assassination

[icy acorn]

since assa has its majority of its dmg in its cooldowns
while outlaw basicly deals dmg always

[royal lantern]

again, wow raids heavy favor burst

[misty moat]

is my understanding of uptime correct?

[royal lantern]

outlaw has no burst

[earnest remnant]

you get less punished on stuff like sub than you do on outlaw when you get forced away from the boss

cuz all of your dmg comes from a 20 sec window

where as on outlaw its a flat line from start to finish

[royal lantern]

many raidfights in wow have a "you now wanna do big dmg fast" situation

adds/breaks a shield etc....

[earnest remnant]

yes uptime means uptime hitting the boss

[royal lantern]

outlaw cant do that, cus it has no burst

[earnest remnant]

its why you see outlaw being quite good on stuff like kyveza which allows for 100% uptime

[royal lantern]

im dissapointed that you are not on that list

[misty moat]

ok so like heres one area i feel confused. i truly feel like i easily have 90-95% uptime playing neart pefect so wouldnt that outrank assass with same uptime and performance?

[earnest remnant]

got rank 12 sub today

fucked my last set of cds

it wasent pretty

also im like 633 equipped leave me alone

[earnest remnant]

on a fully stationary boss yes

which is not really the case for most Raid bosses and def not in m+ since you make routes around burst cds

[misty moat]

gptcha, i mean clearly im wrong. cuz its clear that 99% of high rated rogues play assass. i jsut wish i had been able to come to that conlsuin myself and feel that theres gaps in the reasoning in my head but its my fault

[earnest remnant]

speaking strictly m+ here?

[misty moat]

i do both raid and m+

more m+ than raid but def both

[earnest remnant]

if so its quite simple really, has one of the best 2min bursts

scales insanely well with Augmentation evokers

as high dmg outside of cds

mostly the 2nd point tho

Outlaw and Aug evokers

do not go well together

[cobalt sphinx]

Extremely high funnel damage too

[earnest remnant]

well id more call it prio

[misty moat]

what if i dont have an aug?

[earnest remnant]

then outlaw can do quite well

[misty moat]

where should i go to learn assass becuase i hsitorically am trash at it but if its the best then i want to learn

[earnest remnant]

wowhead

and Whispyrs Youtube channel

is a good start

[misty moat]

ok

[earnest remnant]

then you could delve into some high key povs from assa rogues

such as Casualaddict and Speed

and go from there

[misty moat]

ty

[vocal cradle]

do i just import that mod into the current profile?

[median cosmos]

yeah under modding

[vocal cradle]

word

ill do that now and give it a go

also im looking at switching off of ascension for m+ to dawn thread and im trying to decide which slot to craftcuz all of it except for chest is myth track... how would you suggest i go about using raidbots to sim it?

[gloomy hinge]

how bad is 1.92m overall in a 13 NW?

[median cosmos]

just use top gear and the copy function to make all the variations e.g

you can add crafted gear to top gear as well eg.

once you add it you can then use the copy and modify to set embellishments

[misty moat]

when looking up my bis for assass rogue shouldi go off of the sim, warcraftlogs, archon. or wowhead?

[novel star]

you shouldnt look at your bis

its not a relevant piece of information

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[novel star]

retail doesnt really work in a way that allows/encourages the pursuit of "bis"

only exception is like trinkets and other items with procs on them

[misty moat]

i historically use it to tell me what to craft / wjat to go farm

[novel star]

doesnt mean you were historically making the correct decision

that is a thing that you can do

but you will most likely end up hyperfocusing on items that aren't even that good for the current state of ur character

as a result of it

[runic hinge]

Just go get into 7's and farm hero leather gear and use the sim to tell you what's best

GB isn't a bad place to go cause there's a bis trinket in there and a lot of other pieces but you don't need to target any particular piece that hard

especially if you're just starting

otherwise

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

you dont need to target a particular piece ever

"just starting" is irrelevant

any hero piece gets replaced by any myth piece and you simply cannot target farm myth m+ items, thats not how it works

you get one piece of armor from your vault every week and even if that piece is in the bis list!!1! it might just be a downgrade anyway because of the rest of ur gear

there is no cope in existence that defends the concept of bis in retail wow

just doesnt fit anymore

at least as like, a thing you actually pay attention to as a player

[runic hinge]

Tell that to everyone’s 50 runs of GB lol. I mean generally I agree with you.

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

:worldofwarcraft:

[novel star]

why type message when no read

whats the point dude

[misty moat]

ive read evyerthign brother

[novel star]

not u

[runic hinge]

Oli I’m agreeing with you

Weirdo

[novel star]

im just

cant help it

[vocal cradle]

in arakara is there a way you can control which way the cones spray on the last boss?

or does it only do dmg to anyone inside your circle?

[mystic hollow]

You mean the poison waves?

[vocal cradle]

yep

[mystic hollow]

Nah. Just gotta see which way they're pointing and don't hit anyone/get hit by anyone

[spice spire]

Don’t be

[novel star]

make me

[short stratus]

I'm on a fresh rogue and I'm thinking about getting the crafted dagger. are the recommend stats to put on?
or should I just sim and take the best, which is not really the best because my gear is still pretty bad

[novel star]

can craft without a missive tbh

[short stratus]

okay that sounds good, thank you

[novel star]

or just default to crit/mast if you feel like it

better for aoe a bit maybe

but still kinda just do whatever

[short stratus]

yeah your right, I can change it when I'm better geared anyway

thank you

[median cosmos]

it's only ever 2 directions, so if you are looking directly at the entrance to the room its always diagonal left or right based on that .....if you have 3 melee just always start in a triangle and adjust for each other (i.e tank in front, 2 melee left and right of boss)

[misty holly]

Totally not true with trinkets, and might not be true with the "cantrip" jewlery either.

But yeah for regular slots, sure.

[steady glen]

Hi guys quick question, whats the best way to swap deathstalker mark debuff between bosses in silken court?

[novel star]

me when i send messages on discord.com

[misty holly]

Don't forget the http://www

[raven dew]

!macro

[novel star]

!tea ?

