assassination

[balmy condor]

forget it

[waxen oyster]

not sure if certain racials would put one belt over another

in a bis profile for example

[balmy condor]

also what's the definition of bis for assa

am I supposed to make my bis list

for fatebound?

[waxen oyster]

yes

[balmy condor]

cause that's better in single target

[waxen oyster]

[balmy condor]

just a huge fucking headache man

no matter what I throw in that list

it's so doomed

[gloomy heart]

boom or doom

[balmy condor]

could make it the best fatebound list, but that's not really what people play, and also what even is "best" and it doesn't matter until you have every slot at 639 and have access to alternate 639s to swap in and out so like is that really a thing I should be recommending? Does the list hold any value?

probably not

and yet they make me do one every patch

I hate SEO

[waxen oyster]

I need a 5target 40s sim

bis

[viral stump]

Well, if "class discord chats" are, by definition, full of people who think it's ok to belittle others who ask simple questions, enjoy your circle jerk.

[waxen oyster]

[balmy condor]

who is belittling you

we're having a conversation about the irrelevancy of bis lists

[waxen oyster]

also said theres a note on the “bis list”

[balmy condor]

can you point me towards the belittling

[waxen oyster]

of why knife is where it is

[agile kestrel]

Can orbs on MCourt be cloaked?

[balmy condor]

no

[drifting cloud]

no

[agile kestrel]

kk ty

starting the fight tonight, better to ask than experiment 😄

[drifting cloud]

no really great uses for cloak

you can use it to immune an orb spawn from poison in p1

or in p2,p3 after the succ, you can use it to stay inside the skinny bosses aoe

for insane extra 2s of uptime

[gritty laurel]

can someone belittle me?

[weak plover]

Stay small boi

[balmy condor]

you probably spend way too much time and energy optimizing tea for useless gains

[gritty laurel]

please, i'm still working on remembering to use vanish on cooldown

[weak plover]

I quit before the .5 patch. Am I missing out? Auto tea sounds lit.

[gloomy heart]

belittle me guys i wanna fit in

[gritty laurel]

it's pretty great, you just spam envenom in raid now thanks to the TTK change

[coral ibex]

you stink!

[waxen oyster]

Auto tea is honestly chill

you have a charge cycle back when kb is back anyway

[gloomy heart]

your parses smell!

[coral ibex]

yea like victory

[gloomy heart]

like eggs 🥚

all white and grey parse

[coral ibex]

its true

😩

[indigo cradle]

should I get this mythic ring with no "bis" stats or just get a socket?

[crystal glen]

anyone using the CDs WA from Fuu? I cannot figure out what is tracking Envenom buff ?

[tawdry mica]

I wouldn't for rings/necks but sim yourself always

Maybe some versa works for your character

[indigo cradle]

at 623 its simming worse than my current 619 champion rings

[tawdry mica]

Damn

Like how much worse?

Sim it at 639

[drifting cloud]

well its upgradable to 639 tho

[tawdry mica]

and if you weren't doing it, sim the 2 sockets for the ring as well

and the enchant

[waxen oyster]

queen ring beats any comparable ilvl ring

free damage is nice

[brave comet]

Does the queen ring drop for assass spec? I have not seen it drop in the vault since the season started

[coral ibex]

if you dont have 2x myth rings already, might as well take it imo

[novel star]

yes it drops

[coral ibex]

its likely a chunky upgrade just on ilvl

[novel star]

it’s just a very rare

so you can easily simply not get it

by not getting lucky

[coral ibex]

btw how does this have no "bis" stats when it has 2100 crit

[brave comet]

Vers though

[coral ibex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[brave comet]

Thats gross

[coral ibex]

the answer is to sim it

i took a "suboptimal" ring today bc it was a 0.7% upgrade

626->639

[slim pebble]

I beat the game

[brave comet]

Hmm, strange i have simmed myself, i know it says deathstalker likes haste, but every item i get sims way better when it doesnt have haste

[coral ibex]

i'm much more likely to take a good but not bis ring from my vault bc who knows when i will see a bis ring drop, either natty or vault

i already have myth scalawag

my only upgrades are a myth umbriss band or myth ansurek ring

[waxen oyster]

sim still says get more crit

despite spyglass and dawnthread

[novel star]

[waxen oyster]

Yeah my sim is allergic to any more haste

[cobalt sphinx]

Do you use MA

[brave comet]

Ma?

[gloomy heart]

i just got a regular french fry in my chicfila waffle fries

wat the scam

THERES ANOTHER ONE

NOOO

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah master assassin, i think crit might be bit less valuable with MA

[upbeat shuttle]

Ahhh ya im realizing that prolly plays into my sims as well... Been deciding if i wanna drop MA or ttk for iron wire when needed

or if Sudden demise would do better than either of those (all in Mythic+)

[novel star]

i don’t think i’ve ever thought about the stats my sim is interested in

[waxen oyster]

Yes

[novel star]

even when i’m like simming a ring or whatever

or gems

i just can’t gaf man

i equip the thing in my bag with big number

[waxen oyster]

I just got curious once

[novel star]

fair lmao

[waxen oyster]

with how hard my sim fiends for more crit

Mostly when the crit vers ring at 636 lost to 626 scalawag

[upbeat shuttle]

how valuable is MA in mythic + when we are wasting some of that up time on applying bleeds that arent benefitting from the increased crit versus ttk or sudden demise? Is MA still a good choice for the boss fight component and the 10% damage loss of sudden demise not worth it on big pulls

[novel star]

[novel star]

it’s still really good regardless because subterfuge makes it so long

[upbeat shuttle]

hmmmm ya thats tru

[novel star]

but yeah better on boss than aoe since you’re not really vanishing for ma in packs

it’s just rly good idk

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah 12s is a long time

[upbeat shuttle]

so prolly drop ttk for iron wire when needed vs ma

[cobalt sphinx]

it gives you high crit chance on your generators so fok and muti generate a lot of combo points

[novel star]

why do we have iron wire untalented in the first place

jumpscare

[tall jay]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[upbeat shuttle]

to keep ttk, ma, and iron wire, id have to untalent.... idk sanguine blades?

