mobs to the sim

[spice spire]

It also adds more st periods and more cleave iirc.
It’s just a % of aoe cleave and st conglomerated into a sim

That’s why it’s a tool for comparing builds and gear. But there’s no perfect definition

If it were we’d have the perfect build for everything and the six comparable. Instead of the 700 potentials

[coral ibex]

if it does all that in the same proportions then duration wouldn’t matter right?

[spice spire]

Yeah it still matters

Because again

An extra cd in 6m

Is more damage

Than 2/3 in 30

[stark scroll]

Anyone got a bot that auto marks and kicks worms on broodtwister so I dont have to use focus macros

[spice spire]

Which in practical use is what you’re likely to yield

[indigo cradle]

I have that combination saved as well. Will try it. What the main beneficts of subterfurge alone? aditional ambushes?

[spice spire]

Additional spreading for big thiccy pulls + ma

[spice surge]

#assassination message

[spice spire]

Sorry king

I just wanted to be the smart one

[indigo cradle]

MA + Subterfurge "stack"? will be like 12 + 6?

[coral ibex]

yes but no

[spice surge]

Its 12s with subterfuge

6s without

[coral ibex]

you’re looking at the master assassin talent with subterfuge

which adds 6+6

[spice surge]

Or well 6 + 3 * subterfuge points

[indigo cradle]

its says 12 seconds

[coral ibex]

un talent subterfuge

check again

[indigo cradle]

OH

lol

nice

everything is more crystal clear now

you guys own

[spice spire]

Good luck Vitoria

[indigo cradle]

ty ty

[coral ibex]

[warm vortex]

Our tanks keep getting hit by the frontal

Is there any way to like

Change where the green pools in rash

because they keep going in bad spots

[snow kindle]

dont run to the boss too early

[warm vortex]

How so?
Im more talking about after the 2nd move

Like how do the green pool things spawn

[snow kindle]

player location

[warm vortex]

The green stuff?
So it goes on players?

[snow kindle]

in their general location yes

like the swirlies right

[coral ibex]

the cum lines??

that’s wild

just move 4head

[warm vortex]

They have finished yea

[warm vortex]

The gree3n swirls and the yellowish ones yes

[crimson zephyr]

I have 2 passive trenkts: ara kara and spyglass. In my vault is mandate trinket and mythic chest I simmed with 363. it says I should get the chest but I figured maybe it's better to have an on use trinket? Not sure how much the sim takes the on use in right time into account?

[graceful solstice]

Ideally you would have an one use(skardyns/transmitter), but mandate isn’t the type of on use you align with cooldowns anyway. If sim says chest trust that

[crimson zephyr]

ok thanks

[graceful solstice]

Chest is a LOT of stats

[cobalt sphinx]

no the second move is annoying because you get green pools in your soak

people just have to position properly

it's funny how many deaths are from acid pools

[crimson zephyr]

by how much is the gilded crest max increased?

[warm vortex]

Yea

was just wondering if we could prevent it in any way

[novel star]

don’t think so

just adapt

[acoustic roost]

90 per week

[novel star]

[brave comet]

should i run cleave or single target on queen?

spatter or no spatter?

[novel star]

spatter

lots of important adds

internal bleeding is like

a really really bad talent

any time you can drop it for any reason

you want to

[proven jasper]

1-2%

[novel star]

poggers

deal like 2.5% spatter damage and outvalue ib including its lethal dose stack(i think )

game sucks

[spice spire]

Damn

[proven jasper]

Goodge talent

[novel star]

what’s wrong quake

[proven jasper]

think he just saw my dm

Hes impressed

😉

[novel star]

holy guac

[proven jasper]

Sent him my log

If u catch my drift

[spice spire]

Nah my dms barren

No bitches ass mf ya feel me

[novel star]

That’s the leveling zone

[proven jasper]

LMAO

[spice spire]

I’m going to eat ur ass Oliver

[proven jasper]

that was good

[spice spire]

[novel star]

please

[proven jasper]

[spice spire]

[novel star]

[spice spire]

Why does this not work on anyone

[novel star]

idk

freaky channel

[proven jasper]

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/jiminoreo-gif-4884042028109983039

You mfs

[novel star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1050736825578299402/1263853784006656151/SaveTwitter.Net_GStsij9W8AITMmpgif.gif

[spice spire]

Me fr

Last time I posted anything (my wrist) it was joever for me

[coral ibex]

full quake reveal when

[novel star]

full frontal

[spice spire]

Here? Never

U mfs can’t be normal

Several people have seen my ugly mug tho

[novel star]

Rude

i’m very normal

[spice spire]

[novel star]

[warm vortex]

Yea we had like 1 h 30min no rash'nan kill

Max was 18% :(

[spice spire]

It ain’t worth anyway big dog

Rough

[novel star]

rashanan is omega scripted if like

everyone just does their job

but

[warm vortex]

Yea people are just dying to webs n shit

either overlapping it or like

just getting caught in webs or dying to damage

IDk

We have like 25 wipes on it in total

[novel star]

how can you have ur rl yappin about we don’t need damage so take the webs far out

but still die to webs

[warm vortex]