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[raven dew]

tricks :P i found it using the channel search hahaha

tysm though!!

[novel star]

ah

gg

[raven dew]

is there a rough minimum io score ppl look for when recruiting for 8

[novel star]

not really

[coral ibex]

idk but whatever it is, its too high

[novel star]

this lol

[coral ibex]

people will only take you if you're like 300 io above them

pugging is insanity

best to just try to push your own key

[raven dew]

oh

rip lmao

[manic sphinx]

My main was tank, then heals. Now trying dps and first time playing rogue. Legit have issues getting into groups

[raven dew]

ive been managing to get into 7s for all ofthem

but its almost impossible for me to get into 8s

[coral ibex]

yea people turbo gatekeep to ensure they get their crests

[raven dew]

thats fair i guess lol

[coral ibex]

nobody wants to deplete an 8 and get 5 crests

[raven dew]

yea yea

damn lol

[coral ibex]

its stupid but that's just how people are

[manic sphinx]

In fact, I'm sure I only get invited sometimes cos I'm 2.8k on main and it comes through if they have raider.io addon...

[raven dew]

😂

[steady glen]

Hi guys quick question, whats the best way to swap deathstalker mark debuff between bosses in silken court without using vanish?

[raven dew]

im 2.1k. aint no way im getting into any groups lmaaooo

[novel star]

you just do it

[raven dew]

get the buff that trasnferes it

[manic sphinx]

Can't you swap death mark at every darkest night proc?

[novel star]

consume the stacks and use DN on other boss

[raven dew]

the last keystone in the thing

yeah darkest night

[novel star]

Ye

[steady glen]

how do you swap?

I wasnt aware

[novel star]

by simply using darkest night on the other boss

[coral ibex]

when you have DN, its a buff on YOU

[steady glen]

DN is a buff?

[novel star]

darkest night is a buff, deathstalkers mark is a debuff

[coral ibex]

vs a debuff on the boss

[novel star]

yes

[steady glen]

OH

[coral ibex]

you consume your DN buff to apply marks to the target

[steady glen]

i didnt know that worked like that

[coral ibex]

i feel like this has opened up the world to you lol

[steady glen]

i was under the assumption I had to vanish and it was irritating as

[novel star]

[coral ibex]

nah you just get your DN and swap target

[novel star]

just have to be careful not to use a bad dn before intermissions

[manic sphinx]

Tbh, I think the valor and crest requirements for alts need to drop even further. I just can't seem to gear my rogue quick enough. Valor and crest starved.

[novel star]

if u put it on the wrong boss ur cooked

[manic sphinx]

With limited play time, not sure if I can get from my 8s to 10s to get a myth piece in vault next reset 😦

[novel star]

gotta make friends to get the io

game sucks

[split veldt]

why do i sometimes not see dawnthread in my aura breakdown in details

[short stratus]

Question in relation to the Mythic+ Build (Deathstalker). Since I didn't put a point into Vicious Venoms my generator for Single Target is Fan of Knives, correct?
After I did the Ramping Deathstalker Single Target Sequence I go over to the Cooldown Sequence Deathstalker ST and start with Deathmark -> Shiv -> Kingsbane and after that it's Multitate in the Diagram.

Do I use Multilate in that Scenario or still Fan of Knives because of no Vicious Venoms?

Talking about this "Graph"

[balmy condor]

What

Mut in single target

Fan of knives is your aoe generator

[balmy condor]

Yes

On that specific gcd

[short stratus]

but thats single target ramping?

[balmy condor]

Not every gcd brother

[coral ibex]

yea because applying deathstalker's mark gives you a proc to use fan of knives

[tawny geyser]

Clear the Witness Proc only
and all else is +3 target for FoK

[coral ibex]

called clear the witnesses

and if you are talented into vicious venoms, you ignore that proc

[balmy condor]

2 since he’s talking about m+

But yeh

[raven dew]

as a new player, these graphs do hide a bit of the reasoning. the text explains it, but there is a lot of text

and if you're just looking at the infographics, i can definitely see how it can get confusing

[balmy condor]

I mean the graphs are dogshit to begin with because you can’t break down a conceptual opener in a gcd timeline

[raven dew]

😂

[novel star]

yeah whisper why don’t you just rewrite this thing you don’t even want on there for the 35th time

[short stratus]

Okay, thank you guys. That's why I asked, it kinda confused me

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

Hate my life

[novel star]

[tawny geyser]

Whisp, how's Silken going?

[novel star]

“cast fan of knives to consume clear the witnesses if not talented blablabla”

foolproof it

just add a fuckin paragraph

clearly needed

[coral ibex]

yea just rewrite the theory part again

so people complain there's too much text on the graphic

[novel star]

god

[raven dew]

question about the single target opener actually. whats the reasoning behind holding vanish to this general area? am i waiting for something/trying to consume a buff or something

[balmy condor]

Can’t, too much text apparently as well

[coral ibex]

you vanish to cover the last 6s of kingsbane

[balmy condor]

Master assassin

[coral ibex]

with master assassin

[tawny geyser]

Master Assassin proc

[raven dew]

ah okok so its more like "we use vanish here to continue master assassin"

keyword being continue

[balmy condor]

Well no

[raven dew]

ah shit 😂

[balmy condor]

You shouldn’t have master assassin at that point

[raven dew]

ooooh

[balmy condor]

It dropped long before that

[raven dew]

ahh okok

[balmy condor]

It’s just to cover the last 6

[novel star]

oh awesome

[raven dew]

gotcha ok so thats the main key aspect. to cover the last 6sec

🙏 tysm

[balmy condor]

Yeh except even that has an asterisk

Cause like it doesn’t really matter if it’s the last 6 or the last 8 or whatever

Kingsbane hits its cap really fast

[raven dew]

oooo interesting

[balmy condor]

So it’s like just press it at some point in the second half

And it’s all good

[raven dew]

gotcha. ok so sanity check. ive JUST started getting into the habit of pressing shiv > tea @ the last 7ish sec of kingsbane. following this logic, the more optimal addition would be to just tack off vanish at after my shiv > tea combo right? so its just