[novel star]

sanguine kinda sucks

it’s a worse version of sd

that works against you on bosses

so yea

[upbeat shuttle]

hmmm ya i suppose i know it sucks on single target.... just seemed good for big pulls.... glad im talking about this though cause i feel like my damage has been lacking on st

in mythic+

[novel star]

maybe take sd instead of sanguine then

so you actually have a talent on bosses

instead of sanguine actively harming your boss damage

when you go above 50%

[upbeat shuttle]

what has my life been up to this point

[novel star]

consuming energy for sanguine = losing energy for envenoms = not flipping deathstalkers mark

talent bad

[upbeat shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead-stop-gif-5552043

[novel star]

but yeah

usually you just have iron wire there and the boss dam vs aoe dam choice is ttk vs sd (or both if you really desperately want to drop iron wire but cmon dawg)

[upbeat shuttle]

cool im def gonna switch those around.... ya i think you're right in everything youve said

thanks @novel star

[novel star]

m+er that isn’t argumentative and annoying

rare breed

W shit

[coral ibex]

so im in a necrotic wake 10

[novel star]

mhm

[coral ibex]

pretty average experience

died on 2nd pull to a tankbuster

fast forward to in the necropolis

doing the double throw cleaver pull

party starts to crash out, someone blames me despite me doing the mech correctly and not dying

i say "dont type at me pls"

someone starts malding about damage so i link the overall

instantly 2 people leave party

[novel star]

sounds like

standard pug

[coral ibex]

emplussers

[novel star]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-brain-cat-brain-ice-cream-gif-25160275

[balmy condor]

mplusser try not to waste 30 minutes of your life challenge

impossible difficulty

you will fail

[coral ibex]

i just wanted crests to upgrade my new ring

fugma

new guild doesn't reclear

[novel star]

go +8

[coral ibex]

ive found +8's to be even more unwinnable

[novel star]

what the fuck

[coral ibex]

lots of people who can't do 10's just perma farming 8's

no thank you

[cerulean walrus]

[novel star]

wat is ur io

[coral ibex]

2700

[cerulean walrus]

One DPS is enough to do an 8 brother LOL

[novel star]

why are you doomed to shit groups

[coral ibex]

i dont bother pushing

[novel star]

wtf

[coral ibex]

2700 635 ilvl

xd

can't get invited to a 12

[novel star]

i’m not even 2800 but most pugs i join are a vibe

when i solo queue at least

[coral ibex]

just bad luck

[novel star]

i only get the inbreds when i’m with my friends

for some reason

[inland escarp]

lmao same tbh

[coral ibex]

it was 2 paladins and a holy priest arguing

♿

[novel star]

dumb n dumber

[vocal cradle]

is delivered doom the only reason why we dont go fatebound for m+ or fights like broodtwister?

[coral ibex]

bro wtf is delivered doom

[balmy condor]

pretty much yes

[coral ibex]

you made that up

[novel star]

that’s the thing that makes fb aoe suck kinda

[balmy condor]

delivered doom makes tails do more damage the less targets there are

[coral ibex]

ah its a fatebound donger

[novel star]

coins do 30% less damage in 5+ target pulls or whatever

[coral ibex]

explains it

[novel star]

but yeah

[coral ibex]

never read those talents and i never will

[novel star]

deathsyalker just has good aoe talents and fb doesn’t

ds also has a way better defensive

fb is still fine though but there’s just no reason to play it when ds is there

in aoe context

[regal linden]

Playing as a Deathstalker feels very clunky, I can't handle the marks properly when facing silken court.

[coral ibex]

its ok to just hold your DN close to a transition

your damage doesn't matter

[regal linden]

Yes, the damage isn't important at all, but it feels really frustrating

[blissful pecan]

ughhhhhh have to play 4 more keys for the vault

i wanna quit rn but if i get heroic skardins on last slot i might commit suicide so i guess ive gotta keep on playing

[solar orbit]

Just swap to subtlety

[novel star]

or just don’t use a 7cp envenom

when intermission is coming up

[dapper cradle]

is follow the blood really that much worse

than momentum

[balmy condor]

yes

[dapper cradle]

okay

[balmy condor]

it's horrid

[dapper cradle]

i just like the icon for it more

[shy heron]

Every now and then I accidentally forget I left my discord in this channel and wonder why people make a big deal out of saving darkest night

Love you guys, sorry you gotta occasionally sit on it too long

[shadow badger]

on silken should i be keeping rupture on both bosses?

idk how to maximize damage on m silken

[dawn pollen]

if its possible for you holding up rupture garrote yes do it

and on silken court its all about when to use cds and how to perfectly do them on the boss, cause it can be a bit tricky on silken and requires some tries

[shadow badger]

[dawn pollen]

and your mark can be a bit irritating to juggle from boss to boss

[blissful pecan]

gotta vanish for mark sometimes

the fact that only ability that leaves a mark is ambush is kinda 💀

[dawn pollen]

Ye you just have to really know when the bosses switch and jumps away any you don't need to vanish for marks

[strange python]

2 min cds come up during ulgrax add phase.. is it bis to pop them on a bile soaked spawn? or wait to use on boss

[regal linden]

I swapped outlaw

[balmy condor]

the adds should not be lasting long enough to survive a deathmark

if they are you're fucked

[spice spire]

call me fucked

[strange python]

I be on my back like I'm fucked fr

is garrote worth it in that aoe situation?

[balmy condor]

typically you just pick one of the big scarabs and rupt/gar and then spam caustic into it

[wise plover]

how can i sim the mercural egg to be at 30 stacks since i never play around it

[balmy condor]

30 stacks which way

[wise plover]

thats a good question lol i just want to see worst case scenarios vs sacbrood.

i guess on court/queen i be running alot

[ebon cloud]

is there a target haste %

that i should aim for?

for m+

[balmy condor]

no

[spice spire]

no

damn

[balmy condor]

perma 30 move is -1.9%

but that's insanely unrealistic even on court

unless you're like an ADAD spammer

[paper raptor]

question: on Queen Ans, im hitting bacck to back envenoms at 1.7m, then next pull hitting 3.6M ea. Cant figure out what is different. Just crit luck? i have Deathmark and Coldblood active

Fatebound

[cobalt sphinx]

it can be amp poison luck too

[balmy condor]

difference in coins

[novel star]

amp poison, crit, standard dmg variance memes, lucky coin / no lucky coin, heads or tails

flip a lucky coin but its a tails lucky coin

[paper raptor]

ahh consumes stacks and coins makes sense

[novel star]

and your envenom will do less cause its balanced out by the tails coin doing damage

[paper raptor]

thanks for the answers

[novel star]

[dawn heath]

do we have any information on the ring, how good is it gonna be for assa with current PTR tuning any sims? or testing done?

