assassination

[keen spruce]

except CoT and GB

[grim jay]

Not even stamina?

[keen spruce]

dude i'm casual now I can't raid

so i have to play mini game

[tawny geyser]

As a M+ pusher, this one truly sucks. I stopped at 3.1k

[quiet oar]

What about DN?

[balmy condor]

shmeeps can you kobe bryant your next flight

[grim jay]

I only hate siege with passion

[keen spruce]

[quiet oar]

[keen spruce]

that was a helicopter

[tawny geyser]

Whyy, siege juicyy

[balmy condor]

do a barrel roll

[keen spruce]

I'm also literally learning the part of flying that directly led to that crash

[balmy condor]

dude idfk

[grim jay]

Sounds like german history class

[balmy condor]

I simmed the ring once and it was like -3%

[keen spruce]

tbf it's a very broad part of flying

[balmy condor]

you think I give a fuck what the ring has?

[keen spruce]

that pilot just giga fucked up

[grim jay]

I hope it doesnt have stamina so you will have plenty m+ brains talking about how bad it is for high keys

[keen spruce]

we still ran sark cloak in keys

[balmy condor]

until they like double the socket effects

the ring is useless

stamina or not

[grim jay]

And you had people crying about it

[keen spruce]

i mean maybe

they just leave it bad

and ride that ring transmog wave

[grim jay]

Maybe they just made it for casuals

[keen spruce]

surely

[shy creek]

i joked at a tank drinking mana by saying "Fuckin healers these days man"

and he got mad at me and left

LMFAOO

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/icedout-ringpop-ring-bling-jewelry-gif-4724587

Shmeeps with ring moggs

[grim jay]

What is that situation even

[shy creek]

idk man

4 am 13 gb was stressin the guy out ig

[subtle tundra]

theyll buff it so its an upgrade so everyone does the content

guaranteed

then nerf it

[balmy condor]

yes

it's dragonflight

I've seen this before

we all know it's gonna happen

[frosty bridge]

yup

tbf they did state they want it to be strong so

basically guaranteed it gets buffed

[placid radish]

one ring to outsim them all

[grim jay]

Pro tipp

It cant outsim them if you dont sim

[quiet oar]

BIG BRAIN

THATS WHY WE PAYING YOU THE BIG BUCKS DAVYN

[grim jay]

Its hella smart

Basically Schrödingers DPS

[marble hemlock]

well played

[subtle tundra]

it was against me.. easiest win of his life

[cedar hare]

Is there a trinket list for AOE

[worldly sail]

1. skardyns
2. idk stat stick

[cedar hare]

^^

[worldly sail]

i think wowhead has the trinket list but i dont think its separated by aoe

im still a huge ovinax egg believer

been ever since i got it from vault

[orchid pewter]

Its big ilvl and stats, should be good

Im farming delves every week to get ritual knife on hc track

Says enough about our 2nd trinket choice

[worldly sail]

the best part about egg is that you can't even check how well you managed the stacks on logs

[solar wyvern]

I like empowering crystal and sac brood the most

Get a mastery roll on crystal going into cds mmmmm yummy

As my passive trinket, Skardyns obv required

[sharp viper]

got my egg yday and was severely disappointed when I discovered that

[subtle tundra]

y'all notice your passive aaaah trinekts?!?

id understand knife cause its a debuff

[worldly sail]

egg users win again

not too hard to have it set to 20-10 or so just for cooldowns

[sharp viper]

I'm also glad the egg on use doesn't have the normal shared trinket cd of 20s

[worldly sail]

i would never press egg if that was the case

[soft shale]

yea it helps a lot

[cobalt sphinx]

hero talents were a mistake

demo and fdk/uhdk hero talents are so bad

random shit slapped onto your build that you don't even interact with but have heavy rng dictating 35+% of your damage

[placid radish]

doesn't fdk get a new button

[sharp viper]

i don't know about dk but demo has adaptive playstyle to the hero talent

and diabolist flavour and visuals >>> rest

[placid radish]

similar with frost mage
spellslinger changes the priority of the spells

or rather

makes pressing freezing orb giga important

[grim jay]

Hero talents are good if executed well

Rng is always shit

[royal lantern]

so like

6 of them

[spring stream]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

Probably

Maybe they ll get them right in midnight

[blazing pumice]

ok another curly q

how do i not die to add spawning in ara 2nd boss

i've had it spawn and insta kill me

a couple of times now

[placid radish]

second boss ara-kara?

[blazing pumice]

ye

[clever sapphire]

dont stand in melee range

[blazing pumice]

they seem to spawn wherever

[clever sapphire]

tbh i never got hit by any of the adds

and i basically shadowstep - rupture them on spawn

[placid radish]

so the add oneshots you with melee

?

[midnight mist]

they spawn toward the corners

if you are more mid side

you are safe

[midnight mist]

if it crit ye

[placid radish]

I thought the add doesn't melee after spawning

he just starts casting

[midnight mist]

they do

[placid radish]

unless kicked

[midnight mist]

they have agro

they are like normal adds with agro idk

[blazing pumice]

o yeah ok it was a crit

[quiet oar]

Where Crit immune gear !?

[hard wolf]

Hey guys,

I've been trying to get up to speed on assa rogue. feeling I do pretty ok in aoe situations. But single target, I cant seem to do much.

I do decent dps in kingsbane/deathmark window, but after that it just drops to horrific levels :X

Im a bit oddly geared, 33% mastery/20% haste and 15% crit.. will a crit shift do alot to my damage? I feel singletarget, I often have to just stand there and watch my engergy tick back up :X

any help here would be greatly appriciated!

[iron carbon]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[hard wolf]

So I've aimed to have envenom up all the time

But, if that doesnt help much? Is it just a me issue? :X

Bleeds + envenom

[iron carbon]

I mean, don't spam in st

Just refresh in pandemic

[hard wolf]

I usually just refresh envenom before it drops

[iron carbon]

Or >50% energy

And sin ST is bad

Out of cd

[hard wolf]

Yeah ok, I thought I was doing something horrificly wrong :X

[iron carbon]

Not, it stuck around 900k 1m

At the end of fight

[low ruin]

This actually makes little to no difference, just an fyi

[hard wolf]

What do you mean here? if I might ask?