• around 7ish(or later half of kingsbane)
• shiv
• tea
• vanish
• garrote/rupture etc etc

[balmy condor]

Yeh that’s fine

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[raven dew]

niiceeeeee

[balmy condor]

Can use this as well

We have an eternal quote around here

You’ll get used to it

[raven dew]

oh bc they're all GCDs so its possible to over spam

hahahahahaah

ok nice thats great to finally understand the logic behind the skill usage

ive been watching higher key rogues play

and trying to figure out when/why they're using vanish and how they open etc

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah good fucking luck trying to reverse engineer all that

Even I can’t explain it sometimes

[raven dew]

hahahahaha it was definitely frustrating

[balmy condor]

“Why does X vanish here”

[raven dew]

i started clipping openers

[balmy condor]

Bro idk

They just wanted to

[raven dew]

and rewatching the spell usage addon wahtever its called truficd

yeah frequently players use vanish earlier/later than others and im just like 🙃 wtf happened there LOL

[novel star]

idk

there’s like

6 different ways to use vanish in m+

that cd is just fucked

[west crown]

Vanish just isn’t that important. Best case use is chain pulling or mechanics

[raven dew]

well im definitely not using it any of the 6 ways then bc my dmg is dogshit apparently 🥲

[west crown]

The min max uses during cds isn’t that impactful

[novel star]

wont make that major of a dps diff tbh

usually

[raven dew]

oh hmmm thats even more concerning then LOL

that means im definitely doing something fundamentally wrong 😂

[novel star]

assa aoe is kinda braindead as hell once u have bleeds going

[raven dew]

yeah caustic spaltter ftw

[novel star]

u just spam envenom and maintain ct and smile

[raven dew]

reapplying ruptures really sucks though ngl

[novel star]

u get used to it

it’s fine

[west crown]

Vanish and be happy

[novel star]

or vanish yeah

[raven dew]

hahaha yeah wheni have it up its great

but manually reapplying. goodness

after the 3 bonespikes are out then its just sadness

[west crown]

Better use to reapply bleeds then use in cds. That’s my feelycraft

[novel star]

vanishing for MA in aoe is advanced brain disease bro

fuck that

that’s the iron wire button

[raven dew]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[raven dew]

is it correct to spam envenom when i have big CDs going? aka mark and/or kingsbane

...actually just kingsbane right

mark is just bleed

[west crown]

Yes

[raven dew]

ok cool

[novel star]

ur never sending dm without kb anyway

[raven dew]

that might help a bit. i feel a bit too energy starved too frequently

thats true good call

[novel star]

you should never run out of energy in aoe

in st tho yea

[raven dew]

yea aoe im good just st

i do feel like im overly spamming though

so i might need to cut back to up my dps

[novel star]

no matter what u do it’ll feel “bad” if you come from any other dps spec

except like

3

maybe

[raven dew]

hahaha well im good then bc i just main rogue

[novel star]

swag

[raven dew]

😎

[novel star]

ya idk, delay ur envenom refreshes

for pandemic

and that’s about it

[raven dew]

yeah imma try that

[novel star]

old school pooling is a dead concept pretty much

[raven dew]

oh really

[novel star]

yea

[raven dew]

dang nice

easier gameplay right

[novel star]

u just kinda pandemic envenoms and that’s it

[raven dew]

imma see if my plater thing has the pandemic flashing border thing

[novel star]

like you can pool a little bit if you want ig but it isn’t as big of a gain nowadays

[raven dew]

oh it does not LOL

[novel star]

particularly in raid but in m+ too

[raven dew]

im using luxthos WA. is there another WA i can use

[novel star]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[raven dew]

i just need the evnenom pandemic thing

[novel star]

Le collection has a standalone envenom bar or you can use whispyr/les groups

which have the same envenom thing in it

but yea

[raven dew]

o ty lemme check that out

[novel star]

can just get the standalone one and slap it wherever i guess idk

[tepid breach]

If KB CD got desync by any way, for exmple25-30 sec and DM arround 50-60 seconds, is this worth to send the KB desync alone on a pack where there is much hp still?

[balmy condor]

Sure

[tepid breach]

or better to wait and send both

[balmy condor]

YOLO I guess

[novel star]

personally i would resync so i don’t rip my eyes out

but 30 sec is a fucking long time

how did it ever get 30 sec desynced in the first place

is the better question

[tepid breach]

i usually throw it cause i'm telling me i'm losing 30 sec of cd so

[west crown]

How are you not desyncing. Packs don’t perfectly line up in cds

And I’m not sending KB when pack is half dead

[raven dew]

does LE's group replace luxthos WA? kinda new to the whole WA thing

does group = wa?

[novel star]

bad casts are better than lost casts

[shy creek]

Send kB rven if its not ideal

[west crown]

More damage on the next pack > pack already dead

[novel star]

Ya, if you get her group it’d be a full package thing

[tepid breach]

I mean half dead no, but if i'm sure that the kb windows will fully be used with shiv before ennemy dead, i send it desync

[novel star]

but you can also just get only the envenom tracker from the collection and use it alongside ur luxthos pack if you want

doesn’t really matter

ui is all preference

[raven dew]

LE has a friggin kingsbane bar thing

with the shiv tick

LOL LETS GOOOO

[novel star]

yea

goat

[raven dew]

EASY PEASY

[mystic hollow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zjfgYNk9rXt84KAb#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1

Not the world's best run, I flubbed shit a bit. But lemme know if I'm missing anything big?

[tall jay]

anyone kow what the r3 dps pots that are made in raid's id number is per chance?

[slate crown]

https://www.wowhead.com/search?q=fleeting+tempered+potion

[deft vault]

!shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[deft vault]

Wouldnt this be a dps loss cuz you cou8ld be wasting energy if youre high energy when youre pressing shiv?

[raven dew]

in LE's group, what do these green dots and the bar mean?