[balmy condor]

dogshit

like not even worth talking about until blizzard decides to wake up from the coma and put actual numbers on the effects

[novel star]

[gleaming cedar]

Yo can someone chat to me about a log comparison, its just 1/2ish questions that are probably gonna answered very quickly

[coral ibex]

post the log and the experts will chime in

[gleaming cedar]

Oh I was too shy for public shaming

[coral ibex]

usually @spice spire if he's awake

no shaming here

[spice spire]

hello

[earnest remnant]

u stinky

[coral ibex]

sorry for the ping bro you're prob progging

just realized

[gloomy heart]

gg broke my chair no wow for me for a whole

while

[gleaming cedar]

So here theres a massive discrepency on M Broodtwister between my caustic and envenoms compared to this much better parser.

I have a habit of target swapping a bit and priong worms, is low caustic spatter just mean im not sticking to my caustic target enough to cleave (compared to the other log)?

Should I basically be slapping brood the whole time and not worry about rupturing other worms / spiders/ etc ?

[drifting cloud]

more likely not pressing enough envenoms while adds are alive

[gleaming cedar]

ah hmm

[drifting cloud]

which might not even be your fault half the time since its so much comp dependant aswell

but if you desync your cds on the fight theyre gonna stay bad for the whole fight

since the add spawns line up almost perfectly with them

[gleaming cedar]

hmm should I save the deathmark and kingsbane combo as adds pop then ?

[spice spire]

I am not

but just gonna let this play out

[drifting cloud]

you could be watching whispyr screaming at comcast or whatever he has instead

great content

[coral ibex]

no

[gleaming cedar]

Im new for Sin, how does Deathmark play into a aoe scenario like that? I've been opening with Deathmark - kingsbane standard opener

[coral ibex]

are you running the ovinax build with CT

you CT when the adds come out and just spatter cleave off the boss

sometimes i rupture a worm or spider

[gleaming cedar]

is CT caustic spatter? Yea

[coral ibex]

no

crimson tempest

[gleaming cedar]

oh yea for sure

[coral ibex]

this build

[gleaming cedar]

yep exactly that

[coral ibex]

spatter damage also depends on boss positioning and adds getting knocked in correctly

[gleaming cedar]

I think im just not doing enough spatter cleaving off brood

Yea

[coral ibex]

in the end, your job is to do boss damage on that boss

just play it like a funnel fight

do you not have warriors or dk's

[gleaming cedar]

Yea I got 2 warriors 2 dks

[coral ibex]

tell them to wake up lol

[gleaming cedar]

3 dk's

[coral ibex]

they should be deleting the adds

honestly

[gleaming cedar]

Yea they are, I honestly wanted to swap to ST

[coral ibex]

nah, CT ticks hard on ovinax

[gleaming cedar]

Yea, everything you've told me makes sense ive been pretty much just doing that funneling. I think I've been experimentin too much into our later pulls and losing spatter when im getting too fancy hitting other targets

I do even drop a rupture on my worm I'm kicking so

[drifting cloud]

thats not a bad thing

but if you dont do it you wont really notice the difference

[gleaming cedar]

I'll just keep doing more of that then and focus on the spatter cleave, your words gave me confidence in just trusting the knock in stuff.

Yea we're like 300+ pulls deep rn so I'm probably over thinking what im doing now

[drifting cloud]

are you doing the skip last 2 sets of eggs strat?

[gleaming cedar]

That was our closest pull

Yea

That pull was 1.7% but some zugzugs died to swirlies T_T

And if I did more dmg maybe we'd just kill it imo but

[coral ibex]

here's my clear for reference

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/g4CBJbLVF9rtnaRQ#fight=37&type=damage-done

the other melees shit on the adds lol

[drifting cloud]

nah 1.7% is alot for 1 person to cover 😛

[gleaming cedar]

yea im really low on add dmg most pulls , but high on Boss and the Worm

I think my add dmg is prolly a lil too low because I dont spatter cleave right some pulls

[coral ibex]

thats fine

[gleaming cedar]

Sometimes our worms seem like they are gonna live long, im usually on kick order for the one closest to the vial and I swap spatter there, but that doesn't actually cleave much if they take a while for the boss to get ran over there

[coral ibex]

keep doing your job

[drifting cloud]

whats your boss dps in an actual number, like I said alot of this could just be comp dependant

and youre overthinking it

[gleaming cedar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wrcPNgTDWt3n7kjJ#fight=25&type=damage-done&comparesearchplayer=30&target=44&source=30

this was our longest pull (1.7%) boss damage only

[drifting cloud]

hmm not the greatest

[gleaming cedar]

yea so im looking at the compare https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/wrcPNgTDWt3n7kjJ/kD3mBCLtXFycZAbW#fight=25,49&source=30,Muffinmcgee&type=damage-done&target=44,187&options=2

Not all my envenoms are on the boss it seems, and im still down like 40 compared to this guy on the boss

40 casts of envenom

and my kingbane would be lower if I had kingbaned boss at a time where I wasn't going to sit on him the whole duration. I think that also explains the low output

ok ok im seeing the issues now

Because my avg cast is not far behind this guy, its the # of casts though

wait and my singular focus is dogshit - oh but that's a result of low Caustic Spatter

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/jdhwlc0GaTVlB-b_C?invite=cr-MSw3RXIsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA this is one of the most infuriating experiences when playing assa in keys

getting absolutely no combo popints

[gleaming cedar]

Hey! I notice this too why is that happening

[earnest remnant]

just crit 5head

[gleaming cedar]

was happening to me in Brood fight tonight too, fan of knives giving just 1

😂

[dawn heath]

absolutely crazy

[gleaming cedar]

I need more crit evidently

[dawn heath]

this is gotta be some absolutely cursed rng

like when i get back to back 1-2p i just change my generator to mutilate instead fuck it

having to press 4 generators to get 7 combo points on 5 targets

my entire kingsbane window ran out before i could slam my envenom

Alr

enough ranting vault time

[torpid relic]

de we really need very rare neck? for assa

[coral ibex]

it is bis

[torpid relic]

5k haste?