[low ruin]

refreshing envenom in pandemic for TTK uptime, vs not caring about pandemic at all for either stacks makes no difference to dps

[iron carbon]

If not playing ttk?

[west crown]

we refresh at like .1 seconds now

ttk is matters less, but you still maintain envenom uptime

[tardy trench]

Anyone feel like theres just a ridiculous amount of passives in this game to track now and just ignore 90% of them like me

[low ruin]

ttk or not i havnt to date done a sim where waiting for pandemic range vs just sending it is a dps gain. it's either the same or slightly lower.

[iron carbon]

Just sim patchwerk st in MM build, you'll see how much the bot do damages

[west crown]

this only matters in cds

[low ruin]

but tldr is you dont need to play around TTK at all.

[iron carbon]

Why you bullshiting Seny?

[west crown]

outside of cds you are consistently upkeeping both stacks in st anyway

[west crown]

also, try to get less haste on your gear. 10% tops

[rotund oak]

?

[iron carbon]

Legit commands say play around envenom uptime

[low ruin]

go sim it if you dont believe me

[west crown]

sim this sim that, wrong

[rotund oak]

sim what exactly?

the ttk uptime?

ttk vs something else

its ttk

outlaws man

[west crown]

revert ttk, outlaws will leave because they cant spam as much

problem solved

[quiet oar]

Stats are a lie btw

on sin

it doesnt matter

all are close

[west crown]

it "matters"

[quiet oar]

No

Item lvl

is what matters

[west crown]

im not doing as much damage with 60% verse is my point

[quiet oar]

Ofcourse Vers and other stats lose their value when hitting DR

[tardy trench]

Propaganda, name checks out

[west crown]

someone gets it

[quiet oar]

It literally is whatever

[oak tangle]

dafuq does this even mean

[low ruin]

change the clip envenom condition in the sims and remove &buff.envenom.remains.1<=1 and your sim will be exactly the same.

or dont, i dont care

[west crown]

that

xD

not even entertaining that

[humble verge]

anyone here whos tried running Skardyn+Transmitter in raid?

[tardy trench]

No

[quiet oar]

No but why

[iron carbon]

Sounds weird

[humble verge]

have yet to touch my vault, its so embarrasingly bad this week

ive got everything i need here

[west crown]

ocarina surely

vers is good

[humble verge]

🧌

[quiet oar]

Using a second on use only buffs the single KB

[humble verge]

yeah

thtat was my though tho

[iron carbon]

That is 0 damages kb

Tbh

[tardy trench]

Damn and i thought my vault was ass

[humble verge]

its either that

or this

[iron carbon]

Get a gem

[humble verge]

emphasis on avoidance

[iron carbon]

As Idid

[humble verge]

gem?

[quiet oar]

Myth Track items > Hero track

[humble verge]

guhuh?

[iron carbon]

Socket

[humble verge]

oh

[iron carbon]

To put a gem

[humble verge]

the nerubia gemweaver

hmm maybe

[tardy trench]

Honestly just delete it snd create a new rogue

[humble verge]

real

need to try outlaw

[winged quail]

you can catalyst the head if you don't have a myth track one

[humble verge]

i do

[winged quail]

lmao L

[humble verge]

all my tier is myth

lmao

i only have non-tier myth legs

since its more mastery

like 100 more

or no its 100 more crit

or i cant remember

[iron carbon]

Avoidance or socket

Chose your upgrade

I looking for boots

Still got 619

[humble verge]

need boots from sikran

🙏

raid today so

[iron carbon]

Yes plzzzzz

Didn't drop yezterday

Didn't drop for 6 weeks

[humble verge]

i do hope for like

ovi trinket too

today or sunday

[west crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[humble verge]

🙏

[west crown]

yeah crazy

stats matter

[humble verge]

nah just

ilvl

fr fr

[west crown]

dont want to ever hear they dont

because vers is BAD

[humble verge]

yeah if youre like

15 vers

15 crit

then youre doing something wrong

honestly looks like socket is the way to go

idk maybe i should get more vers

[cunning needle]

yeah unless its a jewellery piece, you always take the ilvl upgrade

vers isnt even that bad

[humble verge]

its slight survivability

which helps

at higher %

[cunning needle]

yeah

like you dont want to stack it sure

but it's not negative dps

[humble verge]

suggestable for m+ is like

crit mastery 40 each, vers and haste 10 each

[grim jay]

Cope

[humble verge]

???

idk how its coping

[grim jay]

It wont realistically help you survive anything relevant at a point you'd want to run it

And no sane person just stacks vers for survivability

[humble verge]

emphasis on the >slightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslightslight

yeah

theres no reason to go vers

if youre not

sub

[cunning needle]

or outlaw

[placid radish]

sin mastery really good

[humble verge]

outlaw still need vers?

hmm

[solar wyvern]

Yes

[cunning needle]

isnt it outlaw crit/vers

[placid radish]

outlaw mastery giga shit

[cunning needle]

sub - vers/mast
assi - crit/mast
outlaw - vers/crit

what great distribution

[solar wyvern]

Haste20/10%>verse>=crit>>haste>>>mastery

[humble verge]

kek

[solar wyvern]

Is outlaw

Its actually terrible to gear all 3 specs cause of the stupid haste requirement

[humble verge]

just make a new char for each spec

:DDDDDD

[solar wyvern]

Since sub would be happy with negative haste

Xd yeah nty

Im not running splits

[humble verge]

after i opened vault i cried

[grim jay]

Wdym

You just need some valorstones

Which kinda are a meme at this point anyways

[humble verge]

still having to farm or roll for all gear

[solar wyvern]

I don't have enough haste gear without horrendous amounts of mastery to reach 20%. Thats not even considering getting said gear on myth track (most of it is from the great vault). The raid does not have a lot of leather without mastery on it this season.