[slate crown]

Thistle tea charges

The bar is tea's cooldown

[raven dew]

ooooh tysm

[harsh fern]

Hello, have a question. I don’t understand prio of crimson tempest, envenom buff and caustic spatter in aoe rotation. I did all garrote and rupture bleeds. Now I wanna immediately apply caustic spatter? For my auto attack poisons? But I still don’t have envenom buff for my poisons proc more often. Isn’t it better to send another FoK for combo generating instead of procing CS? Or maybe I have to apply CT faster, without procing CT? Any thoughts?

[still stirrup]

@slate crown is there a subterfuge tracker? If not what would the easiest way to add one?

[slate crown]

Energy bar changes color with an icon and timer on the left side of it

[still stirrup]

Ok maybe im blind then

[slate crown]

Is it not doing it?

[still stirrup]

I dont remember seeing an icon, but id have to recheck

[slate crown]

It's small

About the height of the energy bar

[still stirrup]

I'll test it out later, most likely I missed it

Thanks

Assume I could move/enlarge it if I want to

[slate crown]

Kind of

It's technically a Text object, not an icon like a normal icon

So like, you can increase the text size and change the anchor offsets for that text

[raven dew]

@slate crown oh are you LE!? thanks so much for your envenom + kingsbane weak auras!!! immensely helpful 🥳

i have a question about the kingsbane wa. i can't seem to get the additional ticks for tea + vanish working. any help here? i checked the boxes but nothing is happening 😂

[slate crown]

When did you download it?

[raven dew]

like 30 min ago

[slate crown]

Oh don't touch those

[raven dew]

oh whoops

[slate crown]

Use the custom options page

[raven dew]

should tick 1 be checked or unchecked?

[slate crown]

Shouldn't matter, the custom options page overrides

[raven dew]

gotcha ok

[slate crown]

Also tea tick isn't really operative anymore

I left it in for compatibility but we don't use tea based on a timeline point like we used to

[raven dew]

oooo ok

ill leave em ticked off then

👌 these addons are so awesome ty again

[slate crown]

[haughty shoal]

The deathmark + trinket addon is not working properly, can someone share a working one please?

[pure moth]

Do you mean macro?

[keen spruce]

addon?

hi @pure moth happy turkey

[pure moth]

Thanks happy turkey to you as well! i may have had steak instead hah

[haughty shoal]

I mean macro sorry

[hollow river]

You have to make sure your trinket is in the correct trinket slot

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use 13
/cast Deathmark

You have to have /use 13 or /use 14
Whatever slot the trinket is in. Or it won’t use the trinket.

[misty moat]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[topaz egret]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rotund oak]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

its basic rotational knowledge 🙂

[west crown]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[hollow gazelle]

should i be reapplying bleeds during deathmark or do they just do the extra dps when activating? was reading some stuff and was thinking about the wording of it

[raven phoenix]

bleeds should be refreshed before DM as far as i know

they always get copied i think. but you wouldnt want to waste DM time on reapplying bleeds

[hollow gazelle]

thats how ive been doing it i was just hoping i wasnt missing some dps lol

[spice spire]

This doesn’t matter

[runic hinge]

does anything matter?

[spice spire]

Common Koji W

[snow kindle]

is there any plater profile for scent of blood tracking

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[glacial stump]

Guys this might be a super dumb questions, but the poison splash animation that happens wtf actually is that ?

I’ve legit always thought it was a caustic spatter animation, but without it talented it still does it, I feel so lost

[clever sapphire]

Poison bomb

[clever sapphire]

Afaik people track that on a weakaura not on their plater

[glacial stump]

I’ve legit always thought that was caustic spatter splashing all my shit in aoe

Oh no

This whole time I’ve been panicking trying to fit as many envenoms into my mark window to ‘splash’ everything in aoe

Which I guess is still the case if nothing else

[snow kindle]

nah i need a plater

to know who and what is ruptured

color tracking

[gloomy heart]

Do we play CT on ovinax

[snow kindle]

you can

[gloomy heart]

i think i saw ur yt vid ^ LOL

[snow kindle]

[gloomy heart]

Randomly popped up on my feed

enjoy my 1 view

[snow quest]

does the execute part of sudden demise work at all in sims?

[snow kindle]

why wouldnt it?

It is very minor ngl

[snow quest]

can't see it in the damage breakdown, maybe it's reported under something else

[snow kindle]

in dungeon slice?

[snow quest]

yeah

[snow kindle]

weird

did u check talents

its common ppl dont take sudden demise usually

unless its your own sim

[gloomy heart]

is it a HUGE loss if i run depths in m+ and raid

i want the extra raid damage

[snow quest]

I was simming talent setups so I'm sure the sim has it yeah

[snow kindle]

dont run dpeths

not much gain

unless pure st

[clever sapphire]

Whispyrs plater changes colors based on mark and spatter, not sure if any1 has colored plates for bleeds

[clever sapphire]

For me radiant simmed higher even in st

Would sim it personally

[clever sapphire]

Nope it does not (i remember being told)

Im not saying by who because if im wrong im not putting the blame on anyone else

[frosty bridge]

Download the flame shock plater mod from wago

And you can just change the ID to rupture

[sick garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/fed-gif-20842880

[balmy condor]

it does not

[snow quest]

thanks!

[clever sapphire]

ha i remembered correctly

me smart

[frosty bridge]

Or this https://wago.io/C6clrxJHn

[frosty bridge]

i was always curious, does the execute part contribute to singular focus?

[balmy condor]

yes

[obsidian cargo]

is it a big difference between radiant power vs authority of depts enchant?

[snow kindle]

just go radiant

[obsidian cargo]

thanks!

[royal lantern]

sim

and the answer is not really

[timid sonnet]

How exactly does spatter work with bosses with big models? Like Ovinax?

[royal lantern]

its 12yards from the middle of the boss model

[timid sonnet]

lol thats probably still in the boss when it comes to Ovinax :p

[royal lantern]

its why splatter is ussules on blodbound and weird on rash

[timid sonnet]

hmm

[wind spruce]

heya, is there a certain amount of energy you should hold/pool at least for the Kingsbane windows in ST?