Because people are stupid

He calls it every time and like

20 pulls in

people still go in shit places

Like mainly on bridge

at start its fine

[novel star]

[warm vortex]

But after 2nd move when he says to go to the side

Some people just go to the other side
Near the end it was getting fine but like

it's annoying

[novel star]

i mean

[warm vortex]

Also we are having pulls where tanks just

die

[novel star]

yeah idk

[warm vortex]

like double stack or triple stack of the thing

[novel star]

it’s not even a thing that should need any raid leading

you just take the webs toward the entrance

wow players just suck idk

[warm vortex]

Yea

NVm we got 11

But this was what it was like tonight

[novel star]

[sudden sigil]

Can anyodne go over my sikran log and pin point where i can improve by any chance?

[spice spire]

Hi

[sudden sigil]

haha hi comedy

[sudden sigil]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6Mz93PQRcfjhAxJV#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=26

[spice spire]

I’m him

Post it

[warm vortex]

But yea i like my guild
Just wish mythic prog was better tbf

[weary spear]

We pug’d first 4 in 2 hours last night 😵‍💫

[novel star]

this is just the game unfortunately

[weary spear]

Best pug I’ve had tho so maybe an anomaly

[novel star]

u must choose between group with good vibes or group who is good at the game

i mean not necessarily always black and white but yeh

make a sacrifice to get a better guild or make a sacrifice to play with ur friends

either way ur saccin

[coral ibex]

you get to choose 2 of 3 for your raid team

same schedule
chill players
relatively equal skill

[novel star]

yeah lol

[warm vortex]

Yea

[coral ibex]

hitting all 3 is SSSS rarity

[novel star]

i think i’m alr at the point where i’m choosing to give up chill players

my rank must climb…

i’m too degenerate

[coral ibex]

im at the point where if you grind my gears ill just leave

[warm vortex]

Like I’m friends with the people, they are fun to hang out and chat with but just eh

[coral ibex]

i have limited free time, im not gonna spend it getting mad at some trog on discord who can't figure out a mech after enough pulls

[novel star]

can also always like stay around the group for m+ / social shit

and get better guild just to game without pulling ur hair out

but that’s more effort

[novel star]

i thought this meant socially

[warm vortex]

Yeye true

[novel star]

but yeah i agree

[warm vortex]

Plus I’d feel kinda scummy just ditching the guild for raiding

[novel star]

annoying i’m in that spot mentally already in my first tier tho i dont have the logs i need

[coral ibex]

yea either way, no sense in wasting my limited free time getting mad at a stranger over wow

and being chill is a huge buff

[novel star]

I mean idk i think if you explained it then real homies would understand

[coral ibex]

big diff between chill guy who doesn't know he's fucking up and chill guy who is just the slowest progger

[novel star]

if they get mad at you for wanting to just be friends but raid somewhere else

they were prob using u anyway

fuck em

[coral ibex]

thats a good point

if they genuinely care about you (xd) they'll let you raid somewhere else that makes you happy

[novel star]

[coral ibex]

many guilds just see raiders as chess pieces tho

[warm vortex]

Oh they deffo don’t DW
I haven’t asked yet and tbf idk if I can leave with uni changin time each semester

Like rn I’m not home late Tuesday and Thursday

[spice spire]

Yeah and if they bully you

Take their mothers out to a nice seafood dinner and never call them again

[novel star]

[spice spire]

Sup

[warm vortex]

They don’t at all

DW :D

[spice spire]

Good

[coral ibex]

ask them if their mother still hangs around dockside bars

https://youtu.be/fw28i991-f4?si=rF-Dp3HFTd_75dHD

[normal mist]

didn't do a single key for 3(?) weeks, did a +8 NW just now

best overall i ever had

[warm vortex]

If I can’t find someone via searching in wow logs

But I have a log they were included in

How can I get to their profile

[spice spire]

They’re probably private

You can go to their guild

And pull them up likely

If they raided with them previously

[novel star]

i just type in the url manually if i know their realm

[spice spire]

It’s been a bit since I’ve been that much of a hater tho

Can also do that

[coral ibex]

[warm vortex]

How can I find their guild if I don’t know their realm n such

[spice spire]

Raider.io?

[warm vortex]

Can’t find them on Rio

[spice spire]

[coral ibex]

how recent is the log

[warm vortex]

Abberus

XD

[spice spire]

Oh Jesus man

[coral ibex]

its possible they've name changed or literally deleted the character lol

[worldly sail]

hire a stalker to find them

[loud dome]

I raided with a guild throughout Amyrdrassil and I switched classes doing into tww, was more rusty than I expected and my pc was crapping out so they cut me completely, not benched, just cut 🥲

[novel star]

oof

[stark scroll]

how do i add gems to these sockets for sim

[novel star]

at the bottom of the page there’s a big gems section

you select multiple and it sims all the combinations

[warm vortex]

Meh idk Ithink ill sleep on it

[loud dome]

I got a new pc and have just been doing m+ but idk if I should stay for s2 or no. Being cut was really crappy but finding a guild is a bitch

[warm vortex]