I prioritized sin and sub this season, so i wasn't gonna grab verse haste gear out of the vault

Just is what it is

[grim jay]

I mean yeah, you will lack behind in ilvl slightly, but that shouldnt be a surprise nor is it bad

[foggy thicket]

Guys, for raid, Should I go with Empowering Crystal of Anub'ikkaj (Dawnbreaker trinket), Spyglass or Sacbrood?

[grim jay]

You can still competitively play OL tho

Some pieces are locked in either way on high ilvl

[grim jay]

Whatever sims higher for you

[solar wyvern]

Fortunately most of the tier is yeah. Pants and rings are my main grievance

Probably gonna have to craft pants at this rate

[balmy prism]

our OL plays with like 10% haste and still parses 98-99 so

[foggy thicket]

Sacbrood sims higher, but I'm seeing many people saying that he isn't good

[grim jay]

Many people are clueless

[solar wyvern]

Yeah i suppose i could play HO. Beggars can't be choosers

Sacbrood is like a top 3 trinket haha

[balmy prism]

who are these many peoole

people

[grim jay]

Isnt HO more fun anyways

[solar wyvern]

No

Hella disagree

[grim jay]

Idk just saying what I picked up

I rarely touch outlaw

[solar wyvern]

Getting 6 buffs is dopamine receptors go brrrr

For KiR

[sick garnet]

KiR is goated

[solar wyvern]

Also ambush has a stinky noise

Sinister strike sounds crispy

Freal freal

[sudden sigil]

If running improved garrot / ss do I Ever open with garrot from stealth or do I Always use ambush and then garrot?

[solar wyvern]

In raid? Always ambush for mark. In keys? If you have DN up garrote is fine

[sudden sigil]

Got it, and if i dont run improved garrot I guess there is no reason to use from stealth? Or is it buffed from stealth

[humble verge]

i have the habit of just ambushing

[sudden sigil]

Aye same

And then i realised “fuck am I gimping my dmg”

[humble verge]

eh not really

gives you CT anyways

[sudden sigil]

Ct?

[subtle tundra]

i like starting with ambush

many times i cancel darkest night

idk and idc if its better or worse

i do what i like

😎

[golden loom]

I inted away my mark on queen today so played without it on platforms, then on p3 queen I vanish garroted instead of ambush

[sudden sigil]

Hahahahahaha absolute chad

If Anyone is bored and loves going through logs I would love Input on how to i prøve lol

Improve

[glacial stump]

Just post it

[sudden sigil]

Ima be flamed for being bad lets go

[glacial stump]

Nah we won't

If anything people just wont respond xD

[west crown]

Still want to garrote from stealth regardless

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smile-funny-gif-25516326

[sudden sigil]

Not ambush into garrot?
Does my garrot not gain bemefit for 6 secs? Where as not sending an ambush?

[sudden sigil]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/tarren-mill/Abbastab

[west crown]

With DN up garrote is fine

Ambushing is also fine if your muscle memory works

[subtle tundra]

buddy

looking at ulgrax

you didnt start with ambush

you didnt get yo fucking mark

[sudden sigil]

What

[sudden sigil]

Are you shitting me?

What fucking crack did I smile

Smoke

[sudden sigil]

DN?

[grim jay]

Deez nuts

[subtle tundra]

you also didnt get envenom buff before doing your cds

you did rupture rupture

[sudden sigil]

Well now I get why I did fuvk all

Actually happy I miss played so absurdly shiy

[subtle tundra]

you seem to not envenom before kb

this is just

so wrong

[quartz trellis]

Is it shiv > envenom > CDs?

[rotund oak]

no its not

If u have 2 stacks on shiv its : envenom buff active=>shiv=>kb(cds)==>reshiv last 6-8sec of kb to cover all the KB duration

else(if u have only 1 shiv) u just shiv the last 8 seconds of KB

[quartz trellis]

Cheers

[rotund oak]

u r welcome fam 🙂

[sudden sigil]

Lovely !!
Great input so får 😄

[rotund oak]

U have to know WHY we do that though

its not only copy paste the pattern

[sudden sigil]

Nope

Its to amp smg

Dmg

Of kb

[rotund oak]

not rly

the reason we want to shiv on top of envenom buff is because KB stacks ramp faster

aside the dmg amp that is

its 50 poison stacks that mostly come from autos

[sudden sigil]

Ah yeah

[rotund oak]

remember to revisit the guide boys,its never to late to remember or fix something u do wrong

[left abyss]

on big pulls like first pull in NW, how long are you supposed to be applying bleeds for ?

idk if its worth spending too long on it or just getting the splatter going

[sudden sigil]

Already there 😂

[subtle tundra]

2 ruptures

ct

then slam

[oak tangle]

attempted my first 12, timed it, but learnt i do no fuckin damage

[left abyss]

ok cool so your just spending enough to get the 20% agi from rupture

what about garrote since it generates a decent amount of CP

obv apply mark / splatter first tho

[sudden sigil]

Are there any consitions before sending mark?

Conditions

[oak tangle]

Death mark? Normally you’d have envenom up and your dots

[fickle quest]

does anyone have casualaddict's DSM weakaura. The one that puts a purple line at the center of his screen like fth would on outlaw.

[mellow goblet]

Mh so it's the 3rd time i die on necrotic 1st boss on heaving retch ( nature dmg cone ) while in cloak, someone has an idea why?

[spice oak]

evasion works on heaving retch

[fickle quest]

u gotta evasion

otherwise feint

[mellow goblet]

Oh really, damn i need a list of spell that works under evasion i barely use it

[fickle quest]

if you're playing elusiveness you use it for everything

[spice oak]

elusiveness is giga strong I would recommend it

[mellow goblet]

yeah but i mean compared to cloak, i trust it way less, im scared to use it and die anyway on big abilities

[spice oak]

Cloak dosent give any DR so if you use it on the wrong thing you die anyway

Need to know when to use which really

and if in doubt then just evasion & feint

[fickle quest]

take the hero talent as well that provides 20% magic dr on evasion

[golden loom]

You can cloak it if u cloak at 1 second, but better to dodge with evasion right

[arctic socket]

W

[mellow goblet]

yeah ok i guess it makes sense, it just i always cloaked it and it worked, and for 2days i cant cloak it anymore, get one shotted, but might be while i stand in " fetid gas " just red it prevent spell casting

[loud hearth]

Cloak at last second before the hit for the cloak "strong immunity" to work

[mellow goblet]

okay, well ill keep that in mind thanks all

[solar wyvern]

FoK fills your combo points. Just do the one garrote in opener and send fok envenoms.