[royal lantern]

i mean, all adds are under the Boss

if they are not, you are wiping lol

[timid sonnet]

idk people seem to have foudn a way to pump on Rashanan (either they dont have fury warriors etc or idk)

my logs indicate I dont pad enough there

[royal lantern]

well, the way is

"guys, can i pad on adds this week?"

[balmy condor]

12

[royal lantern]

pls dont hit me for spreading Missinformation

[balmy condor]

spatter range

is fucking giga

!ban @dusky junco spam

[royal lantern]

whisp, delete

[wise pike]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[snow kindle]

i dont see any top logs really padding though

its not too hard to 1.6+ on rash st

[sudden badger]

hello i have a technical question.
Whenever i enter a pack, i go
Stealth > Ambush > garrote > rupture > garrote > rupture

Yesterday i changed my talents and now i cant seem to do Garrote>rupture>garrote > rupture
It seems like i have "actvie" garrote and it attacks twice with garrote

Is this some thing i changed in talents or my keyboard is fucked up ? Also i fcked up and didnt save my last talents so cant go back

[snow kindle]

imp garrote or IC would make it glow

You shouldnt garrote > rup > garr either

[sudden badger]

yea i was doing it that way

but now

I use garote

and cant use rupture for 2-3 auto attacks

?

[snow kindle]

do you have serrated bone spikes

you should just link your talents

[sudden badger]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalker/DANFVVFRRBUVUmJBCURNVUVVEUZEQFKFUBFEFVVUCEA

i do have serrated

[snow kindle]

what do you mean by attacks twice with garrote

[sudden badger]

I use garrote, and spam my rupture, it does not apply rupture it applies another garrote

[snow kindle]

that has to be something with macros or keyboard that aint normal

[sudden badger]

when i attack dummies (5 of them) after first garrote i have DOT on 3 targets, then character use AA, and another 2 garrotes are applied

but as i said it happend after talent change

[dusty phoenix]

I am highly confused by the things i read

[snow kindle]

theres no talents that would do that is why i say its probably keyboard/macro

[sudden badger]

i moved new spells to action bar

[snow kindle]

either your keyboard is scuffed your buttons are in shambles or you have sticky keys/activate on release on

[sudden badger]

it happend to me befoe btw

also after talent change

and i swapped back

and everything was normal

im not shitting you

xD

wait ima upload a clip

[cobalt sphinx]

probably a target dummy or dornogal or pvp talent thing

[subtle tundra]

im so curious

[cobalt sphinx]

or you're lagging

or your spell queue window is way too long

because that aint happenin to nobody else bruv

[sudden badger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdKvC-DjJeY

notice how i spam Rupture

2nd skill on upper bar

[balmy condor]

bro that's your stealth bar

lmao

[snow kindle]

Lmao

[cobalt sphinx]

bro is in subterfuge spamming garrote

[snow kindle]

bruh

[sudden badger]

😐

[snow kindle]

thatll do it

[sudden badger]

im new to the game my man XD

[snow kindle]

this talent

you are basically in stealth for 6s

after being out of stealth

[sudden badger]

ok i see

so should i use this subterfuge ?

[snow kindle]

up to you it is what most people are currently doing in m+

[balmy condor]

you should use it

[sudden badger]

what are benefits of it tho ?

[balmy condor]

what you're seeing is your bar swap to your stealth bar

[sudden badger]

is it good that i cant use rupture ?

[balmy condor]

it's a natural state of the game

[sudden badger]

holy

fuck

[balmy condor]

when you enter stealth

[sudden badger]

XD

[balmy condor]

that bar changes

[sudden badger]

im an idiot lol

XDDDD

[rotund oak]

U arent its the rogue thats complicated

[sudden badger]

u know i destryoed my mouse over it yesterday XD?

[rotund oak]

u can mask ur bars or make them not switch and confuse u

[sudden badger]

i was thinking that my keyboard is failing or smth

was so fuckin angry

jesus

[rotund oak]

im sorry to hear that 😦

[sharp viper]

@sudden badgerI can recommend putting all abilities on the same keybinds, regardless of they require stealth or not

[sudden badger]

yea

im doing it right now

also im changinc opacity of bars

i have like 10 % thats why i havent noticed it

and later was so angrry

[snow kindle]

happens

wow is confusing

[sudden badger]

it is

[snow kindle]

rogue is also one of the more confusing specs in the game so you got alotta learnin

[spring stream]

rogues are damn awesome

[rotund oak]

its the peak of innovative thought/processing

[sudden badger]

yea it is not that simple

buy i think i fairly got it working

i mean i have like what 300 h in the game

[runic hinge]

You are

[sudden badger]

and doing +9-10 on PUG

with friends im going like 10-11 no problem

so its alright for me

[rotund oak]

that doesnt say much,m+ is fairly ....(living this empty coz i dont wanna be rude) content

[sudden badger]

havin fun tho so its good

maybe dunno

as i said having fun so that whats matter

but after yesterday

was about to uninstall

hate when my keyboard/mouse failing me

[rotund oak]

yup rogue can be rly fun and it gets alot better the more u start understanding how to utilize the kit

[sudden badger]

and thats what i was thinking was happening xd

[rotund oak]

can be extremely powerful

[sudden badger]

what do you mean the kit ?

[rotund oak]

the skills the class/spec uses

as a total

[sudden badger]

a ok

[rotund oak]

coz there is no way with 300 hours u can utilize even half of it

[sudden badger]

prolly

gimme a tip then please !

[rotund oak]

no magic there,its practice

test and trial

rogue is the one class that can do some crazy things and its pretty situational

u need to learn to adapt contantly

but thats also content depended

[sudden badger]

o i have a question tho\

[rotund oak]

anything if i can help

[sudden badger]

i saw a video once of rouge making caster (arakara before first Spider i think) to approach tank after he used spell on it

dunno what was it

[rotund oak]

thats tricks of the trade

it transfers all the threat generated by the rogue to the tank for a certain amount of time

[sudden badger]

and it will approach tank then ?

like swap from distance to melee ?