[coral ibex]

need is relative

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[earnest remnant]

well its a normal neck + some more juice ontop (the verse proc)

[coral ibex]

the total stat allocation is higher than any other neck

which is why its bis

we like stats

[west crown]

It’s really not that much better. Only for single target which is irrelevant

[torpid relic]

yea but thinking between myth leg and that myth neck

[earnest remnant]

take the neck

you will get myth track legs at some point

catalyst and what not

more options for that

[torpid relic]

yea true but 7k haste for assa?

[earnest remnant]

haste is not a bad stat

[balmy condor]

NO BAD STATS?

[torpid relic]

also top assa's are not using just

couple of them

[earnest remnant]

SECTECH DOESENT WORK WITH BLADES?

[torpid relic]

pretty sure they have it

[earnest remnant]

well how do you know if they do?

ive cleared the boss like every week

and i only just got it from vault

so

[balmy condor]

wow

you just got it?

[drifting cloud]

its very rare, rogue is very low prio for it, you basically have to loot it for yourself

[balmy condor]

we reclear every week and I haven't seen it

[drifting cloud]

and thats assuming you mean raid and arent talking about some rio ladders

[torpid relic]

ahh cant decide lmao

[west crown]

Stats matter

Vers bad

[balmy condor]

stats matter

just not for us

[west crown]

Vers, bad to stack for sin rogue

[balmy condor]

I mean it's bad to stack anything

like a too much of a good thing

ya know

if you gear out like 20k mastery you're a fucking idiot just as much as the guy with 20k vers

[torpid relic]

sims ST +22k dps(neck)

AOE 3.7k DPS UP

lmao

[drifting cloud]

is that why you put cursed haste on your rings, some really advanced stuff

debuffing yourself for fun

[keen spruce]

[west crown]

I mean sure but even like <10% vers added to my gear is -100k

[balmy condor]

neat

[earnest remnant]

[silk bane]

why u hatin

[drifting cloud]

nowhere near 20k, try harder

[silk bane]

alchemical chaos trolled me last second >:C

it was almost 18k

[solar lynx]

ass dungeon slice sim scuffed right now?

[leaden garden]

is asa bad for raids compared to other speccs?

[slate crown]

No, dslice is fine

[blazing tulip]

there are no bad spec atm

[earnest remnant]

WRONG

outlaw

i dont make the rules

[solar lynx]

today https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/saFbJftKMisQj2GXvbwbm6

[leaden garden]

I was just looking at https://simulationcraft.org/reports/TWW1_Raid.html (i know its not a representation of reality, was just curious of sim max)

[balmy condor]

those profiles arent updated

[solar lynx]

2 days ago https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p3m2QvMTGVFty1XDkkGigr

[balmy condor]

yeah so like

have you checked talents

these aren't the same

[solar lynx]

you are correct

interesting

magic https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cAdG13mBuqzuSfKNhcVqeo

[raven egret]

Ky'veza down, onward to Silken Court

[slate crown]

grats!

[raven egret]

only thing that sucks is that some of my so called friends decided that carpet bombing me with regicides was the way to go

[balmy condor]

I’m sorry try to hear that

[coral ibex]

someone asked if they could go back to progging ovinax after a court wipe

[novel star]

i mean you could always join a guild that’s progging ovinax

to go back to it

[coral ibex]

nah people just hate the dance

and how fragile it is

[rotund oak]

makes complete sense to my mind

if ppl hate spining

imagine what they do in pvp

no wonder the section is for limited ppl only

[coral ibex]

i mean court is basically just walking around the boss in a circle like 17 times

with some stuff in between

[rotund oak]

yup,ive seen whispyr streaming like 10 times in court

[rotund oak]

based racoon

how do we feel about Sub being the strongest again,how does it feel

to be the king

[earnest remnant]

raid is done so its w/e rogue could be 40% weaker than anything else and i wouldnt care on farm, i just raidlog now until next tier

[livid jacinth]

When you do that single 10 before reset cause you didnt have much time for anything else this week...

[rotund oak]

open ur warmode and meet me on ringing deeps

i wanna ask u something

[digital gale]

i have hero 6/6 pants and hero 4/6 back %_% what do I pick :{}

[snow kindle]

Pants probably

[rotund oak]

5 trinkets in my vault 1 ocarina 1 arakara 3 from delves.No skadryns,no spyglass,no crystal no delve knife

yeah F this game

fukin disgusting stupid asiopudhaspuhasdoipushdo

[keen spruce]

I took myth scallywag ring

cuz i got the hat out of the mythic clear

and i feel like i can get pants whenever

[gloomy heart]

hehe

[rotund oak]

its ok,i just punched the wall

im fine

sigh

[gloomy heart]

i need to see if @warm vortex gets neck

[rotund oak]

idk,how the entire season i cant see a wpn or a proper trinket

its unreal

[gloomy heart]

can’t believe my chair is broken

[rotund oak]

im forced to craft everything now

[cyan karma]

Yeah I’ve never seen a weapon

My very first 2 mythic vault drops was skyardens then spy glass… pretty crazy

[rotund oak]

yeah not my pov sadly

[cyan karma]

Just gotta believe, and manifest what you want 🧘‍♂️

[rotund oak]

thats some crazy,i dont wanna characterize what

im boiling

[gloomy heart]

i need to push io i been lazy

[rotund oak]

this game has no actual respect for ppl that play the game

[livid jacinth]

I getchu i was lucky to get skardyn, i have been runing so many grim batols and no drop, and shit vaults otherwise. You'll get it too

[rotund oak]

how many GBs did you run?

im not sure im getting anything

[livid jacinth]

A lot, i dont think i've counted them

[rotund oak]

can say the same but alot from actual alot might vary

[cyan karma]

Funny thing, I did like 30 runs for hero skardens… then got it to drop again the next day, then next vault was the mythic version 😂… I grinded the f out of gb fo a hero skardens I used for 3 days 😂

[gloomy heart]

i got 2 myth trinkets noob @rotund oak

[livid jacinth]

yeeah that's the caveat lol

[rotund oak]

[tawny geyser]

@rotund oakWait, you still don't have Skardyn's, even Hero?