Ig if you get insanely unlucky and get 4cp off of fok, garrote is okay

Theres so much trash that caustic and CT are putting out most of your damage on that pull

[quartz trellis]

Is there a number where you should use FoK over Muti, is it 2 or 3?

Mobs that is

[solar wyvern]

Spreading garrotes/ruptures as mobs gather is good too

Iirc 3+ but that could be changed. Since I last checked

[grim jay]

If there were a site with that info

[quartz trellis]

Imagine

[grim jay]

Dang

[solar wyvern]

Rest in peace the vanishable mechanic spreadsheet from DF season 1

[grim jay]

There is a spreadsheet

Tho

[solar wyvern]

Oh it still lives?

[grim jay]

No

[solar wyvern]

It wasn't updated last I checked

[grim jay]

#wow-general message

[spice surge]

Its 2 for deathstalker

RE: Fok vs mut

[loud hearth]

Rest in peace text guide written in discord

[solar wyvern]

Oh that is hype

[quartz trellis]

Thanks

[spice surge]

Not exactly a spreadsheet like that, but the m+ section of icy veins sub guide has a bunch of tips on what feint/vanish works on per dungeon

[ornate wagon]

does the darkmoon sigil;Ascesion count as a embelishisment please?

[blazing warren]

Hey guys

I have a some questions

It is said to use Shiv on the last 8 sconds of Kingsbane if you only have 1 Shiv right?

[solar wyvern]

Yes

[solar wyvern]

Yes

[ornate wagon]

thanks mate is it better to put 2 dawn thread lining?

[solar wyvern]

2dawn m+, ascend+patch raid. But its most certainly not a big difference

Embellishments pretty weak this xpac

[shy axle]

do you use vanish to buff kb with subterfuge for the whole duration instead of 6 seconds?

[ornate wagon]

dawn not be put on weapons mate?

[balmy prism]

ya'll playing the wrong game leagues 5 is out nerds

[solar wyvern]

Correct, threads can only go on leather.

[ornate wagon]

legend thnx mate

[blazing warren]

What is Rogue GCD, is it base 1s with nothing able to change it like Haste etc?

[winter quest]

It changes based off haste, just like every other class

[blazing warren]

I thought Rogue GCD doesnt scale with Haste due to it being base 1s?

Thank you

[rotund oak]

@balmy condor sry for the tag,can we clarify this haste ''affecting'' gcd

[midnight mist]

rogue gcd is fixed at 1

well

energy specs in general

so no haste does nothing @winter quest @blazing warren

[winter quest]

Ahh okay

[midnight mist]

every other class have a base gcd of 1.5 instead of 1

only monk and rogue are energy based so 1

i dont think there is any other idk

[rotund oak]

i suppose the frenchie cleared it for u but plz dont spread stuff like that,or ask if u arent 100% certain 🙂

no offense or anything

[outer stump]

question, with forced induction in ST, do we go to 4cp for DN or do we finish at 7 for big crit

[rotund oak]

im 95% sure we go max cp to proc DN,even with FI

im keeping the 5% for the benefit of the doubt

[outer stump]

and outside of proccing dn, wed just finish at 2 yea?

to rush dns

[rotund oak]

we finish always on 5+

FI just buffs those finishers as if..

the routine doesnt change iirc

[outer stump]

ah cool, tyty

[rotund oak]

also 95% on that as well

[limber lion]

Nothing to clear about it

It's permanently 1 and not changing

Idk why you need Whispyr for it when a quick 5s google search does it for ya

Man loves to tag him

[rotund oak]

ik.. i just wanted the big boi to kill it once and for all

[winter quest]

Thing is I was 100% certain, still was wrong tho xD

[winged gust]

yo is subtely rogue better compared to assa in mythic keys?

[rotund oak]

well that was a false assumption though.. when im 100% certain for something,ik it is what it is.I just tagged the man because he has more credibility than someone who just plays rogue for 20 years

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[midnight mist]

weirdo

[rotund oak]

better ST than sin for sure,prolly loses on ''aoe''

[winter quest]

I'm not saying it wasn't a false assumption, I agreed with you there. I'm just saying you can still be 100% certain about something and still be wrong.

[winged gust]

its kinda crazy to think some people have played rogue for longer than ive been alive

[winged gust]

cool ty

[rotund oak]

i think we understand 100% certainty over something very different but whatever 🙂

[rotund oak]

u are welcome friend 🙂

[runic hinge]

Feral Druid

[midnight mist]

ahg ye

[runic hinge]

[muted thorn]

I never raid so I think I'm going double crafted weapon, if so which embelishments should I go for?

[ornate wagon]

has anyone made a weakaura to help with what can be cloaked all different debuffs and mechs ect pls i see old ones but no recent ones?ty

[winged gust]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[muted thorn]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[coral ibex]

why? your OH basically doesn't matter

it can be a 619 hero track dagger for a long time

spending crests to craft an offhand is a waste compared to most other slots

ig if you have free runed its fine

[muted thorn]

Oh okay, so I go for MH craft and then double duskweave on wrists/belt?

[runic hinge]

Never raiding probably means dawn thread

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[coral ibex]

yea craft a 636 MH and then go with dawnthread embelli

ascension is based on time in combat which is always gonna be longer in raid vs m+

[muted thorn]

ahh okay perfect, thank for the insight.

[coral ibex]

[exotic apex]

should i go skardyns?

[coral ibex]

if its the biggest upgrade probably

but you can get hero track skardyn from m+

like a natty drop

[exotic apex]

simming rn, just waiting for it to populate

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dTuLwRXxhiPzhoFMovPcqM

21k dps upgrade for skardyns

[blazing warren]

I cant believe it took me so long to figure out that you can just chain Darkest Night proc on Skarmorak shards

Makes it so much easier to deal with them

[humble verge]

hmmm is mana oil preferred over whetstone?