[rotund oak]

yes its as the tank hits the mob when u hit it

no thats snaping

when u hit a pack with tricks but its on a fair distance there are ways to make them instantly teleport

its one of the ways tricks breaks the game

works with the hunter's misdirect as well
And here comes again what ive mentioned earlier about learning to utilize the kit to its full potential^^

[grim jay]

It is and it isnt at the same time

[flint star]

Can you Evasion this in NW?

[cobalt sphinx]

nope

that's a spell

evasion will reduce the damage though

by a lot with bait and switch and elusiveness

[grim jay]

Not using tricks is the best way to use tricks

[flint star]

I mean you can Evasion spit on the first boss

[subtle tundra]

yes but they are not the same thing

blizz coding

[hardy dawn]

Hey guys what talent build are u using in M+?

[pure moth]

you could also disable your stealth bar

[grim jay]

its also physical

is it not?

[subtle tundra]

im physical

with you

[grim jay]

promise?

[subtle tundra]

🧑‍🏫

[rotund oak]

[left abyss]

has anyone got a macro for selecting the target with mark on

i keep losing it on aoe

[clever sapphire]

whatever im feeling like playing at the time of entering a key

[clever sapphire]

you could put the target in focus and just get a macro to target your focus

[blazing pumice]

yeah focusing is bad tho

[pure moth]

Pretty sure one of the plater profiles listed in !wa has a glow on the mark target so it's easy to get back to

[clever sapphire]

whispyrs has that

well its not a glow

but a distinct color

[left abyss]

ok ty will check it out

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fringe crater]

I've asked about this extensively in this discord. That ability is an "attack" so you can evasion it. Interestingly this also means that you can only cloak it the first second, as cloak only gives immunity the first second for anything magic related. After that first second, cloak only immunes "spells".

[left abyss]

do you know if this also works with other plater profiles ? i have one for dungeons already for example

[fringe crater]

There should be a command for it

!nw

[prisma monolith]

The breath/frontal from the first boss in Necrotic Wake is an attack, not a spell.

In order to immune the the breath, you must be in the first second of cloak of shadows (“a moment of magic immunity”). After the first second of cloak of shadows has elapsed, the attack will hit you and no longer be immuned.
Alternatively you can use evasion to dodge the breath.

[pure moth]

Im not sure if you can copy the marked info into what you already have? Not sure if it works the same way as weak auras

[flint star]

So I have to cloak one second before cast?

[fringe crater]

At most 1 second, yes. Otherwise you just flop over

[winged quail]

You can download Whispyr’s player and find the mod/script for the glow effect, then just import it in to the profile you currently use

Also recommend yoinking the pandemic glow from his player profile too

[fringe crater]

https://not-even-close.com/

This is a great tool to use for all dungeons

[flint star]

Thank you

[subtle tundra]

one second before it hits you

so between 0.9999 and 0.000001

[flint star]

I want to see their codebase so much

There is some fucked up shit going on

[blazing pumice]

https://wago.io/398Lv0cuq

[subtle tundra]

this same thing applies to sikran

for his aoe

you can cloak it, but only first 1 sec

[fringe crater]

There's a lot of "funky" interactions

[worldly dock]

Guys how much haste we need ?

[clever sapphire]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[clever sapphire]

this is the most accurate answer to that question

[worldly dock]

ty

that leads to my next question then

we play DS?

or Fatebound?

[clever sapphire]

ds

i see no reason to play fatebound

well i guess it can sim higher in full ST

[worldly dock]

so we want more mastery/haste then

[clever sapphire]

but its pretty gambling

[agile wedge]

i play fb and not caring about mark on later bosses is nice

[clever sapphire]

sim will generally go more toward mastery/haste ye

[agile wedge]

but i tried both and if you can live with rng, fb is fine as well

[clever sapphire]

tbh the lack of any visual or interaction with the hero tree just makes it boring to me

its not even the gambling part

[agile wedge]

you drop a coin

you can see it 😄

[worldly dock]

i wasnt sure if i should get crafted gear with haste/mastery

[sullen phoenix]

can anyone pls explain me like you explain to dumb man how does forced induction works?

[clever sapphire]

aye i will see the coin in the middle of 30 warlock pets, 10 hunter pets, all the melee visuals

[clever sapphire]

you can always just sim it

[worldly dock]

well im not that good at simming

i simply use droptimizer

or top gear

but not sure how to do this stuff

[clever sapphire]

ye that works, you can just insert item XY into top gear with the stats you want

if you really wanna check about stats

[worldly dock]

so theres a way to sim for a item with diferent stats?

[grim jay]

it just adds one more combopoint in the background

to the damage calculation

[clever sapphire]

here you insert the item, ilvl and even stats

its on the top of top gear

[worldly dock]

and then sim them?

wow lol

[clever sapphire]

yap

[sullen phoenix]

so it doesnt give extra 3rd cb like super charger, we always get 2 from supercharger, but it just buff it dmg?

[clever sapphire]

i can just add any item, and its like i had it in my inventory

[grim jay]

well you then get 3 from supercharger basically

[sullen phoenix]

uuh so confusing, is it important to min max super charger or i just should send envenoms like normal rotation?

[clever sapphire]

just normal rota

[worldly dock]

that will help me a lot ty

[grim jay]

you just go on about your life as usual

[clever sapphire]

you can like finish at 5 with supercharger up and consume the DN stack that needs you to be at 7

[worldly dock]

but wich stats do you usually sim? haste mastery and crit/mastery?

[grim jay]

even the DN stuff isnt much of a gain

[clever sapphire]

whatever floats my boat

[grim jay]

all of them except crit vers

[clever sapphire]

sometimes i just remove a gem from one of my items, see what simmed the highest and then put the top 3 gem stats into top gear as items

[sullen phoenix]

got it, one more question guys forced induction is better than lethality for ST atm in myth raid?

[clever sapphire]

aye but i like doing it on opener when i dont get 7 cp but have supercharger up

[sullen phoenix]

i mean sims higher?