[rotund oak]

not a spyglas,not a knife

got a crystal hero and knife

[gloomy heart]

i have it myth and a myth spyglass

[tawny geyser]

Mate what? how?
It's guaranteed after 40 runs

I got it on my 35th

Hero version

[rotund oak]

nothing is guaranteed my man

[tawny geyser]

and that was like 1.5 months ago

[livid jacinth]

Stop kicking him, he is already dead

[tawny geyser]

I am not kicking him

I just think he's not running enough GB's

[livid jacinth]

lol

[rotund oak]

u are insaen

[tawny geyser]

It's pretty absurd to not get it at this point of patch lol...i was more frustrated not getting in the vault 😂

at 639

[gloomy heart]

You’ll get it sap

[rotund oak]

im getting the middle finger till now

[gloomy heart]

i spent 3 days only farming GB

[rotund oak]

im gonna go from work and move things around before i lose my mind

[tawny geyser]

Damn man...that really sucks, not sure how but contact Blizzard and tell them that ure character is stuck 😂

[rotund oak]

this vault was fukin rude to me

[subtle tundra]

dont listen to them sap

[gloomy heart]

you gotta shake ur ass at it

and it’ll shake back

[subtle tundra]

its not normally to have to farm a dungeon 40+ times

[gloomy heart]

normal for me

but yeah it’ll drop sooner or later

[subtle tundra]

i also do it, but what i mean is that it shouldnt be a thing

[gloomy heart]

yeah should be like 10 runs max

[rotund oak]

i dont mind running 30 or 40

make it drop

or put a stupid bad rng vendor

its not that hard

blizzard just doesnt understand how ppl enjoy wow

just gate u behind some silly content,no actual gains

[gloomy heart]

yeah it’s balls

[thick sigil]

so the oxi'nax trinket, sim bait or actually decent in use aswell as sims?

[gloomy heart]

never used it but it sims well, heard it’s aids to use but rlly good

[subtle tundra]

its way better than the next best thing if played perfectly
if played badly its still probably better

[thick sigil]

its currently competing with a mythic spyglass, sims better tho but i might not have brain to use it perfectly

(i got spyglass, my vault is either socket or ovi'nax trinket)

[flat sleet]

they should bring the key mech from blackrock, to all content, so we would can buy it with our bad rng

[sudden sigil]

well well well

[novel star]

W

[golden loom]

skipped out on office day to pull a socket

[silver hemlock]

What simulations options do we use to sim for dungeons?

[mortal temple]

!wa

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[sharp viper]

dungeonslice

[silver hemlock]

nice, so many specs uses weird setting for simming dungeons, thanks

[halcyon hamlet]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/jdlrTfNd0qsHf6lps?invite=cr-MSxCMU4sMzA4ODA3ODUzLA

How the fuck did the hook not hit

blood splatter and stun indicator on the hook when it reached the boss

Bruh

We were blasting too

[clever sapphire]

sooo i wanted to sim out of interest, which one is the real one?
first gives 6940 mastery on use
second gives the same
third gives 7155 mastery and has "mastery" written with a small "M"

[vivid elbow]

fwiw, 6940 is the correct amount

[jaunty dew]

Wondering if its worth to give up the avoidance for the cantrip

[cyan karma]

Well, from a team perspective it’s wayyyy better

[jaunty dew]

True

But primary stats are kinda meh

Don't really need that much haste

[gloomy heart]

take the neck

[cyan karma]

For me, in high keys, these benefits, like the cloak make a huge difference

[jaunty dew]

Oh I took the neck if nothing for the free ilvl upgrade

[gloomy heart]

you don’t have to waste crests

[jaunty dew]

Yup

That I did

[gloomy heart]

and it’s good

free versa

[jaunty dew]

I'm wondering about actual using it

Its kinda better for raid as well with the ST energy starving

[gloomy heart]

Yeah it’s good af

[orchid pewter]

Average vault pov

[flat steppe]

i think i got lucky in my vault?

https://i.imgur.com/FjNzcyP.png

[cobalt sphinx]

do 1 key = ocarina

inevitable

[glacial stump]

Sorry bois

[flat steppe]

nvm im not that lucky goddamn

[glacial stump]

took ring

[flat steppe]

can u sim trinkets?

[glacial stump]

Jk i took trinket

[flat steppe]

never simed alot before since mainly played healer

[glacial stump]

Even tho it was a dps loss in ST apparently

you can sim everything

[clever sapphire]

how is myth skardyn a dps loss in ST

did you forget to upgrade it to 639?

and sim the 623 vs the 626?

[subtle tundra]

he is probably simming compared to le transmitter

[glacial stump]

This

[clever sapphire]

ah ye that makes sense

[glacial stump]

was like 3k loss but fuck transmitter

[clever sapphire]

tho for me transmitter and skardyn sim the exact same

[glacial stump]

3k isnt something I'll notice in my sub par gameplay

• my stats are all over the place atm

[warm vortex]

No neck

But still got an upgrade

[gloomy heart]

which is

[warm vortex]

Ill take a crit/haste myth ring over a crit / mast hero ring

[gloomy heart]

EX

EZ

[warm vortex]

I think that means 637 this wekk :)

My BM got the exact same ring lol

[regal linden]

Can someone share the MRT note for Mythic Queen Ansurek? P2 doesn't follow a fixed timeline, and I'm having trouble writing it.

[cobalt sphinx]

what are the vibes with "intent to kill"

insane right

realz cooked up something magical here

[gloomy heart]

is there any good WA that tells you mechanics are on you and when a big mechanic is coming etc, dbm does some stuff but not all

[west crown]

Honestly needs removed

Pointless talent

[warm vortex]

Unly upgrade ring gives is a 0.2$ In aoe D:

[regal linden]

You can try the Palace WA from Liquid or Echo.

[gloomy heart]

Meant like dungeons

[regal linden]

any popular "m+ dungeon wa collection" from wago.io will work

Or just run more Mythic+ dungeons, and you'll naturally learn what to watch out for.

[gloomy heart]

True

[clever sapphire]

probably pvp talent no?

i dont pvp so i wouldnt know

[hard garnet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spring briar]

I Hope i get skardyns today. Or ill delete my Rouge

[glacial stump]

I feel the pain, sorry for taking one.