[humble verge]

dont make him do it 😭

[static glacier]

You can sim it

[ornate wagon]

yo do i need to keybind tricks or just have this macro on tricks and have the tank targeted pls?ty

[humble verge]

cant sim both at the same time tho D:

[static glacier]

Check fuu’s sim strings for consumables

[static glacier]

You sure?

[humble verge]

maybe im stupid

[static glacier]

You gota use advanced sim

Enter the string

[humble verge]

yeah but im like

not advanced fr fr

[dry dagger]

I hate my guild

[unreal dagger]

Is there a reason like all of the top rogues dont use Iron Wire and Sudden Demise (for M+)

[dry dagger]

I try organising raids for us, just casual clearing 4/8 Mythic, and people can't even be bothered to react to a post on Discord to say if they'll come or not

[humble verge]

are you sure they arent?

[dry dagger]

Time to find someone to organise raids for me

[humble verge]

atleast IW

[exotic apex]

lol, i picked skardyns

[unreal dagger]

8 and 10 out of 50 use those

the vast majority seem to be using Twist the Knife and Sanguine Blades instead

[humble verge]

whatte

where is this from

[unreal dagger]

murlok.io

I mean it could very well just be bc most have augs so you dont need iron wire as much and pugging it will be MUCH better etc

[humble verge]

i can see at the top where having some extra damage from the extra energy you generate in big pulls to use SB

[unreal dagger]

but I'm just curious why they dont use Sudden Demise bc it does bonkers damage

[humble verge]

yeah you dont wanna go into a pug without IW

[fresh kelp]

It will do less and less as key level goes up

[unreal dagger]

ahh k those are the answers then

[humble verge]

as Ryldd said

[unreal dagger]

got it

[humble verge]

cause

[unreal dagger]

that makes a lot of sense I was just curious

[humble verge]

you'd want SD to do damage from your improved garrotes

but at a 14

that wont ever happen

[fresh kelp]

Also murlok will sometimes pull data from people who swapped to raid build

Certainly 11 of those are not dropping IC in keys

That would be crazy

[static glacier]

Sudden demise isn’t insane value if mobs live forever and TTK is better st compared to it, iron wire is them having planned stops that don’t need the rogue to silence

Don’t drop iron wire in your pugs, please

[unreal dagger]

I wasn't going to

it's insanely good

just curious why basically none of the top 50 were using

but if you have aug it makes a lot more sense

[static glacier]

A few days back I lost it when a rogue dropped it, and flamed the 600 ilvl tank in a 10

[unreal dagger]

aug + prot paly

= lol

[static glacier]

Tank getting deleted 24/7 and we’re struggling for drops, rogue has barely any kicks then yaps about being chain minded when he spec’d out of iron wire

[unreal dagger]

but it seems it might be worth swapping SD for TTK in 10+

when mobs live longer

[static glacier]

I’d say even higher

Don’t forget that SD gives 10% bleed dmg

[unreal dagger]

ahh yeah good ponit

[static glacier]

It falls off when stuff starts living so long that bleeds fall off

[unreal dagger]

which is never in 10s

if your group doesnt suck

[static glacier]

Ye

I’d say closer to like 14s

[unreal dagger]

alright lads thank you for the help ❤️

[drowsy hollow]

is rupture not having any sound effects a bug in general, or just dracthyr? It's not consistent either.

[gloomy heart]

i don’t play with sound on

[runic hinge]

i think just dracthyr, I read something the other day about other classes for that race not having sound effects

[drowsy hollow]

it's inconsistent haha

[gloomy heart]

game sound off music up!

that’s the strat

[short night]

LETS GOOO

SPEED TOO?

thats fucking electric

[novel star]

try setting up wowaudit and the discord bot for it instead of doing reactions or w/e manually

might help

alternatively just like punish people for being lazy about it lol

make an example out of someone and the rest will learn

[dry dagger]

Cba, we're too casual to do that, have to pug half the raid anyways

[novel star]

ah ok nvm if ur half pugging its just cooked

[dry dagger]

We're in the stupid position of being good enough for Mythic, but not enough numbers

[novel star]

recruiting this late into a patch is giga omega fucked

[dry dagger]

Yeah and we're all Norwegian

[keen spruce]

I've been in a few guilds that were in a similar spot

it's super annoying

[novel star]

wait until like the last few weeks andt hen go rly hard on recruiting

/ first few weeks of next patch

[keen spruce]

like good enough to get a pretty early AOTC

[novel star]

and youll have much better chances

[keen spruce]

then people some people don't wanna touch mythic

some people do

never enough people

[novel star]

i feel like

[keen spruce]

[novel star]

mythic raiding has this insane stigma around it for like no reason

shit made me not touch it until this tier and then i jump in and its just like. nothing?

you just play the game and fight the bosses

and its fun

[keen spruce]

yeah if you can like.. do your rotation

and follow basic directions

the first 4 of most raid tiers

are pretty accessible

[novel star]

literally myth rashanan is easier than hc queen

by a lot

idk

[keen spruce]

especially once you get gear

[dry dagger]

We got AOTC on the 13th of October, pretty early for a non-organised guild

The biggest hurdle of Mythic is the numbers

On a good night we pull 13-15 people

Average is around 8-12 I'd say

[novel star]

yea

[dry dagger]

But HC has nothing for us anymore

And Mythic requires us to pug or recruit, and I'm done recruiting and actually organising a proper raid team

Done that in the past, took way too much time

[rotund oak]

merge with another guild

[coral ibex]

sounds like you should find a new guild if you're set on mythic prog

yea or merge

[rotund oak]

let them do the hard work

[dry dagger]

Gotta find another Norwegian guild then

[dry dagger]

Yeah that's what I'm trying to do

[rotund oak]

Norway 😍

[dry dagger]

Bring back 10man raiding pls

[rotund oak]

most beautiful women universe

[dry dagger]

I'd say Sweden wins that prize tbh

[rotund oak]

not even close.

blondies

[inner haven]

Lets say scandinavia and call it quits

[rotund oak]

ill pass

[dry dagger]

Why bring Denmark into this?