[clever sapphire]

for me aye

[grim jay]

gotta sim it. it sims equal for me to 1 leth

as in like 800 dps diff

[sullen phoenix]

got it ! ty all ❤️

[spring stream]

no problem

[worldly dock]

any ideea why it says unable to generate a valid combination?>

[grim jay]

because you didnt select gear in the other slots

[cobalt sphinx]

probably needs more crests

[grim jay]

you unselected everything which is wrong

[cobalt sphinx]

oh yeah you area also naked

[worldly dock]

ohh damn

[sudden badger]

guys about Subterfuge, how to utilize it best way ?

[grim jay]

you just press buttons as usual

you can spread to potentially more targets, especially while being lazy, and throw in another garrote silence on a mob that needs one

else its mostly MA

[sudden badger]

MA ?

[grim jay]

master assassin

[sudden badger]

ok

is it worht to spread dots to more targets tho ?

or i keep it usuall 5-6 targets ?

[grim jay]

rupture is kinda useless on more than 5

but garrote is pretty fine

with ironwire especially

even more so if you run sudden demise

[subtle tundra]

ILL DOT HOWEVER MUCH I WANT

can someone put a christmas hat on my little turt?

fuck i dont think i have the original pic on me rn

[tepid mantle]

How do you sim your char on raidbots? 4 minutes 5 bosses patchwerk or dungeon slice or sth else entirely?

[grim jay]

patchwerk 1 target 5 min for raid

dungeonslice for m+

[sullen phoenix]

do we still wait 2 sec for envenom to expire then refresh it on st?

[grim jay]

you try to keep up both stacks now

because twist the knife now allows for 2 envenom buffs

[sullen phoenix]

my god it doesnt show me on my WA..

[grim jay]

because its old probably

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sullen phoenix]

idd...

[grim jay]

whispyr has a tracker in his

or LEs rogue collection has a separate one

if you dont want a full ui WA

[sullen phoenix]

il import now.. jesus

ty so much

[grim jay]

yw

[worldly dock]

The assa guide A-Z from whyspir from 3 months ago it’s still ok?

Or I should maybe try to watch a different one?

[sullen phoenix]

i think he updated recently

[clever sapphire]

id say most of the stuff is still probably gonna be relevant

[blissful pecan]

i found out that discarding iron wire in m+ gives whole lot more dmg if you are not running super high keys

sanguine blades does more dmg

[trail locust]

What if my fight is only 3 minutes

[grim jay]

still 5 mins

who cares for that kind of stuff

[grim jay]

its not a whole lot really

[sullen phoenix]

is it worth using envenom with 3 cb for sake of keeping 2 stacks up?

[grim jay]

no

finisher rule is always 5+ unless you need 7

[trail locust]

so if i want to optimise 3 minutes, i want to actually optimise 5 minutes

[grim jay]

idk who the fuck wants to optimize 3 mins

or what that has to do with people asking for general simming advise

[warm vortex]

Does zodyak effefct envenom

[grim jay]

yes

[worldly dock]

we play with deadly and amplifing poison right?

[grim jay]

yes

[worldly dock]

in the wowhead guide it is suggested a culminating blasphemite and then one of each color

any1 can help what does that mean?

[grim jay]

culminating blasphemite grants you critical hit damage for every unique gem type you slot

[clever sapphire]

you have onyx, emerald, ruby and whatever all the gems are

you want one of each

[worldly dock]

atm i can afford 7 gems slots

1 is blasphemite so 6 more

[grim jay]

there are only 4 types

[clever sapphire]

ye i forgot about them all

i just know of onyx and ruby

maybe emerald?

or was that df

[grim jay]

idk tbf

its easier to refer to color

I guess

[clever sapphire]

so blue red black green i think

xD

[grim jay]

purple instead of black

but ye

[clever sapphire]

onyx in my head is black for some reason

no reason why

[subtle tundra]

woah getting a damage talent gives dmg

youre a genious

regardless, play iron wire when you need it

fuck your dmg

[tawdry gulch]

utility for grp is fun to have

and use

[grim jay]

genius

[subtle tundra]

sorry

[grim jay]

but a genius wouldnt say its much

[tawdry gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/but-thats-just-my-opinion-just-what-i-think-my-thoughts-thats-my-two-cents-thats-how-i-see-it-gif-14185830

[subtle tundra]

sorry

[grim jay]

its okey

[subtle tundra]

dont beat me

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-you-on-your-forehead-kevin-gates-gif-10688764775977343284

[grim jay]

I know you like getting beaten

[subtle tundra]

yea by a woman taller and stronger than me

are you that

gah

[tawdry gulch]

dommy mommy

[grim jay]

I can change my gender, I might be taller and stronger than you

so we can get that potentially

[tawdry gulch]

ill film it

[cobalt haven]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-lip-bite-emoji-gif-27518891

[grim jay]

I'll lend myself whispyrs cat ears

[cerulean maple]

Yeah but number go up :(

The obvious solution is to just get to 635 and look at overall

But even then by being that ilvl alone you're like guaranteed 90+

[stiff vine]

!macro

!macros

[rotund oak]

[stiff vine]

what is blindside macro for auto ambush on same keybind as mut?

[spice surge]

Nothing

It does that by default

[desert crest]

Largest number is the most acuate one

[worldly dock]

is the wowhead build for m+ ok to play with? is some1 else playing other build?

[rotund oak]

irrelevant but do u have a mage

[spice surge]

no

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah wowhead builds are good

[tawdry mica]

i go by archon gg builds, you can see most used/alternative ones

[clever sapphire]

wowhead build got updated after all the cooking by whispyr so it is the m+ build yap

but you can adjust all the things you want

[worldly dock]

some of guides i see they play with Sanguine blades

on m+

but i dont see it on wowhead

[royal lantern]

assa m+ builds are

"pick IC+Kingsbane+Spatter, the rest is a giant whatever"

[blissful pecan]

How can i get higher numbers on logs? I thought i played it perfect but i got 69

My goal is to get 95+

[cobalt sphinx]

do more damage son

[blissful pecan]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RFqGT14YMdPyn3zQ#fight=71&type=damage-done

I practiced ST rotation so much but i just seem to have lower dmgs compared to others

[royal lantern]

cus parses dont mean shit

killtimers/externals/mechanics/rng all play a gigantic factor for them

[rotund oak]

also ''so much'' is relative and doesnt rly mean alot

[blissful pecan]

Like i wanna improve but i feel kinda stuck because idk what im doing wrong

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[cobalt sphinx]

hard fight to parse on

[royal lantern]

bad killtimer

just from first glance

boss died when you where about to use CD's

[rotund oak]

yeah 6:12

[tawdry mica]

until what extent that would have improved the parse though

genuinely asking

[royal lantern]

by a good chunk?