[regal linden]

you definitely go for IW. for pvp

[clever sapphire]

think you wanted to reply to me

[regal linden]

oh

you are right

[clever sapphire]

then i dunno what the point of the talent is

maybe if i could garrote my teammates

[clever sapphire]

myth skardyn is only a 0.8% gain for me so im not that annoyed when not getting it

[tepid mantle]

dagger or trinket?

[regal linden]

when they got mind-controled yes

[clever sapphire]

do you have a 639 mainhand?

[tepid mantle]

no both 636

simmed and dagger gives a 0.5% dmg upgrade

trinket 0.6%

dagger has avoidance stat tho

[clever sapphire]

what are your current trinkets?

[tepid mantle]

skardyins and then i have spyglass, sacbrook, crystal all on 626

[clever sapphire]

i mean i would take trinket because myth track trinkets are hard to get by

myth track dagger drops on 2nd boss

[tepid mantle]

yeaa but vault dagger has avoidance too kekw

[subtle tundra]

id take daggie

fuck transmitter

[regal linden]

If I were you, I would go for the trinket. Daggers can still drop from a simple boss every week, but Mythic+ trinkets are really rare to come by. Plus, this trinket is the BiS of BiS for Outlaw Rogues.

[clever sapphire]

i think he means arakara trinket

[subtle tundra]

oh

didnt see that one

[clever sapphire]

does your opinion change now?

[subtle tundra]

😕

[clever sapphire]

i dunno, myth track trinkets are hard to come by unless you are have 6 raidbosses down and reclear every week

dagger is "only" a 3 ilvl upgrade

[subtle tundra]

yes trinket

is the correct choice

[regal linden]

the dagger from the horror is not hard to get

[warm vortex]

Actually nvm its a -.2 in aoe and an 0.8 in ST

[tropic jewel]

Which one to take ? Considering I'm playing Sub as well and the sims are telling me sometimes the Crystal is better and Sometimes the Knife is better like 400 dps diff

NN for acm i already haave the 639 acm

[subtle tundra]

can you translate this

also, id take crystal

400 dps diff is not a difference

they are the same

its the margin of error

[tropic jewel]

dont need Myth track for the gildet acm 🙂

[subtle tundra]

ACHIEVEMENT?

ACM?????????

[tropic jewel]

yes

[subtle tundra]

bro type the fucking word

[regal linden]

oh...

[warm vortex]

My ST build has like 20% haste

[slim tundra]

!wa

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[spring briar]

Never saw it dropped or in vault. Its disgusting

[midnight mist]

imagine not having the DN ACM I CBA SMH LMAO XD

[subtle tundra]

SMH?

i have SMN

[regal linden]

and what's that?.

[flint tinsel]

Poggers

[regal linden]

oh man

[frosty bridge]

GUNST DES SKARDYNS?

With 603 lebensraub too gg

[flint tinsel]

German Client excuse

[steep matrix]

!wa

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[uncut ledge]

Is it typical for sin to have turbo ass ST damage in keys? I'm a 3100 player and am gearing up my rogue (currently 615 with 636 MH and 4pce) and the single target on bosses feels incredibly weak. I do not have a skardyn's yet but does that really make up a significant difference in ST performance? As far as I can tell I am performing the rotation adequately during CD's and am maybe not pooling enough out of CD's

[frosty bridge]

Yep, not incredibly weak but our ST isnt great without funnel

[safe patrol]

got mists neck on 639 but sikran neck would be cool to have even doe its not really a sim upgrade, other than that the cloak would get me crest reduction which is a bit tempting but prob a bit troll. thoughts?

[frosty bridge]

also yeah not having the trinket definitely doesnt help either

in both aoe and st

[uncut ledge]

ok thanks, hopefully a bit more gear will help smooth it out. Feels horrible right now, AoE and specifically funnel feels fantastic though. A question I did have is it important to prioritize capping CP's for darkest night procs in ST even if you're risking overcapping CP's

[spice surge]

Yes you want to use darkest night immediately

[subtle tundra]

suck my nuts

[spice surge]

Pure ST is still gonna be ass in keys, regardless of how good gear you get

[frosty bridge]

Think he means if its worth pressing mut on 5-6 combo points and overcapping to get DsM back in ST, honestly im not sure, but you probably do :D

[spice surge]

Yes ik

[uncut ledge]

feels like it should be worth it to get mark back up asap and intuitively i have been doing it but feels awkward at times so wanted to check

[frosty bridge]

Yeah but I don't , do we want DsM back up asap regardless of overcapping?

[cold zealot]

Hi! Need some advice. Should i pick haste/mastery ring myth from the vault (Cirlce of Bone). Other options are trash or should i just pick socket. ty.

[frosty bridge]

Feelcraft is telling me yes, but not sure if it's actually the case

[spice surge]

#assassination message

[frosty bridge]

Post your full vault and sim, it's hard to answer without knowing your gear

[frosty bridge]

I should learn to read, thanks

[tawdry mica]

what should I do in ulgrax mm interphase i always go from top dps to 7-8th and it's over

[cold zealot]

@frosty bridge haster vers ring and crit mast legs ( i have 639 tier set)

[frosty bridge]

ask your guild to let you pad

[cold zealot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3TrdDgw53DmsitDcHXW79w

[tawdry mica]

I mostly do pug mm, it's just sad

[molten echo]

Slacking rewarded!

[tawdry mica]

I don't complain since the boss goes down but oof

[frosty bridge]

its kinda difficult then because intermission is 2 minutes in and all the DKs and DHs and warrior terrorists will also send CDs

but yeah, try to get rupture up on 1 target when they are grouped, caustic, and then Fok envenom spam i guess

[tawdry mica]

yeah and I'm trying to at least do some CS damage but it's too much chaos and movement

ye

[tawdry mica]

[frosty bridge]

you can take the ring i guess then, but in 2 weeks we are getting the new 639 ring which will probably end up bis after they buff it

also clear ansurek first for the ring before taking the ring from the vault

[cold zealot]

@frosty bridge Which ring is it ? I'm only doing M+ with friends, i don't raid.

[frosty bridge]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-ring-available-in-patch-11-0-7-cyrces-circlet-349513

this will probably end up being bis at some point like onyx annulet last expansion

just so you know, if you take the ring now there is a chance you replace it in 2 weeks for "free"

[cold zealot]

@frosty bridge yep, i didn't know that tyvm. Will take the socket.