[inner haven]

Good point

[indigo ginkgo]

its time for mitic flex ! or same point of flex, like 20 and 15 man , late in the game every time we lost players a stop mitic raiding for not having players that wont to do mitic

[wispy epoch]

Most beautiful women are where the Middle East and Europe touch

So like Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan etc

[dry dagger]

Tuning for Mythic flex would be whack

[keen spruce]

as an american I love the scaninavian rivalries

[wispy epoch]

Eastern European rivalries are funnier imo

[dry dagger]

More violent you mean

[wispy epoch]

Yeah, but add Turkey into the mix

🇹🇷 that turkey

[keen spruce]

My greek friend always has strong words about turkey

[wispy epoch]

As is tradition

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-mandalorian-i-have-spoken-baby-yoda-gif-24159898

[runic hinge]

gone off that turkey

[gilded wolf]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[gilded wolf]

Hmm I was looking for kingsbane vanish

[shy creek]

Whadya wanna vanish with kingsbane for

[subtle tundra]

you vanish in the last 6+(nr of subterfuge points * 3) seconds

[ornate wagon]

yo mate how do i get this macro to work pls i take it the left button is meaning left mouse button yeah?

[spice surge]

No, you literally just press the macro

And the WA does it for you

If you dont get the WA to work, check the troubleshooting tips on the wago page

[arctic tusk]

how does that wa work in raid

[ornate wagon]

o theres a weakaura to go with it? i didnt know that is there a lik to the aura pls mate?

[spice surge]

Its the post

You literally qouted it

[arctic tusk]

[ornate wagon]

ty 🙂

[ornate wagon]

defo time for glasses for me i think lol ;[

[keen spruce]

just download WA

copy the macro from the wago page

that macro replaces your tricks button

make sure you change the macro from "misdirection" to "tricks of the trade"

wait nvm the command has the right macro

[gloomy hinge]

is there a weakaura for splice on last boss CoT? im struggling with prefeints

[wild thorn]

how do you read logs

[blazing pumice]

you don't need a wa

set bigwigs up properly

or dbm

[novel star]

you can just make a countdown with bigwigs

[gloomy hinge]

i have one of those

i have very bad peripheral vision

[blazing pumice]

put a big fat alarm and a countdown when it's being cast

[gloomy hinge]

is my issue

[novel star]

yeah

thats why you make a countdown

[gloomy hinge]

Alarm and shit yeah

[novel star]

these are not things that require a weakaura lol

[gloomy hinge]

ah i see

[novel star]

you can make bigwigs play tts and sounds at you

for specific casts

[gloomy hinge]

It hurts alot in a 14

I will fiddle a bit with bigwigs then

[novel star]

go to boss settings -> dungeon bosses or whatever

[blazing pumice]

idk there's probably a dungeon pack for it

but i don't like WA bloat

[novel star]

cot last boss

click splice

make it a countdown

and you get like a 54321 tts

[keen spruce]

splice doesn't have like a high application damage does it?

worst case you miss like one tick right

[gloomy hinge]

it hurts like a BIIIIIITCH

[novel star]

its a pretty short dot

each tick is big

iirc

[gloomy hinge]

lasts 6 sec or so yeah

2.2m each tick

[keen spruce]

yeah I know the dot trucks just that it's not like seige last boss or something

where it clobbers you on application

[gloomy hinge]

oh god siege

dot

2 ticks death

even through prefeint

[keen spruce]

but yeah littlewigs reminder

make a custom sound

that you only use for splice

[gloomy hinge]

put an airhorn on bigwigs now

for specifically splice

good tip

[keen spruce]

until u get used to it ye

[gloomy hinge]

yeahh

[keen spruce]

seige last boss just one shots you at 16

[gloomy hinge]

I need to see if i can improve my peripheral vision somehow haha

[gloomy hinge]

💀

How tf does a rogue live that

just stack vers or what hahaha

[stray adder]

brez on cd

[keen spruce]

i think with more gear you live with feint

at least hte application

but on 15

i got picked like 74 times

and eventually we just said fk it let em have me

don't waste globals

and rez me

lmao

[gloomy hinge]

yeah makes sense

[stray adder]

cringe boss

wont be missed

[keen spruce]

I actually don't mind seige in general anymore

but that mechanic big stinky

[stray adder]

its just the last boss for me

[keen spruce]

should just cut down the application damage and make the dot tick a bit harder

maybe shorter duration

[stray adder]

yeah fr

a bit late for that though

[keen spruce]

so healer can dispell one

[stray adder]

lol

[keen spruce]

and just let one run out

well yeah

just the world we live in

it would have been a better mechanic if it hit like

more people

but did way less

and it was more about spreading properly

then layer in some dispells

instead of just like jesus take the wheel and hope it hits someone that has a defensive

[fresh kelp]

being dwarf makes that fight much easier

[gloomy heart]

fun

[fresh kelp]

between sets where you get dispelled since tank got it + rotating dwarf and cloak is not super often you have to sit the dot

[soft shale]

yea last boss of siege you can do some silly things

as deathstalker you have a bit more of a leeway because the elu evasion is quite strong vs it

[static glacier]

can you cloak abyssal conduit in queen p3?

[soft shale]

and normal feint+`enough vers should survive

[velvet herald]

Hey guys, once I have rupture and garrot on a target, should I tab and put these on another target?

[normal mist]

There's only positive things from doing that

Hopefuly you don't mean in M+ right?

[velvet herald]

yes, sorry M+

its my second week on assa, and I still dont understand well the rotation, still doing 5s

[normal mist]

Read your talents then, you'll learn a LOT why you should have multiple targets dotted with rupture

And read the guide

[runic hinge]

READ?!!!!

YOU'RE ASKING ME TO READ!?

I came here to pump, not read

[coral ibex]

your bleeds cleave from stealth

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[coral ibex]

if you’re doing m+ and don’t have this talent you are wrong

[velvet herald]

yes, I am using it, I aplly garrot from stealth, but only 3 targets are affected by my bleeds, should I aplly more?