[tawdry mica]

dang

[royal lantern]

assa is a CD spec lol

most of the dmg is done during cds

[blissful pecan]

So there isnt anything i can do better? I thought my rotation was doomed or smt

[royal lantern]

again:

parses are a meme cus there are 20000factors playing into them, and you cant really controll many of them anyway

[sharp viper]

2nd and third deathmark are a bit delayed

[cobalt sphinx]

there are probably plenty of things you can do better

there are quite a few people doing 1.5-1.6 with that kill time

[sharp viper]

exactly what a low parser would say

[royal lantern]

i low parse your pants

[rotund oak]

generally the less time a kill takes the better.That being said,there are ppl that hack their logs and compress kill timers to make logs look better

a reason to really think about logs this time around

we had 4-5 hacked logs on this channel

[keen spruce]

I go to sleep for 4 hours and yall let vaeira out of Pedro chat to shit post

[tawdry mica]

so if a good amount of logs are manipulated what's the point of comparing yourself with a number smh

[royal lantern]

you should not

[cobalt sphinx]

hacked logs are copium

[royal lantern]

people say that for a decade now

parses are kinda stupid

[tawdry mica]

if you feel you're doing alright and you manage to beat the boss that's all that matters

[cobalt sphinx]

it's easy to get orange on 4/8

[rotund oak]

well most of those if not all are deleted in relatively small time after uploaded.Its just ppl doing stupid things to just look good

[sharp viper]

or the higher your cd uptime per time spent on the fight is the better your parse will be - getting another set of 2 min cds is huge, especially with boss below 35%

[blissful pecan]

I know logs are fucked for 1,2,4,5th boss so im just tryna focus on ST bosses

[rotund oak]

also hi there bb

[tawdry mica]

I see

[royal lantern]

if you go consistently gray, yeha you should check what you do wrong, but parses just dont really mean anything in the grand sheme

[sharp viper]

oh yeah, GET YOUR ASS BACK IN THERE

the pedro mines are calling

[glacial stump]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sharp viper]

I also didn't sanction your sleep time, that's overtime in #1231592737221120152 for you, shmeeps

unpaid!

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[worldly dock]

what is the Caustic Spatter dmg in keys? how many %?

[sharp viper]

depending on the pulls between 13-25% i'd estimate

[novel star]

i would think it’s low if i saw 13 tbh

but yeah could always be shit tank

u right

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-star-trek-gif-19129737

[ornate wagon]

Guys can 629 boe items from AH be turned into tier pls? Ty

[cobalt sphinx]

yes

[sharp viper]

yes

[ornate wagon]

Ty guys ♥️👍

[spring stream]

yes

[rotund oak]

yes

[sharp viper]

yes

[grim jay]

how about that

I'm gonna give it a spin based on your suggestion

[sharp viper]

beautiful

you and varas are trying to give whispyr a stroke

[golden loom]

Isnt internal bleeding better here since you have carnage?

[grim jay]

but tryan said we need spatter

so I couldnt swap it out

[golden loom]

oh frick

[wintry trout]

Guys how much dmg do i lose if i use Bitcoin Hero talent over DS ?

[golden loom]

flip coins well gain damage

[grim jay]

-1 in ST

(losing a negative amount is a gain)

[wintry trout]

👍

[cobalt sphinx]

in what content

it is griefing pretty hard in any content with mulitple targets

[wintry trout]

fair enough

[worldly dock]

in m+ how much should we use envenom?

[balmy condor]

It’s your main finisher

If you have dots up, you envenom

If you don’t have dots up, you get dots up, then envenom

[worldly dock]

i think i do some mistakes with deathmark and kingsbane

shiv too

but i gotta practice a little more

last key i've done sudden demis was top 1 dmg

[iron carbon]

What key level?

It make sense if it's very low key

[grim jay]

#assassination message do you approve?

for m+

[worldly dock]

was m2

[iron carbon]

Make sense then

Packs get executed cuz they last 5 seconds, just the time to put bleeds

[worldly dock]

oh

i see

and its important to swtich target after rupture to get spatter on them right?

[grim jay]

spatter is 1 target only

and the target needs to have rupture + deadly poison, then you apply it with mut/ambush

after that you cleave off of that one target

and hit others

[worldly dock]

oh so u cant have spatter on 5 tagets

[grim jay]

no

[worldly dock]

damn

playing main enha shaman.. i tought its like getting lightning rod on as many targets posible

[subtle tundra]

i wanna stroke whispyr? or wdym

not wrong

[grim jay]

I'm pretty sure we all wanna

[sharp viper]

one in his brain and one in his pants

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/zod-man-of-steel-walk-gif-25196357

[sullen phoenix]

Davyn is it even possible to keep 2 envenoms 100% uptime?

[grim jay]

no

but you just chain them for as long as you can

[worldly dock]

is this for ST or AOE? i cant understand the question 100%

[grim jay]

ST, you are swimming in energy on aoe

[sullen phoenix]

also when i have super charger, spender still respect 5+ cp? like expamle i have 2 charges i still build to 5 then spend?

[pure moth]

Yes, always finish at 5+

[drifting cedar]

!shiv

[worldly dock]

Deathmark should be used after our bleeds are on the target right?

[grim jay]

yes

and after envenom

optimally

[sullen phoenix]

one thing confuses me tho, opener on st says: ambush>garrote>rupture, but sometimes i get only 4 cp from ambush+garrote? should i rupture anyway 4cp or mutilate once before rupture?

[grim jay]

it depends on your talents

but if you dont hit 5, you will mut

[subtle tundra]

davyn is right...