[humble verge]

i came in my pants

its not skardyn but

ive had hero rings since like

week 1 m+

[tawdry mica]

gz

[subtle tundra]

good ring

i have it too!

[amber brook]

inb4 replacement from siren isle

[humble verge]

i have siege and grim rings from before

in 626

[subtle tundra]

bis probably gonna be that + ansurek

but also can be that its shitly tuned for aoe

so you wear normal ring

[humble verge]

hmmmm

its simming better with the grim ring

🤨

nvm i forgor to add sockets thats maybe why

[worthy wraith]

Hi
I've been unlucky with vault and i have a lot of crests left so im gonna use them to craft an item.
I have 626 chest (necrotic wake one), neck (sikran rare one) and ring (mast/crit boralus one with leech proc), which one do you think is more worth it to replace with a 636 crafted item ?

[regal linden]

We're only starting to go Ansurek this week, so by the time I get that ring, we'll probably also have the new Onyx ring.

[subtle tundra]

well youll still want both

[rotund oak]

a very good point,a nice idea 👌

[regal linden]

The Vault loot pool for m+ is just way too large. There should be a system where you can use something like 12 Vault tokens to exchange for any mythic track m+ gear of your choice.

[humble verge]

hmmm

[royal lantern]

delete m+, its the only way we can reach salvation

[humble verge]

if i pick siege ring i lose a wee bit of leech

[royal lantern]

[white kindle]

it is just frustrating. got luckily skardyn early on 606 but never again got a higher one.. neither drop on >+8 nor in Vault.. They should be such a system. Other games do it aswell.

[royal lantern]

leech is a meme stat

does nothing

[humble verge]

truly

[subtle tundra]

ill fucking you

! ! !

[royal lantern]

leech only has some value on healers

[torn mist]

💀

[humble verge]

you say that, but i still somehow heal 30m in a dung off leech

[subtle tundra]

non useful healing

mostly

[royal lantern]

and how much is effective healing?

and how much did leech help the healer in not healing you?

like

avoidance lets you survive stuff barely

[humble verge]

true dat

[winged gust]

yo guys what ilevel should i be before i try starting mythic raids?

[humble verge]

maybe im just ignorant and stupid

couldnt be me

[royal lantern]

leech is "im at 32% hp instead of 30% hp, but still need a heal or i die on the next mechanic"

[subtle tundra]

thats everyone

[royal lantern]

its why leech is kinda pointless

[torn mist]

Sims told me to that ovi'nax egg but its shitty to play no ? (i have skardin & anub trinket)

[royal lantern]

except quake

[subtle tundra]

quake has cute buff

[humble verge]

honestly, people probably wont let you in if youre under 630

if youre gonna try to PUG

[winged gust]

oh damn okay ty

[humble verge]

if you'd want to get into mythic raiding i would try to raid with a guild, but thats to your own discretion

[subtle tundra]

also no experience rn hurts cause its quite easy to find someone with experience

[winged gust]

i have no idea how to even find/get into a guild

[humble verge]

https://raider.io/

https://www.wowprogress.com/

[regal linden]

You should try to join a guild. By now, many guilds are likely recruiting for that "Liberation of Undermine".

[humble verge]

here you have some options

[torn mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rQku7GbvTCcWqSYPrB3j3W

So i have to take off ansurek ring

hummm

[subtle tundra]

Battle for Dazar Alor aaah name

[subtle tundra]

yea buddy if youre gonna fight 5 targets for 5 minutes

what the fuck are you even simming

and why

[humble verge]

resim dung slice, and dont use all the buffs for a more representable sim

[torn mist]

Oh okok my bad

[humble verge]

this is atleast a representation on how i run my m+ sims

[tawdry mica]

Weekly over latest?

[humble verge]

ive never really thought about it that tho

ive always just run weekly

[tawdry mica]

I heard that latest is more precise but I don't know the diff personally

[subtle tundra]

consumables and buffs dont matter
all they do is change the number, but all you should care about is the comparison between changes

the end number means nothing

[humble verge]

ehhhh, they do?

like

battleshout is like

100k+ dps

in m+

[regal linden]

moreover, the ansurek ring provides valuable single-target damage, and its actual value is significantly higher than what simulations might suggest.

[subtle tundra]

ok? and?

how does that affect your comparing

of gear and talents

[spice surge]

Skyfury is the only relevant one

[subtle tundra]

lets be real, if you dont have a shaman in your group, remake the group

[spice surge]

Since it alters your damage profile slightly

[subtle tundra]

(/s)

[torn mist]

ah

[spice surge]

Not sure the /s is needed tbh, theres very very very few runs this season where i have no had a shaman in my keys

[subtle tundra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/faNDYunWxxSwbTPyNp54Vn
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gJseemtierRLww3n1kkoDe

[subtle tundra]

kinda crazy the buff they give, its so huge

[spice surge]

Mostly all of the specs being really solid and fun

But ye the buff is really strong

[subtle tundra]

and they are full of utility

[humble verge]

honestly

[tawdry mica]

I don't like brining shamans since they outdamage me which is good for the key and bad for my happiness

[humble verge]

running without shammy is just a lotta crap

[spice surge]

Getting outdamaged by a resto shaman? Rough times out here

[tawdry mica]

[subtle tundra]

decurses, removing roots, ancestral guardian, short cd stun, poison totem

all very strong this season

[torn mist]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-the-frog-hmm-thinking-gif-14186428

[subtle tundra]

besides the dmg ofc

[torn mist]

Idk, ovi'nax egg seems a little hard to play

but i have to priorize my single target no ?

[subtle tundra]

then dont play it

[humble verge]

i heard last season shadowpriest was like the thing

why

[subtle tundra]

damage

[humble verge]

just pure damage?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[tropic jewel]

they really need to reword energy on rogue

[humble verge]

damn

[tropic jewel]

*rework

[torn mist]

that's the project yep x)

[humble verge]

and now i dont even see a single SP at all lmao

[subtle tundra]

first and foremost, m+ meta is based around the highest dmg

[torn mist]

thanks for the simming Varas !

[tropic jewel]

i mean 7 seconds waiting time ?

[royal lantern]

why?

[fallen arch]

Epic pooling

[humble verge]

dont look at it

[subtle tundra]

this energy management should be the normal for raid aswell

[humble verge]

its just a sim

[regal linden]

It feels like driving my grandpa's old pickup truck—having to keep the gas in just the right spot to stop it from falling apart.