[runic hinge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[runic hinge]

Start there

[rotund oak]

ez blast

[silver wyvern]

do we use ambush in opener after vanish or keep using mutlate

[royal lantern]

GUYS

I HATE COURT

THANKS FOR LISTENING

[pure moth]

How far in are you

[hasty spade]

why u have mutilate on stealthbar even?

[rotund oak]

we are always here for u fam

[royal lantern]

~halfway trought p2

[hasty spade]

Just use ambush if u got stealth/sub up if ur not using finshers or fan

[royal lantern]

but still mostly p1 wipes

[silver wyvern]

but wierd thing is it reset the DM

[rotund oak]

there are so many wrongs in this sentence it actually gave me a headacke

[silver wyvern]

like what

[rotund oak]

are u spec'd deathstalker?

[silver wyvern]

yea ofc

[rotund oak]

are u talking while DN proc is active?

[silver wyvern]

darkest night procs reset if we use ambush after vanish

[coral ibex]

yes you can just press ambush instead of mutilate

it’s fine

[silver wyvern]

i am wondering should i use ambush after vanish in my opener or keep mutilate

[coral ibex]

the difference is less than the marginal of error on a sim

[silver wyvern]

airight

[hasty spade]

If the choice is between Ambush and mutilate you always ambush.

[rotund oak]

DN procs dont reset,u are wrong.If u ambush while DN is active u apply the mark and still have the buff

[hasty spade]

out of stealth your mutilate turns into ambuish if you got the 15% on muti use lets u use ambush out of stealth.

[silver wyvern]

but if it has 1 dn mark it goes up to 3 after the vanish-ambush

[hasty spade]

in steath u should not have mutilate on the bar, just use ambush, bleeeds, aoe or finishers depending on situation

[rotund oak]

bro u said DN procs reset if we ambush?Do u underfstand what this implies?

anyway

if u have a mark active u skip ambush,apply ur bleeds,u want 5 scent stacks.When u are done u can press mutilate to apply spatter and send cds

[silver wyvern]

We have darkest proc right. After 3 envenoms it gave you the %60 buff. What i asked is if you use vanish-ambush while you have anything less than 3 count it reset itself to the 3

so you have to do 3 more envenom to be able to get proc

[rotund oak]

yes but why would u vanish ambush?whats the reason since the mark is active?

[silver wyvern]

because we are in the opener and want that juicy garrote and master assasin ?

[rotund oak]

u wanna activate DN and then do whatever,this should be considered a misplay.Its just dps los coz u just throw a DN proc

[nova python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[silver wyvern]

am i missing something big aren't we use vanish in cooldowns anymore ?

[rotund oak]

if u are in the ''opener'' and lets say u are in a situation like 1st pull NW u can just skip ambush while u apply ur bleeds,then vanish to garx2 into ct into ambush and send cds from there.If thats what u consider as a situation coz at this point u are just confusing

[silver wyvern]

i am asking after this vanish are we using ambush or not

because it uses in sims

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hasty spade]

dont think it resets if its u got sub and use ambush in sub instead of stealth, just garrote first ( m+ spec) otherwise i'm not sure, guess u just garrote/rupture/envenom and get put out of stealth

[gilded wolf]

How far behind is fatebound when not min/maxing coin flips?

[rotund oak]

the guide is very clear about the mark management.U should either have the mark active on ur target or DN proc on u.It literally says that u vanish ==> gar IF u are talented into imp gar else u just press gar.

[gloomy hinge]

where can i ask a question about bigwigs sound stuff?

[rotund oak]

So FYI u press vanish garrote for imp garrote or u press garrote to just refresh it

[rotund oak]

#wow-general i think

[gloomy hinge]

ty

[rotund oak]

u r welcome friend 🙂

[slow marsh]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[slow marsh]

Afaik it's still bugged and doesn't refresh to 3

[scarlet wyvern]

does someone know which option to choose when simming for Ovinax?

ST, DSlice or?

[cyan karma]

I feel like being aware of this bug has made me play the spec better… almost never run into it, meaning I use DN every time, which is what you want right?

[slow marsh]

Yeah you don't want to bother with vanish ambush

[muted thorn]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[slow marsh]

As far as I understand it you vanish for MA at the end of KB + DM and it should happen to line up with reapplying imp gar

[muted thorn]

Why do we Thistle Tea after Shiv here? Isn't it better to Tea first?

[spice surge]

It doesnt really matter

[muted thorn]

ahh okay

[obtuse phoenix]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[livid turtle]

whats the tech for Myth Ansurek P1 webs? Vanish 1st / Cloak 2nd / whats the plan for the 3rd?

[echo island]

swap to gnome, never worry about anything anymore

You could also just use nothing on the first set, everyone is pumping then anyway, so your web will die quickly

[novel star]

gnome or feint and cope

[delicate coral]

Hey, i have a questoin about when to use FoK in the opener.
I saw on the Icyvains guide 2 things.
-1 use it after Darkest night is triggerd.
-2 use it after reaplying deathstalkers mark.

Still a little confused about this

[novel star]

these are the same thing

triggering darkest night reapplies the mark

[rose dirge]

i feel complete now

[novel star]

but 2 is the correct one technically

since you could have a situation where dn and mark are up at the same time if you’re either playing subterfuge or just did a bad ambush

and i don’t think you get ctw for that

[delicate coral]

Right ok that makes sence then first time playing this expension so stil learing what the hero talents all do

[novel star]

you can also just ignore it if you want

fok st is worth like 0.3% dps or something

[torn mist]

why 15% haste ?