Another problem is, idk how available I’d be with my uni times changing a lot

[loud dome]

And Amyrdrassil was so much fun, I forgot how fun it can be (even Tindral)

[novel star]

that’s your decision legend

if you enjoy the game then keep playing

recruiting is easier near the end/start of a patch

right now is kinda the slums

[warm vortex]

Yea, idk tho
I’m being brutally honest
If we raid 2 times a week, every week until 10.1
I think we will get furthest 5/8
MAYBE 6/8

[novel star]

if ur getting kicked for lacking performance on the class though then idk, gotta hit target dummies

it’s boring but it’s good

[novel star]

if you continue struggling on rashanan i don’t know about getting past ovinax tbh

that boss is a mega wall still

mentally

50 weakauras

[loud dome]

No I was doing bad, super underestimated how long it will take me to shake the rust off after not playing the class for over two years

[novel star]

i mean it’s also just changed a lot

it’s never going to be exclusively rust

wow is a patch game

things change

if you take a break you have to sit there and relearn

2 years is a long time

[loud dome]

I was just bummed that I didn’t get benched for a chance to get back on after raiding with them for a whole tier

[novel star]

that’s kinda lame tho yea

[runic hinge]

Wish they’d patch in me being good at the game

[coral ibex]

check your available downloads king just flagged your acc

[loud dome]

It’s funny I did sub for last 3 bosses in Amyrdrassil and now I’m playing Assa right…when I go to try sub to maybe not deal with my shammy and dk friends blowing up my KB target in weekly 10s - I swear to god I feel like have no idea what’s happening 😂

[runic hinge]

[stark scroll]

We are on the ovinax wall rn, easily one tapping first 4 in about 20 minutes. two day raiding guildl

[warm vortex]

Thought about it and thinking of just staying
Tbf it’s only one night so far at rash”Nan

[undone flame]

oh lol i coude not find the discord cuz of the new logo

so do i only use Skardyn's Grace with DM or shoude i use it a bit befor?

[limber lion]

Dm

Macro it together

[undone flame]

okay i wil just macro it then

[novel star]

Yea the difficulty jump from 4->5 this raid is real bad

[stark scroll]

It's not even to bad tbh

[novel star]

same man

[bright turret]

Atleast it has the benefit of the first 4 being easy to pug

[stark scroll]

I'm just pissed I'm first in kick order and crying my ass off

[bright turret]

2 vault slots

[warm vortex]

So yea, I think even if we end up being 4/8 I’ll stay

[stark scroll]

I think I will skip sac in vault grab a kukri

Just to piss people off

[loud dome]

That’s the rogue spirit

[cobalt sphinx]

If you are regularly killing BBH you’re basically guaranteed to get a kukri

As soon as it drops

[stark scroll]

Yup but I have to wait till Friday

I could get the kukri now

Although sac would be nice for outlaw

[novel star]

sac is good for assa too

[stark scroll]

But I've been sin for three months

[novel star]

and you can just craft a dagger

[stark scroll]

I have crafted dagger

I want braces

[novel star]

then why do you care about kukri at all

offhand ilvl sucks balls

take the trinket

[stark scroll]

I need vers

[novel star]

no you don’t

[blissful pecan]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[stark scroll]

I have 2%

[novel star]

doesn’t matter

[blissful pecan]

when can i get skardins

[stark scroll]

Yeah it does

[warm vortex]

Btw what do you guys all do
Mythic, heroic, normal ext

[stark scroll]

I need more

[novel star]

nope

[novel star]

says who

[stark scroll]

Me

[novel star]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[stark scroll]

And

Those are recommendations

[spice spire]

That +700 vers will save you king don’t let them gaslight you

(It wont)

[novel star]

mhm

and why do you think they’re incorrect

[stark scroll]

I don't I just have a build in mind and need kukri to fulfill it

[novel star]

..?

you have a build in mind that involves getting higher vers

why and how

[runic hinge]

He’s building a 69% verse set for sure

[novel star]

this would be based

[stark scroll]

That would be based

[hollow gazelle]

I have a very strange situation with vault. I can get a new 639 trink but replace 626 grace. or get a non bis ring thats 639 and replace a 626 ring. Do i just stay at a lower il even though i could go up one?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tx6PRCWAcn5yYXTTGi5vX6

[novel star]

bis is fake and doesn’t matter

take the item that sims highest

[cobalt sphinx]

idk if id be replacing skardyns

unless you really love transmitter or something

[novel star]

well yeah but dropping skardyns is very unlikely to sim high

so

[stark scroll]

Hold up

[hollow gazelle]

its like 1% difference

[novel star]

following the sim wont make you drop skardyns

[stark scroll]

Siphoning stiletto is crazy

Hahahaha

[novel star]

no it’s really bad actually

[stark scroll]

No that he is using it

[novel star]

oh on that guys sim

[cobalt sphinx]

is it saying the ring is a loss

[novel star]

yeah unlucky

[stark scroll]

Yeah WTF

[novel star]

doesnt matter too much

[hollow gazelle]

this is my alt and havnt been gearing it that long havnt had to much luck with weapons