[royal lantern]

7seconds? wtf are you doing there lol

[spice surge]

Its intended to be like that

[tropic jewel]

its a sim

[subtle tundra]

pooling for kb probs

[tropic jewel]

yeha but its disgusting

[spice surge]

Disagree

[subtle tundra]

cause you play no energy talents

[tawdry mica]

7 seconds of auto attacking

nice

[royal lantern]

you dont play like that btw

[tropic jewel]

why not just pressing buttons 😄

[torn mist]

HAHAHA Good one ! that's horrible xd

[humble verge]

pooling, whats that? i just press mutilate bonk bonk - damug!!!

[subtle tundra]

play any other spec in the game

[royal lantern]

and why is it bad if 1, ONE, a singular spec is not "lololololol i press 1 all the time"

[subtle tundra]

why does assa need to be as everything else

[tropic jewel]

nah i love assa but i dont like the fact that u cannot press a button every second

[royal lantern]

there are 40+ specs in this fame that have that

[subtle tundra]

its the exception to the rule

[royal lantern]

then you dont "love assa"

[cobalt sphinx]

you guys can't seriously be defending it lol

it's kinda lame

the build sucks ass on st

[subtle tundra]

ofc i am defending it

[humble verge]

the thing is tho, either stat we get from ovi egg is good

for some people secondary is better or main stat

[subtle tundra]

cause thats how assa has always been

[torn mist]

i pick the ring, thanks for help everyone x)

[royal lantern]

build? thats assa for 10+ years now

[subtle tundra]

and thats what ive been playing all the time

[royal lantern]

those FotM takes jesus

[humble verge]

honestly

i hate assa

but i dont wanna play outlaw

[subtle tundra]

go enha

youre fotm

[royal lantern]

play sub

[humble verge]

and i cant question myself to go sub

[spice surge]

Sub

[subtle tundra]

i really should play sub..

[regal linden]

just do it, pick the funny guy with a pistol

[humble verge]

nah, i dont want RSI

[tawdry mica]

I got a sub yesterday in ulgrax and that dude parsed a 100 holy cow

[torn mist]

i hesitate to outlaw

[subtle tundra]

idk i also get RSI on assa in aoe

[humble verge]

yeah its a raidspec amirite

[torn mist]

but KiR fear me (a little bit)

[humble verge]

whaddahell is kir

D:

[humble verge]

same

but then again, atleast im not outlaw amirite

[spice surge]

Wouldnt take a large assa nerf to have sub be better in keys tbh

[regal linden]

Playing Kir feels like a game of poker—you draw cards, pass, draw cards, pass, draw cards, and then bang! All in.

[humble verge]

that is true, there are some big sub pumpers in like 3.3k ish

[spice surge]

Especially since sub (and outlaw) is significantly more tanky than assa

[torn mist]

I love this gameplay ! Really

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-gif-12774102

[torn mist]

But everytime i try i fuck up my rotation

maybe s2 i'll go outlaw

[tawdry mica]

[torn mist]

but for now i like assa, its cool xd

[humble verge]

this makes me want to post an mp4 where this same gif/video is ued

[humble verge]

but youre not the 3.3k guy D:

[cobalt sphinx]

yikes

rio checked

[humble verge]

wait nvm

[cobalt sphinx]

3400 doesnt count with that stonevault 10

[humble verge]

the scoreboard was bugged

[spice surge]

I havent done any stonevaults or gbs on sub

[humble verge]

yeah then it makes sense

[spice surge]

So my pure sub score is lower

[subtle tundra]

Iron wire enjoyer

Giga chad

[humble verge]

im wondering, how is sub m+ opener?

[spice surge]

Same as singletarget

[subtle tundra]

Ugh trickster...

Stay bad...

[midnight mist]

i swear sv doesnt have any real casts

why iron wire in sv

[spice surge]

Technically not really anymore, you ideally want to use one storm and then spam strike+bp

[tawdry mica]

There's a hallway full of casters no?

[torn mist]

maybe i'll go sim my topgear if i need some haste, 3% actually

[torn mist]

not really imo

[humble verge]

what in the hell is this opener, vanishing after 3 abilities

[midnight mist]

there is a lot of hallways

[torn mist]

just in the room of the 2 machinist

[midnight mist]

which one

[torn mist]

and 5 at the final boss

if im right

[subtle tundra]

All hallways are full of castets

[cobalt sphinx]

those are tank-only stone bolts toward the last boss

[midnight mist]

that do nothing tho

[spice surge]

Mostly been playing it because sub was not great on those huge pulls, but now that bp is usable i should probably give it a go again

[humble verge]

bro is actively trolling you guys

😭

[tawdry mica]

lol

[midnight mist]

i can understand in gb but idk

sv is like

[subtle tundra]

Debatable, you want to kick all the curses so there's no curse overlap, you want to kick all heals

All the aoe things

[midnight mist]

full of fake casters

[spice surge]

"it" in this case being assa, not iron wire specifically

[cobalt sphinx]

aoe stops prevent the heals and i thought the curse was instant

[spice surge]

Curse is instant ye

[midnight mist]

curses arent kicks tho

heals are solo kickable and at most its hwat

5 of them in a pack

that you can just cc anywya if shit happens

[royal lantern]

duh, they are curses

[subtle tundra]

they are kicks aswell

[midnight mist]

well they also cast bolts

[subtle tundra]

theres random curses and cast curses

[midnight mist]

no?

its bolts

these mobs also have an interesting mech

[tawdry mica]

but why would it be bad to run iw in a dungeons with tons of casters i wonder

[midnight mist]

where they cast one at a time

[tawdry mica]

it doesn't hurt

it helps

[midnight mist]

never 2 can cast in the same pack simultaneously

[humble verge]

he wants that pad damage 😋

[midnight mist]

because you lose damage

for imo such a low gain

on pull mobs are packed cause pala shield

and then its just a bunch of useless casts that do nothing and that you can and will kick/aoe cc if needed

what does silence on 2 min cd do

[tawdry mica]

If your group is 100% confident that all casts are under control then sure drop IW i guess? but pugging is different

[humble verge]

idk, having iron wire on this pull really helps in the start

¯_(ツ)_/¯