[delicate coral]

Haha no i want to min max

[novel star]

i would recommend simply tracking it with a wa

in that case

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

les collection has a standalone one

[delicate coral]

Ty yeah using the afenar wa set tracks it realy nicely just need to know all the theorie behind it ty for the help this communie is awesome

[novel star]

rogue discord good

best class disc

[delicate coral]

For sure

[spice spire]

Ty :worldofwarcraft:

[novel star]

[slate crown]

[rose dirge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gMqZXXegfKb5kPFUPt24bF sims higher

only thing i could change for less haste

[novel star]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[novel star]

[cobalt sphinx]

[sharp viper]

nice rank 2 bracer enchant and heroic ring

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iRfOgOhmRiEn9a-CL?invite=cr-MSxISjUsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA this clip is so fucking funny

few weeks old but damn

when u get a french tank

[cerulean maple]

yall this is gna be a dumbass question but how tf do I get a 95-99% ilvl parse? I have endless 90-93%s but even on pulls where literally everything goes right i still dont make it higher

[exotic apex]

PI

externals

[cerulean maple]

obviously some extreme examples have ppl dumping cds into ulgrax ads or wahtever for padding but besides that

[cerulean maple]

externals?

[exotic apex]

potions, aug evoker, PI, Lust

kill times

[cerulean maple]

ah like raid buffs

and stuff

true

[exotic apex]

yeah, itll be everything

[cobalt sphinx]

It’s a bit of everything

Kill times, raid buffs, gear, consumables, cheese, and playing well

[west crown]

These to not contribute to parses

Aug and PI

[cobalt sphinx]

PI does, doesn’t it?

And aug might still even though it’s supposed to be removed

[spice surge]

PI does

Aug is mostly correct, only a couple of spells are incorrectly attributing

[cobalt sphinx]

They do some funny hack to remove aug but I’m fairly certain you can’t remove it entirely

[spice surge]

Dont think theres any for rogues left

You can

[cobalt sphinx]

Don’t they give crit?

[spice surge]

Blizz just havent done it on all spells

[icy nacelle]

holy pala blessing on top for 100% :3

[novel star]

don’t rly look at ilvl parses tbh

they’re a joke

useless statistic

[vocal cradle]

do yall know how to separate the nameplates a bit more in plater for massive pulls? i have stacking nameplates set

yet somehow shit i need to kick is covered by bullshit lol

[earnest remnant]

nah not really, all you can really do is focus it and use focus kick for it

[vocal cradle]

word

[civic trellis]

there was a cvar to control the speedmotion of nameplates

but was in SL and idk if it still works

[vocal cradle]

can you provide a little more detail about it so i can google it?

[civic trellis]

was this one iirc

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Console_variables

Be careful when modying cvars tho

[vocal cradle]

will do, thanks!

[civic trellis]

https://addons.wago.io/addons/cvarsbackup you can use this to make a backup before messing with them

[median cosmos]

can also try https://wago.io/L7KPSDPMK

[misty moat]

hello , i have a potentially dumb question. I see on the rogue spreadsheet that outlaw does mroe dmg by id a say a siginficant margin over assass. but the top rogues seem to be almsost all assass players for m+ and raid so should i be playing assass and what is makign them play assass over outlaw?

[coral ibex]

you can’t compare sims of different specs

[misty moat]

the rogue spreadsheet does tho?

[icy acorn]

outlaw sims are close to 100% uptime, which outlaw profits alot from

[royal lantern]

it shows the numbers, it doesnt compare them

[misty moat]

maybe i dont follow.. wouldnt 200k difference still make outlaw the better option?

[royal lantern]

comparing sim numbers bettwen specs, copypasting builds from wowlogs/r.io without context and playing Outlaw rogue are the 3 biggest mistakes you can do in wow

not really

outlaw tends to be mid most of the time outside of m+

wow heavy favors burst dmg patterns

outlaw has negative burst

[earnest remnant]

its just consistently bursting

But to kinda explain it sim numbers does not translate into actual ingame performance, it never has and it never will

[ornate wagon]

Guys is there a weakaura that helps to say when to use cloak for certain debuffs or mechs I see some old weakauras but no recent ones? Ty

[earnest remnant]

there are too many variables inside the actual game for a sim to ever being able recreate it

[misty moat]

so. if i can get 95 parse on outlaw would would thta make the 200k difference matter? or ur saying that the 200k idfference is uncommon even during near pefect play

[royal lantern]

parses are spec based mate

there is no 200k difference

[earnest remnant]

if you had a boss stand still for 5min and you not pressing 1 singular global wrong

[royal lantern]

thats sim numbers

[earnest remnant]

then yes outlaw would win

[royal lantern]

not real numbers

you use sims to find out gear upgrades and talent changes

you dont compare sim results bettwen specs

thats not usefull information

[earnest remnant]

its a tool for best optimizing a spec

find ways to better the gameplay and to help with gearing

[royal lantern]

Outlaw is 1 of the highest simming specs since always

[misty moat]

that doesnt make sense to me. the sheet shows that in a perfect situation that outlaw would out dmg assass/

[royal lantern]

outlaw also saw 0 world first kills since it exists iirc

[earnest remnant]

and when do you get a perfect situation ingame?

[misty moat]

i play outlaw very well

[earnest remnant]

with 100% uptime

0 wrong globals

the answer is never

[icy acorn]

prodigy

[misty moat]

im not trying to upset anyoen im jsut tying to udnerstand

[royal lantern]

do you play the spec well, and also have a 5min fight with 100% uptime and literally 0 gameplay mistakes at all, while also doing fight mechanics?

[earnest remnant]

aint nobody upset at you dw

[royal lantern]

cus thats a sim

[cobalt sphinx]

You’d think with good rng and near perfect play, you could be above the average sim

[icy acorn]

yeah dw.
its just that you cant compare sims between specs/classes and say x is better than y

[misty moat]

real talk i lowkey feel like i do but maybe i misunderstand what u mean by 100% uptime. my understanding is thta means im always on boss attacking at all time

[royal lantern]

look at Tindral during Amidrasill

outlaw simed high ye, it was borderline unplayable on tindral aswell

[icy acorn]

the best way to compare would be to look at actual numbers from logs on warcraftlogs

[royal lantern]

sim numbers just dint translate into current performance

[icy acorn]

outlaw loses more dmg compared to assa when having downtime for any reason (like having to play a mechanic and having to walk away from the boss in the meantime)

[earnest remnant]

its a damage profile thing

[royal lantern]

^